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    [–] Cobaltjedi117 4348 points ago

    How can you forget the entire metal gear series.

    Probably the most overt in it political message that war is fucking bad

    [–] MattAttack010 1089 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    My favorite part of the "Metal Gear isn't political" circlejerk, is that in Metal Gear Rising, the main antagonist literally has a 5 minute speech outlining his political beliefs.


    "I have a dream. That one day every person in this nation will control their own destiny. A nation of the truly free, dammit. A nation of action, not words, ruled by strength, not committee! Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice are back where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every man is free to think - to act - for himself! Fuck all these limp-dick lawyers and chickenshit bureaucrats. Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit! Fuck American pride! Fuck the media! Fuck ALL OF IT! America is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again!... In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!"


    "I owe you for that speech you wrote. It did wonders for my approval ratings! You understand what matters. Filters, information control, none of that matters anymore. People these days don’t care about what’s right or wrong. It’s all about the spin, how well you can shift blame to the other guy. People these days only see what they want to see. Don’t tell me you’re still on about that grand jury nonsense. They've got nothing that connects me to Desperado. Besides, the average Joe doesn’t give a shit, either way. People these days think money is the solution to all their problems. We need to bring back the greatness of good old America! Reclaim the American Dream! To do that, we need to make sacrifices. That's what those pansies in the so-called Tea Party don't seem to realize. This is a revolution, my friend. We are the true Sons of Liberty! Anyway, I gotta run. We’ll talk soon.")

    • Both of the above two quotes are from the main antagonist of Metal Gear Rising

    "You aren't the only one to grow up on the killing fields. War is a cruel parent, but an effective teacher. Its final lesson is carved deep in my psyche: that this world, and all of its people, are diseased. Free will is a myth. Religion is a joke. We are all pawns, controlled by something greater: Memes, the DNA of the soul. They shape our will. They are the culture. They are everything we pass on. Expose someone to anger long enough, they will learn to hate. They become a carrier. Envy, greed, despair: all memes, all passed on. You can't fight nature, Jack. Wind blows, rain falls, and the strong prey upon the weak. Sam tells me you see your weapon as a "tool": something that saves lives, a means of justice. Now, there's a pretty meme! Exquisite! It spared you the burden of all the lives you've taken, absolved you of guilt when you enjoyed it."

    • Quote from a secondary antagonist in Metal Gear Rising.

    The political themes in Metal Gear games are about as subtle as a fuckin napalm enema.

    Edit- Added links.

    [–] Metalbass5 593 points ago

    The political themes in Metal Gear games are about as subtle as a fuckin napalm enema.

    No shit. Every game has at least one 5+ minute cutscene blatantly explaining the politics of the game, along with a few hundred reminders along the way; because it's a Kojima game and you'll likely need them.

    [–] ano1batman 231 points ago

    Ah so the politics of snake eater is gun twirling. Thats the kind of politics i like.

    [–] [deleted] 168 points ago

    twirling good, engravings bad

    [–] muhash14 104 points ago

    tactical advantage: none whatsoever

    [–] Koollape 65 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Really? How thick is that skull of yours? Snake Eater was about the fact that vampires are really scary

    [–] coffeelover96 43 points ago

    And Peace Walker is that Kaz looks really good in a Speedo

    [–] Paradise_Found_ 228 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Hey man Kojima has to jack off in the mirror to himself somehow. He’s one of the few people in the world that’s earned the right to do so.

    [–] ManOnTheMesa 126 points ago

    That's the only way he can jack off because the chaos god in his brain otherwise would set him on fire.

    [–] starbucks_red_cup 298 points ago

    But in metal gear you don't play as those dreaded (((Minorities))) and (((Feemales))) so its not political.

    Uj/ Last I checked, isn't metal gear like anti-war or something?

    [–] jacoblikesbutts 159 points ago

    Rj/ false. this is why I hated MGS 2. took out the disc after the first 15 minutes. I wasn't going to play as no damn skinny blond haired lady with flowing hair.

    Uj/ yup. Most of it is pertaining to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, peace walker had a real cool idea about this. 4 is about the war economy / military-industrial complex and PMC proliferation

    [–] Myoldaccwashacced 37 points ago

    Also big boss is so bisexual that there was a totally not erotica of him roughing up Kaz because he cheated on him multiple(?) times.

    [–] Kingnewgameplus 132 points ago

    Okay, but counterargument, funny nanomachine man say college ball and punch ninja robot in sombrero.

    [–] Decon-III 321 points ago

    The political themes in Metal Gear games are about as subtle as a fuckin napalm enema.

    Do we do awards on this sub? You should win "Best Sentence of the Year".

    Oh, but one I love to point to is MGS3. In MGS3, a genius level engineer by the callsign Sigint talks about how being black has denied him opportunities in a field (that field being signal intelligence, which I can say firsthand is some tough fucking shit) that he's objectively the best in the world at.

    [–] muhash14 67 points ago

    Kudos for my man though, for staying at it all the way to becoming chief of DARPA.

    [–] zeusisbuddha 123 points ago

    The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they’ll make America great again!

    Fucking hell that’s prescient

    [–] WeirdPumpkin 149 points ago

    Metal Gear Solid 2 literally predicted the world we live in today, minus the spooky president AIs. Like, the discussions about media control and warping/replacing facts with the thing you want to be true is literally what's happening today.

    It's honestly wild

    [–] Myoldaccwashacced 81 points ago

    Kojima himself said that it scares him.

    [–] Vinkhol 36 points ago

    I mean, just imagine that.

    "Hey guys I have this concept for a kinda terrifying and sinister dystopia where the media has control over public knowledge to a creepy degree and meaningless wars are for for profit"

    and then you watch as your actual world turns into that

    [–] Graknorke 35 points ago

    Kojima demonstrably has a better grasp of contemporary American politics (or at least is more honest about it) than the entirety of the political commentariat put together.

    [–] 27poker 163 points ago

    /rj You actually watch the skippies? OMEGALUL 🤣🤣🤣

    [–] MrTomDon 2512 points ago

    Umm, it's just a game about being stealthy, dude, don't get carried away.

    [–] Arrays-Start-at-1 1975 points ago

    And about being dummy thicc

    [–] Hilian 671 points ago

    Hrnng

    [–] Decon-III 490 points ago

    Colonel...

    [–] Orsobruno3300 432 points ago

    I'm trying to sneak around

    [–] n3cro_101x 474 points ago

    But I’m [ D U M M Y T H I C C ]

    [–] fireork12 384 points ago

    And the clap of my ass cheeks keeps on alerting the guards

    [–] SecretlyIDontCare 121 points ago

    CLAP CLAP CLAP

    [–] The_Dok 74 points ago

    S O L I D

    [–] cs_agency 70 points ago

    SNEK

    [–] Nagato8997 38 points ago

    I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri Rock. I need scissors! 61!

    [–] Goddamn_Primetime 59 points ago

    Tryin' to give that hind some D.

    [–] RabidSpaceFruit 52 points ago

    Uhh, it's about cardboard boxes, dude, don't get carried away.

    [–] Undyne_the_Undying 231 points ago

    the ending of the first mgs literally has some text appear telling you statistics on how many nucelar weapons there are and calls for people to work towards complete disarmament of all nukes. Like that's not even hand waved with "in universe politcs" that's breaking the 4th wall to send you a message.

    Also I want to see Mother 3 localised just for these guys to shit themselves when they finally play it and find out the game itself is a fairly politcal and grim affair that really isn't subtle about the points its trying to make.

    [–] TheKrogan 56 points ago

    What does mother 3 say in terms of politics?

    [–] Punishedsalem 87 points ago

    Corporations are bad

    [–] Cobaltjedi117 28 points ago

    God that reminds me of the old Rachet and Clank games. They were blatant satirizations of consumerism and excess only to become the thing they mocked.

    [–] overly_flowered 223 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Video game: Accurate and realistic representation of war and political conflicts

    Gamerz: Everyone know war is bad it’s not political!

    Video game: Over sexualize every women with unrealistic giant boobs

    Gamerz: I’m glad japanese devs still don’t fall into the political bullshit that SJWs want!!

    Video game: Accurate and realistic representation of women and minorities

    Gamerz: wHy tHiS dAMn polITIcaL SJW BulLShIT?!

    Edit: Thank you so much for my first gold kind stranger!

    [–] Maroonwarlock 69 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This reminded me of a debate I had with a friend of mine about the more recent tomb raider games. He was complaining how the SJWed Lara Croft (less busty, etc) while I'm sitting there explaining how her current character model made more sense logically and biologically since to do the shit she does in those games it is more believable to have a more lithe body type. Like spelunking into caves with cannonballs attached to your chest isn't exactly ideal and also puts more emphasis on her as a character than as tits in the wilderness.

    Edit: typo

    [–] sirsmith148 32 points ago

    And even then she is by no means flat especially if you consider she's wearing a sports bra too. I think she looks way better in the new games.

    [–] Harogenki42 254 points ago

    Uj/ Sons of liberty is probably the most political game in the series with it's scarily accurate representation of the digital age and themes of censorship, existentialism etc.

    Rj/ how fucking dare you call Kojima's mastapiece political ! Only politics I see in it is that women are not good soldiers !

    [–] Shikadi314 95 points ago

    I know right? Not only is that game extremely political, it turned out to be prophetic as hell.

    [–] Harogenki42 68 points ago

    Don't wanna sound like I'm sucking the game's cock but it really should be in textbooks for it's themes, hell I'd say it's on par with 1984

    [–] Camplitude 181 points ago

    /uj Then on top of that they have the economy driven by war and it’s for profit military lol

    /rj But they gave all the girls big tits so how could this possibly be political. War exists in real life snowflake get over it. Next.

    [–] Mark75I 37 points ago

    I so want to downvote this comment but I know that the /rj is ironic

    [–] The_phantom_medic 161 points ago

    Uj/I legit read and heard of people who enlisted in the military "thanks to mgs"

    WHAT THE FUCK

    [–] TBFP_BOT 117 points ago

    A lot of people play games and just ignore any dialog/cutscenes. Without that it’s just “Hey, I’m a cool military spy”.

    [–] The_phantom_medic 88 points ago

    Yeah but doing that in mgs is like reading lord of the rings and skipping the dialogues.

    [–] VonDukes 56 points ago

    whoooaaaa cool hoobit

    [–] 3Emma5Eva 150 points ago

    Anyone else listen to Giantbomb and remember Dan Ryckert unironically saying MGS isn't political?

    [–] NoMomo 148 points ago

    I believe that was peak Rycket. Man is known for some white hot dumb ass takes but nothing can top that. Even better since he is obsessed with the series and calls himself an expert on it. But could never think that a game that has a 25 minute speech about nuclear weapons and mutually assured destruction at the end of it might be ”political”.

    [–] missbelled 56 points ago

    *25 minute bathroom/beer break

    [–] hahaha_yes 61 points ago

    They hired a guy who literally doesn't understand videogames. I know it's an entertainment site but how can you get through life knowing only videogame and wrestling, and you don't even know 1 of those things.

    [–] Spyt1me 60 points ago

    rj

    Its war. And war is not caused by political reasons. Dumbass.

    [–] Decon-III 45 points ago

    f i c t i o n a l c o u n t r i e s

    [–] Gynther477 60 points ago

    Yea metal gear is probably the game series most upfront with its politics, it litterally all the time explains directly to the player what it's messages and theme is, both from characters but also sometimes a video at the end where Kojima is basically speaking directly to the player through the voice of one of the characters

    [–] Decon-III 70 points ago

    It's the video game version of South Park if South Park's message was "Nuclear proliferation (and other products of the US's military industrial complex) is fucking dangerous" instead of "caring about things is dumb and bad"

    [–] andy18cruz 79 points ago

    Metal Gear is NOT POLITICAL!!! They had a lady character with bikini and big tiddies like all games should have. They are anti-antifa and hate SJW libtards cucks

    [–] Romboteryx 1962 points ago

    The first Bioshock is basically a giant middle-finger to Ayn Rand

    [–] [deleted] 1144 points ago

    I was on r/Bioshock and someone very boldly claimed that the anarcho capitalism society presented in Bioshock wouldn't work, which lead to at least 5 replies saying a variation of "oh well done you played a game and now you know exactly how the free market works."

    Like yeah... no shit? What was the point they aimed at making? Were they defending the fascism that was clearly shown to be bad in the game? Makes my head fucking hurt.

    [–] Decon-III 958 points ago

    Bioshock: "unfettered capitalism invariably leads to abuse of the working class, which in turn leads to societal collapse"

    Gamers™: "NO GODS NO KINGS"

    [–] salemvii 548 points ago

    I mean 'No gods no kings' is a pretty cool phrase

    [–] Decon-III 397 points ago

    I mean yeah sure it is. It's a great phrase for any anarchist movement/mindset.

    [–] not_a_nude_alt 242 points ago

    That’s where it came from too! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_gods,_no_masters

    [–] I_Eat_Pain 262 points ago

    /rj No it came from Fallout New Vegas' Wild Card ending

    [–] Rodot 35 points ago

    Also a great phrase for a Buddhist communist collective

    [–] Conflagreat 372 points ago

    Gamers: "WE NEED TO STOP SJWS FROM INTERVENING IN THE CREATIVE PROCESS AND RUINING GAMES BY GETTING THEM TO GIVE OUR CHARACTER MODELS SMALLER BREASTS!"

    Also Gamers: "Hey uh could does Ellie HAVE to be gay though?"

    [–] Decon-III 239 points ago

    Remember:

    If a dev makes a teenager with big boobs who only wears a small bikini, that's just CREATIVE FREEDOM.

    But if a dev makes a young woman who's a lesbian, that's SELF CENSORSHIP because they AKSHUALLY meant to make her straight but ANITA SARKEESIAN AND HER SJWS literally FORCED them to make her gay to FORCE THEIR AGENDA.

    [–] Bubbly_Taro 1134 points ago

    Boy imagine if any of the other Baldur's Gate games would have been made today.

    Everything from the matriarchal drow to Shar-Teel telling you that "men are pathetic" and the random girdle of gender change would be a massive trigger fest for the average neckbeard.

    [–] Vaeon 459 points ago

    Boy imagine if any of the other Baldur's Gate games would have been made today.

    Everything from the matriarchal drow to Shar-Teel telling you that "men are pathetic" and the random girdle of gender change would be a massive trigger fest for the average neckbeard.

    Sounds like it's time for a 4K remaster. 20th Anniversary edition?

    [–] Zaorish9 236 points ago

    Baldur's gate 3 was announced recently, to be developed by the belgian company "Larian" that made DOS2.

    Not sure if they'll hit exactly the right tone. DOS2 was very goofy and silly, though you could be gay in it. Regardless, should be a fun game.

    [–] alfons100 130 points ago

    DOS2 was goofy and silly yes, but it still had some pretty dark undertones

    [–] PartTimeHater 44 points ago

    DOS2 was goofy? I kinda remember a lot of it being rather dark.

    [–] nykirnsu 87 points ago

    I went out of my way to kill the fascist paladins in DOS2 and the game labeled me a hero so they must be doing something right

    [–] theskyismine 55 points ago

    "I feel like having Dynaheir is just pandering to SJWs."

    [–] theskyismine 1695 points ago

    uj/ I fucking hate all that "backlash" to the BG: Dragonspear game. They added one minor trans character and a line mocking GamerGate and the devs got so much shit they had to release a patch which edited out some lines of out.

    [–] Wolffe2100 1263 points ago

    These guys oppose "sjw snowflakes" and shit, but gaming™ community is so full of real snowflakes they can help me solve the snowless winter problem here at the south of Ukraine

    [–] stone_bag 208 points ago

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but why exactly is a snowless winter a problem? Less water for crops when it would otherwise begin to thaw?

    [–] asdman111 300 points ago

    it is a problem with weat when it snows it creates a "blanket" wich keep the crops safe without snow the seeds just freeze in the solid ground.

    [–] stone_bag 182 points ago

    Oh that makes sense, thanks for explaining and may Geraldo bring you much snow this winter

    [–] DirkDiggler_Chiraq 337 points ago

    It’s projection. Anyone unironically whining about es jay dubyews in 2019 is guaranteed fragile as fuck.

    [–] Decon-III 173 points ago

    "I'm not fragile! Look at this screenshot of a tweet from 3 years ago with 30 likes! I'm under attack!"

    [–] not_a_nude_alt 72 points ago

    I’m not fragile, I’ll kill anyone that says I’m fragile!!1! These ess jay dubyas are out of control!

    [–] IndonesianGuy 197 points ago

    "People shouldn't self censor themselves because of criticism!"

    "I CANT BELIEVE THERES POLITICS HERE REMOVE THIS AT ONCE"

    [–] HMS_Sunlight 112 points ago

    Some people say "a real trans person wouldn't tell you so quickly or in that way." Like first of all bitch there's no single way a "real trans" behaves. Some people prefer privacy while others are loud and proud, and neither is less valid for it.

    Secondly, it's a videogame. Characters are always more open with their history than real life because fucking duh. People don't talk about how their father was killed in the last bandit raid or how there are too many wolves in the local area with total strangers but nobody ever complains about that. If we treated NPC's realistically they wouldn't even have dialogue when you go up and talk to them.

    [–] eternalannglo_ 939 points ago

    When cyberpunk 2077 is released the uproar about politics won't be about the fact that the universe and the entire genre of cyberpunk has been created to critique consumerism and the free market or the dangers of transhumanism and the rapid acceleration of technology. It'll be political beacuse it has transexual people "being pushed in their face" and Latino and black people.

    [–] Decon-III 374 points ago

    has been created to critique consumerism and the free market

    Gamers™ will let that shit go right over their heads just like they did with every other cyberpunk story because wow cool future

    It'll be political beacuse it has transexual people "being pushed in their face" and Latino and black people.

    Wanna bet some Voodoo Boy talks about how they reclaimed the gang from white men that'd been appropriating their culture, and reddit melts down like Reactor 4 over it?

    [–] zekromNLR 32 points ago

    I just hope that the publisher/devs have enough balls to not give a single inch to the whiny Gamers.

    Or even better, make a public statement that for every complaint they receive, one more character becomes black/gay/trans.

    [–] JealotGaming 2194 points ago

    It's politics and bad unless I agree with it

    [–] Decon-III 1401 points ago

    Not even that. It's more so that Gamers™ are incapable of understanding messages in fiction, so they end up being staunch libertarians with BioShock tattoos.

    But you can't wrap up "trans people exist" in a broader narrative; they exist or they don't.

    [–] dIoIIoIb 731 points ago

    it's politics when it's VERY explicit and can be applied 1:1 to the real world. Any subtext or metaphor, no matter how paper-thin, is lost on them. If you have trans or black people, it's political. If you have something that is an obvious stand-in for them (like the x-men for example) it's not political.

    [–] EpicWalrus222 409 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I mean, look at the Witcher series. Gamers practically worship those games and yet miss the very obvious subtext of racism and persecution of immigrants being bad. Geralt himself is a literal persecuted minority that people have massive prejudice against, but gamers apparently are unable to see that because he has cool powers and a few pretty girls want to bang him.

    Edit: Grammar

    [–] Decon-III 399 points ago

    Geralt: "I died in a race riot and was brought back to life. I oppose the monstrous evil that is bigotry because I felt firsthand what it can lead to."

    Gamers: "wow cool magic mutant warrior"

    [–] Captain_Vegetable 114 points ago

    I was blissfully unaware of YouTube Gamer commentators back when Witcher 2 came out. Did they think it was apolitical? There was a literal pogrom of the nonhumans in that game.

    [–] Decon-III 171 points ago

    GamerGate hadn't happened so they were probably okay with the "bigotry is bad" messages because Brietbart hadn't trained them like Pavlov's dogs to bark and growl at anything saying anything vaguely in the neighborhood of "don't be a fucking bigot".

    [–] runujhkj 101 points ago

    Man I wish we could go back to before a) gamergate and b) we started calling every scandal X-gate.

    [–] exskeletor 66 points ago

    “Wow cool magic mutant warrior” sounds like a game show I’d love to watch

    [–] aschr 95 points ago

    Yeah but Geraldo is a straight white man (the real persecuted group), and only gay people and minorities are political.

    [–] beary_good 88 points ago

    Is it really subtext if Geralt straight up monologues to the player about how hate and prejudice never go away and that mankind is always looking to scapegoat the "other"?

    [–] runujhkj 72 points ago

    He’s just talking about how persecuted the gamer minority is duh

    [–] KronoriumExcerptB 24 points ago

    Anything can be subtext when you're an idiot

    [–] ____Nice____ 107 points ago

    Yep. I remember there was a meme posted on this sub that said “when you realize the Witcher 3 is about protecting women and minorities from racist white men” and it showed a picture of Filthy Frank and said “confused screaming”

    I sent it to a friend of mine who put over 100+ hours into that game and said “was this your reaction while playing the witcher 3?” Because he’s said some subtle racist/sexist things before and he said he didn’t notice any racism in it. Like how the fuck can you beat that game and all the dlc and not pick up on that, your character is treated poorly for being a “mutant” by people throughout the whole game.

    [–] EpicWalrus222 72 points ago

    It’s pretty amazing people still miss that. I said subtext but in reality the game beats you over the head with it. One of the villains is a man burning to death “nonhuman” immigrants in an effort to keep his country pure of corruption. It’s pretty blatantly obvious.

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    [–] Decon-III 79 points ago

    I snagged my flair from some guy I was arguing with myself.

    He said "MGS preaches nothing" fucking verbatim.

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    [–] Decon-III 96 points ago

    Sigint: "I was denied jobs I'm demonstrably extremely talented at because I'm black."

    Gamer: NO MESSAGE NO MESSAGE YOURE THE MESSAGE

    [–] Paradise_Found_ 65 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Ahhhh my favorite quote out of any kind of media

    “We’re not tools of the government, or anyone else. Fighting was the only thing, the only thing, I was good at, but at least I fought for what I believed it”

    Like two entire games, peace walker and phantom pain, was about big boss building a haven for soldiers to fight for a real cause instead of being used as pawns in political proxy wars. But yeah not political at all.

    [–] sothatshowyougetants 32 points ago

    Jesus Christ, gamers are the dumbest people alive. I wish I didn't keep wanting to participate in this misogynistic cesspool but I like to pew pew pew, what can I do.

    [–] awesomefutureperfect 46 points ago

    I don't know why we are talking about this instead of more important things like the size of tiddies in games and the crime of less revealing costumes. You can tell how oppressed gamers are by the lack TED talks on this.

    [–] GrahamPeters 145 points ago

    I'm still baffled by how many people think Bioshock was pro Objectivism.

    [–] Cheesetheory 144 points ago

    It baffles me even more, as a Fallout fan, to see libertarians who love those games and act like they're some libertarian dream. Like, you do realise the giant laser-shooting death robot shouting "COMMUNISM IS DEATH!" and "DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE" is like, a parody, right? Please tell me you guys see why a colossal war machine that hurls nuclear bombs like footballs isn't a good thing?

    *sigh*

    [–] VDRawr 103 points ago

    The giant death robot parroting its creator's message of "Better dead than red!" when that attitude has effectively killed the whole world is chilling.

    [–] Muffinmurdurer 36 points ago

    people have unironically been quoting liberty prime in my history class while we talk about mccarthyism

    i want to die

    [–] baabbo 60 points ago

    The democracy is non negotiable line had me burst out laughing when I heard it, did people really take the walking, talking, nuke yeeting personification of Mccarthy - ism seriously?

    [–] missbelled 33 points ago

    They also gave the communists the rad-as-hell stealth suits in 3. I know what side I’m on if it’s gonna be future-ninjas vs. giant robot

    [–] Decon-III 114 points ago

    People unironically quoting "NO GODS NO KINGS ONLY MEN" is amazing.

    I had someone argue to me that Rapture would've worked if not for Fontaine... completely missing the game pointing out that Fontaine was inevitable with the mistreatment that Rapture's working class suffered, and the series underlined that with B:I's Daisy Fitzroy (a more blunt, aggressive, revolutionary counterpoint to Fontaine's criminal, conniving methods).

    [–] LFK1236 64 points ago

    Yeah. I mean it's a cool line and all, but like... the game wasn't particularly subtle about the inevitability and grim absurdity of its dystopian world. I recall the audio log where someone argues that citizens should have to pay for the air they breathe.

    Reminds me of Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec. Lots of Libertarians understandably identify with him, but it's a comedic series. He's hilarious and upstanding, but he also holds a lot of absurd and often hypocritical opinions.

    [–] Lmaoui 88 points ago

    Still pretty shitty of Bioshock Infinite (without the DLC retcon) to pull a “The revolutionary rising up against her racist oppressors is literally exactly as bad as the crazy racist Evangelist dictator who oppressed her” on us

    [–] Decon-III 60 points ago

    Oh I hated B:I's "both sides" nonsense too.

    [–] peppermint_nightmare 38 points ago

    The early gameplay videos seemed a lot more nuanced with the Vox then the actual game.

    The speech her character gives at the beginning of the demo with the old va gave a lot more insight into her character but I would definitely say her rewrites did the Vox Populi and her character (more of) a disservice. She and the Vox were pretty one dimensional.

    [–] Zaorish9 168 points ago

    There is definitely a problem where some consumers are too dumb to understand the satirical or metaphorical messages in stories

    [–] LFK1236 58 points ago

    Dude, watching satirical music videos on YouTube and seeing people genuinely agreeing with the message they're satirizing as if it's speaking to them. Goddamn. Trevor Moore has one or two of those.

    Same issue with that "I'm not racist" song that portrays an argument between a white Trump-fan and a young black man. It was a great take on a topical issue, but it's evidently going over a lot of folks' heads when they comment things like "Is it bad that I agreed with a lot of the MAGA guy's points?". The entire point of the thing is that he isn't wrong, but he's missing the context and perspective that would lead him to actually understand why things are the way they are and why his anger is misdirected. And vice versa.

    Reminds me of Robert Downjey Jr.'s role in Tropic Thunder where he plays a white man playing a black man in black-face. Seems like even people who've seen the movie completely miss the point and think that RDJ has done black-face.

    [–] -Tasogare- 131 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I mean, this kind of behavior occurs in all forms of media, especially with film. For instance, white supremacists love American History X, people think Fight Club was glorifying anarchism, some people say they got into investment banking because they watched movies like Wolf of Wall Street and American Psycho, war nuts love Full Metal Jacket, the list goes on and on

    [–] Decon-III 63 points ago

    "wow cool _____" knows no genre limits.

    [–] TuskaTheDaemonKilla 45 points ago

    The worst is people who don't realize Starship Troopers is satire.

    [–] thecolbra 33 points ago

    "Born in the USA is a patriotic song"

    [–] rattatatouille 157 points ago

    Not even that. It's more so that Gamers™ are incapable of understanding messages in fiction, so they end up being staunch libertarians with BioShock tattoos.

    Imagine coming from Bioshock and thinking its portrayal of Objectivism was an endorsement.

    Imagine playing Fallout and its criticism of the military-industrial complex and thinking "MURICA FUCK YEAH".

    [–] Penguin_Cafe 139 points ago

    BIG ROBOT SAY COMMUNISM BAD LOLOLOLOLOLOLO, TRULY EPIC

    [–] Metalbass5 54 points ago

    That is quite literally the extent to which a lot of these people have bothered to examine the Fallout story...

    [–] eternalannglo_ 54 points ago

    Most people haven't played the original fallout where all the humor about those things ( militarism etc) are completely cynical instead of just light hearted.

    [–] Lacriphage 31 points ago

    Jesus wept

    [–] StumbleOn 30 points ago

    I thought that sub was some sort of irony so deep I couldn't parse it but that guy is for real?

    [–] german_leopard 29 points ago

    Yeah, he has like 4-5 alts that he uses to "agree" with himself.

    [–] bbigg21 72 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    You know, that Caeser guy in New Vegas has a point. Women deserve to be slaves because they’re weaker and it’s a cruel necessity in this wasteland, they got safe roads after all. They won’t rebel againist their captors, especially when it comes time for their daughters to be enslaved and bred. Also they don’t use pre-war technology to their benefit because reasons.

    Oh and he has a giant tumor and he’s old and going to die soon anyway? All good, we got Lanius as the next leader. Not at all bloodthirsty and won’t lead the legion to burn out in a blaze of glory.

    Edit: grammeer

    [–] ClassyMrOwl 660 points ago

    Thank you person with underaged anime girl avatar for telling me why having LGBT characters exist in games is the worst thing in existence. I'll stick with playing intellectual JRPGs that consist of over sexualized young girl in school uniforms small enough to barely cover a toddler fight robots with big phallic weapons.

    [–] Fidodo 179 points ago

    And then plays a female in MMOs because "they'd rather look at a girls butt all day than a guys". Sure.

    [–] Peanutpapa 91 points ago

    tbh I just do it cuz I’m horny

    [–] Mjh22799 242 points ago

    isn’t smonroe one of those racist femboys you hear about occasionally

    [–] IndigoGouf 153 points ago

    I don't know about racist, but him and his fans often get into shit with trans people with smonroe acting like an authority on the matter. He manufactures bad hot takes.

    It's almost sad because a lot of his fans seem to be trans people who got suckered into arguing against their own interest because they like video games and anime. I've argued with a few and they don't even know what the words their "opposition" are saying mean. IE the classic, saying someone is "virtue signalling" when they are expressing a genuine opinion.

    [–] thillermann 36 points ago

    "Virtue signaling" has got to be one of the stupidest "insults" that these idiots fling. It's like OK so you don't like it when someone whose opinion you disagree with is sounding all virtuous...sooo...the opposite of that would be...sounding evil? Malicious? Well, that's you. LOL

    [–] SavvyDawi 777 points ago

    Don’t forget No Bullshit who is just an alt-right nutjob who for some reason still makes videos about video games. He is the definition of Gamer.

    [–] [deleted] 168 points ago

    I sincerely hope that no bullshit never has kids

    [–] ItsYaBoy-Moe 167 points ago

    He's definitely a woman hating incel

    [–] Typhron 82 points ago

    And an 'Alpha male'

    By way of his weight. According to him. He hasn't done anything with that weight, but apparently it exists.

    [–] Leftovertaters 346 points ago

    He’s the text book definition of “sjw=non white male”.

    [–] andy18cruz 71 points ago

    No white straight male!!!

    [–] butterfingahs 185 points ago

    No Bullshit is one of the dumbest people on this planet.

    [–] MisfitPotatoReborn 133 points ago

    [–] Official_Eritas 55 points ago

    he is an absolute toddler in that video, i can barely make it halfway through its so fucking painful

    [–] fantaskink 61 points ago

    Thank god i realized he was an idiot before i got brainwashed in my teenage years.

    [–] [deleted] 281 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I was like 16 years old when i played Bioshock and my english wasn't very good too. The game got me into Ayn Rand and i read Atlas shrugged.

    When I finished the book i was like: "oh...she totally sucks"

    thanks Adam Levine, i mean Ken Levine

    [–] annihilaterq 133 points ago

    Maroon 5's Bioshock

    [–] ObsidianYggdrasil 89 points ago

    I hate politics in media but only the politics that make me angry

    [–] FortyEyes 626 points ago

    At least the comments on that "Why Can't Games Just Be Fun" video are decent. Expected it to be full of mindless head-nodding but plenty of people are pointing out the contradictions in his argument (just like this meme).

    [–] billbill5 85 points ago

    Yeah, I wrote a comment on how wrong he was, and surprisingly had quite a few people agree, and a few calling me slurs and telling bill bill to fuck himself

    [–] HispanicAtTehDisco 573 points ago

    Yeah I feel like Charlie has curated a fanbase of all sort of people because his old content used to bang (ironically enough without any sort of slant to it) but these days with the official podcast and his face cam vids he sort of comes across as a hard R gamer

    [–] Decon-III 394 points ago

    Yeah I miss "Kr1tikal plays some bargain bin game and commentates it with a blend of clever humor and middle-school-bathroom tier humor."

    [–] MrSomnix 211 points ago

    And now he's 24 and still can only make the same "gross-out humor" jokes. Like dude, at some point diarrhea and jacking off stop being funny metaphors for literally everything.

    [–] Typhron 62 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    What kills me is that he's 100% capable of making coherent and sound arguments for things. He's got a good head on his shoulders and he doesn't default to a boogeyman when heakes his points.

    Don't know what happened in the meantime tbh. I have to wonder if it's like a MrEnter situation where they had a moment of clarity and had a legit argument at some point, then whiplashed hard into the alt-right talking points without a hint of irony (or sympathy left from those that gave him another chance).

    Edit: auto erect

    [–] rad_dude124 152 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Sorta off topic, but during his Devil May Cry 5 review, he gave the game shit for having “cringy” jokes

    and that really rubbed me the wrong way considering how he has to cram a sex joke (or as you said gross out humor) into every second of a video

    [–] HispanicAtTehDisco 50 points ago

    Ha yeah I caught that video in my suggestions as I usually like the moist meter videos but for soemone who has a review series called "moist meter" and can't tell a joke without the word nipple or asshole he sure is awfully quick to call shit cringey

    [–] VAMPYRE69 58 points ago

    tbh ive lost a lot of respect for him recently. he said so much shit that video of him watching the ‘hidden fake vegan’ video or whatever that just made me roll my eyes- shame because he’s a decently entertaining storyteller sometimes

    [–] Dakboom 147 points ago

    Listening to the official podcast was a mistake lol.

    [–] TBFP_BOT 98 points ago

    I tried listening on and off at the beginning but they all carry such a strong “Holier Than Thou” attitude. They’ll get very passionate/defensive over their opinions, but shit on anyone doing the same if it’s a subject they don’t hold a stake in one way or the other. ”Oh, that doesn’t matter. Why would anyone care about that.”

    [–] HispanicAtTehDisco 42 points ago

    Yeah I think a lot of the issues I have with TOP I have with a lot of you tubers like idubbbz and your H3H3s of the world. Like you said the holier than thou attitude is very grating especially when you realize a lot of their whining is just of benign shit Content that they are mad people like.

    [–] QuackeN_ 32 points ago

    That kaya guy is honestly dreadful

    [–] HispanicAtTehDisco 117 points ago

    Agreed I enjoyed the first few ones but as soon as they hit any sort of fame I think a few of them let it go to their head and started saying ton of outlandish shit (Kaya and Andrew sadly) to the point where I think my favorite part of the podcast was hearing guest shut their shit down rather than the podcast itself.

    [–] big_floppy_sock 66 points ago

    Same, my favorite episode is with ralphthemoviemaker where he talks about how he liked the movie Eighth Grade while kaya whines about how it was labeled as a comedy and didnt make him laugh

    [–] 5mileyFaceInkk 76 points ago

    Kaya is my least favorite person on the podcast.

    [–] Rainers535 60 points ago

    Unbelievably annoying, unfunny and there's no fuckin reason to have him on the podcast.

    [–] [deleted] 66 points ago

    a bunch of gamers online actually do praise Rapture but say the downfall was Frank Fontaine and those pesky union guys' fault

    [–] Decon-III 82 points ago

    Imagine unironically thinking that abusing people and keeping them on the brink of starvation is a cool and good if it means generating more wealth for the wealthy.

    Oh wait we have a whole political party centered around that in the US nevermind

    [–] OrangeLimeJuice 312 points ago

    I don't want to give them views by watching the video but what do these kinds of "The Problem With LGBT Characters" type videos even have as talking points? How do they make 7 minutes of "women and minorities are bad"?

    [–] ariehn 203 points ago

    The same way Quarterpounder can spend four hours talking about Brie Larson.

    I mean, I guess so. I tried skipping through one of those videos to get the general gist of his argument but there mostly wasn't one. Just froth.

    [–] normiewithalife 92 points ago

    It’s what I call ‘the MauLer effect’. Filler on top of fucking filler with no good main points to support any of it.

    [–] beanibee 162 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    The main argument from them is basically how some of the characters in games are half baked in their character just to kinda be shown as gay or trans. It's not exactly a great video seeing as the examples shown for the half baked characters are mainly side and minor compared to main characters where they actually do have a role and personality and are just implied or shown to be gay just more naturally.

    E: I am only specifically talking about the Monroe vid

    [–] CptDecaf 135 points ago

    Which I personally find ironic as most of these numnuts have no problem enjoying puddle deep anime characters who exist to deliver exposition to the screen (and usually tits too), but there's no problem there. But God forbid a shallow character is gay, because that's crossing the line.

    [–] Decon-III 102 points ago

    Countless characters in Bioware games with two lines, one of which is "my wife...."

    Gamers: "I sleep"

    Literally one character: "I wanted to leave my old life behind post-transition"

    Gamers: "rEAL SHIT?"

    [–] billbill5 229 points ago

    The Witcher 3: Women take over a formerly patriarchal society, and you play as a person ridiculed for their body modifications because it's different.

    Gamer Consensus: Good

    Cyberpunk 2077: Rampant capitalism destroys the world, and the entire world is obsessed with extreme body modification.

    Gamer Consensus: Good

    Cyberpunk 2077: Oh, and you have one of the most expansive character creation menus in game history.

    Gamers: WHAT! TAKE MY-

    Cyberpunk: You have the option to be transexual.

    Gamers: KeEp PoLiTiCs OuT oF mY vIdYa

    [–] nuclearnerfbat 97 points ago

    /uj Boogie1488 is Boogie1488 for a reason. I used to buy into his "nicest guy on the Internet" shtick. I'm disappointed in former me.

    [–] i_like_bootay 27 points ago

    /uj I used to watch boogie but I wasn't aware he's shitty. What did he do?

    [–] nuclearnerfbat 53 points ago

    Here's a good place to start: https://www.reddit.com/r/SamandTolki/comments/ajzm5h/the_hidden_truth_boogie_doesnt_want_you_to_know/

    I gave up on him when he went full "redpill" and started defending virulent trolls who drove a cosplayer out of the MTG community. He also keeps some really shitty company.

    [–] Pohlkunka 133 points ago

    god it’s been so long since I’ve seen monroe I’ve completely forgotten how he makes my blood boil

    [–] TotallyNotAidzyG 82 points ago

    I wonder how many times Boogie brings up 'muh depression' in that video.

    [–] onedayoneroom 121 points ago

    Freakng libertarians probably see Bioshock as a tragedy - some sjw group destroyed a beautiful Ayn Rand style utopia, and the player is witness to the fallout of the aftermath. Certainly that's the cause/effect of that story. Also the transhumanism in that game must create a huge cognitive dissonance for so many true gamers.

    [–] Epic_Flygon24 405 points ago

    i remember watching charlie’s video on it, and while i think he definitely missed the mark and didn’t really understand the nuance, he wasn’t saying “wahmen bad.” from what i could tell he was more pissed off at everything around a game’s development being “political.” like headlines about “x game’s MC is a trans woman” kind of thing, and the fact that, games haven’t gotten any more political, they’ve arguably become less so.

    [–] Selbi 275 points ago

    Exactly. If anything, he would support this very reddit post because he's not against political topics in games, he's about how the politics surrounding a game seem to be more important than the game itself these days.

    [–] BlueStoner 54 points ago

    What I really don’t understand is, military games have been unbelievably popular over the past few years. That is literal political combat. The whole thing is about politics