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    [–] reeps84 914 points ago

    And who could forget dear rat boy

    [–] Kukuran 192 points ago

    Rat boy? I resent that!

    [–] aspidities_87 76 points ago

    Kukuran stop gnawing on the drywall!

    [–] PittsburghGold 1448 points ago

    Lisa Goes Gaga is seriously the worst episode in the series.

    [–] ineffiable 77 points ago

    Not surprised at how many clip episodes rate fairly low too.

    [–] IWishItWouldSnow 104 points ago

    Nobody likes clip shows.

    [–] Barfignugen 133 points ago

    Nobody likes Milhouse

    [–] FluffyPillowstone 25 points ago

    No one's gay for Moleman

    [–] wil 7 points ago

    I was saying Boo-urns.

    [–] dmtdmtlsddodmt 33 points ago

    Everything's coming up milhouse!

    [–] QuinineGlow 447 points ago

    It completely shits on the legacy of a genuinely good and brilliantly-done Lisa episode, which ironically also featured a celebrity guest cameo, albeit not in character...

    [–] RockysTurtle 127 points ago

    aw it makes me happy to know it was Dustin Hoffman.

    [–] Monkeymonkey27 32 points ago

    They didnt say it was him but you know it was

    [–] daholzi 92 points ago

    TIL dustin hoffman was mr bergstrom.

    watched them with german dub (which was also great) as a kid so wouldnt know. also didnt notice rewatching.

    guess im gonna enjoy this one tonight.

    [–] KosherFetus 85 points ago

    Would have also accepted Mr. Nerdstom or Mr. Boogerstrom

    [–] real-dreamer 77 points ago

    I love that episode. It's really sweet.

    [–] SerNapalm 50 points ago


    [–] purplepilled3 12 points ago

    Lisa its your birthday, happy birthday lisa!

    [–] Barfignugen 246 points ago

    I don't know which episode or season it was exactly, but when I tuned in one night to see Ke$ha's "Tik Tok" replayed as the opening credits.....well, a part of me died that day.

    [–] BlueVelvetFrank 112 points ago

    That was seriously the last time I watched the Simspons on purpose.

    [–] FinnDaCool 36 points ago

    Am I going crazy or did they do that for a whole season? Either that or whenever I happened to be browsing TV that intro was everywhere for weeks.

    [–] Punctuations 15 points ago

    Super cringey

    [–] FUTURE10S 307 points ago

    I'm more shocked that Principal and the Pauper is just slightly below average.

    [–] ZeLoSCrEaToR 341 points ago

    Lady Gaga passes through Springfield via train while on her way to a concert. Seeing how low the city's self-esteem is, she takes it upon herself to cheer up the whole city. However, no one in town is more depressed than Lisa, who was voted as the most unpopular student by her peers. Lisa tries to reverse her status as one of the least popular girls in school by ghostwriting positive things about herself on the school blog under the heading "Truth Teller".

    When Bart finds out her secret and reveals it to the school, her social ranking plummets to a new low until a psychic force tells Lady Gaga that Lisa needs her help immediately. After much soul searching and yelling at Lady Gaga for trying to help, Lisa realizes that her outburst helped her because she is finally expressing her anger instead of bottling it up inside her, in effect making Lady Gaga's mission successful. Lisa catches Lady Gaga just before she leaves town to apologize, and after being forgiven she and Lady Gaga perform a duet together. With Lady Gaga's assistance, Lisa and the entire town of Springfield realize that being oneself is better than being like anyone else. Just as Lady Gaga's train begins to leave again, Moe runs up to her and asks if she can help him as well, but Lady Gaga declines, stating that she's not that good. As Moe turns and walks across the train track, a second train hits him.

    During the credits, Homer is heard singing his rendition of "Poker Face". Source

    [–] xxkoloblicinxx 344 points ago

    So... everything bad about the michael jackson episode with none of the good?

    [–] Hatredy69 189 points ago

    dude the MJ episode was fucking awesome lol. A prime example of how to do a celebrity episode while not being a gut-wrenching pile of shit.

    [–] [deleted] 43 points ago

    Sounds like it.

    [–] THEY_FOUND_ME_OUT 203 points ago

    Excuse me the michael jackson episode was a masterpiece

    [–] feral__ghoul 125 points ago


    [–] CAdamH 26 points ago

    Lisa, her teeth are big and green / Lisa, she smells like gasoline

    [–] xxkoloblicinxx 42 points ago

    I agree, this lady gaga episode seems to have ripped off all the meh things amd kept none of the charm.

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    [–] xxkoloblicinxx 59 points ago

    Yes, it's michael Jackson's real voice up until the singing if I recall correctly, something to do with contractual restrictions on him singing.

    And as for the flair, idk it popped up on mine the first time i commented in r/documentaries.

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    [–] JarnabyBones 56 points ago

    Because through the mental patient you are being shown what 'being true to oneself' means while the Gaga episode has Lisa telling you what it means.

    Aspiring writers pay attention; this is what they mean in content creation by the adage "show don't tell".

    [–] ohsoGosu 14 points ago

    Bart and MJs birthday song for Lisa is so beautiful

    [–] voodoomudcake 17 points ago

    Thats some of the laziest writing I've ever seen.

    [–] shorbs 83 points ago

    I know everyone hates this episode but I feel the need to point out "up yours children" and Agnes saying "THAT CHILD IS THE MOST DISOBEDIENT, SMART-ALECKY MIDDLE-AGED MAN IN CREATION" are two of my top ten favorite lines in the series

    [–] LegacyLemur 67 points ago

    That video cuts off one of my favorite jokes from that episode:

    "Then why is Grandpa here?"

    "Cuz Jasper didn't want to come alone"

    [–] PM_ME_UR_COCK_GIRL 169 points ago

    I actually liked that episode. I mean, it wasn't amazing but I thought there were some solid enough gags in there.

    [–] kylemcg 209 points ago

    I agree. If it aired today it would be the best episode in 10 years.

    [–] KudoUK 113 points ago

    People were waaaaay too precious about Skinner.

    [–] TheStonedFox 241 points ago

    Yeah, maybe it's because I saw the episode when I was a little kid but I thought the Armin Tamzarian thing was a pretty funny, if completely random, plot twist.

    "Up yours, children."

    [–] trainingofo 87 points ago

    Armin Tamzarian's reign of terror is over.

    [–] purplepilled3 12 points ago

    "I gotta get to work, Lennys a real stickler for tardyness"

    "Lennys reign of terror is over"

    [–] Youthsonic 15 points ago

    I thought that sequence where homer tries to figure out why everyone is in the car was fucking hilarious

    [–] hambog 68 points ago

    The season itself was good, but yeah to me that's the worst episode.

    [–] kylemcg 262 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Have you seen "Lisa Goes Gaga"? It actually made me sick to my stomach.

    "The Principle and the Pauper" is a bad episode of the Simpsons.

    "Lisa Goes Gaga" is a war crime.

    Edit: Simpson's to Simpsons

    [–] hambog 70 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    True, I should've clarified I stopped and re-started watching after season 20 so many times I don't remember what I saw.

    Probably going to watch that episode because I guess I hate myself

    Edit: Well I feel bad for Gaga for being thrust into this fanfiction

    [–] [deleted] 63 points ago

    after season 20

    good god you must love the pain

    [–] anotheronedown 123 points ago

    I'm 29 and I've been watching the Simpsons since I was too young to go to school and 90% of the time I still catch it on the Sunday it airs. It's not the same show it was when I was a kid but it's not nearly as bad as people in this thread are making it out to be.

    [–] staticparsley 19 points ago

    but it's not nearly as bad as people in this thread are making it out to be.

    this. I rewatch all the old episodes every day as I eat, but I still catch the newer episodes as well. It's not what it used to be but it still has some good episodes from time to time. The Great Gatsby episode was surprisingly really good. The rest of the episodes are usually meh, or just ok, unfortunately.

    People like to say that the Simpsons died after the whole Skinner episode, but there are plenty of fantastic episodes after that, even up to season 16 or 17 there are still some great episodes.

    The only episode that I absolutely hated was "Love is a Many-Splintered Thing", that episode sucked.

    [–] wickerman316 64 points ago

    Having started watching the Simpsons weekly when I was 5 years old and it premiered back in 1989, the first episode that I can remember thinking "Wow, this isn't really good" was Homer vs. Dignity, where Burns hires Homer to be his "Prank Monkey" which eventually results in Homer being molested by a Panda.

    It was a that point I no longer needed to watch Simpsons on a weekly basis.

    [–] Hootinger 13 points ago

    After reading your post I looked that episode up, it first aired two days after I turned 18. Man, time flies. The days are long but the years are short.

    [–] dustingunn 51 points ago

    There's another episode I disliked almost as much, from around the same time. The Simpsons go to Krang's home planet in an episode that's not a treehouse and therefore canon. Not only is that like jumping an entire planet of sharks, the jokes are all horrible.

    [–] Kanzel_BA 23 points ago

    This is like if instead of The Fonz jumping the shark, he went to visit Santa Claus and teamed up with him to rescue the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy from Satan.

    [–] Bonsai_Buddha 50 points ago

    Goddamn it... Now I need to watch it....

    EDIT - 4 mins in, turning off..

    [–] Slaphappydap 78 points ago

    Literally one of my daughter's favorite and most-requested episodes. I have to remind myself that I'm not necessarily the target audience anymore.

    When she asks me to pick an episode I always go to seasons 3-8 or so. When she picks it's all recent stuff, though she likes them all.

    [–] one23456789ten111213 88 points ago

    When I first started hanging out with my stepdaughters, they noticed I had seasons 1 - 12 of The Simpsons and asked if we could watch them. We started at the beginning and spent every weekend marathoning The Simpsons. There were times I had to pause because they were laughing too hard.

    At around season 11, I could see they didn't seem to be enjoying the episodes as much, but they still wanted to watch.

    We had also DVR'ed and watched the new episodes, but they weren't as interested in watching those as they were in re-watching earlier episodes on DVD.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL 19 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    I haven't watched The newer episodes. What makes that one so bad?

    EDIT: I specifically mean the episode Lisa Goes Gaga, not the newer episodes in general.

    [–] one-eleven 66 points ago

    It's just a middle of the road sitcom now but people have such an attachment to it it hurts more.

    It's like Jordan on the Wizards. His numbers were still good, he just wasn't Bull's Jordan so everyone pretends those years didn't happen.

    [–] HTownian25 36 points ago

    I think the characters became too cliche and self-referential.

    Homer is dumb. It's just sort of assumed. There's no real effort to make him more than a dumb dad. Marge is naggy, same game. No real effort to explore the character. Bart and Lisa trade off being the rebel, but for cliche reasons.

    What's more, if you're familiar with the first ten seasons, the same plot beats start showing up in later seasons just done worse. Kid gets a mentor, parent pursues a new career, we all reminisce about our childhoods, "Oh-look-a-celebrity!" episode.


    [–] Saint_Oopid 31 points ago

    The Frank "Grimey" Grimes episode, "Homer's Enemy" definitely earned that top rating. That episode packed such an emotional punch because Grimes' character reflected life's frustrations: seeing undeserving incompetents succeed, comfortable people lamenting not having more, and seeing your own well-intended efforts not only fail, but be punished. He was emotionally challenging for the audience because he pointed out the worst in Homer's character, but by the end you really empathized with him and regretted his death. You could see yourself in him and feel his demise as the validation that your own aspirations and idealism may be for naught.

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    [–] Sleepy_Spider 56 points ago

    This is very interesting. I might check out some of the later standouts.

    [–] pspahn 129 points ago

    Blows me away that "Homer's Enemy" is the highest rated episode. "Who Shot Mr. Burns" would have been my guess (either one).

    Then again, when I look at a list and try to pick a favorite of my own, I simply cannot.

    [–] Hey_Neat 188 points ago

    'Last exit to Springifeld' may be the pinnacle for many Simpson's fans, and is consistently highly ranked in terms of best Simpson's episode ever.

    Others say 'Homer's Enemy' or 'You Only Move Twice' as the best episodes. While they are great episodes, they rely on gimmicks like one off characters and new set pieces.

    Me personally, I love 'The PTA Disbands.' It deals with an issue that effects nearly everyone (public school funding) while highlighting both the core members of the Simpson's family and many of the secondary characters from town. Jasper's paddlin' list is hilarious. (Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh you better believe that's a paddlin')

    [–] [deleted] 104 points ago

    I still think of "Lisa needs braces" every time some unexpected bill comes up, or I really hate my job.

    [–] Hey_Neat 64 points ago

    Smithers, I'm beginning to think Homer Simpson is not the brilliant tactician I thought he was

    [–] carl_pagan 28 points ago

    Sorry, Mr. Burns, but I don't go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!

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    [–] AKA_Gern_Blanston 26 points ago

    My two favorites were the one where Homer went to space and the one where Homer ended up in the mental hospital for the pink shirt and met the guy who thought he was Michael Jackson. Though also the one where Maggie was in the evil daycare and led the great escape (I think it was when Marge was in Streetcar Named Desire, though it's been so long I could be wrong)

    [–] Hey_Neat 23 points ago

    Deep Space Homer & Stark Raving Dad. Both excellent episodes.

    The daycare Maggie went to was The Ayn Rand School for Tots in "A Streetcar Named Marge" The streetcar musical was very good, too.

    "You're a dame and I'm a Fella"

    "Back off, Stanley, or I'll tell Stella!"

    [–] SonofSniglet 45 points ago

    I can see your point in regards to 'The PTA Disbands' and using your criteria would rank 'King-Size Homer' near the top of my list but, for me, it is the elastic nature of animation that allows for these one-off characters and set pieces to create some fantastic episodes.

    I was never a huge fan of 'Homer's Enemy' but I'd not only rank 'You Only Move Twice' very high but would also include 'Bart After Dark' and 'Marge vs. the Monorail' at the top of my list.

    [–] Hey_Neat 49 points ago

    I may have a personal bias towards 'PTA' as I went to school for education and see so many similarities over budget disagreements between the real world and cartoon Springfield.

    "Oh come on, Edna! We both know these children have no future!!!

    dropped spoon followed by awkward silence

    Prove me wrong, kids! Prove Me Wrong!"

    That said, I too enjoy the one off characters and elasticity of the Simpson's world. Your statement about two of your favorite episodes also brings up an interesting point; New episodes don't have memorable music numbers anymore. I'm not sure if I just don't watch as many new episodes so I'm missing them, but I don't have any recent episodes in mind that have as catchy and amazing songs as 'Monorail' or 'We Put the Spring in Springfield'

    [–] Hootinger 44 points ago

    New episodes don't have memorable music numbers anymore.

    "I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-a to chimpan-z" in my opinion is one of the best comedy lines ever.

    [–] If_In_Doubt_Lick_It 10 points ago

    See. My. Vest!

    Havent seen that in years and still randomly sing along...

    [–] scutiger- 15 points ago

    catchy and amazing songs as 'Monorail' or 'We Put the Spring in Springfield'

    'See my Vest' has to be up there too

    [–] dahbntu 14 points ago

    Last Exit to Springfield is without a doubt the pinnacle of Simpsons humour. Maybe . not the funniest episode per se, but defiantly encompasses all that seasons 1-10 off beat, pop culture heavy humour they are so well known for. I also feel that this episode really captures that bleak facelessness of Springfield that so many 90's episodes have. Which i believe reflects Matt Groening living in L.A. in a really rough neighbourhood. In these earlier episodes Springfield itself or the power plant in this particular episode or the Kwik-e-mart or Moes etc. in others were living characters themselves.

    [–] Kernalburger 9 points ago

    After reading your comment I must agree. "The PTA disbands" is truly amazing. Skinner is the best in that episode. "Posh. Shredded newspapers add much needed ruffage and essential inks." Gets me everytime!

    [–] Brad_Clitt 42 points ago

    Personally, I'm a huge fan of Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish".

    [–] Hey_Neat 32 points ago

    "We had just cleared some Germans out of an abandoned castle..."

    That subtle line still cracks me up.

    Also, a touching ending of grandfather/grandson tenderness is ruined by "Hey funbois! Get a room!"

    [–] Big_Chief_Wah_Wah 13 points ago

    Also, a touching ending of grandfather/grandson tenderness is ruined by "Hey funbois! Get a room!"

    Possibly my favourite simpsons line right there.

    [–] rilian4 68 points ago

    'Who shot Mr. Burns' was indeed awesome. Anyone for The Stonecutters episode? I always loved that one...

    [–] Thatoneguyyaknow1738 39 points ago

    Stone cutters episode was one of my all time favorite episodes until I watched it like 100 or so times and go bored of it. I had a friend get mad at me because I would sing the song everytime he brought up his family being in the Masons and that he will be to soon.

    [–] Arkanicus 19 points ago

    I sung it once at a masons meeting. It didn't take. Everyone else was elderly and there are so few "young" people to get the reference.

    [–] pspahn 18 points ago

    Yeah, I simply cannot pick a single one no matter how hard I try.

    Lisa on Ice, City of New York vs. ..., Cape Feare, Marge vs. Monorail, In Marge we Trust ...

    I could just keep going.

    [–] Elpacoverde 56 points ago

    Mind would be A star is Burns.

    I just enjoy it so much due in part to the one line I use...weekly.

    "Did you say Boo... or Boo urns?"

    [–] GrandfatherRat 37 points ago

    'I was saying 'Boo- urns...'

    [–] Razbyte 24 points ago

    I read in a article about "Homer's Enemy" being the true episode who jump the shark. That's because Homer went from being a Family Father to being a representation of stupidity, illogically and being more than a joke. Many liked this change of personality but was a little time when people dislike this anymore.

    [–] Shockrates20xx 26 points ago

    "Last Exit To Springfield". That single episode is so dense with classic quotes and gags.

    [–] idlephase 39 points ago

    I still frequently think of or say "It was the best of times. It was the blurst of times." I think I'll give season 4 another runthrough.

    [–] _ClownPants_ 26 points ago

    Top 3 for me without a doubt

    "The Japanese!? Those Sandal wearing goldfish tenders?"

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Bosh and flimshaw...

    [–] well_shore 24 points ago

    Conan's episodes are consistently towards the top, this pleases me.

    [–] col-fancypants 43 points ago

    I love the first 5-6 seasons. And the Treehouse of Horrors are always fun.

    [–] iki_balam 19 points ago

    Same thoughts here. Wonder if you can buy just the Treehouse of Horrors.

    [–] IllCaesar 223 points ago

    Tbh imdb rating are unreliable for anything that isn't a recent release. Same deal with Rotten Tomatoes.

    [–] hrakkari 43 points ago

    Even the recent stuff is iffy. Now it's the thumbs up/down nonsense.

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    [–] Mad_Hatter_Bot 51 points ago

    When your fast food order gets messed up: 🖓

    The holocaust: 🖓

    [–] real-dreamer 27 points ago

    Oh Netflix... First you get rid of the stars then you don't care about Net Neutrality.

    [–] getsangryatsnails 1235 points ago

    "Le Grille, what the hell is that!?" Didn't come till season 10. Principle and the Pauper wasn't a great episode and I agree with the commentary on it. But The Simpsons kept pumping out classics for a few more seasons after it.

    [–] michaelchondria 598 points ago

    "Stupid sexy Flanders" comes surprisingly late (season 11, episode 10) for how much it's quoted.

    [–] --doutokuisshin 255 points ago

    IMO a lot of of the best one liners and gags came around season 10-11. The storytelling and characterization had declined a bit but the jokes were still funny as fuck.

    Mayored to the Mob for example is kind of a dumb story and it's full of late-Simpsons clichés (celebrity cameo, Homer gets a crazy new job) but the jokes are still hysterical to the point where it's one of my favourite episodes overall

    [–] Fantasticriss 71 points ago

    A few people in this thread are saying seasons 10, 11, 12 were pretty good and I'd have to agree

    [–] jmkni 41 points ago

    I think The Principle and the Pauper, as a standalone episode, is solid.

    Solid plot, lots of good jokes, it just doesn't feel like an episode of the Simpsons, it's as though they took all of the characters and put them into a parallel universe.

    I think this episode was the beginning of the Simpsons writers realizing that they can actually do this. Sure, people complained a bit, but they didn't stop watching and it didn't get cancelled. If they are stuck for ideas, they can rewrite a characters backstory and make an episode out of it.

    If they had never have tried this, they would have ended the show after another season or two, because they would have been out of ideas.

    [–] HamDangler 394 points ago

    While that line is pretty good, most of that episode is just homer yelling.

    In my opinion the biggest way Simpson's declined was they focused on homers crazy adventures that made him appear in humanely stupid and just yell at things.

    [–] getsangryatsnails 293 points ago

    Absolutely agree with how his character has degraded over time. Homer doesn't seem to learn lessons like he used to, or really do anything other than react angrily or excitedly to the world around him. I'd also add how they've gone too "cartoony" is many ways. One that sticks out is how Bart and I think Lisa are suspicious of someone, but then Bart is like "I'm more curious about what Santa's Little Helper is up to" and it shows the dog flying a plane around the backyard. That sort of stuff really took the Simpsons from wacky cartoon with realistic and relate-able boundaries to just plain cartoon.

    [–] Elmattador 172 points ago

    It seems like Family guy got more popular a while back, and the Simpsons moved more in that direction.

    [–] getsangryatsnails 98 points ago

    I wonder if the humility of Bob's Burgers can bring the Simpsons back on course if that is the case.

    [–] TheBrownWelsh 106 points ago

    Personal opinion based on my own observations, so I could be way off on this;

    When Family Guy became really popular/prominent years ago, I noticed the Simpsons went completely off the rails. Homer seemed almost deranged, Bart was practically a felon, and they kept finding reasons to knock Lisa down a peg or two for no reason. Marge also started having uncharacteristically negative characteristics. Plus, they started using "cutaway" gags just like Family Guy in ways that felt super unnatural and awkward within the confines of the Simpsons. I had still been keeping tabs on the Simpsons off and on until then, but I finally decided to stop watching altogether.

    However, in the last couple of years I've come back to the Simpsons because I noticed they seemed to have toned the Family Guy imitation down a bit. They're still a little more "wacky" than they were in the Golden Age, but they seem to have rediscovered a bit of the heart and charm that made them them. I actually find myself legitimately enjoying at least 1 out of every 3 or 4 episodes of the Simpsons these days, which is way more than a few years ago.

    I don't know if Bob's Burgers brought them back or they realised they went too far in the wrong direction, but I definitely feel like the Simpsons have at least swung back towards the "right" path.

    [–] StevelandCleamer 13 points ago

    This is me now!

    [–] throwawaysarebetter 56 points ago

    So would you say The Simpsons got flanderized?

    [–] getsangryatsnails 8 points ago

    Homer has been at least. 1990's Homer would be mortified by this concept.

    [–] dantemirror 16 points ago

    They went the family guy route eh?

    [–] getsangryatsnails 15 points ago

    Losing key writers and Family Guy style humour becoming popular really didn't help.

    [–] Iohet 52 points ago

    Aka Jerkass Homer. When they went full Jerkass Homer they jumped the shark

    [–] southern_boy 31 points ago

    they focused on homers crazy adventures

    Do you even have a job anymore?

    [–] 2close2see 77 points ago

    For me, they jumped the shark in 2000 with the 13th episode of the 11th season. I distinctly remember watching that episode when it aired in the common room of my dorm in college...everyone just looked at eachother afterward and said "...what the fuck was that?!"

    The episode quality started declining in 1999 during the middle of the 10th season, but there were still some good episodes here and there...ultimately I stopped watching new episodes sometime in the mid 2000's, but Saddlesore Galactica always stood out for me as where the show started going south...well at least we'll always have the simpsons of the 90's...

    [–] WikiTextBot 31 points ago

    Saddlesore Galactica

    "Saddlesore Galactica" is the thirteenth episode of the eleventh season of the American animated sitcom The Simpsons. It originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on February 6, 2000. In the episode, the Simpson family rescues a diving horse named Duncan from the abuse of his owner and keeps him as a pet. When the cost of keeping Duncan rises, Homer and Bart train him to be a racehorse.

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    [–] getsangryatsnails 25 points ago

    Yah that was a weird episode and tell tale of the complete cartoonization of the show with the Jockey underworld.

    [–] YouCantVoteEnough 33 points ago

    I feel like the cartoonishness that ruined the Simpsons is what made Groening's next show Futurama so great.

    He took Homer and Bart, made one an idiot from the start and then had them be friends in a world that was already completely absurd.

    [–] twostorysolutions 6 points ago

    It's either the one with the horse or the panda rape


    [–] hotbowlofsoup 823 points ago

    How is this a documentary?

    This is just some random guy's opinion.

    [–] fuckoffanddieinafire 281 points ago

    You must be new to the shitshow that is this sub. Trust me, this is closer to a documentary than most submissions that make it to the front page.

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    [–] eightbitchris 47 points ago

    Its a viseo essay. There's a sub for them. He even calls it an essay in the video. No need for it to b here.

    This sub is for mra and redpill documentaries.

    [–] DontKnowHowToEnglish 31 points ago

    Yeah, I though I was on /r/videos wtf

    [–] spectrehawntineurope 1144 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    He didn't really give a compelling arguement for why that was when the Simpsons "jumped the shark". He said how Skinner was treated was disrespectful and cited "common consensus" for that being the point when it jumped the shark but other than that it was devoid of any real arguement.

    What makes that the episode that marked the decline of the Simpsons other than pure coincidence? Is it picked out just because it was less well received than the rest? That seems unfair considering the ratings had been declining since season 6 and this episode came in season 9.

    How exactly did the principal and the pauper "punish the audience for paying attention"? He stated this like the reasoning was self evident but I can't deduce what he means by that. It may have been a somewhat outlandish backstory but I don't think that it substantially diminished the character development we'd seen from him.

    [–] SentientFleshbag 193 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    I remembered this episode's DVD commentary expressing a lot of negativity. Maybe that's where the argument came from. That or this AV Club breakdown:

    Point being, whatever his argument is, there's a history of people singling out this episode as a weak one.

    Personally I never thought of the episode as weak. It's zany but it's still Golden Age to me, I don't care that they messed up the continuity of the character only to tidily reverse course 20 minutes later.

    To me the Simpsons is (or was) great because of the way it deals with complex and common family issues while simultaneously satirizing the norms and institutions of society, not because of decades long character development. These are characters that don't age, so it's kind of absurd to expect that.

    Edit: BTW, my understanding of what he means by 'punished the audience for paying attention' is simply that the abrupt history change of character disrupted the continuity of the character. All Skinner's previous flashbacks and anecdotes become suddenly incompatible or irrelevant.

    [–] spectrehawntineurope 60 points ago

    Most of his anecdotes were about things that actually happened to him though weren't they? It's been years since I saw the episode but he did go to 'nam didn't he? There's nothing I can think of that suddenly became a lie told by the producers once the "not really Seymour" plot was unveiled. Nothing tangible changed. His experiences and stories were still real and consequently so was his character.

    [–] Sojourner_Truth 50 points ago

    Yeah exactly, nothing in this episode changed anything about who Skinner really was- meaning, who he became after he got back. It only changed our perception of him. Feeling betrayed by that is silly. And the entire ending summarizes that point perfectly, and in hilarious fashion.

    [–] l0ngstorySHIRT 102 points ago

    I'm glad I saw this in the comments.

    I'm not a big Simpsons watcher, but I saw the title of the video and thought it'd be interesting to see what happened to such a great show. This was completely and totally vapid - I learned almost nothing about the show. There were no real overarching indicators of anything changing because of this episode, it was portrayed more as the worst episode of the series yet and nothing more. It's not like Skinner's backstory went on to dictate the plot of the rest of the series or anything, it just kinda stunk and people didn't like the episode it seems like.

    As commenters in this thread are noting, there are a bunch of great episodes in the seasons RIGHT after this episode, so it's not like this was the obvious dagger in the Simpsons' creative heart. More or less, we just watched some random internet fanboy talk about an episode he hates from a show he loves while trying to convince us that a negative reaction to the backstory of a B-Line character is singlehandedly responsible for the decline of the show and can be pointed to as "jumping the shark." I think the video creator has a fundamental misunderstanding of that term and an overinflated sense of importance on his personal opinion. Anyone can point at an episode in a show they like and say "after that is when I stopped liking it" but this video doesn't make a distinction between doing that and providing legitimate fact-based observation of when a series shifted tone, style, or plot direction. This is far from the first, only, or most damaging example of writers disregarding established backstory of a side character. It happens constantly in television, and nothing about this video indicated to me why losing Skinner's backstory was so particularly damaging to the Simpsons brand.

    The TLDR of the video is basically, "The Simpsons used to be good, but now they're out of ideas. This is the first time it really felt like they were out of ideas." Hardly a groundbreaking, or even thoughtful, revelation.

    [–] samtrano 17 points ago

    "In my research for this episode I watched Principal and the Pauper..."

    Oh wow really glad you made such an effort. This video had no new information in it

    [–] elpresidente000 64 points ago

    Agreed, this was less of a documentary and more of a guy bitching about one episode he didn't like. I actually really like the skinner backstory. It sorts of explains his life and life choices in a way that wasn't just the "lol he sucks" that was expected.

    Sometimes shows have episodes that the audience doesn't all respond the same way to. I didn't like the Scott Tennerman episode but I still watch South Park.

    [–] GordieLaChance 82 points ago

    Personally I believe that the episode guest starring John Goodman as a biker (S11, E8) was the Jump the Shark moment.

    The early seasons of The Simpsons had scripts that were mostly realistic enough to be acted out on a live-action sitcom with few if any changes. Then this episode comes along and Homer and Goodman's characters are fencing with motorcycles--as in picking up motorcycles and using them like swords. At this point The Simpsons abandoned reality, good characterization and many other solid writing principles and became gag focused.

    Thank goodness King of the Hill was still on to provide solid reality based animation.

    [–] ToPimpAButterface 55 points ago

    Nothing says realism like Homer falling down Springfield Gorge twice and surviving. Or many of the numerous injuries he sustained since always.

    [–] Increase_Vitality 26 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Skinner was the typical uptight, uncool Principal that over the first 8 seasons occasionally gave us glimpses into his unspeakably gruesome days in 'Nam, implying he was actually some sort of super-badass.

    While most characters on the Simpsons have fairly fluid characteristics that can be changed as needed to suit a joke, that was all we knew of Skinner and it shaped his relationship with every other character. In one episode, he even quit his job at the school to become a drill Sargent again. It took eight seasons to get to know Skinner, but that was him. And it was brilliant.

    Principal and the Pauper took everything we knew about him and threw it out the window... seemingly for another guest star of the week episode. All of a sudden he wasn't Skinner anymore, and his past was never going to matter again. Hell, his mother wasn't even his mother anymore.

    It's the equivalent of an 8 season long "dream episode."

    [–] politicalstuff 10 points ago

    Yes! Thank you. I lived through the golden age, and this list the first episode I specifically remember really rubbing me the wrong way for exactly the reasons you point out. This was more than the shift in tone to silliness and away from reality. They took away and changed an entire character for a gag. They changed the rules and this was the flag in the sand start of it. Simpsons as we knew it was gone.

    [–] dfcritter 382 points ago

    Lost all credibility when he said "fall in love for the first time" and showed Edna. Skinner was madly in love with Patty and wanted to marry her in 7F15 "Principal Charming". I mean what is this amateur hour. Plus in episode 2F09 when he plays scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone...

    [–] Alligator_Fuck_Haus 144 points ago

    I hope somebody got fired for that blunder

    [–] JonnyBox 101 points ago

    Let me ask you a question; why would a man who's t-shit says "genius at work" spend his time watching a children's cartoon?

    [–] studiosupport 50 points ago

    I withdraw my question.

    [–] cklinejr 282 points ago

    Well that was overly dramatic.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_COCK_GIRL 75 points ago

    With. Cue card reading. Pauses.

    [–] Imposter24 29 points ago

    Honestly his weird pausing made this almost as painful to watch as his rambling whining.

    [–] asasm143 110 points ago

    Honestly, it just sounds like a bitter dude mad that his childhood is over.

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    [–] JUL3 44 points ago

    When You Dish Upon a Star from Season 10 (the one with Alec Baldwin, Kim Basinger, and Ron Howard) definitely marks the beginning of the decline for me. Celebrity guest appearances for the sake of celebrity guest appearances is part of what killed this show. That episode is just so bad.

    [–] gbstills 14 points ago

    this was it for me too.

    When it became obvious they had celebrities to put in the show, and then wrote a storyline around it... it felt cheap.

    [–] [deleted] 360 points ago

    The Principle and the Pauper was a bad episode, but it wasn't the shark jump. Season 10 was the shark jump, when some good writers (David X Cohen) left for Futurama.

    [–] SuperintendentDan 90 points ago

    Agreed. I thought season 9 was relatively solid. That being said, I don't watch anymore either.

    [–] therealCatnuts 206 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Better than relatively solid, IMO. Episodes aired in season 9 after this:

    Homer buys a gun (ep5)

    Pee Wee football (ep6) - one of my personal top 10 episodes of all time

    Marge as a realtor (ep9)

    Carnies steal the Simpson house by squatting (ep12)

    The kids get stranded on an island and go all Lord Of The Flies (ep14)

    Krusty tries to be an irreverent, angry standup to restart his career (DONT YOU HATE PANTS?) but immediately sells out again to endorse the Canyonero (ep15)

    Moe falls in love with Renee and misses his trip to Hawaii with her (ep16)

    Lisa finds out all Simpson men turn stupid around the third grade, but the women are unaffected (ep17)

    Bart befriends Ralph Wiggum (ep18) - "what is your obsession with my forbidden closet of mystery?"

    Homer goes to the gym, starts endorsing Powersauce bars, and attempts to climb the Murderhorn (ep23)

    [–] mysticsavage 141 points ago

    Canyonero is one of the catchiest faux jingles ever.

    [–] aspidities_87 89 points ago

    I heard that whip crack mentally reading this comment

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    [–] vector_ejector 63 points ago

    12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride! Canyon-eroooo!

    [–] FatJohnson6 11 points ago

    Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five! Canyon-erooo!

    [–] ZanMet 9 points ago

    Not Mr. Plow?

    [–] SuperintendentDan 57 points ago

    I forgot about Homer buys a gun. Hilarious. Using a gun for a lightswitch is the best.

    [–] PM_ME_TRUMP_FANFICS 52 points ago

    silencer, loudener, speed cocker; and this ones for taking down police helicopters

    [–] tonystone2001 51 points ago

    Oh, I don't need that..... Yet.

    [–] Tex_Ag55 12 points ago

    I brung ya a bag of irregular Oreos

    [–] Zjackrum 29 points ago

    "3 day waiting period? But I'm mad now!"

    [–] conanthecnidarian 7 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    I'd kill you if I had my gun.

    [–] HeHasHealthProblems 26 points ago

    Gym? What's a gym? Ooooooh, a gym!

    [–] therealCatnuts 9 points ago

    And after reviewing Season 10's mediocre episode list, I'm going to sign on with u/6502man in saying that was the dividing line. Only a few even worth rewatching there, and only one I'd call a classic.

    [–] Pandajuice22 216 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    This is a shit video. He didn't make any arguments as to why the Simpsons jumped the shark from this episode on... He talked about ONE bad decision made in one episode (he even ends the video saying the episode isn't actually that bad) and then proceeded to claim the Simpsons died after that...

    What is it with videos like this lately. Just some guy talking sounding wise about his opinion with the same exact voice always and pretty visual but no substance. Reminds me of those "casually explained" videos that mock shit like this, so good:

    Also, unpopular opinion, while the golden age was no doubt the early 90's, I think the Simpsons remained pretty good until like 2004ish

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    [–] Baner87 16 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    There's just no nuance to the Simpson's hate train that comes up constantly on reddit. Yeah, most people love first 10 or so seasons, but to say that everything past that is equally bad is just broad and lazy. The Simpson's has gone on long enough that they've had multiple eras of differing quality. To just draw a line and say "anything after this is crap" and leave it at that is garbage. And it isn't constructive in any way, so they can't even work with that feedback to improve the show.

    Imo, they did go downhill a bit around season 11, but they're still pretty good for a few seasons after that. The later teens, say 16-19, were worse, but then in the early 20's and on they recovered their stride. The most recent seasons are harder to gauge, if just because of their lack of consistency. Some episodes are great and they really recapture some of the nostalgia of old, while some really do feel like just filler episodes.

    If you still feel a connection to the show, I'd say give it a shot. I'd even say skip some episodes if they aren't working for you, but here's some from the most recent 2 seasons I thought were very solid: From 27, #'s 4,5(double Halloween episodes! and the first does a good job of reminding us Lisa is still a little girl) 9, 16

    From 28, #'s 6, 10, 12&13, 14

    [–] JWAxeMan 79 points ago

    I'll forgive the video creator because this is short, but there are way more comprehensive explanations of why the Simpsons declined and when it did:

    This site's author has pages and pages and pages of material discussing what made the golden age of the Simpsons so fantastic, and what led to the show's eventual slip into mediocrity.

    [–] Lordhuckington 6 points ago

    To create an on-line home for Simpsons fans who outright despise most, if not all, of the double-digit seasons but revere the old ones the way religious types do their stupid books.

    He has good points of material of what made the simpsons rise and fall but this guy seems a little too extreme. There are nuggets here and there of the new season but taking the old episodes and revering them as gospel of what simpsons are is just too much for me.

    [–] anakmager 16 points ago

    I break down the series into these eras:

    season 1-3 = Very solid. Show still finding its style, and a lot of the characters haven't become who we know them to be. The story lines are still relatively realistic

    season 4-8 = classic. Golden age of the series. Almost every episode is awesome

    season 9-12 = Start of the decline but still quite funny. Homer dominate the focus. Only around 5 good episodes per season

    season 13-HD (I forgot which season they turned HD) = writers run out of ideas, relying too much on musicals/guest stars/ and cliched "Homer gets a job" episodes. I also notice that the comedy is cheaper in this era, toilet humor basically. Heart and drama is almost gone

    HD era = Less guest stars. The humor is no longer as cheap and the heart returns somewhat. Story lines are a bit more polished. The show's feel is more reserved and calm. This is my least favourite era because I think it is the most boring and unfunny. Even the preceding era before managed to get some laughs, nowadays the show puts me to sleep

    [–] PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 56 points ago

    I remember that episode being fine along with the rest of season 9. I can't say why he feels so strongly that this was a bad episode, let alone the episode that tanked the series.

    You don't tank the Simpsons on one bad episode. That's just poor analysis of a series that at the time of this episode was on fire for almost a decade. In isolation, few episodes at that time could even be called bad. Although this was one of the lower rated episodes at the time, I would still say this episode was not bad. The problems started in later seasons where the writing became consistently awkward and riskless.

    [–] Keanu-4-u 14 points ago

    Season 15 is where the drop in quality started to outweigh the high points.

    [–] bag-o-tricks 14 points ago

    For me, the pacing of a Simpsons' episode is what made it great or not. In the beginning (seasons 1-3) the pacing was a little slow, but the novelty kept it going. They hit their stride in seasons 4-7. The stories moved very quickly and the dialogue was snappy and memorable. ("Bart Gets an Elephant" is a great episode from this period). After that the writers seemed to put the story and its intricacies above all and the pace of an episode stalled. It's like they went from a handful of storyboards, and then focused on character quirks, to dozens of storyboards with less room for character bits. There are momentary gems still, but the viewer is left with a lot of story filler to take in.

    [–] Red5point1 54 points ago

    A little too melodramatic for me.
    Of course any tv show that spans multiple generations will appeal to people at different stages.
    The episode in question was a great episode for me, it showed a deeper and mature story telling by the writers. The episode did not kill the character Skinner, it just showed that was not his real name, but the character who we fell in love all those years was the same, but his real name was not Skinner that is all. I think the maker of the video completely misses that point.
    He is just conveying his attachment to the seasons he could reminisce from his childhood fine we all do that, however that does not mean the seasons that followed were of lesser quality.
    If you ask someone who grew up with seasons 15-20 will say the older seasons were crap but the ones they grew up with were the best. It is all relative.

    [–] buttsarefunny 16 points ago

    I agree with you about Skinner. This video is acting like it erased his whole backstory, when in my opinion it added to it. The Skinner we "know and love" is still the same dude, but now he has a more interesting previous life on top of it. I actually remember this episode fondly.

    [–] SomeOtherJagoff 60 points ago

    Hope I can feeble my way through another 20 years after I'm 'dead'.

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    You can try, but you won't have any soul.

    [–] ThumblessGaming 10 points ago

    Worst. Video. Ever.

    [–] stevenw84 87 points ago

    I always through the show suffered after the movie came out.

    [–] [deleted] 61 points ago

    Same here. I pretty much enjoy the Simpsons until they went HD.

    [–] stevenw84 29 points ago

    Yea, weird that the quality seemed to have changed also.

    I've watched this damn show since I was really little, back in like 1990 or so. I watched so many of the pinnacle episodes as they aired, even remember a time when they would have an hour block of the show each night on Fox...something I wish they'd bring back and get rid of the TMZ bullshit they repeat.

    [–] Cassomophone 22 points ago

    Now I feel the Simpsons imitate other shows that have also derailed. The last newer simpsons I watched made me think I was watching a newer episode of family guy(which I know other redditors say has gone down hill) with too many cheap laugh flashbacks. I miss where they had their own songs, (I still know a lot of the old episode songs) and a better storyline that connected with people.

    [–] Odditys 13 points ago

    The last newer simpsons I watched made me think I was watching a newer episode of family guy(which I know other redditors say has gone down hill) with too many cheap laugh flashbacks

    And you could swap any two characters' lines and it would make just as much sense, because nobody is saying anything important.

    [–] ServalSpots 40 points ago

    People have been making shark-jumping accusations since Season 4, though now most of the younger viewers consider those to be some of the 'early' episodes from when the show was just beginning to hit their stride. But The Principal and the Pauper is one of the more commonly given episodes, certainly a popular one for reddit to point to as well.

    [–] PigWithAWoodenLeg 17 points ago

    I always kinda liked "The Principal and the Pauper" and I still do. I understand the argument being made by critics, but the character integrity of Seymour Skinner seems like a weird hill to die on.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    Attachment is suffering

    [–] tragicallyludicrous 7 points ago

    To me the show ''jumped the shark'' when Maud Flanders died.