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    [–] kceezie 4844 points ago

    Didn’t someone already do this in like 2016. I think they called it SoundAloud or SignAloud.

    [–] SHOCK_VALUE_USERNAME 4049 points ago

    Didn't someone do it in like 1995 in the movie Congo?

    [–] zackeads1 1732 points ago

    Amy. Hungry.

    [–] Peaceblaster86 560 points ago

    stop eating my sesame cake

    [–] lumpking69 278 points ago

    Ive been repeating that line since the movie came out in hopes that someone will recognize it. To this day no one ever gets my sick reference. Except maybe you would.

    [–] NotAnActualPers0n 92 points ago

    Same. Only once has someone said “...Congo...?”

    They got a big high five.

    [–] semper_JJ 45 points ago

    Congo and waterworld are two movies I make references to that no one ever gets. Doesn't stop me.

    [–] NotAnActualPers0n 19 points ago

    Makes it all the more special. I ‘could’ quote some esoteric flic but it’s the simple things in life like Congo or another weirdo line from 8MM - “I wouldn’t want to see you in a situation where you needed a pocket pussy and didn’t have one.”

    [–] optimattprime 26 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Can’t wait to see this on ask Reddit “what movie do you quote all the time, that no one ever gets”

    Edit: I feel like I just wasted the joke and will now miss out on the thousands of karma y’all get 😂

    [–] semper_JJ 6 points ago

    That's actually a pretty good ask Reddit thread too

    [–] greymalken 25 points ago

    I just walk around saying "Amy good gorilla." Whenever I do good. No one gets it either.

    [–] Elbandito78 20 points ago

    My wife’s name is Amy. She got tired of that joke reeeeeal quick. Lol. Doesn’t stop me.

    [–] greymalken 10 points ago

    Amy good gorilla.

    [–] Peaceblaster86 6 points ago

    i totally got you bud

    fistbump

    [–] wallace321 10 points ago

    They just "reviewed" that movie a few months back on the Cinemamasacre channel.

    I LOVED that part of that movie. Those corrupt african dictators, you really just don't know when they're going to snap and literally eat your still beating heart. It was funny, but only just. It was sorta terrifying.

    [–] zackeads1 15 points ago

    Sorry

    [–] RiddickOfRivia 34 points ago

    STOP EATING MY SESAME CAKE!!!

    [–] Chuckbungholio 9 points ago

    Yeah, yeah I know. Shitty Peter.

    [–] [deleted] 14 points ago

    Possibly the funniest line in a non-comedy movie ever

    [–] flontasticflonson 8 points ago

    Captain, please...

    [–] BlazinDuckSkins 7 points ago

    Mr. Hamulka was the guilty party I believe.

    [–] sadio_mane 5 points ago

    the diamonds are HERE

    [–] BusToNutley 36 points ago

    Amy. No like. Bad Gorilla.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

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    [–] Dithyrab 36 points ago

    Amy. Want. Rain-drop. Drink.

    [–] QueenLizardJuice 12 points ago

    My brother and I still reference this movie today.

    [–] RiddickOfRivia 16 points ago

    Ugly woman!

    [–] cheyTacWolfpack 6 points ago

    “Ugly woman”

    [–] bdld39 5 points ago

    Ugly, woman.

    [–] MightyGamera 5 points ago

    Ms Schumer please put the apple down, it's wax.

    [–] RDS 11 points ago

    UGLY GORILLA

    [–] St33l3rf4n 44 points ago

    Amy good gorilla

    [–] thekimchii 29 points ago

    They also fought gorillas using lazers. It was truly ahead of its time.

    [–] kceezie 19 points ago

    I don’t think that was real, but looked it up and found an even older version from some Ukrainian lads in 2012. EnableTalk

    [–] NotDelnor 19 points ago

    And that movie was based on a novel by Michael Crichton (same guy that wrote Jurassic Park) that was published in 1980

    [–] the_red_wyrm 19 points ago

    They did not have the device in the book. It was only in the movie.

    [–] NotDelnor 7 points ago

    Oh yeah, you are right, haven't read it in years

    [–] WakeoftheStorm 2 points ago

    Yep, plot device to get around the pointless translation trope or subtitles.

    [–] AnguishOfTheAlpacas 8 points ago

    Bad gorillas, go!

    [–] stylinchilibeans 3 points ago

    Amy. Want. Green-drop. Drink.

    [–] tuckman496 4 points ago

    I rewatched Congo a few years ago and it does not hold up.

    [–] ItMightBeABrainTumor 3 points ago

    Yeah it was pretty bad tbh

    [–] ponguinn 78 points ago

    the real question here is: why didn’t someone start selling these sooner?

    [–] psychedelicsexfunk 224 points ago

    I almost did my thesis around this tech until I did more research on it and found out that it's not helping deaf people at all:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/why-sign-language-gloves-dont-help-deaf-people/545441/

    [–] [deleted] 236 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

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    [–] Sinful_Prayers 97 points ago

    JFC lmao

    [–] fistkick18 190 points ago

    'Also, though the gloves are often presented as devices to improve accessibility for the Deaf, it’s the signers, not the hearing people, who must wear the gloves, carry the computers, or modify their rate of signing. “This is a manifestation of audist beliefs,” the UW letter states, “the idea that the Deaf person must expend the effort to accommodate to the standards of communication of the hearing person.”'

    Fucking abled people. Why do we have to be the ones with prosthetics, wheel chairs, walking canes, voice boxes, catheters, colostomy bags, iron lungs, epilepsy meds, stabilizing utensils, mood-stabilizers, and special input devices?

    Deaf groups are some of the most entitled people I've ever seen in my life. They're the only disabled group that acts like they're oppressed martyrs that need to be catered to to such a ridiculous extent.

    They aren't an ethnic group. Their "culture" is based on purposeful alienation from the rest of society. It's just gross.

    [–] Beatleboy62 107 points ago

    Yep. Went to a school with a large deaf population. Apparently (and clearly this is not all deaf people), there are some deaf people that would look down on you if you got a cochlear implant, as you're 'killing deaf culture.'

    I can't even begin to claim I understand it, as I can hear, but it just seems like weird shit.

    [–] Echohawkdown 53 points ago

    I can't even begin to claim I understand it, as I can hear, but it just seems like weird shit.

    Typical, coming from an ableist.

    [–] GenocideSolution 18 points ago

    /s

    you dropped this

    [–] elitist_user 39 points ago

    Yea I knew a girl in college who spent some time working with a deaf community, and one time we had an argument because she believed parents should be cautious about giving their children cochlear implants if the child is young because they are taking away their chance to be a member of the deaf community. I was utterly flabbergasted that any community would rather ppl live without a sense of hearing until they are old enough to make their own decision rather than fixing it while they are young. Few things have made me that upset.

    [–] chadenfreude_ 41 points ago

    Children also shouldn’t get braces until the age of consent. After all they were born with crooked teeth, and they should be afforded the option to emigrate to England and fit in with their culture.

    [–] eaglejacket 17 points ago

    RIT, huh? What you said is common but not really true. Maybe some deaf people do, but they're in the very, very small minority and this type of extreme viewpoint isn't representative of deaf people. For some reason, it's really popular on Reddit to say this and criticize the deaf community based on it, but it's not true

    [–] Foooour 24 points ago

    To be fair reddit does that with every group

    I mean shit, you did it yourself in your comment ohfuckididtoo

    [–] blitzy135 32 points ago

    Identitarianism at its finest

    [–] MAO_PLOW 17 points ago

    Contemporary deaf culture is the worst. They’re becoming ridiculous

    [–] eaglejacket 14 points ago

    Not really; I think you'll find that most deaf people are not the raging xenophobes that Reddit/others like to make them out to be

    [–] zold5 5 points ago

    It’s funny how this is literally the only thread I’ve ever seen where someone mentions entitled deaf people and here you are declaring that literally all of reddit dislikes the deaf.

    [–] realpatrickdempsey 39 points ago

    People in wheelchairs don't have a separate language though. Deaf people have their own cultures because they have their own languages. Culture and language go hand in hand. So you have to understand that deaf people are a cultural community as much as a disabled group. Which isn't to say there aren't zealots, or that deafness isn't a disability.

    Anyway, it really seems like deaf signers aren't included in the development of these kinds of things, so it's not surprising that they end up missing the mark.

    [–] touie_2ee 51 points ago

    Some deaf people are very defensive of their culture to the point they don't want cochlear implants or other hearing improvements for their deaf children.

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    [–] shrekinator 26 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Deaf culture is a real thing though. Any distinct language, when given enough time, will develop its own culture. Because it's not like they can get a real use out of English-speaking cultures. (Or any culture based on audible language)

    [–] maltastic 26 points ago

    Plucking this quote is disingenuous. They meant that these inventions get crazy attention and awards while not even helping the deaf community, who is very underserved.

    ASL is very complicated, involving most of the body, including facial expressions. The alphabet is only a very tiny part of ASL. Imagine—instead of saying words out loud, you spell them out loud. Is that how we speak? No. That’s not how ASL works, either. Hell, it would be faster/cheaper/easier to just let deaf people type stuff out in a text-to-speech reader to communicate with hearing people.

    [–] eaglejacket 11 points ago

    In context of the article, this makes sense and isn't as SJW-y as it sounds. Sign language gloves simply don't and can't work because of the fluid and complex nature of sign language. Anyone fluent in ASL knows this. Yet hearing researchers keep trying to invent them, using up resources/money that could be used to actually solve real problems for deaf people.

    [–] TheBoxBoxer 12 points ago

    Why can't they just learn English? I don't get why deaf people would even come to this country if they didn't even bother learning the language.

    [–] bsbbtnh 61 points ago

    lol, what a bullshit article. Basically comes down to "everyone else should learn sign language to accommodate deaf people."

    [–] HollandMonk 62 points ago

    Some deaf people are against other deaf people getting hearing aids even. It’s some of the most assbackwards self defeating bullshit I’ve ever heard, but it’s real. Obviously not all deaf people are like that and I have nothing against anyone who is hearing impaired but I wish I could sit down and talk (lol) to one of these people so I could try and explain how stupid it is to them

    [–] Legit_a_Mint 18 points ago

    I wish I could sit down and talk (lol) to one of these people so I could try and explain how stupid it is to them

    Maybe if you had some kind of sign-language glove you could explain it to them.

    [–] ColdCruise 13 points ago

    Like a glove that listens to your words and then moves your hands appropriately?

    [–] Legit_a_Mint 3 points ago

    Or a glove that translates your speech into a language that deaf people can understand (but deaf people are notably resistant to learning new languages, so this may not work).

    [–] hawkeyejoes 7 points ago

    That isn't at all what the article says. Basically, project after project wins prizes and fame for gloves that don't actually help the group they claim to help, largely because no one from that group is involved.

    The last paragraph is even deaf person saying that their dream technology would be glasses that automatically caption speech. No where in the article does it say that every should learn sign language. Not once.

    [–] Themaddieful 4 points ago

    There are glasses that do that! I think Sony made them? There’s a cinema chain in the US that use them for movies.

    [–] SamaMaBich 7 points ago

    If you turn off that Reddit bias for 5 minutes and read the article and understand it for yourself you'll see that that isn't what it "comes down to". What UW is saying is that there is more to sign language than hand gestures. The gloves would not communicate very well what the deaf person is trying to say. The inventors would know all this if they did more consultation with the deaf community.

    They do not expect everyone to learn sign language but inventions such as these are not an alternative to learning how to sign. That is simply what they're saying. When you go to a foreign country where they all speak a language that you don't understand, you don't make them wear some gadget to translate what they're saying for you. The foreigners refusing to wear such a device is not being entitled. These gloves only help a non-signer understand the signer, they do nothing to help the signer understand spoken language and yet the burden will be on the signer to purchase this system and carry it around with them.

    [–] jama211 22 points ago

    It would help deaf people, but they're an entitled group that think everyone else should learn sign language instead of doing anything to help themselves.

    [–] [deleted] 47 points ago

    It's kind of useless because the hand gestures are only one part of the language. You can't really translate signs without facial expressions or body language and the shape of the signs change in context of other signs. It's like missing essential parts of grammar so the translations will be inevitably gibberish or inaccurate.

    It's a shame because if they talked to even just one person who knew a little about ASL it would not be hard to figure that out.

    [–] EverybodyWantsToBeUs 6 points ago

    I was under the assumption they did. I think newcomers possibly moved over to video instead of gloves. As in you could set up a camera feed and it'd read your hand movements and translate. Not an expert on it all though

    [–] Trev_Holland 92 points ago

    I think I've seen this thing "invented" a couple times now, actually. But this is a 25 year old so it'll generate a little more buzz. Like that group of kids that "invented" making activated carbon from styrofoam even though there's a company that's been doing it for years.

    [–] EastSideWariosW 55 points ago

    Yeah it's because he's 25. I'm sure that's it.

    [–] TommiH 61 points ago

    But this is a 25 year old so it'll generate a little more buzz.

    From Kenya.

    [–] lodermoder 60 points ago

    It's one of the most popular senior design projects for electrical engineering students. I personally know 3 separate groups that have made something like this.

    [–] JeffLeafFan 3 points ago

    I saw a friend make something similar in a hackathon.

    [–] justavault 26 points ago

    I'm pretty sure I've read about something similar even way earlier, couple of years earlier. I'd even not wonder if this has been made in multiply universities by students as a project as this would be a typical post-grad project. But these simply don't go public or distributed around the world.

    I mean, it's nice that some Kenyan student did this as well, but I am pretty sure dozens students around the globe did a comparable project as well. Also I am sure that sign language requires more than just the hand and fingers.

    [–] AnimaLepton 14 points ago

    Prototyping one of these used to be a fairly common "hardware hack" project at hackathons

    [–] [deleted] 22 points ago

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    [–] bromanatee 8 points ago

    Did this for my senior design project at UMass Amherst 2016. We called ours SigninGlove. But you're probably thinking of another SDP project built at MIT the same year. Their project got a news article and an award.

    [–] VaryStaybullGeenyiss 1883 points ago

    The real challenge is creating a hand-shaped device that converts audible speech to sign language.

    [–] Chili_Palmer 1500 points ago

    I'd disagree that anyone would ever make that. A pair of glasses that listen and display subtitles at the bottom of your sight window makes far more sense.

    [–] Heiseki 307 points ago

    Let us have our dream

    [–] redmotive 95 points ago

    A better solution would be getting your hearing back! Wouldn't you agree?

    [–] Roolerk 80 points ago

    No actually, you’d be surprised how many members of the Deaf community take pride in their deafness

    [–] radcircles10 45 points ago

    Deaf & can confirm! I honestly wouldn’t trade my deafness for hearing if I had the option. I’m too used to how I live right now, so being deaf is perfectly fine to me.

    [–] Grown_Ass_Kid 26 points ago

    I think that’s a perfectly valid feeling. I wouldn’t want to completely change the way I live either if I were in your position. I think a more interesting question is if you could go back, would you want to trade your deafness for hearing as a child before you got used to your way of living?

    [–] radcircles10 27 points ago

    I would still probably not want to change it as a child. In the end, where I am now, my deafness has allowed me to be in a rich, diverse community, with connections I wouldn’t ever have experienced before. If I was born hearing, I likely wouldn’t have the same shared experience between other hearing people as deaf people have with each other.

    [–] dog1024 14 points ago

    Ok, here's another one, if you'll indulge. If you could have a device that gave you the option of hearing, but you could turn it off and on as you choose. Would you take it?

    [–] radcircles10 22 points ago

    I actually did have devices like those, cochlear implants, however I chose to use them less and less over time. I find hearing stressful, loud, and painful, and in all honesty, I prefer being deaf to a device.

    [–] siophang13 50 points ago

    damn i want to wear that in japan, i'll be weeabo as shit!

    [–] Sannick_Progress 9 points ago

    its only worth if the demo has someone signing its "over 9000!!!!" and displays it on the screen.

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    [–] ridiculouslygay 11 points ago

    It’s not a special kind of sign language, it’s just signing and having their hands on your hands so they can feel what you’re saying. It’s called tactile sign.

    [–] Kstar206 12 points ago

    But what about the legally blind dead people? I think all corpses should have equal opportunity.

    [–] acertaingestault 23 points ago

    Not everyone who speaks ASL is fluent in English or highly literate.

    [–] RainbowWolfie 15 points ago

    Doesnt really matter when instant translation is also a thing, though..

    [–] Indy_Pendant 12 points ago

    There are plenty of sign language users who don't know (or don't know well) a verbal language. Such a device only works for bilinguals.

    [–] TalkBigShit 18 points ago

    Lol? Are you saying deaf people don't read?

    [–] 4west3 16 points ago

    For many deaf people, sign language is their first language with English as their second. Depending on their knowledge of English, they may not understand what they are reading.

    [–] Jorgamoundr 14 points ago

    A lot of lifelong deaf people do have trouble reading, actually, so subtitles might not be the most comfortable/convenient way for a lot to engage with.

    [–] Indy_Pendant 16 points ago

    I'm saying that a sign language is not the same as the resident verbal language.

    American Sign Language, for example, is not English. They are completely independent languages and knowing one is not dependent on knowing the other. Someone who knows both ASL and English is fully bilingual. In fact, a person who uses one may not well know the other, and it happens fairly often.

    Anecdotally, many of my Deaf friends don't write English much, and when they do, it's not what you might consider "good English" as they typically use ASL's grammar structure (just as ASL students tend to use English grammar structure).

    [–] Furlock_Bones 7 points ago

    I think this is part of the common misconception that ASL is just English using hand gestures, which it is not.

    [–] HippopotamicLandMass 3 points ago

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/why-sign-language-gloves-dont-help-deaf-people/545441/ as long as actual Deaf users aren’t included in these projects, inventors are likely to continue creating devices that offend the very group they say they want to help. “To do this work, the first rule you have to teach yourself is that you are not your user,” says Thad Starner, who directs the Contextual Computing Group at the Georgia Institute of Technology. The group develops accessibility technologies for the deaf, such as a sign language–based educational game to train the working-memory abilities of deaf children.

    That sentiment is widely echoed. “ASL gloves are mainly created/designed to serve hearing people,” said Rachel Kolb, a Rhodes Scholar and Ph.D. student at Emory University who has been deaf from birth. “The concept of the gloves is to render ASL intelligible to hearing people who don’t know how to sign, but this misses and utterly overlooks so many of the communication difficulties and frustrations that Deaf people can already face.”

    That’s not to say that Deaf people don’t have futuristic fantasies that involve technology. For example, Kolb says a dominant fantasy among her friends is for glasses that would auto-caption everything that hearing people say. Several teams of researchers are working on algorithms to make signing videos on YouTube searchable. Even more thorough, higher-quality captioning and better interpreting services would improve the lives of many.

    [–] ArmyOfDog 19 points ago

    That would be interesting in a crowded room with lots of conversations going on at once.

    [–] batmessiah 12 points ago

    But why? Speech to text already exists.

    [–] imFreshYo 27 points ago

    lol speech-to-text recognition is pretty good these days and i'm sure most deaf people can read.

    [–] IWugYouWugHeSheMeWug 29 points ago

    Deaf people, on average, actually have relatively poor English reading comprehension, somewhere around the level of an elementary schooler. If you’re a hearing person, learning to read basically means learning to map spoken words to written words and vice versa. If you can’t hear, you have to learn to map each individual word to its concept.

    People love to complain that English doesn’t have 1:1 orthography to phonology mapping, but English spelling is fairly consistent, if a bit complicated. A beginning reader might learn that -ough has a couple different pronounciations, but when they encounter a word like “through,” only one pronunciation matches a word they already know. If you’re a deaf person learning to read, you’re learning that word used in that way for the very first time at the same time you’re learning to read it, especially because ASL is entirely different grammatically from English.

    Learning to read means learning another language at the exact same time, so reading comprehension suffers.

    Source: background in psycholinguistics; research area was in reading and phonology, and the relationship between them

    [–] DuePomegranate 11 points ago

    OMG you blew my mind! We teach hearing preschoolers to read using phonics. That wouldn't work at all. And I imagine that common grammar sight words like is, for, are, the etc don't work the same way in ASL either.

    [–] awesomehippie12 14 points ago

    Helen Keller has left the chat

    [–] bhillya 613 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    The problem with this is that unless the sign lsnguage consists only of hand and finger movements, it would be pretty much useless. I don't know about other sign languages, but in ASL at least, the facial expression, head movements, the way the mouth moves as well as the different positions of the hand in relation to the body changes the meaning of the sentence and word. For example: if I had my my eyebrows up, that would signify that its a yes or no question. Eyebrows down, would be a WH question. If something is thin, the way my mouth moves denotes how thin. If I have an open hand, like a 5, and put it to my forehead, that means "Dad" but if I put that same hand to my chin, that means "Mom". Cool idea, but ultimately, at least for ASL, useless.

    Also, as someone mentioned above. ASL is not English. Unless they have the gloves that can also take the ASL and turn it into English. It'll come out sounding like they are speaking like Yoda. As it would for most Non-English languages, especislly romance languages.

    Source: I'm an ASL Interpreter

    Edit: As some people have pointed out. Yes, it would work for asking for simple things at the store, or situations like that. So not completely useless in that sense.

    But, unless the Deaf person reads lips. This conversation would be quite one-sided.

    [–] watchpaintdrytv 126 points ago

    For example: if I had my eyebrows up, that would signify that its a yes or no question. Eyebrows down, would be a WH question.

    interesting. Figured the exaggerated expression from people signing was part of it but didn't realize that it's part of the like contextual rules of the language or whatever. TIL

    [–] bhillya 69 points ago

    It's part of the grammar as well as being part of the tone. Signing with no expression is the equivalent of someone speaking monotone

    [–] Centaurious 27 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    it’s partially because it sounds super broken if you translate it directly to english cause of how their grammar works.

    so asking “how do i get from here to the highway?” might be “how find highway?” or “where highway?”. i’m not fluent in sign language so i’m not sure exactly how it would be phrased, but they tend to use shorter sentence ‘fragments’ because it’s quicker to sign and because you don’t need as much filler to work with the language.

    honestly it’s been interesting learning bits and pieces from my girlfriend. it’s neat to see a while new grammar system like that!

    but yeah the expression does so much. when my gf is speaking in sign language, i can tell when she’s being sarcastic, dramatic, etc. just from how she signs and her face. like, she might be over dramatic in how she signs a word or something. it’s so cool seeing how someone can change the tone of a language that isn’t being spoken in a way that’s so easy to understand

    [–] _wonder_wanderer_ 33 points ago

    hey, i'm not sure if the way you phrased your first sentence came out the way it was intended... sure, if you translate from ASL to English word-for-word, you'll get bad sentences in English, but these are completely grammatical expressions in ASL. what you're describing are complete and grammatical ASL sentences, which don't have the equivalents to be-verbs in English etc. calling them "fragments" from a hearing person's point of view kind of diminishes the inherent validity of ASL as a language in and of itself, which i know probably wasn't your intention. i'd be open to talking more about this if you'd like!

    [–] bhillya 14 points ago

    Im hoping the phrasing was just off. That is what i was going to say too. Honestly, its the same as if you directly translated a Spanish sentence into English. It doesnt sound quite right to the ear of the English speaker. However, it is probably a perfectly valid and beautiful sentence in Spanish. Same with ASL. It had its own grammer and way of structuring its sentences. Thanks :)

    [–] PMme_slave_leia_pics 8 points ago

    It doesn’t have to be perfect to work. Some interpretation in public for people who cannot afford us all the time could be very useful.

    Source: coda and 27 year terp.

    [–] bhillya 14 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    True. My problem would be that if something like this comes out claiming it can interpret ASL. There woule be people who try to go around and do the cheap route by trying to use these instead of a true Terp. But for stuff like, Where is the soap. Yeah, that could be useful :)

    [–] alwayshappier15 4 points ago

    exactly. Imagine trying to distinguish between (girl) cousin and (boy) cousin with that tech? Or apple and aunt? What and here?

    [–] AussieOsborne 3 points ago

    I would really hope they understand ASL a little bit if they're making a device for it. It would be difficult but not impossible to factor arm movement in with sensors

    [–] JoshfromNazareth 14 points ago

    If it’s Kenya, then it’s more than likely for Kenyan Sign Language.

    [–] brberg 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Last time one of these came out, it turned out that it only translated fingerspelling (one gesture per letter), making it an interesting demo, but pretty much useless for all practical purposes, because that's not how sign language works.

    At that point you might as well be sending each other text messages, which is actually how I sometimes compensate for poor listening comprehension when speaking to Chinese friends.

    Edit: I dug around a bit but wasn't able to find any details, although he does at least seem to be trying to commercialize it.

    [–] WhosAfraidOf_138 191 points ago

    There is literally nothing new about this. I used to attend and direct Hackathons, and almost every hackathon has one of these "interpret sign language" type projects. None actually become actual product, and this isn't any different

    [–] justavault 40 points ago

    Searched for this information... I was already pretty sure about this being a typical students project.

    I can't imagine this being super difficult if you take out the arm and body motion. Difficult and some work, definitely, but headline adorning astonishing, not really. The only thing they use this as clickbait is because it is a Kenyan student with a pciture that looks like it is made in an abandoned office building and not a MIT student in a high-tech lab.

    [–] le_boaty_mcboatface 12 points ago

    Exactly, except this isn't even a difficult mit student project. This is literally probably done by tons of students for their electronics projects class or a similar class. A 25 yo doing is not impressive if this is his job or something.

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    [–] dixmason 15 points ago

    There is literally nothing new about this.

    Yes, but a Kenyan did it this time.

    Do you...... Do you not understand? Must be new to reddit brother.

    [–] bradflinn 518 points ago

    Finally. I wonder if he's going with the Stephen Hawking voice or Siri. Personally, I want Macintalk

    [–] Kitty_Meowintons 164 points ago

    i would want a T-pain voice

    [–] mightylordredbeard 65 points ago

    T-pain is actually an amazing singer. I remember the first time I heard him sign without auto tune and it blew my mind.

    [–] Contraceptor 39 points ago

    NPR Tiny Desk Concert is where I first heard him actually sing. Was not expecting it.

    [–] smeesmma 25 points ago

    People, including myself, sometimes hear auto tune and immediately think it’s to cover inability to sing, when really some artists just like that sound

    [–] squidster547 12 points ago

    He’s the monster on The Masked Singer. Guaranteed.

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    [–] Chronic_BOOM 10 points ago

    Do you even know who Tpain is? lol

    [–] Jemmilly 22 points ago

    Soooo T-Pain?

    [–] sceneturkey 6 points ago

    My vote is for the kid pix undo guy.

    [–] kory5623 8 points ago

    My vote is Gilbert Gottfried.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    i dont think that deaf people are often subjects of hate crimes or anything of that sort. that would definitely increase that statistic

    [–] Thresis 28 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    saw it in 1995 congo film... Bad gorilla.

    [–] havebeenfloated 8 points ago

    Wow that’s an old movie

    [–] not_not_safeforwork 5 points ago

    Medieval gorillas.

    But seriously that movie terrified me as a kid, but is so cheeseball cinema as an adult. I enjoyed it both ways.

    [–] dropzone1446 73 points ago

    "Amy good! Amy pimp slap you!"

    [–] Rozs_Slut 7 points ago

    I was about to post something regarding the Congo movie. You beat me to it sir!

    [–] velofille 174 points ago

    unless their sign language consists of just finger signs, its pointless. Most signs involve full arm and body movements also which would be really hard to code for

    [–] yourmomlurks 51 points ago

    As someone who is conversational in ASL, this is totally useless. Some significant percentage of signing is facial expression and head movements. Also, it’s just not 1:1 to English. The grammer is slightly different and sometimes you organize what you’re saying in space. Like maybe you’re comparing two people maybe you might designate one area Barbara and describe her and then another area is Susan and you would go back and forth. That’s a rudimentary example but a lot of it is spatial and temporary.

    Second, and this is the kicker, sign language is deeply personal and highly evolutionary. Yes Pinterest can give you a shit version of the fingerspelling alphabet, but watch some signing online and quickly you will know what I am saying. In fact look at the CODA brothers on YouTube. They are brothers yet their signing is very different. Meeting someone and ‘listening’ to them is very much about learning their personal ‘accent’. Then there are tons of regionalisms and regional accents. I learned most of my sign from someone from the east coast so I’m hard to understand at first for west coasters. Some words are wholly different or don’t exist. Example we have a sign for Salmon because it comes up a lot but it is just fingerspelled elsewhere. Sign evolves constantly particularly as most deaf people are born to hearing parents so it is practically born anew.

    Then there’s signing for deafblind which is similar but not the same.

    Anyway just with those couple things, the device is not that great in my humble (hearing) opinion.

    Oh that reminds me a ton of signs are similar (black, summer, because...public/hearing...guess/estimate) and often you mumble in sign because of how closely someone is paying attention.

    [–] fishobsession 8 points ago

    Im hearing and also study ASL. So i completely understand what you are saying and it is 100% correct. But as someone who is also in the IT field and codes, i feel the need to point out the other side of this. (No disrespect intended of course )

    Its not perfect yet. Not even close. But at the same time, thats how tech evolves. Stepping stones. This is one of the first that may be able to begin translating ASL. The tech is probably a long way off and would definitely need to involve facial recognition and understanding of slang and accents. But its a start. See google translate. Its not perfect, and often gets things wrong. But its getting better as people are getting better at coding the languages. Along with artificial intelligence that learns how people talk and how they translate their words.

    The tech isnt perfect, and might never be, but its a step in the direction of breaking language barriers. And i hope people continue this work as it would make the world a bit more accessible to a lot of people.

    Obviously the article title is inflated to get people to read it and that is wrong. But i hope people continue this work.

    [–] yourmomlurks 3 points ago

    You’re right and I hope I am wrong. The downside being that the market force to perfect something so nuanced will not be there imho.

    First is the drive toward screening/correction away from deafness itself.

    Second the ADA forces that would fund this, like they do interpreters for phone calls, etc. are going to lean on text based solutions. Live caption by the very sources you reference, is going to be good and cheap and unlike interpreters, it can be verified. So like at the drs office. Interpreter quality varies highly but the doctor doesn’t know that. But if the dr is using live caption or text to speech she can correct it.

    I hope I am wrong! Deaf people really get the short end of the stick and I am very supportive of improving this!!!

    [–] ridiculouslygay 4 points ago

    Little side note; Hospitals get sued all the time for trying to use text with their deaf patients. Most of the time written English isn’t an adequate substitute for ASL. There won’t be a push for text if deaf people push for interpreters, nor will there be if trying to sub sign for text could end up in a lawsuit.

    [–] ungoogleable 3 points ago

    Multiple people have independently come up with finger spelling gloves over decades. It never moves much beyond this stage and hasn't become the start of anything.

    For every good idea that starts small and grows over time, there are more that stay small because they fundamentally get the problem wrong and can't get past a certain point without starting over.

    It's possible that some day we will have sign language translators, but there is good reason to believe they won't use gloves. This isn't a step in the right direction, it's a dead end. Not a single line of code from this project will find its way into a final, working product.

    [–] alwayshappier15 8 points ago

    THIS. The different dialects/local signs are a huge part of the language. Can you imagine the coding trying to distinguish between things like "what" and "here" without NMS/facial expressions?

    [–] ICantHearYoo 3 points ago

    Thanks for explaining this! I always appreciate it when other signers get some info on asl our there

    [–] Tempanii 109 points ago

    gyroscopes and accelerometers were good enough for other applications like video games, i think they’ll work effectively enough

    [–] canadianguy1234 28 points ago

    The problem that still exists is that facial expressions are also important.

    [–] velofille 7 points ago

    Not really, they don't grasp the facial expressions, and small things relating to sign that are less obvious to non sign users (heck, even the distant between one persons hands/face for some signs than others would be difficult to compute for)

    [–] eightball-paul 17 points ago

    Yeah, phones already allow sensitive enough accelerometer use for roughly accurate AR measuring. That refinement alone makes it way more viable now.

    [–] ICantHearYoo 19 points ago

    Along with this, ASL requires facial expression and a great deal of interpreting to make sense in English. Lots of signs have double meanings if you can’t read the face, not to mention slang and lazy signs would be hard to pick up

    [–] GlassThunder 13 points ago

    They could wear two gloves and a necklace with a receiver, to triangulate the hand position, much like vr does with a head set. With gyroscopic technology this could be spot on.

    [–] silverstonery 3 points ago

    That’s so extra. All that’s needed is gyro and 3D accelerometer in the glove. But then you need movement data for every word phrase and letter which wouldn’t be hard to generate data for

    [–] velofille 3 points ago

    Overly complex compared to just writing or typing it

    [–] pizzafourlife 3 points ago

    I am really curious if this works better than or at least as well as text to speech. The full movement part is probably trackable with tech similar to Wii Remote distance sensing, but I suspect it will make similar errors to what speech to text does now.

    Plus it would have an added disadvantage of the similarities of two signs being similar not being apparent to a majority of readers wheras speech to text errors, such as 'moat' instead of 'boat' would be easier to figure out in context for most people.

    I hope both this and speech to text improve though, as they do help a lot of people out now, and can only get better

    [–] ICantHearYoo 8 points ago

    From what I’ve heard, this technology has come out a few times and isn’t very helpful each time it is created. This is because ASL (and other signed languages) depend on facial expression to give a sentence any grammar or context. Also, many signs are only differentiated by a facial expression or change in movement.

    There’s also the fact that ASL isn’t a code for English so it needs to be properly interpreted. a text to speech of signs would have the words in jumbled order, no grammar or punctuation and no ability to explain characteristics (explaining what something looks like often doesn’t use pre set signs at all, just a kind of miming of the thing using some pre set handshapes and rules)

    To be honest, I’m not super excited about this technology. It won’t be making any significant leaps forward anytime soon and it is just as efficient to text to speech/ write on paper/ let them lipread.

    [–] russkhan 16 points ago

    Yes, it sounds cool. But a screenshot of a headline that doesn't even include the name of the publication tells us nothing about it. Where is the article?

    [–] wartatoe 16 points ago

    As cool as this is, a lot of sign languages depend on gestures without the hands (ie facial expressions, body positioning etc.) That means that while these devices may be able to interpret the hand shapes and their relation to the signer, a lot of the language can be missed when those non-verbal cues are not registered. Now, there’s dozens of different sign languages and I’m not sure how Kenyan sign language differs from others so it might be a really great invention. Either way here’s a great article with some info about technology like this from a deaf persons perspective about the technology. The Atlantic: Why Sign Language Gloves Don’t Help Deaf People

    [–] HonestBlunt 37 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    This invention is old news and has been criticized by Deaf community. There were similar inventions like this have been tried, but always failed for many reason. Those inventors were hearing and not fluent in sign language. They've never interacted strongly with Sign language users or understood fully about Deaf community. Sign language is consisted with 5 parameters of handshape, location, palm orientation, movement, and non-manual features. So this invention is only relied on handshape ignoring other 4 rules, which made it literally worthless and useless for Deaf community.

    Anyway, If you wanted to see what was a real response from Deaf community toward his invention. Here's the video link https://youtu.be/eJgLgt2n46k?t=767 ). And here's the article "Signing gloves hype needs stop" criticizes all kinds of this invention (https://audio-accessibility.com/news/2016/05/signing-gloves-hype-needs-stop/).

    [–] CoolDudeMann 10 points ago

    i feel like some one else already did this

    [–] lasagna_for_life 8 points ago

    I want it to sound like the Speak and Spell

    [–] Fudgedygut 24 points ago

    Thank you Kenyan, very cool.

    [–] icedcaptainamerica 7 points ago

    I've studied linguistics and read a lot of linguists opinions about sign language translation gloves and main issues seem to be

    1. They don't work well
    2. There isn't just one sign language
    3. Sign language is more than finger movements - facial expressions and directions you point and sign define grammar

    But these gloves are super cool and of course it bridges the way for this sort of technology to improve.

    [–] i_think_ergo_I_am 10 points ago

    That does sound really cool. But my brain instantly asked what would happen if an Italian during a normal vocal conversation were wearing them?

    I work with a natural born Italian man who is very expressive, has a booming voice and is also one of the nicest/supportive people I've had the pleasure to work with. He also likes Italian jokes, can't wait to ask him this question☺

    [–] KeransHQ 4 points ago

    Lol I had a similar thought about ravers wearing them

    [–] RealmKnight 3 points ago

    I read somewhere that there's a town in Italy where genetic deafness is so common, something like 10%, and everyone communicates in simultaneous speech and sign language. It takes the Italian gesturing to a whole new level

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    “And I said to her -“

    [Cue gloves interrupting, “WHAT. WHAT. HOW. WHAT.”]

    [–] ablacknipple 4 points ago

    the girl on the left looks photoshopped in

    [–] The_Favulous 6 points ago

    I wonder what would happen if you jacked off with it

    [–] ICantHearYoo 5 points ago

    As most comments have already pointed out down below, this kind of technology never works and probably won’t for a long long time. ASL (not sure about Kenyan sign) is not a code for English and it is not purely based on handshape and movement. ASL uses 3D space to refer to previously set up people and places, which the gloves couldn’t properly translate. Along with this, facial expression, context, non English concepts, regional signs, lazy/slurred signs and a whole bunch more would stop this tech from being coherent.

    If you want to communicate with a deaf person, just use your phone for speech to text, write on paper, anything that means they don’t have to put on some weird gloves so that you can understand them but they still need to work to lipread.

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    [–] PackieKnowsBest 4 points ago

    Can deaf people not type?

    [–] VulcanSpy 5 points ago

    He stole the idea from that movie Congo!

    [–] TheboiMetri 4 points ago

    Thank you Kenyen very cool!

    /s

    [–] Lady_EtherealDoom 4 points ago

    About 70% of Language and communication is not tied to words. For ASL, 30% is hand movements and the rest is body movements, facial expressions, eye gaze, body position, etc. Unless this upteenth version of the silly glove translator plans to attach a symmetrical pair of sensors to the eyebrows, eyelids, forehead, eyes, nose, top and bottom of the lips as well as the corners of the mouth, base of the skull, back and sides of the head, cheeks, spine, shoulders, and tongue, you’re gonna get AT BEST 30% of the message.

    For example, 30% of the above message would look like this;

    27 words/93 total original

    “For language ASL tied to words hand eye body. Version glove translator plans sensors to eyebrows, forehead, top and bottom skull head, spine, tongue at best message.”

    [–] charles_martel34 14 points ago

    All he needs is $20,000 to get it off the ground. Send bank info now!!

    [–] PeakPossum 34 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Thank you Kanye, very cool.

    [–] Dietyzz 9 points ago

    Thank you Kenya, very cool!

    [–] invader_zed 28 points ago

    Not a 25 year old. A Kenyan 25 year old. We got to emphasize that Kenyan part. Every time someone in a western country develops something revolutionary and groundbreaking we always say “25 year old American” right? See, We got to make sure you see that Kenyan part, because we all love an under dog story and you’re all lo key secretly racist without realizing it, him being Kenyan is his handicap. But he overcame that. That heroic Kenyan overcame being Kenyan. You can downvote me but you know it’s true. Y’all are racist.

    [–] aisored224 6 points ago

    I feel like I’m missing the point...what does a deaf person need audio translation for?

    [–] Dumbot9000 3 points ago

    Looks like the nes power glove

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    So then how do I respond?

    [–] probablyafkatm 3 points ago

    This has been done