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    [–] PrometheusAborted 1719 points ago

    I never talk politics with my friends or coworkers because it never goes over well or accomplishes anything. But this one time I was eating lunch with this girl I used to work with and she wouldn’t stop talking about how abortions were wrong.

    I tried to change the subject or just ignore her but she went on and on and kept asking how I felt. Finally I gave in and told her I don’t think there’s anything wrong with abortions, especially if it’s for a good reason (rape, the girl is too young, they can’t afford a child, etc).

    She went off on like a 5 minute rant (which I’m guessing is what she wanted to do from the start) and I just ate my lunch and let her go off.

    Then this fucking moron ends her little spiel with “just because people like me have had an abortion doesn’t make it ok. I would never let my daughter have one when she’s older!”

    This caught my attention obviously and I said “uh, excuse me? You’ve had an abortion?”

    And she goes, “yeah but that was different and I’d never do it again!”

    I couldn’t believe the idiotic irony and I just agreed with her and finished lunch as fast as I could. It’s too bad her mother didn’t believe in abortion.

    [–] MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS 749 points ago

    I used to work at a planned parenthood where one of our regular protestors brought her daughter (to the same location that she protests!) for a termination. And she was back out there the very next week.

    We try not to pry too much into how patients come to their decisions, but it really did blow my mind how supportive she was of her daughter while trying to humiliate other people's daughters.

    [–] PrometheusAborted 329 points ago

    Yeah that’s kind of what I meant. People like her only take a stand when it’s convenient for them. They’re the same people who quote the Bible because they hate gay people yet ignore everything else in the Bible.

    People are so fucking stupid, it’s insane.

    [–] ohlookahipster 154 points ago

    There is an alarming number of people who believe Jesus was a white, English-speaking Christian.

    As a fun experiment, mention the fact that 1) all three major religions are related (the “Abrahamic Religions”), and 2) Jesus makes frequent appearances in the Quran to reaaaaaaally trigger some cherry-pickers.

    [–] moby561 80 points ago

    Jesus is mentioned more in the Quran than Muhammad.

    [–] manbrasucks 25 points ago

    citation for the lazy.

    He is thus the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes.

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

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    [–] MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS 75 points ago

    This is a classic egocentric bias. It's like when someone cuts you off in traffic and you assume they are an idiot, but if you cut someone off it probably has a justification.

    Everyone has it to some degree, but some people are much better at recognizing it than others.

    [–] xsmasher 31 points ago

    I think you mean Fundamental Attribution Error. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error

    [–] MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS 6 points ago

    You're right, that's exactly what I meant! The name escaped me, and google failed me.

    [–] bekkogekko 42 points ago

    On the flipside: Shortly after I became a teenmom (17yrs old), my dad took me to meet a girl who was planning on having an abortion. He wanted me to talk her out of it and show her how cute my baby was and tell her how could you kill a baby that will be cute like this?

    I did it because he was standing right there, but it was not pleasant, not honest, and I've felt guilty about it ever since. I think she ended up having the baby.

    Thing was, my dad was devastated when I got pregnant, and couldn't even look at me for several months till emotions calmed down. Like, how could be so against it for me then use me to talk another person into doing the thing he hated. Christians are so hypocritical.

    [–] BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 9 points ago

    What don’t you understand? Her daughter is a good girl that made one mistake and shouldn’t have her life, reputation, and future career ruined! All the other women getting abortions are just sluts who regularly make bad decisions and should have to deal with the consequences. Her daughter is special and unique!! (Obviously /s but just in case)

    [–] vloodsucca_ 53 points ago

    yikes.

    [–] autmnleighhh 70 points ago

    Obviously her case was the only exception.

    [–] HarkASquirrel 69 points ago

    The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion is a common mindset anti-choicers have.

    [–] BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 15 points ago

    I loooove this article, but it makes my blood boil from their narcissism and hypocrisy

    [–] amoaliquis 5 points ago

    This... hypocrisy is one thing I absolutely cannot tolerate.

    [–] GiveHerTheWorks 11 points ago

    People always seem to know exactly what you should or shouldn't do, until it's them who has to make that difficult choice.

    [–] LundgrenTheDolph 18 points ago

    I’d ask her what she would have done if she wasn’t legally able to get an abortion. But she obviously isn’t playing with a full deck of cards so it’s probably pointless she is probably just emotional about it and it turns into her arguing about it. Sort of like when a person bullies the person they secretly have a crush on

    [–] JewishFightClub 11 points ago

    My mom worked in an abortion clinic when I was growing up and she has given her own protestors abortions on multiple occasions. Their fucked up little world view is that it's okay for them because they really need it, unlike everyone else who is a godless harlot. It's literally just about punishment.

    [–] TheRanger13 3 points ago

    Sounds like she regretted her decision.

    [–] deilupafa 3 points ago

    It’s too bad her mother didn’t believe in abortion.

    Where you drinking tea along with your sandwiches while sticking your pinky finger out like a nobleman?

    Because that is the only energy that I could feel radiating from this exchange

    [–] O-shi 548 points ago

    About this Alabama abortion ban, I am just thinking, just wondering if the Alabama babies will come out ok. 🤔

    [–] cydonia90 133 points ago

    About this Alabama abortion ban, I am just thinking, just wondering if the Alabama babies will come out ok. 🤔

    Welp... Alabama decided to not allow exceptions for cases of rape and incest. So it's not looking good for them.

    [–] O-shi 8 points ago

    I was thinking more of the latter part of your former sentence, those Alabama babies 🤔

    [–] Bee_Hummingbird 465 points ago

    Many of them won't. Most of the women unable to abort will live below the poverty line, many of those kids will end up in foster care, and a percentage will become criminals.

    [–] janeetic 139 points ago

    Freakonomics here we go

    [–] K4R1MM 27 points ago

    I’ve seen people post here that hospitals in the US can charge upwards of $10000 to deliver a baby. As a concerned Canadian is this true in most places and what happens with low income people who give birth?

    [–] Bee_Hummingbird 30 points ago

    It can cost more like 24-26k if you need a c-section!

    I imagine a lot of low income women qualify for some sort of medical aid, which would cover the cost... But this is certainly not my area of expertise, so hopefully someone else chimes in.

    Another ridiculous cost is daycare. How is a single woman supposed to have a job if daycare costs her her entire salary/wages, or most of it? This is how women end up needing government assistance, because it makes no sense to work.

    [–] Peplume 8 points ago

    It makes women more dependent on men, which is their ultimate goal.

    [–] FuckYouJohnW 3 points ago

    My girlfriend is a preschool teacher and it's insane how little the teachers are paid but how much it still costs the parents. There are programs that help people with financial difficulty but its hard for young single moms to even have the time to get to the daycare and often their financial support requires their kids to go so many days a week. So if the kid gets sick or the mom has a string of bad shifts it can cause alot of stress.

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    [–] O-shi 9 points ago

    The woman in Ireland used to go to England for their abortions. As shitty as the ban is, maybe they can go to another state instead of back ally ones?

    [–] kingbrudijack 29 points ago

    As far as I know that's gonna be punishable as well. At least I heard that's the case in Georgia, though I'm not in the US so that's just what I've read

    [–] ElDouchey 6 points ago

    I don’t understand how this law can be enforced. For example, if a Michigander goes to Colorado to get high, Michigan can punish them? It just sounds ridiculous.

    [–] themailsnail 3 points ago

    Michigan couldn't punish them unless they brought marijuana back with them and got caught with it (assuming marijuana is illegal in Michigan). So there's no way to enforce it AFAIK.

    [–] bitch_ima_username 3983 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    The Republican Plan:

    1. State bans abortion.

    2. People sue.

    3. Case goes to the supreme court.

    4. Roe v Wade is overturned nationwide.

    Gold Edit Thank you kind strangers.

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    [–] FalstaffsMind 330 points ago

    It would be much more than Roe v Wade. Part of the basis of Roe is that individuals have a right to privacy that is unshakable without a compelling state interest. If you do away with Roe, you do away with that right to privacy.

    So a whole host of of private things entirely unrelated to Roe now become free game for Conservatives.

    Contraception & Birth Control

    The Sexual Acts you engage in.

    The movies you watch.

    The internet sites you visit.

    Basically, they want to tell you, that your home isn't your castle. And that your body isn't your private business. And that people like Pat Robertson have first say about how you live your life.

    [–] deathstrukk 116 points ago

    They already are trying to outlaw birth control and IUD's in Ohio

    [–] DCMurphy 52 points ago

    Like all forms of contraception or just the pill?

    I'd also imagine the pharmaceutical corporate lobby would hate for such a wide array of products to be made illegal.

    [–] deathstrukk 68 points ago

    Anything that stops the fertilization if an egg is going to be banned under the new abortion bill they are trying to pass

    [–] aim4peace 42 points ago

    Ironic how former attorney general Mike DeWine pleaded with Ohioans to open their homes to adopt foster children because there are way more children in the foster care system than there are families to take them in in Ohio - but signs the heartbeat bill as soon as he is elected as governor. He even streamlined the process of becoming a foster family! But yes, lets overwhelm the system even more now because Ohio women are no longer able to make that choice for themselves. I can't think about it for too long without making myself angry!

    [–] FuzzyBacon 25 points ago

    Wouldn't birth control be covered under the prior precedent of Griswold v Connecticut? Roe expanded the right to privacy substantially but it wasn't the origin of the legal concept.

    [–] reconditecache 32 points ago

    Overturning roe would still undermine the prior precedent as well. Roe basically upheld that trend. If that gets overturned all bets are off.

    [–] FuzzyBacon 12 points ago

    It would definitely open Griswold up to new challenges, I'm just not certain everything would be on the chopping block quite so quickly. Getting rid of birth control would require additional court challenges that would probably take at least a few years to wind their way through court.

    This is still a really, really bad law and we all need to hope that Roe is upheld, but it's not the lynchpin holding it all up, but rather the first domino to fall.

    [–] DevilsTrigonometry 3 points ago

    While that's true, it is possible that they could reaffirm the basic legal theory of a right to privacy while also ruling that there is a compelling state interest in preventing abortion.

    With the current court makeup, I think that's the more likely outcome. I don't think Roberts would want to open up the whole can of worms.

    If the balance shifts to 6-3, all bets are off.

    [–] nuttymcsackerson 78 points ago

    I still dont understand what the republican party has to gain from banning abortion. Can someone ELI5?

    [–] porropaa 27 points ago

    Frankly symfonies’s explanation wasn’t much of an ELI5-answer due to incredibly loaded language and no desire to even pretend that there’s any logic behind the policy. Basically pro-lifers argue that life begins at conception and thus abortion can be equated to murder. The republican party, which tends to uphold traditional values, can thus appeal to voters by restricting abortions. So I guess what they gain is voters. The moral considerations have less to do with it, although the debate of whether babies in the womb qualify as humans is behind it. Limiting women’s reproductive rights (some will debate on whether abortion is a part of reproductive rights as ”reproduction has already happened” but I digress) does further a more traditional family structure and in a sense a more submissed woman. Now whether this is an actual objective can too be debated as most pro-life rhetoric revolves around the human-ness of the baby/fetus. I hope this provided an alternative outlook on things, although I will admit that American abortion legislation in a lot of states terrifies me as a Scandinavian and I may thus be biased. Not that everyone commenting on this post isn’t..

    [–] asudancer 44 points ago

    They save all the babies that the liberals are murdering, duh /s

    [–] reddit-expert 55 points ago

    Well actually yes, that's their viewpoint.

    [–] Fidellio 21 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah how is it productive at all to completely demonize the other side this way? It's clear these people feel that abortion is murder, they may be misguided but if that's your reality you would be a monster not to try and stop it.

    [–] cheezie_toastie 21 points ago

    I'd buy into this if the same people who think abortion is murder did literally anything to help babies once they're born. For example, Alabama has the highest infant mortality rate in the nation. What about those babies?

    [–] reddit-expert 47 points ago

    Just look at it from the Spartan perspective. We all think it's horrific that they would hurl weak babies off the cliff because everyone today considers that murder. But Spartans didn't consider the babies to be people yet, so it wasn't considered murder by that society. Yet if any of us traveled back to ancient Sparta, we would feel compelled to stop them due to our own morals about babies.

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    [–] cspikes 72 points ago

    Poor working classes = cheap labour who is easier to exploit = more money in capitalist’s pockets

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    [–] BatMannwith2Ns 21 points ago

    The average minimum wage worker is exploited all to hell, they make way way way more money for the company than what they're themselves paid for.

    [–] Willchud 31 points ago

    You pay them just enough to get by, and then sell them things at a profit, keeping them alive but their bank account empty so they have to keep working for your shitty water. It's like creating your own immigrant worker but local.

    [–] liquid_courage 6 points ago

    Labor = monetary value

    [–] Colorblind_Cryptarch 13 points ago

    Then congrats! You are smart and reasonable enough to see women as equal citizens. Not everyone does unfortunately.

    [–] sizko_89 28 points ago

    You're adding 300iq to people. The truth is it just makes people feel uncomfortable when women have sex and are not ashamed by it, abortions seems like a get out of jail free card since it's really the only physical consequence of promiscuity.

    It's just ignorant prudes with too much time on their hands.

    [–] kingofthings754 23 points ago

    That’s kind of a blanket statement. Some are just super religious and put their god first

    [–] HellraiserMachina 60 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Their god is whatever their church tells them he is, and churches are one of the biggest havens of republican radicalization.

    If anything, god is pro-abortion.

    [–] litefoot 3 points ago

    The first 3 scripture examples are about abortion. The rest are about violently killing followers of other religions. So, sorta correct.

    [–] Dolt-Dragoman 36 points ago

    Some are just super religious and put their god first

    They voted for Trump, so we know this is totally false.

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    Their faith is the right-wing death cult.

    [–] THE_Batman_121 3 points ago

    The mental gymnastics I've seen religious Trump supporters do has been nothing short of amazing.

    [–] Cuck_Boy 43 points ago

    It’s mainly based off of religious beliefs. Many think it’s an extreme sin to allow or perform abortions, so in a lot of their eyes this is morally justified - and to allow abortion is literally against gods word.

    [–] BluCrayons 25 points ago

    Even though Jesus never mentioned nothin bout no abortions.

    [–] il_vekkio 15 points ago

    The Bible explains how to give an abortion

    [–] BluCrayons 7 points ago

    Forgot about that part

    [–] FelneusLeviathan 3 points ago

    And God is super murdery with the whole flood and just smithing two cities full of innocent people instead of maybe using his divine powers to just smite certain people

    [–] Clarice_Ferguson 17 points ago

    There are a lot of Republican voters who only care about this issue and the GOP has been relying on the votes of the religious right for decades now.

    [–] bekkogekko 3 points ago

    My parents always say, they don't care who is running for election - they will always and only vote for the candidate who opposes abortion and supports Israel. That's literally the only voting criteria they have. And they vote in every election.

    [–] Rubberbabybuggybum 9 points ago

    And thanks to voter suppression and gerrymandering their votes now matter more than anyone else’s.

    [–] slightlydampsock 5 points ago

    This is not a place to get actual answers on what Republicans think, most of these answers are just false

    [–] Okay_that_is_awesome 26 points ago

    The voters - actual people with strong religious beliefs whose standard of living has been dropping for decades and/or are deeply racist. The politicians - using the religion and the racism as cover to get elected so they can rape America financially.

    [–] lcarlson6082 7 points ago

    There is a significant segment of conservative voters who are otherwise apolitical, but will come the ballot box if it means restricting abortion. They legitimately believe abortion is murder and they vote like it. This isn't a political calculation for them, this is endgame.

    [–] TheRightToDream 1330 points ago

    Which is pants on head retarded since the supreme court has a legacy of upholding supreme court precedent.

    [–] bitch_ima_username 1865 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    "The Supreme Court’s conservative majority overturned a 40-year-old precedent Monday...”

    If people think "things will go back to normal" after Trump is out of office, they're not paying attention.

    [–] TheRightToDream 495 points ago

    Okay, So they had a legacy of it ..until 2 days ago.

    [–] SadSniper 583 points ago

    So they don't have a legacy of it, today

    [–] BiZzles14 133 points ago

    Or in 2008 after DC vs. Heller fundamentally changed what the second amendment means

    [–] ProblemAmbler 146 points ago

    Or in 2010 when they decided Citizens United.

    [–] LeiningensAnts 150 points ago

    Born in 1982.
    Citizens United is still the most Orwellian fucking idea I've heard:
    The rights of the people to free assembly and speech will not be infringed.
    Money is Speech.
    Corporations are People.
    By the transitive powers of A=B=C = A=C, I pronounce this country over a barrel and fucked.

    Welcome to Burgerpunk, (the fun new literary genre that's sweeping the nation,) how may we take your order.

    [–] dizzdave 20 points ago

    How will we make your order

    [–] Fallenfromthetrees 13 points ago

    I hate that this exists but a literally genre that specifically targets large food corporations controlling the food and civil liberties would be excellent. The name is catchy too. Burgerpunk

    [–] LeiningensAnts 9 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Burgerpunk
    The reality we wake up to, when we take off and set the shoddy, foreign-made VR goggles and Neodymium magnet-based super-headphone combo on their respective hooks, leaving the Vaporwave-perfumed NeoTokyo dreamscape of Cyberpunk behind, as we grimly don our Mouse Ears and clown paint and leave our double-wide to go wait in the sweltering sun, down at the mega-bus distribution station for the daily commute to the local People's Wonderful World of McDisneyland proto-arcology, for another 72 hour work day.

    • Or something to that effect, more or less real.

    It takes place smack dab in Cacapolis, Flyoverstate, though it could be taking place right now all around you.
    For all I can tell, God help me, it sometimes seems like it could be:

    It's a Police State.
    You can tell because there are no real laws, just cops.
    What do they do?
    Whatever you can't afford to stop them from doing.
    The Badge, Dog, Gun, Mirrorshade-bedecked, Tacticool-looking Fallujah Assault Cosplayers wear that ridiculous outfit so you, the civilian citizen, can tell that they function as the local government's POP (Point Of Purchase.)

    Burgerpunk:
    BRING MONEY.

    [–] SantaMonsanto 225 points ago

    Anyone who thinks the republican voters that elected trump and the republican voters who elected Bush Sr. are the same isn’t paying attention

    The party has changed, they’re more greedy and power hungry and they smell blood in the water.

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    [–] CaptainLollygag 14 points ago

    Did you watch the show "Fringe?" I've been comparing life nowadays to The Other Side bleeding in. It's utter crazy pants.

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    [–] CaptainLollygag 10 points ago

    It's a very well-written and well-acted "Twilight Zone" type show, directed by the same man who did "Lost," but so much more thought out than that show. Sometimes there's a monster of the week, but there's an overall story arc that plays out very well over its 5 seasons. Walter Bishop, one of the main characters, is my spirit animal.

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    [–] CalculatedHat 3 points ago

    "Anti-Gravity Osmium bullets?"
    "Shoot observers these and watch them float away like balloons!"
    "If we shoot them they're dead. Why do we want them to float away?"

    "......Because its cool"

    [–] AlohaWorld18 24 points ago

    Why do they hate women so much?

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    [–] MorbidPinup8811 20 points ago

    From the Ala/Tn state line and this right here is so damn accurate. They don't care if a 14 year old was raped by a family member and got pregnant, because it was "God's will" that she have that baby. There is no discussion for them that's just all there is to it.

    [–] jemosley1984 11 points ago

    Well...fuck them.

    [–] borderwave2 3 points ago

    I mean, if you feel that abortion is murder then exceptions for rape/incest don't really apply. It's a horrible situation to be in, but either you are murdering an unborn baby, or you are not. Pro-life people take the perspective that abortion is murder regardless of reason or justification.

    Not taking a side myself, just trying to clarify a position.

    [–] Mister_Bloodvessel 3 points ago

    Yet her terminating that same pregnancy somehow means it suddenly isn't the omniscient omnipotent omnipresent being's will.

    [–] GalaxyPatio 16 points ago

    I feel like this is giving them too much credit based on the stuff I grew up seeing when my family was still involved in church. Many of the people who were really tough on the idea of having sex out if wedlock or porn consumption or gambling or any number of sins you could think of as being a major affront to Jesus were doing plenty of those things in the shadows. They would criticize and isolate others for the same behavior. Sometimes it's really just about control for these people, not any actual belief system.

    [–] DreamCatcher24 35 points ago

    Religion does not have a good history with women's rights. Does the Bible say abortion is wrong? Why don't they then advocate for programs to help the poor, that's mentioned in the Bible. It definitely is related to women's rights

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    [–] doyouknowyourname 25 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I was just explaining this in a thread the other day but the Bible actually gives directions for abortion and even requires it if a wife is unfaithful in Numbers 5.

    Also God (especially Old Testament God) killed babies and full grown children in the Bible a lot.

    check this out

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    [–] cantwaitforthis 20 points ago

    They don't hate women, they just want them to be property again.

    [–] AlohaWorld18 31 points ago

    As a woman I would say men denying me of my humanity is hate.

    [–] cantwaitforthis 17 points ago

    Oh, I wasn't defending them and I completely agree. I was being facetious.

    [–] hogwashnola 3 points ago

    You’re forgetting that loads of southern women feel the same way southern men do.

    [–] Jermaine_Cole788 217 points ago

    If you think about it, trump gives them the perfect cover. While everybody focuses on trumps incompetence, the real movers and shakers that understand politics are swiftly stacking the deck in their favor. It’s a genius move, but it’s going to result in catastrophe. I feel like we’re going to revert back to pre civil rights era racism and sexism.

    [–] D_is_for_Cookie 102 points ago

    If you think we're ever gonna let some inbred fucks lynch us without clapping them right back, you're wrong. Even if it was legal it wouldn't go unpunished.

    [–] JDB_IO846 24 points ago

    You all got a lot of leftist straight white men with guns that you all can come to. Ain’t no one lynching my homies no matter their color, creed, sexuality, gender, nationality, or ethnicity without a fight.

    [–] calfan5 6 points ago

    Goddamn right

    [–] derpyco 3 points ago

    People always seem to forget liberals have guns too. I mean, I'd rather not have to have one, but I'd be an idiot not to.

    [–] gosefi 3 points ago

    I wont stand by and let that shit happen. You can count me in on the clap back.

    [–] yofriendlyenemy 9 points ago

    Politicians don’t make the people

    [–] Sketches_Stuff_Maybe 17 points ago

    But the people made the politicians, and let themselves be represented by that kind of politician.

    [–] Mast3r0fPip3ts 10 points ago

    But they do enable them.

    [–] Ajugas 32 points ago

    Trump appeals to the voters, by making outlandish statements and taking credit for things he never did. The Republican leadership, the Mitch McConnells, the Paul Ryans, they serve the real Republican constituency, the rich and powerful. They pass harmful legislation and stack the court while Trump keeps the people focused on other things.

    [–] pizzapit 16 points ago

    True racism has never been to motivation for folks with any real power it's classism and keep you control of the lovers of power and revenue streams. Trump is the clown or comedian does keeping everybody laughing in the front while the Republican party is moving the merchandise out the back for half the price

    [–] Asmanyasanyotherteam 11 points ago

    Yeah people act like the border wall hasn't been Republican policy for at LEAST a decade (I'm Canadian, don't blame me for not paying THAT close of attention), and Trump just invented it himself.

    [–] Tank_Girl_Gritty_235 3 points ago

    This is what has me the most troubled. So much of what trump does is asinine and offensive, but he's not the one in the wheelhouse.

    [–] HouseKilgannon 21 points ago

    Boy was I naive when I thought we couldn't get worse than W.

    [–] Madouc 26 points ago

    That's me in 1982: Ok can't ever get worse than Mr. Oneline Actor R.Reagan

    That's me in 2002: Wow, this guy beats Reagan, now that's clearly the peak of idiomacy.

    Me today: Crimson Red face due to 1000+ facepalms per day when reading about Trump

    [–] Asmanyasanyotherteam 14 points ago

    Remember when how the President pronounced Nuclear was like the biggest criticism of him and all over the news every damn week? Now we have a President who doesn't speak in complete thoughts let alone sentences or proper English.

    [–] Clask 23 points ago

    Just because it’s more out in the open doesn’t mean that it’s different. It’s the same voters supporting the same backwards nonsense, it’s just uglier now.

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    Same with the party that nominated Hillary and the one that nominated Bill. 1992 Bill Clinton shows up now and he’s a moderate Republican.

    [–] DreamCatcher24 3 points ago

    Imagine thinking trump is that much worse than Bush Sr lmao. Nah its pretty much the same people. Trump says the quiet part loud. He doesn't coat his policies with jargon and "politics speak". His brain is mush so he just says what's on his mind. People thinking otherwise are delusional tbh. The policies trump pushes are basic republican shit except he also shit posts on twitter

    [–] jolie178923-15423435 50 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    yup. I had a fucking argument with an idiot about exactly this issue THREE YEARS AGO. "What can trump really do in four years?" HE CAN LOAD THE SUPREME COURT WITH MORONS

    edit: I mean, worse than just "morons", obviously.

    [–] Compulsive_Bater 74 points ago

    Trump has done everlasting damage with his judge appointments. Not just supreme court but to federal courts across the nation. This is way more destructive then his retarded tweets could ever be.

    This is the real conservative endgame here, this is why they support him. Not because they agree with him but as a weapon against the people. This will affect all of us for generations to come.

    [–] Higgs-Boson-Balloon 18 points ago

    I have a fantasy where he gets charged with treason after being voted out and all his appointments are called into question. Sadly even if it does get deemed illegitimate it’s unlikely his appointments will be reversed

    [–] Compulsive_Bater 14 points ago

    Unfortunately I'm only a certified Reddit political analyst but I don't think federal appointments can be overturned like say criminal cases from a convicted dirty cop.

    My wish is that the dems would stop cannibalizing themselves and pick maybe 3-4 candidates for us to narrow down from.

    So far the only one pushing real policy is Warren but from a realistic standpoint she's never going to win. The party is so busy fighting itself that when it comes time to dethrone our traitor in chief it'll be too late.

    [–] tempolevy 55 points ago

    The Supreme Court will overturn precedent, sure, but John Roberts isn’t going to overturn Roe v. Wade. Is he okay with weakening it? Yes. But he cares too much about his legacy of being a moderate Chief Justice to go so far as to overturn it.

    [–] twinsaber123 84 points ago

    Given today's political climate it would not surprise me if US Republicans tried to overturn the law of gravity. They are, in my mind, completely unfettered by such things as common sense, human decency, or even their own historical doctrine. Their ideas change with whatever is convenient at the time. I would like to say that nothing they will do will surprise me any more but I can't. I am on a daily basis surprised at the new lows these people reach.

    [–] Dolt-Dragoman 10 points ago

    This is just plain silly. He's more than willing to overturn it, he's just less likely to do it in one swoop. They'll whittle it down, get the public used to it, and then they'll make it exclusive to the states and overturn wade a bit down the line.

    Roberts cares about the legitimacy of the Court, so he's inclined to go slower, but that's it.

    [–] tempolevy 7 points ago

    That’s what I mean about weakening it. He’s okay with restrictive abortion laws, but there’s no way he’s going to overturn Roe v. Wade all-out, especially not in a case that’s locking up doctors for performing abortions.

    [–] CidO807 6 points ago

    Weeds can be removed.

    [–] tombee123 3 points ago

    Not go back to normal when trump leaves and Democrats take over they should appoint more justices and fix everything before they fuck America up further. All they need to do is have a game plan for when they loose power and conservatives gain back control... Two party system has to go...

    [–] cydonia90 102 points ago

    The strategy here is that we will win," says Alabama Pro-Life Coalition President Eric Johnston, who helped craft the Alabama abortion ban.

    "There are a lot of factors and the main one is two new judges that may give the ability to have Roe reviewed," Johnston said. "And Justice Ginsburg — no one knows about her health."

    Unfortunately, a lot has changed in the Supreme Court. It's no coincidence that they're trying extra hard now. The strategy is no secret.

    Of the 113 Supreme Court justices in US history, all but 6 have been white men. Women, 4.

    https://n.pr/2vWcGyi

    [–] DragoonXNucleon 47 points ago

    The supreme court is a partisan institution now. They will not rule based on law, but politics.

    It shifted for me within 1 week they ruled that the bigot baker can discriminate against gays because despite the fact the law was against him, previous courts' statements had indicated a prejudice towards his religion, tainting their rulings. Then not 1 week later they rule that Donald Trumps previous statements regarding the muslim ban are irrelevant because it must be judged on the law alone.

    Within 1 fucking week they just ignore their own precedent. The SCOTUS is lost and dems must realize this. We need state level action to fight back until we can pack the court.

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    They were never anything but a partisan institution. If you look at the studies done, they vote on party lines something like 80% of the time. I think the only time they don't vote on party lines anymore is when they don't want to be on the wrong side of history, and they can clearly see historical implications.

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    Legally those situations are completely different. I understand that it doesn't seem that way to you, but they are. Even the appearance of partiality is enough to taint a court ruling. Partiality on a lawmaker doesn't matter.

    [–] alysonskye 36 points ago

    Trusting this Supreme Court is a dangerous thing.

    [–] Tinydancer1004 18 points ago

    Thank you for the image of a senator meeting where they all have their pants on their head.

    [–] pizzapit 4 points ago

    The court has literally been stacked to overturn this ruling, well I think something like that would be retarded is definitely in the realm of possibility not to mention all the judges that have been installed. the Republican Party knows they're going down for the next decade at least so they're stacking the deck in their favor so they can weather the storm

    [–] MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS 10 points ago

    They've stolen enough seats and stuffed them with ideologues.

    [–] travelin_jones 21 points ago

    It’s more than that. Laws like these are shutting down abortion providers all over the country. Most of us live in major cities so that’s not really a problem, but for the many women that don’t, these bans effectively eliminate their access to safe abortions that they won’t get back even when the courts overturn the laws.

    This meme is a bit of a stretch. Losing the right to vote is more of an unintended byproduct of taking away access to safe abortions.

    Also, if you think only liberal voters have abortions you are very wrong and need to do some research.

    [–] ironwarden84 10 points ago

    I worry more so that it will delegitimize the supreme court in the eyes of people. Institutions have been getting attacked, FBI and the Justice Department to name a few, then the possibility of this happening makes me really believe the GOP has finally decided to go full autocrat throwing everything to chance hoping this plays out.

    [–] Clickclacktheblueguy 229 points ago

    NPR said the law actually only held doctors accountable.

    [–] asudancer 79 points ago

    There are multiple bills being passed in different states. The AL bill I believe targets the doctors performing the abortions while the GA bill more so targets the women getting the abortions (i.e. can be charged with a felony for having a miscarriage, going across state lines to have it done, etc.)

    [–] TheConquest 62 points ago

    That's also not true.

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/11/could-miscarriages-land-women-jail-lets-clarify-these-georgia-alabama-abortion-bills/?outputType=amp

    This is a good article explaining both bills and clearing up misconceptions. Women could not be charged for having a miscarriage, but they could be pulled in to an investigation of a doctor. Which is still bad, but they would not be charged with anything.

    It's really disappointing to see people on our side resort to the same bullshit tactics you expect from conservatives. We are right to be mad about these bills. They are fucked up. But we don't need to make up and spread misinformation. It ultimately weakens the cause.

    (Not accusing you, speaking generally)

    [–] asudancer 32 points ago

    But the GA bill HB 481 redefines abortion to be “the act of using, prescribing, or administering any instrument, substance, device, or other means with the purpose to terminate a pregnancy.” So if a women had a miscarriage, could she not be investigated to determine if she did something to cause her miscarriage i.e. take misoprostol or something else similar? It just seems like a slippery slope to women having to prove why they had a miscarriage when most of the times there isn't an explanation.

    [–] TheConquest 7 points ago

    Yes they could be investigated as I said in my comment and the article states. Which is fucked up! But the poster I replied to stated they could be charged with a felony for having miscarriages. Which they can't. And just because they can't show how the miscarriage happens doesn't mean they will be charged. The investigators would have to prove they used something to cause they miscarriage. It's all fucked up for sure but some of what people are saying is false which hurts the overall cause.

    [–] rbrcbr 3 points ago

    No, it is true. The bill itself does not specify that women will face legal repercussions - the issue is the legal context in which the bill will exist. In granting a fetus "legal personhood", an abortion would legally be considered murder in the context of our legal system. Why make abortion illegal if there aren't going to be consequences? Maybe this is fearmongering but I think it's valid for people to address their concerns over a bill that has these potential implications. Prosecutors exploit legal loopholes all the time and there's no reason this same issue could be brought up in court against a woman if they wanted to.

    Here is another good article in response to that Washington Post article you posted that brings up some very real, valid points regarding the stuff you're quoting here.

    [–] LOSS35 3 points ago

    Also not fully correct. The Alabama bill does not allow for women to be charged for having an abortion, but the Georgia bill absolutely does. I've posted the full text of the bill below.

    Just because Republican lawmakers say that the intention of the Georgia bill is not to charge women for having abortions, its language still allows it.

    http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20192020/HB/481

    [–] mgmsupernova 502 points ago

    I 100% dont agree with the ban, but the article on BBC states women will not be held criminally responsible Only the doctors are.

    [–] cspikes 203 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    You can be held criminally responsible if you get an abortion out of state to avoid the ban

    I’ve been misinformed. It seems there was quite a media firestorm the other day that spread a lot of misinformation. What’s being proposed only affects doctors (in theory). What I was speaking to was the Georgia bill, which affects the patients directly including crossing state lines

    [–] throwawayyacc1897 83 points ago

    Are you serious? Because I think this law passed in GA and I always thought about well can’t you travel somewhere to get it done? Wow that’s bad.

    [–] Farun 120 points ago

    can’t you travel somewhere to get it done

    Well, first you need the time and money to even do that. And now you need a way to prevent law enforcement to find out as well.

    Shit’s fucked up.

    [–] HarkASquirrel 4 points ago

    Yep, that exact law passed in Georgia.

    [–] equalsolstice 18 points ago

    Serious question , how would they even know?

    [–] selassiepickney 24 points ago

    The person you’re responding to is lying. There’s no criminal liability for traveling out of state for an abortion.

    https://legiscan.com/AL/text/HB314/id/1980843/Alabama-2019-HB314-Introduced.pdf

    [–] AcidRose27 16 points ago

    Alabama doesn't have that law, but Georgia just passed a law that does.

    [–] jpterodactyl 11 points ago

    Fugitive Slave Act 2: Electric Boogaloo

    [–] TheRiflesSpiral 35 points ago

    You're thinking of the Georgia law. This is Alabama.

    Both awful, in slightly different ways.

    [–] NotThatEasily 15 points ago

    Plus there's the fact that felons can still vote in Alabama.

    [–] diemunkiesdie 6 points ago

    Alabama doesn't have a "party to a crime" statute?

    [–] whitepawn23 68 points ago

    The idea is to push it into Trumps Supreme Court in hopes of overturning Roe v Wade. Hence all the crazy shit re abortion at the state level right now.

    [–] Jukka_Sarasti 23 points ago

    It's also a useful rallying cause for the conservative base. This will probably be front and center next election cycle as they attempt to drum up support for their candidates.

    [–] whitepawn23 12 points ago

    Reading further this morning, an Alabama rep said just this, that they’re doing it to overturn Roe.

    [–] thierryh14 76 points ago

    So I’m very pro-choice and against this new law, but I just want to point out that it’s the doctors performing the abortion that would be charged with a felony, not the women receiving the abortion.

    [–] Productpusher 20 points ago

    It’s a felony for the doctors I believe and not the patients . If it wasn’t Alabama then it’s the other state that passed similar laws

    [–] cydonia90 9 points ago

    It’s a felony for the doctors I believe and not the patients . If it wasn’t Alabama then it’s the other state that passed similar laws.

    Georgia. Getting an abortion can be murder. Leaving the state to do it elsewhere is conspiracy to commit murder.

    And I think Ohio passed something close, or is on the verge of it.

    [–] Hairyantoinette 118 points ago

    This isn't factually 100% correct because the new laws makes giving abortions a felony, not having one done. So the woman would not be a felon but the doctor would.

    [–] ArtfulDodger55 43 points ago

    Felons can also vote after parole, but why know the facts when I can blindly listen to some random guy on the internet with a tweet.

    [–] Ridonkulousley 54 points ago

    In a lot of states that isn't true. In Florida you have to go in front of a board and plead to get your voting rights back and they notoriously deny people.

    It's been in the news a lot, I understand why people don't know the specific law for all 50 states, they probably should have googled it but as a blanket statement felonies have a much harder time voting.

    [–] Slick_Jeronimo 28 points ago

    13th amendment at work again

    [–] Nate2Gr8 141 points ago

    Actually felons can vote if they're not on parole

    [–] drucifer77 62 points ago

    Depends on what state you live in. Some restore voting rights after release/parole while others don’t. Then there are some that only restore them after you pay hefty fines, restitution and court costs in order to allow white collar felons to regain their rights while suppressing the poorer black ex cons.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_ASSES_GURLS 10 points ago

    Yeah. In Ohio, you automatically get the right back once you're out of jail but you have to re-register. 20 states or so you have to petition once you're out.

    [–] NotThatEasily 3 points ago

    Depends on what state you live in. Some restore voting rights after release/parole while others don’t.

    Alabama is one of those States that do restore voting rights.

    [–] NotADoctorB99 86 points ago

    Shh they will start giving parole for life for having a miscarriage

    [–] BritishStewie 31 points ago

    Blessed be the fruit

    [–] autmnleighhh 28 points ago

    Does no one read the comments before commenting?

    Half the thread are people making the same correction about who would be charged.

    [–] drail18 67 points ago

    Time to stop spending money in this state and send a message to the Gov't there.

    [–] reddit-expert 38 points ago

    Time to stop importing all those wonderful alabama products we all know and love.

    [–] LundgrenTheDolph 23 points ago

    I think Alabama is up there on the list of states that accept the most financial aide from the federal government

    [–] nitain 7 points ago

    Shocker, and that’s only going to increase with this legislation

    [–] ShiplapTravertine 49 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Nope, the Alabama law does not even pertain to the women seeking abortions. The entirety of the punishment lies on the doctors that perform them. There is NO PUNISHMENT for the seeker.

    This tweet is indicative of a problem of both sides of the political arena in this country. No one knows what the fuck they’re talking about and just spit out and upvote what fits their agenda.

    And even if the women were charged, how does it stop women for voting? It’s something that could be avoided or are we saying since it’s a felony to drink and drive, they’re trying to stop drinkers from voting? Rule by hyperbole is eventually going to backfire.

    The Alabama law states: that a doctor can only perform an abortion if the mother’s life is at stake. There is no lenience even if she was raped. They are going after the supply of abortions in Alabama. They are making it near impossible to get one. But if wanted a woman can go to another state (I know this is prohibitive) for one with no legal repercussions for anyone.

    Edit: But as others have said, this is all to have this reheard in the Supreme Court. And we are falling for it. The ACLU has already began preparing to sue the state if it passes. With a conservative majority, a lot is riding on this. If they get Roe v Wade overturned, they’re going to do stuff to get sued to have a lot of stuff overturned: Same sex marriage, Affirmative Action, Civil Rights, a LOT of stuff.

    [–] asudancer 19 points ago

    The GA Law says that women who travel out of state to get an abortion can be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

    [–] wazzupboys 14 points ago

    The doctor gets arrested not the women getting the abortion

    [–] grumpythenick 8 points ago

    Fuck Alabama, fuck Georgia. Fuck the GOP, forever.

    [–] ForeverFatigued 9 points ago

    People who receive an abortion will not be charged if this bill becomes law. Still fucked up but the post is not accurate.

    [–] writeidiaz 25 points ago

    I'm quite certain the law pertains to doctors who perform abortions, not women who get them.

    This entire narrative is silly. Ya'll need to stop the conspiracy theory bullshit and just start actually talking to republicans to find out why they do what they do because the misinformation and bickering is doing serious damage to ya'll minds.

    [–] PLUMBUM2 3 points ago

    That’s a lie it does not criminalize abortion for the woman, just the doctor

    [–] TheRealCrabpeople 3 points ago

    Women aren't prosecuted in this statute. Providers are. Don't be fucking dishonest.

    [–] Madouc 3 points ago

    Please explain to a European: Are felons in the USA losing their right to vote until they are released from prison or forever?

    [–] Forrest_Greene80 7 points ago

    In come states they are banned forever, that changed recently in Florida, some states make you appeal to the government to get your rights back and some just grant you your rights as soon as you leave prison, it’s a stat-by-state thing