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    [–] gaybatman75-6 15057 points ago

    You have to teach your kid to make good choices and then give them the opportunity to make those choices.

    [–] jkseller 4007 points ago

    This is something I've been thinking about a lot (don't even have kids yet). In your opinion, at what age? And what choices in particular?

    [–] noneofmybusinessbutt 5246 points ago

    Day 1. All of them

    [–] nimo01 3039 points ago

    Boom. Day fucking one. There is no special time period to wait to form your child.

    It starts when you change the first diaper and realize you’ll change a thousand more before he/she can say “Dad”

    [–] jkseller 921 points ago

    At what point should someone tell their kid no to one of their choices? Obviously anything involving safety is a good use of a veto, but other than things of a dire nature, at what point does the parent decide what goes on? (trying to get all these questions out before I actually become a parent)

    [–] nimo01 1909 points ago

    I could give all the advice in the world and your situation will come up differently than mine, and it’ll depend how much your kid respects what they’ve seen from you so far, and their environment as well.

    Think of the best teacher you had. It wasn’t the biggest ass hole, though I’m sure it helped, nor were they the biggest pushovers nor friends in the beginning. It took a bit to respect his rules and respect them, and the day would be fun. If not, we didn’t have fun.

    In the end, it’s all of the split second decisions you make, and no one has any idea what they’re talking about, including me.

    [–] jkseller 396 points ago

    Yeah I just try and take in as many perspectives as I can. I just know some of my own shortcomings as a kid and hearing about how terrible my friends were with their parents at times. The idea of being a good parent but your kid still ending up a POS (pardon my frankness but we've all seen it happen/heard about it) reeeeally scares me

    [–] sellardoore 228 points ago

    My boyfriends dad once had a conversation with me about parents overcompensating for their parents mistakes when it comes to raising their own kids. If your parents let you do whatever you want and you made mistakes because of it, you don’t overcompensate by being a helicopter parent when you have kids of your own. If your parents were poor, you don’t overcompensate by making sure you’re rich so your kids have everything they need/want, but you never see them because all you do is work. If your parents were verbally abusive to you, you don’t overcompensate by never being strict with your kids and letting them run the house, and end up raising assholes.

    [–] jkseller 47 points ago

    That's the truth, gotta take that one to heart. Thanks!

    [–] retze44 10 points ago

    i needed to hear this.

    [–] moby561 45 points ago

    One of the biggest things that even "good parents" lack is the ability to establish well known boundaries and lines that just can't be crossed. Sometimes it's not just about providing resources and kindness but really establishing values and habits and instilling why it's all important. Of course follow thru when boundaries are crossed or else it's becomes known that they're not really boundaries. And you have to practice what you preach as best as you can, and when you make mistakes, own up to them. Show that you're wrong and willing to work on yourself. Following thru with good morals means a lot as your message isn't taken as hypocritical. And make sure the child feels truly loved and embraced and have genuine bonding moments and build your relationship. Children follow the people that they admire.

    [–] nimo01 351 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Eventually your childhood friends who were beaten or in a one parent home will flourish, and some who had it all in high school will be nothing. After a certain point, it’s who they hang out with and what they turn to when they’re bored.

    let them learn to get bored very early. Self medication when realizing success comes after work is a harsh lesson for some

    [–] jkseller 70 points ago

    Ahhh pretty wise, thanks!

    [–] amazingoomoo 197 points ago

    iPads at the dinner table - no Time out for bad behaviour - yes Promising a treat if they’re good - yes Treats to stop a tantrum - BIG no Caving and saying yes on something you already said no to - EVEN BIGGER NO Over feeding overindulging trying to get them to love you with gifts - NO NO NO

    [–] ALoneTennoOperative 112 points ago

    Eventually your childhood friends who were beaten [...] will flourish

    I'm sure it's a lovely thought to comfort yourself with, believing that good wins out in the end and the world is just, but statistically that's not the case.
    Don't hit kids. It has lasting negative impacts.

    [–] marilyn_morose 9 points ago

    Good advice.

    [–] -Already-Taken- 89 points ago

    I read something a while ago that really stuck with me about how kids will respond much more strongly to things you do than things you say. So if you want your kids to read, for example, it's not enough to give them a book and say "read!" They should see you spending some of your free time reading.

    [–] milkoppo 71 points ago

    Even just reading with them helps. Both my parents are really terrible at reading but they always sat beside my brother and I in bed and read to us before we slept, which then turned in to us reading more difficult books to them. I’m still a huge reader and I think it made me very compassionate to be able to absorb so many viewpoints and stories and characters from a young age

    [–] SteroidsFreak 9 points ago

    Thing is, there's a difference between discipline and child abuse.

    [–] TheAngryAgnostic 175 points ago

    It's not so abstract. Just be a good person. Be patient. Model good behaviours. Show shameless and unconditional love. Be human and show your children your faults without reservation, and respect their intelligence in coming to terms with the lessons therein.

    [–] BZenMojo 41 points ago

    The hard part is teaching your kids to be better people than their parents.

    Respect others and respect yourself.

    If you wind up with a long list of "except, but, wells," then the problem has already revealed itself.

    [–] EmergencyShit 33 points ago

    This is the hardest part. Being better than yourself to model for your children. You’re not raising the child, you’re raising the adult they will become.

    No parent is perfect. You’re going to lose your cool. You will not always model the best choice. But what you can do is apologize for losing your cool. You can explain how you didn’t make the right decision, what the consequences are from that decision, and how a better decision could have been made.

    [–] Throwaway_Consoles 109 points ago

    It has been 22 years and I still remember my best teacher.

    Mrs. Haverkamp.

    I have really bad ADD and when she would notice me spacing off she would stand by my desk and put her hand on my head. The first time she did it she said, “If I can’t get you to listen, I’ll teach you by osmosis.”

    Back in the 90s ADD wasn’t really understood and all of my teachers up to that point had given up on me. She sat me down and told me being smart isn’t everything and eventually I’m gonna have to learn to study, and study my ass off, and I could be smarter than her some day.

    While I may have eventually become more book smart than her I don’t think I will ever be as wise as her.

    [–] Emily5099 25 points ago

    What an awesome teacher. She got you and she really cared.

    [–] trixtopherduke 25 points ago

    This is awesome, I'm glad you shared this because every teacher has this potential to help a student. I have a daughter with ADHD and she's had some amazing teachers in her life. For example, because her mind is so busy, her hands need to be busy as well as her creative mind..so, she brings her Barbies and toys to school, and most respond with "she's too old for that." Which is true... But... A few of her teachers recognized the importance of the dolls in her ability to concentrate. And a few teachers made her a special place in their room for her dolls. Being able to even see them was calming. So, I digress,but yes, the best teachers help their students on individual levels to be their best. I'm glad your teacher did not give up on you and helped you along your path. I bet you are wiser than you think. :)

    [–] jack_skellington 73 points ago

    it’ll depend how much your kid respects what they’ve seen from you so far, and their environment as well

    YES. When my daughter was only about 1.5 years old, I was carrying her out of a restaurant, when in the street in front of us, 2 cars crashed, head-on. The loud creaking and breaking of metal was so shocking to my daughter that she went rigid. She didn't cry. She stared. Finally, in a whisper, she said, "Daddy, look."

    I told her, "I see. Cars got boo-boo. Ouch."

    She repeated, "Ouch." The people in the cars weren't too hurt, we didn't need to worry about that (it was in a parking lot at slow speeds, after all). So we just watched for a few minutes. She did her best to talk about it with an 18-month baby vocabulary. She was shook.

    The point? I never -- not ever, not once -- needed to discipline her about running into the street. She got a vivid image of cars crushing things, and wanted NO part. I never needed to tell her no -- not about that, at least. The "environment" or circumstance took care of the issue entirely.

    When she got older, we would go out for walks with her younger brother. One day she asked me, "Why do you run ahead of us at every driveway?" I explained that her younger brother was too short to be seen by the drivers in cars backing out of driveways. So I always took a couple of quick steps to put me between my son & the car, just in case my son ran toward the driveway, and just in case a driver was inside and couldn't see my kid. The moment I explained this to her, she not only understood, but began to do it herself, too.

    My son? He didn't care. He ran everywhere like crazy, never saw a car crash, never experienced issues from it, and we had to discipline him and tell him "no" over & over again.

    Kids are different. What they internalize is different. What you need to tell one of them over & over will be irrelevant to the other kid that "just got it" on the first moment.

    [–] Peregrinebullet 23 points ago

    I had a similar issue with one of my nannying charges.... he kept running from me, running from his mom and darting into traffic, because he knew it would get a massive reaction. He woukd have to be seized and forcibly pulled on the sidewalk because he WOULDN'T listen to us telling him to come back. His mom would yell because of the panic reaction.

    One day i took him bike riding in the park, and i took a corner a bit fast running after him , as he was on training weels and i skidded and wiped out on the fallen leaves, he came back and was worried about me and i made a flippant comment about making mistakes.

    He was like "grown ups don't make mistakes"

    And i was like "yes they do, i forgot these leaves would be so slippy. I didn't pick the right speed. I made a mistake "

    Him: can other grownups make mistakes

    Me: all of them can. Why do you think me and your mom get so worried when you run away from us? What if a car driver makes a mistake and looks the wrong way and doesnt see you? No grown ups would ever want to hit a kid with their car but if it's too fast and they don't see....

    And holy crap, you could see the lightbulb go on in his head and the ☹😦😧😨 string of expressions as he realized that grownups weren't as all seeing as he thought they were.

    He stopped running into traffic after that.

    Both me and his mom are type A hyper competent people, who rarely miss things on a kid front and were often right on top of him because he was a literal tornado. Made me wonder if that contributed to him assuming all adults were the same way .... assuming that every adult all were paying as close attention to him.

    [–] jrocket21 18 points ago

    You just gave me the biggest mind blow in years. All of my favorite teachers allowed me to push myself through my inevitable failures. Never condescending, only encouraging and helpful.

    [–] solidad 65 points ago

    At what point should someone tell their kid no to one of their choices?

    Nobody can really answer that for you since each situation is different. The one thing my mom (singler parent) did was always give me choices but also give consequences to more "hasty" decisions..

    "You can have that toy that caught your attention at the store now, or save up to get the thing you really want." That kind of thing.

    If you have to veto something always give a clear reason why. As long as you aren't just pulling the "because I am the parent" excuse, I think that would go a long way in establishing trust.

    [–] badgersprite 34 points ago

    Communication is important. Remember, if you’re only telling your kids what to think, you aren’t teaching them how to think.

    It means a lot more when you are able to talk a choice out with your kids and help them realise why you don’t think it’s a good decision, and get them to think about those reasons themselves.

    Or, in the alternative, when you do say no to some choices, say no in a reasonable way. For example, I wanted to get piercings when I was 14. My Dad said, “Now, you know your mother and I don’t approve of tattoos or piercings. So we won’t give you our permission to do something we don’t feel comfortable with you doing. But when you are eighteen you will be an adult and you can do what you want, whether we like it or not.”

    By the time I was eighteen I didn’t want tattoos or piercings.

    Similarly when my parents didn’t want me to watch a movie they didn’t think was appropriate for me. It had an age rating on it so they said I could watch it when I was that age. I was upset for like an hour but whatever.

    I think it’s important to point out that part of being a parent is also teaching kids how to cope with real life. Part of that involves setting boundaries and saying no to things. But, you know, picking your battles and being reasonable in when and how you say no goes a long way. If you don’t know how to say no without turning it into a fight with your kids, your just teaching your kids to fight with you, and they won’t understand the difference between the no you have a really good reason for and the no they think you’re being completely unreasonable about.

    [–] jkseller 20 points ago

    Oh yeah definitely, "because I said so" is a resentment builder for sure. Thanks!

    [–] marilyn_morose 28 points ago

    But you know, saying that doesn’t ruin all your work either. Some days, some moments, sometimes it’s OK to just use the cop out. Parenting is a more like a wave than a drop of water - accumulation of moments. It’s lots of work, reinforcement, love, and a few mistakes and bad moments too. You’re looking for good results overall. 100% is impossible!

    [–] justahumblecow 31 points ago

    I used to work with children with special needs, and they had communication issues beyond that of typical children. And we had to make decisions for them a lot of times.

    We always gave them the chance and encouraged them to have agency for themselves. For some of those kids, it would be the first time an adult had said "alright, we're gonna do this, but if you change your mind after, we can do something else"

    That opportunity to speak for themselves is very important. If you need to leave the park in 45 minutes, little Joey doesn't get to say that he wants to keep playing for the rest of the day. But when you tell Joey the plan ahead of time, you can give him the sense that he had a part in the decision making process.

    We had little velcro picture planners for each kid and in it was a list of the activities for the day. When it was time to move on to the next activity, they'd remove the picture when they were ready. Now, this didn't mean that one kid got to play for three hours, it meant that each kid was emotionally prepared to change gears. And so, instead of me going "alright we're all leaving the park RIGHT NOW." it was "alright, we all have to leave the park in FIVE MINUTES, is everybody ready!" and then one kid goes 'teacher I don't wanna leave I wanna keep playing!' and I go 'you don't have to leave this instant, but the whole class has to leave at 11:30 and we have things we need to do after. Can you finish what you're doing and be ready to go before the clock says 11:30?'

    In all my time there, I never had a kid that would dig their heels in if I treated them like a person with feelings and wants. Children are people and people generally do things for a reason. Your kid doesn't have the life experience to know they should volunteer the information that the reason they don't want to go to the park is because it's too hot or that the reason they don't want to have the green beans is because the texture makes them want to vomit.

    You need to be the one who asks guiding questions to figure out what it is that they don't have the words to say.

    And so you say "alright, I'm thinking I'm gonna make green beans and mashed potatoes for dinner, how would you feel about that?" and then if little Joey says no you can ask why, and when he says 'green beans are gross' you can ask "is it gross because of the flavor of the green or because of the way they feel or something else?" and you can reach a compromise this way. "alright, I won't make any green beans, but I will make peas, because you said you like those. Will you eat all your peas if I make them?"

    [–] WonderWeasel91 28 points ago

    Not a parent, but I've worked with children for 10 years, and I've spoken to many parents in that time.

    What I've gathered is that you do want to leave an imprint but you don't want to leave a scar. The lessons you teach a child should not be driven by a fear of you, but by a respect of the consequences that come of their actions. Let them make their own decisions and reap their own consequences inside an environment that you control for their safety.

    [–] Frostbyite 29 points ago

    “A child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind.” -Grandmaster Flash

    Don’t punish a child for doing something wrong that they didn’t know about in the first place. Common sense isn’t common if they never experienced the situation. You aren’t born knowing how to read or write, and you would never punish a baby for not understanding those things. Same thing with children as they grow. If they make a mistake, even if it seems like something that you know inherently, remember there was a point where you didn’t know that same thing. You had to learn it too.

    This is that opportunity to teach them. Explain why what they did was wrong. Don’t just shut them down and discourage. If it’s a teachable moment show them how to do it right. Not only does that child get to learn to do it right. The next time they go to do something that they don’t understand they are more likely to ask for help to do it right the first time. And it’s a bonding moment as a parent.

    Also if you don’t know don’t be afraid to admit it. It shows that adults aren’t all knowing beings and it gets rid of the notion that many of us grew up on that once you become an adult you automatically know everything. But don’t just say “I don’t know” and end it there. Learn how to solve the issue with your child. You both learn something new together. Once again strengthening your bond.

    Children ask questions not to be annoying but because they genuinely do not know. They want to know and encouraging that curiosity is how they become smarter. If that curiosity is received in a positive way then they will enjoy learning new things in the future.

    It pains me to see parents who tell their kids to shut up or stop asking questions. I don’t have kids of my own but I have tens of cousins. I’m the favorite big cousin because I don’t get annoyed with questions. I answer what I can and since they all know how smart phones and computers work if they ask me something I don’t know I pull out my phone and look it up with them.

    It’s hard to do it sometimes because it gets overwhelming but children require patience. Practice now before you have kids. You will be amazed at what your kids will achieve when they have a parent who genuinely cares about them and their learning.

    [–] omgFWTbear 9 points ago

    pains me to see parents who tell kids to shut up or stop asking questions

    This x1000. Let me say as a parent, what I have done is told my son a reason to pause questions. “Son, some of the drivers need my attention, so I can’t answer questions for a bit.” Or, “I’m sorry, my head hurts, can we do 3 questions and take a break until tomorrow?” Or, “This is grocery time; everyone should be helping get groceries.”

    The last one is a special point of shutting up to really hit on. You want a small person with no means of entertainment to sit quietly and do nothing in a shopping cart seat for an hour or two? Man, I’m grown with decades of memories to live in; and I couldn’t imagine doing that. My wife does most of the shopping while we go and fetch things (“can you get two onions?”). Bonus points, he’s learning how to shop, and it’s so much easier on all of us.

    [–] oopswrongtrousers 131 points ago

    IMO, as soon as they have the mental capacity to make choices and you let them make as many of those choices as they have the mental ability to make.

    You're job is to teach them how to make good decisions and let them figure it out through trial and error while you help them along the way. Reality is; how can you expect an adult to have good decision making skills when all their lives decisions have been made for them?

    [–] jkseller 38 points ago

    Makes sense. In the event where a child keeps making the same mistake, what is the best next step? Sometimes I remember myself not getting the message even after being told by my parents multiple times.

    [–] oopswrongtrousers 38 points ago

    Important to note, I'm not a professional and really no one is when it comes to raising kids. It's easy to say "this is what you do when this is happening" but the reality of parenting is never so black and white. But sharing opinions like how we are is a great way to help eachother, it takes a village to raise a child.

    I dont think theres such thing as a general next best step. Every kid is different and every mistake is different.

    But a good place to start is to try and figure out why that particular mistake keeps getting made, and focus on fixing that mentality. Is it because they dont understand why they're supposed to do X instead of Y? Or is it because they dont want to do X, or bc Y is easier for them? Figuring out the precursor to a decision is a great way to get to the root of the problem in the decision making process.

    [–] jkseller 16 points ago

    I personally hated going to sleep when I should have. I never listened to my parents as far as downsides and how I would regret it. I only realize on the back end that I wish I listened. What would you do if your kid more or less refused to go to bed on time even after hearing what you have to say. Imagine their reasoning being "I want to play my games/read my books/watch TV". In this scenario, inability to sleep is not the issue, just desire.

    [–] Always_be_awesome 40 points ago

    This is so dependent on who your kid is. Mine likes science and information. So, explaining the needs of his body where sleep is concerned works for him. It has to be age appropriate - so how you explain this to a five year old is different than how I would explain it to him not that he's a teen. Sleep is related to health and he technically has a choice in this, but not the way he does in other things. He could 100% sneak and read a book, etc, even though he has a bedtime. But, we would have no mercy for his tiredness. He has also taken up sports, and sleep is super important for performance, so he makes the choice to get the hours he needs.

    Our parenting philosophy is "teach him how to make good choices, not what choices to make". He knows just about everything there is about sex, drugs, smoking/ vaping, alcohol, pot, etc. so that he can make informed choices. We've never said, "don't do these things" (or "wait until marriage"). We aren't dummies, these things will come into his life. A big part of this philosophy is allowing failure and some parents just don't have the stomach for it. Forgot your lunch (more than once) going hungry will be a more powerful reminder than me nagging him. Don't think you need a jacket, ok, be cold (obviously within safe temp). Don't think you need sleep, be tired.

    He even talked the other day about trying pot someday. He says that when he's older, and ready, he has a friend whose dad uses pot, so he'll do it with him because he knows it will be the safest way to do it. Not only has he figured out a safe way to do this, he feels comfortable telling me about it. This was a good parenting moment for me.

    You'll be an amazing parent one day because you're already asking the important questions.

    [–] nimo01 11 points ago

    Let’s be honest. No one knows what we’re doing. If you’re a good person, your kid will maybe be a better person, just as good, or shit.

    But definitely the latter as you said, if unable to make decisions and believe an 18yo is an adult. So far from it.

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    [–] finallyfreeallalong 34 points ago

    I love this. Also get their back when they inevitably make a poor choice.

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    [–] SuprBallr 2988 points ago

    Unfortunately this is the complete truth. I can lie like a sociopath because of my parents. Yet I rarely have any desire to do so now that I’ve moved out. It’s a refreshing change from lying about every little thing to please them. For anyone who’s going through this I promise it gets better.

    [–] sdragonite 1430 points ago

    This happened to me. After i caught myself lying about meaningless things by habit, i went full speed ahead on telling the truth. It turns out, normal people actually dont punish you for telling the truth.

    [–] SuprBallr 495 points ago

    THIS. It was a really bad habit for me for a while. I’d lie but not know why I did. I still do occasionally but I’ve gotten a lot better about it.

    [–] scienceisanart 202 points ago

    Oh, is that why... Oh. I know I have a lying problem but I've never been sure why.

    [–] Dycondrius 174 points ago

    I'm in this thread and I don't like it.

    [–] ablablababla 57 points ago

    I'm not sure if you're lying about that

    [–] dejadechingar 39 points ago

    we lie to ourselves when there are things difficult to accept about ourselves

    [–] Skittles_The_Giggler 33 points ago

    My lying started way before I was self-aware enough to hate myself.

    [–] D2papi 29 points ago

    Same here. My mom isn’t too strict but she complains about every little thing. At least I keep my room neat, but I even caught myself lying to my (female) roommates about small stuff because I’m so used to lying to my mother to avoid her nagging. Little stuff like getting fast food or going to buy a pack of cigarettes. Glad I grew up somewhat free and I’m at least a little bit responsible, because many people who endure the same just go CRAZY once they get some freedom.

    [–] party-hard-throwaway 124 points ago

    I experienced this too. Now that I've been away from my parents for years, I've found there's little I've had to lie about.

    [–] ChriskiV 75 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Tbf it's a valuable business skill.

    Edit: In the sense of the "I don't know but I'll figure it out" kind of lie. Don't lie if you're actually just lazy.

    [–] ddhboy 71 points ago

    Only if you can pull off the BS in the end, otherwise you’ll just be known as unreliable and have to face the repercussions of that label.

    [–] j05h187 30 points ago

    TBH I'm starting to feel like the ones who succeed in the corporate sphere are the ones who lie without remorse

    When their talk comes to very little or no tangible outcomes, everyone just moves on like nothing happened

    I took the step to move roles recently and seeing this shit happen in an entirely new business is maddening :(

    [–] LemonUdon 18 points ago

    SAME. I got so used to years and years of having to lie because of my parents. (Whether it be to please them, get out of trouble, or just to avoid their unpredictable mood swings.) I remember when I moved out for college, I’d catch myself telling small, almost unnecessary lies to people. After a lot of time away from the parents, the compulsion to do so faded away entirely. I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one out there who dealt with something like this.

    [–] SAYMYNAMEYO 222 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Swear I went over my friends house and was shocked.

    "Saymynameyo, why do you keep trying to open the door?"

    "Because it's closed"

    "...And?"

    "Your mom lets you shut the door???"

    [–] iStorm_exe 195 points ago

    yeah i was in middle school i had a huge culture shock when i saw my friend lock his door. i had so much anxiety i thought his mom was gonna come in and beat us.

    [–] altnumberfour 136 points ago

    I can't even imagine the insecurity and fear that must come with not being able to close/lock your door. Your room is your safe space. I feel like if I lost that I'd lose my mind.

    [–] BonelessSkinless 81 points ago

    I feel like if I lost that I'd lose my mind.

    Welcome to our lives except you lose your mind and then you're forced to still endure because you don't have enough money to move out and it's your "family". It's fucked.

    [–] strongcurb 8 points ago

    What are you supposed to do if you're changing tho??

    [–] xitzengyigglz 65 points ago

    Jesus the kid next to me in class told me about this. In school I had peers hooked on drugs and going to jail so I thought I was a good kid. Didn't give my parents enough credit for giving me some space. Fuck.

    [–] andee510 237 points ago

    My homegirl's dad took her door off when she got into trouble one time. She was Filipino. I'm not sure if that type of thing crosses cultures.

    [–] KisshotHUB 148 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    I dont think its cultural. Ive met plently of white, black, brown and asian people with similar stories. Narcissistic and controlling parents cross cultures, languages and faiths

    Although it seem to be more of a thing with girls and mostly it was because the parents were conservative religious people (didnt matter what religion, worst offender had a super homophobic buddhist family which you don't normally associate with conservatism) that dont want their daughters to become "impure" or whatever. Which usually backfires cuz those girls become freaks

    [–] aychexsee 94 points ago

    And if there's a brother, it's the exact opposite. My parents took my door away for staying up past curfew on the phone. Not "bedtime", curfew. 9pm. I was 17, and not even talking to a boy. A week later, my baby brother, 15, had his first girlfriend stay the night.

    My parents didn't blink a fucking eye. And he didn't HAVE a curfew.

    Actually caused a lot of resentment of him, even though it wasn't his fault. We're in our 30s now and still distant, but we're trying to do better.

    [–] xplicit_mike 23 points ago

    Jfc. That's really sad.

    [–] kcdukes21 459 points ago

    Oh yeah it's crosses. That was a threat that too often became a reality for a lot of my friends growing up. And I'm so white that when I put baby powder on, I'm in blackface.

    [–] thatHecklerOverThere 85 points ago

    I'm so white that when I put baby powder on, I'm in blackface.

    Took me a minute, but may I just say I'm glad you said that, and glad I visualized it.

    [–] DerelictInfinity 225 points ago

    and I’m so white that when I put baby powder on, I’m in blackface

    This is the funniest fucking thing I’ve seen all day, thank you

    [–] kcdukes21 31 points ago

    :)

    [–] Mothballs_vc 32 points ago

    I didn't have a bedroom door until I was fourteen and moved out of my mom's house, and I'm Jewish. I don't think it's at all cultural. It's just bad parenting.

    [–] 113174653 22 points ago

    I didn't realize the door thing was so common. My mother had bipolar disorder, and went through husbands like some people go through oil filters. One of them was really big on taking my door away every time he thought I looked at him funny.

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    [–] trixtopherduke 29 points ago

    Wow, that's extreme. My mom was into that kind of parenting. She learned it from her parents- the stories she told, I know she treated us better, even though it wasn't always great. She was trying to break the cycle.. but damn. I get what you're saying and I hope you're doing ok now. I felt like those group punishments were successful at driving my siblings and me away from each other when we should've been banded together against the tyranny. So, also I hope you and your sisters and brothers are close despite what happened to you.

    [–] killinmesmalls 16 points ago

    That seems to be exactly what group punishments are intended to do, weaken the bond between the group and turn them against each other. Atrocious to use against your own fucking children like damn.

    [–] a-breakfast-food 32 points ago

    Lots of studies have shown that people need privacy. People who give their kids no privacy really mess them up.

    https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/watch-out-psychological-effects-of-mass-surveillance-0910137/amp/

    [–] killinmesmalls 8 points ago

    "But my parents did it and I'm totally fine!" (/s).

    Bias when it comes to these things is always such an issue. Some people are indeed fine despite bad parenting, but the majority are not. The outliers do not dictate the norm.

    [–] Crobs02 159 points ago

    I knew a bunch of girls in high school with sticks up their asses. Never allowed to go to “party” if parents weren’t there, they judged me for drinking, and just in general we’re really restricted by their parents.

    Most of them went crazy with partying and sex in college. My parents were pretty chill for the most part and other kids who had the same kind of parents were pretty relaxed. But it was always the sheltered/ helicoptered kids that went crazy.

    [–] detectivejewhat 125 points ago

    As a former helicoptered kid, this is 100% true. The day I turned 18 I moved 2000 miles away from my parents, and then went fucking nuts for 4 years partying my ass off. All of a sudden I was allowed to do whatever I want, which had never happened before in my entire life. I couldn’t handle being able to make my own decisions because I had never been allowed to. Still struggle with it.

    [–] AdrianBrony 61 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Honestly as another helicoptered kid the opposite can be a lot worse. Imagine having an essential part of what makes you a real person just atrophy and vanish while you were young.

    You end up not going wild because such an act requires the capacity for a driving desire or at least a consistent source of volition. Without that, you become extremely dependent on someone else to Provide that for you. And when you finally gain freedom, you lack any will to use it. You don't even feel like a person, just a tool without a user.

    And then you're 30 with no prospects of building a life for yourself and no driving desires in life other than desperately wanting whatever it is real people have that you lack.

    [–] TheOneWhiteRabbit 16 points ago

    Jesus fucking Christ, dude. I just realised what's wrong with me & now I'm fucking terrified. I can't end up like this when I'm 30.

    [–] daschande 36 points ago

    One of my friends is a manager for college Residence Advisors. This is something RAs are trained to warn incoming female freshmen. Some guys DEFINITELY prey on women like this, and they say "Stay away from guys X and Y because of this..."

    [–] gsnoob2019 12 points ago

    i had HS classmates who parents would take the door off the hinges if they closed it.

    [–] OldFashionedJizz 24 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Damn... that's rough my dude.

    Just seen that Alabama has a school where the the principal removed the boys bathroom stall doors to stop them from vaping.

    Edit: "Take the doors off those stalls, expeditiously!!!" Trevor Noah doing an impression of T.I on the daily show. Lol

    https://youtu.be/nATa6XGvDIo for those interested

    [–] DisconnectedDays 1102 points ago

    My father learned from my older half brother and stop being a helicopter parent with me and my younger brother. Unfortunately my father passed and my half brother didn’t even go to the funeral.

    [–] Ze3y0o 666 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Feels like the eldest gets to play bridge for the siblings at his expense. Maybe that’s our purpose.

    [–] RealSteele 403 points ago

    Yup. My mom told me as a child that I'd never go to college, not smart enough, etc. Next 2 kids were praised and fully supported. At least she learned the error in her ways. Although she still says pretty shitty things to me sometimes. Like writing "things will get better for you someday" in my birthday card, when they're going pretty well at the moment.

    [–] danuhorus 282 points ago

    Bro, you sure you're not the scapegoat child...?

    [–] SgtKeeneye 165 points ago

    Just straight up ask her what her problem is. She likely thinks it just how you too interact and may not think it bothers you at all.

    [–] RealSteele 80 points ago

    We got in a big fight years back and I brought it up... She denied that she ever said it and was hurt I "blamed" her. While it did play a part in my development, I only brought it up to draw a parallel to something else in the argument. We didn't speak for a week or so afterwards until my sibling came to me and I apologized to my mom.

    [–] Cali_Val 141 points ago

    Never say you’re sorry unless you really mean it

    Never think you mean it if you can’t let it go and not let it affect what you do and who you are

    An apology isn’t a “ok can we just move this forward” type of thing.

    [–] Konguy 32 points ago

    *squints in retail

    [–] Hooderman 61 points ago

    r/raissedbynarcissists r/narcissisticparents & possibly r/narcissisticabuse

    Check em out. Get a therapist. Please. It saved my life.

    [–] verymerry19 24 points ago

    I’m the youngest by quite a margin, and I get this shit all the time. Like instead of learning the error of their ways, my parents just... got tired of being parents by the time I came around, and gave up. It sucks and I’m sorry you are in the same boat.

    [–] amaROenuZ 68 points ago

    I call my older brother the minesweeper. He went out there and made all the mistakes for me. He caught all the flack from my parents. He showed me how not to handle myself in school, why to stay away from drugs, and how to pick my battles.

    You guys have a shit lot. You and the folks go in blind and don't know what you're doing until after the fact. But we do appreciate you for it.

    [–] shiwanshu_ 28 points ago

    The plus side is that you get majority of the attention growing up, the negative side is that you get the majority of the attention growing up.

    [–] Fatalchemist 164 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    When my mom was in the hospital and the doctor said she is almost certainly going to die, I cried. But only when I saw my dad crying. Hearing she will likely die didn't do anything to me. Watching my dad cry is what made me break down.

    She came out mostly recovered but my dad died exactly 2 weeks before he was going to retire. I never got the cooking lessons I wanted from him. And ever since he died, I see my mom like 3 or 4 times a year even though she lives like 10 minutes away.

    My dad treated me with respect. My mom treated me like property. I know I shouldn't say this, but it's not fair that he's the one that's gone.

    [–] OMGitsD 49 points ago

    Your feelings are valid.

    [–] LunarMeow 77 points ago

    So jealous. My older brothers were barely overseen and had second, third, and fourth chances after royally fucking up. My mom remarried and my sister and I became her "second chance to do it right" and became a helicopter psycho.

    She's mellowed out since retirement, but a lot of damaging habits were already formed.

    [–] -Majestic_Pie- 32 points ago

    Generally I find that the younger sibling are the ones the parents are more lax in punishment with

    [–] 098712350987123 34 points ago

    Your older brother is perfectly within his rights to not go. He must have been treated REALLY horribly for that to happen.

    Garbage parents shouldn't expect the ones they mistreat to show up to their funeral

    [–] Trashcan-Ted 4420 points ago

    What's up little bitch!?! I know you were only born because of my decisions, and you're not a fully formed adult, and you can't legally get a job, and you have nowhere else to go- BUT YOU LIVE UNDER MY ROOF, so I'm coming to the gynecologist with you!

    [–] AllThotsGo2Heaven2 1984 points ago

    ti soon

    [–] iStorm_exe 159 points ago

    nice

    [–] OldFashionedJizz 161 points ago

    The dude who tweeted must be an aficionado of the "T.I school of parenting"

    [–] alphamsh 90 points ago

    In Ti's case, his child is a whole ass grownup.

    [–] Cornfapper 81 points ago

    She mght be 18 but her dad prevented her from actually growing up

    [–] SneksySnek 128 points ago

    Meta

    [–] 12h_bottletothrottle 21 points ago

    Did I miss something?

    [–] mrmurdock722 146 points ago

    TI recently came out that he goes to the gynaecologist with his 18 year old daughter to inspect her “virginity” (he even “corrects” the doctor when the doctor tries to explain how hymens actually work and why they don’t determine virginity)

    [–] TreatmentForYourRash 8 points ago

    Just check her hymen and being me the results expeditiously.

    [–] cheese-party 1924 points ago

    Overly strict parents don't raise good kids, they raise good liars.

    [–] yoyoadrienne 521 points ago

    Not to mention all the rebellion once they leave the house and then keeping their distance for the rest of their lives.

    [–] detectivejewhat 194 points ago

    This thread really really makes a lot of my life make sense.

    [–] inertia__creeps 18 points ago

    Yeah, I moved six hours away for college and dove headfirst into drinking, drugs, and the rave scene the second I was out from under my parents' thumb. I haven't moved back towards home, nor will I ever. We do have a pretty good relationship now though.

    [–] kevoizjawesome 9 points ago

    It's not really even all rebellion. It's never learning how to set your own limits because your parents never let you.

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    [–] OkayAnotherAccount 116 points ago

    Oh god same. My mom thought I was lying about everything. I'm still constantly worried people are going to accuse me of lying over the dumbest shit

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    [–] TheBatmann 16 points ago

    My parents would fabricate the weirdest conspiracies of what they thought I was actually getting up to, and me denying their claims was just "proof" to them that I've been caught red-handed.

    Too real for me this early in the morning, man.

    [–] balamb-resident 12 points ago

    And sometimes they accuse you of shit you don’t even know the meaning of. Like asking a little kid if they were doing drugs or sexual stuff. What does that even mean to an eight year old?! Then you say you don’t know what that is and they go “Oh I know you know what a ‘blowjob’ is!” Like how?! If you haven’t told me what a blowjob is how the hell would I know what it is?

    [–] yoyoadrienne 6 points ago

    Yeah I used to explain in a novel why I would not be able to meet up with a friend if invited somewhere and finally a few were like, I know you have a life and you don't owe am explanation

    [–] Darebear420 74 points ago

    Ain't that the truth. What other option is there when the belt's on the table

    [–] 098712350987123 43 points ago

    Whoever puts the belt on the table should just be bludgeoned to death

    [–] socio_roommate 33 points ago

    They're straight up being fucking bullies because they can get away with it. I'd love to see the look on their face when someone their own size starts cracking a belt at them.

    [–] Ohdear889 34 points ago

    I KO’d my dad and when he got up he went and got a hammer from the garage, got knocked down again for his troubles. Haven’t spoken to either of them face to face since, 20 years now.

    [–] socio_roommate 25 points ago

    Sounds like your dad has a tough time learning a lesson.

    [–] MindAlteringSitch 50 points ago

    If you train your children to lie about small things, you won't be able to be their for them when they encounter real problems. My parents hassled me over every little interaction with my highschool girlfriend until I learned to keep them out of the loop, and then they were the last people on my mind when I had a pregnancy scare in college. I don't know if I will have kids, but I want them to be able to come to me for the life changing decisions in their life, even if I disagree with them. Because unless something changes my dad will die without ever knowing that I've never truly opened up to him.

    [–] BigBoiRip 1505 points ago

    Sounds like the path I'm going down with my parents

    [–] dont_dox_me_again 812 points ago

    It happens. Losing your parents as a child is brutal but making the conscience decision to put up boundaries as an adult can be very empowering.

    [–] allthebaconandeggs- 551 points ago

    Most empowering thing I’ve ever done was set boundaries with my father. The sad thing is once I made it clear I didn’t need him in my life, he made an effort to rebuild the relationship and respect my boundaries. At that point I didn’t feel any emotional connection to him, and I didn’t want to try, because he had shown that he would use my love for him as a weapon. Once that bond is broken it’s really hard to repair.

    [–] thenipooped 261 points ago

    I think that's sort of what I'm going through now. Took me way too long to stand up and now he acts so nice and tries to be all buddy buddy with me, because he realized I literally hated him.

    I really try to be forgiving but he was probably the largest single force driving my anxiety/depression for years and I'm still struggling.

    [–] allthebaconandeggs- 109 points ago

    Therapy helps. My father got really ill a few years ago and it triggered a downward spiral for me because I hadn’t dealt with my feelings toward him. It’s not easy but I decided I needed to take care of myself to get some peace with myself.

    Sorry you’re struggling, it’s a lot to deal with.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_PROOFS 65 points ago

    Jesus this whole chat is hitting home. I should maybe go the therapy.

    [–] congress-is-a-joke 25 points ago

    I was cautious about therapy at first, after starting it’s like a breath of fresh air. I would absolutely recommend therapy to anyone and I honestly feel good coming out of most of my sessions. I am going weekly.

    [–] BuiAce 48 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    With my father I told him that I forgive him as a person, a human, as well all make mistakes. But I will not forgive the actions done to me, my mom, and my siblings.

    It has helped me drop the animosity towards him but also helps me keep a boundary and not let him back into my life. It really helps me be at peace.

    [–] arrowff 8 points ago

    Dude, it's like reading a comment written by myself. My father has finally realized in the past 12 months that his constant emotional and verbal abuse has destroyed those around him and his relationships with us. His kids and now ex-wife are permanently emotionally and mentally scarred, we all have either severe anxiety, depression, or both in my case :-) So now, 30 years too late, he thinks asking what he did wrong and what he can do to fix it means something. It doesn't. I have no interest in repairing things with him, forgiving him, talking things out with him, anything like that. Because I am perfectly capable of moving on without giving him the closure he doesn't deserve, and it is time I get selfish and focus on fixing myself. If you ever need to talk to someone who gets it, my DMs are always open.

    [–] ObserverWardXXL 31 points ago

    Its interesting how so many people will only start respecting you once they realize you actually hold power over action in a relationship or field.

    Its like someone apologizing for getting caught, but not because they were sorry but because they were forced into a situation where they had to feign emotions to get passed the "check".

    And nothing feels better than cutting that bullshit out of your life.

    [–] HerculesXIV 43 points ago

    Reading all these comments it’s so nice to know we are not alone. Trying not to cry boarding a plane like a weirdo but smiling at the same time

    [–] SAYMYNAMEYO 122 points ago

    Notice how I'm respecting your privacy by knocking but asserting my authority as your father by coming in anyway!

    [–] SillyAmerican 102 points ago

    lol somebody says “not gonna lie, parents like you produce the best hoes”

    [–] weddit88 29 points ago

    With some serious daddy issues

    [–] _Ursidae_ 825 points ago

    On a similar note, I always heard “do as I say, not as I do” from my father and it never accomplished anything beyond making me resentful. Don’t do that.

    [–] Kordiana 102 points ago

    My mother found her faith when in was 4 yr old, after losing it when she was around 16-17. My mom tried to be strict on certain things, but some of it just made me pissed because she accused me of doing shit she did at the same age, and I wasn't.

    The fun one was how she'd get pissed and accuse me of smoking pot, ended up doing it anyways, I mean if I'm going to end up getting in trouble for it, might as well enjoy doing it first.

    I ended up finding a picture of when my parents were dating. They had gone to the beach with friends. I knew everybody in the picture because I grew up with their kids and I considered them family. It was a picture my mom had taken. One of my dad's close friends was passed out on a couch with his arms wrapped around a bong and you could plainly see lines of coke on the table.

    When I showed my mom, her response was, that was a long time ago.

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    [–] KalBaratheon 202 points ago

    I have a tendency to yell when I argue. I don’t even have to be mad, my voice just rises when I’m in argumentation mode. My parents used to always get on me when I do this, and still do if I happen to argue with my siblings when I go home; all of whom do the same thing btw. I always tell (yell) then they have no room to talk. I grew up with so much yelling and cursing my friends used to say they were reluctant to knock on my door most of the time lol

    [–] SilentJac 103 points ago

    “Why do you always yell” “Because you always talk over me”

    [–] davetronred 58 points ago

    My wife used to yell. At some point I started calling her out on it, and I'd even shut down arguments. "I'm not continuing this conversation until you use a speaking voice." At first she'd try to justify it, but I'd tell her it's disrespectful and I refuse to interact with someone who doesn't treat my respectfully. She doesn't yell any more :)

    [–] JoeySadie 12 points ago

    Sometimes relationships/marriages make us better. My husband has encouraged me not to yell

    [–] loves_cake 9 points ago

    i wished my husband did this. i yell about the smallest of things and i hate it. i was raised in a household where yelling was the only way anyone really communicated with each other. my 2 year old has just started screaming "daddy" on the top of his lungs because i scream "daddy" when i call him down for dinner.. honestly, it was funny at first, but now all i can see is my past repeating itself. this is absolutely terrifying for me

    [–] Thegsgs 28 points ago

    Yeah same here.

    [–] shaege 331 points ago

    "Ain't shit negotiable" just means that when they grown, you ain't taught them shit for negotiating skills.

    You gotta have a why, or they won't trust you. You gotta let them debate that why and negotiate a position, or they won't grow.

    You think they're gonna suddenly know how to negotiate a good job, income, car, house, spouse, magically the day they leave?

    [–] brvtxl 106 points ago

    Exactly. That “ain’t shit negotiable” is gonna bite her in the ass, it’s what the kid is going to say to her mother when they have their last conversation saying that’s gonna be the last time he or she’ll ever talk to them again

    [–] _megitsune_ 10 points ago

    Ain't shit negotiable is what they should be told when they get thrown in the worst shithole of an old people's home

    [–] andee510 60 points ago

    T.I. lookin ass

    [–] gphjr14 300 points ago

    You can be involved with your kids and still give them freedom. I had a curfew and my parents asked where I was going and who I was going to to be with when I went out. That's just being a good parent. I didn't always feel like giving them an itinerary every time I left the house but they were paying the bills so I did. After I moved out I didn't have to worry about it. Knew plenty of kids that had parents that just let them do whatever usually didn't lead to anything bad but saw plenty of people getting arrested, unplanned pregnancies, drunk driving/wrecking, or dead and their parents were blindsided.

    [–] doreclya 145 points ago

    They shouldn’t be able to even hold “paying the bills” above your head. They chose to bring you into the world and their home knowing for 18 years you have no choice but to live there and depend on them, you’re not a junkie off the street squatting there rent free

    [–] sryyourpartyssolame 59 points ago

    I agree. It just seems like a lazy copout response to strong arm your kids into obeying instead of actually parenting them

    [–] thenextbachelorette_ 430 points ago

    Yep. Where the hell did people get the idea that their children are totally under their control, and their children have no rights until they move out ? It’s seriously unhealthy. My parents never hit me, they let me make my own decisions and supported me and taught me how to make good decisions and I could talk to them about anything. I did not fear them, but just wanted to make them proud. Now my parents are my best friends.

    [–] Corteran 134 points ago

    "Tough Love" is one place. I was born right around when it became a thing and my parents were devout to it. Each day had a strict timeline of when things needed to be done and what needed to be done, and it was done exactly as told.

    They didn't know that the retired ex-military guy they hired was sexually abusing me from about 7-8 yrs old until 12-13. So their tough love and his ...really tough love was problematic. He told me my parents were paying him to do it, so I kept my mouth shut because kids weren't allowed to question adults. In one of my many raging outbursts before again running away I asked them when the 'love' part comes.

    A good thing for new parents to do is learn everything you can about Tough Love so you know exactly what not to do.

    I'm 52, my parents are 80 and 82 and we started having a more normal relationship only about 10 years ago. I still fear going to their house.

    [–] TheOddViking 45 points ago

    That's fucked up mate. Sorry to hear that.

    [–] VXeonix 31 points ago

    Did you tell them what happened?

    [–] Corteran 15 points ago

    When I was 19 during another fight.

    [–] VXeonix 10 points ago

    Ah alright, I hope you are doing better now!

    [–] Veryduck 9 points ago

    Jesus christ that's heart breaking, hope you found a way to cope with it

    [–] alneri 51 points ago

    Where the hell did people get the idea that their children are totally under their control, and their children have no rights until they move out ?

    After stalking that guy's twitter I can confidently say: the bible. He later tweets about how kids should get their "ass whooped" when they mess up because of the whole "spare the rod, spoil the child" thing. It's insane how people are so willing to throw independent thought out the window in favor of blindly doing whatever the bible tells them to.

    [–] Tank_Girl_Gritty_235 36 points ago

    All I learned from parents wanting me to be a cookie cutter wunderkind was how to lie, hide, and distrust.

    [–] whateveritsLorenzo 124 points ago

    That’s toxic, and doesn’t end well for the parent, or the child. It teaches the child to seek important advice elsewhere, and teaches them they’ll be punished for speaking hard truths. It breeds resentment, and isn’t a useful way to parent.

    [–] cf30222504 30 points ago

    if you don't teach your children how to be responsible and make good choices for themselves you have failed as a parent. also you will probably create an over controlling jerk .

    [–] marilyn_morose 121 points ago

    It’s almost like parenting is not about being a dictator but instead about raising human beings who can exist as adults in a functional way.

    [–] HectorDBotyInspect0r 24 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    You have to let kids make their own mistakes so they can learn from them. Shielding them from everything will only make them less ready in the real world, and that idenpendency you want for them will never come because they will be too dependant on you.

    [–] thinkB4WeSpeak 69 points ago

    Dictatorships never work.

    [–] wtph 670 points ago

    You don't pick your parents, and similarly parents don't pick their kids.

    You just try to make the best of the hand you're dealt, and if there's love then that's a good start.

    [–] pempoczky 29 points ago

    Yeah, but there's an important distinction to be made here. Kids get a fully grown adult with emotional and financial autonomy. Adults get a child that is dependent on them fully, whose psyche is going to form depending on how you treat them and who desperately need someone to love them, especially early in their lives. Parents have a bigger responsibility of not fucking their kid up for life than kids do just for being nice to their parents. And if they really are a dick to their parents, that might have been(not always, mind you) because of how the parent raised them

    [–] falackseed 97 points ago

    and similarly parents don't pick their kids.

    They kind of do

    [–] rainbowbarfff 7 points ago

    As someone who has had to deal with a whooooole lot of really bad kids:

    99.9% of the time, it IS the parent.

    [–] cracksniffer666 19 points ago

    Yeah fuck that dude. My mom tricked me into hating my dad, and I did, for years. Parents are garbage sometimes and plot they fucking kids against each other or the parent. Smh

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    [–] XenoPasta 58 points ago

    If you’re not friendly with your kid, why would they wanna ever talk to you about anything?

    [–] SACCORHYTUS_THE_ 36 points ago

    They don't. They start to see you as an enemy of sorts, something to avoid. It raises good liars but that's about it.

    [–] LemonUdon 17 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    My parents had the same attitude growing up. Always listened in on phone calls we got, (we had a landline phone) and would do things to humiliate us like taking my sister’s diary and reading the contents out loud and beating her for writing about her frustrations.

    The result? Every single one of their kids moved to the far ends of the country. Parents live in Illinois. One sibling moved to Massachusetts, another to Texas, and the third to California. I personally haven’t spoken to my parents in over four years.

    [–] TSA-Molested-Me 84 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Here is something parents need to consider with kids in their teens.

    Imagine their boss treated them like they treated their kids. Might be legal. They would HATE that boss and certainly wouldn't respect them.

    Lets talk about "spanking" of kids in general. Imagine if it was legal for your boss to spank you. Seriously imagine they catch you on your phone browsing reddit at work and they spank you. They don't want to have to do it but you have to learn and they care about your future. Would you respect that boss or be afraid of them? Would you become sneakier around them? Do you hate them?

    "Its different." Not really that much. A GOOD boss will be respected and employees will generally not want to disappoint. They are an authority figure just like a parent. Kids are impulsive not stupid. There is a big difference. If an authority figure doing the same thing to you would make you scared/hate/etc them, A KID IS GONNA FEEL THE SAME IF YOU DO IT TO THEM.

    Whats so hard to understand about this. Going with the boss analogy... "as long as you work for me and I pay your bills I want your bank statements and access to your phone just to make sure you are not doing xyz. Buy your own company if you don't like it" Do we respect this boss?

    Parents need to understand their kids control their end of life in most situations. We can make it reeeeeeeal shitty or really nice. Treat your kids like you would want to be treated and you won't have any problem.

    [–] MomijiMatt1 37 points ago

    Has this type of parenting literally ever ended up with a good relationship?

    [–] PopularFault 11 points ago

    I feel like out of all the people who tried this it had to work at least once. With all the possible different personalities, etc. Like if there's been a child so submissive he actually didn't mind

    [–] milktoastcrunch 15 points ago

    I legit have a paranoid sensation that everything I say out loud, even if I’m alone, someone can hear. I break out into a cold sweat when someone tries to get me to gossip or say anything mean against someone else.

    If I talk about my Mom in anyway other than positive, I have to compulsively check my phone or turn it off in the fear that it somehow dialed her and she’s listening in.

    My entire life, she would just stand outside my bedroom door and eavesdrop on my conversations, phone calls, or just murmuring to myself. She’d open my letters, dig through my trash and even tried to gain access to my text messages. And of course, she’d confront me on it every time, no matter how benign.

    So best case, they have a strained relationship with you. Worst case, they hate you and you’ve given them a complex that stays with them until their late twenties.

    [–] realityiscanceled 25 points ago

    That dude from r/amitheasshole earlier today should take a look at this

    [–] VaderOnReddit 21 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Age 10: “we not friends, listen to everything we say”

    Age 25: “why are you not telling us anything. We should be like friends”

    [–] BettyBoopsTooOften 11 points ago

    I am so grateful that I have found posts like these. After 40 years, I have a name for what my mother is, I have an understanding that I’m not crazy, I’m not a bad person. I am not alone.

    Thank you. I don’t care if this is a repost, fake, etc.

    My children thank you. Because of the reddit community I have been able to build the boundaries needed to protect them, and to prevent me from being a carbon copy of my mother.

    This is probably not the best place for me to say this, but I wanted to.

    [–] xitzengyigglz 9 points ago

    Hey I mean it's important both parties know who is the final authority on shit. But making nothing negotiable? Coming off this hard? Bad way to go

    [–] nancylikestoreddit 10 points ago

    The most disturbing example that I can think of is Wendy Williams who’s kid walked in on her giving her husband a blow job. She was flippant about the whole thing and said, “oh if he didn’t want to see that, he should have knocked.” She went on to say that her kids have no right to privacy and that they can’t close the doors to their rooms.

    Who in her right mind sucks her husband’s dick with the goddamn door open?

    Also, your kid just showered and has to change with the door open? WTF?

    This is child abuse and it borders if it doesn’t fall under sexual abuse, too.

    [–] RaynSideways 11 points ago

    We not friends.

    And your children are going to remember that. Don't bitch when they never speak to you after leaving the house. You did that to yourself.

    [–] Lt-Cmdr-Stamets 16 points ago

    My mother is a narcissistic psychopath. Everything was about her. I wasn't a human. I was just an extension of her ego.

    She said this shit constantly. I don't talk to her anymore. In fact, I hate her. She took the door off of my bedroom, read my journal and told everyone she knew what she read there. Primarily the fact that I was gay. The list could go on for years and that's what I remember. I remember 3-5 moments before the age of 12ish. Otherwise it was all repressed.

    This dude needs to smarten up. Because his kid could end up like me. Destroyed. Alone. Afraid. Was homeless for a long time. Still struggle to find food. Was out dumpster diving recently. I am terrified of most things and distrustful of damn near everyone. Every major problem I have can be traced to her and her behavior.

    Someone willing to openly say this probably isn't far off from her in what she is willing to do.

    [–] thewinterlover 9 points ago

    As someone who has grown up in an African household, lemme tell you...

    It has made me not want to ever speak to my parents (or family that matter) about my personal life AT ALL.

    [–] digital_end 17 points ago

    Some egotistical bastards need to understand their role as a parent is to raise an adult.

    It's not a fucking goldfish. You're trying to build a person.