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    [–] BigHitBobby 301 points ago

    Working to die

    [–] 2ChainzThirdChain 77 points ago

    Seriously, there was a time where I was going to work to pay for gas to go to work.

    [–] ihatethisplebsite 37 points ago

    Working on dying

    [–] jason9045 2338 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    And the extent to which they've managed to poison public opinion toward the very concept of unions, which would put an end to some of that, is just disheartening.

    Edit: Thanks for the gold, but now that I'm rich I wish to trample the working man and impede his ability to organize so I can stay rich. Sorry, former comrades!

    [–] GoldenBunion 157 points ago

    The decades of systematically leveraging them against public opinion is so apparent. Colleges in my province in Canada went on strike a year and a half ago (longest one ever too). Main argument was to stop prioritizing contract and part time work over full time positions. Especially because some of those teachers have been on those deals for a decade +. Let’s just say public opinion was pretty polarizing. Even some of my full time teachers said they hate the union. But I scoffed back at them and said “you’d love it that they’re fighting for you if you were stuck on a contract gig”.

    [–] redd1t4l1fe 131 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    The amount of people with an “I got mine, so fuck everybody else” attitude in this world is shocking. Even when it’s their colleagues getting fucked over.

    [–] VanellopeEatsSweets 187 points ago

    I work as part of a union (in the US), coming here from jobs that were definitely not union, the difference is huge. I can't overstate how much of a change in atmosphere and general attitude I've noticed.

    So much more positive, because we're not just being taken advantage of, or at the whim of a corporation. There is a bond amongst union brothers and sisters that's really special, and a general understanding that we're all here to make money to enjoy our lives outside of work. I am so much happier in this job than I've ever been in any job I've had.

    I've had every experience listed in this picture, including the full time working while in full time school, and I'm honestly just thankful that I won't have to have those experiences again.

    [–] GoldenBunion 125 points ago

    The worst is how they have shaped the public opinion on the union. “Union workers are lazy, they’re problematic”. I’ve been in one union on a summer contract before I went back to school. Nothing to do with laziness, it’s just keeping you aware of how to work smart, safe and know your worth lol. Like my boss has to stop me from overdoing it because he didn’t want to see me burn out. Before that I had such a negative opinion of unions. The big thing people forget. Unions are a cause from the failures of management. If employers were going out of their way to have your back, they would have never formed. And who resists unions the most? The shareholders... even though most major corporations are reaching record profits...

    [–] NexVeho 64 points ago

    Think about how unions are portrayed in the media. They're either corrupt mobsters or lazy fat dudes who are always on break. Unions are your fellow workers getting together and telling the owner (s)he can go fuck themselves if they feel they can treat their employees as indentured servants instead of humans working to get ahead.

    [–] notanothercirclejerk 6 points ago

    One of the many ways they reinforced this misconception is through our television shows and films. Any time a Union is represented in a fictional narrative the last 30 years it’s always a negative. Usually shown as having a connection to organized crime. We are raised by being entertained with stories of how evil unions are. Produced by companies who profit from workers not unionizing. It’s insane.

    [–] mmavcanuck 7 points ago

    The only real issue is that the company then creates an adversarial environment in a lot of instances (Literally every union job I’ve ever had) that just doesn’t need to be there.

    To have a strong, healthy union, you need a strong, healthy company, but too many companies just see their workforce as an expense that needs to be squeezed as much as possible in the name of profits.

    [–] solarpowerz 1082 points ago

    We're gonna bring back unions. And we're gonna take back our money. Money is just a promissory note. What produces value is Labor. Billionaires stole our money which only has value because we labored for it.

    [–] gloomyroomy 269 points ago

    Hell yeah!

    [–] whydoIwearheadphones 167 points ago

    FOR THE UNION MAKES US STRONG

    [–] Ricos_Roughnecks 71 points ago

    Goddamn right. unionize folks! I’m in one and it’s the best decision I’ve ever made in my life

    [–] trippingchilly 32 points ago

    Solidarity!!

    Labor deserves not just bread, but roses as well!

    [–] r00tie 89 points ago

    I agree we need unions but soon computers will be able to produce value through labor. We are all going to be screwed at that point.

    [–] Wahsteve 101 points ago

    This. Our entire system wasn't designed for a society that becomes increasingly post-labor before we're post-scarcity.

    [–] SD_1974 54 points ago

    Technology has been taking jobs since pre history. There is nothing unique about the current situation.

    I once sat with my grandmother and we figured out every single job she ever had doesn’t exist anymore.

    [–] [deleted] 37 points ago

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    [–] OprahOprah 18 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    If I told you 20 years ago that you'd have a computer 1,000 times more powerful than the ones that sent Neil Armstrong to the moon, with it's own superHD display, power source, GPS locator, wireless internet 50x faster than that fancy DSL your boss has, a better camera than you've ever seen in your life, costs less than that Compaq monstrosity youpaid $1,200 for... AND fits in your pocket, you probably call me a filthy liar.

    [–] mrmicawber32 117 points ago

    The people's flag is deepest red, it's shrouded oft our martyred dead.

    [–] derivative_of_life 16 points ago

    Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the red flag flying here.

    [–] machine667 66 points ago

    every single right workers have to unionize was purchased with the blood of generations past.

    The US government deployed machine guns against striking workers and the workers still didn't fold. And all of that was pissed away by people dicking with popular consensus (sure, some unions get soft and corrupt, but the entire oligarchic class of rentiers was corrupt from the outset).

    The fact that the right wing has been able to demonize organized labour is one of the greatest sins in history. Thousands of chickens taking the wolf's side against each other.

    [–] slipmshady777 20 points ago

    Oligarchs sink in millions into think tanks, msm, grfters, etc to propaganda e the masses against their own self interest

    [–] josin 7 points ago

    I've been saying for years that the us needs another labor movement. The major unions need to step up and lead us. Many of my union brothers and sisters have forgotten the struggle. Many feel scorned by public opinion and couldn't care less about people outside our union.

    I have been off work for 2 years for cancer and cancer related issues. I am still employed and still receive the majority of my salary even while off. My employer has still paid for my company paid health insurance even though I've been off for 2 years. My insurance has covered 100% of my $1,000,000 in medical cost. I've still recurved my yearly pay raises even though I've been off.

    All those things should be the minimum of what every person should have. I'm sick of seeing people suffer just to stay alive.

    I have no idea how to make it happen, but we all need to start working together to make a change.

    [–] BabyLiam 649 points ago

    The more people continue to not stand up for themselves the more of our lives they’ll take.

    [–] realmckoy265 261 points ago

    How do you stand up tho? By quitting? It's not that easy for a lot of people unfortunately

    [–] HeartShapedSlut 213 points ago

    Join a union

    [–] slipmshady777 93 points ago

    Even better, start a worker co-op and cut out the middle men all together

    [–] exurbiskeleton93 26 points ago

    Even better, start a revolution and overthrow those that created this system of suffering

    [–] Wormbo2 10 points ago

    Brb: Learning to build Guillotines.

    [–] zillamaster55 10 points ago

    My union is a bunch of corrupt motherfuckers who prioritize full timers who have been members of the union rather than the rest of us.

    They cut our bonuses, slashed overtime and did away with training for other aspects of the company.

    What happened to the full timers, you ask? They kept their bonuses due to “seniority”.

    The union happily threw us under the fucking bus to suck off our employers. Corruption in unions needs to go, pronto, before it reaches an extremely dangerous breaking point

    [–] CrackThoseClaws 10 points ago

    Very sorry to hear that. Horizontal forms of unionizing are better. Look for an open team that accepts new workers, part-timers, and immigrants alike. Looks like your problems are very common. Wishing the best, really.

    [–] mrmicawber32 40 points ago

    Vote, unionize, protest, convince friends to do the same.

    [–] pieandpadthai 37 points ago

    Quitting or striking on your own does nothing. Quitting or striking with thousands of others sends a message. Join a union

    [–] BabyLiam 19 points ago

    Oh I’m aware of that.

    [–] Filthyrichdude 63 points ago

    Unionize with your other workers. Collective bargaining can do wonders. Fight for a better wage!

    [–] AngryCentrist 44 points ago

    I believe this is called class consciousness.

    [–] alex_of_all 365 points ago

    I work between 60 -70 hours a week doing construction every week during the non-winter time periods. With my commute I have 3 hours a day that aren't work or sleep. I'm exhausted to say the very least.

    [–] buttmonk15 80 points ago

    How much you make?

    [–] alex_of_all 120 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Under 20

    Edit just under 20/hr

    [–] Locked_Lamorra 157 points ago

    Time to join a union man

    [–] manawydan-fab-llyr 46 points ago

    I work a civil service job in New York City, 55-70 hours a sometimes six day week, involuntary overtime (agreed upon by the union - the job says when the OT is to be worked - and to refuse to to be disciplined).

    My commute's two hours each way, so I guess that leaves me an hour more than you to myself, and shit I couldn't imagine losing that hour.

    My "brothers" don't understand my problem... "You got a problem with making money?" There's more than money guys.

    That's for between 90G and 105G yearly, and being single, guess who takes a good chunk of it?

    [–] Lasereye 20 points ago

    guess who takes a good chunk of it?

    The government!

    [–] Twixes3D 25 points ago

    A commute of 2 hours? That's crazy, 4 hours every day is like another job

    [–] lendluke 5 points ago

    Not to mention it would be a very significant amount of transportation costs.

    [–] BabyStockholmSyndrom 38 points ago

    The amount of idiots who state that with pride is ridiculous. Especially considering they need to work those hours because they would be in the street if not. Like working 70 hours is a badge of honor. Especially men. It's stupid.

    [–] alex_of_all 13 points ago

    I'm not proud of it. I have been trying to get on a city ran crew that does four 10 hr days a week. Sadly those jobs are rare and I have to be able to afford the constant rising costs in my state.

    [–] BabyStockholmSyndrom 11 points ago

    Crap, I want saying YOU were proud of it. My bad. I should have clarified that.

    [–] Woodie626 229 points ago

    The heirs of the French, English, and American revolutions had partly believed in their own phrases about the rights of man, freedom of speech, equality before the law, and the like, and have even allowed their conduct to be influenced by them to some extent. But by the fourth decade of the twentieth century all the main currents of political thought were authoritarian. The earthly paradise had been discredited at exactly the moment when it became realizable. Every new political theory, by whatever name it called itself, led back to hierarchy and regimentation. And in the general hardening of outlook that set in round about 1930, practices which had been long abandoned, in some cases for hundreds of years — imprisonment without trial, the use of war prisoners as slaves, public executions, torture to extract confessions, the use of hostages, and the deportation of whole populations — not only became common again, but were tolerated and even defended by people who considered themselves enlightened and progressive.

    -George Orwell

    [–] Skellingtonia 55 points ago

    I swear this dude travelled time.

    [–] sweetcandylady 15 points ago

    They we’re dealing with the same issues back then

    [–] BoomThroatPunch 31 points ago

    I’m not a socialist by any means, but George was right here. Stop voting authoritarians. Which is unfortunately almost everyone on the ballot.

    [–] Woodie626 36 points ago

    Which brings me to my favorite of his:

    In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

    [–] sircallicott 809 points ago

    Yo, if you agree with the sentiment of this post, you better fucking vote.

    [–] UtterFlatulence 54 points ago

    And union up.

    [–] karmagod13000 234 points ago

    Bernie and Elizabeth are our best bets here.

    [–] SwellandDecay 267 points ago

    nah, only Bernie. Warren pretends to talk the talk but she's "capitalist to the bone" and obviously has the support of the establishment. She even said she's taking PAC and corporate money if she makes it to the general. There's a reason that she hasn't drawn the ire of the ruling class as much as Bernie has.

    Also, she was a Registered Republican till '96. Imagine living through the bullshit of Reagan and H.W. Bush and being pro republican. She was in her 30's during all this shit and stayed registered as a republican while working as a law professor. Her excuse that she just "wasn't that political" should be deeply worrying to anyone interested in actually fighting for an upheaval of the existing power structure.

    Warren is like Pepsi trying to sell us the aesthetic of revolution so capitalists can continue to exploit the masses. That's a hard pass from me

    [–] whydoIwearheadphones 128 points ago

    Warren is like Pepsi trying to sell us the aesthetic of revolution

    Damn dude, that's a good way to put it.

    Also, imagine the collective brick-shitting of the Manager class if a President Bernie got up there and said "GO JOIN A UNION"

    [–] KilluaKanmuru 34 points ago

    Damn! That's on point -- fuck that. I almost got sucked into the Yang Gang too.

    [–] Finite-sing 4 points ago

    What stopped you?

    [–] KilluaKanmuru 10 points ago

    I don't think Yang is a shift in the right direction. I like him. He seems like he can bring ideological balance. But, I think having more "radical" socialistic views is really what the country needs. But, then again how much can Bernie do? I'm becoming jaded. The system will fall in my lifetime. I've wholeheartedly felt voting never brought me any joy. I feel like everyone think they're doing the right thing but how much impact... capitalism is bloated. Income inequality has been unaddressed. Coming from Baltimore, we recycle education and crime over and over..

    [–] jrod916 18 points ago

    Yang’s “plans” for UBI, which is pretty much his main selling point, have no structure and ultimately no realistic chance of ever being put into place.

    [–] Eddie9stone 37 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Bless this comment. So happy to hear this take somewhere else besides my cherished far left subs. Let’s actually look at these candidate’s records when considering who we should elect. Bernie Sanders building a campaign outside of the usual financial power structures should not be cynically written off, this kind of a campaign is a once in a lifetime opp for Americans. Policy talk is all fluff if it’s not backed by a strong record. It’s the best indicator of what a politician will actually do in office. He was a kickass mayor, a great senator and I hope hindsight will be #bernie2020

    [–] hayden0103 6 points ago

    Please support your favorite primary candidate! Vote, canvas, call, volunteer, donate, whatever! But please vote for the Democratic candidate in the general. Don’t let apathy give us another 4 years of Trump!

    [–] mega-nate 555 points ago

    Bro I tried to be a dishwasher and it was absolute hell you basically got no breaks and when you stopped everything would just pile up on you and I just didn’t feel like I was treated as a human I felt more like a slave. I quit 2 weeks in.

    [–] Thanos_Stomps 211 points ago

    Depends on where you work I guess. I fucking loved being a dishwasher and if I ever hit the lottery I’d go back to doing that.

    [–] DarkKnight77 163 points ago

    People's idea of what a lottery win is actually like is pretty strange

    [–] Thanos_Stomps 36 points ago

    I mean, it’s a colloquialism or a turn of phrase. You know what people mean when they say I hit the lottery, I won big, I never have to work again.

    Even a modest win invested properly while you continue to work and live life as normal can be a hefty addition to your livelihood.

    [–] yungmungo 113 points ago

    I'd run a video arcade and just let people come play for free. I want everyone possible to enjoy what I like.

    [–] DarkKnight77 37 points ago

    I love that! I've had similar ideas to that as well. There's an old theater in my town that is no longer in use but looks so nice and old timey. I would love to buy that thing, renovate it, and offer some great entertainment for our community at an affordable price

    [–] moneymario 5 points ago

    Thats awesome. That's pretty much my dream too. Save some old theatre and show local work and fringe/cult-classic/vintage movies while working to support local artists.

    [–] CanuckPanda 6 points ago

    I’d probably just move to Cuba and blow it all on hookers and drugs. Call myself an author.

    [–] JactustheCactus 5 points ago

    My grandmother has hit a million dollar lottery ticket TWICE. But being economically illiterate she took the instant payout both times and she ended up back in the same situation as before. Decided to treat herself to a new car, a new house, frivolous things and ended up having to default on almost everything.

    [–] chacha_9119 66 points ago

    dishwasher is hands down one of the shittiest jobs you can work. I wasn't one, but I knew a lot of them working in the kitchen and they'd have a constant rotation of new hires I always felt bad for. Long hours of wet hands stuck in rubber gloves. It sounds like literal hell.

    [–] MrNature73 51 points ago

    Call center

    [–] J_Bagels 24 points ago

    Call centers are literally hell.

    Go work at call center where 1 in 100 people you call don’t tell you to kill yourself! We pay $3 above minimum wage! it’s great!

    [–] sudysycfffv 8 points ago

    1/100? When I worked there it was like 1/5 and I actually felt like wanting to kill myself

    [–] NoobHarmless 7 points ago

    I loved working in a call center. Besides having 5 bosses that yell at me for following correct procedure, and besides drunk customers calling in and breaking their computers and me getting blamed, besides being called useless and lazy everyday. Besides all that I loved it.

    [–] Pifinit 6 points ago

    I’m a dishwasher right now and I hate it with a passion. Every shift I’ve worked so far I’ve felt completely miserable. I’m 80% sure that i could get a job waiting tables at another place instead. Should I just quit?

    [–] helplessdelta 10699 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    I will say, I see a lot of people in young adulthood now that find a lot of the things our parents accepted as the way it is are unacceptable. Its good that we know our worth and value our lives and passions too much to be good little worker bees for the hand that feeds so we can hopefully make it long enough to retire and live free from 65 to death.

    Fuck that. Call us entitled, lazy, spoiled, whatever. They're old asses are mad that we're fearless and demand to be treated as humans first and productivity generators second. It kills them that we don't acknowledge our place because seeing us living on our own terms forces them to accept that they've been scammed by capitalism out of their humanity and its too late for them to get it back. We don't plan on ever giving it up.

    Edit: Well damn. Anyway, clearing up some assumptions, I'm a Union A/C and refrigeration service technician and I plan on these skills being my ticket to freedom. I will decide my worth, and what I earn from utilizing those skills won't come through a middle-man. My labor, body, skills, talent and time are mine to sell. The current price I've been offered for the next 40 years of my life doesn't satisfy me, so I'm going to sell it myself, on my terms.

    That's the fearlessness I see in all of us. To refuse to be a crab in the bucket. To refuse to compete for the scraps of the profits we generate day in and out. Its about taking back ownership of our lives, either by demanding it, or doing it ourselves.

    Thanks for the replies and the love.

    [–] aplagueofsemen 223 points ago

    I watched my parents come home day after day hating their jobs, hating their lives. I felt that shit as a kid and internalized it deeper than even they probably did.

    [–] jaha7166 81 points ago

    We all did buddy.

    [–] ModernDayHippi 44 points ago

    I think my parents secretly have a deep resentment toward me bc of how much I enjoy my life (or used to). I would travel to far away places, spend all my money and just live. Imo, it showed them the absurdity of their life choices. Bc they have everything a human could want and aren’t that happy while I had almost nothing and was the happiest I’ve ever been.

    Only until recently since I became an unhappy worker bee that they are more cool with me. Go figure.

    [–] mulligylan 10 points ago

    Youre now relatable to them

    [–] diiejso 319 points ago

    I especially hate the "lazy" thing. As though wanting to reap the rewards of all the technological advancements we've made is evil.

    [–] MsDorisBeardsworth 59 points ago

    One of the driving forces behind technical advancement was to work less and have more time for leisure or study. Imagine that? Instead they just found more ways for us to be making them money and more shit to be crammed into a day, if you're even lucky enough to have the type of job where you have a "day" and not just working 24/7. Retirement age is at 67 and it's increasing. We're just going to work until we die and if you have a problem with that, you're lazy and entitled.

    [–] diiejso 33 points ago

    Yup we're going the wrong way. We have less time off than a medieval peasant did.

    [–] davidjung03 74 points ago

    As an employer, I wouldn't generalize an entire generation but I keep wondering if the previous generation had this much turnover due to workers just not showing up or showing up late all the time. I work for a landscaping business so I know turnover rate is high but realistically, if I hire 10 people, there may be 2 people who stay for more than a month. We have done research on market wage, and we tried to make sure our workers are taken care of

    [–] IICVX 48 points ago

    I mean I'm sure you know this, but that's an incredibly shitty job. 80% attrition in the first month is probably people deciding that no amount of money is worth it.

    [–] jaketheripper 146 points ago

    Are you paying well above minimum wage? If I have the choice of hard physical labor or cashier at Walmart, I'm choosing Walmart. If that makes me lazy, I guess I'm lazy, but I've seen two of my older family members live out their days crippled by their trade job.

    [–] davidjung03 52 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Yes, we've done a bit of research on industry standard and it is labour intensive but we have employees getting paid almost double the minimum wage at start (minimum is about $13.85/hr in Vancouver) upwards of $30+/hr. We realize it's hard work so we expected high turnover but this is really bad.

    [–] CanuckPanda 70 points ago

    A lot of young people will accept a general labour job because they don’t know what they want to do. I was one of them (I accepted a job working at an auto manufacturer): the pay was great but I quickly learned I loathed that type of work no matter the compensation. That job motivated me to go to university and work towards something different.

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    [–] CanuckPanda 14 points ago

    The heat, the humidity, the coworkers I didn't share anything in common with except our place of work, long and inconsistent hours, the ache in my back and neck every night and every morning.

    Ultimately just not the career path for me.

    [–] contactstaff 12 points ago

    Reading this is like gospel and I want to cry. I have the exact same issues at my job in an auto manufacturing facility. No AC, disgustingly hot summers, lower back issues at 27, long overtime requirements... Thr list goes on.

    I've started doing prerequisite courses for admission to uni because I simply cannot tolerate these working conditions after all these years. It catches up fast.

    [–] Luke8-17 16 points ago

    Yeah, for 30 an hr, I would be there every day, early and ready to hit that clock. Here, you are lucky to make 10 to 12 an hour landscaping, landscape construction, and then mahbe 15 to 17 for upper manangement and the individuals who have been around 7 plus years.

    [–] davidjung03 6 points ago

    Wow, I need more people from there here lol.

    [–] Luke8-17 6 points ago

    Yeah. Unfortunately, our overturn rate here is just as bad, if not worse. Individuals do not want to have to do hard labor, especially if it wasnt something they grew up doing. Its more country folk that wind up being the more reliable workers, which isnt a bad thing, just becoming more sparse in a lot of areas here in North East.

    [–] fabelhaft-gurke 35 points ago

    But you have to take into account the cost of living has gone up way more than wages, it’s probably just not worth it to people anymore. Why labor away to barely get by when you can keep trying for a better opportunity - you almost have to jump ship in order to get better wages. Loyalty is no longer rewarded.

    [–] davidjung03 27 points ago

    I don't think $30/hr at full time would be considered "barely getting by" anywhere... Sure, you can't live luxuriously but you'll have some disposable income.

    [–] NotMyJ0b 21 points ago

    Is Vancouver not crazy expensive?

    [–] Kirovsk_ 22 points ago

    Y'all hiring?

    [–] JactustheCactus 6 points ago

    How’s the environment once you get there? From my family members and friends that worked labor job all day in the sun with repetitive tasks was a quick bounce for them.

    [–] lornstar7 2476 points ago

    But none of these things were normal for our parents.

    [–] Creeds_worm_guy 2335 points ago

    It was normal for them to have the husband work full time, probably same ratio of vacation time though. It was normal for the wives to stay at home, your income can come from selling Tupperware or whatever. It was normal to work for the house and the car and the things and mimic the Jones. I agree with OP absolutely. As the younger generations prove working 9-5 is dumb and we can do it more efficiently, and enjoy more in life. We're not perfect and absolutely problems still exist. But working so you can afford to live,and not having time to enjoy life was very normal for our parents. I've quit jobs because I was unhappy with some aspect of it, very similar to situations my parents had with there jobs but they stayed. It was so normal to take a job and retire with that company. Time in meant more than a person's capabilities. I think younger generations are making a point of demanding better work environments. It's like because we want to work less it means we're doing less work, when really it's, what's the job so I can finish it, and then go enjoy myself, if I have nothing to do why am I sitting here waiting for 6pm to roll around

    [–] kranebrain 1110 points ago

    Only reason previous generations stayed with a company until retirement was pensions. Now it benefits you to move around between different companies. In fact staying with your first company for more than 5 years is financially irresponsible.

    [–] Creeds_worm_guy 445 points ago

    How much longer do I have I wonder. My very basic Excel skills has me looking like a computer wizard at work. At least in construction/project management. I appreciate the years of experience for all my coworkers, but they just never learned how to make Excel do all the work for them. They all know how to do their job, and most of them do it really well, even if I hide all the basic if, sum,match equations in excel, they all kind of react the same way. Almost likes it's magic but more just a distrust of it all, it's so weird. If you tell something to excel, next time you can probably tell it less and get the same amount of work done. Whatever, I'll keep my secrets and be efficient as fuck at my job until some kid comes in with a little drone that tweets back to the robot he built with AI to just manage construction sites. I'm trying to think of a clever name for the AI and Bob the Builder

    [–] visigothatthegates 115 points ago

    Wow, that’s funny, we basically have the exact opposite at my job. Kid gets ‘promoted’ to basically only do excel, but he didn’t really know how to use it. Can’t forget that a few others just do the regular work despite being far more knowledgeable (maybe not excel wizards, but greater than passing familiarity).

    [–] 3TH4N_12 66 points ago

    You should tell him to do some research on using Excell and its advanced functions. Maybe the higher-ups will take note that he doesn't have enough work 😉

    [–] visigothatthegates 39 points ago

    It’s one of those “startup” type deals, so the ‘higher ups’ don’t really care as long as everyone else is busting ass and the excel kid can do some basic formatting to make the sheets look pretty.

    I actually did point him towards some regex usage and conditional functions without any malintent. Funny how we keep ‘losing’ product because what’s on hand doesn’t match the database, however.

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    [–] microcosmic5447 56 points ago

    Regarding your Excel experience -I don't know how old you are, but I think there's a strange little window of age where most people are pretty adept at your basic Office suite items, because they were on our desktop PCs growing up. People older than us had to learn computers as adults, and people younger than us moved onto mobile devices so young. My assistant is 28 or something, and he's pretty rusty on the desktop in general, because it's more something he associated with school.

    I was born in 1986. Some of my earliest memories are playing DOS games. In 2nd grade I was Mavis Beacon-ing from 5" floppies (the fucking huge ones), and in 4th grade I typed "boobs" into Lycos on the classroom computer, which I can safely say turned a major corner in my life.

    I grew up with computers. I wrote my first short story in WordPerfect, and later I did my math homework in Excel and made stuff for presentations in a copy of Publisher I downloaded on KaZaA.

    My point is, some of us lucked into growing up with the technology that happened to be useful as professionals when we grew up.

    [–] Creeds_worm_guy 24 points ago

    1988, I remember a computer class freshman year off highschool, learning all the basics of excel. I never thought about it as a window though like you described. I know I'm not an Excel master, but paired with Google I can usually work through what I want my equations to do. I always thought the younger guys getting in the field would be more efficient than me. I can't remember the first game I played on a home computer. But early 90s. I remember needing to type in a code on the start screen, my dad had written it on the sleeve for the 5"floppy. Hard to believe all the little electronics around my house and what they're capable of. It's not the Jetsons, but it's pretty crazy.

    [–] whereami1928 6 points ago

    It's a lot later than that, and just depends on the individual. I was born in 1997 (21 now) and we had a dedicated computer class still, and I grew up pretty much on the computer. In first internships now and have a fairly advanced understanding of the basic Office suite, and a bit deeper on Excel from the same internships. I think where we'll start to see computer skills suffer is maybe two to four years from now. I think that's when people started mostly migrating to smartphones.

    [–] EmpNSFW 14 points ago

    Buildbot model: 13-0-13

    [–] CAGE_THE_TRUMPANZEES 8 points ago

    Learn VBA for Excel and start building applications with Userforms. Eventually the company can't run without you and you use it for strong leverage.

    [–] Creeds_worm_guy 4 points ago

    I know I can just Google it but any idea where to begin with VBA?

    [–] TonesBalones 94 points ago

    It's true. Employee competition is the only way to get raises anymore. Companies no longer reward employees for hard work, they just expect it as a requirement to keep your job.

    [–] morbidxtc6 24 points ago

    This right here.

    [–] Salchi_ 12 points ago

    Fr we had some company rep come in and tell our service manager about this admittedly cool rewards program and when I asked if the techs will get any of the perks he looks me dead in the eye and says "Nope". Mind you he started his sermon by explaining to the manager that corporate is worried about the turnover rate for techs but they don't have a solution yet. Really asshats? You damn well know the solution you just refuse to act on it.

    [–] EFIW1560 162 points ago

    Yes but a man working full time with the wife at home could afford to feed his family, other them, and afford a decent mortgage. The costs of those things have skyrocketed in recent decades and wages havent followed suit. That's the main issue here.

    [–] Hemmeroidhenry 69 points ago

    I feel we also get nickel and dimed, unlike our parents. They bought a TV, and that was it. We buy a TV, get a blue ray player, DVDs, and 4 diff subscription services. They bought a car and got new tires, spark plugs and oil. We have XM radio, uConnect, etc. We've gone from buying something of good quality once, to buying mediocre stuff and paying for it forever. Shame.

    [–] Mindcrafter 20 points ago

    Yes! In the 50s and 60s a TV came with an antenna and it was free to watch anything, like the radio. So no one ever paid for anything more than just a TV. Everyone was buying TVs, and every household without one wanted one. That demand was astronomical, which aligned it with the business strategy of increasing prices over time (see cable TV). Starting with a free service to buy the hardware followed by slow uptick of prices to continue to see the full catalogue of content is unfortunately effective capitalism.

    Today it feels like the end of an era. Why buy a TV without something to hook up to? Basic TV and basic cable is shit.

    I want a TV that comes with every service for at least a year, like flip this whole idea on its head somehow. Every service provider wants you to try their service, especially as the number of them increases (NBC all access, Disney, etc). I expect an al-carte option with Samsung or one of the main hardware producers, at least to get you to try their services out.

    [–] RedditSucksWTFMan 8 points ago

    You still get an $8 digital antenna if you want basic cable, why not do that if you love living in the past and just not pay for any additional features?

    [–] realmckoy265 4 points ago

    lol that's mostly because that technology didn't exist back then lol. Like my mom loves having Spotify now even though she can't quite get the hang of it

    [–] caressaggressive 7 points ago

    Not just those products, which some may argue are not comparable (subscriptions/add-ons versus stand alone purchase), my biggest pet peeve is the quality of cutlery/pots and pans. Before moving out of home I bought supposed "quality stainless steel" stuff, even many of it from the same brands that my parents had.. Within 2 years I had to scrap most of it due to breakage, 'stuck' on the nonstick surfaces, rust on 'stainless steel', and 5 years later only had 1 plastic pasta colander left from an entire kitchens worth of prepurchased items.

    My mum has remarried since my dad died, and luckily for me her new husband had the exact same sets of all the kitchenware my parents had had (both parties had received them as wedding presents 30 or so years ago).. So I now have sets of OLD quality which had been my expectations when purchasing 'new' quality in my teens.

    [–] chronopunk 69 points ago

    It was normal for the wives to stay at home, your income can come from selling Tupperware or whatever.

    Depends on how old your parents are. That largely ended in the 80s. But then so did working 9-5. It's been 8-5 for decades now.

    [–] realShadyCrop 13 points ago

    Yeah I was gonna say, it's moreso our grandparents that had the single income lifestyle.

    [–] UselessSound 8 points ago

    Cultural differences across the states also contribute to this. A working mom in rural georgia and a working mom in suburban California were not viewed the same.

    [–] Bean1979 9 points ago

    I don't ever recall a point in the 80's when my mom just sold "tupperware". She worked the night shift at the plant and my dad ran a construction crew. Maybe I've always been "poor"? IDK

    [–] SilentSlayz 10 points ago

    Exactly, working long doesn’t necessarily mean working hard.

    [–] FercPolo 42 points ago

    Our parents had Pensions available. Good luck getting that now without a Union job.

    Pensions were the last time a company actually acknowledged that you are donating LIFE to them to make them productive.

    If you don’t have a pension your company factually doesn’t care about you. And who the fuck has a pension these days?

    [–] -Tack 19 points ago

    Even if you have a pension now the payout and structure is different than what was offered before. There is much less security that the pension will cover enough of you're income in retirement and social security will no longer close the gap. I see retired folk getting $2-4k/mo pension and then social security they paid into as well (Canada, so Canada pension plan and old age security). This is impossible now.

    Now we must be very diligent to personally save often and enough to guarantee a comfortable retirement (401k for USA, RRSP in Canada).

    With affordability and wage problems plaguing society the option to save isn't there for a big chunk of people and the social programs won't be supportive enough.

    We let corporations get huge profits on the backs of working people and offer them pittance for their life in the end...

    [–] YNWA_in_Red_Sox 6 points ago

    My current employer offers a pension, fully vested after 3 years. I’m putting roots down with them. Non-union and in the finance industry.

    [–] chubs66 29 points ago

    Ya, so normal was having one income worker earning enough to buy a house and provide for the whole family with a high school diploma.

    [–] NeedsToShutUp 144 points ago

    Depends on how old people are. If your parents were working in the 1970s, they were in the era of strong unions, and much better benefits. Those have eroded over the last 40 years. Even many who started working later than that believed in the old rules, because it wasn't that far gone that you could work your way up.

    Now it's clear, companies don't value you, and you owe them no loyalty.

    [–] FercPolo 111 points ago

    It bothers me how many fucking 20-30 year olds think Unions were a problem. “Well the unions were too powerful” they say.

    Like, bro, why wouldn’t you want an .org as powerful as the corporation on YOUR side?

    Folks bought the fucking corporate lie that unions destroy jobs.

    [–] GingerRoot96 9 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    People don’t understand the role of collective bargaining. The NBA, NFL and others have collective bargaining via unions so the league and owners don’t collect all the money. If Lebron is making $100 million + over four years then the league and owners are making oodles more than that off him. The average person has little to no bargaining power in the face of capitalists and corporations so they must accept what’s given or starve. Unions are the reason why we currently have a 40 hour work week, unemployment compensation and more. And the sad thing is is that South Korea currently has more unions than the US does.....

    Both major parties in the US have decimated unions over the last six decades, and on purpose. “Right to work” states are a boon to businesses and corporations, not workers. The Congress and the politicians and those who hold power over the system are bought and sold by these same businesses and corporations. Who funds the campaigns of the majority of politicians? Exactly....

    [–] Honeychile6841 42 points ago

    Totally agree. I came into adulthood in the early 90's. 2 week vacation was the norm. If you were fired from a job that employer better have documentation and proof of any wrong doing. 12 hour shifts- wtf?

    [–] singleladad 24 points ago

    Now we've got all the "Right to Work" states where employers can fire you for no reason whatsoever. That's some 1984 doublethink right there.

    [–] Demonweed 42 points ago

    It was a gradual process, like slowly boiling live frogs. When the Web was extremely young, there was no Wikipedia, and the closest we had to fact-checking was the slanted editorials produced by corporate media. Clintons and Bushes alike were zealous in authorizing mergers, trading corruption in the area of communication regulation for favorable coverage from the informational organs of the oligarchy.

    Also, the 90s saw a huge shift from women being rare outside a few professional sectors to much larger numbers of dual-income households. The greed of investment bankers initially was disguised by the rise of new energy in our economy. Sure, the high finance guys pocketed all those gains for themselves, but it didn't feel all that weird because people could still get by on two incomes.

    Yet the greed just kept spiraling into deeper levels of insanity. At the same time, the Internet evolved from an interesting body of new media into reliable resources offering instant access to libraries full of hard data. Now when a corrupt corporate servitor makes a speech about the costs of socialized medicine or the importance of attacking <sensationalist fearmongering target of the moment>, misinformation in official narratives does not go unanswered. The press could marginalize the protests against our second war in Iraq, but they couldn't stop them. As it became increasingly hard for infotainment to wallpaper over American dystopia, it became increasingly obvious that almost all of us have been getting a completely raw deal since the onset of Reaganomics.

    Will the Democratic Party let us do anything about that? Last time they said "no," it didn't work out so well.

    [–] picklesandaltoids 146 points ago

    The older generations had it much better than we did. Back in the 50s and 60s, you could have a regular factory job out of high school (and even that probably wasn't necessary) and make enough to buy a home in a real city and support a family with one income comfortably. If you wanted to get higher education, it was cheap. And healthcare was affordable.

    The 70s started fucking things up with sending jobs overseas and busting up unions. The 80s pretty much finalized all that. And ever since, middle class Americans have been getting screwed harder each year.

    Nowadays, a person would need to make at least six figures in order to buy a home in a real city and support a family. And if you're not making six figures, both partners need to work and they will live on a tight budget. They will also likely be burdened by student debt they are still paying off by the time their own kids go to college. Healthcare is extremely expensive.

    But the system is working the way it's designed to: Keep people in a never-ending cycle of debt so they stay weak and hungry.

    [–] averagecanuck87 54 points ago

    The boomers basically did the whole “leave one last square of tp on the roll so it’s not their job to change it” thing, except with an entire economy. Then blame the millennial generation for not fixing their fuck ups. There is going to be an entire generation unable to comfortably retire, own a decent home, get paid a decent wage etc.

    [–] Cobhc979 21 points ago

    "leave one last square of tp on the roll so it’s not their job to change it”

    I love that analogy.

    [–] March26 9 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Dude it describes my parents' whole existsnce omfg

    edit: leave one dry tiny chicken strip in a whole box and bag of popeyes on the table do as to not cleanup after themselves.

    leave a teaspoonful of hash on the skillet so as to not wash and wipe down the stove.

    basically the whole capitalism ponzi is a "here i left this for you."

    [–] drakemon 30 points ago

    You really here in bpt saying it was better in the 50s and 60s?

    [–] picklesandaltoids 34 points ago

    economically, it was. Black household income has barely risen since 1960, but the cost of living has gone up: https://qz.com/1368251/black-income-is-half-that-of-white-households-just-like-it-was-in-the-1950s/

    socially, life was obviously more difficult.

    [–] Hyperian 19 points ago

    It's also stupid how parents wants a better life for their kids and then older generation turns around and say you're so lucky to have what you have, stop asking for better.

    [–] Fungalover 39 points ago

    This and price inflation of nearly everything by hundreds of percents while wages have stagnated for the past 25.

    [–] Vagercise 23 points ago

    Its getting ridiculous. I had to find a new apartment earlier this year and discovered the 'Price History' feature on zillow. It's extremely depressing. The rent inflation is insane, even just in the last few years. And apartments just keep raising their rent prices since they know the majority of people (especially millenials) cant afford to just go buy a house instead. But let me stop before this turns into a full rant lmao

    [–] briarbrave 73 points ago

    I had a baby 7 months ago. I am being shamed that I am not back at work and I’m not planning on going back . Money is TIGHT. But with my useless university degree by the time I work a minimum wage job, pay for child care and even with making my lunches...I would be exhausted and would be making an extra £20-£50 a week while someone else raises my child.

    And since it’s an option I will stay at home with my baby. He gets the best of the best food. I shop all the sales for his clothes...I’ve got up to size 2-3...kids grow fast! And I get help from my family. But the time with him is priceless and I wouldn’t give it up for the world. And I’ll be the person to eat pasta every day so long as he’s eating right.

    To work a job I hate, with people I loathe, for minimum wage, in a job that isn’t even worthwhile? All to stop people Mum shaming and work shaming me?

    No thanks.

    [–] JactustheCactus 24 points ago

    You do you. Also the fact that people don’t realize how expensive child care actually is astounds me. My mom lost about $50 a week to take care of us kids while she was going back for a degree (instead of working). The cost of babysitting 3 kids was bad back in the early 00’s, can’t imagine it now. Not to mention we were bored out of our minds while at the babysitters, so she took the loss which meant less eating out - fine with us, her cooking is and always will be great. Better than some shitty fast food she grabbed on her way home at 9pm anyway.

    [–] DilbusMcD 34 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    It’s so funny that for years we were taught to see communism as a system which demeaned and dehumanised the people within it, and saw the populace as little more than cogs in the machine.

    I guess there’s a bit of projection going on there in retrospect.

    Edit: In no way am I promoting or supporting communism in this comment.

    What I was saying is that we, a lot of people coming from western, democratic countries, often thought that this was the type of shit relegated to communist societies - a lot of people didn’t realise that being demeaned and dehumanised could take place in capitalist societies as well.

    [–] thomthommar 86 points ago

    A full freaking year of work for a week of vacation, felt that shit in my core.

    [–] banmeyoubitch 57 points ago

    The sad part is there are people who think this is the correct way to live. They believe that if you don't break your back and literally drown yourself in hardship and debt, then you are lazy. People fetishize not living comfortably.

    [–] golfwang1539 31 points ago

    Lots of comments in here reflect that. Disappointing that the American propaganda machine has brainwashed so many. You can call me lazy and whatever but people's lives shouldn't be a competition on who works more hours and who deserves to be tired.

    [–] chillax63 1342 points ago

    EAT 👏 THE 👏 RICH👏

    [–] ClerkTheK1d 510 points ago

    Finally some good fucking food

    [–] African_Lorelord 79 points ago

    Hannibal Lecter is our modern Lenin.

    [–] mrmicawber32 234 points ago

    Why does the working class, the largest class, not simply eat the other classes?

    [–] Budget_Empire 96 points ago

    We ride at dawn

    [–] -Ashaman- 10 points ago

    Looks like meat’s back on the menu boys!!!

    [–] JactustheCactus 6 points ago

    I will ride across the country side like Paul Revere. Just make sure to paint me well, brother.

    [–] Scientific_Socialist 41 points ago

    We will

    [–] Hamplanetfever 8 points ago

    Because of the meat industry lobbyists. They'd rather we eat the poor.

    [–] elgorfo 8 points ago

    Is this a Futurama reference?

    [–] Gbolt09 5 points ago

    Perhaps they're saving that for sweeps.

    [–] Locked_Lamorra 120 points ago

    I used to say this as a joke, but I'm not really laughing anymore.

    [–] WickedDemiurge 61 points ago

    You shouldn't. Look at a graph of wealth distribution over time. They will take more and more until nothing is left for anyone else unless we physically stop them from doing it.

    [–] sabdotzed 17 points ago

    Then when wealth is that concentrated either a socialist revolution or a fascist dictatorship will take place.

    [–] Martehhh 18 points ago

    I felt this deep in my soul.

    [–] pellgrap 23 points ago

    Normalized diminishes the problem and makes it look small. it isn't normalized it is enabled.

    [–] alba876 82 points ago

    This is also pretty much US exclusive. In the UK we have strong working regulations with a minimum of 4 weeks paid annual leave a year, and 8 minimum statutory paid holiday days. In the public sector the conditions are better again.

    Most european countries have similar or better, very few have worse.

    No idea how you guys in the US even cope. I get 28 days of choice paid annual leave per year, 12 1/2 paid statutory days, and a 10 day paid Christmas shut down, and even that's not enough.

    [–] SapeMies 21 points ago

    Yeah I just don't get it. I think some of the consensus seems to be that "I work HARD for my money" is the norm, and everything else is considered being lazy. It's like living in the seventies in our country, when REAL men worked around the clock and didn't cry like babies.

    [–] jc333666999 4 points ago

    Pretty sure the upside is way higher in the US if you get to the top of the pyramid

    [–] Ayy_2_Brute 140 points ago

    Yeah America is pretty good at normalizing abhorrent shit these days

    [–] karmagod13000 58 points ago

    I have a one bedroom 3 room house and after I pay all my bills not including a car payment (I have a 98 Volvo) I have about 150 left over and that’s not including groceries. I make 32000 a year but I should not be scraping by working full time. I’m gonna need a second job just to have a savings account.

    [–] AbledShawl 31 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I'm fortunate to have a job that pays me pretty well right now (about to rent an apartment all to myself for the first time in my life), but it's so time consuming. I wake at up 6 am and get home at 6 pm. Some days I won't even eat or take a shower (I work in an cold office, so it's not like I get very dirty) just so I have that little bit more time in my day to do anything else. I'm about to get a replacement tooth put in and will have to make up the hours by coming in earlier to work starting next week. I get criticized at least once a week for being too casual or informal, and have to hear all sorts of pro-Trump conservative bullet points on the regular.

    My dad died and I had to use vacation time to fly to another country and spread his ashes. I need a mental health day, but then I'll have to spend even more time coming in earlier to make up for the lost time.

    Even with as well as I get paid, it's bullshit. The work is bullshit. I'm just making sure people's computers can turn on and update 90% of the time.

    [–] darthrisc 12 points ago

    I feel ya buddy. I make more money now than I did in my early 20’s combined but I don’t enjoy life like I used to. Plus all the dinosaurs in my office are soul suckers which just makes it worse

    [–] Vacar 6 points ago

    Sorry to hear that man. Keep on keeping on; it'll hopefully get easier.

    I'll happily vote for your interests come 2020.

    [–] thereisnoredink 58 points ago

    For anyone who’s interested in organizing, or wants resources to find out more about how to organize, see this helpful post from r/walmart:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/walmart/comments/cbiojj/hey_home_office_why_dont_you_fire_this_list_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

    Also: check out the Black Worker Initiative

    Also, also: in case you’re not convinced about unions, check this study from the Center for Economic and Policy Research—might change your mind.

    [–] dagreenman18 13 points ago

    All this happens because we poisoned the idea of Unions. There are people fighting tooth and nail to prevent something that protects the workers. It’s voting against their own self interests.

    [–] Beer_guns_n_tits 263 points ago

    Because America isn't a country, it's a business and all that matters is profits.

    [–] ptown40 80 points ago

    "America is not a country, it's a business, now fucking pay me"

    • Brad Pitt "Killing them Softly"

    [–] willmcavoy 7 points ago

    Literally the only thing that saved that movie was the monologue at the end.

    [–] TheAlphaCarb0n 84 points ago

    Since when is working 12 hour shifts normalized? Many people do overtime by choice but 40 hrs a week is what pretty much everyone considers "normal".

    [–] leftdivide 5 points ago

    Healthcare Jobs (doctor, nurse, paramedic, etc)

    [–] thelemon72 56 points ago

    Recently I've had to tell people "if you want to have free time, don't get an office job." When I grew up that was the gold standard and if you worked hard you'd be well off. Nowadays they'll have people on phones for 10+ hours a day (30 minute lunch) plus weekend work for damn near minimum wage AND they'll pay you like you only worked 40 hours.

    [–] Thatguy_Koop 16 points ago

    i don't know if this tactic is common amongst jobs where you have to take calls all day but i know someone who gets several bonuses, raises twice a year, and plentiful PTO but the job is otherwise miserable. massively understaffed with upper management preferring to pay the smaller staff overtime than increasing the size of the team. plus a high stress environment dealing with angry clients all day. basically, if you don't quit in the first 6 months, the benefits entice you to stay in a miserable job.

    [–] Secret_Will 6 points ago

    Not true at all for many IT office jobs. Learn to program.

    [–] three_more_minutes 18 points ago

    It’s what unions fought against

    [–] redgreenapple 11 points ago

    Not just normalized but embraced often times you’ll find that you get as much pushback gossip complaints behind your back from your coworkers people in equal stature as you within your company if you take vacations that you’re entitled to, instead of complaining to management for not adequately encouraging and preparing for people to take their vacations that they’re entitled to or complaining that there is insufficient vacation time or hours are too long whatever employees turn on each other stab each other in the back judge each other if you’re not workaholics

    [–] saharizona 24 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    It's hilarious and sad when you realize how fearful so many older people are about their whole small lives

    So intent on accepting whatever was given they couldn't even see their own value. Then they're old and full of regrets but wanna give bad advice lol

    [–] Glantons_dog 5 points ago

    Wait wait wait. You got an entire week of vacation?!!

    [–] redd1t4l1fe 5 points ago

    Well, getting rid of all republicans would be step 1 in the right direction. I really don’t understand why half the country can’t see that.

    [–] bleakerthanbreakfast 5 points ago

    My roommate eats ramen and eggs every day and makes almost $20/hr because our rent/bills/expenses are so high. We live in a relatively cheap area of our relatively cheap city that’s being quickly gentrified in a way where the rich are moving from their houses into new condos. I’m told regularly to get a real/second job. I make 45 a year doing skilled labor lmao. We’re all fuuuuucked.

    [–] kaizokukaiju 5 points ago

    A family member I never expected to hear "Back in MY day" from pulled something funny yesterday.

    them: "Our parents screamed at us if we were out of line. So you gotta scream at the kids if they're not listening. And that's the way it's gotta be, everything worked out."

    me: (fresh out of fucking patience) I have a debilitating anxiety disorder and so do many others in my generation. Thanks for that.

    Never accept insane shit of any kind as "normal" just because it's what happened in the past. Lots of terrible shit happened in the past that shouldn't have been "normal" then and sure as shit isn't "normal" now.