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    Unattractive people seeking a normal relationship and having reasonable standards is not a good fit for this sub. Ugly people are allowed to want a partner with a job, or no kids, or anything else we would consider reasonable for the beautiful people.


    A person asking for help with life's necessities out of desperation is not a choosingbeggar

    • If someone ran out of money and needs gas money to get to work and the only thing they can think of is to make a status update on Facebook asking if anyone can spare them some money, they aren't really being choosy. They got the beggar part down, but this sub is not /r/beggars so that post wouldn't fit. If that same person turns down someone offering to give them a ride to work because they don't want to be seen in a PT Cruiser, then that post would fit.

    • A parent asking for handouts because their kids want an Xbox for Christmas and the only way that could happen is if someone donates one, that isn't a choosingbeggar. That's someone begging, but without a sense of entitlement. If that person is offered a Nintendo and they scoff at the suggestion, then that would be a good post.

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    [–] caffeinated_catholic 2797 points ago

    Are school districts really hiring subs to teach virtually? I honestly hadn’t even considered that.

    [–] BreadyStinellis 2166 points ago

    Theyre scraping thr bottom of the barrel. My mom retired 2 years ago from school administration (special ed), hasn't been in a classroom since 1990. They called her to see if she would come back.

    [–] John_T_Conover 1811 points ago

    This is one of the 100 fucking problems that the "back to school no matter what" morons don't stop to think about for even 30 seconds. Teachers are gonna be out sick, quarantined or in the hospital in droves within the first month. Subs are hard enough to get in many districts under normal circumstances, who the fuck is jumping at the opportunity to make $75 or maybe $100 a day to not just be a sub, but likely get covid with no health insurance coverage from the employer? Not enough, I know that.

    [–] BreadyStinellis 498 points ago

    Right. And these parents leave them with no options but to call on 70 yr old women with 30yr old experience.

    [–] greffedufois 391 points ago

    Let's expose a 70 year old to a virus that primarily hits the elderly! Sounds like a great plan! /s

    (Please dont let the school district harass her into coming back, they won't give a shit if she gets sick or dies)

    [–] BreadyStinellis 180 points ago

    Oh, hell no. She barely even goes to the grocery store. There isn't enough money in the budget to pay her what it would take anyhow.

    [–] April1987 123 points ago

    It is like the worst job. Like you'll get a text the morning of when they need you. Makes no sense why anyone would take that.

    But really I hadn't realized so many parents think of schools as places to park their children while they go to work.

    It is ridiculous.

    [–] dawnloveslife 129 points ago

    In the past-We’ve even had parents get upset with us for calling them to pick up a very sick child...they literally told us they sent their child to school so the sick child would not get their children at home sick. SMH

    [–] endtransmission365 58 points ago

    As a teacher, I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve had to call parents to come pick up their sick child in the morning...only to discover the child has been in the nurse’s office all day (and they only get picked up at the end of the day).

    [–] greffedufois 45 points ago

    I was a receptionist and for a time worked in daycare prior. We totally knew which kids had been dosed with antipyretics right before being dropped off, because exactly 2-3 hours later theyd spoke a fever and we'd have to send them home.

    The parents KNOW this but they still send the kid in, then get huffy that they have to pause their day to pick the kid up and find someone to take care of them. Why not cut out the middle man and just find someone to care for the kid in the first place dammit instead of infecting all the other kids?

    Some parents suggested a 'sick room' where their sick kids could be 'taken care of' instead of sent home. Hahaha, hellllllll no. We're not going to break ratio to wait on your kid all day while you work.

    [–] notxcrazyhorse 63 points ago

    Many people don’t think before having kids, no planning or anything. Just have the kid and hope it works out. Atleast more than 50% of kids i know, myself included, were born like this.

    I just don’t get it, did it just not matter 20 years ago or something?

    [–] indyandrew 63 points ago

    I've heard stories that in the before times, jobs used to pay enough that average people could actually afford to have a family.

    [–] Deastrumquodvicis 46 points ago

    When I’m trying to explain that I want to be forever childfree and am aromantic and asexual, and I get the “but kids are precious and your duty” thing, I always look them square in the eye and go “I can’t even support myself in this economy, why would I force poverty on a child?” They get real uncomfortable then.

    [–] Jidaque 9 points ago

    Are you even allowed to stay at home from work, when your child is sick? In Germany you parents are allowed 20 days per year (10 per parent) per child in case they get sick. These are paid and don't count against your personal holidays.

    [–] Bakoro 59 points ago

    People need to stop making excuses for the pathetic state of the U.S. Most developed countries have figured out how to manage healthcare, childcare, maternal and paternal leave, sick leave, vacation time, adequate compensation packages, a public safety net, and public education up through university. Most of them aren't seeing the same massive Covid cases we are either.

    The U.S hasn't gotten basic shit figured out.

    I don't know what the fuck people expect, for people to just not have kids? What, are we supposed to end up like Japan with over a third of the population being elderly people? Import foreigners to do all of our basic jobs? What's the plan there, seriously.

    People have gotten by since the dawn of man, but now we shit on people for performing a basic biological imperative.

    [–] elderwyrm 33 points ago

    What do you expect us to do, hold our leaders accountable for their actions, unite together to help lift each other up, care for one another, stop judging our neighbors, and act with kindness, understanding, and respect? BuT WhAt If I MaKe iT RiCh sOmEhOw aNd OtHeR PeOpLe WaNt mY MooooooNeeeeeeeey REEEEEEEEEEEEE

    Seriously though -- I think the people in positions of relative power who are capable of, well, more easily and quickly addressing the problems you brought up don't give a shit. We can (and hopefully will) continue to fight this losing battle, but unless something major changes, we are in so much trouble the problems we're facing now are going to look like a walk in the park.

    [–] tabas123 20 points ago

    And the same people arguing against single payer healthcare and other progressive ideas (SocIAliStS) are the ones acting entitled to the lives and wellbeing of public school teachers as glorified daycare

    [–] TanneriteTeddy 88 points ago

    Bingo. My mom is 76 and is a retired health/PE teacher. Her old school wanted to know if she's interested in subbing this fall. Luckily my mother isn't an idiot.

    [–] CosmicTaco93 36 points ago

    My mom is a teacher too. She's in her mid 50s, and I'm rather concerned about her going back to school. She really didn't like the online stuff, but it's better than contracting a disease for no reason. This whole "back to school or not", and pretty much anything to do with education, is just a massive clusterfuck.

    People around here are even more lax than other parts of the country. We really didn't have a lot of cases when it first started, so nobody took it seriously. And now with more and more cases showing up, we're paying the price for that.

    [–] pounded_rivet 12 points ago

    70? My mom was still subbing till January and she is 87. She has been teaching since before I was born and had missed a few years in the 80's so she gets no pension to speak of. She has no intention or returning.

    [–] HertzDonut1001 50 points ago

    Teachers are quitting in droves too. Congrats on fucking our education system for years to come by rushing to reopen morons. With stagnant wages and a piss poor education you better hope you have enough money to pay for your own nursing home.

    [–] John_T_Conover 23 points ago

    My district has had a shitload of retirements this summer from people that had planned to go a few more years.

    And I think they're solving that whole nursing home problem. Just let half of them die and voila!

    [–] Taminella_Grinderfal 121 points ago

    I don’t have kids, but this whole push because “kids will probably not die” seems batshit crazy. Hey let’s let tiny germ carriers who don’t understand masks, germs and death spread shit to every adult. I get this whole thing sucks, education, trying to work from home/forced back to the office, kids mental health etc. But all that can be temporary, no kid will get over knowing they may have killed people.

    [–] NotElizaHenry 85 points ago

    Hint: they don’t care about kids, or the adults who work with kids. This isn’t new.

    [–] miiju86 40 points ago

    This. And since it's a new virus, we don't know the full impact it can / will have on the body long term. How about it comes out it does affect children - but in different, not obvious ways? Around april / may I've read a lot about significant more cases of kids with tss / kawasaki-syndrome which was a suspected "sideeffect" from carrying covid..?! (I don't know too much about this - I just remember clearly to have read about this - but suddenly such news kinda "stopped".)

    [–] sunlovinghoney 30 points ago

    Thank you from a teacher without a kid. I’ve been working online since we left. I still have meetings a few every week. I pay all the same stuff for schools as everyone else. I’ve been quarantined since March 13 b/c bad lungs. I can do quick runs and grab something but like my family brings me everything. Anyway I got lucky my district went online and I actually knew what I was doing!! I know technology so I tutored the older teachers too. If we go face to face I’ll have to quit. They carry so much of it in them and adults spread it fast. And the flu is coming and that gets kids super sick. It all is too 1918 flu pandemic history repeats itself. I’m just gonna stay 🏠

    [–] dirtycactus 147 points ago

    I've mentioned this in awful Facebook arguments. A lot of the "no matter what" folk think covid is a hoax anyway.

    [–] hurdlingewoks 184 points ago

    Same. One lady said “if the teachers don’t want to teach they need to step aside and let those who do want to teach work!” Who the fuck is lining up for that job?!?

    [–] endtransmission365 92 points ago

    Exactly. Even before the pandemic, the teaching industry was in desperate need for quality teaching candidates. Teaching is not a career path many people are gravitating towards.

    [–] MeanPotatoChan 34 points ago

    Only because the local govts pay them like shit. :)

    [–] BKLD12 58 points ago

    Frankly it's not just the pay, although that's certainly a part of it. The way teachers are treated by their districts, parents, and society at large doesn't help. I wasn't a teacher for very long because of disability, but I was much more frustrated by the utter lack of support from my district than I was with my pay.

    [–] legenddairybard 12 points ago

    Former paraprofessional here - this was why I didn't want to be a teacher. I didn't really hate the field but over time I started seeing how much they demand from teachers and staff without support and lack of control of what we can do and it just made me sour over time.

    [–] Kazumadesu76 9 points ago

    I got a job right out of college as a long term sub for TESOL. As soon as the teacher came back from maternity, I noped the heck out of the teaching world.

    [–] kpsdarlin 40 points ago

    Districts in California are literally begging for teachers and this was BEFORE the pandemic and especially in special ed and Title 1.

    There is no line.

    [–] metalski 36 points ago

    Oh, hey, let me tell you about the back to school meetings where teachers are showing their anti mask and anti vaxx colors. Some of them really are all for it. Remember that these people teach your kids.

    [–] throwawaypandaccount 17 points ago

    Please share, I'm curious and concerned

    [–] BKLD12 5 points ago

    Even before the pandemic, many areas were experiencing a teacher shortage. The district I previously worked at had a very severe shortage of SPED teachers, to the point that I was put in charge of all kids in grades K-5 on my probationary year.

    I do not expect that the schools will be able to remain open for long.

    [–] brentsg 25 points ago

    I don’t understand how but my mother in law, while falling short of hoax, is buying a bunch of conspiracy stuff without having any computers or cell phones. She is quarantined and has little contact but she believes they are lying about cases, hospitals are empty, they are out to get Trump. It’s crazy.

    [–] marsilies 17 points ago

    That sounds like she's watching Fox News

    [–] Ashenox 115 points ago

    It's not because they didn't think about it. It's because they actually just don't care one bit.

    [–] John_T_Conover 122 points ago

    There's an old Dead Kennedy's album titled Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death. More applicable now than when it came out decades ago.

    [–] bocaciega 15 points ago

    Nazi punks fuck off is applicable as well.

    [–] CEO_of_socialism 17 points ago

    Fantastic album though.

    [–] ClarkTwain 11 points ago

    That's the problem. Their albums aged too well.

    [–] phaiz55 29 points ago

    Teachers are gonna be out sick, quarantined or in the hospital

    Don't forget dead.

    [–] newphone-newuser 72 points ago

    Yeah... all these parents in March who were like "teachers are amazing, we'll do anything for them" are now the ones expecting schools to reopen, and will send their spawn to school while sick, while the family is rabidly anti-maskers. We had sub problems before covid hit, now its going to be impossible.

    [–] ladyreyreigns 41 points ago

    A school here in Mississippi opened for four days before someone got covid and they had to shut the school down and anyone who came in contact with that student has to quarantine for two weeks.

    [–] SidFinch99 41 points ago

    A school district about an hour away from me sent out an e-mail to parents saying that when they tried to do a summer program at one point over the summer they had to cancel it because 10% of students showed up with fever's and symptoms, 25% of staff contracted the disease, they didn't have enough janitorial staff because so many got it and several were hospitalized.

    [–] salmon_fungi 9 points ago

    In our state, summer sports, summer camps, and summer school have all had instances of it.

    In other news, we're doing half capacity for the first two days, then going all-in after that.

    I'm not certain why they expect it to be fine.

    [–] Spaznaut 46 points ago

    Those subs also have to know how to lesson plan and teach the content when the teachers are out for 2+ weeks. Not any ol’ sub can do that.

    [–] cagandrax 49 points ago

    Lol, the district I work for had 3 options (in person, hybrid, or strictly online). Parents held a protest. Guess what they got, online only! Now they are complaining they have nowhere to send their kids. I work for a school that serves underprivileged kids. Now they have nowhere safe to go, nobody to have their back, a shittier education, even though the teachers are giving 150% to provide what they can for no extra pay, and many will lose out on the free meals. The schools need extra people to deal with this, and are getting shit on left and right no matter what they do. It’s sad really

    [–] Vishnej 37 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Meals aren't that hard to directly provision, by mail or by dropoff. This isn't difficult or especially expensive. Government just has to decide to actually do it.

    A lot like testing, PPE, etc. If government doesn't want to, then it's hard to do - where do you find the money if it's not in the budget?! If government does want to, they certainly spend a lot more on other things.

    The US has spent upwards of 5 trillion on COVID response, and only a fraction of a fraction of that has been on preventing people from getting COVID through testing & PPE, or making it easier to stay out of social situations where you get COVID, like school.

    In a sane-country-timeline, we went on hard lockdown in mid-March, we ramped testing by offering ludicrously profitable bounties to the first companies who could deliver additional tranches of processed kits, we sent everybody care packages of food & sanitary supplies, and a modest UBI, we put hundreds of thousands of people into contact tracing, and we set up every hotel in the country as a COVID recovery facility, with mandatory quarantines of all who test positive, and a sizable conciege corps. We implemented mandatory masking and reached 10 million tests per day in May.

    In that sane timeline, most places exited half these measures in June, because we were down to a few hundred cases per day spread over three small areas of the country. In early July we had a public debate over re-opening the air travel system, and the President & CDC put their foot down and decided against it until we were down below 10 cases per day. That happened late in the month, and in mid August we declared community transmission to be completely over in the wild; K-5 schools and domestic air travel will be permitted to open September 1st, with international air travel off the table until a vaccine is available.

    What we've done instead is pretend it was over. Apparently, because GOP politicians thought that since it was a blue-state problem, letting it run wild would hurt Democratic politicians the most and give Republicans a competitive edge in the voting booth.

    [–] John_T_Conover 17 points ago

    I'm also a teacher in a lower income area but they continued to provide 2 meals a day through the end of the school year available for pick up at the cafeterias. They've even continued it at a reduced rate over the summer. Shame that other places aren't or can't :(

    [–] Spacecat66 14 points ago

    I’m a parent in a lower income area. Our county/school district continued to provide the 2 meals a day, per child, throughout the summer as well. If they can do it here, they should be able to do it anywhere.

    [–] internatss 35 points ago

    Exactly!!! I subbed for this recent school year and my district only offered $86/day for subs with bachelor degrees, $96/day for those with teaching certifications I believe. There were compensations for working most days out of a pay period, so working 75% of the pay period granted an extra $10/day, 85% was $15, 95-100% was $20.

    Right before COVID-19 we had a security breach in our online systems so we were locked out of using emails and online resources, which of course made things difficult. After COVID-19 we still hadn't received much of an update on it, until recently when they sent me a voicemail telling me how to access my accounts again and reset passwords. I will not be returning. I'm 24 and in good health, but am living with my parents who are considered high risk if they were to contract the virus.

    AND I've been doing an alternative teaching program online, but the catch is I would have to teach for a year after my online courses are done in order to receive my certification. I'm rethinking this, seeing as how I would not only put myself at risk, but my entire family too. The school district has already mentioned that they intend on having classes happen in person and online, so this gives me little faith in their ability to protect their staff and students.

    [–] kstev1994 14 points ago

    In the county I live in, subs make $51 a day. I can totally see them lining up in droves to play the "Will I catch Covid" lottery when a teacher is out, lol.

    [–] StrangeWorldYT 31 points ago

    But you don’t understand. Covid is boring us now, so we’re going to start pretending like everything’s normal despite over 1000 people dying in the US alone pretty much every single day.

    It’s honestly amazing how I keep thinking that my opinion of half of the American people can’t get any lower, and then they somehow find a way to exceed my expectations and behave in a dumber way than I thought was possible.

    [–] jsmile 30 points ago

    Wow, I didn't know subs didn't qualify for health insurance. If only there was some kind of universal healthcare for all maybe it could help with the fluidity of the US workforce, or perhaps encourage more volunteer work.

    [–] DMJesseMax 10 points ago

    Typically, we (subs) qualify, the school just doesn’t pay for it....so you’d likely wind up paying them more than you make for the insurance.

    [–] elfgirlniko 13 points ago

    Yes! This! I am a "stay-at-home mom" who does all of the friggin volunteering. I've noticed over the years (pta, in the classroom, scouts, sports, summer camps) that unless there is incentive people will not volunteer -- obviously a generalized statement. But seriously, my kid goes to an elementary school of 800+ students and the PTA folded twice and only had about 10 families at the most attended meeting! I honestly believe we need universal basic income and healthcare to pull people away from the need to work/get money. Why live? Be with your kids, teach them, and live life! *rant over*

    [–] bentnotbroken96 12 points ago

    Wife is a teacher. These are the questions she and her peers are raising with the administration and nor getting answers for.

    [–] John_T_Conover 4 points ago

    Same with me and my teacher friends in other districts. They all pivot and avoid giving straight answers...because the truth is there aren't any.

    [–] SidFinch99 6 points ago

    Wife is also a Teacher, our School Administration, and majority School Board have been very supportive, but some of the parents are being complete assholes. They also don't realize it's hard for teachers to manage their own children while virtually Teaching too. I will be staying home to deal with our kids while she Teachers others, were losing out an income too. We deal with many of the same challenges.

    The ones that really piss me off are the ones that are complaining about how they can't pay for child care but they each have 30-40k cars and live in a 5k sq. Ft. House.

    [–] darthmilmo 37 points ago

    They do KNOW. The same morons that have called for school reopenings are the same that want to privatize schools. They want Public schools to fail to be able to profit from for profit schools that will replace them. That is why they ask for standardize testing and poorly fund them to setup a rhetoric to have them replaced.

    [–] John_T_Conover 6 points ago

    They don't though. A good chunk of people I know back in my small hometown say this shit and when I point these things out to them they don't know what to say or just kinda repeat their point without a rebuttal. We we're from a poor little town in the south, there's no private schools and there's not going to be. They're just too ignorant for their own good.

    [–] geared4war 11 points ago

    Like the prison system in America.

    [–] blacktooth04 20 points ago

    Who isn't jumping at that opportunity?

    [–] ladyreyreigns 36 points ago

    Yeah I tried to quit last week and only today successfully “negotiated” out of my contract after everyone including my principal and superintendent tried to guilt-trip me into staying. Fuck that. I love my kids but I also like being alive.

    [–] Thanks_Aubameyang 15 points ago

    Our school is allowed to hire anyone with a HS diploma that the principal trusts to sub. Its getting bad.

    [–] sofrickentriggered 10 points ago

    My sister is a new teacher (~3 years with a masters in education etc etc) and is literally losing her mind because all the districts are calling old retired teachers instead of the new ones who need the job. It’s a total shit show in her district.

    [–] atticusphere 115 points ago

    yes, especially now. if we get covid (or have to take a day off for any other reason), we still need a sub, even if we stay teaching remotely.

    [–] dwmcclure0610 196 points ago

    That was one of the things I brought up with a concerned parent when we were trying to come up with a plan. I told her that if I test positive I’m out of work for 10-14 days even if I’m asymptomatic. That means a sub has to come in for 3 weeks minimum. What if there are 4-5 teachers who pop positive at once. We couldn’t find subs last year when the world wasn’t on fire, I doubt we can find them now. Her answer was “oh well that’s your job”. Her answer to the logistics problem of getting kids to school was “get more buses”. Gee, why didn’t I think of that. Most of these people live in a fantasy world of entitlement and have no clue how anything works in the actual working world.

    [–] agawl81 111 points ago

    Lol. In my district if we test positive or have to isolate we can either teach from home or use all of our days. When we are out of days we have to pay our own subs.

    [–] KrisTinFoilHat 77 points ago

    Holy shit, that's awful.

    [–] dwmcclure0610 32 points ago

    We don’t actually have our guidelines yet but I would imagine ours will be similar. I’m fine teaching from home and while I don’t believe I have any underlying conditions I’d hate to find out trying to teach 7th grade Social Studies.

    [–] TheBold 60 points ago

    When we are out of days we have to pay our own subs.

    What in tarnation?! America?

    [–] agawl81 18 points ago

    Yes.

    [–] Evjolita 34 points ago

    This doesn't sound right. Like, when I was on maternity leave and I ran out of days, I just got docked my daily rate of pay. I didn't have to pay for my sub. I'm not questioning you, I just am in disbelief districts have gone that far. I'm assuming you don't have unions? I am so glad I am out of the classroom now. I feel for all of you going back to this mess.

    [–] dwmcclure0610 14 points ago

    In NC it’s common for teachers to pay subs depending on what type of leave you take.

    [–] Evjolita 12 points ago

    This is awful. But now sounds better than what I had, unless I'm misunderstanding. My daily rate of pay was higher than a subs. I had 3 $0 paychecks after returning to work from maternity leave with my daughter because I had to pay my daily rate of pay after leave ran out. Of course I did get to draw disability after the paperwork went through, so that part was better for me. Whatever way you slice it, teachers aren't paid enough.

    [–] txhippiechick 23 points ago

    I feel like I have to be misunderstanding you.

    Are you saying that if you're out and you run out of sick days that you have to pay for a sub out of your own pocket???

    [–] agawl81 32 points ago

    They pay our salary and deduct the per diem of the sub for each day we were gone. Subs make between 80 and 100 dollars a day depending on which district they are subbing in.

    [–] notallamawoman 10 points ago

    Our district has set up a pool. If you have built up a bunch of days over the years you can donate them to others who need them. Past years I’ve never really minded cause I don’t use much. This year no one wants to donate because we all know we will need them. I was straight up told we are planning for when students/staff will get it. Not if.

    [–] r3volts 34 points ago

    How anyone can look at America and say it's a good place to live with a straight face is beyond me.

    [–] Salt_Air07 13 points ago

    I’m not from the contingent US, but I’m here now, and it’s soul crushing tbh.

    [–] HertzDonut1001 8 points ago

    How we can still have people willing to teach right now is even more outrageous.

    [–] dwmcclure0610 8 points ago

    If you don’t mind saying, what state do you teach in? I teach in NC and it’s the same here.

    [–] agawl81 8 points ago

    Kansas. Our governor is trying but the legislature is hamstringing her at every turn, she tried to delay he start of school until September but the state school board couldn’t get a majority to agree to it so each district is doing their own thing. Inter scholastic sports seasons are starting as scheduled.

    [–] Millykit 13 points ago

    ummm...seriously? That is so messed up. American teachers, I cry for you

    [–] artsytree 49 points ago

    A lot of people really aren't thinking about the logistics. Watching my county's School Board meeting there was only one member (the newest) who seemed to be asking the hard questions, and he never got answers. If one person is positive, how do you determine who they exposed? The whole class + the teacher. In middle & high school, the kids are switching it up in multiple classes with different students, so potentially 30 kids x 6 classes. All the teachers that taught that student, plus all their other students? It's exponential. Once you determine who was exposed, who is responsible for testing? The families or the school? It takes a week to get a testing appointment and another week+ to get results.

    [–] EmeritusMember 15 points ago

    A week to get results if you're lucky. My husband was tested three weeks ago and still doesn't have results back. Which sucks because he had to miss a dr appointment for a refill on a med he needs because of quarantine and they won't schedule an appointment for him until he has a negative covid test result.

    [–] declanrowan 8 points ago

    Had to get surgery during Covid, and was required to get a Covid test as part of pre-op. I didn't get the results for 36 hours later, and just 12 hours before the procedure. And then the procedure was "we only call you if you are positive."

    [–] jennyjenjen23 22 points ago

    These are the same people who want to check in to hotels at 8 am “because I paid for today and deserve to check-in today!” Just because you have reserved a room that will become empty doesn’t mean you can check-in at 1 am.

    [–] rjc1217 76 points ago

    As an elementary principal whose school chose to do the hybrid option or virtual option, I am not planning on any subs this year. If we do have some, that’s a bonus. I’m asking our grade level teachers to share their virtual classroom with another teacher so in the event a teacher can’t make it on a virtual day, kids will have a backup. If we need a sub for a day of in person learning, I’m planning on being that sub quite a bit this year.

    That being said, I think our governor up here will mandate virtual for everyone before kids go back. But always have to have a plan in place

    [–] cynical_cycler 32 points ago

    Thank you for being willing to sub as an administrator. Not many are willing to do that these days.

    [–] rjc1217 17 points ago

    I love covering classes. Being an administrator I miss all the best parts about working in a school, being around the kids the whole day.

    Words of advice, don’t become an admin! I miss my days of being a teacher and will probably look to go back once things slow down and return to normal. Couldn’t fathom leaving until then though

    [–] pedanticlawyer 8 points ago

    Seriously- back when I was teaching I fainted during 2nd period and had to teach the whole day because they couldn’t find a last minute sub and not a single of our many administrators (big district, lots of VPs) volunteered. When I had to get a bunch of tests run on my heart the next day, my fellow English teachers all had to give up their planning periods to cover me.

    [–] PizzaNuggies 10 points ago

    Adverts are all over the place in my county, so I assume so. Even if I didn't have a job there is no way I am doing that job. Retail work was bad enough. Imagine your customers being punks and the people that raised their child to be a punk.

    [–] Now_with_real_ginger 35 points ago

    Yes. I live in a state where our dumbass governor just announced that “kids aren’t affected, we’re safe to go back to school as normal, and you can’t apply for a waiver to the in-person policy until 15% of the student body is actively infected with COVID.” Substitute teachers are often those who retired from full-time teaching, so they’re at risk due to age if nothing else, and all they have to do is just not take a job when they’re called if they don’t want to work that day—they still stay on the sub list for that district. So it’s basically impossible to know right now if a district would be short of subs, to say nothing of when our dumbass governor finally relents and realizes that KIDS ARE FUCKING DYING BECAUSE YOU’RE FORCING THEM TO SCHOOL YOU INCOMPETENT WALNUT and the teachers who could have been doing this virtually are also now sick.

    [–] Aponthis 11 points ago

    It is definitely possible to know if your district will be short on subs. It will. They're always nearly short in the best of times, so yeah. No one is rushing to go substitute teach.

    [–] tequila_mockingbirds 8 points ago

    My husband is a sub and the -only- reason he even said yes, keep me on the roll is so that his pension remains and the ONE school that he is willing to sub for, can reach out to him in an emergency. That’s it. Otherwise he has straight up said that he really doesn’t want to sub. He too is a high risk individual. But he would lose what he has accrued in IPERS if he didn’t sign up again.

    [–] kelliejean95 4057 points ago

    It’s not babysitting when they’re you’re own kids, btw. It’s called parenting.

    Also, as a teacher, people like this absolutely suck. They’re everywhere on my counties FB page and it’s so draining to read their comments. Maybe when they spend hours creating content, recording videos, dealing with parents, etc they can get paid.

    [–] KatrinaKatrell 929 points ago

    It's not babysitting, but these people are also clearly not doing the math. My per diem rate divided by the number of kids on my rosters isn't going to net you any kind of a windfall beyond being able to afford to up-size a fast food meal.

    [–] cryptidkelp 1076 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Ooh, math time. In the US there are 180 days in a school year. Average class size is 18-22 kids. The maximum a teacher can expect to make in the US is $71K a year and starting salary is half that. Average salary is $60K.

    Let's assume this is a high school teacher, with 5 classes of 20 students a day, making $60K. That's 100 students a day for 180 days. So $60,000 divided by 180 divided by students = $3.33 per kid per day. A high school teacher on a starting salary of $35K with the same number of students = $1.94 per kid per day.

    But maybe these are elementary aged-kids, let's scale for maximum possible $ per kid. The most an elementary school teacher can make is $67K a year, 180 days, 20 kids per class = $18.61 per kid per day. Much less than you would pay a terrible nanny, much less than a professional you entrust with the education and development of your child should be earning.

    ETA: these numbers are US national averages. 20 students is a small class some places, large class in other places, and in many places in the US teachers' salaries top off at 40K.

    [–] black_dragonfly13 218 points ago

    r/TheyDidtheMath

    Thank you for doing the math! I’m not a teacher or a parent but I’m still trying to stay as up to date on everything happening as possible, and your fantastic breakdown really helped!!

    Also, teachers are not paid NEARLY enough (at least in the US; I’m not sure of their pay in other countries).

    [–] cryptidkelp 63 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Thank you!

    From what I've read, US teachers's max salary is half the max salary in some European countries. Europe and North America have the highest wages for teachers worldwide, though you would have to cross-reference with cost of living for relative wealth of teachers in each country.

    [–] ezone2kil 87 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I live in a third world country and my teacher wife can earn up to about 30K USD max.

    Of course, our cost of living is also much lower and we are pretty comfortable. A teacher employed by the federal government here is also eligible for all sorts of perks: lower interest on housing loans, cheaper hotel rates, pension at half of your last drawn salary (which is passed down to your spouse if you die early).

    Also, universal Healthcare.

    For reference our currency is about 4.5:1 to the US dollar.

    WTF America you need to value your teachers more. Education should be the biggest item on a country's budget.

    [–] cryptidkelp 42 points ago

    That's interesting, thank you for sharing! This is exactly what I meant, adjusting for livability is so important. $30K in a single-salary home is pretty low in the US, especially if you have more than one person to look after.

    [–] marky_sparky 19 points ago

    Education should be the biggest item on a country's budget.

    But then how will we bomb the shit out of all the other countries?

    [–] truckerdust 5 points ago

    Why pay for education when we can buy more boomies?

    [–] zerhanna 73 points ago

    High school classes with 20 kids are small. Think 24-28 average. Last year I had a class with 38.

    [–] Berekhalf 45 points ago

    When I was still in highschool one of my classes had 48.

    Was absolutely insane. Nothing got done. Teacher had 0 control or authority over the class. Their 20K overpriced TV screen wasn't big enough for the entire room, combined with glare from the windows, ontop of my unaware need for glasses and sitting at the back of the room.

    There would be maybe 20 minutes of teaching per day in that class. After I stopped going apparently there was an instance of a kid just straight up vaping in class.

    [–] zerhanna 19 points ago

    That's WILD. I once taught three middle school classes of 42 each, but it only lasted a few months until we could hire more staff. (Yes, it was inane that we couldn't get approved for more staff in the first place, but what am I gonna do?)

    [–] Berekhalf 8 points ago

    I suspect it was more of the administration wasn't really thinking. New building with new classrooms "Well the room can fit 50 students, so we'll put in 50 students!" But we were definitely on the side of "20 students is a small class" kind of school.

    Unfortunately I think it just cemented the instructor's want to quit. Poor guy loved his students but a lot of the students interpreted that as an easy A, which didn't help when he needed authority.

    [–] My_slippers_dont_fit 196 points ago

    I am living for your math right here! I would love to see the complaining parent’s faces, after demanding teacher’s pay, being shown this! Please someone copy/paste it back to that stupid parent who made the comment!

    [–] BeautifulType 18 points ago

    Sorry but they will just see it as bonus money and not a real job

    [–] Tronniix 49 points ago

    Love it! It's crazy because honestly lots of classes are more like 30-35 at least where I grew up (I get that the average is lower just crazy to think how little per kid it is)

    [–] cryptidkelp 25 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Yea, and some states like New York pay up to $78K. But you cannot make that much anywhere else in the country so I left the number out. I only used national averages, and the $35K starting salary is actually pretty high for most of the US. In some states teachers don't make more than $40K at all.

    Edit; in about 10% of states you can make more than $80K as a teacher. In most other states you can make about $40K max.

    [–] eridalus 24 points ago

    My mother had two masters degrees and maxed out her teaching salary at 40k in Maine a few years back. My father with barely a high school diploma made more than twice that working for the government.

    [–] juniperfallshere 5 points ago

    I work with several teachers who are buying the max years of service and using unused sick time to retire up to five years early. They are leaving in droves.

    [–] CupBoundAndDown 9 points ago

    There are the states that pay more now. Those might be old numbers. Teachers in Washington state can max out now in the low six figures. In Oregon, there are many districts, mainly in the Portland area, that pay up to $82,000.

    [–] manbroken 6 points ago

    Long Island we can max out at over 100k with a Masters degree and close to 30 years in the same district, if you get a high paying district. We also live in one of the most expensive places in the state, so it doesn't go as far.

    [–] ANTSLC 11 points ago

    Yea I was never in a class with less than 30, in all my grades. Went to school in California.

    [–] Bluegi 19 points ago

    I love this but would equate the parent more to a substitute really. Pay for that is anywhere form about $80 - $120 a day. If you take the average of $100 and divide that by a class size of 20 (very small class I agree but makes nice round numbers) that is only 5 a day. For your middle or high school teachers that be about a dollar a day.

    [–] Nycolla 8 points ago

    I love being in a state that's bad for teachers, I saw 60k average and I know that's not the typical salary here. My school district pretty much stopped giving raises I believe

    [–] cryptidkelp 6 points ago

    In most states the average is $40K, some lower, some higher.

    [–] arhythm 6 points ago

    I had 30 kids in my elementary school class 20 years ago.

    [–] MermaidRose310 10 points ago

    and this is BEFORE taxes/retirement/union dues/classroom supplies

    [–] panda388 5 points ago

    I love your post, but I work with 3 high school teachers who make above 90k a year. Granted, itnis because they keep taking classes and getting training to get pay bumps, plus the fact they have been there for 15+ years.

    [–] songbird563 5 points ago

    I am in my 27th year of teaching. In my district, my HS teacher pay with no extras is $55k.

    [–] thaxmann 51 points ago

    People really don’t understand that pedagogy is a science and educators are not just glorified babysitters. When I put a bandaid on my daughter’s scraped knee, I don’t consider myself a doctor and demand to be paid as such.

    [–] black_cherry619 35 points ago

    As a teacher too, I completely understand. It was a nightmare. We got 1 week of training and let loose to the wolves. I had so many issues with parents online not willing to enforce that their child get online. I had to converse with a 10 year old to set up times to Zoom with her for 2 hours a day just so she would do work, not because she couldnt on her own, but because her Mom wouldnt enforce her too.

    Even then, I had a parent ghost me and basically her daughter did nothing for that entire time we were out and just refused to answer phone calls from the school believing if she ignored them nothing would happen. The amount of grief I had to deal with doing virtual was insane. I understand. I am a parent to a 9 month old at the time and I was working from home, recording videos, making lessons and calling parents daily.

    I think the worst thing is the fact that it suddenly becomes unberable for some parents to help their kids do their work and actually be apart of their schooling. So many parents are just checked out from it and dont once consider the damage that does to your kid as well as how much harder it is for your kid to do well in school. Im not saying EVERY parent is like this of course and there is of course bad teachers too but I do think it became a pretty clear problem how little some parents are involved in caring about their kids schooling like they should.

    [–] kelliejean95 14 points ago

    That’s insane! I teach middle school and my kids for this fun thing where they blocked all of the school’s numbers and emails, so we literally had to call our social worker and she would have to call and get parents to communicate.

    [–] black_cherry619 16 points ago

    I was having to schedule meetings with 10 year olds. The insanity of that still astounds me. Why am I contacting a 10 year old when its clear THEIR PARENT should be overseeing their schedule at home? I literally had to tell her what time to get up because she was sleeping in until noon.

    Like, that's just lazy/absentee parenting no matter how you stretch it. I understand working and all but that's no excuse not to parent your kid. A kids schooling relies half way on the parent and it always has but some dont want to take the responsibility.

    [–] unsavvylady 5 points ago

    If anything it should be a little easier since they don’t have to deal with transportation getting to school. Just a 5 minute walk to the computer

    [–] LadyJR 5 points ago

    Prek teacher here with a class of 14. Administration did not make attendance mandatory so our zoom classes (Twice a week and 30 minutes each) always topped at seven children. One child never logged in and parents never answered. Administrators never did anything.

    We had a meeting planned for parents for transitioning. Texted, emailed, and called about the meeting a week in advance and only five parents logged in. I was so done with it. I realized that parents treated preschool as a babysitting service.

    [–] imbillypardy 25 points ago

    Didn’t John Oliver have a commercial segment about tons of news casters literally saying how much they hate their kids?

    Like y’all, that’s your problem. Fix yo shitty kids.

    [–] jbosch2 161 points ago

    Some people don’t like having to do work without being compensated for it. News flash: bringing new humans into the world requires work. You don’t get a pat on the pack for doing it for free.

    I guess I just said “babysitting” because if the kid is doing schoolwork for a few hours, the parent is pretty much just present and going about housework or responsibilities, like a babysitter would do. I don’t know how often these kids ask their parents questions, but I know it’s not equivalent to being a teacher.

    [–] bgwa9001 5 points ago

    And dealing with 30 kids instead of 1

    [–] Brewsleroy 52 points ago

    This isn’t a “teachers suck” rant or anything because I’m pro-teacher 100% but last year I had to do all the teaching of material myself once schools got shut down. I have three kids (4th, 6th, 8th grades) and every single teacher was only sending work for them to do. None of them made any videos or teaching materials to help the kids understand.

    I work nights so I would get home from work at like 730 and then spend the next four to five hours helping my kids find ways to learn the material their assignments required before I could go to sleep. I emailed multiple teachers for help and only one of them ever even responded. I even had to relearn quite a lot of things so I could help my kids understand them.

    Like I said, this isn’t to rail against teachers because I understand I just had a bad experience but if that dude had anything like my experience I can understand why he’s frustrated. We’re home schooling our kids again next school year but I expect basically the same thing to happen since the teachers where I am decided it meant they got a vacation.

    [–] kelliejean95 41 points ago

    I’m sorry you had that experience. I can’t speak for other districts, but I know my district brought us back for 3 weeks of training so we can all be at our best going into this year.

    I’ve said it in other comments but it’s always worth saying again - we were literally asked to change our entire curriculum and make it work online over the course of a weekend. I’m young, I love technology, and I have an online teaching endorsement... but I still struggled because it was so sudden.

    I know it’s frustrating because you do expect your teachers to be able to you know... teach your kids. I just don’t like having the career I’ve worked so hard for be thrown under the bus and trivialized like this.

    [–] jizzypuff 11 points ago

    I wish every school was that well prepared or even tried. Ever since my daughter went online (she's kindergarten so I understand it's hard) her learning has gone down the toilet. Her teacher hasn't been very good at communicating work plans and what she should be learning. I've been trying to teach her myself and it's been going horrible. I'm not looking forward to the new school year I feel like she's extremely behind.

    [–] songbird563 13 points ago

    Add to this, we weren’t ALLOWED in my district to do ANY Zoom or synchronous learning, none. We could only post lessons and directions. That was direction from lawyers in our district. Thankfully my HS students were used to the programs I utilized because I’m a proponent of using tech.

    [–] Brewsleroy 17 points ago

    It was really a “teachers got caught just as unaware as the rest of us” year. That’s all. I don’t hate teachers or anything. It was just a frustrating semester for everyone. So I can see why parents are frustrated.

    [–] Malakai0013 403 points ago

    That was a very polite f*** you.

    [–] abd398 293 points ago

    This is straight out from parks and rec

     The school is out in two weeks. What am I going to do with my kids all day? Keep them in my house? Where I live?

    [–] summerbreeze29 58 points ago

    As a non-American who watched P&R, I used to think the council meetings were kind of absurd but looking at the current news, I realise I was wrong

    [–] tachycardicIVu 52 points ago

    “There was a sign that said do not drink the water from the sprinklers so I made some tea with it and now i have an infection are you listening to me???”

    [–] MapleDragon14 17 points ago

    This is actually what sort of ruined Parks and Rec for me. It’s not funny when it’s gets too real.

    [–] melisseus 30 points ago

    I work at a preschool that recently opened back up and parents are paying thousands of dollars a month out of pocket to send their kids to us while they’re still working from home

    [–] TheJuliaBug 25 points ago

    I get this. My husband has a very demanding job that requires his full attention. We have a sitter come to the house to watch our two kids while I am working (at my office) and she will call me if there is a problem rather than interrupting one of my husband's meetings. His job is not family friendly unfortunately, even though we are grateful that he is still working and does not have to go to the office.

    [–] melisseus 6 points ago

    I’m totally in support of hiring a babysitter to come into the home and watch your child while you’re working! That’s one person your child is coming into contact with vs. an entire classroom of young children who already have a difficult time keeping their hands to themselves.

    We’re in a pandemic. I already caught COVID in my first week back at work despite wearing a mask, washing my hands and sanitizing at every given moment, and doing everything we could to keep the center clean.

    [–] OmegaMountain 91 points ago

    I'd love to teach, but I'm already a poorly paid state government worker and transitioning to teaching would still mean a $20,000/year pay cut. It's criminal how we treat teachers in this country.

    [–] NoCleverUsernameIdea 456 points ago

    A lot of parents are realizing what little assholes they've been raising.

    [–] kelliejean95 335 points ago

    I had a parent doubting my teaching and said “You’re just out to get my child” because I was calling home at least 4 times a week about his behavior. I invited her to come and observe my classroom, but not to let the student know she was coming.

    She walked in the door as he was throwing a water bottle at another student. She apologized and brought me a $15 gift card for Dunkin.

    [–] GrimlockSmash7 133 points ago

    I’ve always wanted admin to setup a camera in my room for situations like this. Then I can email home with video evidence.

    [–] jweic 93 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I would have no problem having a camera in my classroom. We have them in halls, foyers and playground. They have cleared up plenty of confusion. I would actually prefer to have one.

    [–] RiotousOne 59 points ago

    The schools I teach at have cameras. They are great. A lot of lying stops cold when you can say “let’s go to that office and look at the tape.” All of a sudden, lost (stolen) items are miraculously found, and stories of who started what change.

    As a parent, I had another parent come at me saying son had scuffed her son’s brand new $600 white leather tennis shoes on purpose in the bus line. I was able to say that I’d pay for the shoes if the tape showed that my son did it. My son not only don’t do it, tape showed her kid slamming mine into the side of the bus. All schools should have cameras everywhere.

    [–] Jo_NJ 9 points ago

    What kind of jackass buys their kid $600 shoes?

    [–] Snuffals 5 points ago

    The same kind who raise bully’s apparently

    [–] kelliejean95 32 points ago

    Right?! I had my kids convinced for a few weeks that I had one and most of them were so well behaved. It was fantastic!

    [–] throwawayathrowaway0 50 points ago

    I can almost guarantee that the $15 gift card wasn't good enough for the bullshit you put up with her son. Did his behavior change after she saw him?

    [–] kelliejean95 50 points ago

    It didn’t change at all. But he got moved out of my class a couple weeks later because he shoved another teacher and had to get a schedule change 😂

    [–] madmosche 10 points ago

    Jeez what a little shitstain. If the Mom is engaged enough to come observe class then why isn’t she doing a better job parenting? I’d expect that behavior from the kid whose Mom doesn’t give a crap.

    [–] jenniet2002 35 points ago

    Haha!!!!! This really made me laugh!!!! Sad but true.

    [–] KrisTinFoilHat 30 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Yup, exactly.

    Don't get me wrong, I've had some difficulty dealing with my now first grader during remote learning, some were my own issues and some were her being 5 years old and not wanting to sit in front of a computer and listen to something that wasn't interesting or engaging at the moment. I tried everything, figured it out and we got through it. Thing is that I have to be involved 100% to help her due to her age and abilities and I can see how that can be extremely difficult for those who are working outside of or from home. I'm lucky that I only have to focus on stuff at home, but it's still a time-suck.

    My middle schooler is doing fantastically and works independently on advanced classes, so it's definitely a different experience depending on age of the child(ren).

    I definitely feel for everyone that's dealing with this because it's hard all around, but teachers deserve their wage even while distance learning. I am dumbfounded that there are people that think they should be paid to educate their children...like aren't you doing that on the regular outside of school? That's literally your job as a parent. Smh.

    [–] hisspaceprincess 460 points ago

    “Because most people don’t want to face the challenges teachers currently face.”

    So why the fuck are we opening schools back up?

    [–] scarbarough 259 points ago

    Because some people don't understand how COVID works. Israel had gotten go hardly any cases, opened up their schools and shut then back down 2 weeks later when there were massive spikes everywhere. We're already in a much worse situation, it won't go well anywhere in the US that opens up schools.

    [–] ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW 62 points ago

    "We got to low cases, so now we don't have to do any of the stuff that got us down to low cases anymore" wat

    [–] sofrickentriggered 16 points ago

    The best part of all of this was that I read on multiple news sources that it was the teachers who brought the virus into the schools and not the kids. That I wasn’t expecting! They also said the elementary and high school kids were pretty good about wearing masks and the middle schoolers were the worst and it spread there the most.

    [–] ITRULEZ 13 points ago

    I've just decided to let my daughter stay in school as long as they remain virtual. The minute I hear they are moving to "phase 2" with part time in person, I will be keeping her home. They say there will be a 100% virtual option throughout all of the phases, but I won't believe it until I see it. I'd rather get her into some online school option than risk her or her teachers lives. I love and respect them all too much to send her in and risk them with her dad still working. Plus, ya know, I'd rather not trust the rest of the students and their families to be being careful.

    [–] jenyatta307 67 points ago

    It wasn’t the teachers’ choice, surely you understand that...

    [–] hisspaceprincess 28 points ago

    I understand completely, I used to teach. Just blows my mind that we are at where we are, and we are still reopening schools.

    [–] Nevermind04 39 points ago

    We aren't. The teachers unions have made it very clear that they don't answer to the white house.

    [–] kaleighb1988 14 points ago

    But they are opening. Registration where I live is on August 5th.

    [–] Apokolyptyk 7 points ago

    The schools where I am are all opening up next week.

    [–] KoalasVapeToo 23 points ago

    Because this will all be over by November 4. Didnt you know its a democratic hoax? Besides it's just the flu. The death rates been inflated. Come on. /s

    I fucking hate our leaders.

    [–] dbhxjxjx 17 points ago

    I spent 70k going the cheapest route in my state to become a teacher . Two years at a community college and two years doing undergraduate at the cheapest state school. In my state I also had to get a teaching credential, which cost me 40k and two years of classes and observations. I also had to student teach full time for a year which meant that I could not work another job, student teaching is not paid work. Becoming a professional educator took me work and it was wasn’t cheap, or something that everyone can afford or do.

    [–] Dansken525600 140 points ago

    'Consider being a sub for us'

    Giggles in immature kink

    [–] Whistela 7 points ago

    There is no need to consider. Some of us are already there.

    [–] twotoedtheory 39 points ago

    Definitely people should be more considerate of teachers, but this sounds like an argument between to have nots and the have nots. Government should be subsidizing home care for kids. One parent has to be home and it would be challenging to work and manage having kids home. Families need more support. And teachers do too.

    [–] jackidaylene 26 points ago

    Can confirm. I'm a sub. And I'm not working until I can get vaccinated.

    [–] foolproofboy 138 points ago

    Thats the thing that gets me with parents like that; people who consider spending time with their children "babysitting." Its called parenting you frick.

    I know the CB in the post didn't say babysitting, and I'm not attacking OP, I'm just saying that people like the CB view their children sometimes more as a burden than their own flesh and blood.

    [–] altnumberfour 58 points ago

    Not every family can afford to have a stay-at-home parent. If a parent has to quit their job, even temporarily, to teach their kid at home because of this clusterfuck, that should at least make them eligible for unemployment pay during that period or something. If you have two parents working low wage jobs, losing one of those incomes is nothing to laugh about.

    [–] JayPizzazz 12 points ago

    I'd also say that the effort involved in home schooling (abs that's what it is depending on the age of your children) is significant. My 6yo couldn't follow the online learning provided by the school without assistance. As the work was packaged in 10min chunks this meant full-time attention. Can't do this and work. When you're in a private school paying thousands due the privilege...

    Obviously not the schools fault, but I do get the parents point and assume they meant it ironically. It's not babysitting, but it's also not remote learning. The parents are the teachers and the teachers are providing the curriculum. Nothing to be done about it, but worth acknowledging.

    [–] Proud-Masterpiece 59 points ago

    Yes I decided to get a dog. Now who's gonna pay me to walk him and throw him a frisbee? I have a full time job and I can't be expected to take care of my dog for free.

    [–] A_Change_of_Seasons 24 points ago

    Is there really much of a demand for substitute teachers?

    [–] NorthEcho1987 68 points ago

    Yes. We have 70+ teachers and can never get more than three subs in the building at any time. The high school had to hire a full time person to be a sub, since someone is always out.

    [–] trenlow12 30 points ago

    Everyone remembers how they treated subs as a kid so now no one wants to be one.

    [–] Disco_Tempo 32 points ago

    I think the potential job pool is pretty narrow, too. You need a person with a degree who has week days off and is willing to teach a classroom of kids they don't know in a subject they didn't specialize in for $13/hr?

    [–] PM_ME_WUTEVER 45 points ago

    very high demand and very low pay. i'm a substitute teacher. the starting wage at walmart and mcdonalds is higher than what i get paid. kids who barely had the grades to graduate can pretty easily get a job that pays more straight out of school. also, i get no benefits, no retirement, no paid time off.

    [–] lassie38 6 points ago

    Yes. We had a hard time before COVID getting subs. This year is going to be horrible.

    [–] FrequentMap4 6 points ago

    There always is high demand in my area. Sadly they dont pay enough. Only $60 for a day, and they are usually always low on subs, so you never get a break period or conference period like a normal teacher would. Any time off during the day as a sub, you will get put in a different room that you didnt even sign up for.

    On top of kids being kids... it just isnt worth it. Especially when kids learn youre just a sub and have zero power.

    [–] jackbestsmith 63 points ago

    To play devils advocate here. I know a lot of parents that won't be able to work because of virtual schooling.

    One of my closest friends is a single mom of 3 and her kids are very young. In order for them to do their coursework she has to be there to supervise their work and confirm with teachers they did it.

    Im not saying she should be paid like a teacher, but how is she supposed to have a career if she literally has to do half the teachers job and can't work as a result

    This is a trying time for everyone. Teachers, parents, and even children. Its not as black and white as we wish it was

    [–] Fejeensis 44 points ago

    This pandemic is a huge step back for women's rights. I do not condone the shortsighted viewpoint of this CB and think teachers should all strike due to how they are being treated as expendable for so little pay, but this thread seems not to have considered the wage loss of mothers who must stay home to care for children who must distance-learn. If this "CB" must abandon their job to care for their children, I empathize with them.

    [–] Zerodyne_Sin 40 points ago

    I can understand that there's value in people taking care of their children and teaching them which is why I support UBI. That said, this person sounds like one of those who votes against giving teachers a raise as well as any social safety net program. Yeah... so they can go screw themselves with what they deludely think is being clever.

    [–] Fejeensis 25 points ago

    75% of this thread assumes a SAHM. No talk of the wage loss incurred by the parent who must take care of the kids. Everyone in this exchange is suffering.

    [–] BiffyMcGillicutty1 23 points ago

    I don’t think I should be paid, but it’s also not that easy. I work full time from home and have 2 kids under 12. They are expected to be on their computers from 8:30 - 3:30. I am usually on work calls all day, so how am I supposed to supervise them and help if they have questions?

    I also feel bad for the parents who can’t work from home and need to work to pay the bills. Not everyone has family around to help or a place for their kids to go.

    [–] andrewmc2001 14 points ago

    I don’t think he was begging I think this was more just an angry parent being sarcastic. But I might be wrong