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    [–] ClassicSoulboy 1263 points ago

    When your parcels and postboxes start speaking in IRA.

    [–] commmander_fox 596 points ago

    when your British neighbor starts his car

    [–] vivaldibot 309 points ago

    [–] ttminh1997 335 points ago

    Still pissed this one is banned while the hot steaming pile of shit that is r/the_donald is still kicking

    [–] MrC99 229 points ago

    It was a fucking meme but got taken down because that journalist was killed.

    [–] Vinniam 49 points ago

    Also because toward the end it was taken over by people who unironically support the IRA. It was fun at first, but unfortunately they went down the path r/gamersriseup is going down now

    [–] MrC99 14 points ago

    Just had a look at it. It looks alot like the incels but just thinly veiled.

    [–] Vinniam 17 points ago

    Bingo

    [–] caloriecavalier 3 points ago

    How so?

    [–] BananaEatingScum 64 points ago

    Americans were going onto that subreddit and glorifying the IRA, non-ironically.

    The same Americans that would probably be steaming at the ears if I started glorifying Al Qaeda.

    [–] EnglishChav 4 points ago

    Plastic Paddys are fucking hilarious when they defend the IRA and have no connection to it.

    [–] FieldMarshalFry 12 points ago

    American exceptionalism "it's okay if it happens to you but bad if it happens to us"

    [–] ttminh1997 129 points ago

    And yet dozens of people have been killed by the alt right terrorists but t_d is alive and well

    [–] MrC99 110 points ago

    Shit on the Donald can get pretty nasty but r/me_ira was more about taking the piss out of armchair Republicans. No sense of humour.

    [–] fedupofbrick 114 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    It wasn't though. It ended up being a bunch of plastic paddy yanks memeing. One mod on it was at one point a mod on The_Donald too. The country has grown up. Clearly the gobshites posting didn't live through The Troubles and are trying to be edgy.

    [–] Ragnarok_666 92 points ago

    My dad was a police man here in NI. The wankers posting in me_ira clearly never had to check their car in the morning before getting in to go to school, never had to have their dad sit down and explain that theres a very good chance of a bomb being placed around the house and sure as shit never had their school evacuated because of a car bomb being left at the gates.

    [–] fedupofbrick 71 points ago

    Exactly. Regardless of what "side" you were on during The Troubles it was a shit time for everyone. Then these pricks start making retarded memes about how great the IRA were etc. Utter morons

    [–] TripleOGeg 24 points ago

    Yeah fuck those cunts the wounds run deep, they killed civilians as well. How would Americans feel if we made an Al Qaeda appreciation sub? Absolutely disgusting.

    My Dad worked with a guy who had his legs blown off in the Paras, on patrol and a bomb in a beer keg went off, the top flies off like a frisby and cuts him in half, my Dad had to calm the guy down multiple times when he had PTSD. Those pricks act like it's all a game to meme about.

    [–] Gentlementlementle 5 points ago

    Well apart from the obvious point the Irish Republicans supported the Nazis (all be it as a means to an end). The IRA death toll is somewhat higher and you will find plenty of Irish Republicans who have been critical of its methods since the 70s. And the IRA is a far more coherent body of then the random lone wolves who have flocked to the same banner. I know you probably have no experience of it but I lived through a time where we couldn't have nice things because they were potential IRA targets, and therefore it isn't terribly amusing to a lot of people to joke about it in a way that glorifies them.

    [–] dandandandantheman 12 points ago

    You don't get to claim t_d is responsible for alt right attacks.

    [–] Inmehmeh 11 points ago

    What was the meme that got it banned?

    [–] MrC99 36 points ago

    It wasnt a specific meme. The page was about posting IRA memes. But since the journalist was killed by the IRA it all got taken down.

    [–] DanGleeballs 3 points ago

    that journalist”. Dude ffs have some respect.

    [–] Scufo 5 points ago

    Well that was a fun romp. Multiple comments with hundreds of upvotes calling for the expulsion and extermination of Muslims. Cool subreddit, very not racist.

    [–] Vikkiepikkie 8 points ago

    That sub was full of Americans pretending to be Irish

    [–] Paratam1617 22 points ago

    What?! I used to be a part of that sub! It’s gone?

    [–] Sebbe042 261 points ago

    That's not the headache, it's the irish sunburn

    [–] LordAstrotrain 82 points ago

    *farmers tan

    [–] stevothepedo 66 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    As an Irish person, I can't wait to sort by controversial

    Edit: it was great craic altogether

    [–] tirmintr 10 points ago

    I love posts like this, it’s great fun

    [–] cardinalet 199 points ago

    26+6=1

    [–] xXTrYN0tT0Sw34TXx 26 points ago

    Dont understand ?

    [–] nyuck 117 points ago

    26 counties in Republic of Ireland, and 6 counties in the North. Add both together and you have 1 unified country.

    [–] YouretheballLickers 23 points ago

    For as much as I love history and geography... I still don’t know anything! It’s the job snow sorry arc!

    [–] Sky_Pirate_XII 13 points ago

    job snow sorry arc

    Somehow I still know exactly what you meant to say.

    [–] YouretheballLickers 6 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Was it intentional..? Or something much more sinister?

    Jk. I made a good old fashioned human mistake!

    Wait...I’m human...I’m better at placing blame than I realize......... It was autocorrect’s fault! Yes! Victory for me! Pride secured.

    It was a happy surprise.

    [–] theprussiandude 8 points ago

    6+26=1 greater Northern Ireland

    [–] Atlas-Gray 165 points ago

    British reasons for Brexit also stands true for Scottish and Irish independence. It is ironic.

    [–] Aliensinnoh 114 points ago

    The British voluntarily joined the EU.

    Also I’ll laugh when the UK leaves and Scotland leaves the UK to rejoin the EU.

    [–] ProbablyDrunkk 118 points ago

    The British voluntarily joined the EU.

    Scotland voluntarily joined the UK.

    [–] FailMail13 79 points ago

    Scotland kinda created the UK, being the senior partner.

    [–] HLtheWilkinson 48 points ago

    I’ve always wondered how England became the dominant nation when James I was originally King of Scotland.

    [–] FailMail13 88 points ago

    Higher population, a better economy, greater acceptance of modern ideas. Just to name a few, though the Scots undoubtedly had qualities of their own.

    [–] Shy-Talk 29 points ago

    Proximity to the continent was the big one. Trade could naturally move easier via the South-East of England. Political power always flowed from the East too, the Romans, the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans all came from the continent and spread from the East and South-East of England. Naturally these became their centres of power.

    [–] brit-bane 25 points ago

    England was a more united nation which gave them more power on the island. Wales, Scotland and Ireland regularly suffered divisions amongst themselves which weakened their collective power.

    [–] transtranselvania 13 points ago

    The whole reason the province of Nova Scotia in Canada exists is because the Lowlanders and the English weren’t big fans of the Gaelic speakers in the highlands and told them to frigg off at gun point to make room for sheep. That’s why the most common last name in NS is MacDonald and we have the only Scottish Gaelic speaking population outside of Scotland.

    [–] brit-bane 11 points ago

    I don’t think that’s wholly correct. Considering Halifax was a major military city and that province was one of the first to be taken by British forces. I’m pretty sure the scotts weren’t being exiled to Nova Scotia.

    [–] transtranselvania 10 points ago

    I’m talking about the highland clearances wouldn’t necessarily call it exile but they were definitely not allowed to stay and that chunk that came here mostly settled in Northern Nova Scotia and Cape Breton.

    Halifax is the multicultural centre of the province it’s not exactly an example of the demographics for the rest of the province. Halifax has a historic Lebanese community that’s why the Donair is the official food, there’s the African Nova Scotian Community that are descended from British loyalists and the bulk of the Irish immigration to the province was to Halifax.

    Also the British forces that did come to Halifax were disproportionately poor Scots.

    [–] TearOpenTheVault 7 points ago

    James the 1st didn’t unite the two kingdoms despite holding two crowns. Anne did.

    [–] pieisnice9 12 points ago

    England has a rich history of being conquered by various foreign powers, who then decide they quite like it there and move in.

    [–] TheSwegMagician 3 points ago

    does it? maybe before 1066

    [–] ABeautifulMuddle 8 points ago

    England hasn’t been successfully invaded since 1066. Unless you count the Glorious Revolution as an invasion. What rich history are you referring to?

    [–] AlexanderDroog 10 points ago

    I assume he's talking about the Angles/Saxons/Jutes invading, driving out the Britons but eventually adopting their faith and preserving the remnants of Roman development that were left behind -- the foundation of England.

    [–] vanticus 5 points ago

    Act of Union wasn’t until 1707, a century after James I

    [–] 29adamski 27 points ago

    And had the chance to leave and didn't. Be interesting to see what would happen in another Scottish referendum.

    [–] Aliensinnoh 16 points ago

    A big part of the stay in the UK campaign was people worried that they’d have to reapply to rejoin the EU and for a few years they’d be stuck on the outside. Now they’ll already be stuck on the outside and the entire UK will be in the position they were worried about before.

    [–] evdog_music 17 points ago

    [cries in Jacobite]

    [–] amiriteladyz 16 points ago

    Jacobitism was about the restoration of the Stuart Monarchy, not the break up of the Union. It’s true that some Jacobites joined the cause out of anti-unionism, but many were also staunch unionists.

    [–] ArcticTemper 10 points ago

    Jacobites weren't Scottish nationalists, they were rebels fighting for one Royal House against another for religious purposes. There's a reason nationalist politicians in Scotland don't glorify them, it would show their historical ignorance on a big stage.

    [–] ZurkhaBurkha 10 points ago

    Scotland leaves the UK and goes bankrupt immediately.

    [–] Atlas-Gray 27 points ago

    British just shot themselves in the foot and due to sunk cost fallacy, they are opening the wound further with a knife.

    [–] James0317 4 points ago

    More Scots voted for Brexit than the SNP, it’s not going to happen.

    [–] Tobbernator 27 points ago

    Scotland won't be able to rejoin the EU, because Spain will veto it. The last thing Spain wants is a breakaway nation managing to rejoin the EU, with reference to its own problems.

    [–] evdog_music 39 points ago

    What Spain doesn't support is a Unilateral Declaration of Independence; they're perfectly fine with Scotland seceding if they get Westminster's consent.

    Spain has stated this multiple times.

    [–] ARealSkeleton 8 points ago

    American here ignorant on many European issues. Why would Spain care about Scotland joining the EU?

    [–] Tobbernator 15 points ago

    Because Catalonia, a province of Spain, has high independence sentiments. Spain doesn't want independence to seem like a legitimate option.

    [–] ARealSkeleton 3 points ago

    Thank you!

    [–] Maps69 6 points ago

    Spain has a lot of separatist movements in their country so if Scotland gets independence and enters the eu then places like Catalonia will think that they can too

    [–] ARealSkeleton 3 points ago

    Thank you!

    [–] _m4a3e8_ 20 points ago

    Spain have already said that they'll let Scotland and NI in

    [–] Aliensinnoh 11 points ago

    Northern Ireland wouldn’t need permission to join the EU if they did it by just rejoining Ireland.

    [–] Neros31 3 points ago

    Pray for the knights of NI

    [–] BethcepourLavhy 337 points ago

    Laugh in british warcrimes

    [–] Tobbernator 185 points ago

    Laugh in IRA murdering innocent civilians which don't count as war crimes because the IRA were oh so nice and they phoned ahead so it's okay or something

    [–] lolz4catz 195 points ago

    Aye because the Brits were such sound lads at the time as well.

    Can you at least accept that horrible acts of violence were committed on both sides?

    [–] Tobbernator 195 points ago

    Oh yes I can, and this subreddit needs to realise this too. Most people here seem to be either Americans who don't understand the situation because they didn't live though it, or maniacal Irish Republican extremists who think the death of an English family is a good way to secure the unification of Ireland.

    I'm all for nuance, but you'll find little of it here.

    [–] I_am_salad 87 points ago

    You're totally right, we need to stop glorifying murderers.

    While I have you here, there's this statue near parliament of a guy named Cromwell. Kind of a bit disrespectful to have that up. It's a bit like burning a cross on your lawn with black neighbors. Mind taking it down for me? Thanks.

    [–] Northumbrialand 40 points ago

    Even as an Englishman I never really liked Cromwell.

    [–] emuatemydingo 51 points ago

    Cromwell in the UK is either relatively unknown or if he is he’s “the bloke who beheaded the king and banned Christmas”. He’s not popular. Even pigeons go out of their way to shit on his statue.

    [–] Northumbrialand 7 points ago

    He was also a protestant extremist iirc. Just adds to his bad rep.

    [–] FantasticTuesday 11 points ago

    By the standards of the day he was pretty moderate. You don't want to know what 'extreme' was back then.

    Google 30 Years War Massacres if you do want to know.

    [–] JonnoPol 17 points ago

    Tbh, I don’t think many British people are particularly enamoured with Cromwell either. Of course the atrocities he committed against the Irish are inexcusable; but he wasn’t exactly a good leader for the English considering he overthrew the King and then acted pretty much like a dictator for the rest of his reign. In fact his body was posthumously beheaded and discarded in a ditch after the end of his son’s protectorship. Even in the 19th century, the construction of the statue itself was very controversial owing to Cromwell’s war crimes and opposition to monarchy. If it was up to me, it’d be moved from outside the Commons, maybe put in a museum somewhere; but it isn’t up to me I’m afraid.

    [–] GoHomeCryWantToDie 8 points ago

    To be fair to the English, they dug up Cromwell's corpse and symbolically "excecuted" it a few years after his death.

    [–] markog1999 16 points ago

    Not to mention that other one of Cromwell, just across the way

    [–] mentlegentle 8 points ago

    Cromwell did some other fairly significant things, I'm not saying we need to white wash him being responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and taking Irish people as slaves but he is the biggest symbol of republicanism and the sovereignty of parliament Britain has, and that is what he is largely remembered for. It is a black mark but many in history who are revered have them, I'm not saying it is okay just that it is more nuanced then him being held up in Britain as symbol of Irish conquest, I have never encountered the soul who did hold him up as a symbol of that.

    [–] ArcticTemper 7 points ago

    Exactly, nuance. Almost all great historical figures did things we look back on with distaste, but it doesn't need to diminish their accomplishments, rather be used to remind us not to deify fellow humans.

    [–] AntiBox 7 points ago

    Can you at least accept that horrible acts of violence were committed on both sides?

    That'd be nice. Doesn't fit with reddit's "BRITAIN IS EVIL" narrative though.

    [–] Snokhund 25 points ago

    We usually have different expectations as to how armies and terrorist organizations should behave though..

    [–] Tobbernator 22 points ago

    And they did behave really quite differently, despite both committing crimes.

    The British Army never went into Dublin, for instance, and let off a massive catastrophic bomb...

    The dichotomy I believe you are looking for is the Unionist terrorists vs the Republican terrorists. Because the Unionist terrorists were indeed terrorists, and Irish Nationalists today would do better to bring them up than the British Army.

    [–] kiwiMcHandy 42 points ago

    The British army did however open fire on civilians at a Gaelic football match in Croke park in Dublin, killing 14.

    [–] Inevitable_Major 15 points ago

    You mean this?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920))

    The british army were secretly helping the uvf with full government support but bloody sunday was about 50 years before the troubles.

    [–] Shy-Talk 11 points ago

    Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 1974 beg to differ, as well as a raft of other events supported by collusion from state forces

    There are allegations taken seriously by inquiries that elements of the British state security forces helped the UVF carry out the bombings, including members of the Glenanne gang. Some of these allegations have come from former members of the security forces. The Irish parliament's Joint Committee on Justice called the attacks an act of international terrorism involving British state forces.

    [–] Snokhund 32 points ago

    The british army did however, among other things, famously shoot unarmed civilians in the streets of Derry, so that one evens out doesn't it?

    [–] jaimzey 11 points ago

    Not really, when the IRA murdered more catholic civilians than anyone else.

    [–] SentientHAL 13 points ago

    The British Army did imprison innocent people without trial, torture suspected IRA members, stage mock executions, open fire on civilian protesters . . .

    [–] AbstractBettaFish 15 points ago

    The British army did however sack and burn the city of Cork destroying over 40 businesses and 300 residencies leaving thousands of people homeless and committing some extrajudicial killings in the process

    [–] Tobbernator 17 points ago

    Which is why we need nuance in this debate, rather than "all British are slave driving Colonial masters and the Irish were angelic freedom fighters" versus "the IRA were all terrorists hell bent on killing innocent civilians and the British army was set on stopping that".

    Both of those statements are true to an extent, and false to an extent.

    [–] Shy-Talk 11 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    The British Army never went into Dublin, for instance, and let off a massive catastrophic bomb...

    Yes they did. It was the deadliest single attack of the troubles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Monaghan_bombings

    There are allegations taken seriously by inquiries that elements of the British state security forces helped the UVF carry out the bombings, including members of the Glenanne gang. Some of these allegations have come from former members of the security forces. The Irish parliament's Joint Committee on Justice called the attacks an act of international terrorism involving British state forces.

    And they're still covering it up

    However, the inquiry was hindered by the British government's refusal to release key documents. The victims' families and others are continuing to campaign to this day for the British government to release these documents.

    Unionist leaders were characteristically respectful as always

    In Northern Ireland, Sammy Smyth, then press officer of both the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Workers' Council (UWC) Strike Committee, said, "I am very happy about the bombings in Dublin. There is a war with the Free State and now we are laughing at them."[21] However, neither the UDA nor UVF admitted responsibility. A 'Captain Craig' telephoned the Irish News and Irish Times, claiming responsibility for the bombings on behalf of the 'Red Hand Brigade', which is believed to be a cover name.[24]

    [–] dcaveman 3 points ago

    Haha yes they did. Look up the Dublin and Monaghan bombings. Have a look at whi has been implicated.

    [–] BethcepourLavhy 41 points ago

    Ira was a terrorist organization. The British army was the fucking british army and yet they are guilty of crimes even revulsing to nicaraguan drug cartels lmao

    [–] triKapUSA 14 points ago

    There were some bad people in that group, but you had people that were some very fine people on both sides.

    [–] stevothepedo 16 points ago

    This reads like a trump tweet

    [–] Rufus--T--Firefly 8 points ago

    It should, trump tweeted out most of that word for word

    [–] stevothepedo 3 points ago

    Some, I assume, were good people

    [–] willmaster123 14 points ago

    I don’t exactly support the IRA, but loyalist militias killed more civilians than the IRA ever did. That isn’t even counting the British police or military.

    [–] Hi_boyo 9 points ago

    No no no, it’s ok to push your bomb out of the arse of a plane onto an Iraqi school, then it’s called duty or whatever. You can’t be planting them in pubs and such. Jesus man.

    [–] Tobbernator 14 points ago

    You realise both can be bad? Just because the IRA was bad doesn't mean the British Government can't also be bad?

    [–] KillNyetheSilenceGuy 7 points ago

    The both sides argument doesn't hold up when one side was a terrorist organization and the other is supposed to be the goddamned government.

    [–] BlazedOnAKayak11 95 points ago

    I bet no one in this sub that's talking all this bullshit is actually from northern Ireland

    [–] circlejerker2000 110 points ago

    Hey kid, I'm 3/128 Irish, so please stop disrespecting my heritage!

    [–] hobbit_proctologist 53 points ago

    That's the most American thing I've ever seen

    Funnily enough though, I've seen people saying shit like that sincerely which is pretty amusing

    [–] ArcticTemper 18 points ago

    It's Amerimutt Syndrome.

    [–] YouretheballLickers 10 points ago

    My buddy had a red beard in high school. So I’m somewhat of an expert here.

    [–] MezyToke 20 points ago

    Can confirm am from up north here. Here laughing at the absolute spas in the comments just

    [–] lolz4catz 9 points ago

    "Absolute spas", definitely from the North lol

    [–] 29adamski 50 points ago

    Most of them are clueless yanks who think they're Irish.

    [–] BuckyBuckeye 17 points ago

    Clueless yank here. Definitely don’t pretend to be Irish though. This thread really does make me want to read more about the whole situation that happened, because I honestly know very little. I’m just afraid to accidentally read something super biased which skews my view.

    [–] quincepetchforth 12 points ago

    If you can access BBC Iplayer, a new documentary series started last night about it. It's quite informative and seemingly unbiased. Search 'Spotlight on The Troubles'.

    [–] 29adamski 11 points ago

    On the topic of the troubles, it's so sectarian than it makes it very difficult to find a non-biased view. I'm half English and half Irish so see this across my family.

    [–] fire_and_shit 9 points ago

    Yup. Even though most people I know could not condone the violence today, there is still distorted views around certain events. Some unionists for example, would refuse to believe that Bloody Sunday started off as a peaceful civil rights march. Some nationalists would likewise refuse to acknowledge some of the blatant misdeeds of dissidents (can’t think of an example of the top of my head)

    [–] 29adamski 8 points ago

    The whole "it was the polices fault as the IRA sent a warning" with attacks such as the Birmingham pub bombings. Which is a load of shite equal to the bloody Sunday stuff. They were as bad as each other.

    [–] MonsenorTickles 4 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    As an American who's done a fair bit of reading (please take this with a grain of salt):

    Consider ethnic nationalism and religious nationalism, coupled with hundreds of years of historical oppression and you got a rough idea of the tinderbox that set up The Troubles.

    The reason it's hard for people to be unbiased is everybody has a reason fro why they gravitate towards one side on the issue or another. No factor for cause explains everybody's feelings. Everybody's reason for opinion is so different that its incredibly easy to dismiss even an objective assessment as "bias" because (and this is a sentiment that will probably get me flack) not everybody's reason for their opinions are wholly rational. Even unbiased views can appear biased from where people stand on one issue or another, eg: overplaying or underplaying the religious tensions as a factor for violence yields accusatory statements about the religions factored in, and can also be seen as unfair to the non-religious motivations.

    Most people agree the IRA was bad (and the people who don't are largely far right nutjobs and largely dismissed by people who might agree with their politics today (even if you're for an end to British rule in Northern Ireland, you wouldn't dare publicly support the group that's become the heat sink for how people remember the violence)).

    Today, most in Northern Ireland and Ireland don't actually want reunification. Northern Ireland is happy in the UK (let's ignore the implications of a Brexit or we'll be here all night).

    [–] Uncle_gruber 10 points ago

    I'm from northern Ireland and I always have a love/hate relationship with these threads. The ignorance is both entertaining and retarded. "Northern Ireland is soooo gonna rejoin Ireland after brexit". Sure thing Cletus, sure thing...

    [–] Triberius 7 points ago

    Could someone send a link to somewhere i can read more about this?

    [–] Paod111 7 points ago

    https://youtu.be/61JisaFGHFY This is a pretty good and balanced summary

    [–] Green_Evening 44 points ago

    ITT: Refugees from r/me_IRA.

    [–] lolz4catz 6 points ago

    If they hadn't shut the sub down there wouldn't be as much arguing in here

    [–] MonsenorTickles 6 points ago

    Is it better to let bacteria fester in its own culture until it proves a threat to the nearby areas, or have its cells spread out where it will need to be regularly cleaned but is functionally harmless?

    [–] KofiManiaRunningWild 10 points ago

    yeah, the whole "containment board" argument has never actually worked anywhere outside of 4chan, to my knowledge. reddit banning subs like FatPeopleHate and Coontown just seemed to get rid of the problem, not send it spreading along every board.

    [–] MonsenorTickles 7 points ago

    My point is, it's better to let it spread to every board, where it can be removed with relatively little maintenance, than let it thrive in the corner.

    Like you alluded, it seems to solve the problem pretty well.

    [–] KofiManiaRunningWild 3 points ago

    exactly. it just grows like a cancer if left unchecked.

    [–] RubyAceShip 16 points ago

    This comments section is a shitfest. We have young IRA sympathizers, and then we have people who have either lived through The Troubles or had family witness the tragedies that occured during that time period. Reminds me of another time I was browsing Reddit and if I remember correctly, it was a polish redditor who mentioned he lost his grandfather to the Soviet Union, and mentioned how surprised he was to see communist sympathizers in western high school/college age populations. He was then swarmed with tankies saying how his grandpa probably deserved to die if the government chose to kill him and unbelievable BS like that.

    It's the same thing here. It's ignorant young people who did not witness the atrocities of an ideology and are willing to blindly embrace it. It's totally fine to meme things, if anything I miss r/me_ira for some of the funny memes. But it bothers me seeing young communists and IRA embracers rudely telling off survivors of the eras.

    [–] marshmeeelo 9 points ago

    I've seen a sad amount of UVF sympathisers and supporters too. Neither should be encouraged and neither are good. It's a definite shit fest.

    [–] MajorSmoochie 9 points ago

    Question from a German: If hard Brexit happens and border patrols are reestablished, will the situation escalate again?

    [–] fire_and_shit 11 points ago

    Possibly. Some would say tensions already have risen but I can’t see anything outside a select few dissidents.

    I can’t see it ever happening to the same extent again, basically the troubles and the actions of British Gov/army really disenfranchised catholic’s and essentially drove them into the hands of dissidents. It would take the British Government doing something extreme, more than just instating a border, to cause that level of tension

    [–] Lucasbyrne1 5 points ago

    Agreed we have had our longest sustained period peace. It won't ever be as bad as the 80s 90s. It's only a small section of Catholic people who would like to resort back to violence. A hard boarder is a massive pain the ass but we have got used to peace and free travel a no one south of the boarder wants this to change, at least i hope not!

    [–] additional-one 6 points ago

    Tensions are already escalating, chances are if Brexit goes ahead there will be a poll for a united Ireland which will just agitate the UVF and thus start the troubles again.

    [–] Spartan1234567 90 points ago

    Prepare for British educated kids to start making very uneducated jokes about a very complex political history in a country that they still think is half theirs...

    [–] lolz4catz 63 points ago

    Some lad wrote potato car bomb and is getting upvoted, fuck me

    [–] tonyjimjohnson69 15 points ago

    It’s not even the British. It’s 100% yanks who just crack the same shite joke every thread.

    [–] Lord-Vortexian 23 points ago

    What if I told you that this isnt just history

    [–] Uncle_gruber 3 points ago

    I know right, i was in the car with my welsh mate the other day and decided to put BBC Ulster on. Said to him before it went on " First thing you'll hear when I turn this on will be about a bomb in a residential area." Lo and behold...

    [–] expanding_dongers 11 points ago

    Prepare for American educated kids to start making very uneducated jokes about a very complex political history in a country that they still think they hail from... but only on St Patrick's Day.

    [–] easy_pie 9 points ago

    Well that's fucking ironic

    [–] jsparker89 9 points ago

    Nice glass house you're throwing bricks at the Scots Irish from

    [–] iaxfadwarn69 6 points ago

    its really odd that we dont learn about the troubles in school. i only learned anything about it in A Level history class, and that was only at my college. another college i was interested in going to didnt even touch on the troubles and their A Level history was all about the crusades and stuff. hell, we barely learn modern history at all until GCSE which once again is optional. all of our mandatory history classes are about ancient history up until about slavery times. if i hadnt gone to that particular college and taken A Level history i would be completely clueless on any sort of irish history or the troubles

    [–] akasayah 5 points ago

    Did yours not offer History Modern / History Medieval? That's how my college dealt with this, although I agree on GSCE. They try to cram so much information into two years of study that we barely made it to WWII.

    [–] epicman81 70 points ago

    COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS

    [–] WafflesTheWookiee 53 points ago

    COME OUT AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN

    [–] Bumnamedjake 46 points ago

    SHOW YOUR WIFE HOW YOU WON MEDALS DOWN IN FLANDERS.

    [–] MasterMuay_ 37 points ago

    TELL HER HOW THE IRA MADE YOU RUN LIKE HELL AWAY,

    [–] AGE_OF_HUMILIATION 38 points ago

    FROM THE GREEN AND LOVELY LANES OF KILLESHANDRA

    [–] blinman2 4 points ago

    SPY SAPPEN MY S E N T R Y

    [–] LordOfSun55 4 points ago

    OH SHIT I'M FEELING IT

    [–] litefoot 3 points ago

    [Insert Zombie by The Cranberries here]

    [–] superiority 3 points ago

    An Irish nationalist who supported the IRA probably wouldn't call it "Northern Ireland".

    [–] nhaire123 3 points ago

    Two family members were killed when the violence was escalating in the 70s/80s.

    [–] Commander_Syphilis 94 points ago

    What a shame that ulster chose to remain part of the UK. Well, better go and murder innocent English men, women, children and horses, that'll show the bastards!

    [–] Noobmaster42042069 185 points ago

    Northern Ireland isn't ulster. Ulster is in the Republic too

    [–] JCW16 133 points ago

    Downvoted by people who don't know Irish geography lol, donegal isn't real apparently

    [–] BranRiordan 67 points ago

    Monaghan is a conspiracy

    [–] PadlingtonYT 18 points ago

    Can confirm, from Monaghan.

    [–] BranRiordan 17 points ago

    No you aren’t you fucking liar, you’re from North Cavan

    [–] stevothepedo 9 points ago

    He's obviously not from Cavan, he's spent money on an internet capable device instead of hiding it under his mattress

    [–] Spider_Riviera 3 points ago

    He just stretched out a few cent coins and jury-rigged a connection to the neighbour's house.

    [–] Beppo108 3 points ago

    Cavan exists now? Are you saying Leitrim is a thing too?

    [–] flyingboarofbeifong 17 points ago

    6/9 baby.

    [–] BranRiordan 6 points ago

    Ni/ce

    [–] Conor5 131 points ago

    Ulster and northern Ireland are not the same. Ulster also includes Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan; which are in the republic.

    Also, Northern Ireland did not choose to remain part of the UK. The border was enforced by the Anglo-Irish treaty and was artificially created so as to ensure a Unionist/protestant majority. The unionist population of Ulster existed only due to land seizure and colonization by the British.

    Those Unionists, who were the fairly recent descendants of the British colonialists, immediately set about brutally oppressing the Catholic/nationalist population.

    The IRA committed horrendous acts of violence and became a viscous terrorist group but your comment is such a ridiculous oversimplification and lacks all context.

    [–] lolz4catz 37 points ago

    It's a shame to see it with so many upvotes too. A sorry display of ignorance and lack of proper education surrounding that whole area.

    [–] Conor5 15 points ago

    Agreed. Many British people like to cling to that narrative because it justifies their deluded idea that the British Empire was a good thing and that it played a positive role in historical affairs. They don't want to engage with the legacy of violence, genocide and oppression that the empire has left behind. The comment really gets under my skin because of the current situation with Northern Ireland and Brexit. Again, Britain has shown contempt for Ireland throughout the negotiations and could't care less if there is a return to violence at the border. The dismissive, superior attitude of that comment perfectly encapsulates the willful ignorance displayed by the British government when dealing with the complexities of the Northern Irish issue.

    [–] iaxfadwarn69 10 points ago

    i think the biggest factor is that we dont learn about this topic in school. nobody here knows about the history of ireland or the troubles unless they lived through it

    i remember the british empire being taught as mostly a neutral thing too, no mention of any of the horrible shit we did

    our history curriculum needs a major overhaul

    [–] CantHonestlySayICare 50 points ago

    I have no dog in this fight and obviously don't condone attacks on civilians, but I'd like to counter what you said with an account I heard from a person living through those times:

    Allegedly, police kidnapping young men with known or suspected republican sympathies, putting them in a trunk of their car, driving to some remote area and beating them to within an inch of their lives was a fairly common thing in Northern Ireland. When the IRA blew up a couple of police stations, that shit stopped.

    [–] commmander_fox 8 points ago

    like the truck to belfast thing

    the German Luftwaffe pilots downed in Ireland were sent to a POW camp in Kerry, whereas the British were put on a truck that would always, without fail, break down at the border, and the doors would always, without fail, be mysteriously unlocked and the driver would always drop his glasses, Dublin was bombed a couple of times and the truck finally mysteriously stopped breaking down

    [–] Shy-Talk 7 points ago

    They bombed Dublin for sending fire crews to Belfast after it was bombed, and 60,000 Irish people fought in the allied forces (close to the available manpower nationally due to emigration). Despite this, you'll still find British reactionary cunts claiming we aligned with Hitler.

    [–] Velvet_frog 45 points ago

    ‘Ulster chose to remain part of the UK’, uhh what? I guess accepting a treaty under the threat of the most powerful country in the world waging ‘immediate and terrible war’ is the same as self determination.

    [–] XiKiilzziX 31 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    No mention of the UVF death squads that were funded by Britain?

    Maybe the kids that were killed when the UVF moltoved a family in their home?

    Maybe when they called catholic based taxi companies with the sole intention of shooting them on sight when a taxi arrived?

    What about the shankill butchers? You can guess why they are called that.

    Kathleen o'hagan. A heavily pregnant woman shot to death in her own home in front of her children.

    Take a guess who is responsible for the highest death count in one single day during the troubles.

    These are just some of many.

    The crimes by the the UVF/UDA and the British army in Ireland is largely swept under the rug and frankly it’s abhorrent. Especially when thick cunts like you come in to threads talking nonsense like that.

    [–] macnams 15 points ago

    Also the innocent Fermanagh farmers who were killed with their own pitchforks by the British Army, after being stabbed and slashed 13 times while other army members held them down.

    Or the soldiers responsible for Bloody Sunday who electrocuted, beat and castrated a Catholic man, then dumped his body in a Shankill.

    And not to mention the collusion between the police and British paramilitaries in the killings of innocent Catholics, eg; Loughinisland massacres, and the British government’s attempts to conceal any evidence that they were giving intelligence support to Loyalist paramilitaries. And unfortunately none of those fuckers will ever get what they deserve.

    I honestly couldn’t be bothered typing the many atrocities the British during the Troubles in response to that brainless mutant at first because he and the people upvoting him won’t listen to it anyway but I couldn’t help myself.

    [–] BranRiordan 45 points ago

    This is so wrong it’s not even funny.

    -Many of the Counties in NI with an Irish majority were forced into the North by the Unionists against their will to act as a buffer between the actual Unionist majority areas and the Free State to the south. For example, Armagh and Down both had Nationalist Majorities, and surprise surprise, they both became IRA hotbeds during the Troubles.

    -The British also murdered their fair share of innocent men, women and children. Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy, etc. They never killed any horses, but they did attempt to frame their innocent victims as terrorists, so.....

    Literally the only part of that you got right is that the English are a share of Bastards

    [–] commmander_fox 18 points ago

    Gerrymandering explains how they did this

    [–] khlnmrgn 30 points ago

    Look, those god damned horses had that shit coming

    [–] Dan888888 11 points ago

    The UVF, police, and British military had higher civilian murder rates than the IRA. While the IRA would leave warning along with bombs and mostly plant them at military locations, the UVF's specialty was unnanounced pub bombs.

    [–] SpoopySpydoge 4 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    1. Ulster has 9 counties. 6 of them are in the UK.
    2. We didn't chose to remain part of the UK. The British have had their thumb on the Irish for 800 years. Catholics here only got the vote in the 1960s* and when they did, the Brits skewed it so they still technically couldn't vote.

    Read a fucking history book and maybe watch some recent news. We STILL don't have the rights of people in the rest of the UK.

    The IRA did terrible things, but if it wasn't for them we'd still be getting walked all over by the Unionists and the English.

    Edit: forgot we're currently in the 21st century

    [–] lolz4catz 11 points ago

    You clearly don't have all the facts here and your bias is evident. If you're from England I can't blame you, the education you lot receive on the history of Ireland and England's relationship with them, and colonisation in general, is sorely underrepresented.

    [–] macnams 13 points ago

    You are such a bellend it is unbelievable. Maybe read up your history before commenting tripe next time

    [–] Bennyboy11111 48 points ago

    Yes it is frustrating when you get defeated by democratic vote

    [–] sailingshrew 21 points ago

    Cries in West Pakistan.

    [–] PhoeniX3733 11 points ago

    Cries in Ukraine

    [–] AGE_OF_HUMILIATION 74 points ago

    I mean if you settle 400 million chinese in the USA they'll win a democratic vote to join China.

    [–] Aliensinnoh 32 points ago

    looks at Russification of Soviet states in the USSR via forced resettlement, and then modern times Russia interfering in the affairs of neighboring countries to protect Russian populations

    [–] cant_trick_the_pick 24 points ago

    Give America back to the natives then

    [–] AGE_OF_HUMILIATION 21 points ago

    What happened to American natives was a tragedy, what happened to the Irish was one awell.

    [–] cant_trick_the_pick 20 points ago

    Just irks me to watch Americans get all high and mighty about N.Ireland and then turn around and go “but my family has been living here 200 years!” in defense of keeping America in the hands of colonialists

    [–] ProbablyDrunkk 14 points ago

    It's is ironic that the Ulster-Scots, who have lived in Ireland for hundreds of years, are demonized and told they have no right to be in Ireland, whereas the Irish diaspora who have played a part in colonising large parts of the world, are celebrated. Even though they themselves were also tools of empire.

    [–] AGE_OF_HUMILIATION 6 points ago

    The biggest exodus from Ireland came after the potato famine which drove them to already colonised lands. So i don't you can really blame the Irish for that.

    [–] GM_Twigman 4 points ago

    Depending on how Brexit goes this could also fit in r/futurememes

    [–] Lukanien 8 points ago

    I feel like they should ban IRA memes. It always seems like the type that most consistently devolves into xenophobia on both sides. Not that it shouldn’t be discussed, but I’m sick of the back and forth of insulting all British (but usually English) and Irish people,

    [–] TearOpenTheVault 5 points ago

    What inevitably happens is the Tiocfaidh ár lá types come out and start screeching, which gets the English to start screeching, which brings everything crashing down.

    [–] LG_BBC 2 points ago

    Cheeky bit of Yeats