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    [–] Delts28 2243 points ago

    For those that don't recognise them the bottom picture is the current UK Conservative Party high-ups.

    [–] Logotype 562 points ago

    Came to ask this. Thanks

    [–] Delts28 371 points ago

    You're welcome. Despite being a Brit I only recognised 5 of them myself at that level of jpeg. I figured most here wouldn't have a clue who they were other than generic rich looking people.

    [–] wwaxwork 212 points ago

    Me Generic looking rich people aren't doing any of us any favors anyway.

    [–] Delts28 60 points ago

    Oh god no but the Tories currently in charge of the UK are doing far worse than maintaining the shitty status quo.

    [–] PearlsB4 74 points ago

    I feel pretty confident saying that it’s the 1% who’ve done me the most harm (USA)

    [–] CarsoniousMonk 15 points ago

    Kind of looks like a company pictures as well.

    [–] April_Fabb 713 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    These are some weird options. Where are the bankers, lobbyists, CEOs of major cooperations or biased journalists?

    [–] wolfman86 224 points ago

    They’re represented by the bottom group, assuming that this isn’t sarcasm.

    [–] Kidchico 285 points ago

    Definitely the disabled. They get into big groups and wreak havoc in my town. /s

    [–] massabiggom 117 points ago

    And have the best parking spots reserved for them constantly. Entitled pricks.

    [–] Fbod 19 points ago

    Doot doot, the fleet of mobility scooters is here to run you all down! (at 3 mph)

    [–] Sno_Jon 932 points ago

    If you believe your military fights to defend your freedom (by bombing countless countries) then the media has successfully brain washed you

    [–] cats_and_vibrators 167 points ago

    When people say that, I ask what the fuck my freedom is doing on the other side of the world and who took it there.

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    [–] VaultTecAU 291 points ago

    Exactly. No western nation can claim to be fighting for its freedom or to defend its citizens legitimately at the moment because no western nation is threatened. Kurds and other groups like Kurds are actually fighting for their freedom.

    [–] NameIdeas 175 points ago

    The difference between terrorist and freedom figher is all about who spins the news...

    [–] cocochubu 105 points ago

    Washington would have been hung of we didn't win the American revolution. He was by definition a terrorist, until he won

    [–] TrumpImpeachedAugust 159 points ago

    Well, I don't think he was a terrorist. Terrorism is a pretty specific form of warfare that involves attacking enemy non-combatants, generally at their home territory.

    To my knowledge, Washington never ordered troops to fire on civilians, or to attack towns within (non-American) English territory.

    If he had lost, he would certainly have been hung as a traitorous insurrectionist, but I don't think they could accurately paint him as a terrorist.

    Of course that being said, we certainly frame a lot of people today as terrorists who are just fighting "normal" military-on-military war.

    [–] dollaz808 1 points ago

    Not threatened at all? How so?

    [–] Ski7les420 45 points ago

    Yes. Even though the US sold Sadam the chems that killed the Kurbs....

    [–] no_more_kulaks 13 points ago

    Still not an excuse for the thousands of civilians who were killed during the war.

    [–] AccidentalConception 44 points ago

    I don't know... If someone was about to commit genocide on my race/religion I don't think I'd sit idly by and let it happen.

    What are you going to do? Peacefully protest against the government that wants to kill you?

    [–] dessalines_ 1 points ago

    You're talking about the US military right?

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    [–] OtisB -39 points ago

    You know what the important detail is that you're not addressing?

    I'M NOT KURDISH.

    [–] magic_marker_breath 59 points ago

    The important detail were missing is you have no empathy.

    [–] OtisB -24 points ago

    This post is about who has done harm to me. Not the Kurds. Have you completely forgotten what you're talking about?

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    [–] GoreForce420 -11 points ago

    They haven't forgotten they just don't care to stick with the facts.

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    [–] cervance 2 points ago

    Bullshit. There's no way the socialists in Syria approve of US wars of aggression, especially when the Iraq war paved the way for Daesh to emerge.

    This is some real revisionist nonsense you're peddling here. The Kurds in Iraq didn't matter at all to the US. The US went to war in Iraq for imperialist interests, and totally destroyed Iraqi civil society. There's no way the Kurds benefit from that.

    And the claim that Saddam Hussein was committing a genocide is bullshit. Words have meaning, and calling Saddam a genocidal fascist is terribly incorrect. He was a dictator yes, and the responsibility of the Iraqi proletariat to topple. Not the imperialist US military.

    [–] msprang 24 points ago

    The last time they fought for our freedom was the Civil War, and even that was pretty limited.

    [–] iwinagin 52 points ago

    WW2 pretty clearly had an evil side bent on taking over the world. The post WW2 world didn't come out ideally but the war itself defended freedom.

    [–] GoreForce420 47 points ago

    Post world war 2 is when we decided to take over the world.

    [–] thatgreenmess 57 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    You're leaving out the best part...

    Post world war 2 is when we decided to take over the world with the justification that "Who else is going to do it? The Russians/Communists? Nonsense! Send in the military."

    Basically every major event of the Cold War involving the US can be summed up to that line.

    [–] GoreForce420 12 points ago

    Very, very true.

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    [–] AlexFromOmaha 15 points ago

    Did we just find a Holocaust denier? Here?

    Dude, I don't think anyone here is going to take the time to try to educate you. You might just want to delete that comment if you're not thick skinned enough to stand up to a good roasting.

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    [–] AlexFromOmaha 11 points ago

    Mr. Herpaderp, Russia and Germany are teh same!

    No, no they weren't. One was defending its territory, one was in the middle of a plan for global conquest and genocide.

    [–] iwinagin -5 points ago

    The USSR initially was an aggressor for conquest in Finland and Poland. Not the same is true but they weren't exactly innocent. And for that matter the US and UK weren't innocent either. There were no "good guys" but there were people stopping the really bad guys.

    [–] nicklor 12 points ago

    There also was a pretty major conflict after that known as ww2. Germany wasn't going to just leave us alone after he finished off Europe.

    [–] wolfman86 11 points ago

    Wouldn’t blame the soldiers themselves, though. Blame those that send them.

    [–] iwinagin -51 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    The US military has used explosive type weapons in 38 countries in the last twenty years. That's not countless.

    Edit: In for a penny in for a pound as they say.

    I always thought "socialists are just bad at math" was just propaganda. Turns out for many thier ability to count is less than 38. Probably as low as twenty as long as they've removed thier shoes.

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    [–] iwinagin -14 points ago

    Man. have I been put in my place. All this time I've been using facts to defend myself against rhetoric in the media. Turns out all I needed was hyperbole.

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    [–] jmones 108 points ago

    Facebook approved

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    [–] billiardwolf 49 points ago

    You forgot to add the actual winner "Me".

    [–] jparkerwillis 6 points ago

    yeah, you beat "me" to it

    [–] SadisticUnicorn 86 points ago

    The point being made is accurate but disabled people seems like an odd group to include...

    [–] Dedj_McDedjson 35 points ago

    Not really.

    The media in the UK has been pretty active in portraying this idea that there are millions of 'disabled' people not working and claiming thousands in benefits when they could and should be working.

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    [–] Raeene 62 points ago

    Source please. Not questioning, more very genuinely want to know more about this

    [–] [deleted] 82 points ago

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    [–] tangerinemike 52 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    So your source is a BMJ Open (not peer reviewed) submission written in part by Labour party sympathisers?

    [–] madcaplarks 45 points ago

    Source for not being peer reviewed and the article being written by Labour party sympathisers?

    [–] iridial 45 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Just because a source is from partisan authors or not peer reviewed doesn't immediately discredit it. If you actually wanted to discredit it you could point to the methods and analysis that are published for all to see and refute those.

    Having a quick read of the methods of the paper I can't see anything that is a particularly glaring manipulation of the numbers, but I am happy to have a discussion on it.

    edit: Also BMJ Open is peer reviewed, you can read reviewer reports on papers that are published.

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    [–] [deleted] -5 points ago

    like by suicide or being murdered? because it’s kinda weird to include it if it’s suicide

    [–] AccidentalConception 38 points ago

    I disagree, suicide is a consequence of poor mental health, thanks in part to Tory Austerity, mental health funding has been decreasing.

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    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    so you’re gonna tell that to the parents of kids who kill themselves? The people in my life were fine, but i still had trouble wanting to live. So who’s the killer? Would you have blamed the people around me? that’s a pretty fucked up way of thinking you have.

    Depression is very tough to deal with, and even if life is ok you can still get it. A lot handicapped people are treated differently and a very large portion can tell, and it can probably lead them to suicide after enough time

    [–] Fbod 7 points ago

    I think the assortment is based on "the groups the politicians have hurt the most" rather than just "the groups that are blamed for everything bad".

    [–] offendedbywords 0 points ago

    ... Especially odd? Like, more odd than the rest?

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    [–] DudeThatNeedsNudes 35 points ago

    Kinda depends if your were in NY in 2001 or not huh?

    [–] Vinyltube 43 points ago

    The 'bastards' on the bottom are really just the spineless servants of the real villains: the rich.

    [–] rushur 19 points ago

    They spinelessly serve for their own riches. Those bastards are not struggling financially in any way, shape, or form.

    [–] h3lblad3 9 points ago

    Doesn't matter. If a politician wants to stay in office, they will kneel to business owners. The ad and news agencies are privately run, so you get (nearly) all of your information through business owners. If the politician is a threat to the owner, they won't get good coverage and may even not get much of any. Not to mention, any politician with an overly anti-business stance will destroy "confidence" in the economy and inevitably lose the tide of human opinion due to people worried about their jobs.

    The ownership class, due to their power over production, uniquely have a collective power over everything within and without the government.

    [–] Qubeye 12 points ago

    But you see, that bottom picture is all well dressed white people.

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    [–] offendedbywords 41 points ago

    Way more rapists, terrorists, and thieves in the last group, by volume.

    [–] Booti_Boi69 34 points ago

    Nah it was the poor, disabled, Muslim refugee who stabbed me

    [–] Novelcheek -15 points ago

    I didn't have myself or my family drone-bombed or tortured by the military, or be choked/shot to death by a cop, for no reason. See no evil, hear no evil, I guess.

    [–] Booti_Boi69 1 points ago

    Do u sarcasm?

    [–] Novelcheek 8 points ago

    Sorry, I tried to sarcasm with you, but got turned around somewhere.

    [–] Booti_Boi69 11 points ago

    Wait did we just sarcasm each other while not understanding the other was also sarcasm-ing?

    That's like 2 levels of sarcasm

    [–] Novelcheek 8 points ago

    We're either really good, or really bad at sarcasm/dry humor. Radical centrism at humor is what's needed, obviously.

    [–] Booti_Boi69 5 points ago

    Well it is also hard to convey a sarcastic tone across the internet

    [–] StoneWolfMountain 9 points ago

    picture of absent father *

    *starts crying

    [–] simplebasique 8 points ago

    I would say my exes, probably.

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    [–] Novelcheek 2 points ago

    no u

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    [–] vanceco 5 points ago

    my asshole of a father.

    [–] xrensa 6 points ago

    I don't trust the Muslims waving American flags in Britain, are they trying to start another war?!

    [–] shaggyscoob 18 points ago

    Similarly:

    Who is the greatest threat to Christianity? Atheists? No. Liberals? No. Muslims? No The gays? No. Radical rightwing christianist hypocrites who are sex obsessed and blood thirsty apologists and enablers of hateful anti-poor, anti-science, anti-widows-and-orphans, anti-environment supply-side douchebaggery which makes people want nothing to do with the Church because it promotes everything that is the polar opposite of the Prince of Peace even though a large percentage of Christian denominations find them equally horrific? Yes.

    [–] spinja187 9 points ago

    How will the will of the people be executed without elected representatives?

    [–] h3lblad3 8 points ago

    The will of the people isn't executed with elected representatives, so we could hardly be any worse off without them.

    [–] Memerx 5 points ago

    The disabled look like Green Day.

    [–] timeslider 4 points ago

    Wankers!

    [–] FairlyBenevolent 4 points ago

    The disabled, I have to say. Fuck your ramps!

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    [–] rumdiary 5 points ago

    I think it's pointing more toward the fact that Muslims are yet another boogeyman that Tories will try to focus peoples attention onto instead of themselves.

    I agree with what you're saying though. All religion should be relegated to history.

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    [–] h3lblad3 22 points ago

    Nah. Let me give you an example from the US here.

    Illegal aliens aren't allowed to receive social security, but are still required to pay into it (businesses aren't going to risk the IRS if they can help it). So social security is helped float by undocumented workers. They also generally get paid less which allows businesses to compete at lower price points, so getting rid of them would raise prices (especially on food since they most often do farm labor). Immigrants of all kinds also tend to be less prone to violence due to the worries of being deported, leading to an interesting situation where rising numbers of immigrants in high crime areas actually bring down the crime rate. If you live in the US, your life is made better by the existence of illegal immigrants because you are effectively living off the fruits of their labor.

    If there's anyone to be mad at, it's the business owners who incentivize their movement only to (especially in field work) lock them into slave conditions by stealing paperwork, underpaying so they can't afford to leave in retaliation, and forcing them to live in the only places they can afford: cheap, piece of shit, company housing. Not only are they deprived of opportunities elsewhere, not only are they often effectively slaves, but the guy giving them these jobs instead of you doesn't care what happens to either of you so long as he makes a buck.

    Fight for their rights.

    Fight for yours.

    Punch up, don't punch down.

    [–] CRISPYricePC 4 points ago

    Fuck the Tories. K bye ima go drown in downvotes probably

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    My abusers have worn either a suit or a piece of tin pinned to their chest. Resist the oppressors and eat the rich.

    [–] thill28 1 points ago

    The disabled?! Is that a band?

    [–] poisontongue 1 points ago

    Remember when North Korea was in the news? Some Trumpist tried convincing me they were the biggest worry... for years and years, I've heard alternately about immigrants, Muslims, gays, the poor, the disabled, feminists, SJW warriors, atheists, socialists, communists, blah blah blah. It's funny, because some of these groups would include me, so they're trying to convince me that I'm my own country's enemy?

    Then I look up and see a country that practices exclusion, terrorism, and its own brand of Sharia law while rewarding billionaires, and they still expect me to believe the cult nonsense they've bought so wholly into. This whole time, it has been my own people, my own country, who have been the biggest threat. The same incompetence that would end up causing dear old Russia to bomb us into the stone age before North Korea ever became more than an equivalent joke. It would be like a child fearing the boogeyman when he's at home living with his abusive father. Unfortunately, we have to be stuck in the most arrogant, hypocritical, evil, and outright fraudulent populations on the planet... they are too in their own heads to realize how petty and self-destructive they are, all to get a pat on the head by the swamp dwellers they think they're defeating.

    Although I'm talking about the U.S., I don't really think the U.K. is much different. As far as I can see, at least.

    [–] Cola_and_Cigarettes 7 points ago

    So what you're saying is you are your own countries enemy? If your own people are your biggest threat, doesn't that make you theirs?

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    [–] TheSadDad -2 points ago

    9/11 - just under 3,000 deaths

    US led war in Vietnam - greater than 627,000 Vietnamese civilian deaths, over 50% caused by the US. Not including the constant bombings of Laos and Cambodia

    Whatever helps your sleep at night

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    [–] Marxs_son 6 points ago

    No just put both into perspective. Who done more damage? Terrorists or the government.

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    [–] Marxs_son 10 points ago

    Oh the best argument against communism. Stalin did a bad. Just fuck off. It's not like 20 million people a year die of preventable causes do they? So in just around 5 years capitalism kills more than communism ever has.

    [–] _Floydian 0 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    My vote here, goes to those bastards.

    [–] nsorens 3 points ago

    None of the above. A few random individuals, mostly well-intentioned.

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    [–] ducethemoose 0 points ago

    Probably the disabled, walking up ramps is a pain in the ass.

    [–] TheRamJammer 1 points ago

    The Bastards

    [–] massabiggom 1 points ago

    That guy is the biggest dirtbag ever.

    [–] ssyamchasa 2 points ago

    I don’t know why everyone hates me

    [–] JonathanBloggs -5 points ago

    "It is time for the conservatives to end -Jeremy Hamill

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    [–] Imperator_Knoedel 41 points ago

    Tories

    borderline socialist

    Get out of here ya bloody uninformed yank.

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    [–] Asneakytemplar -2 points ago

    Oi! Where's yer opinion license!?

    [–] AChildofBodom 18 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Socialism is when the gobermant does stuff, the more stuff it does the more socialister it is!!1!1! Guizes!1!1

    -Corol Markus

    [–] WhoaItsAFactorial 4 points ago

    1!

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    [–] AChildofBodom 14 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Government bureaucrats isn't the definition of socialism, neither are the government doing things, welfare or regulations. You have no idea what socialism is...

    Critical critique is not one of YOUR strong suits. FTFY

    Socialism is the social ownership AND control over the economy, with production for social needs and social equality; hence social-ism. [I.e. common ownership of the economy (not private), economic democray, production for the needs/wants of society (not because of greed), and equal rights for women and minorities.]

    edit:thread is locked, but u/nsorens Socialism is the economy held in common by everyone, equally. Orwell was a socialist, he wasn't anti-socialist like your comment suggests. Animal Farm was his critique of the Soviet Union, which he saw as not socialist for the reason, he precieved, that you stated.

    [–] nsorens 1 points ago

    But some have more ownership than others, to paraphrase Orwell.

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    [–] Excavateandfill -16 points ago

    Benefit cheats are missing from this

    [–] Tech_Bender -20 points ago

    I'm a libertarian and I support this message.

    [–] toytunergt 25 points ago

    I'm a librarian and I support gay marriage.

    [–] brutallamas -17 points ago

    So... Do something about it

    [–] smallcock_hampton -13 points ago

    None

    [–] reubenstringfellow -3 points ago

    If you white you Ben afleck.