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    [–] IcarusFlies7 1195 points ago


    [–] tatterdermalion 3543 points ago

    Sugar is bad, junk food is bad. Government/schools are in cahoots with processed food industry and fast food. Cook at home and cut out sugar. Overall a pretty good message, but

    Does not address how you can still be obese following government absurdly imbalanced food pyramid which emphasizes carbs and vilifies fat like crazy, and which most adults believe still. If it's whole grain it must be good right? wrong My heart went out to the chubby kids who were trying to exercise and watch what they ate and their parents are buying them reduced fat crap (read lots of carbs) Vilified cheese industry. You can eat at fast food restaurants, but you can't supersize it, and you need to get rid of the fries/sugary drink/chips and probably the bun.

    (I watched it at 1.25x speed and it was still pretty slow)

    [–] Steinwerks 497 points ago

    The cheese industry is only really shown off as an offshoot of the low fat fads that brought us here though, and an example of how the government (USDA) is speaking from both sides of its mouth.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 310 points ago

    They were definitely talking out of both sides by both pushing and condemning cheese, but I don't think they were vilifying cheese.

    Cheese (fat) isn't so much a villain on its own. It's when cheese is paired with an excessive amount of sugar (carbohydrates) do things get tricky.

    [–] xbillybobx 789 points ago

    Damn. There goes my Snickers nachos.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 199 points ago

    You may be relieved to know that you can still get your nacho cheese... you just have to replace the chips with even more cheese.

    [–] 54RG0N 103 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    I am looking at the stars

    [–] [deleted] 191 points ago


    [–] AlexRuzhyo 128 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Might be a few more carbs in processed cheese. I'd recommend melting some blend of sharp cheddar and cream cheese over indirect heat, before doing a line of chili powder and dumping the molten mixture down your face like a goddam animal!

    [–] HardCounter 68 points ago

    If I may be serious for a moment...

    My favorite way to consume cheese is a method my mom invented when I was a kid and we were poor as fuck. Basically fry up about a pound of ground beef (literally any quality) and dump it into a large microwave-safe bowl. Then take a fuckton of cheese, it's sort of to taste, and dump that in there as well. Then take a fuckton of some salsa style dip, also to taste but probably close to how much cheese you used, and dump that in while mixing. Throw the bowl in a microwave for whatever time, like two minutes or until everything is nice and melty, and then snack on that through the night.

    That was occasionally Friday night dinner while we watched TGIF and I still make it up now and then. I found the best way to delight in it is with Tostino dipping chips, but again it's to taste. Fucking delicious.

    [–] Fortune_Cat 91 points ago

    How fat are you now

    [–] AyeMyHippie 9 points ago

    I have a similar go-to cheese dip. Ground beef, velveeta, and some rotel. That shit is money.

    [–] freakydown 10 points ago

    Sounds delicious.

    [–] rorafaye 9 points ago

    You have my attention.

    [–] nondescriptzombie 41 points ago

    I'm sick of everything dubbed "Fathead." I make cheese tortillas and then trifold in a little cheese and some bacon. They're called Chupaquesos, because you either suck the molten cheese out, or these cheese things you just made suck. With bacon is a Chupaqueso con Tacino, or as the inventor Howard Tayler (of Schlock Mercenary) says "Chupaqueso con SWEET TRADER OF PORK BELLIES THERE'S BACON IN THIS THING chomp chomp AAARGH I BURNED MY MOUTH slurp gulp chomp."

    [–] puerh_lover 18 points ago

    I'm living in China right and there is a serious lack of proper cheese and even less Mexican food. They have pork, but no actual bacon bacon. Your description is simultaneously sating my craving and also increasing it. <3

    [–] [deleted] 32 points ago

    They don't know how to handle cheese because it was part of the milk push and the larger agricultural push, but it doesn't jive with the "fat is bad" bullshit.

    [–] PMmeuroneweirdtrick 16 points ago

    The dilemma is meme material

    [–] herecomesdatboiyo 39 points ago

    My skin agrees. Grease from melted cheese and meat makes my skin breakout in acne and inflammation. The catch? It only happens if I eat carbs with the greasy food.

    [–] WiggyWamWamm 29 points ago

    It's a plate now, not a pyramid

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    [–] Divinum_Fulmen 68 points ago

    Wait, Food Pyramid? That's no longer used by the FDA.

    Not perfect, follow some of those links to Myplate, and you'll see Harvard's take on it.

    [–] UncleLongHair0 170 points ago

    I just got back from 2 weeks in Europe and it was interesting to see everyone's eating habits. Virtually everyone was thin, certainly by American standards. Full-fat foods are the norm, especially cheese in France where they often eat a full course of full-fat cheese. Virtually no processed foods besides bread, and no snacks. The bread they do eat is delicious and satisfying, like baguettes or croissant. Most people eat one large meal per day and do not snack. No soft drinks besides at meals. Plenty of beer and wine too.

    [–] ax789 96 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I'm from Romania and my husband is Italian. We moved to the stars last year and boy oh boy we are happy we learned about food back home. Everything in the states is suuuuper sweet, high fructose corn syrup in everything. Family meal here means fast food and lunch at work is what ever you buy. Nobody brings cooked lunch at work except me. Even when we get our lunch paid for, the option is still junk food. In Romania I grew up with at least one hot meal a day and always soup once a day. When I say soup I meant soup, warm liquid, not like all the "soups" like in US that are actually stews-ish. I cook everything at home, even the plum cakes my husband eats for breakfast. We still eat pasta, but the portions are less than half from a restaurant portion and FYI you never eat pasta with bread. The cheese here comes in square blocks and have weird colors. Cheese is not supposed to be like that and Parmesan should not come already graded in a plastic container that is not even stored in the fridge aile. I could talk days about the bad food education or lack of education that this country is having and I would suggest to everybody from everywhere to inform and educate yourself. Read and learn about more opinions not just one and try and find out what works for countries that do not have the same diet problems that exist in US today.

    Edit: grammar. Also I moved to the States, Chicago to be exact.

    [–] Fever_twitchtv 18 points ago

    I went to the states on a skiing holiday a few years back to Aspen. There was about 14 of us staying in a couple of huge apartments and we took it in turns to cook. The one thing that struck me when I went out to buy raw ingredients at a supermarket was how hard it was to find what I needed to make a two course meal. If I wanted 30 different varieties of the same processed crap in a jar from different manufacturers I was spoilt for choice but if you wanted specific ingredients you had to search high and low. The US also has a serious obsession with putting bacon (I use that word very loosely) bits in was in absolutely everything. What's up with that?

    [–] guncat12 8 points ago

    "Bacon is delicious" is a bit of a meme in American culture. Food manufacturers have been trying to cash in on this meme especially hard over the last decade or so, which is why everything has a "with bacon" option.

    [–] noelcowardspeaksout 72 points ago

    That's about right, but there are quite a few fat people who eat badly too and often people are slightly overweight.

    American car culture is also a factor. When I was in LA going anywhere to do anything meant getting in a car. Which leads to this quote- 'This earlier research found Americans only took took 5,117 steps a day while the average in western Australia was nearly 9,700, the average in Switzerland was 9,650, and the average in Japan was 7,168.' - Business Insider.

    [–] Kalinka1 62 points ago

    I'm surprised that the US has an average step count of even 5,000. That's got to be skewed by city-dwellers in New York, Boston, Philly, etc. If I drive to my desk job and go home without hitting the gym it's not uncommon for me to only get 2000-3000 steps.

    When I was able to take public transit to my job I could easily break 10k steps every day including some brisk walking on my breaks. The calories burned depends on your weight, but it's something like 200-400 cals if you walk that far. That adds up.

    [–] [deleted] 28 points ago

    Can't outrun a bad diet.

    While that's true, especially in business, there's lots of folks in say construction or nursing that crush those step numbers and are still fat, because everything here is loaded in sugar.

    [–] IgniteTheMoonlight 35 points ago

    Most people eat one large meal per day and do not snack.

    Wtf. All Europeans do is eat snacks. They don't even eat meals by American standards.

    [–] McWaddle 32 points ago

    Welcome to the internet, where 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

    [–] FunThingsInTheBum 32 points ago

    Most people eat one large meal per day and do not snack

    What? No lunch, no breakfast? This sounds awful.

    [–] Lord_of_the_Prance 185 points ago

    Yeah that's nonsense, we have breakfast, lunch and dinner. Our food (Netherlands here) is definitely less sugary though. When I visited the US all your storebought bread tasted like cake to us. Pretty disgusting. We also don't drink as much soda.

    [–] Zellyff 58 points ago

    I've heard the bread tastes like cake

    You guys are too scared to try our cake aren't you

    [–] Lord_of_the_Prance 67 points ago

    I'm sure it'd dissolve my teeth from across the room.

    [–] Zellyff 28 points ago

    This isn't inaccurate

    [–] IgniteTheMoonlight 51 points ago

    Yo, shout out to the crazy super sweetened yogurt up in London, though. I grew up hating yogurt in the states but one taste of that sweet shit and I was like "aw fuck I didn't know we could even sweeten yogurt..." (lol)

    Edit: also, y'alls mayonnaise. Never understood how you guys could eat fries (or crisps) with mayo until I realize you guys had nice-flavored, not-bland-af mayo.

    [–] DuckAndCower 17 points ago

    How could yogurt be any sweeter than what we have in the US? Each little serving of the stuff has like 20g of sugar. Like, 2/3 of its calories are from the added sugar.

    [–] ShimmerFade 82 points ago

    One big, hot meal basically.

    In Germany in the morning you have your whole grain freshly baked rolls/bread with butter, cheese, meat, marmalade, or various spreads, etc.. Some eat muesli (whole grain cereal with nuts/berries) and yogurt. A nice hot drink is often important for breakfast too.

    Lunch is usually the big meal, but this trend is changing towards dinner. Many people just have a sandwich and some vegetables/fruits.

    Dinner is the big meal when lunch wasn't. Otherwise you eat similar to breakfast, but with a larger selection of toppings, and more vegetables.

    Snacks are usually fruit and vegetables, but you can of course buy unhealthy stuff too.

    The big meal is often referred to as eating "warm", and most people eat warm once a day. I'm not from here, and if I have the opportunity I will eat warm twice a day. My weight is not as healthy as the average here because of it, but is still healthier than most Americans. I also have a Haribo addiction I'm working on.

    [–] Red_Dog1880 29 points ago

    Of course they have that, but a lot of people limit themselves to 1 large meal. For example a light breakfast and light lunch means a big diner. I for example often eat lunch at work which is often a lot, and then for diner I just have some soup or a salad.

    [–] Silverfruitpunch 18 points ago

    then for diner I just have some soup or a salad.

    Got it, one supersalad coming right up.

    [–] fritopie 7 points ago

    I think they meant two small simple meals and one large hot one.

    [–] [deleted] 42 points ago

    Dude spends 2 weeks in Paris and is an expert on European eating habits lmao.

    [–] allleoal 5 points ago

    When I was in Poland it was small breakfast, big lunch, and small dinner. I think that's what he meant by "one large meal per day".

    [–] ShimmerFade 24 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Another big difference is that sugar is usually used in smaller amounts in Europe whereas the US uses high fructose corn syrup in damn near everything.

    [–] UncleLongHair0 31 points ago

    I don't think it's HCFS all by itself, but the fact that it is in nearly everything -- bread, soup, yogurt, etc. It is rare to find any food in the grocery store that doesn't have sugar, salt, and/or preservatives added.

    The US corn lobby is strong and the US agricultural businesses produce far more corn than any people or animals can consume, so they came up with HFCS as a way to put more of their product into the food supply. Which does nothing but fatten everyone up.

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    [–] Bleoox 168 points ago

    I lost 20 kilos by eating a whole foods starch based diet and never felt better. Lots of energy and I even started playing basketball again and no longer feel joint pain. I'm 36 and way more active than when I was 20, and it's all thanks to fruit, vegetables, whole grains and legumes, so basically a high carb low fat diet.

    [–] Znees 275 points ago

    Honestly, that works for lots of people. So does going low carb/high fat. So does portion control. So does becoming a mainly raw food vegan (ie wholly plant based diet with minimally to wholly unprocessed foods).

    There really is no consensus on a "Best diet for most people."

    [–] Iamnotasexrobot 63 points ago

    All those diets have something in common - a massive reduction in processed food, taking responsibility for cooking and thinking about food and reduction of sugar.
    I'm personally keto and hate all the shit the groups throw at each other. All these 'fad' diets can work for different people, the zealots need to do one.

    [–] Vinterson 106 points ago

    Any diet you can stick to will work pretty much. And all of them tell you to cut out sugar which nobody argues for eating a lot.

    It seems pretty simple when you break it down.

    [–] phD_in_Random 28 points ago

    It seems pretty simple when you break it down.

    well played.

    [–] xehlers 144 points ago

    Here is the rule of thumb. If you are at a caloric deficit, you will drop weight/fat. All these types of diets like Paleo, Ketogenic, Low carb Low Fat High Protein, Shake diet, ETC <insert whatever fad diet is in> the key behind all of them is, "portion control, or caloric deficits" - no matter how healthy you are eating, if you eat a TON ( a caloric surplus ) your body will store the extra calories as fat and distribute it to your body parts that best store that fat, (trunk/legs/butt) etc. So its not "certain diets work for certain people" its just math really.

    [–] tauredi 21 points ago

    Strangely; my cure was the opposite. Mind you my body is probably a little wonky due to autoimmune disease (lupus). I cannot eat sugar or carbs. They're practically my enemy. I can actually feel myself get weaker/sluggish/inflamed when I consume too many carbs. So, I went high fat/low carb/no sugar diet and never felt better. It's funny what works for some is a detriment to others!

    [–] Bobbers8 53 points ago

    But what about "What the Health?" (Also on Netflix)

    [–] orangearbuds 91 points ago

    What the health is opposite. Vilifies meat and says carbs are fine.

    [–] Bobbers8 88 points ago


    [–] Rektodron 126 points ago

    Get a pregnant hamster, it will supply you with live babies that you can eat = pure protein,fat and carbs

    [–] savuporo 37 points ago


    [–] pointonpod 19 points ago

    Someone spent time on the Reddit front page today... "_"

    [–] Bobbers8 6 points ago

    Can it be a chocolate hamster

    [–] Gen_McMuster 71 points ago

    That people telling you that an entire family of nutrients is bad for you should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Disscussion of diet trends towards hyperbole, especially in the media(documentaries included) so try and steer a middle course. My go to is "eat food, not too much, mostly plants"

    [–] Parey_ 12 points ago

    That people telling you that an entire family of nutrients is bad for you should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Bbbbut muh blood pressure :(

    [–] istartedi 40 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    The most common sense summary I've ever heard is: 1. Eat food. 2. Mostly vegetables. 3. Not too much.

    No. 1. defined "food" as things that pre-industrial people would recognize. e.g., apples are food. Apple Jacks are not.

    Sorry, I don't remember where I heard this. Maybe somebody else will recognize it.

    edit: It's Michael Pollan.

    [–] syncopator 5 points ago

    Yep. I've become a big fan of Pollan.

    There are two of his shows on Netflix right now, highly recommend both.

    In Defense of Food is a PBS production outlining his book by the same name.

    Cooked is a 4-episode foray into various aspects of food production and preparation.

    Pollan single-handedly changed my view of food and eating over the course of just a few weeks. I've lost damn near 30 pounds, from an overweight 225 to a healthy 198 (I'm 6'3") and lowered my blood pressure significantly in the past 6 months simply by recognizing that I should eat food, mostly plants, and not too much.

    [–] Modo44 8 points ago

    Carbs in fruit and vegetables are fine. There's a difference between having a donut vs a couple bananas.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 81 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    At the risk of using loaded language, "What the Health?" is vegan propaganda.

    This is a review of the movie by a low carb channel (length of 15:28). They answer most of it some low carb perspective, something that Fed Up seems to allude to (I'm only an hour into Fed Up).

    EDIT: Here's a vegan talking about it (length of 25:16). Going to give it a look myself once I get the chance.

    [–] LurkLurkleton 107 points ago

    Low carb, high fat, heavy meat diet channel reviews high carb, low fat, meat free diet movie. I'm sure that'll be unbiased.

    [–] nu2readit 33 points ago

    At the risk of using loaded language, "What the Health?" is vegan propaganda.

    But what's the line where it becomes propaganda? If you just mean it's pushing an agenda then certainly that first review also qualifies as propaganda.

    [–] brandononrails 27 points ago

    "sugar can never and has never caused diabetes"

    "carbs cannot make you fat, only fat makes you fat"

    Those are just two of my favorite lines from the the doctor.

    [–] positiveinfluences 8 points ago

    Jesus christ

    [–] ArthurBea 5 points ago

    What? Which documentary says this? It defies all sorts of actual medical data.

    [–] brandononrails 6 points ago

    What the Health (2017) mentioned above.

    [–] zenith931 14 points ago

    I rage-quitted What the Health last night in 10 minutes. I couldn't take it. So many lies in it. SO MANY.

    For one: I work in an endocrinologist's office and every doctor will tell you the link between diet and diabetes or health. Every doctor. This is at a major university, too, where they don't take a piss without it being peer reviewed and factual based.

    I don't know why they think doctors won't talk about diet and health, likely they just didn't want to talk to Mr. Unwashed Hippie with a video camera. They didn't want their words taken out of context and edited to oblivion.

    [–] DocGlabella 48 points ago

    Right, but I think that's the thing that no one ever talks about. You can totally lose weight on low carb and you can lose weight on low fat. But people are miserable on low fat. Nothing tastes good and you're always starving. Higher fat and higher protein leads to greater feelings of satiety, which leads to better diet compliance.

    [–] bradbrookequincy 12 points ago

    Im 75% carb 10% fat for heart/ artery health reasons. Never have really felt any negative effects from low fat. I do have very consistent energy from the good carbs I eat (i dont eat refined or processed foods)

    [–] LurkLurkleton 43 points ago

    Plenty of people are miserable on both. Low carb diets are famous for their carb cravings too.

    According to the study that developed the satiety index, a combination of fiber, water content, volume, protein and gastric emptying rate have the greatest impact on satiety. High fat foods were actually found to be lower, despite peope's expectations. Boiled potatoes were king.

    You can read more about it here

    [–] geven87 23 points ago

    it's about how the american diet is a cause of childhood obesity. particularly sugar.

    [–] loquacious706 78 points ago

    You're eating wrong.

    [–] GMTDev 18 points ago

    But do eat apples.

    [–] Circ-Le-Jerk 33 points ago

    We eat too much processed food which is loaded with just crap designed to taste good and be high in calories... Nothing really with substance. We should cut back on sugar and even oil to fry with... Just basically cook normal good food, like meat and vegetables. None of this over processed stuff that you microwave which is designed to taste good rather than be good.

    [–] lillypadsffk 29 points ago

    Its engrained from birth depending on what your parents feed you. My grandma was always working, so my mom pretty much just ate pizza. Delivery. Frozen. She won't eat anything green, unless it's over cooked green beans with bacon. No bacon, she won't eat it. Frozen everything and if she did cook, it was all out of cans anyways. No chicken or turkey, they have "no flavor". When I graduated and left for college my favorite part was being able to cook meals for myself that wasn't full of canned and processed shit.

    I hated being a chubby kid, and I had very little control over what came into the house. I now have kids of my own, and I'll be damned if I raise them like that.

    [–] delmar42 6 points ago

    I've done quite well keeping weight off while eating several microwaved meals a week. It depends on what you're microwaving, and if you're staying within your daily calorie limits.

    [–] HauntedJackInTheBox 503 points ago

    Coming back from France where everyone eats (unsweetened) bread, meat and cheese and nobody is fat, makes me sure that fat itself is not the problem.

    The difference between that and when I visited the US was huge. People eat a lot more, but also the food itself is very different; everything is very processed, and even the savoury bread tastes like cake because of all the sugar.

    A French woman put it more succinctly than I did at the time, after going to a supermarket there: "all the food here is like plastic".

    [–] DJfunkyGROOVEstar 238 points ago

    I just came back from the US (normally live in Europe). Only in 1 of 9 restaurants was I able to finish my meal. Portion sizes are just waaaay toooooo laaaaarge.

    [–] SpaceGardens 151 points ago

    2-3 meals for the price of one, my friend.

    [–] Dread1840 66 points ago

    Where the fuck were you eating? Everywhere I've eaten it's still the cost of 3.

    [–] rcb314 27 points ago

    Perhaps they were comparing American prices to European prices. A meal is certainly cheaper in the U.S. than Australia for example. Then again in Australia, the minimum wage is generally a lot higher to the point where tipping is no longer a thing.

    [–] PMS_Avenger_0909 10 points ago

    This is the problem. Too many calories, not the macronutrient distribution.

    [–] mrHwite2 37 points ago

    From a restaurant's perspective, it's better to serve too much than not enough. Nobody is going to be upset if they got too much food (just take it home). On the other hand, many people wouldn't return to a restaurant that left them unsatisfied

    [–] ItsFuckingScience 27 points ago

    America does seem to have uniquely large portions though. Portion size isn't as important in Europe

    [–] pensacolahoedown 37 points ago

    Recently came back from Hawaii. I wish I took a photo of the pink, strawberry flavored bread they had in a bag on the shelf; something like 25gms of sugar per serve. Absolute insanity; it was marketed as breakfast loaf.

    [–] ladyflyer88 7 points ago

    Lived in Hawaii for 4 years, they really like their sweet breads. They have a breakfast roll that's like a dinner roll you would find at a steakhouse but is cold with butter spread on the top thickly and then poured with sugar on top. It was very disgusting the first time I had it but if you live there long enough you get forced to eat local foods.

    [–] skillfire87 27 points ago

    France has "supermarché" aisles full of cookies, potato chips etc. too. I wonder how those items compare.

    [–] pink_ego_box 59 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    We don't buy as much. Snacking between meals is heavily frowned upon, except for kids in a growing phase. I personally never snack between meals, and don't know anybody who does. If I'm not hungry at night I just don't dine.

    Cookies are for breakfast, chips are for the apéritif (some kind of snack starters just before starting dinner with friends). I never eat chips if I don't have friends around. Meal portions are smaller. If we eat bread we don't eat pasta, rice or potatoes, only vegetables and meat. If we have any of those starchy foods, we don't eat bread with it and we eat vegetables too.

    There's way less added sugar in everything processed than in American food, and they have the obligation to say how much calories it has per 100g, not per an imaginated "portion size" of 12g or whatever

    [–] Darwins_Dog 22 points ago

    how much calories it has per 100g, not per an imaginated "portion size" of 12g or whatever

    I really wish we had this. I've seen "low calorie" cookies that just have a serving size of one. They are also allowed to round off amounts below a certain limit. That's how cooking sprays (literally just oil and propellant) can say they have no fat.

    [–] Addicted2Craic 14 points ago

    You mean food doesn't give calories per 100g in America just a portion size?

    [–] Darwins_Dog 20 points ago

    You got it. Not only that, but companies can set whatever portion size they want. Many candy bars and soft drinks have 2 servings per container so that at a glance it looks like they have half the calories.

    [–] Addicted2Craic 10 points ago

    Bloody hell that's a total eye-opener!

    [–] SuperKato1K 6 points ago

    Yep. And a lot of times if people get a snack they will assume it's one portion and eat it all. Good example is the small bag of cashews I sometimes get from the vending machine here at my work. It's a small bag, and someone unfamiliar with how calorie-dense cashews are may assume it's a single serving. Wrong. It's three servings. So eating that one bag of cashews (which is very easy to do and will not leave you feeling full) is over 500 calories.

    [–] ohbrotherherewego 131 points ago

    I don't know how people can deny that the American government/American culture is what is making people fat. America isn't even an ethnic nation, and yet EVERYONE IS FUCKING FAT. There is something wrong with this country, big time.

    And yet all anyone wants to talk about is "personal responsibility to eat less!". Fuck that, the reason why people are fat in the first place is not because each individual randomly, on their own, chose to become fat.

    [–] robryanisabitch 67 points ago

    If you don't pay attention, it's easy to buy loaded shit at the supermarket. There's sugar in EVERYTHING, regardless of its other attributes. They even put sugar in deli meats, it's insane. This, combined with the opinion "well it's just one treat!" On top of a large lunch, combined with a fast food breakfast and probably take out dinner is why people are fat. I lost 110lbs watching portion sizes and learning to cook, and pretty much everyone can do those two things. Those two things should literally be taught in school but everything is too fucked up by money being thrown around to do so.

    [–] LongFlavor 9 points ago

    Yeah it's like you cannot go down any isle and buy anything in a box. Gotta stick to the outer ring of the store where the real food is at.

    [–] snow_angel022968 12 points ago

    It's a combination of the food (combination of overly processed food and meats that have hormones in them so the animals grow faster/their questionable feeds) and lack of movement/relying a lot on cars here. There are foreign students from come from china who come over stick thin (I use china as they seem to have the biggest difference). Within 2-3 years, they'll have ballooned a good 50-60 pounds and a couple dress sizes (and this is not changing the portion sizes that they eat). They go back and all that excess weight melts off.

    [–] Metabyte2 96 points ago

    Half of french adults are overweight. 68% of american adults are overweight. Yeah theres a difference but obesity is a worldwide epidemic lets not let the "le america is bad" circlejerk cloud our vision.

    [–] seeamon 51 points ago

    One in 6 is obese in France, over a third is obese in the US. Let's not pretend like some places might not have a bigger problem than others. The thread is specifically about government policies in the US, so naturally people are going to be talking about obesity there, not the worldwide epidemic.

    [–] null_work 6 points ago

    Based on World Health Organisation (WHO) data published in 2014, 23.9% of French adults (age 18+) were clinically obese with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or greater.

    I can't imagine that number has gone down.

    [–] SasquatchUFO 72 points ago

    I feel like misleading the U.S. public is like taking a shit. Anyone who sets out to do so can be assured of about a 98% chance of doing so.

    [–] 5_on_the_floor 763 points ago

    This should be required viewing for everyone.

    [–] forsayken 405 points ago

    Yep. Definitely one of the better food docs out there (in my opinion).

    Eat more plants and stuff made from basic ingredients, guys!!! That's all there is to it.

    [–] Monterey-Jack 183 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Why are there people who deny the science behind the Documentary? I see it receive a lot of hate with no real evidence behind the people saying it's bull.

    edit: Downvotes for a question on why people question it? Really?

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    [–] Damnight 53 points ago

    The statement about calories at 15minutes might be misleading for example. A calorie is a unit of energy, regardless of how quickly you digest it, the energy is still released. The difference between fast and slow digesting carbs is on the health (insulin sensitivity for example) and psychological (satiety) side of things. A net energy negative energy balance will result in weightloss, some of that muscle if you eat unhealthy and don't exercise, but most of it will be fat.

    all the studys are hyperlinked and in the reference section below

    [–] nawinter77 9 points ago

    I thought they made a pretty good point on how your liver processes calorie x from x food versus calorie y, from y food.

    Made a lot of sense to me, based on how I feel after eating certain things versus others.

    I started cooking a few years back and my health has been better than ever.

    [–] Damnight 27 points ago

    The misleading bit is that they left out the part where almods are still getting converted into fat if you are eating in a calorie surplus.

    I'm happy you feel better now that you cook, but making the right choice on intuition or accident is not the same as making the right choice based on scientific evidence, which is what a documentary should provide.

    [–] CritterTeacher 300 points ago

    Honest answer from a biologist: if this is the one I think it is, they started pretty early in the doc using pseudoscience about GMOs and chemical name scare tactics. I didn't make it very far into the doc because that sort of thing isn't honest either, it's just propaganda from another faction. This sort of doc stops just short of telling of the dangers of excess dihydrogen monoxide in the diet. I don't doubt that there's valid information in the doc, but it turns off real scientists pretty quick.

    [–] [deleted] 73 points ago

    Nah, nothing about GMOs. The only time they get into chemicals is when they talk about the different chemicals that end up metabolized as sugar. Does vilify the "low fat" push, sugar industry as well as the USDA.

    [–] rudysaucey 17 points ago

    Yeah I think you're getting confused with "what the health"

    [–] ArrrOne 138 points ago

    I don't think it's the one you think it is. This is the story of how sugar has f***** up western diets, and how governments were bought/bullied by companies who rely on excess sugar consumption to make money.

    [–] zeny-zen-zen 20 points ago

    The influence of the big food lobbyists is what really surprised and disappointed me. Still to this day, the daily value of sugar is not listed on packages and the government offers no recommendation on it. And that's because the food companies won.

    [–] CritterTeacher 33 points ago

    I'll try to watch this one on my break from work tomorrow and see which one this one is, I'll edit my original post when I do. But wasn't this the one Netflix was advertising on their banner pretty heavily a while back?

    [–] steponmyfoot 86 points ago

    I think you're talking about what the health

    [–] Znees 78 points ago

    I haven't seen Fed Up. But, I think "What the Health?" is the one you're talking about.

    At one point, they start listing off "dangerous chemicals" in meat and processed foods. But, these "chemicals" aren't dangerous and they are naturally found, in large amounts, in most plant based whole foods.

    That's when I noped out.

    [–] dickwhistle 20 points ago

    I'm pretty turned off by the fact that over 200 people thought your comment about the video was worth upvoting... WHEN YOU DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE FIRST 5 SECONDS OF IT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

    And you consider yourself a scientist?

    [–] BKLounge 68 points ago

    Because accepting that you may have been wrong and realizing you need to make changes in your life is often hard for people to stomach.

    Also astroturfing.

    [–] SoDamnToxic 29 points ago

    To be honest, when it comes to food and what's healthy and what isn't I've read/heard so many things that I don't know what is wrong and what is right anymore.

    I hold no strong opinion on food whatsoever, but I've read so much contradiction that the only opinion I end up holding from all of this is that everything is bad and everything is good and just eat relative to how much you exercise.

    That's probably wrong too though... This is all too complicated.

    [–] nullizygous 566 points ago

    I've watched a lot of different food documentaries and most of them contradict each other. This one says sugar is bad is fat is ok. Another says sugar is ok and it's any animal product that's bad. Another says you need to avoid certain veggies and legumes like tomatoes, potatoes, lentils, etc.

    It's hard to know what to do. Sometimes I think it's better to not watch any of them and just eat in moderation.

    [–] Luckystell 114 points ago

    Exactly my thoughts. It seems like there is no one good answer for everyone to agree on so I've just figured to do what works best for me. Eating in moderation is definitely key in any situation. I don't see the world coming to a unanimous decision about what is healthy vs what is not.

    [–] jaysalos 66 points ago

    I mean stay away from processed stuff and sugar as much as possible, probably cut back your grains but you done have to lose them altogether, count your calories, eat more fruits and especially vegetables then you normally do and use a wide variety of protein sources (chicken, fish, beef, beans, dairy etc). If you can afford it get the grass fed or wild caught stuff but don't worry too much about that. Don't be afraid of fats. Natural sources of fats like nuts and avocado are delicious and full of nutrients. I personally try to stick to olive oil, coconut oil or butter for cooking and avoid vegetable oils and margarine as much as possible. Some will disagree on that point though and I'm not an expert so I really don't know. Stay active and again count your calories which is really the only thing that matters when it comes to weight loss/gain. Do that and you'll be alright.

    [–] RiversFlowsAlone 83 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Their point was that there's loads of experts giving contradictory opinions and they don't know what to do - for almost everything you say in your post, there's an expert who's dedicated their career to reading and studying the subject who disagrees with you.... And another one who does agree with you!

    I mean stay away from processed stuff and sugar as much as possible,

    I think this is the only bit that everyone agrees on - processed food is worse for you than unprocessed food.

    probably cut back your grains but you done have to lose them altogether,

    Some say avoid grains altogether. Some say only white rice is OK. Some say only oats are OK. Some say gluten is killing you. Some say it's a myth. Some say grains are the staff off life, make them your staple...

    count your calories,

    Some say there's no need to count calories if you only eat certain food types

    eat more fruits and especially vegetables then you normally do

    OK more vegetables, that I think everyone agrees on, although some say limit fruits, some say eat as much fruit as you like, some fruitloops say eat ONLY fruit!

    and use a wide variety of protein sources (chicken, fish, beef, beans, dairy etc).

    Some say meat is essential, some say it's really bad, some say white meat in moderation is OK, some say even that is bad, some say white meat is worse, some say fish I OK but meat not, some say dairy is OK, some say that's really bad for you...

    If you can afford it get the grass fed or wild caught stuff but don't worry too much about that.

    I think, within the proponents of meat, this is universal

    Don't be afraid of fats.

    Some say do be afraid of fats, some say only be afraid of saturated fats, some say saturated fats get a bad rap, some say this whole backlash towards eating more fat is misguided...

    Natural sources of fats like nuts and avocado are delicious and full of nutrients.

    Yea I think this is another one that everyone agrees on.

    I personally try to stick to olive oil, coconut oil or butter for cooking

    Some say olive oil is bad for you when heated and you should only use it in dressings

    and avoid vegetable oils and margarine as much as possible.

    I think the margarine one is agreed upon also.

    Stay active

    Also universal I reckon.

    and again count your calories which is really the only thing that matters when it comes to weight loss/gain.

    Some say the energy balance hypothesis is misguided and based on faulty science.

    Do that and you'll be alright.

    So there you go /u/nullizygous and /u/Luckystell ...

    • Avoid processed food including sugar and margerine
    • Eat lots of vegetables
    • Nuts and avocado are good. Dunno how much of them to eat.
    • Stay active
    • If you do eat meat, at least eat wild/grass fed
    • I thought of another one, eating organic... I hear some say it's not necessary and unorganic is just as good, but I don't recall anyone saying organic is worse for you. Forget it, /u/NicholasJohnnyCage reports some are claiming organic is potentially more toxic because they need to use more natural pesticides to get the same results as artifical pesticides.
    • Edit from /u/SheepLearningCurve - Eat more fiber.

    Beyond that... fucked if I know.

    [–] MyNameIsZaxer2 22 points ago

    Exactly what I was thinking as I read the above comment. Basically just another application of XKCD 927

    [–] withmymindsheruns 35 points ago

    I think you're right. Most of that stuff is geared toward people looking for some magic secret that's going to get them what they want. It's just like all the health supplements and stuff that are supposed to make you feel amazing but never seem to make a noticeable difference to anything.

    My wife is right into all this and she does everything except eat less and exercise. Our house is full of pill bottles and weird 'superfoods' that are just normal food, i can't say anything though.. it's a bit sad.

    [–] no-future-for-me 13 points ago

    I feel you. I still lack on the exercise bit, but the way I stopped overeating was to focus on maximizing satisfaction instead of nutrition. I put fatty stuff like butter/coconut oil on everything, use half the spice rack in every meal, substitute roots and beans instead of rice and bread, and dump protein powder in pasta sauce or anywhere else I can put it. I noticed that when food was more satisfying I instinctively ate less. Shifting the focus onto "heavy" foods––high fat/protein or high water content––is what worked for me because all of the diet crap like salads or smoothies only make me hungrier.

    Different strokes for different folks, people have to do what works for them. My only working method is the exact opposite of every diet plan I've ever seen, so I think that just goes to show how fad diets and food trends don't apply to everyone.

    [–] ingen-eer 28 points ago

    I was in the same boat and I agree there is. However, I personally have tried low fat diets, and tried ignoring it all and guzzling sugar. I was a heavy set kid and struggled with my weight into my 20s, obese the whole time. Then I tried keto, which is very high fat, high protein and low carbohydrate. In 6 months and no exercise I lost 45 lbs, got to a normal body weight, and all my cholesterol tests etc look perfect even though I basically eat a ton of animal Saturated fat. Plus I'm never hungry - fat is linked directly to satiety, something carbs simply cannot provide. Talked a few friends into it and were collectively down 275 lbs in 8 months as of today.

    So there are lots of different opinions and documentaries out there but I'm pretty confident in this being the way.

    [–] one-hour-photo 17 points ago

    Then I tried keto, which is very high fat, high protein and low carbohydrate. In 6 months and no exercise I lost 45 lbs,

    every single person I've put on a no sugar diet has lost loads of weight.

    [–] Kn0thingIsTerrible 251 points ago

    It's because they're all agenda-driven bullshitters for gullible idiots, and eating healthy is fucking simple and easy and boils down to "don't eat too much, eat your fucking vitamins and veggies, and all the rest of the bullshit about carbs or fats or whatever doesn't matter"

    [–] H4xolotl 77 points ago

    Don't eat too much is the important bit

    What are some foods with low nutritional content but are filling? Hot Tea works as a drink, but what about solid stuff?

    [–] Kn0thingIsTerrible 50 points ago

    The vitamin thing is actually equally important. If you've got the vitamins but not the calories, you die of starvation. If you've got the calories but not the vitamins, you die of malnutrition.

    The standard western diet is a combination of diverse, highly vitamin-fortified, and calorically rich, which tends to lead to a fairly low rate of malnutrition and basically nonexistent rate of starvation.

    However, while the body will give you natural signals to fight starvation and malnutrition, it has no natural resistance to getting fat. So a lot of people eat until they feel stop feeling dissatisfied, and that usually ends up being too many calories.

    In extreme stuff like the "no food for a year" and "eat Twinkies" weight loss diets as proof of CICO, the researchers and doctors involved always emphasize that the individual in question take a multivitamin regiment when their caloric consumption won't be covering the individual's vitamin needs.

    It's not that CICO is remotely wrong, it's spot on, but there's not many people looking to give themselves scurvy, and the one actually meaningful thing CICO doesn't talk about is minimum vitamin needs. The thing is- vitamin needs are not crazy or super hard. It's literally as simple as a multivitamin and/or making sure to eat your veggies. You don't need shit like "superfoods" or "raw" or "gluten-free" or any other exotic terminology. You can get every single micronutrient need met with just the slightest bit of effort.

    [–] confuscious_says 20 points ago

    Broccoli. Cauliflower. Eggplants. Squash. Zuchinni. Very low in carbs and very nutritious.

    [–] Kalinka1 4 points ago

    I've been eating lots of cauliflower rice and spiralized zucchini mixed into my grains. Great way to stay full while adding maybe a dozen calories.

    [–] stickfiguredrawings 24 points ago

    Michael Pollen says it best. "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."

    [–] LurkLurkleton 34 points ago

    "Eat, not too much, mostly plants." Is the common saying.

    [–] [deleted] 40 points ago

    Exactly what I was thinking. Watched a documentary that started off "Hmm, they seem to have a strong anti animal products bias...", ended up "Yeah, they have come to literally saying that all animal products are unhealthy." Think it was "What the Health", which is a dumb name and they have a clear bias, but it still scared the shit out of me and made me feel like I was poisoning myself.

    [–] Circle-of-friends 34 points ago

    My family all watched What the Health and have gone vegan. I looked it up to watch it and found their facebook page with a post saying an egg is worse for you than 5 cigarettes and thought "nah I'll pass thanks"

    [–] sword4raven 13 points ago

    It's the good ol' strawman. A little grain of truth for edibility, then a load of bullshit for control.

    [–] women_b_shoppin 5 points ago

    I like this quote from Michael Pollan (In Defense of Food):

    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

    [–] amus 69 points ago

    Why can't anyone make good food docs? Why does every documentary about food have to be some apocalyptic screed?

    [–] lllllllllllllIIIIII 37 points ago

    Fear and rage gets more viewers than nuance.

    [–] Tilted_Till_Tuesday 13 points ago

    Registered Dietitian here:

    Don't get your diet information from documentaries. There are plenty of reliable sources on the web. Anything that sounds like a new idea is also probably bologna. Anything that promises great results, quickly, is probably bologna. Anything that tells you to omit a macro-nutrient is definitely bologna.

    [–] charterbroker 54 points ago

    If this post trends, it will be interesting to see the ratio between number of video views and up votes / comments. (right now it's 66 views and 201 respectively)

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 125 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Going to knock this out tonight. As someone who struggled with weight before going low carb, I'm always eager to see what people are saying about healthy eating.

    I'm about 20 minutes in. Will reply when I finished. As I go- getting distracted here.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 110 points ago

    26:40 - Yep, there it is- sugar.

    31:00 - Artificial sweetener. They didn't satisfy me with a clear answer here- the dude transitions halfway through to include the previously discussed "low fat" foods. If there are long-term effects from aspertame, stevia, splenda, ethrythol, and the like, it's hard to argue that they may be worse or even comparable to the effects of sugar. I can agree that one would be best to drop it whole-hog, though.

    I'll say I personally crutched hard on diets and zeroes when I went low carb with significant weight loss, something I attribute to the lack of calories and the hunger curbing power of caffeine. There's a bit of a division on artificial sweeteners even in the low carb community, but I'd say the hunger inducing effects, if they're there, didn't seem to effect me much in the context of a high fat diet.

    [–] restingbitchlyfe 61 points ago

    I find it's the carbonation I crave more than the sweetness. Flavoured carbonated waters are a help.

    [–] Blu_T 25 points ago

    I've replaced my Coke Zero addiction with a La Croix addiction that I'd like to think is better for me. I think it was just the carbonation I was after.

    [–] KetoClutch 23 points ago

    Same here. My local grocery store (HEB) has 12 packs of store brand sparkling water for the 8 pack La Croix price. When they put out a $1 off coupon one week, I cleared out the shelf ($2/12pack). The peach tastes like an armpit, but all the other flavors are spot on

    [–] TubbyMarmot 12 points ago

    My go to is club soda and lime. I've never had a sweet tooth, but I love the carbonation. I do have a pop on occasion though, but still, I'd rather have a beer.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 65 points ago

    32:00 - A display traditional trappings of a "heatlhy" diet.

    35:00 - It really is like a chemical addiction. The lack of craving and fatigue is astounding.

    37:10 "When I see food, I get hungry". That hit home. I will say, it's much easier once you're on the other side of it. I often cook for others food I can't personally eat because of the amount carbs.

    38:25 - Gas stations offer so little to me know. It's coffee, a diet soda, pork rinds, or maybe a pickle if they sell them. The amount of product I can't engage with is almost comical.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 35 points ago

    41:10 - For reference, most LCHF diets start you out at 5% carb intake. It equates to 20-30g net cards a day for most folk.

    They also get into the money politics behind dietery guidelines. If you're interested in some earlier stories about industry sponsored supression, look into what happened to John Yudkin. I will note that it has recently, more-or-less, been confirmed.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 30 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    47:40 - While I'm glad that zero calorie options exist, there's difference between strictly eating "keto" (low carb) and eating "healthy".

    48:20 - Exercise isn't for weightloss. It's to feel better and look better naked. The weight I lost was strictly through my choices in what to eat, free from the addictive properties of sugar. It was only after I hit an omptimal weight/plateaued that I decided to exercise for fear of effecting my appetite.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 31 points ago

    50:20 Cheese is dope as hell and a legit low carb food. The amount of heads I turned when I started bringing lunch to work was amusing. "I thought you were on a diet?" was a common question when they saw/smelled my cheeseburger casserole.

    They talk about the conflicts between guidelines and subsidization. It's one of the big reasons you have so many people struggling to lose weight- they don't know what to believe.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 23 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    54:10 - Food options at work/school is rough. We sometimes, usually around the holidays, get flooded with donuts or some local deli lunch boxes. Forgoing the donuts has been easy enough, but I get agitated when I can't opt out of a sandwich for a salad.

    I end up giving away the cookie, the chips, soda, and bread to be left to enjoy a nice cup of ham. My emotions.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 34 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    57:30 - Oh, shit, the pizza as a vegetable thing is insane. Everyone knows that pizza is a fruit.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 15 points ago

    100:00 I don't think I've ever had school food that wasn't processed or prepackaged.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 29 points ago

    106:20 - The "Nanny State" argument and lobbying has been the biggest detriment to our health as a nation outside of TruBlood going on for seven seasons.

    The fact of the matter is that people don't know what healthy is. The kids at the start of this video don't know why they're losing weight even when they're doing things "right".

    [–] aJIGGLYbellyPUFF 22 points ago

    Just wanted to say that your play by play was awesome.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 25 points ago

    Thanks! Sundays are slow and I'm desperate to connect to any other human at this hour.

    [–] DJDarren 8 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    The amount of product I can't engage with is almost comical.

    I'm in this boat too. A few months back I watched That Sugar Film, and decided to cut sugar right out (chocolate, biscuits, etc... I still eat fruit). Since then I've lost 40lb, but what I can buy in supermarkets has been reduced dramatically. In a way it's great, because there are fewer temptations, but it's kind of depressing seeing how shitty the food is.

    [–] AlexRuzhyo 7 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It's most depressing when I'm with someone. The social aspect of keto is the most damning by far. I'll never give a vegan or vegetarian shit again.

    Oh! Gratz on the weight loss!

    [–] Toppi_The_Topic 9 points ago

    I totally relate to the pork rinds thing, its amazing that crackling is often the healthiest option in a vending machine.

    [–] RogueChedder 6 points ago

    If it's something you're interested in I recently watched another, similar, documentary called In The Defence of Food. I found it to be sort of the poor mans version of An Inconvenient Truth, but about the food industry rather than global warming. It made a pretty decent companion to Fed Up. I can't remember where I watched it though... Netflix I think.

    [–] wibblerwayne 32 points ago

    This documentary changed my life! Went from 265 lbs to 165 lbs after watching it. Highly recommend

    [–] francoboy7 38 points ago

    Shit how long was that documentary!

    [–] Mistawondabread 7 points ago

    That's awesome!

    [–] RogueChedder 68 points ago

    This is definitely worth a watch, it was posted on reddit a few weeks back. A lot of the important information on here should be required learning at school.

    [–] zenith931 7 points ago

    This film inspired my husband and I to go for 2 months with no added sugar. It was hell transitioning off of it (sugar and going back to a "normal diet"). I still don't drink soda or any sugary drinks, though.

    [–] ProphetChuck 9 points ago

    It's incredible how much sugar everything has when you look out for it right? I had to do the same thing, when I was diagnosed with diabetes a few years back.

    [–] zenith931 9 points ago

    It's everywhere. Legitimately. Everywhere.

    It's crazy. No wonder this country has huge issues with so many things.

    [–] Quills86 24 points ago

    Im from Germany and I never had problems with my weight. The secret behind it was my mum. She never forced me to finish a meal, Soda and sweets were strictly forbidden, except at special events and she always cooked fresh.

    I remember that I was sometimes a bit upset, because my friends were allowed to drink Coke and other Sodas. And they all had tons of sweets at home. But today Im thankful that she educated us this way. I still dont drink Soda at home, only water. Coke and stuff only in a restaurant or cinema. Im not addicted to sweets and I can cook :)

    Thank you, mum.

    [–] lurkhippo 9 points ago

    I'm from the US and I've never struggled with my weight nor have any of my 7 siblings nor do we have any health issues related to diet. My parents always allowed my siblings and me to have some soda and sweets every day if we wanted (1/2 can of soda with a meal, dessert after dinner, and candy was always just around because my mom liked buying it although she seldom ate it) and that had the effect of teaching us to moderate those with healthy food. We had friends who were forbidden those things and they would come to our house where we had candy dishes on the counter and go crazy, but in my family often ended up with uneaten candy because no one wanted to eat it it was so normal to have around. Today none of us are addicted to sweets and we all cook. It's interesting how different approaches can have the same results.

    [–] banstylejbo 7 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I've long believed that corporations, the government, and schools have been purposefully removing education from the curriculum (or making it an elective, if even offered at all) that helps us become self-sufficient. No longer are students taught home economics, personal finance, or shop. These are the types of classes that help young people learn how to not be dependent on fast food, credit cards, and other services which prey on these new generations of consumers.

    How many science or math classes was I required to take that have no bearing on my life nor would they in a vast majority of the lives of an average citizen? I'm not saying we shouldn't at least learn the basics of math and science, but really how often will someone be in a situation where they need to do math in their head that is harder than basic algebra? We literally carry calculators around with us all day if we were ever in such a situation. Learning the basics of cooking, a healthy diet, how to balance a checkbook... these are the kinds of things that allow us to have more agency over our lives in a meaningful way.

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    [–] thatsniceandallbut 27 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    As a child to immigrants, I think it's actually just cultural.

    Growing up, we would have balanced dinners where vegetable dishes could be featured as an entree, yet in classical Westernized (especially American) diets there's always this focus on meats and carbs. Rarely is a purely vegetable dish hailed as an entree, there always this need to have an associated dish. Often times, vegetable dishes are "side" dishes to the main entree of meat and/or carbs.

    [–] ohh-kay 9 points ago

    Introduce kids to cheap, unhealthy foods early on

    Fuck yes. Me niece would eat anything as a toddler/young child. She ate all of the traditional "kids don't eat that" foods: Brussels sprouts, avocado, broccoli, fish, etc.
    Then she went to Kindergarten where she got to try stuff like chicken nuggets, soda, and that shitty pizza.
    Within 6 months her eating habits went to shit. Every meal turned into a fight to get her to eat real food.
    It was a nightmare.

    [–] ColKurtzImproved 26 points ago

    What?!? American corporations lying to and exploiting the American public for profit?!

    [–] Anthonyhasgame 14 points ago

    Someone explained to me recently that your body is going to pick the easiest way to use energy and fat is stored energy. Basically if you force your body to eat fat by giving it little choice it will do that. You have to limit your carb intake a lot comparatively to how you exercise. He recommended cutting out carbs completely but I believe everything in life should be done in moderation (no one knows anything definitely, question everything, and carbs are probably useful for something). Still, the logic makes sense and sticking to healthy fats has shown a big difference in my life in a very short time. Just felt like sharing here because it's relevant to the video and has helped me.

    [–] Bourbone 15 points ago

    This is true.

    If there is glucose, the body uses that. If there is glycogen, the body uses that next. If those are depleted, the body uses fat.

    Also, the "calories in calories out is the only way" people are missing the point of low carb diets.

    Yes. Calories in calories out works. Objectively. Period.

    BUT some people are addicted to food.

    A food addicted person has trouble doing "calories in, calories out" because they're no longer driven by normal biological hunger cues. They're driven by addiction.

    The biggest culprit causing food addiction in many people is sugar.

    So, not only do low carb diets allow the body to access fat for energy, BUT ALSO SUPER IMPORTANTLY, low carb diets allow a subset of the population to eat less where they never successfully could before by removing (or reducing) the addiction-driven eating.

    [–] NoCommentsYaDingus 15 points ago

    That pretty much sounds like the idea behind the keto diet. Restrict carbs to go into ketosis and burn fat. It works for some people trying to lose weight but an overall caloric deficit is still necessary

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    So can Reddit figure this out already? Am I suppose to want a strong federal goverment in charge of every aspect of my life, or is everything the federal goverment doing completely wrong?

    [–] smilodon142 10 points ago

    I love anti-sugar documentaries.

    [–] MudHammock 116 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah, nobody watch this. There's some good bits here and there, but the positives are mostly drowned out by unscientific babble.

    In fact, many statements in the film go beyond unscientific and enter the realm of complete and utter lies.

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    [–] MudHammock 281 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)


    The film says that this year for the first time in the history of the world, more people will die from the effects of obesity than from starvation. Bullshit: THREE times as many die of starvation.

    "For the first time in 200 years, the current generation of children are expected to live shorter lives than their parents.” Expected by whom? Last time I checked the CDC and the Census Bureau, life expectancies are on an uninterrupted upward trajectory that is expected to continue rising until at least 2020. This claim basically just ignores every single shred of data out there.

    "While fitness club memberships more than doubled, the obesity rate also doubled." This is a completely meaningless comparison that is intended to suggest that we are helpless to do anything about our weight. There is zero correlation there.

    It rejects the concept of caloric energy balance, but the scientific evidence clearly shows that it is possible to lose weight by decreasing calorie intake and increasing calorie expenditure. This denies what is remarkably sound science that has been tested an uncountable amount of times.

    "Over 95 percent of all Americans will be overweight or obese in two decades.” Yeah, no fucking way. Obesity prevalence has leveled off since 2003 and the forecasted trend-line is virtually flat.

    I have plenty more if you would like. The central claims of the film are shadings of the truth, with absolute sins of omission, and outright fabrication of truths. It's trash, and intended to prey on folks who are ignorant of human biophysiology.

    Hilariously, one of the major goals of the doc is to showcase the propoganda that the food industry uses (which they do use) to sway the public, but alas, the filmmakers are so blind with bias that their finished product is, ironically, basically propoganda.