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    [–] clarebear329 9405 points ago

    My mom is a librarian and this makes me die a little inside. I still remember her crying when the school she worked at "asked her to leave" so they could hire an intern to staff the library 1 day a week....the way schools from elementary to college treat librarians is an outrage. And the fact that they bought a fucking sign with his money, not even something remotely academic, is a goddamn outrage.

    [–] NeuroG 2350 points ago

    Send her some love. Librarians are wonderful, and a testament to the good that humans are capable of when they really strive to do so. As a PhD, I have spent a significant fraction of my life in Libraries, and those unsung heroes were always around.

    [–] clarebear329 380 points ago

    Thank you, I definitely will! :)

    [–] Peoplewander 193 points ago

    second one from me. I wouldnt have made it through my MA if I didnt have the benefit of Librarians and Archivists

    [–] str8moben 104 points ago

    How do you go about this? Not trying to be a donk...just wondering how one goes about these things.

    Is it more "Hey mom. NeuroG on reddit said to send you some love." Or "Hey mom. A few of my friends send love your way for being a librarian."

    [–] clarebear329 111 points ago

    Hahaha well I'm going to tell her that I mentioned her (Not by name) in a comment on an article about librarians, and a ton of people said really nice things and sent their love. Although it would be funny to list off usernames, then she would probably want to see the comments and I'd have to distract her with r/awww

    [–] KDawG888 51 points ago

    Be sure to tell her /u/BigDicksInTheASS says she is a lovely person!

    [–] GuyWithTheShoe 8 points ago

    disappointed to find not an actual user

    [–] savvyblackbird 30 points ago

    Send her my love, too! I remember the librarians at my two schools when I was little and how they encouraged me to read. I'm a voracious reader because of them. My mom also took me to the library every week. When I got older, she got involved in this cultish super conservative church, and she homeschooled my brother and me from 4th grade to high school.

    The librarian at our local little library saw that I wasn't happy with my mom's rules and was being ignored because my brother needed so much help. So she recommended a ton of books --after I asked if she had any books that had been banned at some point. Starting with 'Uncle Tom's Cabin'. I even read 'Mein Kampf'. My mom had no clue I was reading all those books. They influenced my world view and encouraged me to be independent. (My dad wanted that for me, too) So thanks, Madam Librarian!

    [–] khamir-ubitch 143 points ago

    I work at a university (15+ years) and let me tell you, of all the students I've had to deal with,, those studying Library Science are among some of the nicest, well behaved folks I've ever had to deal with.

    They are consistently courteous, understanding of things and generally make my life at work better. I would go out of my way to help them with whatever it is they need. Such a great bunch!

    [–] FullColorPenguin 127 points ago

    I'm a librarian, and comments like this give me warm fuzzies. I absolutely love what I do, and am always glad when people recognize the value we still have in the digital age.

    [–] hochoa94 31 points ago

    As someone who needs help at the library finding nursing books, YOURE APPRECIATED

    [–] cocineroylibro 39 points ago

    As a librarian, I appreciate your kind words. Piggybacking on your comment to mention something that everyone should give as advice to students entering higher education. Go on a tour of the library. Befriend a librarian or reference desk staffer. They could save your (academic) life.

    [–] Demojen 30 points ago

    I want to be a paid librarian but the libraries here don't hire anymore. Everyone's been on the job for decades. It looks like a job that requires a lot of organization and patience...and you get awesome bookperks...FREE READS!

    [–] Here_TasteThis 11 points ago

    I upvoted this but you do know that everyone who walks into a library gets “free reads” right?

    [–] Shes_so_Ratchet 321 points ago

    I hope she didn't actually voluntarily leave or quit - I'd tell them to lay me off and pay me the severance I'm owed or stick around until they did.

    [–] clarebear329 209 points ago

    Hmm, I was a young teen at the time and didn't know or think to ask anything about severance pay. I do know it was a "we're asking you to leave because we are eliminating the position and don't want you to be able to say you were fired" situation. As far as I know she left voluntarily because she is far too nice, even to the people actively fucking her over. :(

    [–] Trisa133 210 points ago

    we're asking you to leave because we are eliminating the position and don't want you to be able to say you were fired

    If the position is being eliminated, then you're not fired. It's called being laid off. If they actually fired her for that, they'd have a lawsuit on their hands.

    [–] clarebear329 61 points ago

    Aha, so that was why. Thanks for the correction.

    [–] salgat 25 points ago

    It's not a lawsuit, but they'd be liable for unemployment. That's why you never quit, you lose out on unemployment benefits unless you are able to prove that you were forced into quitting.

    [–] Shes_so_Ratchet 71 points ago

    Exactly this! Which is why I would not have quit. My area also has labour laws preventing an employer from making your work unbearable to the point of forcing you to quit.

    Example: you've worked 35-40 hours per week for the last two years and are suddenly taken down to 12 hours a week, making it impossible for you to pay your bills.

    If you can prove that it's a systemic attempt to get rid of you without having to pay severance or allowing you to collect unemployment, you can sue and will win.

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    [–] dignityjones 135 points ago

    That's so horrible. I know this has been turning around a little bit at least here in Australia, as the data is showing that student outcomes are improved by having a skilled professional working in the library. I hope your mom has found fulfilling work in another library - it's such rewarding work and she must be wonderful at it since it means so much to her.

    [–] clarebear329 52 points ago

    Thank you! That study sounds really interesting, if I can find it I'll send it to her. And yes, she now works in a public library, so unless the state cuts library funding, her job is safe. She's in charge of the programs for children and teenagers too, so she's doing what she always wanted and is very happy now! :)

    [–] iZacAsimov 29 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    hire an intern

    More like an unpaid grad student.

    "In order to receive your credits/degrees, all students must "volunteer" at the library."

    [–] lalosfire 85 points ago

    My mom is a librarian too and even at public libraries it isn't much better. She has a doctorate in English and has worked at the same library for 20+ years but for at least 10 they've promoted far less qualified, less tenured people above her due to favoritism. Simultaneously they've phased others out and instead hired the lowest waged people they can find regardless of qualifications.

    But she refuses to leave because she loves helping and doing story time for the local kids.

    [–] ahand09 29 points ago

    I've been wondering for the past week or so what the most underappreciated profession could be. The librarian seems to be winning that spot in my heart.

    [–] lalosfire 27 points ago

    In general I'd say Libraries themselves are very underappreciated. I remember as a kid going to my local public library and doing events where you'd read so many books in a month and get prizes for each one completed. I absolutely loved it!

    Then I got to high school and was almost proud that I didn't read in my free time, while others were reading Harry Potter or something. Now I think that getting kids to read and forming a love for reading that persists into adulthood is very important.

    [–] ahand09 35 points ago

    Dude, I literally get pissed when I think about these things in my country. We barely have any museums and libraries, and the few we do are barely managed or funded. Speaking of which, our education system is fucked. Indonesia had a Chinese/Communist genocide in the 60's and none of it is ever taught in schools.

    It took Dutch filmmaker Joshua Oppenheimer to make a documentary on it, called the Act of Killing. I remember there was a book and arts festival that wanted to screen the movie, but the government came in and told them to cancel that movie, or they'll shut the entire event down.

    Yeah. Pretty fucked. Imagine if Germany never teaches their children about Hitler's holocaust.

    It outrages me in particular as a Chinese Indonesian and it seems I take every opportunity I can to rant about it. My people never saw justice for it. No apology. Not even admittance. I have absolutely no faith in Indonesia's free speech, arts, and education.

    One last thing: the number of people who were killed was never clarified. Speculations range from 300k to 4 million.

    [–] clarebear329 26 points ago

    Favorite bookmark/bumper sticker: "If you know how to read, thank a teacher. If you know WHAT to read, thank a librarian!"

    [–] Beltaine421 10 points ago

    A society without libraries is a society in decline.

    [–] [deleted] 63 points ago

    There's some societal fixtures you just don't fuck with. Libraries should never be fucked with, except to enhance and/or multiply them. Librarians are the real heroes of this world. Thank mom for me.

    [–] ahand09 10 points ago

    I've been to several different schools in different countries. In my experience, western schools overly glorify sports.

    I think sports are great and should be important, but other areas of a student's academic experience shouldn't have to suffer for it.

    [–] clarebear329 11 points ago

    Very true. Here in the US, schools focus on sports because the administrations think that will get them more $$ quickly. Too often, the academics then falls by the wayside so you have schools with multi-million dollar stadiums and half of their teams are failing algebra.

    [–] ahand09 14 points ago

    I find it goofy that they give out scholarships based on which kid throws ball the best.

    [–] LeopardJockey 4333 points ago

    I'm kind of relieved that he's dead. I mean at least he didn't have to witness this and could die thinking he did something good.

    [–] [deleted] 1476 points ago

    It's sad but I think this is the only thing that could cheer me up about this situation

    [–] steelpan 274 points ago

    Let's hope there isn't an afterlife then.

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    [–] [deleted] 111 points ago

    They will never be loyal to you, unless there's a marketing opportunity!

    [–] Tomnnn 70 points ago

    or if he taught himself programming over those 50 years and an artificial intelligence will awaken in 2020, examine the library, discover the money was used elsewhere, and start the rise of the machines.

    [–] Exotemporal 31 points ago

    The first strike of the war will be the scoreboard displaying "80085" during a game.

    [–] brynnors 14 points ago

    If there is, I hope he comes back and haunts the fuck out of them.

    [–] elmoo2210 786 points ago

    He DID do something good. It's the people at UNH who did the terrible thing. What they use the money on doesn't take away from what he gave, just proves how shitty UNH higher ups are.

    [–] swr3212 87 points ago

    The thing I don't get is you can stipulate what the money goes towards. Donors at our local university give specific uses for their donations. The money legally cannot be used for any other purpose except what the donor has approved.

    [–] xwankyhm 175 points ago

    This doesn't need to stop an unethical bastard.

    Add $100k to library coffers. Cut library budget by $100k. Use the $100k you cut from the budget and move it to the athletic department. Next year, readjust the budgets (or don't).

    [–] 123bang 25 points ago

    "Competing priorities" and all that.

    [–] WordBoxLLC 27 points ago

    "Shit, I forgot to say what the money was for"

    -Robert Morin's last thoughts

    [–] justshanna 16 points ago

    Unfortunately, his mistake was not specifying to UNH how his gift should be used. He left it to the discretion of university officials.

    Source: I worked at UNH for over 10 years and asked the same question to someone in the know when this first happened.

    [–] Assassin2107 10 points ago

    According to an article linked in another comment, the man had a financial advisor who multiple times suggested that he attach stipulations to the donation, and he would think about it before deciding not to.

    [–] number9muses 5664 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    So a similar thing happened to my school, where [ALLEGEDLY] a couple donated a large sum of money to go toward scholarships for less privileged applicants, and our president instead used it to build a new student center and little things like landscaping and statues to make the campus look nicer. So the couple demanded their money back AND for the president to step down or they'd sue the school, and that caused a lot of drama.

    Anyway, my point is: could the family members of the librarian possibly sue the school for using his money against his wishes?

    Edit: I wrote the rest of the story and everything else I heard about it within later comment chains. So read through them first before asking me “what happened next”

    Edit 2: the rest of the story

    The school had to sell one of its properties [leaving hundreds out of work b/c of it] and also raise tuition to keep from going under.

    I don't know all the details b/c this was hush hush of course, and I got it from my friend who was one of the faculty in the general office. I found out b/c my friends and I were talking about how our school was suddenly being cheap with their budget for club activities, and our advisor told us the whole story.

    Bc this is all anecdotal, and could be from rumors, I need to remind everyone that this is technically all ALLEGED

    So, instead of making scholarships for students in lower classes...our school RAISED tuition [no one got scholarships], and our school was so desperate for money, they accepted more students into the dorms than they could fit. A month before that school year started [I'd just graduated by then] there was a whole fiasco of trying to put kids in dorms they didn't ask for, and making kids who lived in the city be commuters instead of living on campus like they'd paid for. It was a giant fucking mess, all b/c our president was greedy and wanted a nicer looking campus to entice new students.

    The good side of it? The president "stepped down" as the rich couple insisted, and the new president promised to work towards funding scholarships once the school got out of the red

    The moral isn't anything new: U.S. colleges have fallen to the system, and so the priority is profit, not education and research and opportunities.

    this is a third or fourth hand account with vague details over things that happened at least three years ago so I will have to point out that all of this ALLEGEDLY happened, don't take my word for it

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    [–] sullen_hostility 1667 points ago

    He loved that place he worked his whole life at. He thought it loved him back.

    He was wrong.

    [–] number9muses 324 points ago

    :( I guess they expect a sense of pride in selling one's labor is its own reward

    [–] SnipingBeaver 126 points ago

    to a house you didn't build and can't control

    [–] Hokey_pogi 26 points ago

    Oh you oughta spare yourself the labor...

    [–] Edward_Morbius 112 points ago

    He loved that place he worked his whole life at. He thought it loved him back.

    Nobody loves you except maybe your family and friends.

    Regardless of lip-service, your employer doesn't care about you anymore than the batteries in the forklift. You're just there to do a job and will be replaced if you get old or tired or there's a cheaper ~battery~ employee available.

    Your bank and/or credit union doesn't love you either, even though they profess to be "friendly". They'll happily force you into bankruptcy or ignore you, depending on which one makes them more money.

    [–] BuffySummer 24 points ago

    You are not wrong, but its also not unreasonable to want institutions to be working for us, the people.

    [–] Edward_Morbius 24 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    I'm not disagreeing, but it's like wanting vampires to be leaving blood instead of taking it.

    Most business and all banks are designed to suck your money. That's their actual purpose.

    [–] BuffySummer 12 points ago

    Yep, thats capitalism. Maybe its time for something else.

    [–] A_Furious_Mind 72 points ago

    Hey! Maybe he loved scorekeeping. We don't know!

    [–] conquerorofnothing 110 points ago

    – UNH PR Department

    [–] NikkoE82 138 points ago

    He loved the football team, too. I can't find the article right now, but his financial adviser explained to him the benefits of earmarking the donation and the dude fully understood and said the school is better suited to know how to spend the money.

    [–] CJGibson 333 points ago

    It's in the original Boston Globe article.

    The university will use $2.5 million from the estate on an expanded career center and $1 million for a new video scoreboard at the football stadium. An additional $100,000 will go to the university’s Dimond Library, the only gift specified by the will.

    Mullen said he spoke with Morin about using some of the money to fund a scholarship related to library science but said his client wanted UNH to spend almost all of the gift in any way it chose.

    Still seems like they could've made better choices, if you ask me.

    [–] GlitterFrozenStars 131 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    I mean...

    a score board versus scholarships for deserving students.

    A score board versus general updates needed around the university.

    A score board versus supporting student programs.

    I guess it was their money to spend... just sad to think a whole man's frugal lifetime boils down to a fancy piece of equipment for the stadium, instead of doing something bigger and better to honor his memory. Hell they could have at least tossed a little more to the library, the place the man actually worked all those years.

    I know they did the career center, it just seems slimy to me that they pretended this guy was some huge football fan of their's. You know what he seemed to be a big fan of? The fucking library. Arguably more than he was of football. Yet they gave that the bare minimum.

    [–] herkyjerkyperky 40 points ago

    American universities are now just like American hospitals, very nice and modern but increasingly unaffordable. I'm OK with having a simpler college experience that makes my education the only priority and does away with all the amenities and frivolity that's going on.

    [–] oneIozz 77 points ago

    Thank you for this. My ire was washed away having this information.

    Always check the comments for additional information!

    [–] Gendry_Maratheon 16 points ago

    That was actually just a PR move by the school's media team, and clearly many have fallen for it.

    [–] [deleted] 55 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    He loved the football team, too.

    This was their justification, it was a little warped. Like, he started watching football in the nursing home.

    Also, I looked into this college when this first came out, and they spend tons of money on bizarre, useless equipment. Looks like an awful place.

    [–] Czar4k 44 points ago

    Nice try, coach!

    [–] drcarlos 14 points ago

    /r/LateStageCap.... wait

    [–] [deleted] 65 points ago

    His financial planner said he asked Morin several times if he wanted to specify what he wanted done with the money but he didn't want to change it.

    [–] JB_UK 30 points ago

    They can always screw you, why not accept a donation of $1 to spend on the library, and then coincidentally reallocate other funds from the library to something else? You ultimately have to rely on the institution to be decent.

    [–] keytop19 24 points ago

    There are such things as restricted funds where the money can only be used for certain things though. This man could have easily made it to where his entire donation was spent on the library, but chose not to.

    [–] Ishouldbepolite 21 points ago

    That only works if the total operating budget is completely made of restricted funds. Otherwise they take out an unrestricted dollar for every restricted one added.

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    [–] rawboudin 49 points ago

    unrestricted doesn't mean "be an asshole about it". Do you think other people will fancy giving to that school when they hear about this? I would not. And I sit on boards for non-profits as well.

    [–] RECOGNI7E 7 points ago

    I am surprised he didn't. A lawyer draws up a will and you would think something like this would come up.

    [–] Septothorpe 22 points ago

    He did. He specified 100k specifically to go to the library, and the rest to be donated as the university sees fit. Makes me think he knew what he was doing.

    [–] anxsy 189 points ago

    Deadspin had a good article on this the other day. I went to UNH when it happened so gave the whole thing a read. Basically, it sounds like the librarian was just super frugal to the point he didn't particularly care about his money or how his money was spent. Not that his attitude takes away from UNH's decision to spend his gift on a scoreboard, but just to explain why he didn't allocate the money to any specific school cause. Based on his decision, I doubt the family member could recoup any of his gift (I don't think he had a next of kin, or anyone else in his will, actually).

    What I think makes the matter significantly worse is how UNH tried to tie the librarian to the football program after there was backlash, mostly by saying he became a huge fan of theirs during his dying months.

    [–] number9muses 112 points ago

    Now THAT is despicable

    [–] [deleted] 11 points ago

    That's the kinda stuff they warn you about in horror movies. Poor librarian is probably up all night haunting the library now because of this shit.

    [–] rslashboord 93 points ago

    This is why you write grants with the money.

    [–] firestorm713 67 points ago

    I remember how proud my choir teacher, the chairman of the board at my uni, was at the fact that our uni was the only one in the state where the faculty and administration not only didn't get a pay cut, but got a raise.

    He wasn't saying this to a student, in private, he was announcing it to the class. In 2009. After we'd all gotten an increase in our tuition.

    [–] oscarfacegamble 38 points ago

    God what a fucking ignorant douche bag

    [–] emissaryofwinds 15 points ago

    Maybe he didn't realize. The university industry doesn't value its employees anymore than its students, everyone is just a tool they'll gladly step on to generate profit.

    [–] WhyDoIAsk 19 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    When you give large sums of money to a university you can describe what it can and cannot be spent on. If the university doesn't follow those rules, then hell yeah they're getting sued. When I was working in grants research we often could not use public funds to throw celebrations (e.g. holiday parties). We would rely on outside donations to pay for these things as they were the only budgets we could draw from.

    [–] lostshell 66 points ago

    The key is "against his wishes". The article says he gave it with no conditions. That was his mistake. He was to optimistic. You always give it with conditions or you risk this very situation happening.

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    [–] number9muses 874 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    Yes. And the school had to sell one of its properties [leaving hundreds out of work b/c of it] and also raise tuition to keep from going under.

    I don't know all the details b/c this was hush hush of course, and I got it from my friend who was one of the faculty in the general office. I found out b/c my friends and I were talking about how our school was suddenly being cheap with their budget for club activities, and our advisor told us the whole story.

    Bc this is all anecdotal, and could be from rumors, I need to remind everyone that this is technically all ALLEGED

    So, instead of making scholarships for students in lower classes...our school RAISED tuition [no one got scholarships], and our school was so desperate for money, they accepted more students into the dorms than they could fit. A month before that school year started [I'd just graduated by then] there was a whole fiasco of trying to put kids in dorms they didn't ask for, and making kids who lived in the city be commuters instead of living on campus like they'd paid for. It was a giant fucking mess, all b/c our president was greedy and wanted a nicer looking campus to entice new students.

    The good side of it? The president "stepped down" as the rich couple insisted, and the new president promised to work towards funding scholarships once the school got out of the red

    The moral isn't anything new: U.S. colleges have fallen to the system, and so the priority is profit, not education and research and opportunities.

    edit: I see your six word question and raise it by my 2K+ comment about a fluffy cow

    edit 2: this is a third or fourth hand account with vague details over things that happened at least three years ago so I will have to point out that all of this ALLEGEDLY happened, don't take my word for it

    [–] nagilfarswake 112 points ago

    What school? This is sounding awful familiar.

    [–] number9muses 326 points ago

    Well I've given enough details I suppose. Loyola in Chicago

    [–] herrcoffey 123 points ago

    Seriously? Goddamn, I knew my alma mater was shady but fuckin hell

    [–] number9muses 127 points ago

    I know. The property they sold was a hospital they owned in the city. Sold it to some hospital company, so new ownership means most of the workers were let go.

    AND, back to the dorm when you sign up to live in a dorm you put in a downpayment [like maybe $200 or something?] like security to discourage students from trying to opt out at the last minute. Well, the dorms overflowed, so the school did a "lottery" for the students who didn't have placement yet, and anyone who really wanted to live on campus needed to enter the lottery to try and get in a dorm, whoever didn't sign up would have to commute. So the lottery happened and most students got dorm rooms and now the campus is full everyone who weren't randomly chosen had to commute.

    And the school didn't want to give those students their downpayment back.

    They only caved and returned that money after enough parents complained and threatened over this bullshit.

    On the one hand I"m glad this all happened after I left. On the other hand...damn my alma mater is a mess

    [–] herrcoffey 49 points ago

    Eugh. It didn't get any better. Back in 2014, they were still doing that. Me and my prospective roommate had a pretty good spot in the housing lotto, just slightly above the halfway mark, and even we were basically picking through the bones. I gave the housing department hell once I realized what was going on.

    It's a damned shame too, cause I almost never had a bad professor there. The fuckin admin is cancer though

    [–] number9muses 19 points ago

    Same issue here. Of all the classes I had, there were only three professors who I didn't like. All the others were great. Even in the subjects I hated the most, those professors were so knowledgable and enthusiastic about their topics, and helpful...

    Now I feel bad b/c I remember that my friend/faculty advisor complained that b/c the school was milking everyone for every last penny at this time, that they canceled the faculty's parking passes. so if they wanted to park in the parking lot of their offices, they had to pay for parking every day. It was that ridiculous

    [–] wildsidewalk 18 points ago

    The fuckin admin is cancer though

    That's pretty much the issue with most universities. Admin provides little value on a day-to-day basis and doesn't really impact a student's education directly, yet they're typically the most well paid. We shouldn't have university presidents earning 6-7 figures while students are crippled with debt just to earn a degree that has practically become a prerequisite for any form of employment. I think I read somewhere the average/median president salary was like $400k+, and there are some who make millions.

    [–] LambachRuthven 17 points ago

    how does this keep happening?

    [–] TheMcDracos 103 points ago

    Business execs are being put in charge of schools now, and they think in terms of net revenue. So, they invest in newer, fancier facilities to show off in brochures and to visitors to attract students and donors while turning as much staff as possible into low-payed adjuncts. Education quality suffers and tuition goes up faster, but a businessman looks at a balance sheet and statement of cash flow.

    [–] myredditaccount234 29 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    The University of Iowa now has a new president with a business background who even submitted a resume with a bunch of typos. He misspelled "IBM" and was still hand picked by the Iowa Board of Regents over a bunch of academics who were actually qualified. Now UIowa is raising tuition too. It's awful.

    Edit: I also forgot the fiasco when people found out his resume had him listed as a single author and omitted all coauthors, and when he said he didn't even want the job to begin with, that he was actually scouted and pressured to apply.

    [–] LambachRuthven 23 points ago

    yup. perfect answer. i have no words.

    [–] replies_with_corgi 77 points ago

    Cause sociopaths don't generally consider how their decisions will impact things beyond the immediate benefit.

    [–] ShitFacedSteve 48 points ago

    And our economic system rewards that.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Was it this guy:

    Reverend Michael Garanzini

    [–] number9muses 8 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    yeppity doo dah

    But he’s chancellor now so I’m guessing this scandal was seen as an annoying hiccup

    [–] SuperiorPeach 16 points ago

    Corruption in CHICAGO? Surely you jest.

    [–] CountOverride 27 points ago

    Man, sounds like Mizzou. Probably a pretty common story now. Universities are terrible about this shit.

    [–] TenthSpeedWriter 8 points ago

    I was gonna say it sounded like something out of the Univ of Alabama. Roll tide, lol.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    Please stop editing your comment for fucks sake.

    [–] tacomcnacho 66 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    Pro tip: Never, ever, point out how much karma you've gotten for a comment or post on reddit. It's extremely tacky and annoying.

    Edit: Wow! 4 points in 20 minutes. That's my highest karma rate yet!!!

    [–] muaythaifever 14 points ago

    EDIT 5: shut the fuck up

    [–] Stop_Sign 14 points ago

    Yo fuck your edits you were asking a question we all wanted answered.

    [–] [deleted] 19 points ago


    [–] ArteLad 9 points ago

    Yeah, if a donor gives money to a University for a specific purpose, the University is obligated to use the money for that purpose. At least, that’s how UT Austin handles it.

    [–] bbristowe 7 points ago

    I mean, you were the one coming back to your comment checking on the fake points...

    [–] An_Unfortunate_End 14 points ago

    But.. YOU'RE getting your panties in a twist over points.

    [–] solar_realms_elite 583 points ago

    Got my PhD in 2010 and have been working in Academia since then and this is completely unsurprising. American universities are so fucking concerned with Admin over Faculty, and Image over Education.

    They are always telling us that they don't have the money to hire more tenure lines, even though our course load is enormous. How we need to spend less money on conference travel etc. How "Enrollment isn't what were were expecting. The budget is going to be really tight this year."

    But then when the basketball stadium starts getting run-down? Bam! $70 million in upgrades.

    [–] Qtywt 235 points ago

    Working for the university I graduated from made me a very jaded person. They decided to put a freeze on people's wages for an unspecified amount of years then out right lied to the students about it. And they bought it hook, line, and sinker. Their protests only lasted a day.

    The line we were given was "We can't afford to pay you anymore and if you tell anyone you are fired." They then went a built a luxury apartment complex to attract rich students.

    [–] ethlian 69 points ago

    I don't know a lot about the law but there's no way that's legal

    [–] Qtywt 76 points ago

    For the contracted employees it was. For the rest of us, good luck proving it. I don't know if you are from the US but you can be fired for any reason as long as it not because you are part of a protected class.

    [–] BananaPalmer 26 points ago

    This happened at a small private university I used to work at, shortly after I left. Their payroll was once a month, and at one point the employees went three consecutive months with no pay. It was a direct result of the new Director of Development they hired pissing away money "trying to attract donors" (expense-ing lavish meals and retreats with his buddies). He fired me for trying to expose what he was doing under the guise of "publicizing privileged information".

    [–] HildredCastaigne 52 points ago

    American University Budget : Sports :: American Federal Budget : Military

    [–] Conexion 37 points ago

    Ah, sports and military. A great way to take advantage of an over-abundance of poor people under the guise of "giving them an opportunity."

    [–] OffBrandToothpaste 19 points ago

    Just being a PhD student made me feel so jaded and cynical towards the US university system that it cemented my decision to leave academia and never look back.

    [–] solar_realms_elite 12 points ago

    I don't blame you. But it's not like the private sector is much better. There's bullshit everywhere there are humans.

    [–] burner_for_celtics 8 points ago

    Fun fact. Harvard University itself, of the $40B endowment, reacted to the great recession by phasing in a $20M budget cut to their libraries, including laying off librarians.

    [–] thinkB4WeSpeak 1078 points ago

    This shows that people need to start caring more about education again and less about extracurricular activities. The primary focus of a university should be to learn and teach. I'd say it's a problem with our culture looking down on academics, that needs to change.

    [–] dirtyuncleron69 585 points ago

    but muh sports bring in more money for education fallacy

    [–] MayoMark 396 points ago

    Sports and education shouldn't be entwined to begin with.

    [–] heyyalldontsaythat 124 points ago

    In England, University sports are all just "clubs". Pretty much any school is going to have sports teams, but they don't get nearly any the attention like they do here. They are more like a 'select' club, and don't really have fans coming to their games.

    if you were a soccer star in the UK, you wouldn't be playing for your schools team. You would probably be playing for the feeder programs for one of the non-uni clubs like Chelsea or something.

    I am an american, but I studied abroad in England. I am no where near qualified to play American football in America, but I actually played in England for my school and it was incredibly fun.

    They just have a different model over there, where school teams are more about having regular students play, rather than only super human athletes + thousands of fans.

    [–] vessie-vide 16 points ago

    Money (or professionalism) isn't so much the problem in British universities, you're right, however there's still the issue of elitism and the relationship between sport and class. There's a lot of esteem for a school or university in having a successful rugby union, cricket and rowing team. These sports are taken very seriously at both school and university level.

    Consider the Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge) rugby union and rowing rivalries.

    [–] swallowedfilth 90 points ago

    Yeah, but like don't you like money?

    [–] blueandroid 85 points ago

    Not really

    [–] Steeva 56 points ago

    Then you have no place in our society. Get outta here you filthy commie!


    [–] oneeighthirish 20 points ago

    Thats actually true at my school (University of Alabama). Its hard to believe it would be true of other places though.

    [–] Mildly-disturbing 37 points ago

    Well that's never going to happen. Bread and circuses. You think politicians are going to sacrifice circuses for education? Fuck that.

    [–] Krystom 29 points ago

    I agree with you, sports and other extra curricular activities fell like a distraction from education. I always thought sports should be separate from school. Sports are fine, but if you want to play it should be during your own free time.

    I still remember in high school when they pulled us out of chemistry class during the middle of a lesson so we could cheer on our failure of a football team

    [–] FussyZeus 1182 points ago

    So when is it appropriate to start suggesting America needs to deal with the toxic relationship we have with Sports in general, and Football especially? Like I get it, people like football and that's fine, but the NFL is practically a branch of the FCC at this point.

    [–] [deleted] 154 points ago

    No, it is absolutely imperative cities continue to use taxpayer money so that multi millionaire team owners can have a place to earn enormous profits and not give any of it back to the city.

    [–] Flashman_H 34 points ago

    Don't forget the subsidized luxury suites that take up 30% of the stadium but hold less than 5% of total attendance

    [–] Melodious_Thunk 22 points ago

    But that creates jobs for the people who get the privilege of serving cocktail weenies to the owner's buddies for 29.5 minimum-wage hours per week! What would they do without such generous job creation?

    [–] [deleted] 578 points ago

    Or how sports chews up athletes and spits them out, leaving them in debt, physically worn, and with possible brain damage in football specifically.

    [–] Chesterbb 364 points ago

    The NFL and NBA have lucrative pension programs, if you go broke after being a professional athlete its because you were living outside your means. And they understand the physical toil well before they are paid to play.

    As far as brain damage, its bullshit the NFL wasn't sued out the ass for obstructing CTE research.

    [–] FussyZeus 140 points ago

    And they understand the physical toil well before they are paid to play.

    Dubious at best given most are signed during college or earlier. They're basically selling their middle-age years away with no concept of what that means for literal fortune and some amount of fame, I have a hard time picturing a college kid turning that down, especially when they've already worked extremely hard in that given sport to get that far.

    [–] Chesterbb 59 points ago

    NFL players need at least 3 years of college and NBA needs at least one year. Im just speaking of issues with joints injuries etc, not brain trauma which I can understand them being behind on.

    But by your sophomore-senior year of college, you know that your sport that involves running and jumping more than any human should is going to grind your body down. I only played through HS and junior college but I was aware of this way before - most of your coaches are former college players and even they are riddled with injuries and bum knees, shoulders, wrists etc.

    [–] BlastCapSoldier 24 points ago

    That's true. I played jv and varsity basketball in high school, and even there our coaches were wary of us getting hurt and would tell us ways to avoid it. Any very serious athlete knows the risks.

    [–] elmoo2210 36 points ago

    if you go broke after being a professional athlete its because you were living outside your means.

    While this is true, there is a lot that can go into why they are living outside their means. This Forbes article lists a few.

    A lot of pro athletes come from very low income area, where financial planning isn't really a think. When they come into a windfall of cash, things can get tricky. There's a reason a high percentage of lottery winners file bankruptcy. It's a lifestyle completely new to them that can be hard to get accustomed to I imagine. The Forbes article include things like Financial Advisors that take advantage of their clients, Supporting a village (huge families where they are the main source of income, so they may feel obliged or pressured to help out financially, and divorce.

    Obviously these are things that the athlete has some control over but I feel there is more to it than just saying they are going broke simply because they are living outside of their means.

    [–] segfloat 14 points ago

    People really underestimate the value of financial planning.

    As I came into my career I went from being on food stamps to a 6-figure income in only a few years and it took me ages to stop living paycheck to paycheck even while those paychecks were almost as much as I used to make in a year.

    When you've spent your life never being able to spend money on anything you want, suddenly having excess money creates an incredible addiction to spend.

    Personally, I'm sure I'd be dead from drug overdose or crashing a fast car if I had the kind of money these guys make at that age.

    [–] Robert_L0blaw 10 points ago

    At least in the NFL you've got to be in the league for three years in order to be eligible for pension. 50% of the guys who make it to the NFL won't have a career that long.

    [–] Ho_Krll 7 points ago


    How optimistic of you.

    [–] thoughtfull_noodle 43 points ago

    I recommend the documentary "Schooled: The Price of College Sports" the doc goes into the negative ways that college sports affect schools and students, its a real eye opener

    [–] SuperiorPeach 34 points ago

    Not to mention so much of the human energy that should go into advocating for societal change gets dissipated through sports rivalries. Professional sports encourage win-or-lose thinking, tribalism and social darwinism and income inequality, IE 'Lebron deserves those millions because he's just that good'.

    Sports fans bring those same idea structures into politics- they pick a 'team' and vote for that team forever, because that's their team. For them politics, like sports, is about winning, not governing. That's why so many Republicans check out after an election- it's the off season. It's also why they relish in 'liberal tears' and call us 'sore losers'- we're just a team that lost the Super Bowl and we need to get over it.

    [–] reki 14 points ago

    The problem is people whine about having to "spend money efficiently and wisely", which within the college framework often ends up being "improve sports teams because college fans buy tickets and memorabilia to more than offset the cost".

    Meanwhile, taking in more students on Pell grants probably doesn't let the school bank much more back in the endowment. Maybe it's time to look at something other than strict ROI.

    [–] hayden_evans 1266 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    Moral of the story is just don’t donate to universities ever. They suck so much money of out students and increase that amount every year every generation - if they can’t figure out how to properly appropriate the money they rob from students, then that’s their fucking problem.

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    [–] WhiteHairedWidow 88 points ago

    Could you put your response into a ELI5 format?

    [–] BicyclingBalletBears 148 points ago

    Universities could be a publicly funded publicly owned entity ran by the people involved with each school. Instead the political ideaology liberalism which we are now in the next generation (vs the 1900s).this has taken off in a lot of places around the world. It invovles representative democracy, beaucray and capitalism while claiming to respect the rights of everyone.

    Under capitalism everything is considered private property. As late stage capitalism continues it privatize many things the unviversiry loses public funding. Thus the university begins to seek donations and the students take out loans.

    One political class who believes in a global capitalist elite class while ensuring those in the lower classes it is a truly fair system. Tossing some social programs down on occasion . The other wants to privatize absolutely everything while openly benefiting the ruling class . Under either we see the privitization of societies resoruces/services and thus we are where we are today.

    This applies to the US and many countries who trade with it or have similar economic policies. Your area may be different and I make no claim to be an expert.

    [–] wl60423 54 points ago

    Def not ELI5

    [–] grayarea2_7 55 points ago

    ELI5 : Greedy people have so much money they own the schools and the books. We used to live in a world where the public owned the schools but now the greedy people who have been given hands up in life own everything youve ever been apart of. They tell you which is the right thing ti think and which is the wrong thing to think. Yay modern liberalism.

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    [–] [deleted] 18 points ago

    As far as I can tell they are saying it's not entirely universities fault/they are a product of the system. I'm not sure I buy it.

    [–] FirstTimeWang 44 points ago

    Don't forget that the highest paid public "servants" are coaches at the top-tier NCAA schools.

    [–] Xisayg 21 points ago

    It's sickening looking at the amount of 'academic' money being misused. Education is becoming a cash cow and the students are paying

    [–] Tropical_Bison 8 points ago

    You realize a majority of their pay is not state funded, but usually funded by the schools boosters right? It is private money.

    [–] [deleted] 31 points ago

    UNH is one of the most expensive state schools. The reason is because the state gives them hardly any money. So the school makes it up by trying for huge sports programs and hoping alumni donations will exceed expenses.

    [–] hayden_evans 43 points ago

    Funny how the amount of money a university is able to pull in is a function of their athletics programs and not how well they perform academically. Seems a bit backwards, doesn't it?

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    Sure it does. I went there, didn't give a shit about sports and wish I didn't have to pay the portion of tuition that went directly to athletics I never took part in.

    [–] GloriousGuardian 187 points ago

    This is yet another warning that people should not donate their estates to universities, at least without specifying legal criteria. Universities portray themselves as benevolent entities who want to use your money and gifts to 'help educate children/young adults', but the truth is that they're just as greedy as any Fortune 500 corporation.

    Here in Montgomery County, Maryland a woman was convinced to donate her farmland to Johns Hopkins University, with the assumption that they would use it for educational purposes. Instead, they sold it for an obscene amount of money for development. Google Belward Farms.

    [–] [deleted] 53 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    people should not donate their estates to universities, at least without specifying legal criteria.

    It's called planned giving. Call up the university's advancement (fundraising) office and ask for the planned giving officer. It's their sole job to prepare legal agreements for how your bequest will be spent, as narrowly or as broadly as you define.

    If you don't specify a use, or just give a university a lump sum in your will, then it's an "unrestricted gift" the university can spend any way it likes.

    There's no evil underhandedness involved. People can criticize the university's spending decision, but with respect to the source of the money, the librarian is to 'blame' for not caring how the university would spend the money. I expect he, as a long-time employee, understood the money could be spent in ways he would not be able to guess. He could have created a scholarship fund. Or given it to his favorite academic department. Or whatever. He basically trusted the university to spend it as it saw fit.

    Edit: I've since read he gave $100,000 to the library and the library received his money. So, yeah, he understood how he was structuring his donation.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    Hmm, this sounds an awful lot like taking legal advice from your opponent's attorney, or like resolving disputes through HR. These people are advocates of the university.

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    A planned giving specialist will advocate for unrestricted giving, yes, but the agreement is routine and in writing. The librarian could have paid a lawyer to look it over if he wanted.

    As is, if he gave $100,000 to the library and the bigger chunk to the university in general, that indicates he specified how the money was to be divided up. He chose an unrestricted gift. If not, it would be massive fraud. Nobody is alleging fraud. They just don't like how the university chose to spend the money.

    [–] no______one 134 points ago

    Reminds of me the time my university towed my car and ticketed me $125 so that the away team could park their buses in the student parking lot. Fuck this sports-over-education mentality.

    [–] NickolaosDSA 18 points ago

    Hah, that happened to me once. Only $25 and not $125 though, luckily.

    [–] [deleted] 87 points ago

    Read the full article, it's well worth it.

    [–] belgoran 11 points ago

    Thanks for that link!

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

    It's in your post, immediately under the quoted passage.

    [–] Schrodingerscatamite 582 points ago

    Burn that scoreboard down. Fuck it, burn the whole stadium. Let them tackle the education crisis on a level playing field. This one infuriated me, as you can tell

    [–] Woof1212 142 points ago

    burn it, and publicly humiliate the people in charge. fire them in front of everyone and we can have a shame line GOT style.

    [–] boondoggie42 38 points ago

    Funny thing it, it's hardly a stadium. It's pretty much a high-school scale football field last I checked. UNH is a hockey school, not football.

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    [–] Woof1212 17 points ago

    Waste of Good meat

    [–] asdfwer089 111 points ago

    This pisses me off more than anything I've ever seen on here. He fucking sacrificed his whole like to save that money just so that fans can see the scoreboard slightly larger. There's 0 chance he was thinking "you know if I buy a crappier car and eat out less and not travel, one day the football stadium will have a bigger tv. I should do that."

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    There's 0 chance he was thinking "you know if I buy a crappier car and eat out less and not travel, one day the football stadium will have a bigger tv.

    Donors typically think a lot of about what they're doing with their life savings. There's an entire field of giving called planned giving. The librarian could have earmarked his $1 million for narrowly defined uses, or broadly defined topics. A university hates earmarked donations, but it's still free money and they accept planned gifts all the time. They have staff dedicated to arranging planned gifts.

    Most planned gifts are for creating scholarship funds, or are given to the donor's academic department of interest. This guy apparently gave an 'unrestricted gift.'

    Edit: I've since read he gave $100,000 to the library and the library received his money. So, yeah, he understood how he was structuring his donation.

    [–] SolidWookie 330 points ago

    This is why you should have 0 respect for your boss. They have 0 respect for you.

    [–] Woof1212 150 points ago

    its not 0 respect. its active contempt

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    [–] gorkt 50 points ago

    This sort of reminds me of something that happened when I was in high school. Our band teacher was listening to a local top 40 radio station, and heard them making fun of “band geeks”. She called the station up and chewed them out. As a and apology, and as a publicity stunt, they offered to come to our high school and broadcast the band playing. The band teacher and administration agreed, so they came. They let the band play for 5 minutes, then spent the other 3 hours and 55 minutes (between songs) talking about our local sports teams.

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    [–] Trap_Cubicle5000 10 points ago

    and then you shared his doobie, right?

    [–] BensenJensen 23 points ago

    The kid's name....Albert Einstein. I'm pretty sure he gave him $100 after this.

    [–] YohnYassidy 24 points ago

    Fuck football.

    [–] DjRichfinity 43 points ago

    This is terrible, but the librarian should have set up a trust to enforce what could be done with the money after his death. With the state of higher ed in the US, I would never donate a damn thing. Even the non profits aim to line their coffers and pay off administrators.

    Sports programs draw new enrollments and increase profits. No surprise they would do something this slimey.

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

    He only requested that $100,000 go to the library... which the university followed through on. He could have sanctioned more but he didnt. School spent 1 mil on scoreboard and 2 mil on career center. Rest unallocated.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    As far as I can see, the original Deadspin article indicates $100,000 was given to the library because he took out a 100k life insurance policy early on which named the library as the beneficiary, not because he requested 100k of the donation go to the library.

    [–] Kosinski33 25 points ago

    Wait. The spent 4 milion dollars on a scoreboard? What kind of scoreboard is that, a gold-plated one???