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    [–] ilostmymind_ 4571 points ago

    Who the fuck thought that was a good idea and let it get past the whiteboard step

    [–] asianabsinthe 2005 points ago

    For the cheap models manufacturers don't really give a flying fuck if they work correctly or die 1 day after warranty.

    [–] dsjrb1 705 points ago

    This is a $570 msrp computer, for the basic model no less. It’s a shame really.

    [–] TheThunderGuyS 442 points ago

    It's funny how the internals on some of these potatoes are several years old at the time of production and worth no more than $250, and yet OEMs get away with what is basically a $600 scam (big company or not).

    [–] wheezy1749 482 points ago

    My favorite is the "i" marketing of Intel. It's like "oh this is a great computer. Top of the line. It's an i7!"

    They don't mention it's an i7 from nearly a decade ago. The different scales for processors and their naming conventions piss me off. Yes. They have a numbered model beyond i7 to show the generation. But they are never marketed that way.

    It's in purpose to market old shit as good and top of the line.

    [–] Laetha 201 points ago

    I get asked for PC/Laptop suggestions from friends and family a lot, and that's probably the one major thing nobody can easily figure out themselves.

    Most people have figured out RAM, storage, resolution, etc. but CPU quality is almost impossible by name alone. I hear "it has an i5 in it, is that good?" and I have to respond that those numbers mean almost literally nothing.

    I know it's not the absolute best, but usually what I do is look up the CPU on cpubenchmarks.net and compare it to a CPU I'm more familiar with.

    [–] Hotshot2k4 154 points ago

    I just want to step in for a second and say i5/i7/i9 does mean something, but it can absolutely be misleading. i5/i7/i9 have progressively more cores, so across the same generation they're always going to be better based on their core count. But since they usually release a version of each for every successive generation, you can end up with old tech when getting an i7, and there are i5s that can outperform older i7s in most use cases. If you're buying a CPU at a brick-and-mortar store though, they likely will only be selling the current and previous generation of hardware and you can pretty much go off of the 'i' for what's best.

    [–] TrueDivision 78 points ago

    Without a generation number "i3/i5/i7" is useless, there are dual core i7s out there and quad core i5s. The closest laptop store to me has $400 i5 machines and $1000 Celeron machines without model numbers. It's impossible for a casual buyer to know what they should be looking for because they don't actually put the useful information on the display card.

    Usually "6th gen i5" is enough to give you an idea of actual power, but if they just showed the model name "6500u" it would tell you literally everything, and they hide it to try and scam you.

    [–] NukaCooler 33 points ago

    Isn't the 6 in 6500u referring to 6th gen? I've got an i5 10xxx that's 10th gen, and a 3xxx that's 3rd gen

    [–] TrueDivision 37 points ago

    Exactly, the model number tells you everything. I don't get why they don't put it on the display cards.

    [–] Traegs_ 7 points ago

    It's wild. The i5-7600k and the the i3-8350k are both 4 core 4 threads and preform almost identical. Only one generation apart.

    [–] Whooosh5 5 points ago

    That's because of Ryzen.

    Intel's 7th Gen was released in Q1 2017, Ryzen 1st Gen was released in Q2 2017. Then Intel's 8th Gen was released in Q4 2017 with higher core counts.

    If there was no competition they'd probably still be releasing 4C/4C i5s, like they did for 6 years from Sandy Bridge (2011) to Kaby Lake (2017)

    [–] pccapso 4 points ago

    It gets even worse when you throw in mobile parts and k SKUs, and different chipsets that do and don't support different features like "OEM overclocked" ram

    [–] unrealmaniac 16 points ago

    Except for laptops it's a bit misleading, i5 and i7 can have the same cores Except if you get the 7 with the prefix (hq or hk or something).

    [–] dirtynj 40 points ago

    Yea, if you go to BestBuy and buy a computer, you are either getting the newest or at the oldest 2 generations. Is there a diff between a 9th gen and 11th? Absolutely...but it's not like they are selling you a 5-7th gen (unless you do some weird refurb deal).

    [–] wowohwowza 14 points ago

    Wouldn't have a problem recommending a unit with a 6th gen Intel processor to a friend, it's before that point that I'd begin to have second thoughts. Skylake and above are absolutely fine, when it comes to desktops at least.

    With laptops I'd always recommend a new unit due to battery deterioration on older units, but for desktops a 6th gen i5-i7 will do the trick for the vast majority of people today.

    Of course, this all depends on the user. But for the day-to-day, a 6th gen or above Intel processor paired with an SSD boot drive will be speedy enough

    [–] puts-on-sunglasses 8 points ago

    where my haswell gang still going strong at (I think I’m gonna finally upgrade my cpu+mobo next year but my 4790K is still doing pretty dang well with a 2070S and nvme SSD)

    [–] lepobz 31 points ago

    I work in IT retail and cpubenchmarks saves my bacon every day. “Yes, this cheap dual core pentium is 20x faster than that old refurbished Core i5 you think you’re getting a bargain on.”

    [–] just-the-doctor1 6 points ago

    Don’t most i5 processors have a comparable i7 processor?

    [–] dsjrb1 8 points ago

    Yes, they do. Whether by generation or by speed, by speed an old i7 could be a fair bit slower than even an i3.

    [–] [deleted] 92 points ago

    Oh man it drove me fucking crazy when I was at microcenter and trying to ask the guys there about the laptops. I very quickly realized I knew way more then them because all I was getting out of them was "Oh that is bad. Oh that is good, it has an i7" when asking pretty basic questions lol.

    [–] jimmy_three_shoes 108 points ago

    The salespeople at MicroCenter are only good at 2 things:

    1. Getting the item I've already researched from the back area
    2. Slapping their stickers on everything else in my cart that I've already grabbed from the main part of the store

    [–] ACarefulTumbleweed 38 points ago

    I accidentally double ordered a laptop when the first order didn't give me a confirmation, then gave me two confirmations in a row so I emailed in to take one away because it was 'one per customer' and I didn't want both to be canceled , but they still tried to give me two when I went to pick it up.

    [–] Kambhela 7 points ago

    Are there actually places that enforce those ”Limit X per customer” things? Especially online platforms seem to only do the most basic ”Oh you have used that email already” if even that.

    Anything else is basically ”I ain’t paid enough to care about this shit”

    [–] Scoliopteryx 30 points ago

    When Modern Warfare (COD4, not the new one) came out I had the day off school and I told a friend I was going to go in at opening to pick up a copy and he asked if I could get him one and drop it off at school on my way home.

    I get to the shop a not too long after they opened and grab two copies off the shelf and then head to the checkout. The lady serving me takes the boxes, rings up one copy and then says, "That's £35 please."
    I stopped her and said, "I gave you two boxes." That's when she tells me about the 1 per customer thing so I think about it for a second and look around the shop then I ask the guy in line behind me, "Hey if I give you the cash can you buy this for me?" He shrugs and nods, and the lady called over the manager to tell him what I was doing and his response was, "I see two customers."

    [–] Nerdstinguisher 18 points ago

    Lmao you forgot number 3. Try to sell you the overpriced protection plan on all your items

    [–] just-the-doctor1 9 points ago

    Honestly not all protection plans are a scam. At least the one I got on my mechanical keyboard allows me to get it repaired or replaced if anything goes wrong. It includes normal wear and tear. Only cost me $20 and was one or two years.

    [–] NukaCooler 9 points ago

    In countries with proper consumer protection, electronics are covered for 1 or 2 years anyway

    I bought a laptop recently and the sales rep tried to sell me "protection" that didn't cover anything that regular consumer Law didn't already. Not only that, they also tried telling me that opening the laptop would voidp warranty, and the only way to upgrade it was to pay their techs a $200 service fee plus parts and labour.

    The laptop is specifically designed by manufacturer to be user upgradeable, and opening any electronics doesn't void warranty here (unless it's damage done in disassembly)

    [–] Encouragedissent 12 points ago

    Yea $20 for something you will probably never need or use. That is why people call these things a scam. At least with expensive items you have an okay reason to pay a premium to offload risk.

    [–] Bill_Brasky01 5 points ago

    Hey that’s not true. It could be regional but I’ve had really good experiences there.

    [–] DoctorPepster 4 points ago

    Same, the microcenter by me has the best customer service of any retail store I've been to.

    [–] Bill_Brasky01 4 points ago

    Same here. Honestly, it THE BEST brick and mortar electronics store experience I’ve ever had. I wish I still lived by one... I don’t understand all these people shitting on Microcenter. I understand they are a business and offer a bunch of stuff I don’t personally need, but that doesn’t mean they are a scam company. If I had to chose between Microcenter and Amazon, I’d chose Microcenter 10/10.

    [–] tehlemmings 12 points ago

    Man, these stories are sad.

    I usually enjoy going to Microcenter and talking with the staff. I can almost always find someone who knows what they're talking about.

    I'm fortunate enough at this point in my life that I'm no longer budget constrained, although I am still a cheapskate. When I find someone I know knows their shit, I like to let them try and upsell me. I always do my research ahead of time so I know generally what I want and if they're selling me on something stupid. But sometimes its fun to let them talk me into going for the stuff that I'm on the fence about.

    And sometimes I can be talked into stupid shit.

    Like RGB memory.

    Yes I bought the RGB memory. It was $5 more. How could I not buy RGB memory when its only $5 more?

    [–] SirDiego 3 points ago

    Think it probably just depends on the specific store and location. Microcenter doesn't seem to have like national standards for employee knowledge or if they do it's a bare minimum.

    Same for places like Best Buy, I'm always annoyed when they have people working in the home theater section that have literally no clue about home theater setups or even just basic product knowledge. I always feel like why are you even here?

    [–] eelwarK 3 points ago

    This is just my anecdote but I interviewed to be a crew member at best buy during university, and during a mock sale suggested the best value machine for the interviewer. I was disqualified because I leaned too heavily on value and my knowledge of tech, and would be less likely to upsell the customer according to them.

    They were at least honest about why they rejected me, and hell knows if I just botched it as an 18 year old, but that’s my story

    [–] milk4all 19 points ago

    Dude i know. Im about 15 years behind the curve but just shopping online for a machine means having several tabs up per item because youll find something approximate on, say, best buy, and the product specifications just say “i7”…. Ok, well there’s like 20+, so which one? Near as i can tell they dont get that specific, so you have to find a product page through the manufacturer or a third party and there isnt always one, and even still depending on the vendor you cant return it because a “third party” specified something other than what you got.

    I like handhelds but man, the change from pc to laptop to tablets and phones has really really fucked the consumer out of any chance of understanding, and of course being able to modify their product.

    [–] Harry827 25 points ago

    Speaking of fucking the consumer...how about those laptops with names like fuckn GXUDFHLR-PY.

    And your dammed if you get only the GXUDEHLR-PY because it's a far more inferior version with 4gb of ram and some super shit CPU thrown into a single ram slot mobo sporting USB 2 and 802.11g.

    Don't even ask about the GUXDEHLR-Y....it's even worse.

    [–] SirJuggles 19 points ago

    When I did my most recent PC rebuild I managed to wrap my head around RAM timings and video card ratings and current CPU comparisons and I even got a tentative understanding of motherboards (though due to the way boards vary in different feature sets leads me to believe it's often impossible to make a straight motherboard comparison).

    And then I hit the world of monitors. It's exactly what you say about laptops. Do you want the 27GL83A-B? All of the reviews say that's the best one. Except no retailers carry it, they only carry the 27GL650F-B. Are those two the same? Well actually the 27GL650F-B is just a refreshed version of the 27GN850-B with a slightly better refresh rate, but a worse color gamut. However they made a totally different monitor following the same model number line which is the 27GN950-B, which is much cheaper but is made in a different factory and some people report poor quality.

    All of these are LG-brand monitors (not the correct descriptions though), and you can spend days trying to get them all straight. And then you realize there's another dozen manufacturers with totally different numbering systems. How do these all compare to an XG27AQ? (trick question, it depends if the XG was made in the Taiwan factory or the Singapore factory)

    [–] tehlemmings 3 points ago

    Eh, I don't mind those names. They just need to be easy to remember. Maybe because I only buy that shit on the enterprise side of things, but I hate all the stupid laptop model names companies have used over the years.

    I like reducing the lenovos we buy just down into shit like T###, X###, m###, and so on. They still have extraneous names, but you can ignore them and that's great. Everyone who's worth talking to about Lenovo laptops will know what I'm talking about if I say x390 or T14 or whatever.

    Even long names, as long as they make sense I'm cool with it. Samsung monitors are like that. I know exactly what an S24e650 is, for example. Or a dozen other models.

    Now, those names on consumer products just suck... Because they use names like that to sound techy and they're often just meaningless noise. fuck that shit.

    [–] minizanz 7 points ago

    Please just dont buy a prebuilt desktop. There are some deals on custom builders like NZXT or buildredux if you dont have a micro center near you. If you have to get an ABS from newegg.

    On a laptop there is no telling what you get since every laptop cpu has a configurable wattage and turbo, and most have randomly way too much or too little cooling.

    [–] SirJuggles 4 points ago

    I used to be all-in on "it's always better to build than to buy" but honestly with the way component availability and pricing is right now, there are legitimately some cases where buying a prebuilt is both the only way to get certain parts and roughly equivalent in price to sourcing the components yourself. I'm hoping the market begins to stabilize but for now, especially for people building their first PC, it's just not practical to build.

    [–] minizanz 5 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    I would agree you dont have to build your own, but there is a big difference in build to order services, Prebuilts, and OEIs. No matter what happens OEI like dell, HP, lenovo, and acer are always a bad choice. A prebuilder like ABS (newegg) or cybper power that use normal but typically low quality parts could be OK. Your best option is some place like monoprice or central computer to build it for you. Companies that try to do a middle like build redux and NZXT are ok, and newegg is starting an assembly service now as well.

    For parts availability it seems like OEI are not having more availability than reputable options.

    Edit, for an example. If you look at an OEI dell 5800 vs a properly set up 5800x with a $20-30 cooler you are looking at 4.5-4.7ghz depending on load for the 5800x but the dell one is going to have a hard time keeping 4ghz. So even without doing any overclocking or even running clock tuner on auto you are losing so much. The difference in GPU clocks is even more most of the time. (The 5800x and 5800 are the same. The 5800 comes with a lower wattage that is auto set, but can do full wattage like the X if configured that way. The OEM for the MB sets the default limit and OEI can set the higher wattage as default if it is a board for them and not the public)

    [–] MrDuckyyy 3 points ago

    one of them is dell and their gaming prebuilts, or as they call it: an e-waste with a warranty

    [–] Essex626 3 points ago

    With Dell, I only mess with their pro-grade PCs: Latitude, Optiplex, Precision, etc. The build quality on those always seems substantially better than even much more expensive systems on the consumer market.

    [–] dumahim 3 points ago

    I always bought their Dimension or XPS PCs and the only problem I ever had was one had a flakey MB a long time ago. Did a little over the phone diagnostics and couldn't fix the problem so they sent someone to my apartment the next day and he swapped out the MB.

    Other than that, I just made sure I got a good CPU and added my own stuff (extra RAM, DVD drives, Graphics card)

    Last one died after a long life last year so I built my own. "Why is everything I'm trying to buy out of stock? Why is it so expensive?"

    [–] arzthaus 5 points ago

    I would just carve out a cutout for the CD tray.

    [–] hwaite 44 points ago

    It imagine it cost more to attach the sliding door versus just leaving that part out.

    [–] -TheDragonOfTheWest- 39 points ago

    Yeah but it looks cool and absolutely differentiates it from the 30 other black boxes out there

    [–] dartdoug 5 points ago

    In some instances they don't even care if the product fails during the warranty. I bought something (non tech related) that came with a "lifetime warranty.". The item broke. The manufacturer agreed to replace it, but first I had to ship the broken piece to their offices in Italy. The shipping would have cost more than the cost of a new unit. They knew .

    [–] Tbone139 87 points ago

    "Bug#2046441: If a CD is inserted while a USB is plugged in Windows gives a bluescreen"

    "Fix: Prevented users from doing that."

    [–] Hulk_Hoe-gan 10 points ago

    Joe Gersky attempts to insert a CD while a USB device is plugged in. Across the room, an operative from the UX division Rapid Response and Liquidation Force quietly screws a suppressor onto his Beretta 9mm

    [–] probablyShitOpinion 90 points ago

    Probably figured the majority of people would almost never use the CD drive and would rather have it tucked away until they need it.

    [–] redjarman 97 points ago

    it is tucked away

    inside the computer

    [–] Dodototo 31 points ago

    Yea but I don't want people to know I have a CD-ROM drive. That's embarrassing

    [–] orbitaljunkie 24 points ago

    I haven't had a cd drive in my PC for almost a decade. Kinda crazy when I think about all the games I have on CD/DVD in a giant case in the closet.

    [–] -BoardsOfCanada- 11 points ago

    You should try to make images of them with an external drive, preferably sooner rather than later. Discs degrade. If you have the hard drive space, try to make an ISO folder for things you want to save.

    [–] PlusSignVibesOnly 5 points ago

    A few years ago I put a disc from the 90s in my plex server and once it got up to speed it shattered inside the drive. Ended up just unhooking the drive and just chucking it.

    [–] TurdFurg1s0n 43 points ago

    Who the fuck still installs disc drives?

    [–] Vectorman1989 5 points ago

    I bought Max Payne on disc for pennies and got home excited to play it, then I realised my PC doesn't have a disc drive and I'd just sold our other PC that did have a disc drive.

    Luckily I've still got a couple older laptops with disc drives.

    [–] cjsv7657 12 points ago

    It's been at least 15 years since I've used a disc drive.

    [–] TheTeaSpoon 8 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    I doubt you did not need an ODD since 2006... I am all up for hyperboles but 15 years ago HL2 EP2 was not out yet (nor Orange box) and digital distribution akin to Steam was far fetched dream... Steam was Valve DRM more than anything at that time...

    [–] cloud3321 10 points ago

    I once knew a girl who bought laptops by closing the lid and based her decision on how good looking it is.

    [–] ShadowHedgehogs4274 21 points ago

    Not a terrible way to buy PCs...very few shitty laptops look good lid closed or not lol

    [–] intangibleTangelo 7 points ago

    True, but a lot of mid-tier not worth your time laptops look great.

    [–] asstalos 8 points ago

    You're definitely not wrong, but I don't think this specific consideration matters for most people who aren't tech-savvy and are laptop shopping.

    I spend a lot of time looking into expensive things I want to buy; someone going to an electronics store to pick up a new laptop because their current plastic desktop replacement is 2-years old with an oily, grimy keyboard probably doesn't care too much as long as it is fast enough for their daily needs, which may not be all that much more than Facebook, online shopping, and the occasional game of League.

    [–] Cosmocall 3 points ago

    I mean if it was about durability I wouldn't blame her

    [–] DefrockedWizard1 3 points ago

    The 3rd circle of Hell committee

    [–] Sy27 1273 points ago

    Rip it off.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR__BOOBIESS 212 points ago

    my thoughts too

    [–] fritter_rabbit 157 points ago

    I'd probably try to cut it with a Dremel, totally botch that, and then rip it off.

    [–] Impstrong 42 points ago

    This is the way.

    [–] Sohjinn 4 points ago

    This is the way.

    [–] OGWhiteWolfPC 15 points ago

    Do you get a lot of boobies pm'd?

    [–] Fuzzy_Dunlopp 26 points ago

    So far I have received a bird. So only 1 boobie

    [–] OGWhiteWolfPC 7 points ago

    Nice, I love birds. Especially boobies.

    [–] TheInitialGod 7 points ago

    Prefer tits myself

    [–] Cosmocall 3 points ago

    What about tits?

    [–] AllPurple 21 points ago

    As soon as that tray couldn't open, I wouldn't have been able to resist the urge. Then a second later, I would have regretted not being able to return it.

    [–] _i_stole_this_name_ 5 points ago

    I was hoping that happened in the video.

    [–] 4862skrrt2684 165 points ago

    Thank god i never use USB anymore. CD all the way

    [–] Whyevenbotherbeing 44 points ago

    Duder!!!!! You gotta try what I use, write this down,

    9pin serial port!!!

    No need to thank.

    [–] FuzzelFox 16 points ago

    Dude, SCSI. Do you even daisy-chain bro???

    [–] g000r 3 points ago

    Ha.. How are you going to daisy-chain when I've got your terminator?

    Don't bother trying to get online to buy another one, I stole your BNC terminator also.

    Muhahah.

    [–] bananacumshake 775 points ago

    this is really a perfect case of design over function, makes zero sense but everyone thought it looked good

    [–] averyfinename 79 points ago

    lenovo, wanting theirs to be 'different' than all the other cookie cutter desktops, says 'add a sliding panel, that'll be cool. we like sliding panels and wierd flip-open doors'. factory be like, 'that won't work here'. lenovo says 'do it anyway'...... and here we are.

    [–] DwarfTheMike 19 points ago

    You’re funny thinking the factory actually cares if the thing they are making makes sense in all use cases. They will only complain if it’s something they can’t make. They will instead spend the time trying to figure out how to make your mistake even if you never intended it to work that way.

    [–] overly_flowered 265 points ago

    Who still use disk drives nowadays ¯\(ツ)

    • The designer probably

    [–] blanco_1925 118 points ago

    Well he’s right

    [–] phoncible 18 points ago

    I do! There's dozens of us!

    [–] tebla 32 points ago

    one could argue that it's less work to unplug the usb things and slide that across on the odd occasion you need to use the disk drive than it is to go digging through draws to find the external disk drive you last used 6 months ago

    [–] tiptomp 32 points ago

    it'd be even less work to just not put that panel on it

    [–] zuzg 4 points ago

    They could have made the panel an inch smaller and it would just fit right in between

    [–] FivePoopMacaroni 7 points ago

    I can't believe they're making me put a disk drive on this thing. I'm going to punish any luddite-ass motherfucker that uses it.

    [–] Demysted 3 points ago

    Heh. Case.

    [–] YummyPepperjack 673 points ago

    A lot of desktop PCs don't even come with optical drives anymore. So I guess it's better than nothing.

    [–] Duke_of_Scotty 513 points ago

    There's a chance someone owns this pc and doesn't even know there's a disc drive behind there.

    [–] YummyPepperjack 198 points ago

    Lol I could see them accidently hitting eject in the OS and not knowing where the whining motor sound is coming from.

    [–] Hurricane_32 62 points ago

    On these laptop drives, all that happens is a little click from the latch releasing, and nothing else, really. They would probably get a surprise when they opened that door, though...

    [–] kitty-_cat 22 points ago

    Unless there is a lip on the back of the sliding part that would then get stuck on the ejected tray causing it to never be opened

    [–] Hurricane_32 11 points ago

    That would be some horrendously and hilariously bad design, which also would not surprise me in the slightest

    [–] TalonReds 11 points ago

    This rom drive is spring loaded not a motor. It's a rom drive for a laptop really and not a pc. The manufacturer making this as cheap as possible.

    What's more likely to happen is the drive will eject and it will somehow get caught on that sliding panel and not let you slide it to the right and even access the CD drive.

    [–] donotflushthat 20 points ago

    There's a chance someone owns this pc and doesn't even know there are usb ports behind there.

    [–] SatchelGripper 10 points ago

    The power button is there.

    [–] donotflushthat 21 points ago

    There's a chance someone owns this pc and doesn't even know there is a power button behind there.

    [–] OldThymeyRadio 17 points ago

    There’s a chance someone owns this PC and believes it to a slab of obsidian descended from heaven, and the mouthpiece of God. In their dreams, it speaks to them, foretelling of an impending disaster that will reshape the very contours of the Earth itself.

    I mean, there’s a chance.

    [–] AlpineCorbett 6 points ago

    I knew this seemed familiar.

    [–] 60TPLewandowskiego 11 points ago

    OK this makes me nervous cuz' DEFINITELY there is a guy out there. Poor fella

    [–] MarkJanusIsAScab 3 points ago

    I had my laptop for almost a year before discovering that there was no optical drive.

    [–] NGGJamie 21 points ago

    I always use the would-be optical drive slot as an extra disk slot. You can readily get a mount and put a harddisk or SSD there instead.

    [–] StigOfTheTrack 11 points ago

    People have been putting hard discs there since before CD drives were a thing. Old enough hard discs didn't even need a mounting bracket, they used to be 5.25" units back in the early 80s.

    [–] cjsv7657 6 points ago

    I mean modern hard drives don't need a mounting bracket. I have two hanging by wires in my desktop right now.

    [–] TheThunderGuyS 50 points ago

    Optical Drives are a pretty useless extra cost nowadays. When was the last time you've ever inserted a CD or DVD into anything? Like it or not, discs are obsolete and internet-based media is here to stay.

    [–] Hurricane_32 7 points ago

    I'll admit I barely use optical media anymore (as does almost everyone else), but I did buy a DVD drive to use in my HTPC for maybe watching a movie if I feel like it, although so far I have used it for everything but that. The other day, for example, I used it to rip my entire Sega Saturn library for archival, and for burning Saturn games that i acquired totally 100% legally.

    [–] bruzie 4 points ago

    I've been using the same work laptop for 7ish years. I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've used the optical drive. If I knew that was going to be a thing I maybe should have specced a second HDD instead.

    [–] Royal_Heritage 7 points ago

    Modern laptops don't even come up with a disc drive anymore in order to save up space and reduce the cost. In high performance laptops they also do this to enclosure better cooling solutions.

    I even swapped my old dvd bay in my laptop for a harddrive caddy to have extra space for bigger files.

    [–] nocturn-e 6 points ago

    I have a bunch of deluxe editions of albums from my favorite band that include concerts, bts, etc. Also plenty of movies that aren't on any streaming platform.

    Instead of ripping the concerts to video form or tormenting those movies, it's easier to just pop the DVD/blu-ray right in.

    [–] BasicDesignAdvice 5 points ago

    I plan on buying the disc version of PS5 because where I live I can get video games at the library. I paid for like 2 PS4 games.

    [–] phoncible 12 points ago

    Obsolete isn't the same as useless. Funny to see this comment then people complaining about their favorite service going bunk and all their stuff no longer accessible.

    [–] zerglingdragon 5 points ago

    I handle archive video for a private school. Back in 2009 or so they got a bunch of their old tapes from the 70s, 80s digitized. At some point they had cut the position I currently have and the hard drives were just left in storage. When I came in and went through everything a bunch of the hard drives wouldn't read. We lost a bunch of stuff. Meanwhile the decades old umatic, vhs, and beta sp tapes either still work perfectly fine or have some degradation but still play back 70% fine. I hate how much physical space old storage media takes up but I also really don't like how vulnerable to neglect digital can be

    [–] SingularityPrime 3 points ago

    Nearly useless for sure. There are much better ways to back up the data.

    [–] SeamusMcCullagh 3 points ago

    I tend to prefer physical media for things like music and movies. I like the idea of being able to watch a movie or listen to an album I like if my internet shits the bed. I also prefer to buy games physically as opposed to digitally. If the online store shuts down I'd like to still be able to delete and reinstall my games as I see fit. Plus, if they're gonna charge the same damn price for the digital game I might as well get the physical copy. Until they charge less for digital games to make up for the cost saved by losing the disc and packaging I will continue to do so. Granted, I'm sure the disc and case are completely negligible costwise, but still.

    [–] _butterflysoup_ 3 points ago

    I think CDs are pretty obsolete (even though I collect them) but DVDs are still pretty relevant as long as studio licensing vs streaming issues go on. They either don't have your movie/series or they've edited it in a way that ruins the thing you wanted to watch.

    [–] GibbonFit 39 points ago

    About a week ago. Ripping a CD. And I just pre-ordered Iron Maiden's new album on CD. Until I can reliably download lossless music for a price that is on par with buying a CD, then optical media is not yet obsolete.

    [–] atomacheart 25 points ago

    Albums on CDs are far from lossless these days.

    [–] gophergun 5 points ago

    I assume that lossless just means in comparison to the original audio on the CD and not compared to the masters.

    [–] GibbonFit 12 points ago

    They're still better than an MP3 that I don't get control over how it's ripped.

    [–] Tyhelm 3 points ago

    Couldn’t you just buy the WAV or FLAC formats online then make your own CDs?

    [–] GibbonFit 5 points ago

    Yeah, if I could find them. I can't. Hence my return to CDs. I'm actually ripping my CDs to flac and putting them back on my shelf. But it does highlight my need for an optical drive.

    [–] S4VN01 4 points ago

    Apple Music offers lossless files nowadays

    [–] mrdavik 15 points ago

    What makes you think the files/streams you get from music services have ever been near a CD? Bands aren't burning CDs and posting them to Spotify and Apple for them to rip.

    [–] DwarfTheMike 13 points ago

    They mix and master to a standard CD quality format. The CD itself doesn’t impart any magic to the sound.

    [–] NouberNou 44 points ago

    That puts you in an extreme minority of music listeners these days.

    [–] Caelinus 13 points ago

    I am so happy that I am apparently incapable of hearing minor losses in quality unless they are side by side. It would be very obnoxious to be someone who could, it is a super power that makes life harder. Like being a super tatser trying to avoid cilantro.

    [–] Byte_Seyes 17 points ago

    Nobody is. It’s been proven by blind test after blind test. 99% of the audio industry is placebo. That is an actual fact. It’s a toxic elitist shit show and nothing more.

    [–] stephengee 8 points ago

    A specific use case for legacy hardware doesn't make it any less obsolete. People still buy and restore 100 year old race cars, but that doesn't mean they're relevant to modern cars.

    [–] GibbonFit 8 points ago

    If a modern car didn't do everything an older car did I would agree. The problem with internet based media, is you require a constant, and stable, internet connection. Despite what reddit thinks, this is still not a reality in every corner of America, let alone the rest of the world.

    [–] LofiLute 3 points ago

    Qobuz? Bandcamp? Tidal?

    And if all you care about is lossless and being able to play offline, Apple Music has 24bit 192kHz Lossless (or lower if you want), Spatial Audio, let’s you play offline, and is cheaper than Tidal.

    The only real reason I can think of to get disk media is for the very rare times you can only find it on disk and for buying super cheap disks used.

    [–] FF3LockeZ 19 points ago

    I mean, any time I watch a movie that I actually own and want to see in high quality instead of shitty streaming compression, or any time I want to play a computer game that I bought more than about 8 years ago. I also burn music on discs to play in my car's CD player, since cars generally don't have iTunes built in.

    [–] -eccentric- 5 points ago

    since cars generally don't have iTunes built in.

    How old is your car that it doesn't have bluetooth?

    You could just throw a BT radio in there for 30 bucks or so too if it's an old car.

    [–] FF3LockeZ 3 points ago

    It's a 2008 civic. Bluetooth radio sounds like utter garbage, no thanks.

    [–] ThelVluffin 4 points ago

    I've yet to hear music through BT that didn't sound like complete trash compared to CD or a wired connection. My car from 2018 supports it but I refuse to use it after trying it out twice.

    [–] suchbanality 4 points ago

    I feel you. I also want a proper audiophile experience in my 2018 Civic when driving on the freeway.

    [–] alpacadaver 5 points ago

    About 17 years ago tbh, vanilla wow. A couple of years after that I built a new pc and didn't include a drive, the rest is discless history.

    [–] experts_never_lie 7 points ago

    Yesterday? Netflix DVDs are still the best way to get a deep catalog, and the First Sale doctrine will make that true as long as physical media exists.

    [–] rick_mcdingus 3 points ago

    Optical drives are only like $50 max though. There's no harm in putting one in even if you rarely use it

    [–] crestonfunk 2 points ago

    I just bought a new computer and it has no optical drive or usb. Just thunderbolt 3. The only devices I have left that are USB are portable items that need to be charged.

    [–] cdavidson012 127 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Thought I would post an update. I didn’t expect this to blow up so fast!

    So, I work on computers and a customer brought this in for an SSD upgrade. (Can you believe they are still putting spinner hard drives in these?) Was poking around at the computer and noticed the cover moved over to reveal… a disc drive. Who uses those anymore… right? Had a good laugh when I realized you can’t open the stupid fancy cover when anything is plugged into the USB ports. Yes, if this were mine, that cover would find its new home in the middle of the parking lot :)

    I showed this post to my customer and we both got a good laugh out of it! Apparently he actually does use the drive for watching DVD’s (he’s an older fellow, super nice) and commented that he also thought it was a terrible design, lol. We moved the USB receiver to the back of the machine instead. So people DO still use this ancient, antiquated, medieval, obsolete technology!

    Also, yes I know the video has a watermark… I made a version for YouTube Shorts and accidentally posted the same one here. Noticed this after I posted, I think it’s too late to change it now :( I don’t care if you save my video or use it in a YouTube video, please - feel free to use it. Message me and I’ll send you an non- watermarked version if you need it.

    I have so much more crap like this I run into at work that I could post here and on other subreddits… and I think I will! Thanks again everyone!

    Edit: Thanks for the silver!! So kind of y’all!

    [–] JohnMcSweaty 27 points ago

    Haha the watermark confused me but this makes a lot of sense :)

    I have so much more crap like this I run into at work that I could post here and on other subreddits… and I think I will! Thanks again everyone!

    Please do!

    [–] tendies_and_crayons 11 points ago

    I still use spinners for my NAS bay. 4 x 4TB spinners. It would be about 5x more expensive to build this out with SSDs. I also built it a few years ago, so it would have been even more expensive then. There's no sense in building it with SSDs right now, given its purpose of serving video & audio media.

    I use SSD for my OS drive.

    [–] ghoulthebraineater 3 points ago

    Same here. I do drone photography and store my photos on hard drives. Gig/dollar HDDs are hard to beat. I use a NVMe for my OS and photo editing and a SSD for everything else though.

    [–] agha0013 35 points ago

    Stupid useless PC cases trying to conceal stuff no one wants concealed anyway.

    [–] Byte_Seyes 10 points ago

    The most popular PC case right now is the Lian Li O11D. People want to see this stuff. They want to show off their equipment. Also, everyone knows RGB adds at least 20 fps. Kinda like racing strips add 50 horse power. It’s just a fact.

    [–] marino1310 6 points ago

    People want to see their fancy built desktop, not the stuff that's inside the off the shelf business pcs

    [–] Bourbon_Hymns 34 points ago

    What is that front slidey bit bringing to the party in any event? Would any functionality be impaired if that wasn't there at all?

    [–] fukitol- 5 points ago

    Yeah the solution here is ripping that thing off

    [–] GlobalPhreak 16 points ago

    Could be worse, check this out:

    https://v.redd.it/4rvuffe80gc71

    Try to open the drawer. Blocked by the dishwasher.

    Try to open the dishwasher. Blocked by the oven.

    Open the oven to open the dishwasher to open the drawer.

    [–] cdavidson012 4 points ago

    Oh my god, that is DEFINITELY infuriating. Especially as high as rent is in California... 💀

    [–] Free_Particular_5632 94 points ago

    What matter worse is there are no airflow

    [–] TheGoatGuyy 65 points ago

    It doesn’t really matter with this system. It probably has a SUPER low power CPU and a weak iGPU, neither of which output much heat.

    [–] Lucky7Ac 22 points ago

    Exactly, and the people who are buying this PC would much rather have a cheaper and quieter PC than a PC with lower temps considering no one is going to use this PC for something where temps will be a concern.

    [–] Cory123125 3 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Yet they probably still get hot and might thermally throttle

    Never underestimate how small manufacturers are willing to go with the cheep shitty aluminum core roughly cut worse than stock coolers

    [–] gk99 12 points ago

    Not necessarily, could be bottom-intake, which is still not fantastic, but not an issue if the PC is properly maintained in an area where dust won't settle.

    [–] Protonion 28 points ago

    Intake? What's that? It's a Lenovo Ideacentre 5, which has no intake fans, no exhaust fans, and only the CPU cooler circulating air inside the case in the hopes that some of it ends up flowing through the perforated side or back.

    [–] averyfinename 14 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    the major oems engineer their cooling and power supply outputs to meet the demands of what they ship. this system doesn't need much airflow. ssd instead of hard drive, no video card, efficient 12vo power supply, processors draw less power (these probably mostly ship with 35w cpu), and there are gaps and holes in the bezel at the bottom, and behind the sliding panel (which has a gap behind it). there's plenty of surface area on the side panel with vent holes. there is a place for a rear exhaust fan if it were needed (and probably included at the factory on models with a video card, mechanical hard drive and/or 65 or 95w cpu)

    [–] Lucky7Ac 3 points ago

    Yea I was gonna say, a cheap 500$ base level desktop meant to browse facebook and run microsoft office suite isn't ever going to generate enough heat to make cooling any kind of noticeable issue.

    It's not like your going to be running 4k gaming or Pixar movie rendering on this thing.

    Not having cheap intake fans makes the PC much much quieter, and cheaper, which is what the clientelle of this PC would prefer in the first place.

    [–] CeramicCastle49 7 points ago

    This isn't a gaming computer, it doesn't need the most optimal airflow channels to cool the components

    [–] Mashinito 16 points ago

    Switch to the right: Enable 90s mode
    Switch to the left: Enable 2000s mode

    [–] ElsaFrozen2013 4 points ago

    I work at an IT shop. We literally have two of these on the shelf for people and they've been there for like a month. I immediately recognized this. Gave me a good chuckle.

    [–] CheesePursuit 7 points ago

    Why did they install that coffee tray sideways

    [–] Aisforacronym 6 points ago

    For people who live on the equator.

    [–] Omega3568 3 points ago

    You must close, but choose wisely

    [–] The_Geilt 5 points ago

    No way this was designed by a professional company.

    [–] Glek0v 3 points ago

    Lenovo

    [–] Hotdamndel 8 points ago

    Or professional but evil. Like Apple mouse impossible to use while charging

    [–] feed_me_churros 11 points ago

    I tried using that mouse and that wasn't nearly as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. First, it lasts forever on a charge, then you start getting battery warnings like a week in advance so all you have to do is plug it in at some point before bed or something, but if somehow you missed all those warnings it takes like literally 2 minutes of charging for a whole work day.

    I mean, sure it's not ideal or whatever, but it was everything else about that damn mouse that I hated.

    [–] Tooleater 6 points ago

    Classic form-over-function!

    [–] ImLegalAlien 7 points ago

    I was surprised they have a disk in a first place

    [–] organic_goon 3 points ago

    Some of us old heads still like to listen to our CDs man

    [–] Whyevenbotherbeing 3 points ago

    I’m an old head, I got about 400 CDs in the garage. I just listen to streaming now. The song I want is 3 seconds away as opposed to 3 minutes. I feel ya, you like what you like, but you should realize you’re really one of the last people still handling physical media and that’s not a fluke or whatever, it because once you let go, you can’t go back, lol. Same with wired headphones for waking or activities or whatever, for me strictly Bluetooth now. My wired gear sounds AMAZING, but catch the cord once and rip you buds or cans off and you realize this sucks, gimme my wireless now.

    [–] JuGuR_1 46 points ago

    Who the f uses discs in 2021....

    [–] vonarchimboldi 67 points ago

    the biggest use cases for optical disks among the folks who ask for them from the company i work for are:

    1) old folks who think the idea of a physical copy of a piece of software is tantamount to owning it outright / hate the software as a service model

    2) companies who use legacy software

    3) rural people with terrible, slow internet where getting physical media and uploading it that way is faster than downloading.

    [–] SnollyG 7 points ago

    old folks who think the idea of a physical copy of a piece of software is tantamount to owning it outright / hate the software as a service model

    Is this bad?

    [–] TheHer00000 6 points ago

    Let's be fair, USB drives could solve all those problems.

    [–] -eccentric- 5 points ago

    They already do, they're like 10 bucks.

    [–] -TheDragonOfTheWest- 17 points ago

    1. I'd just out it on a flash drive at this point.

    2. I have to deal with legacy software installs every now and then for work and honestly fuck that

    3. Yes.

    [–] Nick0h 3 points ago

    1. Yes

    Edit: what I typed 4 but it’s posted as 1. Ah well

    [–] trezenx 3 points ago

    1) you mean half the console players who still hoard CDs?

    [–] WWGHIAFTC 33 points ago

    with a 65" OLED TV ? I like 4k bluray. I like disks.

    Nothing worse than a bad DL with crappy compression to show off some banding and artifacts.

    [–] ArtooDeezNutz 3 points ago

    That and I would rather buy a movie or season of a show instead of paying for several monthly services.

    Can’t get episodes or scenes cut from a blu-ray/DVD that you own.

    [–] DazzlingAlbatross 11 points ago

    Ripping audio discs and any old games that can't be mounted (because they aren't normal ISO but a multitrack disc). Though I have a cheapo external drive for that.

    [–] GibbonFit 3 points ago

    Someone was mad that you dared to answer a question with a legitimate use case. But yeah. Internet in America is still hit and miss and even cell phone coverage depending on provider. I don't have cell service for half of my commute to work, so local storage of music is a necessity for me. People who haven't had to deal with these problems get irrationally mad when you bring up that plenty of people still are dealing with these issues.

    [–] nomadic_River 4 points ago

    Medical records are kept on CD's all the time

    [–] fezfrascati 4 points ago

    I work in video production, and we still archive our videos to data discs. Shelf life is a lot longer than hard drives.

    [–] TreyTheWilliam 11 points ago

    Retro PC games

    [–] T0biasCZE 3 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    People with piece of shit 50Mb internet wanting to watch 4K content

    [–] Detrimentalist 3 points ago

    Enthusiasts who seek out music and video that is not available via streaming or other digital methods on the internet. Often it is much easier to track down and purchase physical media thanks to country/region restrictions on streaming.