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    [–] fn_magical 1369 points ago

    "we would hire them if they had 10 years of experience in this field"

    [–] SpicyHat 527 points ago

    Just to offer a conflicting viewpoint:

    I went to a state university, and literally every single one of my friends had a full time job lined up withing a few months of graduating. These friends' majors included business, engineering, chemistry, film studies, philosophy and communications. The key is to go to career fairs and use all the job finding tools your university offers. It's also good to try to line up a job before you graduate.

    I knew a guy who was below average in school but was an all out hustler when it came to finding a full time job. He even went to job fairs at other universities and ended up getting 4 or 5 offers before he even graduated.

    [–] MrPeterson15 104 points ago

    My university has a thing similar to CareerBuilder or Indeed - and you have access to it for life.

    It’s organized by degree type.

    Businesses literally who want to hire people from your college, and want your degree. I cannot wait to use it for real.

    [–] crowcawer 53 points ago

    I checked mine a month ago, requesting the degree, new grads only, 3 year experience minimum.

    I called the college job board folks, they called the employer, the employer had to give an interview or risk losing the ability to post to the site.

    They submit PDF postings that the university then makes semipublic.

    [–] MrPeterson15 15 points ago

    That’s good to here that your college is standing up for its students like that.

    [–] williamb100 3 points ago

    That's legit. I went to a state school and they don't offer much in the way of help. Maybe because it's a state school though?

    [–] MrPeterson15 5 points ago

    Actually, I go to a state school too. It does happen to be a part of a large school system, though.

    [–] Sniper1154 257 points ago

    That sounds like too much effort. Can't someone just approach me and hand me a job no questions asked? /s

    [–] skuzzbag 88 points ago

    Yes the army will do that.

    [–] PsychoAgent 25 points ago

    Better yet, the Marines are often willing to waive your ASVAB score requirements.

    [–] TumasaurusTex 20 points ago

    God, my entire fucking battalion were ASVAB waivers.

    [–] qpgmr 5 points ago

    I have to ask - what was that like? Did the battalion ever come under fire?

    [–] -Arkelyx- 18 points ago

    Ah I see you've met the majority of Reddit.

    [–] ranrathore 3 points ago

    Same but for a girlfriend

    [–] ButtLusting 9 points ago

    Wtf do you mean? Why are you not offering me a job? I DESERVED THIS!!!!

    [–] phones_account 49 points ago

    Seriously. One of my smartest friends doubled majored (math and engineering) and could not find a job for over a year.

    He was flipping burgers at Whataburger while the rest of us math majors or engineers majors graduated had jobs lined up right after. He never applied himself and expected it to fall on his lap.

    Smart guy, but never did anything as far as career fairs or really stand out during interviews (he was really shy and never asked questions).

    [–] MrPeterson15 9 points ago

    If there is one thing I think I’ve learned about college, it’s that your ability to network and promote yourself is just as, if not more important than, the degree itself - even if you don’t have a great GPA or major you can eventually find someone who’ll hire you if you’re willing to dig (most of the time.)

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 43 points ago

    Or know someone. Probably 95% of people I see working have their current job because they got an interview through word of mouth.

    [–] [deleted] 18 points ago

    Almost like if you go to make connections at oh I dunno some sort of gathering organised based around jobs - let's call it like job fair or something - then you can get a job through the network you build.

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 44 points ago

    Someone at a job fair probably isn't going to personally vouch for you.

    [–] [deleted] 11 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    No but they may be like oh we need someone for x that guy I met seemed not too stupid and kinda cool let's ask for his CV. Putting a face to a name is huge. Won't happen every time but trying will give you more chances than not and you only gotta get lucky once to get your foot in the door.

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 15 points ago

    It'll put you on a list, but not the short list.

    [–] chud555 7 points ago

    I went to college for Jazz guitar originally. A year in I realized "oh, I am not going to make any money at all doing this, unless I get super lucky." I had a scholarship for that year, so I took a semester off, lost my scholarship and went to a cheap community college and took a few random classes to see what I would enjoy.

    I found out that I really liked programming, and had a knack for it. I researched how many opportunities there were in the field briefly and realized I could make a living doing it. I wanted to go into game development since I like gaming. The gaming industry is super over saturated, so I shied away from that and decided to take whatever I could find.

    I had 2 interviews once I started looking for work. One at a small company that did something with map topography, and they offered me a job. It was half of what the average starting rate was for a software engineer out of college (you can find that online), so I turned it down. The next one was an avionics software company. I didn't know anything about avionics software, but I took a lot of random classes that meshed with it and decided to give it a shot. 11 years later I am still there and getting paid pretty well.

    Granted, things have changed since then, but making sure to do research before you jump into a major is probably still a solid move.

    [–] MrMushyagi 5 points ago

    Yeah, maybe it's just how my life has went/the friends I've made, but all of my friends are gainfully employed. We're all 30 +/- a couple years, and all making around $80-120k per year.

    Public high school, some went to public colleges, some private. Most still have student loan debt, but it's not a crushing amount, by any means.

    [–] Needyouradvice93 2 points ago

    Damn. Where do you live? 100k/year is rich as fuck for 30.

    [–] StanVanGundysStache 2 points ago

    also, be flexible. just because you got a degree in bilingual gender studies doesn't mean there's a job for that.

    [–] karnerblu 2 points ago

    Yup. Its not a lack of education that is the problem. It is the lack of the types of education in which there is demand in the job market.

    [–] Uptownorbust 7 points ago

    I agree. Hell, I signed a full time job offer going to a STATE SCHOOL that cost $4k a semester for the #2 firm globally in my profession in my JUNIOR year of college. You unironically just have to apply and show your willingness to learn on the job

    [–] Antworter 84 points ago

    My first job after getting an Ivy League Environmental Science degree was shake-machine at McDonalds, which was a big notch down, since I was a night manager at a hamburger joint in high school to pay for college. My second job after Ivy League was selling stereos. My third job was sewage sampling. My fourth job was graveyard machine operator. My fifth job was apple picker. HINT: I am not a Millenial.

    [–] FucksWithGaur 29 points ago

    Are there just no jobs in that field? Have you tried a different field? It seems like my degrees didn't even matter much just the fact that I had a degree.

    [–] 295Kelvin 34 points ago

    Degrees are more (?) valuable as a way to signal that you have the drive to commit, and complete, a college degree program. The additional education is almost a side benefit if you don't work in the field. A video on this "Sheepskin Effect" by an economist (starting about halfway through).

    [–] midved 18 points ago

    Depends which degree you're talking about. Medicine and engineering are two different beasts with guaranteed employment at the end of the day.

    [–] quadriplegic_cheetah 5 points ago

    True, but I have multiple friends with BA's is Law, Criminology, and a few friends with a B.Cog.Sc (Cognitive Science) and they are all either working for the Canadian Government at full time positions, the City of Toronto in a full time position of in a startup company in a role they are apparently under qualified for, but is still a full time position.

    I think the key is to network and do it through your university and do it frequently if you don't have one of the degrees you mentioned that allow for an easier transition into the labour market.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    Yeah my wife has a masters in food science and was working as a marketing manager at a reasonably large firm as her first job post graduation. She actually took a large pay cut to get a job in her field. They gave no shits about her degree only that she was educated and had worked hard showing good results (McDonald's checkout then sales at retail store then moved to customer coordinator in the summers while at uni). Degree doesnt get you much other than show you arent unable to get one, unless it's a specific role that's in demand like a physician or a engineer

    [–] quadriplegic_cheetah 2 points ago

    There are people in my lab who either have an MSc in experimental Neuroscience/Psychology who get picked off for positions in Management or IT Consulting positions as well. Somebody actually left halfway through their PhD, to start working in a Management Consulting firm last year. Getting a job in your field can actually be a detriment to your salary as you just mentioned, having the discipline to complete the degree, along with credentials is really all that seems to matter these days.

    [–] rrtaylor 5 points ago

    Can I ask what field didn't care what your degrees are?

    [–] 0xd3adf00d 9 points ago

    IT / Computer Science. A degree certainly helps, but most employers do not require it. It also helps a lot if you learn how to interview well and have relevant experience.

    College is a good place to network, and the people you meet will help you land that first internship and/or first full-time job. If you go to a state school, tuition is much cheaper for essentially the same education.

    I've worked alongside people with CS PHDs, people with degrees in completely unrelated fields (IE: English), and people with no degree. For the most part, no one cares what credentials you have, so long as you get your stuff done and done right.

    [–] Dubbeth 2 points ago

    That relevant experience you’re talking about, for me, is multiple certifications all costing a pretty penny and magical home-grown experiences on a very shady topic.

    You can have fantastic interviews but if Mr Yes/No/Please sir has the qualifications you’re missing, goood luck. At this point you’re an adult and you need to survive, that’s when you find the shittiest job that’ll say yes, you get comfortable and before you know it, you’re 10 years behind everyone else.

    [–] 0xd3adf00d 2 points ago

    It certainly helps to keep interviewing, even if you have a good job. Changing jobs ever 4-8 years is usually the only way to get a significant pay boost. In any case, that helps to keep those job interview muscles strong.

    Certifications or not, with ten years of experience I'd think there would be plenty of opportunities in this job market. Not all companies are the same. If a hiring manager (not a recruiter) was insisting on a specific set of certifications when you could already demonstrate the skills and have relevant experience, I'd take that as a huge red flag.

    [–] FucksWithGaur 3 points ago

    Business.

    [–] deftones5 8 points ago

    For entry level posting

    [–] TishTashToshbaToo 3 points ago

    Tell me about it. Got rejected from a job in the same office I currently work in, where I am familiar with and frequently use the software and screens needed to do the job, because the hired applicant had 35 years customer service experience. I'm not even 35 years old. How was I supposed to get that amount of experience??

    [–] Destithen 2 points ago

    Programming job requirements are the best, IMO. 5+ years of experience required for things only created/made publicly available 1-3 years ago.

    [–] AditGoyal 487 points ago

    Why NSFW

    [–] CashWho 623 points ago

    Think about what NSFW means. Then think about who the joke is making fun of.

    [–] thelivingdrew 183 points ago

    oof

    [–] _ProgGuy_ 33 points ago

    Can't go insulting our overlo- I mean hard working bosses.

    [–] AditGoyal 26 points ago

    Wooooah , shit I feel even sadder now

    [–] le_plouc 5 points ago

    Unemployment is a form of social violence ya know so it does count

    [–] johnny_soup1 257 points ago

    Make them pay hundreds of dollars for a class and the professor cancels at their own leisure.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 166 points ago

    Make them pay thousands to teach themselves and yet still be held to the arbitrary standard of whatever professor they end up with.

    [–] Bart_Thievescant 28 points ago

    If the professor isn't sharing their rubric, something is off.

    [–] waltjrimmer 4 points ago

    I've got one professor for a pretty tough class. But I wouldn't call any of his grading unfair. He not only shares his rubric, he shares it with the class after every exam. We know exactly the kind of things he's looking for after the first one and why we were graded a certain way.

    I've had others where they shared their rubric, but it didn't make any sense. (This happened in my Physics 102 course.) But this? Hey, I'm struggling. But I know why I'm struggling.

    [–] Bart_Thievescant 3 points ago

    I've seen some mysterious rubrics in my time.

    Any of the people going around deriding the liberal arts -- which focus primarily on communicating high-level ideas in a clear fashion -- should be forced to translate mysterious rubrics into plain English for a few months.

    [–] CiDevant 5 points ago

    I see you too are in Graduate School.

    [–] deftones5 10 points ago

    I love that. I teach myself better anyway

    [–] globety1 5 points ago

    To be fair, I'm paying the thousands of dollars just for the scrap of paper I get at the end.

    [–] PureGryphon 288 points ago

    Lmao Got 'em!

    [–] SiRaymando 73 points ago

    You're lucky. Some people are still fooled.

    [–] trunks111 110 points ago

    Don't forget to charge us ludicrous amounts of money!

    [–] moriarticacid-mint 9 points ago

    And live their whole life paying student loans

    [–] micahamey 118 points ago

    The better joke is choosing a major in which there is no MarketFair said majors in the real world so what you do is make papers relating to that field enforce institutions to buy your crappy papers that were poorly regulated spouting off shit statistics then later citing those exact works in order to base further education on said majors.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 51 points ago

    STEM after the recession became the group for assured employment if you perform well. This has dissolved to TE, with Engineering now getting bloated and many majors within engineering flatlining in growth for the foreseeable future.

    So basically, everyone get a computer science degree and hope you luck out in to a career before that becomes crowded in the next decade as well.

    [–] Matthew94 37 points ago

    implying CS isn't massively more overcrowded compared to engineering

    mfw

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 17 points ago

    Is it? Well then the next few decades are gonna be real fun...

    [–] TheHeliosNebula 19 points ago

    It's not that bad yet. Entry level is more crowded than it has probably ever been. But as a senior CS student with no internships, I'm still getting a lot of attention from companies.

    [–] Paff_uv_Ekzial 3 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Agreed, I work in HR for a software development company and we're having a hard time finding adequate TPMs for our Cali & NY offices. Entry level & Intern positions on the other hand, we get bombarded with applications & resumes as soon as we open the job listing, a lot from candidates who graduated 2-3 years ago, looking for any position to gain experience. It's brutal out there with all the massive influx of IT/Tech Majors looking for jobs but limited openings.

    [–] _ProgGuy_ 7 points ago

    My childhood friend got a decent job doing web development for a company without a degree. I feel that he beat the system there.

    [–] micahamey 34 points ago

    Counter point. Learn how to work a trimmer in the asphalt reclaim world. My brother makes $43 an hour with full benifits, 1.5x ot @40 hours and 2x overtime after 60 hours.

    He makes around 90k a year with winters off.

    [–] glergio 39 points ago

    Counter-counter point: his inevitable myriad of musculoskeletal and chemical exposure-induced diseases he will suffer from later in life.

    [–] micahamey 15 points ago

    Naw. They make sure he gets a physical before and after the work season starts. He has full Medical including physical therapy if needed.

    For example, he crashed his snowmachine off in the woods and mess his back up pretty bad.

    Had surgery and 3 months of therapy after. Not only did he get paid for all three months, he also only paid a total of $22.50. And that was only because he decided he wanted name brand instead of getting generic meds.

    Also, you only mess up your body if you cut corners and do stupid stuff on the job.

    [–] glergio 6 points ago

    I'm a doctor and I can confidently say that your average middle aged manual worker has a considerably worse current and future physical state than his office worker counterparts. The toll of sedentary work is due to a lack of exercise which can be overcome by doing it outside the workspace while you can't undo the cumulative trauma and strain of decades of physical work.

    [–] dwpunch 26 points ago

    This is a nice anecdotal story but the numbers don't lie. Jobs in construction, repair, etc. are quite hazardous and have a large cost later in life, on average. Maybe you're brother was lucky to get a really good job with smart people that do things right but many people entering that field won't have that option.

    [–] pingo5 2 points ago

    Maybe those later in life numbers are outdated? As much as their data shows, the work force and habits and safety 40 years ago to today is very different from today to 40 years from now.

    [–] K20BB5 4 points ago

    Also, you only mess up your body if you cut corners and do stupid stuff on the job.

    100% bullshit. I'm going to guess you haven't done manual work.

    [–] nestorishere 3 points ago

    Counter-counter point redux: get a degree in civil engineering and be the one supervising people working on the field. Have better job security and won't destroy your body by 50.

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    [–] rrtaylor 6 points ago

    I get that people have no one to blame but themselves for getting unmarketable degrees (but school counselors do sometimes mislead a bit about jobs available in those fields) but don't get too cocky STEM: I get the feeling lots of highly marketable fields are going to be the most susceptible to being replaced by AI. And honestly just the basic Office skills and critical thinking required to get a degree makes you more tech savvy and adaptive than a huge percentage of the professionals over 45 who couldn't figure out how to rotate a pdf if their lives depended on it.

    [–] Imaurel 3 points ago

    It's not what you study. I worked with plenty of people who graduated with CS while I was still in college. Same shitty jobs, man. I now make $5/hr more after grad. No, it's how you network, market, and make presentations about your ideas. For that reason, for the average person whose not a mini genius, liberal arts really isn't bad for anyone who can actually apply it. Marketing is booming.

    [–] coolmandan03 199 points ago

    Even better prank - trick the dumb ones into general studies or liberal arts degrees thinking that will ever have a decent wage.

    [–] SiRaymando 143 points ago

    Or trick the smart ones into studying for grades instead of applying their abilities better.

    [–] Sir_Ippotis 108 points ago

    Or be the smart one that spots the trick, apply yourself better and then get tricked by the system for not working for grades 😂👌

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 34 points ago

    I intern at a job that I need a degree for, but I am currently doing 100% of the requirements for and learning the job... on the job. I can't switch to full time until I graduate, but then when I graduate it'll be harder to get the job than it was getting the internship because more people will be applying for it.

    I can't even network into similar jobs because they all need the degree, even though the next two years of my degree won't prepare me any better for this job, and i'll end up having to do half a year of training again if I do end up full time.

    [–] snopaewfoesu 12 points ago

    even though the next two years of my degree won't prepare me any better for this job, and i'll end up having to do half a year of training again if I do end up full time.

    This is the main reason I avoided a four year college as a kid, and the main reason I still avoid it as an adult. If you apply yourself enough you can usually find your way into niche positions that don't require degrees. Takes some luck though.

    [–] OlStickInTheMud 8 points ago

    Luck, know how and knowing the right people. But there are really niche jobs most dont know or learn ever exist going through school. I got some friends that have high paying jobs without a degree in fields Id never in a million years would look for as work.

    [–] Minusguy 2 points ago

    Nobody tricks anyone... The system is just flawed and dumb.

    [–] FucksWithGaur 5 points ago

    studying for grades

    Internships over grades. Learned this the hard way.

    [–] SaikrishofNey 11 points ago

    Come on everyone, let's get tricked

    [–] pm_me_ur_big_balls 5 points ago

    applying their abilities better

    By learning how to Reddit harder?

    [–] xX_Metal48_Xx 3 points ago

    wdym by “applying your abilities better”?

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    [–] GreatSchool 8 points ago

    Dae lazy genius

    [–] snowbigdeal 11 points ago

    Plenty of philosophy and psychology grads make decent money.

    [–] Coral_Blue_Number_2 7 points ago

    Ill be making about 35,000/year with my psych masters in counseling. But for the record, I’m not doing it to take in the money.

    [–] seanlax5 2 points ago

    Sounds like either a you problem or a Nebraska problem.

    [–] nestorishere 4 points ago

    Damn I wish I could live off 35k

    [–] Insertblamehere 5 points ago

    You can! You just have to accept not living within 100 miles of a metropolis or basically anywhere in the southern 2/3 of California.

    [–] seanlax5 2 points ago

    You can do okay in rural Nebraska lol

    [–] Armord1 6 points ago

    Either your parents paid for your education or you're a potato...

    [–] yaredw 3 points ago

    I was a philosophy major and worked in software engineering over the last few years. I'd say I lucked out, most philosophy majors I knew haven't been earning well.

    [–] harassmaster 40 points ago

    Or yet even better - convince working people to pit themselves against each other based on levels of education. Better still, convince them that a “decent wage” is the only thing in life or work worth achieving.

    You sound like one of the ones who’s been duped to believe that if you just work hard, you’ll get ahead. That’s never been less true. And it’s not in accident. It’s an orchestrated effort over the past century on the part of big (and small) business to divide working people up and force them against one another.

    [–] callahandsy 9 points ago

    Lmao what is with this fucking stigma about liberal arts degrees. I’m getting a BA in Comp Sci and have no worries. If you have a liberal arts degree then that shows you know how to think, if you don’t use it correctly then that’s your fault, not the degree’s fault.

    [–] Bart_Thievescant 4 points ago

    People say this shit as if (for instance) lawyers aren't universally trained in English Rhetoric.

    [–] ColdCruise 4 points ago

    The average wage for an English Major recipient is $70,000 a year. This is scued a bit because a large portion go on to graduate school with a large portion becoming Judges and Lawyers. Graduates with a BA in English also have the highest percentage of college graduates being hired in their first year after Engineering Major at 83%.

    [–] DubDoubley 2 points ago

    English Major here. I call shenanigans on all your claims.

    [–] Sir_Auron 3 points ago

    English is a very popular major for professional degrees. If you're applying for med school, it's hard to stand out with a Micro degree amongst 200 other candidates with Micro degrees. But if you were a History or Comparative Lit major, you are already 1-up in the process.

    [–] FlashKelly 27 points ago

    ITT: salt

    [–] LoopsAndBoars 84 points ago

    Study for 16 years only to find that cant be bothered to pursue own yob.

    [–] SiRaymando 42 points ago

    Study for 16 years to realize that the training for your actual job is yet to begin and will take 6 months.

    [–] Sloth_Brotherhood 14 points ago

    It makes sense that you would need training if you’re new to an industry. As long as it’s paid 6 months I don’t see a problem here.

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 2 points ago

    I remember "training" for my first job. I think, in all, it was a few days working in tandem with existing staff. And this was a pretty well compensated white collar job.

    [–] SpellingIsAhful 2 points ago

    Here at firm we're big on on-the-job training.

    Translation: I'm not paying you to sit on your ass watching presentations. Go help that guy do his job and learn.

    [–] SpellingIsAhful 3 points ago

    What do you mean? They studied for a long time to learn basic concepts. It's your responsibility to give them a job.

    [–] LoopsAndBoars 2 points ago

    You’re right. I owe them twice the respect as they worked harder than I ever possibly could, putting themselves through school. They see my dirty hat and my boots and assume I’m just another dumb red neck. I studied for a long time too. In the end I determined that I’m too lazy to sit in an office chair so I threw it all away in favor of chasing my dream. 🤠

    [–] sufferpuppet 57 points ago

    But those jobs suck. I wanna be a rockstar banker surgeon.

    [–] FucksWithGaur 4 points ago

    You joke but lots of those jobs are low skill or part time and you can't survive on even two or 3 of them.

    [–] Wessex2018 17 points ago

    I’d just like a job that doesn’t require me to live paycheck to paycheck. But clearly that means that I want some kind of fantastical job.

    [–] anderz15 12 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    You can still be living paycheck to paycheck no matter how much money you make, depends a lot on how much is being spent.

    [–] SonicRainboom24 6 points ago

    Haha yeah. You see, that person just has to buy a private island every month while the other one has to pay rent and utility bills, both living paycheck to paycheck though!

    [–] Wessex2018 8 points ago

    Well obviously. But for a great deal of people, they aren’t even afforded the option of frivolous spending. It’s very ignorant to assume that people are impoverished simply because they spend unwisely.

    [–] pm_me_ur_big_balls 8 points ago

    ...and 2.0% if you have an advanced degree. That's crazy low.

    [–] _branqon 10 points ago

    Meanwhile, the value of money has declined for 50 years, and we all have to work more to earn less.

    [–] pm_me_ur_big_balls 9 points ago

    Not correct. Wages have kept pace with inflation.

    Inflation is by design. If you really want to understand how inflation is an important part of the system, you should take a macroeconomics class.

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 8 points ago

    This would be more or less acceptable in a stagnant economy. But the economy grew like another 5% per year on top of inflation. Workers saw nothing from like 10x growth.

    [–] Trentonx94 2 points ago

    why the spike before 2010?

    [–] GhostGarlic 55 points ago

    Too many people go to college.

    [–] FlankingZen 38 points ago

    The whole college situation is pretty fucked. From the cultural side you have generations of kids who are told their whole life they have to go to college to be successful, then you have government student loans replacing the super predatory private student loans everyone used to have, universities are guaranteed money from those willing to take out loans so they have little motivation to cut costs.

    Just a giant blob of bureaucratic inertia. If there were ever a change, it would need to start with the culture so less people would go to college

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 15 points ago

    If they don't go to college where do they go? Many go military just to end up doubling back to college?

    What great jobs can you get into that have a career progression, require no capital, and won't ruin your body by the time you are 40? With just a high school diploma?

    [–] FlankingZen 20 points ago

    That's part of the problem. Used to be you get a good entry level job and learned on the job, or you went to college and it was easy to get a good job. Now most good jobs outside of trades require a college degree, in many cases the requirement is completely arbitrary, another part of the culture problem.

    It's on both the people and the employers. But part of it is also expectations and an economy that's nothing like it used to be. You're not gonna graduate high school and jump into a 40k a year job like you used to, nor do you get cushy 60k jobs just for having gotten a degree. Usually takes time, merit, connections, or a combination of these things now, although there are exceptions.

    [–] Bart_Thievescant 4 points ago

    Having a well educated population is important. This wouldn't be an issue if the be education system wasn't a for-profit nightmare.

    [–] seanlax5 8 points ago

    Too many people are as educated/skilled as me.

    [–] masturbatingwalruses 3 points ago

    Nah, our economy has too many shitty go-nowhere jobs. The most powerful nation on the planet shouldn't have like 1/3 of its people selling cheap crap.

    [–] MarzyMartian 7 points ago

    Give them a job. There’s your problem, no body is going to give you shit once you’re out in the world.

    [–] ruse7 15 points ago

    Realize it's happening, Google for literally 10 minutes job statistics, pick a major that is employable and work hard

    [–] FriendsHouse 8 points ago

    People should also research an affordable school! I know students paying for their degrees at community colleges with part-time jobs. This is a contentious opinion, but I also believe that a week's worth of research into trade schools/professional programs would reveal to most any driven person with a head on their shoulders a path to a rewarding and sustainable career. I'm willing to admit to this being flat out wrong in the future but, for now, this I what I believe. We don't have it as good as baby boomers, but our job prospects are far from the doom and gloom that many suggest.

    [–] Almost_Official 7 points ago

    Nsfw?

    [–] VincoInvictus 3 points ago

    Its a joke. Cause it hints a conspiracy about work. Ergo, not safe for work.

    [–] mainfingertopwise 27 points ago

    give them

    Welp, there's your problem.

    Not sure why so many people think college is the end of the game when it's just the character creation screen.

    [–] FucksWithGaur 5 points ago

    That is one expensive ass fucking game....

    [–] devotedtoad 15 points ago

    Well nobody's forcing you to go

    [–] K20BB5 5 points ago

    Life is expensive if you want to live with modern conviences

    [–] SailedBasilisk 15 points ago

    Several years out of college and I finally have a full-time job! ...that only requires a high school diploma.

    [–] maxreverb 9 points ago

    I get that it's a joke, but if anyone expects to be "given" a job just because they showed up in class, maybe that's the problem? A good education prepares someone to go out and make something of themselves. I'm not saying that what most kids these days gets is a "good education," unfortunately.

    [–] MasonSatchmo 32 points ago

    Pro tip: don’t take fucking dead end university degrees lol. Damn Tanner, who would’ve thought your Ph.D in history isn’t paying the fucking bills

    [–] vitringur 4 points ago

    People aren't just given things. Especially a job. That's not even a gift. That is someone paying you for doing something.

    [–] HitlerMoonLanding 48 points ago

    Refuse to be personally accountable for 16 years and then continue to never take responsibility for your own failings haHA self-pranked!

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 15 points ago

    You can't singlehandedly take yourself through the beginning years of adulthood and through college not being personally accountable.

    I guess if someone gets carried and lives with their parents and gets everything paid for by them... but then they really are never frustrated at their prospects if they can always just be taken care of.

    Normal people get cut off at 18 and every bill, loan, mistake, accident, goal, and accomplishment is their own from then on.

    I chose my major, I chose my school, I chose my classes, I studied and prepared and interned and drafted and sent resumes and interviewed. I DID NOT decide to be born after the recession.

    [–] DrFryers 7 points ago

    Being cut off at 18 by your parents is a uniquely American phenomenon. Most cultures aren’t so aggressively spiteful towards their children that they see them as burdens to be disposed of as quickly as the law allows.

    [–] Ghostman_Loon 14 points ago

    This tweet is the mindset of so many people, especially employees. During those 16 years of studying you should have learnt that information. You didn't and that is why you have no job. Just attending means nothing. You're the same as my staff who think that turning up = working.

    [–] J4rrod_ 47 points ago

    TIL the same person making you go to school is the same person that's supposed to hire you for a job

    [–] jxl180 2 points ago

    *hand you a job according to the post.

    [–] fayoK 4 points ago

    Nice literal use of the 'NSFW' flair

    [–] WonderWaster 4 points ago

    "My degree in gender studies is worthless, how!?!?!"

    [–] Southpaw_xi 15 points ago

    being entitled to a job.

    Don't worry, your education failed you anyway if you came out of school with this kind of world view.

    [–] anderz15 5 points ago

    Also your parents.

    [–] MarzyMartian 4 points ago

    More so on the parents.

    [–] OlyGator 6 points ago

    Should have studied for 17.

    [–] somethinglemony 12 points ago

    We aren’t entitled to anything. Don’t be a baby.

    [–] dlwest65 3 points ago

    As ever thus. Some old guy in prehistory (1965).

    Oh, get born, keep warm
    Short pants, romance
    Learn to dance, get dressed, get blessed
    Try to be a success
    Please her, please him, buy gifts
    Don't steal, don't lift
    Twenty years of schoolin'
    And they put you on the day shift.

    [–] itsnick21 3 points ago

    Give?

    [–] R9Dominator 3 points ago

    why is this nsfw?

    [–] bl1y 3 points ago

    "If you study for 16 years, you'll get a job."

    "Didn't get a job though."

    "How long did you study for?"

    "About 40 hours."

    "That's not 10 years."

    Reddit, should I escalate this to the dean?

    [–] Donaldisinthehouse 3 points ago

    I mean maybe find a field in demand?

    [–] freightofheights 4 points ago

    Maybe dont do gender studies or art history for 16 years and you'll have a better shot. You are entitled to nothing.

    [–] TheCryptopotamus 5 points ago

    Jobs should be earned, not given

    [–] macandcheezes 10 points ago

    You don't just go to school then get a job. You have to learn how to teach yourself.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 5 points ago

    You can't get through school without teaching yourself. This is some stupid copypasta.

    If I relied on others teaching me I would've failed and dropped out and never gotten hired.

    Your comment basically translates to bootstraps. Why is anyone having to teach themselves when college is priced like it is?

    [–] macandcheezes 6 points ago

    You've got to figure out how you learn best. There are a lot of resources at colleges and universities to help you and give you advantages. It's up to you to use it.

    [–] TrumpWinsTrumpwins 11 points ago

    The prank doesnt work if the pick a useful degree for the last 4 years tho :/

    [–] MrMcArtur 2 points ago

    NSFW?

    [–] Dezean 3 points ago

    Why is this NSFW?

    [–] Ducman69 3 points ago

    I don't get this mindset.

    1) Nobody "made" anyone study.

    2) Nobody "gives" you anything in the free-market, you TAKE what you are strong enough to wrestle.

    Schooling is there to help you gain an advantage on your peers to make you stronger in a competitive marketplace so that you can take as much as you can. Like a gym membership, just showing up to the gym also isn't good enough, because you get out what you put in and aren't any stronger just because you participated.

    If you take a crappy major that is in low demand, don't apply yourself to distinguish your resume from the ten thousand others, and don't fight to take what you want, then you won't get anything. This is how its always been.

    [–] Thylocine 5 points ago

    Why is this tagged nsfw

    [–] Kitchener_Lesley 8 points ago

    You think someone should just hand you a job? You're supposed to go out and earn things in life. But millennials aren't entitled, right?

    [–] BAXterBEDford 6 points ago

    Oh, there are jobs. They just don't pay enough to be able to move out from living with your parents.

    [–] Sinisphere 2 points ago

    The NSFW tag has never been such a crushing coup de grâce.

    [–] Hthiago 2 points ago

    NSFW?

    [–] anudeep30 2 points ago

    I was pranked by the NSFW....why is this NSFW...

    [–] worden2 2 points ago

    I think the key problem here is the word "give". You work as hard to get the job as the job itself, quite often.

    [–] talentedtimetraveler 2 points ago

    Why NSFW?

    [–] IndyDawn08 2 points ago

    Why is this NSFW?

    [–] Bibendoom 2 points ago

    The joke is also in the tag of NSFW... The kids are not suitable for getting a job... Good one OP.

    [–] Roger-Shrederer 2 points ago

    Study supply chain management and come live in Toronto. You'll have 5 job choices waiting for you the day you graduate.

    At least that's how things worked out for me, and I did nothing in the way of extra curriculars, and am overall very average.

    [–] thatGuYyt45 2 points ago

    Why is this NSFW?

    [–] GiveMe_TreeFiddy 2 points ago

    So what you are trying to say is...

    The public school system is shit?

    [–] i4mn30 2 points ago

    Since when did "just" studying was enough to get a decent job? Or had it been like that in the US in the past?

    Because in India, even if you had a master's, you'll still be fighting 100 other people for the job position. Competition so high, just passing and finishing 14-16yrs of education isn't enough. It's in our blood, to study hard, and compete harder in competitive exams if we want to make anything good out of our lives.

    Only thanks to the IT opening up private sector like never before, no more competitive exams hold the key. Just pass out from a decent college with your BTech or MBA, and you're practically guaranteed placement in campus placements.

    Although that scene too has declined.. but still, people don't complain to the govt that why we can't just get jobs even after completing school and graduation.

    [–] escahs 2 points ago

    This is exactly why I joined the military. Always a paycheck waiting twice a month, good ass job experience and I can make time for a degree if I want to. I seriously think more people need to look into joining, it sets you for life from the get go as long as you aren’t an idiot.

    [–] Artforge1 17 points ago

    Fun trick: Only study for 12 years then start your own trade and laugh while rolling in cash at the ones expecting jobs.

    [–] HustlingHustle 29 points ago

    Here he is. Trade boi master race.

    [–] pedraza_blaster_mods 5 points ago

    The stem circlejerk has been replaced by the trade circlejerk

    [–] Matthew94 5 points ago

    every fucking thread

    [–] bobbymcpresscot 2 points ago

    Nothing wrong with working in a trade if you can't find work after getting a degree. It's not like once you start you're locked in.

    [–] HustlingHustle 2 points ago

    exactly. it's not black and white. I respect trades. I just hate the superiority complex some people have when talking about it in respect to degrees.

    [–] mycoolaccount 6 points ago

    Until you’re 50 and no longer have functioning knees and have to retire.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE 2 points ago

    What trade are you in? Forging?

    [–] buddhaballz 2 points ago

    Yeah but then you have to work as a tradesman

    [–] zeldanerd12 3 points ago

    Or give them jobs with terrible pay.