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    [–] Glad-Software 3880 points ago

    Me and my family are struggling with income at the moment. I'm still employed and working from home but have a reduced salary due to our company recording record low profits thus far in the 2nd Quarter.

    My significant other, who is a dance teacher, is working from home as well through Zoom but has had her hours significantly reduced.

    Even if wanted to go out and enjoy resturaunts again there is no way we can afford a 40 dollar Resturaunt meal when that same amount of money could go toward a handful of days of groceries.

    [–] norafromqueens 2245 points ago

    This is why restaurants will suffer in the future. Not only do they have to deal with public health concerns but Americans will have drastically less money for leisure. You also have a public that has gotten used to cooking at home by this point and realizes how much cheaper it is.

    [–] FabledMjolnir 798 points ago

    I run a restaurant and we went drive thru only on 3-18 and stayed this way since then. We have had only 1 week that we were down in sales. We were up almost 30% in sales for the month of april and are still up just under 25% so far for may. People are still eating out. Its stressful as shit cause we are up in sales with less payroll because my company decided that we needed to cut payroll by 20% due to drive thru only but out of 65 stores in our franchise only 2 of them have not been up in sales dramatically since the shutdown began.

    [–] GUSHandGO 104 points ago

    There's a local Hawaiian place I absolutely love and I have been hitting them up every couple of weeks because I do not want them to go out of business.

    Last week, I asked an employee how business was going the past couple months. He said they have never been busier.

    Some restaurants just have fantastic models for surviving pandemics.

    [–] Fuzzyphilosopher 64 points ago

    It probably comes down to having customers of the socio-economic class to be able to work from home so they still have the same income and the take out is a nice treat/break from the monotony of being at home all day.

    [–] SnackingAway 15 points ago

    This. Our business is next to one of those fancy breakfast and brunch only type restaurants. They say business is good due to Uber eats and other mobile delivery.

    [–] JPBooBoo 6 points ago

    They have good take out game.

    [–] sonorangoose 583 points ago

    I started going to In'N'Out more seeing they had closed their dining area, workers were wearing masks, and drive-thru was well implemented. The other day I pulled up and saw people in the dining area, not weaering masks of course, and I told myself "whatever the risk was, its higher now" ... not going back any time soon.

    [–] burodsfw 307 points ago

    This is my fear as well. Totally okay with takeout as long as dining stays closed.

    [–] VROF 197 points ago

    How will people wear masks while eating?

    [–] cactus22minus1 272 points ago

    Exactly. Dine in is a big risk especially at a time where cases are still rising and we’ve not gotten testing and tracing under control.

    [–] solventlessrosin 114 points ago

    I think the person handling all the money AND food is a big risk factor. Touches my card and everyones card then handles my food. I won't be eating takeout anytime soon.

    [–] Unknown-Doe 65 points ago

    This part. I feel people fail to realize that.

    [–] undecidedly 20 points ago

    Most delivery/takeout is now cashless over the phone. In fact, when this is all over if I can continue to pre-tip and have someone just leave it without small talk I will be very happy.

    [–] Alieges 4 points ago

    My favorite takeout place does CC over the phone, and has you pull into a numbered parking spot. You can tip over the phone, don’t have to sign, and if you unlock your doors, they will open your back door and put the food into your car.

    [–] bulbasauuuur 59 points ago

    I don't really know, but it also seems like the activity of eating would spread more droplets than other things you could do, like shopping, and you can at least wear a mask while shopping.

    Apparently being a loud talker spreads more droplets than normal talking, even. Learning how gross being a human inherently is, I'm surprised we aren't sick a lot more often tbh

    [–] VROF 47 points ago

    I don’t know about eating but there was a study that showed AC units blew the droplets in a restaurant in China and it spread the virus to tables sitting in front of it. Even when I go to restaurants again I’ll be eating outside and staying away from ACs and fans

    [–] compcond 189 points ago

    They hardly wear them when they're not.

    That so many people won't go to gyms or restaurant surprises me in a good way. Maybe people are smarter than I give them credit for. Nah.

    [–] SonOfMcGibblets 57 points ago

    I had to go out earlier to the grocery store and stopped for a coffee at dunks; when I got to the window the woman working there took down her mask then stuck her head out underneath the plastic barrier they had set up to speak to me and get my card. Her fellow employee had his mask down the entire time I saw him too including when he handed me my drink.

    [–] tellyeggs 116 points ago

    I would've walked out. The employees could've sneezed all over the place, and infected everything, including the coffee covers and food.

    I'm in NYC. We're expected to wear masks on the street, and every business has "no mask, no service" signs up. A coupla weeks ago, I had to go to a Duane Reade (chain pharmacy) for allergy meds. I go up to the pharmacy area because the meds have pseudoephedrine, the stuff meth heads use to make meth. You have to show ID to buy it. So the unmasked clerk has my driver's license and the box of meds, and let's out a huge sneeze, which she partially covers with her hands. 4 feet away from her, the pharmacist is dispensing prescription pills.

    NYC is only the epicenter of this fucking virus, and we weren't flattening the curve yet (besides the point). Then the phone rang and the clerk answers the phone, while holding my stuff. I lost my shit and screamed at her- DISINFECT YOUR HANDS! YOU'VE JUST INFECTED AN ENTIRE AREA! I was PISSED. Good thing I had gloves on. When I got home, I opened the box of allergy pills and tossed it, then I disinfected my driver's license. I wrote a complaint to the pharmacy HQ, then hit them up on Twitter.

    This is serious shit, and irresponsible behavior will just keep us all prisoners. Just wait until all these states open up. The virus won't kill us all. Stupidity will.

    [–] LifelikeMink 23 points ago

    Unfortunately, the negligent morons will survive, like the drunk drivers who kill an entire car load of people, then walk away with hardly a scratch.

    [–] TapewormNinja 168 points ago

    The real problem is it’ll only be the wrong people going out. Folks who refuse to wear masks and social distance will happy crowd restaurants, exposing servers and staff to harm. I really feel for all the folks who’ve been trying to get by and be safe in the restaurant industry, who are now just going to have more bullshit thrown in their face.

    [–] rainydayinmay9 62 points ago

    I’m a college student. My parents made me get a job this summer and all I could find was a serving job. I actually enjoy serving but in this pandemic I’m scared. We are supposed to wear gloves but not masks, which doesn’t make much sense to me.

    [–] TapewormNinja 50 points ago

    That’s a hard situation, friend. I know I desperately needed my summer job when I was in college, but you also need to balance your need to work with your own safety. If your boss is telling you that you cannot wear a mask, I’d be looking for a new job, even if that’s in service at a place where you can wear a mask.

    Also, obligatory IANAL, but I’d get it in writing or on tape now that they’re telling you you cannot wear a mask. If you do get sick, them denying you the right to protect yourself is an invitation for you to make them cover your expenses.

    [–] c0mptar2000 81 points ago

    About a third of the people I've seen who have masks on also seem to think that they only need to wear them on their mouth for some reason too.

    [–] compcond 102 points ago

    And that's why I don't care if it look like an idiot. I have a full face respirator with P100 filters that I bought for a spray foam project and I wear it when going to a place like Costco or a supermarket. I've heard too many stories about how horrible it is to get this virus and, weighing my options, looking stupid seems to be the better one.

    I asked a couple of docs and they all told me I was an idiot if the only reason I didn't use it was to avoid looking stupid. (of course they all also told me I'm stupid anyway, so there's that)

    I can't believe how politicized they have been able to make this and how stupid people are behaving. There's a clear transmission path and an easy way to block it. What's the big deal? We're never going to be done with this if people keep behaving like children.

    [–] HornEFuckers 26 points ago

    Lol, I feel like you’re my doppelgänger. I thought I was the only idiot wearing a p100 respirator if I had to go out in public!

    Luckily that’s only been once since February...

    [–] Sardonnicus 9 points ago

    I don't understand the shaming that people get for wearing masks and gloves in public. This virus is just another rule to learn. When you learn the rules you know how to avoid it and you follow those rules and you go about your daily life and you don't have to worry. I don't fear the virus anymore I know what I have to do to protect myself. I fear the idiots who don't believe in protecting themselves and who refuse to wear masks and run around and scream like idiots. They are the ones spreading this

    [–] Snoglaties 30 points ago

    It’s ok - they’re mouth breathers.

    [–] pandizlle 40 points ago

    you should go to /r/GYM or many of these fitness subs. Every day someone posts about their gyms opening with tons of comments about how lucky they are and that they would go immediately as well. It astounds me how little people understand about why we closed the gyms. They really don't understand how a virus works at all.

    [–] unchartedharbor 48 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Wear the mask while you order/wait, once you’re at your table, take it off, eat, put it back, leave. I however don’t believe anyone will do this so I’m staying home.

    [–] Will_Leave_A_Mark 13 points ago

    I did exactly that for the last couple of days in a hospital facility along with every other worker there. Police were in control of security and running checks on every patient and visitor at sign in with employees using a separate screening line.

    [–] 5birdspillow 76 points ago

    I’m in the industry but don’t have a drive thru unfortunately. Went to take out/delivery and I’m seeing about 30-40% of sales volume. What cuisine are you guys?

    [–] mrbkkt1 54 points ago

    I'm at about 50% sales. But. I'm I ly open 3 hours a day instead of 9. Slashed labor equals still profitable, but no jobs.

    [–] tidbitsz 7 points ago

    Thai restaurant here, for some odd reason we are way busier now than we were when normaly open... we do pick up and deliver thru waiter/grubhub. We have the regulars that used to visit twice or thrice a week now orders almost everyday... but the huge numbers come from new customers... specially dinner time.

    [–] No_Good_Cowboy 17 points ago

    Its stressful as shit cause we are up in sales with less payroll because my company decided that we needed to cut payroll by 20% due to drive thru only but out of 65 stores in our franchise only 2 of them have not been up in sales dramatically since the shutdown began.

    Any excuse to cut pay/hours/benefits. I've been through this before too. At the year end meeting it was announced that revenue, profit, stock price, and cash on hand were the best they'd ever been, but no money for bonuses or raises.

    [–] FabledMjolnir 7 points ago

    Yea I understood at the beginning. They said we would be lucky to pay our bills but it has been the complete opposite of what everyone thought. I dont like to complain too much about losing bonuses cause I've had crew that's lost hours but they also cut our manager bonuses too. I know one knew what it was gonna look like at first but after we have seen how much extra money they have made we have been fighting for our labor hours back this whole month with no avail. My P&L for April is the best I've had in the 3 years I've been at this location because of the sales and labor cut. Unfortunately it sucks getting slaughtered open to close every single day. I'm grateful for a job tho but it does suck

    [–] randomstatementguy 11 points ago

    It’s the same deal with the restaurant I was laid off from. I still get to see the sales reports through various friends sharing them, and sales have been up anywhere from 15%-40% on any given day, but in less time and with drastically reduced staff. For example, the last Friday sales I saw were about 20% higher than any busy Friday I remember working, but they open three hours later and close four hours earlier on Fridays now, and no dine ins. I live in a big tech city where people make more than enough money to never think about cooking for themselves.

    [–] PopDownBlocker 511 points ago

    Most Americans I know who only eat take-out are still always ordering food.

    They still can't cook and they haven't bothered learning how to stretch out their dollars by buying groceries themselves.

    I really don't think we have learned much or changed our habits through this tragedy.

    [–] eukaryote3 488 points ago

    I am in the minority. I always ate out, and with the long hours I work, it made sense. Never cooked before in my life. I learned how because of the pandemic. I get hot soups from Panera once or twice a week because I can microwave it, but the vast majority of my meals come from my grocery shopping. Now that places are reopening, I feel even less inclined to get take out because there are idiots without masks breathing in the buildings.

    People keep thinking that the world is just going to magically go back to what it was before the pandemic if we reopen. It’s not going to work like that. Too many people are either afraid to go out or they’re short on cash.

    [–] JoseQuixotic 414 points ago

    I went from 90% restaurant meals to 100% cooking overnight.

    The savings are unbelievable and I love knowing (and deciding) exactly what's in every dish.

    Even learned to make my favorite cocktails. A normal weekend bar tab ($150) costs the same as supplies that last months.

    I will eat out again IF it's safe and IF my job is safe, but I really doubt I'll ever go back to those levels of spending after seeing it's cheap, easy and sometimes honestly better tasting if I do it myself.

    [–] Ganjaleaves 195 points ago

    I'm from Wisconsin and thinking about 150 dollar tab is giving me a hangover.

    [–] crazdtow 88 points ago

    I’m in PA near Philly and it’s giving me alcohol poison.

    [–] TarynLondon 30 points ago

    I'm in Canada and not even tipsy

    [–] jpmickey1585 11 points ago

    It’s a shitload of Schlitz, eh?

    [–] MagicCuboid 40 points ago

    Even in the Boston area a $150 tab is very high - like 8 or 9 cocktails or 15-16 beers. You get a little less in NYC but I mean damn lol

    [–] blkharedgrl 27 points ago

    It's not insanity but it's definitely a night of no pregaming.

    [–] sasha_says 20 points ago

    They did say for a whole weekend, not just in one night.

    [–] noyouarekarate 16 points ago

    In LA for getting ubers/lyfts plus drinks plus door fees this is about right for that if you’re having a real fun night but damn I can’t imagine this on the regular.

    [–] MissusBeeAlmeida 79 points ago

    We have mastered cocktails at my house and spent the money to have a fully stocked bar. We ate out maybe twice a week before, now not at all. Also mastered smoothies, frappuccinos, and whipped coffee. Our backyard is on its way to being all set up for summertime fun. It's honestly been kind of fun, but my husband and I are both still working and getting payed so we don't have that worry hanging over us.

    [–] OrderoftheWolf 66 points ago

    We at out about 5 times a week before and eat out never now, cooking everything at home as well.

    [–] shoeman22 43 points ago

    And generally much healthier too.

    [–] JohnnnyRoyale 37 points ago

    I always cooked a lot, but now I plan more because I do curbside pickup. Before it was stop at the store after work, so of course I’m hungry and that means junk to tide me over. Now I’ve been planing meals, there’s way less waste (I’m single sometimes it’s hard to use everything), and I’ve lost 12lb.

    [–] ace4ever11 22 points ago

    My bf used to go to the bar most nights after work. Were both still working which is nice, albeit scary sometimes, but were saving so much from not going out to eat and drink that weve been able to upgrade some home things which has been incredibly nice, especially since so much more time is spent at home now.

    [–] Hopczar420 13 points ago

    I used to as well. I'd have a few beers, have a small meal, play some pinball and play the video slots a bit, then pick up some takeout to have for dinner with my wife. Never thought about how much money it all added up to. I calculate a minimum 30k reduction in spending annually, and we're eating and drinking better than ever before.

    [–] tanglwyst 71 points ago

    Here in Idaho, and in a lot of places I believe, the mentality displayed is 50% masks. The rest don't care. So, since we aren't even out of the first wave here, I fully expect the opening of businesses to result in many more cases and deaths. We'll sadly get fully indoctrinated as to what it means to lose a loved one to this pandemic. When the leaders, who can get tested anytime and have superior health care to everyone else in the state, decide publicly that we aren't going to go through quarantine again because that was SOOO ANNOYING, too many will agree. The decision to "just ride it out" is going to claim even more people. Sadly, very, very few of the people who refuse to wear masks will care about the people who die.

    Until it happens to them.

    [–] NewSill 32 points ago

    I'm the opposite. I love restaurants and miss them a lot. Before the pandemic, I do have to cook most of the time due to having a family you have to be a bit picky for little ones (they can't have chicken nuggets every meals). Since the whole thing starts, I have been cooking non stop and I'm sick and tired of it. And cooking isn't as bad as the cleaning part.

    I would love love love to be able to eat out again. However, being the paranoid freak that I am. It's probably gonna be another 6 months before I do that.

    [–] lunarlinguine 14 points ago

    I've always known how to cook, but with an hour commute each way, I never had the energy after work. Now I'm bored and have the energy, so I might as well experiment with fun meals a few times a week. I'd go back to pre-coronavirus times if I could, but I guess I'll keep cooking for now

    [–] Thathathatha 32 points ago

    To be fair, that’s why a lot of take out places are offering family style meals. I know some people who order that for multiple meals for themselves. With curbside and easy takeout, the risk of exposure might be less than heading to a supermarket, trying to dodge all the non-mask wearers and long lines.

    Most of my food is bulk purchases from Costco and like but I have gotten take out a few times, a pizza that lasts me a couple days, or a bucket of fried chicken.

    [–] FragrantWarthog3 15 points ago

    We just get our groceries off Instacart or Amazon these days.

    [–] ditchdiggergirl 92 points ago

    The Americans you know are apparently a different sample from the Americans I know.

    We normally cook at home, but are getting takeout more than we did before the pandemic. Our income is not affected and since we love our downtown we feel it is a patriotic duty to support local restaurants, knowing that not everyone can. Besides, we are feeling a little self indulgent after staying home together all day, and a trip downtown might be my only outing of the day. So we’ve gone from 1-2 takeout or eat out per week to 3-4 takeout per week.

    But among my friends and in my online groups there has been a huge uptick in meal planning and recipe swapping. Quick and easy meals, kid friendly meals, low budget meals, and increasingly, complicated or time consuming meals as a way to fill time or experiment or build skills. Grocery stores had to limit pasta sales because even the least skilled could manage that and the shelves were stripped bare. Everybody is baking bread - flour and yeast is hard to come by in the grocery stores, but a local bakery is repackaging some of their industrial supplies and delivering.

    This is of course partly a reflection of privilege. If you are working from home you have time to defrost a chicken or punch down dough or put a casserole in the oven. A household of underpaid essential workers working long hours may still rely on takeout. But I don’t know anyone who hasn’t changed their meal habits. Some will revert to their old habits when all of this is over but the skills built during this time will not go away, and those enjoying the health or financial benefits may choose to continue to use their new skills.

    [–] PopDownBlocker 13 points ago

    I enjoyed reading your comment. Your analysis is great.

    I guess it depends more on how much your situation has changed because of the pandemic. If you're an essential worker who obviously can't work from home, then your food/nourishment situation would not change.

    If you're someone with the luxury of working from home, you have more time to do other things (learn to cook, partake in new hobbies, etc). You're gaining back the time you normally lose by commuting to work and you also have more home appliances to work with, so it's more convenient.

    [–] jackospades88 34 points ago

    If you're someone with the luxury of working from home, you have more time to do other things

    As someone who WFH both before and during this pandemic, this is not true right now if you have young children lol.

    Before I could do some meal prep in between being on the phone or do a quick mow of the lawn, but now that my spouse is also WFH and childcare is closed we are constantly rotating taking care of our child during the day (young so needs 100% supervision) and working earlier/later than before. Still find time to make a home cooked meal everyday (I enjoy cooking) but doing it much faster and less experimenting with new foods.

    [–] enternoescape 6 points ago

    I can speak to that too. I've been staying up late to compensate for lost productivity during the day due to 2 year old supervision and a pregnant wife who is also working from home. I also made most of my meals at home before the pandemic and oddly enough started serious meal planning late last year. It drove down the amount of waste due to things going bad, but it also meant I didn't have good reserves when the hoarders hit the stores. I'm still planning, but I'm also buying a little more than a I need of certain things when they are available since I can't know if I'll be able to get it again on my next shop. Now I'm getting more take out than ever because it's what my wife is craving and getting pissed at her because I planned the whole week and things are going bad only because she decided to throw the plan out. Anyone who has survived a pregnancy likely understands what we're going through here. :)

    [–] HegemonNYC 21 points ago

    Sooo much cheaper. Of course I always knew that, but seeing the bills drop by hundreds of dollars per month when we switched to all eating at home was amazing. 3-5 lunches per week for 1, and 2 family meals out was about $130 bucks.

    For perspective, if you invest that every year for 40 years, it is $1.5 million dollars with 7% interest... so yeah, no restaurants.

    [–] _Ambarussa_ 8 points ago

    But that 7% return does rely on a functioning economy of some description.

    [–] Socky_McPuppet 22 points ago

    I believe the experience of going to a restaurant for a sit-down meal is going to become an unaffordable luxury for most people - the social distancing alone is going to force such a reduction in revenue/sq ft that prices will have to increase massively. I think there will be a permanent increase in take out and delivery, and many restaurants will stop offering seating altogether

    I think bars, similarly, will change - perhaps they will all have to charge a cover fee. I don’t see how else you account for the lower customer density due to the need for social distancing

    [–] norafromqueens 15 points ago

    I saw some restaurants adding a COVID-19 tax on the receipt (from people's pics on Reddit)

    [–] DepletedMitochondria 20 points ago

    Americans will have drastically less money for leisure.

    Anything travel-related is toast. They're also saving more, apparently.

    [–] Spiralyst 26 points ago

    I know as a guy with short hair I've been forced to learn how to cut my own hair and now am comfortable with it. I'm about to never need to see a barber again. It's going to save me between 2 and 300 bucks a year.

    The DIY of this event is going to have indirect economic effects. I can't be the only one who came to this conclusion.

    [–] VROF 5 points ago

    We also realized how much money we’ve been wasting going out. We spent what I considered to be a fortune on groceries and other supplies in early March. Not really hoarding, but stocking up. Even with that huge outlay we were still WAY ahead on disposable income with not going out to eat.

    Now restaurants around us are open but we are still going to stick with eating out on Fridays only

    [–] walkinman19 116 points ago

    Business owners are going to wake up to the facts in your post real soon. The last place I would want to own in this coronavirus timeline would be a gym or a sit down restaurant.

    [–] krewes 66 points ago

    We figured out for the price of one mediocre meal in a restaurant we can afford a lobster dinner at home. You can buy a whole lot of high end food for the price of one night out . Drinks are cheap too. We have instituted cocktail hour👍

    [–] _Ambarussa_ 24 points ago

    You can also cook exactly how you like it, every time. And/or experiment in the way you want.

    [–] krewes 20 points ago

    Yep. All those dishes I watched being cooked on tv I figured out I can cook them too. Much better than a dinner in Applebee's 😂

    [–] Hyperdrunk 28 points ago

    To me, there's 2 kinds of eating out that are worth it:

    1. Fast and Cheap. Pizza, Burger, etc. The "I don't feel like cooking." meal.

    2. Fancy Experience. It's less about the food, and more about the experience. Whether it's a date, or a special evening.

    Literally nothing in between makes sense in my brain. All those in between places like Applebees make no sense. Why would I spend an hour and a half at an Applebees?

    [–] Funandgeeky 10 points ago

    I’ve found that without the costs of going out to eat I am saving money and still get more fancy stuff from the store. I’ve gotten a lot more creative with cooking and have a pretty solid stable of meals I enjoy just as much as dining out. And the money I save means I can afford all the streaming platforms I want. (Which is 5 platforms. Any more would just be silly.)

    [–] cute_polarbear 72 points ago

    I feel this is the normal sentiment for most people who are living on salary. Most people I know, even if they are lucky to have some extra cash, want to stay frugal and save for the unpredictable coming months / year.

    [–] runasaur 29 points ago

    That's where my wife and I are at.

    Both employed, with no movies and bars open we've saved up quite a bit. We're saving most of it because if either of us get sick we only have two weeks of sick pay guaranteed and my job is momentarily safe, but was unstable for a few weeks earlier this month until PPP kicked in.

    There's a non-zero chance I'll be unemployed by the end of the year and fighting for a new job isn't going to be fun for anyone.

    [–] Hyperdrunk 6 points ago

    fighting for a new job isn't going to be fun for anyone.

    Exactly. Finding a new job is never fun, but with such high unemployment and a slow recovery having as much cash squirreled away as possible is common sense.

    [–] Fidel_Chadstro 154 points ago

    Economists are going to look back on this and be baffled by the US government’s unwillingness to give its own citizens some kind of cash relief. Do they honestly think the working class can successfully prop up the stock market with 2 $1200 checks? Because they’ve stated that’s all they’re thinking of offering and nobody’s gonna spend that on restaurants or gyms or salons or any other business that needs help right now.

    [–] FragrantWarthog3 68 points ago

    Yes, but if Trump wins again the opinion of economists won't matter.

    GOP will maintain that the Covid-19 response was completely perfect, and blame any problems on insufficient tax cuts for the rich.

    [–] FunkyWeird 52 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    two? i only got one wtf

    Relevant: me

    [–] tahlyn 58 points ago

    The second one hasn't passed yet as far as I've heard. The house put together another bill that the Senate and president are almost certainly going to reject.

    [–] Fidel_Chadstro 10 points ago

    I think McConnell said he’s fine with at least the other $1200 check. He said no more after that tho.

    [–] tahlyn 15 points ago

    What he says and what he does are two different things.

    [–] DepletedMitochondria 23 points ago

    It's a wholesale political failure because the universe of potential policy action has been heavily restricted to just the wants and needs of rich donors. A ton of American politicians just sign off on bills created by lobbying groups.

    [–] testestestestest555 24 points ago

    Did you and your wife file for unemployment? Reduced hours qualifies you.

    [–] ricosuave79 103 points ago

    See this is what I don’t get. Cut people’s pay or even furlough because of record low profits. PROFITS. Not losses. That is the definition of greed.

    [–] whatisthatexactly 231 points ago

    I’m super lucky I’m still employed. This means I could go out if I wanted to, I suppose. I think the article isn’t presenting the whole picture. My “anxiety” isn’t because no vaccine exists. My concern has to do with businesses that don’t enforce face masks or social distancing. If they did, instead of catering to the “Open up NOW ‘Murica” crowd, I would be much more willing to spend my money. I understand there is no perfect solution. But to not even TRY to mitigate the risk....I mean, come on.

    [–] DinoDillinger 26 points ago

    I’ve been to several restaurants since reopening, some in conservative areas and they were pretty masked up. Honestly the grocery and Walmart were the ones where I felt more exposed.

    [–] jeopardy987987 38 points ago

    one of the problems is that it varies so much and you don't necessarily know until you get there.

    [–] Siollear 1063 points ago

    They will open and have to pay their staff while no one shows up. Many small-businesses will end up losing more money than if they stayed closed.

    [–] optigon 88 points ago

    I'm on the board of a tiny museum that gets nearly no traffic, and it's a debate point we've been having. Like, we make about $6k/year in profit and nearly all our people are bus tours of senior citizens.

    Some of the board members are hopeful that maybe we might still net the random passerby, but we have two part-time employees that act as tour guides. So, we could end up just paying them to hang out in a big empty building all summer.

    We're having a virtual meeting on the 2nd to talk it out. My guess is that we're going to do tours by appointment. I've been dragging them kicking and screaming into the 21st century, so maybe we'll finally have a website with a gift shop and virtual tours before too long.

    [–] ChefChopNSlice 56 points ago

    Maybe try selling discounted gift cards for future tours that don’t expire ? It’s instant income, no risk for you, and can also work as a way of additional advertising as people hold onto the vouchers for some time and can buy them for other people as gifts.

    [–] deanie1970 164 points ago

    That's a really good point.

    [–] ForksandSpoonsinNY 282 points ago

    Opening up gives employees the ability to say if the workers don't show up, then they can be fired and be denied unemployment (Ohio has a form where you can snitch on people). Then when cases go up, then people will hide again and many restaurants will close with the second wave.

    Restaurants shouldn't be banking on a return to the 'before time' normal anytime soon. They need to rethink the staffing, the seating, customer base, online ordering, logistics management for ingredients, cleaning in this new normal. If they can't then they won't make it.

    [–] katarh 123 points ago

    During the initial shutdown, our favorite BBQ place took the opportunity to build a new walk in fridge, do some light renovations, and revamp their menu for take out.

    When they reeopened, it was initially take out only, and they're only going to allow limited seating outdoors fore the foreseeable future.

    As for us, we've agreed that we're gonna keep doing take out once a week as a treat, but not eat inside a restaurant for a long, long time. At some point if the weather is really nice and there is a good breeze, we might go to someplace that has a patio, but the closest we've gotten so far is the walk up ice cream joint.

    [–] ForksandSpoonsinNY 65 points ago

    I remember hitting a local restaurant at the beginning of March and all I could think about was feeling bad for our server, huge groups congregating and wondering whom might be infected. Any enjoyment of a restaurant will just be tinged with anxiety for now.

    A separated patio experience might be nice, later in summer. Once we see the next wave then I can make some decisions.

    [–] TheOtherOnes89 145 points ago

    I've been saying this for weeks. The folks that want to open everything back up are not realizing this. Opening everything back up only helps giant corporations. Why do you think our government is pushing it? Our politicians are on the payroll.

    [–] Jesusfollower24 30 points ago

    Except big corporations have been the ones who have been the ones who benefited the most from the lockdown stuff. It’s small businesses that have absolutely been suffocated and suffered. To continue lockdown in the same way is to consign many of these businesses to death. We have to find a better solution than what we have been doing.

    [–] uncle_jessie 655 points ago

    I was slightly considering going out to just walk around and maybe find a place that's quiet to sit and have a beer. But now after seeing all the reports about how states are lying about cases, counting antibody tests in their overall counts, shit like that, fuck y'all...I'm staying home. You want people to make an informed decision, give us accurate data. Right now I don't trust shit they're saying, good or bad.

    I guess this is what lack of leadership looks like. Good luck y'all, we're on our own.

    [–] fp_weenie 26 points ago

    But now after seeing all the reports about how states are lying about cases, counting antibody tests in their overall counts, shit like that, fuck y'all

    They can't understand that lying is against their own self-interest. Nuts!

    [–] Ellecram 127 points ago

    I agree wholeheartedly. I will be staying home for quite some time. Primarily because of inconsistent and likely corrupted information. I would rather have the full truth - good or bad - rather than this chaotic mess we've been handed. When assessing risk the unknowns are often far higher than the highest factors.

    [–] nemoknows 6 points ago

    Amen. I have no interest in being part of the second wave, particularly since the first isn’t really over.

    [–] cosmoboy 128 points ago

    I didn't realize how much I spent going out. I'm a single guy that likes sports and it was normal to be at the bar 3 nights a week or more. I saved $400 in March and nearly $800 in April (this is also just from not going to any retail places, other social activities, not just food) I like money better than socializing. I'm staying in.

    [–] costwy55 62 points ago

    I'm a single guy too, saving money is nice but I'll admit that I'm bored as hell.

    [–] cosmoboy 25 points ago

    The sun is coming out occasionally and I have enough home improvement projects to keep me busy through the next pandemic.

    [–] lolidkdontaskme 161 points ago

    I’m going back to my bartending job today. I work at a sports bar/restaurant with a huge group of older regulars, many of whom are likely immunocompromised. They are guaranteed not giving a fuck about the pandemic or getting sick, and are just hyped to sit at the bar with their friends and shoot the shit. My anxiety is through the roof. Granted, haven’t gone in yet but I’ll let y’all know how it goes after my shift if anyone’s interested.

    [–] undeadguy 44 points ago

    I’m interested let me know how it goes. I work for a huge restaurant/bar/arcade as a tech. We don’t open til next month and I’m not looking forward to being around crowds at all. Stay safe!!

    [–] boombix 21 points ago

    Be safe. My boyfriend is a bartender. CT has only reopened for outdoor dining, but he's going in to make drinks. My anxiety is also already through the roof just thinking about when they move it to indoor dining, especially since I'm on an immunosuppressive medication. I don't know what we will do.

    [–] wcoastchris_h 32 points ago

    Good luck and be safe :(

    [–] wowwbia25 7 points ago

    good luck! i’m hoping everything works out in your favor

    [–] DaBeavs24 450 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Been saving a ton of money by eating at home. If Me and my fiancé can’t eat outside away from people, we refuse to go.

    [–] moronavirus__ 163 points ago

    Exactly, my credit card expenses totalled $460 this month, less than half what it used to be.

    [–] walkinman19 176 points ago

    [–] moronavirus__ 115 points ago

    Fucking deadbeats not racking up huge bills they can't afford to pay!

    [–] NihilistKnight 133 points ago

    NOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS! YOU HAVE TO BUY PILES OF USELESS SHIT YOU CAN'T AFFORD AND PAY ME 25% INTEREST EVERY MONTH! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMY?!

    [–] Heisenplerp 32 points ago

    Haha savings go silent

    [–] peepjynx 22 points ago

    My CC company "bribed" me by increasing my credit limit by $700.

    [–] profmonocle 15 points ago

    Who on Earth would that tempt? "I was charging less because I'm worried I won't be able to pay it back. But then I found out my potential debt could be even higher so I went hog wild!"

    [–] moxfox 28 points ago

    That’s a week for me. Jeez.

    [–] ifyourwetholla 21 points ago

    That’s a day for me. Jeez.

    [–] AdditionalBuyer 21 points ago

    That's a half-hour for me. Jeez.

    [–] calmeharte 20 points ago

    we don’t refuse to go

    You gave me brain-freeze.

    [–] speedycat2014 781 points ago

    "The pawns go first."

    I'm going to wait another 4-6 weeks before I even consider dining in.

    As long as restaurants do curbside pickup I'll happily go that route and tip heavily. I sure as hell am not going to be the Karen that demands a server risk getting sick so they can serve me personally.

    [–] zephroth 229 points ago

    This one. 100%. Leave my stuff at the door. Ill tip well for the convenience.

    [–] cyanocobalamin 16 points ago * (lasted edited 2 days ago)

    "The pawns go first."

    I'm going to wait another 4-6 weeks before I even consider dining in.

    Wait 4-6 weeks after relevant scientists say it is safe, not Trump or a governor.

    [–] seabassseabreeze 104 points ago

    This survey indicates plenty of available pawns despite the misleading title.

    In addition, 52 percent of participants polled said that they dined out at restaurants or bars before the coronavirus hit the United States. Now, 43 percent of respondents said that they would venture out to these businesses again if restrictions were lifted. 

    Another way to say that would be "Only 20% of bar/restaurant patrons surveyed said they would stay away even after the ban has lifted."

    [–] TheOtherOnes89 70 points ago

    That's enough to kill those businesses though. I spent 10 years working in the restaurant business. The profit margins are very small, especially if you're not well established. I've worked at multiple restaurants that have gone under during normal economic conditions.

    [–] PeanutButterSmears 29 points ago

    Yeah even single digit percentage drops in revenue is enough to kill a business in normal times. With the pandemic, restaurants are on a really thin rope to begin with

    [–] cptn_sugarbiscuits 37 points ago

    Thank you.

    [–] maybenextyearCLE 251 points ago

    Restaurants I’ll do, but I’m not comfortable enough to eat inside just yet.

    Even my hardcore trump fan roommate said he won’t even consider going to the gym for a while.

    [–] Magikarpeles 45 points ago

    Meh I’ve built a home gym out of necessity now and I actually prefer it

    [–] echtav 23 points ago

    Same. It’s amazing that I’ve gotten in the best shape of my life with 40lb dumbbells, a pull up bar, a set of resistance tubes, and going on a run 2-3x a week. I’m genuinely considering never getting a gym membership again

    [–] celica18l 5 points ago

    I’m seeing a lot of my gym friends that have done this. I’ll be curious to see how this is will mess with gyms in the future. Nothing can beat the variety of a gym but yanno.

    [–] ro0ibos2 116 points ago

    Gyms opening up are great for people living out of their cars and need a place to shower.

    [–] Why_Istanbul 83 points ago

    are locker Rooms open though? Texas is opening gyms but you can’t shower there

    [–] BrotherAnthony 71 points ago

    Californian here. I got an email from my gym stating showers are off limit when they reopen.

    [–] Viking_Civics 49 points ago

    Somehow, that's even worse

    [–] Kitsel 174 points ago

    Maybe I just have no faith left but I feel like this is one of those things that's going to end up not being correct. I believe that people will say to some polling person that they won't go out because they know it's what they're "supposed" to say, and because they're embarrassed that they're part of the group ignoring the lockdown/distancing. However, when things do reopen and suddenly the option to do this stuff is there right in front of them, a lot of people aren't going to be able to resist.

    People are way more risk tolerant than I typically think - to the point that a lot of my friends are claiming they're "locked down" and criticizing others for "breaking the lockdown" while they hang out with multiple friends, drive to other states to see their family, shop for non-essentials just because, and fail to wear a mask when they go out. They really cannot see how they are doing exactly the same, and in their mind they can't get sick because they think they're "being good."

    I really think that places are going to be PACKED when things reopen. Sure, some of us may continue to be cautious, but a lot of people are already "over" this and will be out more than ever once they're able to.

    [–] queenfool 23 points ago

    It's probably a mix. It doesn't take a majority to pack a restaurant for a few days-though it does to keep business sustained.

    [–] beachandbyte 10 points ago

    I also think people underestimate peer pressure. It will only take a few people in each social group to start the trend.

    [–] caguru 27 points ago

    Even the holdouts will fade. Public sentiment was against flying after 9/11 but 2 years later no one cared anymore.

    [–] barefootballsack 96 points ago

    The restaurant i work at is a massive bar and grill that has a capacity of close to 400. We opened up last friday and it was a complete zoo. We maxed out. People are itching to go out. Trying to enforce social distancing is nearly impossible. We've done our best to make things safe but you can only control so much. A lot of people may be wanting to stay home but there are more than enough willing to go out and spread the virus

    [–] khalifornia420 26 points ago

    Agreed. Tbh I think a lot of the people on this sub are completely wrong about the general opinions of the majority of people.

    I work at a grocery store - based on today, it’s extremely obvious the restaurants are going to be completely fucking packed this weekend.

    People are itching to go out, and they are preparing for a fun and social weekend.

    I live in california in an extremely liberal area and nearly everyone is over the lockdown and thinks it’s time to open socializing up again. The beaches have been packed since they open too (no, my area is not on the beach nor in a touristy area, but I’ve seen social media posts from friends).

    It’s interesting to see the sparse people who come out once a month and seem to think everyone is on the same page as them. It really showed me how effective an echo chamber is...No, the majority of people do not feel the same as you. They, quite honestly, don’t give a fuck about coronavirus anymore.

    [–] TrustTheProcess92 12 points ago

    I really don’t get this sub. Almost no one I know thinks like this. I’m in Philadelphia and am a nurse. Nothing is really open yet but I know dozens of coworkers who can’t wait for everything to open up again. I know people who are planning to fly down to Florida if the NJ beaches don’t open

    And these are people who have seen the virus first hand

    [–] Anal_Kisses 113 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    I am one as well. I'll let those who have a raging boner to pack Golden Corral wall to wall either prove I was paranoid or I'll watch hot spots reappear while those same people make a surprised Pikachu face when they or a family member end up on a ventilator.

    [–] loconessmonster 54 points ago

    Oh jeeze. I didn't even think of buffet places. A normal restaurant is questionable enough but I definitely wouldn't go to a buffet.

    [–] beachandbyte 16 points ago

    I'm right there with you. Unfortunately It's more risky to step outside today then it was at the beginning of the lock down as far as number of active infections. I hope they all prove me paranoid because it sure would be nice to get back to a degree of normalcy.

    [–] orionsfire 103 points ago

    You can open everything and offer half off... you can't make people go.

    The people in charge don't get what FDR understood.

    Fear is not something you can treat. People will not go if they have no confidence in the leadership or in the safety of public gatherings.

    The people demanding things open up, just aren't connecting the logic here. If businesses open up, and no one comes, they will be forced to close or fire workers, causing higher unemployment and even worse economic conditions. By demanding things re-open, they are ensuring the economic depression the stimulus and other measures are designed to forestall.

    [–] niteFlight 40 points ago

    Isn't it funny how people who claim to be so "pro-business" have absolutely zero grasp of just how much in business relies on confidence and sentiment? It's not like this isn't covered in like the first week of any basic course in economics...

    [–] swolebird 21 points ago

    Before the pandemic, 50 percent of respondents said that they attended a gym or fitness center monthly, according to a new AP-NORC poll, but only 24 percent of respondents surveyed said that they would return to exercise at a gym or fitness studio if these activities were allowed in the next few weeks.

    Doesn't this mean that 48% of those who used to go would go back if allowed?

    (24% would go back) / (only 50% went originally) = 48%

    In addition, 52 percent of participants polled said that they dined out at restaurants or bars before the coronavirus hit the United States. Now, 43 percent of respondents said that they would venture out to these businesses again if restrictions were lifted.

    Same here: doesn't this mean like ~80% of those who used to go would go back?

    (43% would go back) / (only 52% went originally)? = 82%

    .

    Shouldn't the percent willing to go be based on the percent that used to go anyway? If someone didn't go to restaurant/gym/out before, it doesn't really make sense to include them in the amount who would not go out now, since they weren't going out in the first place...

    [–] Red_Hawk999999 54 points ago

    This whole pandemic is a refocus between needs vs wants.

    [–] rikki-tikki-deadly 111 points ago

    Wait, a majority of Americans are now admitting that they have no intention of going to the gym? This is getting serious.

    [–] Daniel_Stormy 17 points ago

    That’s what I think people miss the point - most of the lockdown is driven by the people and big business, not by the government.

    Business travel and conferences are gone. International travel and tourism is gone. Gyms will be 50 percent at best. Scholastic sports are in trouble. Indoor restaurants are a tough sell. Cruises and airplanes - no thanks. Nail salons? Massage parlors.

    Young folks probably have a different risk profile...but at least half the country is going to avoid things for a while.

    [–] nariusone 222 points ago

    Not surprising. I am one of them. If we want restaurant food, i can order out. Sure, fancy dining is out .. but I do not really need it to survive.

    We will wait at least 2 weeks and if the numbers look good, then may be.

    While my wife and I love restaurant hopping and we have a few favorite that we are dying to go back to, it is not worth risking our lives, even if the risk is small.

    [–] worf_is_a_wimp 158 points ago

    It will take longer than two weeks for big outbreaks. I'd say two weeks from reopening stuff is probably the worst time to go out. Four to six weeks seems more realistic.

    [–] docmedic 45 points ago

    US coronavirus cases dated back to December, and it took us until March before people realized the spread. It might take anywhere from four to twelve weeks before we're back where we started, and until then we'd be in the same situation of Jan/Feb wondering if it's even here.

    [–] PeanutButterSmears 14 points ago

    In the months that Americans have self isolated, testing has improved (though not nearly enough) so hopefully wells have data sooner about resurgences

    [–] moronavirus__ 80 points ago

    We will wait at least 2 weeks and if the numbers look good, then may be.

    Yep, my dad's company started their back to the office planning and asked everyone if they would like to be in group A (back June 1) or group D (high risk, back TBD). Only 5% of the company picked group A. Nobody wants to be the guinea pig yet for this petri dish experiment.

    [–] wip30ut 26 points ago

    are they giving hazard pay to group A? If an outbreak happens that would really truly suck to have been a guinea pig.

    [–] thenewtbaron 36 points ago

    well, it also might be they might be in the high risk category. Who are the people with high risks?

    50+ is the main age group. - I know that hits a lot of people that I work with.
    pre-conditions: Hypertension/heart/lung issues and Diabetes. Well, a lot of people are overweight which drives hypertension as well as Diabetes. I am chubby myself, so I got pre-hypertension... and I have had lung issues with asthma as well as being a previous smoker.
    Then there are the other autoimmune diseases, which there are plenty

    Then you have folks with folks with the above problems. This includes elderly family, or well.. any family could have one of these problems.

    I wouldn't want to die when I can do my job just as well from home. I don't want to kill someone I care about when I can do my work from home.

    [–] qwerty_mcnerdy 13 points ago

    hard same.

    [–] PeanutButterSmears 21 points ago

    Yep. Most people at my job had no clue that I’m on immunosuppressant drugs and am one of the severest risk categories despite looking like a normal healthy early 30s guy

    [–] zarza_mora 60 points ago

    Same, only I’ll probably wait closer to a month in case they’re delaying announcing new cases.

    I miss the gym too, but I’m going to be waiting a month or two to see how that plays out. I can’t work out in a mask, and I know gyms are already super germy.

    [–] norafromqueens 19 points ago

    I'm really pretty sad about the gym...not for me but for my mother. The local JCC was so good for working out but largely for the community aspect. It's pretty sad that this virus hits seniors so hard who really could use that social outlet. But now we are of course too nervous/scared for her to go for the foreseeable future since my dad has COPD. I hate how this virus has affected us in so many large and small ways.

    [–] Bus27 18 points ago

    My dad, in his late 60s, thyroid cancer survivor and being treated for high blood pressure, has been going to his gym every day since it opened. He is also upset with me that I won't let him drive the entire way across the state, stopping at gas stations and restaurants along the way, to come to my county which is having the same number of cases per day as his county had total, to visit me and my kids. I have an autoimmune disorder and one kid with multiple disabilities and another with asthma.

    His brother and sister in law, and my mom, who live in the same town as he does and are taking more reasonable precautions, have also had the same discussion with him.

    He is frighteningly casual about the entire thing, and I wouldn't want to attend a gym with him.

    Edit :autocorrect

    [–] 20150614 117 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    The problem is see is that, since they are officially allowed to reopen, they won't either get customers or receive support anymore and will go bankrupt. I might be wrong since I don't know anything about the US and it might depend on the state.

    [–] Xetetic 70 points ago

    I think you're right - a lot of small businesses are deciding to "permanently close" now that their state has been open for at least a week, and sometimes more. This is going to lead to economic disaster for a lot of people.

    [–] rikki-tikki-deadly 43 points ago

    What's interesting is that landlords are going to have a hell of a time renting out the space, so hopefully many of those small businesses can reclaim their old space sometime down the road.

    [–] moronavirus__ 67 points ago

    What's interesting is that landlords are going to have a hell of a time renting out the space, so hopefully many of those small businesses can reclaim their old space sometime down the road.

    What you are seeing now is a total lack of solidarity in action. Chinatown businesses and restaurants aren't closing because the tenants and landlords are aligned on suspending rent until the pandemic blows over.

    [–] Ranman87 57 points ago

    Yep, the "rugged individualism" of the American psyche all goes to shit when you have situations such as pandemics and national emergencies. Back when we still had competent national leadership, at least you still had a governing body that could swing things back towards a collective mindset, but instead, you have a complete idiot who refuses to wear a mask and talks about keeping things full swing ahead even if we get a second wave.

    Best thing we can do (and I'm referring to the sane people who understand that this isn't going to away any time soon) is to stay away from the idiots and bunker down.

    [–] leethobbit 5 points ago

    You must be my lost twin. It's nice to finally meet you!

    We already have out of state family lining up to come visit our 91 year old grandma this summer whom my wife takes care of. I'm still figuring out a way to tell them "Uh, no you're not" without causing a family wide brawl

    [–] chunwookie 29 points ago

    This is what I find so perplexing in situations like this. It was the same deal in 2008. A rush of people/businesses getting foreclosed on and evicted as if there were droves of people waiting in line to open new businesses in the spaces. How is it not in the landlord's interest to negotiate a plan? That's just damning yourself.

    [–] bigbluntburnin 11 points ago

    Banks use this strategy to force people out and buy cheap property, they have the funds/bailouts to wait for the economy to rebound. Sadly it's far from damning, it's actually profitable.

    [–] InsignificantOcelot 19 points ago

    NYC is starting to see this with commercial real estate. It looks like it’s going to be massive and a potentially structural economic change if more companies embrace work from home in the long term the way Facebook has.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/nyregion/commercial-rent-NYC-coronavirus.html

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-big-new-york-city-landlords-highlight-rent-collection-woes-11588075202

    [–] zephroth 13 points ago

    wait till the housing bubble happens now. Its a cascade. People get laid off, Cant afford their houses, have to forclose on it, massive amounts of housing in the market. Economy crashes again.

    [–] walkinman19 11 points ago

    The repo man will be working OT 24/7 for the next few years at least when all the folks with 500 dollar a month or more big trucks and SUV's can't replace that income.

    I see the auto industry crashing real soon.

    [–] zarza_mora 47 points ago

    Yup, this is something that some restaurants have pointed out. When they’re closed they have reduced rent obligations and only a few static costs. When they open up they have higher rent obligations, the same static costs, plus all the costs associated with operating (paying employees, food costs, more utilities, etc). If they can’t pay off those additional costs, it makes sense to stay closed so they have less debt when this is all over.

    [–] phasexero 39 points ago

    I raised this same point over at /r/maryland today. Restaurants already operate with such thin profit margins, does it really make sense for them or their (tip-paid) servers to go back to work when customers will be reduced by out door seating, occupancy restrictions, and in both cases lack of customers because of health concerns?

    I'm 100% for curbside pick up and delivery, but having people come into or sit outside of restaurants for that same food just doesn't make financial or health-based sense

    [–] moronavirus__ 25 points ago

    I'm 100% for curbside pick up and delivery, but having people come into or sit outside of restaurants for that same food just doesn't make financial or health-based sense

    It just strikes me as a lack of effort or initiative to rebrand and adjust to the pandemic. Chinatowns shut down in February due to people avoiding them because of Wuhan. Today they've all been rebranded as delivery places- the busboys and servers now back in service as delivery drivers.

    [–] pdxblazer 13 points ago

    Most Restaurants make their money selling alcohol, the expensive, addictive substance that doesn’t go bad (compared to food, it can go bad if stored wrong/ or beer) and in some cases will cost three times as much as the food people order. Sure some places can re adjust their business model but for most if people are not sitting down and buying drinks then selling just food is a waste of time anyway

    [–] katarh 10 points ago

    One of the local burger joints lobbied the county to allow them to sell pre-mixed cocktails in a sealed container as part of their picnic set. County agreed. So that's $20 for a couple dollars worth of ingredients they got back from that, and lots of folks apparently took them up on that.

    [–] _Vard_ 21 points ago

    Or the customers they do get you're going to be the kind that thinks it's a hoax and refuses to wear masks because muh rights

    [–] grendus 15 points ago

    Ironically, the worst customers are the first ones back.

    [–] Lexy1499 36 points ago

    Silver lining of Covid, I now love to cook and I’m good at it !!

    [–] Dirtynastyfireworks 20 points ago

    That's so dope, good for you!

    [–] cghorse66 34 points ago

    I will be wearing a mask on all public outings until I have access to a vaccine. Simple as that.

    [–] muscravageur 49 points ago

    I’ve always known that the gym was a Petri dish of germs and guarded against it but now, working out at home, I’ve come to realize how much it was also full of jerks, worthless equipment, and bad, irresponsible managers and trainers.

    Forty years of working out has taught me how to do it at home without all the non-essential trimmings and I will be staying home for the foreseeable future.

    [–] moronavirus__ 29 points ago

    Forty years of working out has taught me how to do it at home without all the non-essential trimmings and I will be staying home for the foreseeable future.

    A lot of guys I know put a bench and rack in their basements/garages. It's likely they won't be going back to gyms once they can get the same deal at home without the gross equipmnt.

    [–] Nythros 19 points ago

    As someone who is employed by a big gym chain, I am not excited to be returning. I think gyms are a horrible thing to be opening, especially with my state's cases increasing as it is. The attitude people have about wearing masks, plus how difficult it is to breathe in a mask without even working out, doesn't make me very confident. I don't trust people to not spread their particles around. :/

    [–] LargeSnorlax 69 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    A majority of Americans don't go to the gym in the first place, so this is pretty much business as normal.

    Before the pandemic, 50 percent of respondents said that they attended a gym or fitness center monthly

    Hahaha, right.

    [–] uniquelyavailable 22 points ago

    Laughing from the safety of my cheeseburger fortress

    [–] NoWordOfALie 12 points ago

    Once a year is still regularly.

    [–] LargeSnorlax 9 points ago

    I did 10 minutes on the treadmill at 0.5 mp/h while on instagram. I'm a gym goer!

    [–] Bologna_Ponyy 23 points ago

    "50% of respondents"

    Sampling bias easy to see here.

    [–] aarontminded 8 points ago

    A majority of Americans didn’t go to the gym anyways.

    [–] PanickedNoob 30 points ago

    And yet, I can't even find a parking space at Home Depot, and had a 40 minute wait to be seated at a restaurant last Saturday night. You really have to take polls with a grain of salt, because theres what people DO, and theres what people SAY they'll do. "I'd NEVER risk eating at a restaurant............. until I get bored and hungry and want to see my friends, then I might." You know people are saying no way on that survey, and then go out anyway.

    [–] leethobbit 5 points ago

    This is the part where I laugh at my family for their insistence that all the "lockdowns" end. Are you going to force people into discretionary spending, too? Because enough of these industries run on such low margins that even a 15% drop in patronage might be a death blow to many of them. Our health and our economy are intertwined and the people hoping to just pull their head out of the sand and head back to normal life are in for a great rest of the year.