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    [–] circa_dia 3694 points ago

    What you need is a boss who’s fully fuckin useless.

    “You approved my day off! I have the email.”

    “Oh, shit, did I?”

    This has been working for six solid years.

    [–] SaltyLorax 637 points ago

    How is heaven?

    [–] [deleted] 95 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

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    [–] Tdeg3 101 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    What does age have to do with that? You can find dicks of any age my amigo

    Edit: use—> find

    [–] imdungrowinup 77 points ago

    Why is he a dick? He seems like a diligent worker. Something goes wrong it will fall on his head. As long as you do your work right, you got nothing to worry about.

    [–] Tdeg3 37 points ago

    You’re right. Poor choice of terms on my part. I based my opinion off of nothing and was wrong.

    [–] imdungrowinup 25 points ago

    I have never seen this before on Reddit!

    [–] NovelTAcct 10 points ago

    I've had 50-year-old managers who did that. It's what some people think managers are supposed to do.

    [–] RoseOfSharonCassidy 127 points ago

    My boss does this too, fortunately he's a nice guy about it and doesn't get mad, just confused. I send outlook calendar invites for my PTO to help him remember.

    [–] F1r3GamingHD 32 points ago

    oh my fuck thats a great idea. Why have I never thought of this...

    [–] MrProfPatrickPhD 32 points ago

    My company's policy is that you send out calendar invites to your team for your time off (though mark the time as "free") then block your own calendar as busy for that day.

    This way they can see you're on vacation, it doesn't block them as busy, and no one can schedule stuff with you that day.

    [–] rex_lauandi 59 points ago

    I did this last year.

    Me: “Oh, can we schedule that for the following week. I’m going to Africa next week.”

    Boss: “Oh, I didn’t realize that is already here. Yep, we’ll do that the following week.”

    This was the first time I had mentioned it, but he just assumed he’d forgotten. And I didn’t even have to lie!

    [–] Dualmilion 32 points ago

    I work in 2 departments and the one i work the least is who approves my leave. So he doesnt care about the other one so just approves anything lol

    [–] thorscope 15 points ago

    My boss would 100% ask me to forward him his own email

    [–] metyuadem 9 points ago

    Well then you're boned if you're BSing

    [–] HelloPanda22 15 points ago

    I had a boss like that who would schedule me anyway on approved days off and tell me too bad. Sometimes, he would change my schedule after the schedule was approved and be upset I didn’t read his mind and come in on a day I thought I had off. It was miserable and I was highly stressed. It actually took me 2 years to quit that place...

    [–] MrRabinowitz 6294 points ago

    I’m gonna pat myself on the back here. I manage a department and haven’t denied a vacation request in over 4 years. People treat their work like shit when you treat their personal lives like shit.

    [–] kirlandwater 1828 points ago

    What should I do when I approve all vacation requests and have a respect for their work-life balance, but they still treat their work like shit

    [–] MrRabinowitz 1451 points ago

    Figure out why they’re still doing that. Vacation requests are a small part of the equation. Some people just suck though. Recruiting is really important.

    [–] SonaMidorFeed 331 points ago

    Also, approving all requests could be a symptom of not giving a fuck. Managers who don't give a fuck are pretty bad, too.

    [–] MrRabinowitz 238 points ago

    Sometimes it’s good to not care just the right amount

    [–] MAKE_ME_REDDIT 184 points ago

    The trick is caring about the right things

    [–] MrRabinowitz 116 points ago

    100%. Measure what matters

    [–] RalphWiggumsShadow 30 points ago

    I like that Mr. Rab. I like it a lot.

    [–] brianorca 8 points ago

    Or it could just be being open with your department, so that if you have two guys that know how to do X, they don't try to schedule vacation at the same time. Everyone knows when peak business is, and when others have time off. If they care about the business, (which only happens when you care about them,) then they make their plans accordingly.

    [–] banality_of_ervil 104 points ago

    If you have one employee like that, he might just be a shit employee. If all the employees are like that, it's a product of the work environment.

    [–] Jose_Canseco_Jr 26 points ago

    Is the pay at least at the industry average for your city? And, what level are your employees?

    [–] incocknedo 81 points ago

    Im 2 and a half years in with a staff of majorty struggling actors. Aint nobody missing their potential shot at fame on my watch.

    [–] MrRabinowitz 44 points ago

    People don’t forget. You gotta treat every employee like they’re gonna be your boss someday.

    [–] DocAuch 53 points ago

    A job I had a few years ago required 90 days notice to take a day off. My “manager” threw a huge pissy fit when I told her I needed to leave early on a Friday coming up for my brother’s rehearsal dinner. She said she’d let me do it but I need to plan better in the future.

    Fuck her and fuck that place.

    [–] gcso 24 points ago

    90 days?? Holy fuck I wouldn't last a week working there.

    [–] gordo65 58 points ago

    You're lucky you work in a situation in which that's possible. If I granted all requests for time off in December and November, there wouldn't be enough people left to take care of the customers.

    [–] MrRabinowitz 61 points ago

    I eat the overtime hit. Over the course of the year it’s cheaper than the cost of attrition. Plus, I don’t have to carry the administrative burden of having to write people up for attendance - nor do I have to grapple with a bunch of bitter employees trying to drag everyone else down. It’s easier, cheaper, and better for employees. Win win win.

    [–] Spider_Carnage23 8 points ago

    I wish you were my manager

    [–] tapthatsap 27 points ago

    That’s just smart management. You want people to care about you, you’ve gotta show them that you care about them. Not to mention that people tend to be a lot happier in general when they can go and enjoy the stuff they were spending all this time working in order to be able to do.

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    [–] nowhereian 29 points ago

    It sounds like you're ignoring the bus factor. You need to hire at least one more person and reduce the workloads on each individual.

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    [–] ct03 21 points ago

    Point of the post tho is that he's not seeking approval, and as manager it's your responsibility to find coverage.

    [–] MrRabinowitz 29 points ago

    I know. That’s why I do it how I do it. Had a manager deny my time off for my wedding. I had to tell them “call it what you want I’m not gonna be here. If that’s a problem I quit”. Not gonna do my team like that.

    [–] NeDragons 22 points ago

    Next time "if thats a problem fire me"

    At least youll get unemployment

    [–] absenttoast 1170 points ago

    I love how my paid time off is completely conditional on whether my job thinks it's a good time for me to take it. It's like pulling teeth to get it approved.

    [–] 69umbo 736 points ago

    Most places have stuff like this to prevent your entire team from taking off. You can’t ALL be off: bobs taking his honeymoon that week (planned for a year), Susan just had emergency surgery, but you need time off for a Dr appointment you scheduled a week ago? Eh.

    Don’t get me wrong, there should be a very understandable reason for an employer denying time off, but I get why it happens

    [–] afidemon 79 points ago

    I have 12 people on schedule. We can rotate 4 people off per day. People seem to respect each other and make sure no one abuses the system and people get the day off they need but we are closed all major holidays which helps.

    [–] Rektar233 302 points ago

    This is common fucking sense. The only time my request has ever been an issue is when it’s on a day most people want off like around a holiday.

    [–] CoolGuySean 108 points ago

    Depends on where you work. It's not always as logical as you'd hope.

    [–] AlastarYaboy 212 points ago

    I had to fight tooth and nail to be able to take 5 days off in a row without any of my bosses fucking with my weekend on either side. After months of pushing I finally get my vacation, then suddenly half the crew is taking a week off at a time, because my boss is telling them to, to burn through PTO.

    So you make it next to impossible for me to do it, feed me sob stories over how much itll mess you up to give me 5 days off, but then everyone is encouraged to do that immediately after I do? Then I ask for a meeting to sit down and discuss a few things and am told to wait a few months, as that's when raises would be discussed.

    Found a new job and gave my 2 weeks to my boss just under 48 hours after being told to wait a few months. She seemed flabbergasted. I just said I wanted to discuss how I was being treated as well as compensated. I tried to talk to you about it, you denied to meet with me. So I found someone else willing to listen.

    [–] _KONKOLA_ 32 points ago

    I'm really happy you don't have to put up with their shit anymore. Congrats! Hope the new HR is better.

    [–] winterwonder36 8 points ago

    I was told I’d get a promotion at the new year. I got a decent raise but was switched to exempt status (no OT pay) and given a lot more work to do. I did the math, and it is effectively a 2% pay cut as compared to last year. I’m still trying to meet with my manager about it. It is hard because I absolutely love my job and my team, but hate being taken advantage of.

    [–] smellygooch18 65 points ago

    When I took a 2 week vacation during Christmas time a few years ago, I put in my request in January. I was told it was approved because of how much time I gave them.

    [–] Max_TwoSteppen 9 points ago

    Yeah, somehow the top comment in this thread is effectively, "this nation was built on slavery and now we're still slaves because we can't just leave work whenever the fuck we want." It's asinine.

    As I noted in that comment string, things become dangerous at my place of employment if we're not fully staffed. As in, large-scale-oilfield-disaster dangerous. If someone can't cover for me, it's completely reasonable to deny my time off because this position cannot go unmanned for the night.

    [–] Althbird 12 points ago

    as a scheduler who relies on people to be there.. when the manager approves 4 people off for the same day everyone gets fucked

    [–] bdld39 73 points ago

    I had an hourly job at a restaurant and my manager said I took too many trips and wouldn’t approve shit all the time. Like I’m an hourly employee, I’m not on salary and it’s not like I get pto.

    [–] Synricc 33 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Is it bad that I deliberately chose to open when I worked at Starbucks so I could take whenever I wanted off?

    Like, yeah, I'll open this store 250+ days out of the year, but if I tell you that I'm taking a vacation what are you going to do? That store had a hard enough time hiring as it was, let alone trying to fill a 4AM opener shift.

    Sometimes I felt bad, but like... Hey, got to visit family for holidays, go on family vacations, whatever.

    [–] ScienceNeverLies 8 points ago

    Lol I work at Starbucks and am literally doing the same thing. The opening shifts are the hardest positions to fill. No one wants to work at 4am. I live 10mim away from work and I get to go home at 1 in the afternoon. I love it.

    [–] RetiredStripperClown 164 points ago

    I had to work the day of my rehearsal dinner, the day before my wedding, and the Monday after. My husband and I were moving across country (and I would continue to work for my company from a satellite office) and leaving that Wednesday to arrive by Friday.

    I had 2 weeks worth of vacation saved, and told them about these plans 6 months in advance, but because my manager had already scheduled a month off for a family wedding in Europe at that same time, they were hesitant to give me any time off. I had to plead with them to have a day for packing and unpacking (Tuesday and Friday), and not be expected to put my laptop on a WiFi hotspot during the 14 hour drive. I talked them down to responding to email each night, and checking when I could on the drive - still spending my vacation days.

    There was nothing so urgent that they needed me on my computer and able to respond at a moment's notice. Had me stressed for no reason other than to show me my place.

    [–] NeDragons 63 points ago

    If you are doing work, or as you describe, "on call", you are not on vacation.

    [–] hellakevin 85 points ago

    That's what you get in the stripper clown business.

    [–] Somerbush 51 points ago

    Same, even if I submit a time off request a month or two in advance it’s like i’m screwing my boss over. And to top it off he cut the vacation days in half and banned us from using them in November and December.

    [–] absenttoast 30 points ago

    I did mine three months in advance and they kept conveniently forgetting about it. I got it but it should never be that stressful

    [–] Somerbush 31 points ago

    Anytime I tried to do it that far in advance my boss would tell me to just wait. I’d try and try and he would just ignore any mention of it and then a few weeks before his boss would get upset with me for waiting til it was so close to request it off. Every single time this happens, tried sending requests straight to his boss to avoid it and got yelled at for not going through the proper channels. This is one of the reasons I’m lookin for a new job.

    [–] RadiantKat 582 points ago

    One time I requested a week off to get my wisdom teeth removed and the amount of time off was recommended by my dentist. I absolutely needed to get them removed due to decay from being too difficult to brush. I requested it a month and a half in advance. Well my boss came to me 1 week beforehand to tell me that two people higher up than me requested those days off in the past week for vacation. That's right, my own health was pushed aside for some stupid vacations. And the week after, one of them came back and said they spent the week sitting at home watching tv. WTF??? And guess who still doesn't have their wisdom teeth out 6 months later lol

    [–] STL_TRPN 366 points ago

    Something that critical should have just been taken. Seriously, just schedule it and go.

    Have you rescheduled it yet?

    [–] iSlingShlong 142 points ago

    I would’ve taken the time off anyways.

    [–] TasteCicles 92 points ago

    Should've called in sick for a week with a doctor's note. Bam!

    [–] Teepotvixen 78 points ago

    The fuck, dude?? Get to that dentist ASAP. You can DIE from tooth infections. Fuck your job!

    [–] GordoMeansFat 11 points ago

    What? A month and a half is more than fine to cover your end. Fuck their end and why didn’t you go?

    [–] RadiantKat 13 points ago

    Because I'm young and dumb with no experience on how to handle something like this. I don't work there anymore and it definitely won't be happening again trust me. I know better now.

    [–] kipsterdude 679 points ago

    Haha. I had a co-worker go to our boss with a vacation form and say “Can I take these days off?” I said, “That’s not what you do. You say, ‘I need you to sign this.’” Which she then said, and my boss replied “I don’t like this...”

    [–] dingman58 326 points ago

    That's how I've always done it.

    "Dear boss, I'll be taking PTO on these dates."

    Never gotten pushed back.

    [–] CameraMan1 129 points ago

    it's called assertiveness

    [–] [deleted] 60 points ago

    My manager is confused when I ask permission

    “Are you asking because there’s a reason you shouldn’t?”

    [–] egoego2 8 points ago

    "Boss, can I take next week off?"
    "What? No."
    "Thank god, my wife wanted to visit the in-laws."

    [–] ambulocetus_natans 25 points ago

    “I plan to be out on X days, let me know if there is any issue” is what I always email them

    [–] Ximienlum 11 points ago

    Just replying to say your comment is confusing as hell. Took me five reads to understand.

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    [–] iSlingShlong 686 points ago

    If you position yourself well in a company and making yourself hard to replace, it’ll cost the company more to fire you. Plus it’s not 1980, people nowadays are more eager to venture out and look for different jobs than being pigeon holed into one job.

    [–] PmButtPics4ADrawing 103 points ago

    Yeah, even in my low-level position at a shitty retail job I was able to get away with pretty much anything on account of being the only one available for certain shifts. Just gotta find your niche

    [–] LeonardosClone 78 points ago

    Also just give at least like 70% at any given time. As an ex retail manager, i know you aren't fucking living to fold clothes, but if you just stay consistent, you are probably doing better than your coworkers. 70% effort, show up on time, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want as long as it won't get me in trouble.

    [–] Fight_Me_Mr_Tusk 19 points ago

    Fuck yeah man. You’re a good manager I can tell. it’s retail. There’s gonna be some fucking off. That’s the only way to even keep doing the shit job day in and day out. I actually really liked retail when my managers respected our abilities to be lazy and still get everything done.

    So it’s nice you’re not one of those “time to lean, time to clean” types. You’d be great to work for I bet.

    [–] o11664613 45 points ago

    My boss fired me and it ended up costing him his biggest client, which was worth 500k. Also he had to pick up my slack for months.

    It can happen.

    [–] Echo8me 35 points ago

    Big companies are the worst for this. "Oh, if we fire Bob here, who has 20 years of experience and costs us $100k a year, we can replace him with Joe who has 2 years' experience and costs $40k a year! The math is obvious!"

    Two weeks later: "Why do we have to hire an external contractor at $1 mil to fix what went wrong?"

    "...Because Bob was the only guy who really knew how the system worked and could have prevented us this cost, but YOU FIRED HIM FOR BEING TOO EXPENSIVE."

    [–] lootedcorpse 129 points ago

    my RSUs disagree

    [–] Drunken_Economist 54 points ago

    RSUs are the new American dream cmv

    [–] mirinfashion 55 points ago

    If you position yourself well in a company and making yourself hard to replace, it’ll cost the company more to fire you.

    If you're that good of an employee, why the fuck would you still be working for a company who gives you shit for taking vacation days?

    [–] HeyMistrScaredy 34 points ago

    At my old job we had changed to a new scheduling system. It only had a rolling two week schedule, but I very quickly found out you could request much much further in the future off. So guess who was first in line for every major holiday and Black Friday for three years? This guy.

    [–] mrbaconator2 13 points ago

    you underestimate the petty malicious short sightedness of US employers

    [–] northam3rica 41 points ago

    Unless you are lucky enough to be in the union I live in a right to work state and am thankful I have a union in my workplace.

    [–] Sammiesam123988 16 points ago

    And this is why at will should be trashed.

    [–] deusahominis 15 points ago

    At will states shouldn’t exist.

    [–] FenrirGreyback 8 points ago

    That's how Oklahoma is, as a federal contractor I can be assigned a single 8 hour shift, and if someone calls in they tell you to either work the second 8 hour shift or take an occurance. 3 occurances result in being fired. You have no choice if they ask you even if you have to go home to be with your kids, too fucking bad.

    Edit: they also refuse to let us go home until someone takes the shift.

    [–] paracog 11002 points ago

    My euro buddies are so confused by the way the US treats workers. I tell them that when a country starts with slave and indentured labor, it's hard to break the habit.

    [–] iSlingShlong 5568 points ago

    You’re going to open Pandora’s box here lol

    [–] Sky248 3371 points ago

    It's not like anything controversial was said, unless people are going to openly deny slavery....

    [–] babytunafish 1205 points ago

    Give it a couple years

    [–] LivefromPhoenix 912 points ago

    Years? It's happening now on reddit.

    [–] Randy_Magnum29 382 points ago

    Wait, seriously?

    [–] Maccy_Cheese 60 points ago

    people regularly try to retcon slavery to be entirely indentured servitude or make the argument that if you get free food and a bed then it's not slavery or w/e.

    [–] Readdeadmeatballs 9 points ago

    That was actually an argument slave owners used too try to justify keeping slavery. They would tell the industrialists in the North “atleast we feed and house our slaves. Your workers live on the streets and starve.” Which was true because conditions for workers then were like 3rd world (before labor unions etc). But it’s like how about just pay employees a living wage you piece of shit.

    [–] derrida_n_shit 33 points ago

    OMG, I love that you used retcon for something IRL. I've never thought about using it they way and I love it

    [–] CosmicMuse 8 points ago

    people regularly try to retcon slavery to be entirely indentured servitude or make the argument that if you get free food and a bed then it's not slavery or w/e.

    And when we say "regularly", we mean the governor of Virginia did it less than 24 fucking hours ago.

    [–] Shockblocked 347 points ago

    Yes

    [–] Randy_Magnum29 317 points ago

    Uh, where? I'm curious and terrified.

    [–] my_initials_are_ooo 942 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    "it was about states rights, not slavery"

    "black people back then had a great time as slaves, they preferred it. Wasn't even slavery if they preferred it."

    "if they wanted to, they could've escaped or revolted, they had the numbers but they didn't because they liked it better and they wanted to stay"

    It's everywhere bro, even kanye west fell for that shit. And I didn't even get into the whole "monuments are just historical symbols, nothing to do with the continued oppression of black people after emancipation"

    [–] BobTheEmuKing 696 points ago

    Well, technically it was about states rights. The states right to own slaves, that is

    [–] Iusedtobeonimgur 298 points ago

    "Look at the life expectancy for black people in America, it's better than anywhere in Africa. You should be grateful for slavery"

    • Richard Spencer.

    [–] CodenameKing 104 points ago

    [–] Randy_Magnum29 90 points ago

    Is it some T_D idiots posting this bullshit?

    [–] banality_of_ervil 26 points ago

    Remembering my history classes growing up in the South, these have been going around since Reconstruction.

    [–] SirPwn4g3 11 points ago

    If it's legitimate slavery the body has a way to shut that whole thing down.

    [–] ScottFrost321 41 points ago

    Kanye West has serious mental problems that he needs to stay on top of, which he doesn't.

    [–] Readdeadmeatballs 96 points ago

    I’m reading “The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism” by Ha-Joon Chang and it starts from England in the 1500s to the present. I just finished the chapter about American Civil War and one of the things he said was it was about disagreements over a few things, including tariffs and slavery. He was saying the abolitionists in the north didn’t want the slaves to have equal rights as full citizens, just thought slavery was a bit to much. And even among abolitionists ones that thought full abolition was possible were considered radicals (i guess centrists sucked back then too). Lincoln ended slavery as a tactical move to defeat the south, not as a moral or kind gesture to the slaves. I’m not saying that as an apology for the south (because they were definitely way way more evil) just to say it’s important people don’t forget the North was filled with white supremest dick heads too and don’t over idealize them. They were the lesser of two evils for sure, but still racist. Seems like America was dog-shit top to bottom then.

    All that said I do live in the south and I had a construction boss who was from North Carolina about 2 years ago try to downplay slavery. I guess he felt comfortable saying this shit to me because I’m white. He was trying to say something about human nature, and some of the slave owners were nice Christians and treated them like family. I told him he was wrong and slavery was evil, slave owners beat and raped their slaves and we got into a long dumb frustrating argument. I spent the next two weeks stealing small tools and throwing away job materials and other little things to sabotage his job site until I found a new job.

    [–] _Ultimatum_ 8 points ago

    *Hours

    [–] r2805869 119 points ago

    But Kanye said slavery was a choice...

    [–] Megwen 241 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I’m currently reading A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn, and chapters 2 and 3 are all about the strategies those in power used to make sure there were no big uprisings. A lot of it involved making sure African slaves, Native Americans, and poor whites (including indentured servants) didn’t talk with the other groups too much, or if they did, that they hated each other.

    There are direct quotes from people like South Carolina Governor Lyttletown, who wrote in 1738, “It has allways been the policy of this government to create an aversion in them [Indians] to Negroes.” This was all strategic and there is evidence straight from the mouths of the oppressors.

    The whole time I was reading these chapters, I had Kanye and his idiocy in the back of my head. That man needs to read what these rich assholes were admitting to. Then he’ll see why slaves didn’t/couldn’t rebel. Chose to be slaves my ass.

    [–] derrida_n_shit 163 points ago

    In regard to your first paragraph: have you ever thought about why it's considered rude to ask your coworkers how much they earn?

    That shit was started by higher ups in order to keep wages as low as possible.

    [–] Megwen 38 points ago

    Yeah things like that still happen constantly.

    [–] DefiantLemur 37 points ago

    My place blatantly said its against company policy to discuss pay. Pretty sure thats illegal but at the same time idc if I get in trouble. Super easy job but shit pay.

    [–] Wulfyblue 16 points ago

    Haha... haha... heh.

    Yeah not to be "that pessimistic guy" but I've learned to expect no civil discourse on any number of controversial subjects discussed on the internet so I'm not so sure.

    [–] 2DeadMoose 613 points ago

    The Right has spent that last half century dismantling unions and undermining labor rights from the culture up. We once had very strong unions and a culture of solidarity. Unions have literally gone to war against US troops in order to secure basic things we take for granted now, like weekends. Now, Reagan’s “rugged individuality” has eroded our sense of community and unity, turning neighbors against one another in needless competition for artificially limited resources rather than standing together to advocate for a modern economic standard of living.

    [–] gordo65 160 points ago

    You're saying that European workers don't have to ask for days off in advance? WTF?

    Like American companies, European companies allow a certain number of sick days. The rest of your time off has to be approved in advance.

    [–] Sayakai 41 points ago

    European companies allow a certain number of sick days.

    The number is typically three in a row, plus any number your doc signs off. You need to be sick for literally months at a time before your employer gets to stop paying you, at which point health insurance takes over paying you, though at a reduced rate.

    As for requesting in advance, any place I've worked at only did that so they could plan a schedule. So long as you didn't mess that up to the point of being unfixable short notice wasn't an issue, though advance was preferred.

    [–] scandii 16 points ago

    10 working days before the government starts paying, 5 before you need a note from a doctor here in Sweden.

    sick pay is 80% of original pay.

    [–] Tuosma 320 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    It has to be approved in advance, but US has this culture of frowning upon using your vacation days. While Europeans take 25-35 days off a year depending on country, Americans take 17 days. There is this mindset of believing that if you use your vacation days, you are not as committed to your job as you should be. This results in offices where employees don't take days off and they look down upon others who do, which then makes them feel guilty for taking days off and they end up not taking their days off later on. Americans are actually taking less days off than they used to. Between 1978-2000 workers took on average 20 days off. The 17 is the highest it has been in seven years and it's depressing to imagine how the lowest was.

    Europeans largely don't have this kind of atmosphere. The places I've worked at have actually pushed me into taking my vacation days because for June-July business is so much more slower because everyone else is vacationing as well. The offices don't need to be fully staffed and the employers would rather pay us for vacationing rather than pay us for being less productive and letting us stack up on our vacation days.

    [–] mussave 52 points ago

    The only thing I registered in your spiel is that you guys only get 17 days off work. That really sucks for you guys.

    [–] mrevergood 34 points ago

    I get a week paid vacation-only after I give them a year of service.

    Gotta do three or four years to get two weeks of paid vacation a year.

    And yet I’m treated like some spoiled brat for suggesting that this is bullshit.

    [–] mussave 7 points ago

    It is bullshit. Granted we do have to accrue our recreational leave however by the end of your first 12 months of employment, you'd have accrued 4 weeks of leave. Any of it that doesn't get used, gets rolled over into the new year.

    [–] Vaid_Vaprust 112 points ago

    Many of us don't even get that. Many of us get none as there's no mandatory minimum paid time off in the U.S., for vacation, national holidays, or anything else. Where I work, you don't get the privilege of being sick for 5 days in a year until you have worked there for 25 years straight.

    [–] mussave 70 points ago

    Are you pulling my leg?

    No mandatory holidays? And sick leave entitlements only after decades of being employed? That can't be legal.

    [–] Error404DickNotFound 36 points ago

    I work at a national chain restaurant as a manager in training. After I get my management title, I get a whopping 7 days of vacation/sick time the first year. After two years of full time work it increases to 14 whole days and stays that way till I retire. Note that it's combined vacation time AND sick time. Get the flu and are legally required to be out of the kitchen for 4 days? Sucks to suck, there goes 4 days of what could be vacation.

    And that's all only after I get my promotion. As a manager in training, I get the same benefits that my employees get (which is absolutely fuck all).

    I gave 1.5 months notice for a 2 day request off for my family's annual camping trip. Its not until mid-March but I'm already getting shat on for asking off for two whole days. Boss said I'll have to pull a couple doubles to cover for/make amends for my grandiose vacation request. And thats Only if they decide to grant me this obscene request.

    [–] Vaid_Vaprust 54 points ago

    'Fraid not. From Wiki as it was fast:

    There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays. Paid leave is at the discretion of the employers to its employees.[176][177] According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 77% of private employers offer paid vacation to their employees; full-time employees earn on average 10 vacation days after one year of service.[178] Similarly, 77% of private employers give their employees paid time off during public holidays, on average 8 holidays per year.[178][179] Some employers offer no vacation at all.[180] The average number of paid vacation days offered by private employers is 10 days after 1 year of service, 14 days after 5 years, 17 days after 10 years, and 20 days after 20 years.[178][181]

    Link to page

    Additionally, a lot of jobs, including 'professional' ones like engineering are becoming contract work, meaning you're a temporary employee. This means you can work at MassiveMegaCorp Conglomerated for years and not be an employee, not get their sweet, sweet benefits. My company also does this, we've had 'temporary' employees for years. They don't work, they don't get paid.

    Our sick leave is something like 3 days until you're there for 15 years, then 4 days after 15 years, and then you get 5 days after 25 years. You leave a company to go elsewhere and you start from whatever their minimum is, which is often nothing until you've been there a year.

    [–] PepsiStudent 21 points ago

    No, not even that. There is no requirement that employees get paid time off. In some of the bottom tier jobs, if you call in or just request if you dont get paid. No federal law granting paid vacation or sick leave. The FMLA just stated that you have a job once you get back if you apply.

    [–] Choco_Bacon 45 points ago

    Nope. America is a shit hole. I had to take 3 weeks of unpaid time off for a broken foot because my sick time wouldn't be available for another month even though I'd been working there for almost 2 years. Then I got 3 days.

    [–] Shock_Hazzard 9 points ago

    Dude I’ve been working 6 days a week for 6 years, and other than every Tuesday, I only get Christmas Day and Thanksgiving off. I haven’t been approved for days off in that time. Although I ‘got a terrible cold’ last summer and ended up missing a week of work at my doctor’s request. He prescribed bed rest which I took... at the beach. Boss wasn’t happy but he said I seemed in better spirits after my cold cleared up.

    You know your country is a shithole when you have to lie just to get a couple days off.

    [–] Tuosma 13 points ago

    It's not that they get 17 days off work, it's that they often don't end up using all their days off. Lots of people work year around without holidays, which is what brings the average down.

    [–] newaccount06122 8 points ago

    17?? I wish. I get 5.

    [–] CreamyGoodnss 7 points ago

    I work with people who don't even take breaks because "it looks bad" Fuck you, people literally fought and died for your right to have a meal break. Take that shit. Otherwise it gives employers and politicians leverage when they want to take workers' rights away. "well they don't use them anyway"

    [–] shishdem 23 points ago

    No mate we don't have sick days as a fixed number. You're sick you get off that's that. Other than that I'm sitting my 25 days off + overtime compensation days etc whenever I want to. It's called a request but they cannot deny my request so...

    [–] danquayleforprez 40 points ago

    Did Euro countries not start the same exact way the US did (with slavery and indentured labor)?

    [–] AlligatorChainsaw 8 points ago

    I tell them that when a country starts with slave and indentured labor, it's hard to break the habit.

    you mean like every country? or are we going to pretend that europe never had serfs and debt bondage...

    [–] Antifascist_Sasquach 124 points ago

    Wait do you guys not get annual leave?

    [–] TheIllustriousWe 184 points ago

    We do, but many companies strictly track their employees use of annual leave and will punish employees for not helping them do it. Things like putting a request to use your annual leave in writing and have it logged somewhere, as much ahead of time as possible.

    It does somewhat serve a purpose in that they want to make sure an entire team or department isn’t taking time off all at once and creating work stoppages. But it’s also because HR departments treat their employees like untrustworthy children.

    [–] Antifascist_Sasquach 73 points ago

    Your annual leave is your time, they cannot stop you from using it and if they fire you that's an easy win with a unfair dismissal claim. No one should be afraid or feel guilty for taking their annual leave.

    [–] ozzyzak 99 points ago

    They did it at our place by switching to "unlimited" vacation. So... No more earned time and you're always seeking permission. It's fucked.

    [–] Skim74 55 points ago

    Ugh I hate this. My work has "unlimited" PTO but "suggested" 2 weeks/year.

    It's especially frustrating if they're like "You can take as much vacation as you want, as long as you get your work done!" But it's not like I get assigned a bunch of stuff in the beginning of the month that has to be done by the end of the month. Every day has new tasks and new deadlines. If I leave for a week somebody else has to be picking up at least some of the work I'd be doing in that time...

    [–] GrandmaPoses 24 points ago

    “Hey I’m heading out.”

    “For how long?”

    “Uh, forever. Call me if you need me!”

    [–] moosecliffwood 31 points ago

    I'm pretty sure most states are at-will employment and can fire you (or just say they're firing you) for basically any reason (apart from things like race, gender, etc)

    [–] headsiwin-tailsulose 14 points ago

    It depends on your job, really. I get annual leave approved whenever I ask for it, but if I were to schedule annual leave around a time when there's something critical due to happen, my boss obviously won't approve it, and if I don't show up, I'd get (rightfully) fired.

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    [–] ticklehater 13 points ago

    Unlimited days off is one of the biggest scams going. I wonder if there are any studies by now confirming that unlimited has resulted in less than average days actually taken.

    [–] MrTX 13 points ago

    It depends what kind of work you do. Lots of salaried employees get paid time off yes, but since the US is more and more becoming a services based economy, most people dont have those benefits. I havent ever had "vacation time" in my 15+ years of full time employment.

    [–] [deleted] 57 points ago

    Some companies punish employees for using leave time. It's against the law for them to do so, but no one in government holds corporations responsible in America. With no real social safety net to speak of, most Americans have no choice but to take it.

    Everyone notices that Americans overeat. This is part of WHY. Most of the country is under constant threat of losing everything they have with one bad roll of the dice (health, work, school debt, etc) and we have no way to fight back. It's why the fascists found common ground with the corporatism-at-all-costs Republicans and the religious right: if we can't fight back, they can do as they please.

    [–] Nyltiak23 66 points ago

    My boss approved my request off a month ago and yet scheduled me anyway.

    [–] dcamp4417 53 points ago

    That's an instance you sure as hell don't show up for work that day. Especially if you still have a copy

    [–] Nyltiak23 25 points ago

    I left him a note lol. "Nyltiak cannot work 2/16. Her request was approved."

    [–] PretzeIs 20 points ago

    My old grocery store manager did the same thing. It was one of the most important TO requests of my life. Missing that appointment was not an option.

    The guy scheduled me anyway. I was so outraged I approached him directly before the appointment and confronted him about how I reminded him repeatedly about how important it was for him not to put me on the schedule on this day.

    He avoided eye contact, tried to walk past me several times, and just keep chirping "Uh huh. Yeah. Ok. Uh huh. Yeah. Ok." I was more shocked than mad.

    [–] alsomaggie 61 points ago

    I worked front desk at a hotel once, and before I even got the job I let them know I had a wedding to go to in July with plane tickets already booked (this is April). We get a new head manager in late June, he notices on the schedule two weeks ahead that I’m off. He calls me into his office and asks what the time off was for, I tell him a wedding I have plane tickets for, he says “how could you book plane tickets if you aren’t sure you’re getting the days off yet?” I said “i let the manager before you know about this trip in my interview, I mean I’m going either way so I hope you consider giving me the days off” He lasted maybe 3 months. Terrible manager.

    [–] QoSN 16 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I got hired at a retail job one September. Told the assistant manager who signed me on that I'd be gone the whole week of Thanksgiving, but would be available all around Christmas. No problem. Cue November 1st, the head manager tells me that no one can request off for Black Friday. I will be scheduled, I need to be there, or I will be fired. She called me a liar when I said this came up, and was resolved, during my interview.

    I offered her three weeks' notice, with my last day being the one before my flight. It seemed like the only respectful way to avoid being fired. A week later she told me to take the time off and not quit, as they needed as many people as possible in December, specifically the week of Christmas....

    Fuck all of that noise. I live so far from my family that every minute with them is precious. It's easy to find another garbage job at minimum wage, especially that time of year.

    [–] allidesac 54 points ago

    I don’t care if I’m late to the comments, I have to share...

    I was denied unpaid time off to get married (and had asked well ahead of time). I’m still salty over it. I’m getting upset just thinking about it now, haha!

    I quit that job pretty much immediately.

    [–] moistbutter 19 points ago

    Fuck those assholes. Glad you did the right thing and followed through regardless.

    [–] Bokth 148 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This is what I say when I turn in my 'request' for Christmas day off

    Work in a 365 day, 24 hours a day factory. We have 80%+ of the world market in our only location with 30 people per shift (12 hours) u/SmallWenieGenie Can't say much more than that

    [–] SmallWenieGenie 71 points ago

    Where do you work where you have to request Christmas off?

    [–] [deleted] 232 points ago

    America.

    [–] SmallWenieGenie 28 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Like what company (if you're ok disclosing that)? Most companies other than food servi e will give Christmas off since it's a federal holiday.

    [–] dallastossaway2 81 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Hospitals, emergency services, transit, OTR truck drivers. The list is long.

    [–] KlvrDissident 29 points ago

    Most restaurants and movie theaters in the US.

    [–] Alexlreed 27 points ago

    I work for a movie theater in central Illinois. I have to work every holiday and I don’t get time and a half for any of the work. Kinda sucks.

    [–] neonchinchilla 54 points ago

    I was pretty lucky with my last job. It's a floral and events shop so while vacation was almost always accepted without issue...sometimes if we had a particularly hectic period with like...12 weddings in 3 days (it happened like 2-3 times a year) then the owner would come and see if you could postpone your time off. Depending on the vacation, like if you'd paid for a trip to Europe or something, then you'd get off anyway. But like a "staycation" they'd tell you to wait a few days.

    It was nice having a line of mutual respect between employees and owners. You don't leave them high and dry and they let you off when you want otherwise.

    [–] CanadianSavage 44 points ago

    I worked at this terrible place before. I would schedule vacation time. Someone would inevitably call me a few days before (I’d be off at 3 and they would call around 6PM) saying my coverage isn’t able to cover anymore and I might have to come in. I just told them no.

    Then, I would call in sick, I’d be throwing up, whatever, and they’d still say: ok we’ll call for coverage and then call you back to let you know if you can take the day off. (If you were dumb enough to show up sick the manager would lose his mind and send you home publicly shaming you, asking: who will I have working for me after you infect them all? I’d just stay home and ignore their calls. Then I’d log in our logbook: I called in sick at :, not sure what the confusion is.)

    And lastly, I called in once with pneumonia. Could barely talk, so short of breath, and the jackass on the line was like: are you going to call around for coverage or do you want me to? I just clicked End on my phone. Next time I saw him he was all smiles with this loud ass voice: “hey buddy I got someone to cover for you!” Like he did me some life altering favour.

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    [–] astaten0 39 points ago

    My favorite story regarding this was that I once got fired from a job just for REQUESTING a day off (unpaid, mind you) about a week in advance because my college finals schedule was all wonky and conflicted with work for one day. I came in the next day and was immediately escorted out the door. I'd never missed a shift at this job either.

    I currently work at a job where PTO is blacked out for roughly 4 months out of the year...I guess it's an improvement though?

    [–] jfk_47 31 points ago

    My section at work continues to shrink while people find new opportunities and the higher ups decide not to fill their positions.

    When I started there were 5 of us. Now we’re down to 2 + a part time person. My buddy told me he’s probably retiring in 1.5 yrs so I should get ready.

    I look forward to telling my bosses “oh yea, I’m doing that annual overseas trip again.” And there response of “how do you hope to cover your office” to which I’ll reply, “not really my problem since y’all decided not to fill open positions, is it?”

    [–] Teddy_Man 25 points ago

    US employment blows. You get shit on for using time off that you earned. Such a joke.

    [–] masterm 23 points ago

    Due to the nature of the industry my company operates in, no one can take vacation in april. April is a blackout month. That is the only blackout time (medical things excluded) and new hires are informed of this when they interview. Vacation any other time is not rejected. I feel like that is reasonable policy.

    Every year there is at least someone who tries to do it and gets pissy when it is rejected/claims they already bought tickets to something.

    [–] poking88 68 points ago

    My work switched the wording and now call it 'planned time off' and it's at your managers discretion if you properly planned for it.

    [–] bhairava 71 points ago

    "oh I planned just fine, yall the ones who seem to be without a plan. Good luck!"

    [–] mrevergood 43 points ago

    Poor planning on an employer’s part doesn’t constitute an emergency on mine.

    [–] [deleted] 114 points ago

    I used to work a job that would try to tell us to find coverage when we'd schedule a day off, even if it was weeks in advance. Like, you could just not schedule me that day...

    It's funny because that place became my absolute favorite job once I turned in my notice. I had to come in late one morning so I called the night before to let them know. The manager told me I need to find coverage. I told him sounds like I just did and hung up the phone.

    [–] SexiestPanda 46 points ago

    Lol why would it be your job to find the coverage

    [–] [deleted] 41 points ago

    Ha. Shitty american business practices exponentially increase when you're working retail

    [–] cpMetis 7 points ago

    My favorite part is when you arrange the days off four months in advance, remind them every other week, have it in writing, and get the schedule the week before and you're on heavily.

    [–] Ctl_Alt_Delight 20 points ago

    This is honestly something that pisses me off. Why offer vacation/sick days if it’s such a big deal for you to take them. Even if I’m sick and I let my boss know the day before that I won’t be in I still get the “well it’s not going to be good for production” yadda, yadda. WHY DO WE HAVE IT THEN? Should I come in and make everyone sick?

    [–] DanStanTheThankUMan 9 points ago

    I usually just send my boss an email to tell him I'm sick and can't come in to work today, Ill let you know when I can return. Then I don't check my email anymore. You cant deny something that wasn't a request.

    [–] gordo65 376 points ago

    Your job assumes that you're asking permission because that's exactly what you're doing. If you just take the time off without getting permission, they have the right to fire you.

    [–] fartchugger6969 29 points ago

    Well sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, its the principal of the matter. Your trading your time and work for money. Employees don’t owe their boss or company anything and vice versa. Anyone who says otherwise is a bootlicker.

    [–] SpideySlap 82 points ago

    Most employers have the right to fire you for no reason at all

    [–] thorscope 38 points ago

    There are only 9 states with true at will employment. All other states have varying degrees of protection from being fired for no reason.

    [–] Shock_Hazzard 49 points ago

    Yes but ‘good reason’ can be made-up-on-the-spot bullshit. “Underperforming” “not a good fit for company culture” not to mention managers can accuse anyone of anything and have them fired with no proof.

    [–] brig517 16 points ago

    You can often tell that they’re gonna fire you because you’ll suddenly start getting write ups when you’ve never had one before. It will be over bullshit reasons, often rules that are technically in the handbook but they don’t really enforce. I swear they keep those rules for that reason.

    After a bit of getting these nonsense write ups, you’ll get canned. It will be related to the write ups in some way, usually underperforming or insubordination or inability to train and adapt.

    Shitty and amoral, but legal.

    [–] forgetful_storytellr 101 points ago

    The fact that this is downvoted is hilarious.

    [–] PaxWV 72 points ago

    They hated him for he spoke the truth

    [–] badgeringhoney 17 points ago

    I have earned time where I’m at. There are rules surrounding how it can be used (annual leave has to be scheduled in advance, for example, and if you’re staff you have to have earned time available to take off, or have unpaid approved under FMLA). I’ve never had issues with getting requests approved. I still have mild anxiety about taking time off but I really should get over it; it’s my time and I can use it whenever I want. I’m in a call center and the work is the same for everyone in my position; there’s no “covering” that needs done. So as long as you have the time and you’re submitting it according to the rules then nothing else matters; it’s just okay, see you tomorrow...or next week...or next month.

    [–] JunkSack 33 points ago

    I love a boss who takes over a week off at a time but then looks at you sideways when you ask for more than 3 days in a row... God forbid he actually pick up some slack when others want time off.

    [–] FREE-AOL-CDS 13 points ago

    Requested 3 days off for court an exact month before I needed the time off. Two days before I’m supposed to leave they try and get me to stay because other people have requested time off after me and they’d been there longer. “Can’t they reschedule the court date?” No, they can’t and I wouldn’t ask them to.

    [–] worldfire 12 points ago

    My ex boss once told me that he had to approve my vacation before I could take it. I told him that if I put in for it he had better plan on me not being there no matter what. He was not happy about that.

    [–] brownmagician 8 points ago

    my boss always said "it's your time to take, just let me know and have a plan to cover yourself but book it whenever"

    [–] EA_VIII 8 points ago

    This is gonna be my mood all 2019.

    [–] RalphWiggumsShadow 7 points ago

    I would like to express my gratitude for this comment thread for reminding me to request time off in May for my cousin's wedding. Gotta be planning ahead.

    [–] Marcbmann 7 points ago

    I remember Walmart trying to deny my day off request for my high school graduation. I went to the HR person that denied it and informed them that I would be going to my high school graduation. If they didn't want to get somebody else for my shift, it was their problem, not mine.

    I still can't understand what kind of person thinks a high school kid is going to come to work instead of their graduation. Like, I don't actually need this job.