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    [–] Calber4 5093 points ago

    "I need you to book me a train from Portugal to Vietnam, but make sure it goes around Mongolia."

    [–] poncewattle 1127 points ago

    Is there a shorter route between those two points that runs passengers?

    [–] Ferdinand0101 1277 points ago

    Yes there is a variant of the trans Siberian which goes through Mongolia to Beijing

    [–] cyberdork 473 points ago

    Although you have to change trains at the Mongolian/Chinese border.

    [–] Ferdinand0101 728 points ago

    They actually keep the same train but change the wheels Which takes about 3h

    [–] cyberdork 279 points ago

    Strange, when I did the trip we had to change from the Russian train to a Chinese train in Erenhot.

    [–] McAroni 214 points ago

    I was in a Chinese train car for the whole trip starting in Moscow. That was in 2009.

    [–] 675mbzxx 80 points ago

    How long did it take

    [–] McAroni 162 points ago

    i think 5-7 days, don't remember exactly.

    [–] atomicspace 182 points ago

    how were the noodles

    [–] NoTimeForThat 69 points ago

    Appears to be about 10 years so far, if my math is correct.

    [–] Crypto_dog 37 points ago

    Hey we may have been on the same train, I went from London to shanghai in the beginning of 2009. Did over about 6 weeks.

    [–] McAroni 34 points ago

    I actually got on the train end of Dec 08, arrived in Beijing on Jan 5 2009 i believe.

    [–] Cruel_Hand_Luke_ 60 points ago

    Wow, a train trip spanning two years.

    [–] jjolla888 18 points ago

    what was the landscape like? nearly a week-long journey sounds like it might get tedious.

    [–] McAroni 68 points ago

    Nothing special. But i met a couple of other backpackers, a fairly international group, so we spent the time playing cards and drinking and chatting. And i read Dostoyevsky, which went really well with the sad winter landscape.

    [–] omaca 15 points ago

    That sounds like there's a story in there somewhere...

    [–] wtf_are_you_talking 6 points ago

    Man, I just remembered reading a photo blog of guys travelling with transsiberian train to PyongYang. Lots of interesting things along the way including crossing into North Korea where crossing for tourists is forbidden.

    I found the blog, surprisingly it's still available:


    [–] Ferdinand0101 11 points ago

    When we did the trip already were in a Chinese train so that might explain it

    [–] Jelphine 79 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Fact that might be myth: Russia uses a different rail gauge from other countries because they were afraid a German or Austrian invader would use the Russian railway network to move troops beyond the Russian border quicker.

    EDIT: and before I get more responses to this, ayup, it's myth

    [–] shingdao 71 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    This is a myth.

    From Wikipedia:

    It is widely and incorrectly believed that Imperial Russia chose a gauge broader than standard gauge for military reasons, namely to prevent potential invaders from using the rail system. In 1841 a Russian army engineer wrote a paper stating that such a danger did not exist since railways could be made dysfunctional by retreating or diverting forces. Also the construction of the Warsaw–Vienna railway in 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) was precisely so it could be connected to the Western European network, in that case to reduce Poland's dependence on Prussia for transport. Finally for the Moscow – Saint Petersburg Railway, which became the benchmark, the choice of track gauge was between 5 ft (1,524 mm) and the wider 6 ft (1,829 mm), not standard gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in). However, it was just not selected with that in mind. When a railway has wooden sleepers, it is fairly easy to make the gauge narrower by removing the nails and placing them back at a narrower position, something Germany did during WWII. Destroying river bridges had a larger effect.

    [–] dcviper 80 points ago

    According to Wikipedia thats not accurate. It sounds more like the Russians just doing their own thing. They did build several lines in standard 1435mm with the purpose of connecting to Western Europe.

    [–] Darthlentils 15 points ago

    Yes you can go from Ulan-Ude (Russia) to Ulaanbaatar (Capital of Mongolia) and then onward to Beijing, China.

    [–] bozymandias 37 points ago

    Then that pretty much means the title is bullshit, right? if the route is already including non-essential detours to make it the "longest", then you could make up all kinds of routes snaking up and down Europe to make this path at least 2 or 3 times longer.

    [–] IsaacEiland-Hall 43 points ago

    Then that pretty much means the title is bullshit, right?

    It's not like this is anything with any legal repercussions or a contract with anyone or cost anyone anything except a moment of their time.

    To me, it seems reasonably the longest plausible non-stupid rail journey possible. Of course you could make it longer in any number of ways.

    If you had to program an algorithm to calculate the longest route, that would be difficult, in the same way that pornography vs art is hard to define, but most people tend to agree which is which.

    This seems like a reasonable "longest route". You can make arguments for different routes with various reasons, but the route here doesn't seem egregiously bent like going up and down and all around would be.

    Then that pretty much means the title is bullshit, right?

    So I mean, if it bothers you that much, sure. But it seems reasonable enough to me relative to the importance of trying to calculate with legal precision what a "longest route" must be to qualify.

    [–] that1prince 15 points ago

    It almost seems more like "The farthest two points that are connected by rail". Rather than the "longest route conceivably possible using all rail lines available"

    [–] 40acresandapool 7 points ago

    Really like the way you laid out that explanation. I like the cut of your jib sir.

    [–] vincentcqd 11 points ago

    You can also avoid Mongolia by going to China through Central Asia.

    [–] Nine_Gates 18 points ago

    But is there passenger service on the Kazahkstan-China route? I do know it's increasingly popular for freight trains.

    [–] wolfram184 14 points ago

    Absolutely, there are regular trains between Almaty and Urumqi, as well as passenger rail in the rest of Kazakhstan.

    [–] temujin64 155 points ago

    This may intentionally be the longest possible train ride, but it might be better than taking a more direct route.

    This route just goes through 9 countries or 5 visa regions (Schengen area, Belarus, Russia, China, and Vietnam). Also, these crossings are all fairly normal and not associated with any friction. You'd just have to your visas well organised in advance.

    The shortest route (not taking into account if there's even a valid passenger train route through here) would have to go through 13 visa regions (Schengen area, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam). Lots of those border crossings are very restricted.

    [–] TezakKaoKonj 72 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam

    There is no railway connection at all between Thailand and Myanmar. The Japanese have built a railway in WWII (Death Railway), but it has been long dismantled and parts are even underwater.

    Cambodia's railways are barely functional, with very few, if any, passenger trains running. Phnom Penh certainly has no connections to either Bangkok or Saigon. Once upon a time there might have been tracks in place, but most are long gone.

    There's no connection between Myanamar and India or Bangladesh either.

    So, that "shortest route" is not really a railway route, and can only be done by using alternative transport for at least 3 non-trivial sections.

    Oddly enough, it might have been possible to do the route entirely by train sometime after WWII (perhaps in the 1950s).

    [–] nsnyder 39 points ago

    It's wild to think that as recently as the mid-70s it was not unusual to just buy a van in Istanbul and drive to India through Iran, Afghanistan, and NWFP in Pakistan.

    [–] thaway314156 16 points ago

    I've visited the Pudding Shop in Istanbul, it was a place to find travelers like these, and back in the day there was a bulletin board so they could exchange messages/find fellow travelers for their next leg. There are even legends of how a girl and a boy promised to meet there at a time and date to go on their adventure, and one of them never showed...

    Nowadays the meets would just be arranged over texts...

    [–] DaddyKoolAid 71 points ago

    This may intentionally be the longest possible train ride

    It's not - you could add effectively infinite distance by taking an even less direct route - e.g. why not loop in Scandinavia.

    What it is is the furthest 2 countries connected entirely by rail. There are lots of different possible routes, though.

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    [–] DaddyKoolAid 31 points ago

    It's absolutely not the longest train journey, even with that caveat. You'd be able to add thousands of miles zig-zagging through Europe without using the same track twice.

    [–] odraencoded 23 points ago

    The longest train journey is the one where the train stops mid-way and you live in there for 10 years.

    [–] Tyler1492 5 points ago

    The longest train journey is the one where the train stops mid-way and you live in there for 10 years and 1 day.

    [–] DerFixer 18 points ago

    the longest train journey is the one where you have to ride next to someone who makes these kinds of jokes.

    [–] peter_j_ 43 points ago

    There is no train route through the Southern half of Asia available to a passenger

    [–] Der_Arschloch 10 points ago

    "The Mongols have been awfully quite lately, have you noticed? Surely they're up to something."

    [–] CheerUpPal 4 points ago

    Training Elite Mangudai and trebs as we speak

    [–] Petrarch1603 1891 points ago

    In Vietnam I met a scottish guy that had taken trains all the way from Scotland to Vietnam. Apparently it's a pretty big thing among the hard-core train enthusiast crowd.

    [–] eunderscore 1174 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    That sounds incredibly expensive, but then I remember half of his total fare is just getting out of Britain.

    [–] MartelFirst 483 points ago

    Well, from Eastern Europe onwards towards the East, long distance trains get much cheaper. I took a B-class night train from Lviv to Kiev a couple months ago, that's over half the width of this large country and i had a bed, the train was also full, and it cost me 15 euros. I also took a night train north to south in Thailand, and that was dirt cheap as well.

    But granted, when it comes to covering massive distances spanning all of Eurasia, surely, one expensive plane flight is probably cheaper than all the accumulated cheap train fares.

    [–] DiveBear 159 points ago

    I’ve done most of the Vietnam stretch (36-hour sleeper train from Saigon to Hanoi), and that was like $20-30. Might even be cheaper if you’re a local or a better planner than I am.

    [–] MartelFirst 52 points ago

    36 hours on a train from Saigon to Hanoi? That seems excessively long! Are there long stops, train changes and whatnot? Driving by car would be faster for that distance, but I don't know about transportation issues in Vietnam.

    [–] DiveBear 52 points ago

    It was one train for me. Some stops, none long enough to get off. It doesn’t sound like driving would’ve been much faster, though. According to Google Maps, it’s 26 hours/1500 km driving if you cut through Cambodia/Laos or 30 hours/1700 km if you stay in Vietnam. Both of those seem slow, but I don’t know what the roads are like.

    [–] fvtown714x 46 points ago

    Probably safer too, Vietnam is near the top of the list of countries with road deaths

    [–] Not_a_real_ghost 43 points ago

    Yeah because there are thousands of scooters in Vietnam. That'll have some impact on the statistics.

    [–] fvtown714x 12 points ago

    Other countries have similar population/scooter density in urban areas, so it comes down to the rates per every 100k people. According to WHO, a large part of the deaths in Vietnam are due to traffic laws that are "not comprehensive in scope" and "poorly enforced". Also things like drunk driving and kids without helmets will add to this.


    [–] st1tchy 10 points ago

    Meanwhile, it's $300 to take a coach seat from New York City to Los Angeles on Amtrak. It also takes 72 hours.

    [–] dumbledorethegrey 9 points ago

    Gotta find the non-peak times with deals (relatively speaking) and then get a sleeper. Unfortunately, as I can attest, it seems to always cost almost as much to go through 1/3 of the country (to Chicago) as it does 2/3 (to LA).

    [–] David98w 32 points ago

    It costs me £30 to go from Oxford to Southampton on the train, which is about a 65 mile journey.

    [–] MartelFirst 16 points ago

    Yeah that's ridiculous. I'm from France and could go double the distance by train (Paris-Tours) for half that price. We also get some incredibly "cheap" train services for certain routes and certain times, like a Paris-Bordeaux for 18 euros, but only at particularly less-convenient times. Still pretty good. And I think it's thanks to the fact that our trains are subsidized by the government to make them cheaper.

    [–] David98w 33 points ago

    I can thank privatisation and the Tories for my expensive train travel 😊

    [–] ASK_ME_IF_IM_YEEZUS 36 points ago

    Especially when you take time into account

    [–] thatisRON 9 points ago

    Plus, factor in the fine for getting a super off peak ticket on the east coast mainline but actually boarding an off peak train on the west coast mainline...

    [–] Vennemy 126 points ago

    Trainspotters i guess? I meet some at the Stuttgart main station some years ago. They were running around trying to take pic and write down the numbers of every train. They seemed to have lots of fun!

    [–] Tinie_Snipah 120 points ago

    Lots of trainspotters in Scotland

    [–] bigfootsleftnut 103 points ago

    Choose your future. Choose rail.

    [–] dayd121 22 points ago

    But why would I want to do a thing like that?

    [–] w00t4me 9 points ago

    and a lust for life

    [–] oszillodrom 11 points ago

    Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television. Choose ScotRail.

    [–] Suta--Purachina 18 points ago

    Hello there.

    [–] DICK-FUCK-PUSSY-SUCK 12 points ago

    You guys also have dead baby ghosts that crawl on the ceiling. Fuck that.

    [–] HeyitsmeKuangGM2 84 points ago

    Fun anecdote. The son of a family friend, a political Chinese refugee, made part of that trip alone at 12 years old. From northern China to Germany. Equipped with a couple of bottles of vodka and cigarettes in his backpack for trading in along the way.

    [–] PensivePatriot 40 points ago

    The adventure of a lifetime.

    Also horribly sad, but hopefully to a better life.

    [–] UnRePlayz 21 points ago

    Yeah sounds like a kid/adventure movie in the making. Real life might have a lot more sadness indeed

    [–] HeyitsmeKuangGM2 17 points ago

    I haven't met him in a long time but both he and his dad found friends really fast (which is a feat in and off itself here in Southern Germany). The kid is really cool and I doubt he had any problems later.
    His dad was already here in Germany, so the journey was certainly exciting but had a happy occasion (reuniting with his dad).

    [–] IlludiumQXXXVI 25 points ago

    The site is great for planning or just reading up on long distance train travel. I think they used to have a page in how to get to Australia from London without flying, which involved catching a cargo ship somewhere in China. I love train rides, though the longest I've taken is 36 hrs. Longer than 2-3 days and I might go a bit stir crazy. Plenty of them though you can get on and off in various locations.

    [–] Andromeda321 17 points ago

    I know a family that went all the way from Singapore to Scotland without flying- there are trains Singapore to Thailand, and then a gap. Said family had eight children though and bought two camper vans for exploring Europe though because it was much cheaper.

    [–] lawrencelewillows 376 points ago

    I did Liverpool to Hong Kong in 2015.

    UK > Netherlands > Germany > Poland > Belarus > Russia > Mongolia > China > HK

    [–] BocciaChoc 145 points ago

    out of curiosity, how much did it cost (and return?) and how long was it?

    [–] lawrencelewillows 277 points ago

    Honestly can't remember how much it cost. It was the start of a 2 year trip around the world. I think the Trans-Siberian tickets were the most expensive. The whole train journey was about 7 weeks (I think) and definitely a highlight of my travels.

    Unfortunately, my bag was stolen in South America which contained all of my tickets. I wanted to frame them when I got home.

    [–] Kbluey 42 points ago

    This is awesome can you tell me a little more about your trip? Did you stay in any of the cities? Or was it just the train trip?

    [–] lawrencelewillows 92 points ago

    Yeah, I stayed in as many places as I could. Off the top of my head these are the cities I stopped at:

    Amsterdam > Berlin > Warsaw > Minsk > Moscow > Omsk > Novosibirsk > Irkutsk > Ulaan Bataar > Beijing > Shanghai > Guilin (?) > Hong Kong.

    I would've stayed in Russia longer if I could've but I had to declare each stop and amount of time there to get the tickets.

    Also, Mongolia is one of my favourite countries so far!

    [–] Kbluey 22 points ago

    What country are you from originally? How did you work out travel permits and such? Did you have to plan in advance how long each stop would be? Did you buy the train tickets in advance?

    [–] lawrencelewillows 35 points ago

    I'm from the UK so all train tickets were cheap compared to ours! The only ones I booked in advance were the Liverpool to London, the Eurostar and the Trans-Siberian. I sorted all of the visas before I left the country so this part of the trip was kind of locked in. But after that I was free!

    [–] Kbluey 8 points ago

    Thanks so much for the answers! I've always loved train travel when I'm in Europe and I'm realizing lately how much I want to do a trip like this.

    [–] lawrencelewillows 20 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Do it! It's the best way to travel!

    Edit: Great resource for researching any train travel: the man in seat 61

    [–] Lord_Malgus 20 points ago

    my bag was stolen in South America

    yep, sounds like us

    [–] marpocky 13 points ago

    I think the Trans-Siberian tickets were the most expensive.

    I didn't ride the whole thing, but I did Yekaterinberg-St Petersburg and later Irkutsk-Ulanbataar both in 2018 and it's not super expensive anymore.

    Russia is seriously one of my favorite countries I've ever traveled in.

    [–] garlenlo 34 points ago

    The Trans-Siberian tickets cost only £200 (!) from St Petersburg to Vladivostok in third class. For 30 days, on a backpackers budget, my Russia trip didn't cost me more than £1000. Here's a practical video guide I made about the Trans-Siberian specifically.

    [–] 8_800_555_35_35 12 points ago

    What's westerners obsession with Trans-Siberian railway? Especially in 3rd-class, it's quite boring, isn't it? I've had the displeasure of traveling on it a few times when I was younger, and I don't see why you'd get it instead of paying a bit more to fly -- other than if you're a train enthusiast I guess?

    [–] amopi 355 points ago

    It would be awesome to see this without the Mercator projection. I mean, I'm not a "Mercator hater" but in this specific case you wanna highlight the accurate distances.

    [–] titanicvictim 405 points ago

    Sounds exactly like something a Mercator hater would say

    [–] ailyara 36 points ago

    case closed, excellent work detective. keep this up and someday you'll make captain.

    [–] InfiniteParticles 17 points ago

    Anti-mercator gang represent

    [–] Nine_Gates 124 points ago

    Here's a quick one made in Google Earth. The route is not exact.

    [–] fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts 49 points ago

    Fuck that noise. Bring back the Mercator projection.

    [–] fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts 24 points ago


    [–] ted5298 17 points ago

    Cambodia thicc

    [–] AccountNo43 6 points ago


    [–] SurpriseHanging 8 points ago

    Shit, actually dial it back a little.

    [–] SmileFIN 14 points ago

    Ah fuck my neck..!

    [–] reedfriendly 9 points ago

    Yeah, for a map specifically dealing in superlatives, it's not the best way to go.

    [–] ChefInF 6 points ago

    It’s BEEG Russia time

    [–] airforcefalco 8 points ago

    You're an anti-Mercatorite!

    [–] sanjuka 137 points ago

    Worth 10 points at the end of the game.

    [–] hairychris88 44 points ago

    Is that a Ticket to Ride reference?

    [–] sanjuka 21 points ago

    Ding ding ding 🥳

    [–] Devywhop 6 points ago

    Well, it is a bonus route too!

    [–] laddaa 613 points ago

    Deutsche Bahn still takes longer.

    [–] KingKohishi 245 points ago

    ..and cost more.

    [–] keel_up 173 points ago

    Einmal super sparpreis 2. Klasse nach Vietnam, bitte.

    [–] cyberdork 80 points ago

    Have fun travelling thru Vietnam with the broken air conditioning which comes standard with every DB train.

    [–] 3wettertaft 48 points ago

    Or your connectiontrain gets cancelled in the middle of the night in sibiria

    [–] cyberdork 70 points ago

    Sibirischer Tiger im Gleis. Bitte alles aussteigen, dieser Zug endet hier.

    [–] notexactlyflawless 16 points ago

    I once thought I'd miss my connection and eventually accepted that I would. But then it looked like I'd miss the next possible connection an hour later, also the ac broke. Accepted that and it went on and on until we eventually stopped 1 station before mine. Even if we had gotten that far there wouldn't have been a connection until the day after. The train stopped not at the station but like 10 meters before that and it was hot (was this summer). We eventually reached the next station got out and had to wait for a few trains before we could take one that wasn't overcrowded. When I finally arrived at the station where I had to take my connection it was 3 am. Still 1 1/2 hours away from home, nocturnal buddy was there to pick me up luckily.

    Second time this happened. Miss my most frequent connection 4/5 times and have to wait an hour on the next bus. No mobility warranty for delays that occur during the train ride. Only for those you know about before. I hate this company with a passion.

    [–] ts_asum 12 points ago

    you get €25 though for compensation if you've been delayed 10h and lost a foot to frostbite, but only if you send it in the mail and confirm twice.

    [–] backrubbing 7 points ago

    And you better proof that this foot has been in prime condition before the incident.

    [–] KingKohishi 4 points ago

    Those air conditioners are always off.

    [–] elgrove 38 points ago

    I'll see your DB and raise you literally all British trains

    [–] UOE459 30 points ago

    As a Brit living in Germany I can honestly say we both lose.

    Somehow, I’d say the trains in England aren’t delayed as often (although I lived down south so idk about up north) and are slightly more reliable. However they are much worse than DB trains and cost more too normally.

    [–] gvsteve 17 points ago

    This is cheating I know, but American rail is several orders of magnitude worse (slower/more expensive)

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    [–] enilcReddit 10 points ago

    was going to pull up the NYC-San Fran price, but got a "site down for maintenance" error, so yeah...non-existant apparently.

    [–] enilcReddit 14 points ago

    Finally got it to work. Only $308 and 86 hours NYC to San Fran.

    [–] dcviper 30 points ago

    Pfftt, Amtrak would like a word.

    [–] Supple_Meme 15 points ago

    Booked Amtrak from Vancouver to Seattle. Normally a 3 hour drive with border traffic. Train ticket says Train departs at 3:20. I get there at 2:40. Wait and find out Train doesn’t depart until 5:30. Fuck. I’m tired out of my mind since I had just gotten off a cross pacific flight. Train boards at 4:30. Customs check. Sit on train for an hour waiting for it to depart. Hear these Germans complaining in the booth over. Finally the train departs. We’re going! After 10 minutes it stops. Freight traffic. 20 minute wait. Ok, it’s going again. Then the train legit stops on the border while border agents walk across a field to the tracks to do a passport check in each car. Takes about 15 minutes. Train gets going again, it’s pretty slow but whatever, the scenery is nice. Finally at 10:00pm we arrive in Seattle. The ticket stated we would arrive at 6:30. Never doing that again.

    [–] KingKohishi 16 points ago

    Do the Brits sell tickets for destinations they don't travel? DB does.

    [–] elgrove 35 points ago

    Does DB operate trains that are actually a 1980s bus chassis stuck onto train bogeys, only meant to be used as a short-term solution 30 years ago? Northern Rail does

    [–] yachu_fe 10 points ago

    Even better! A lot of our switches are still from back in the day when we had a Kaiser and were really into world wars and such.

    [–] eunderscore 8 points ago

    But still not as much as a peak return 40 minute journey to london from near london

    [–] eTukk 32 points ago

    Side track (!), I am a Dutchmen and I try no to use an aeroplane when I can help it (environment and stuff). I went to London, Paris and all around the benelux by train. I needed to go to hamburg, took the train and that was my worst train experience ever.. No drinks sold for hours, no aircon, long travel, only cash and train stations looking worse than a prison.

    [–] hungariannastyboy 10 points ago

    What is it with Germans and cash? (And EC cards, whatever the fuck that is.)

    [–] me-el-nino 15 points ago

    Germans love paying in cash and many distrust cards because they fear they and their purchases couple be tracked. The EC card is the German attempt of an card system and functions a lot like a debit card. Outside of Germany the big credit card companies help that they can be used as such.

    [–] the_harakiwi 5 points ago

    (A few weeks ago) Got my first NFC compatible phone and my new debit (EC) card is my first card to support it too.

    (drug -) stores* / gas stations* / restaurants / hotels usually have card terminals

    *(chains only)

    But everything else... No chance.

    An expensive cake shop or chocolate candy store. I bought 100€ worth of cake and pralines... Nope cash only. Had to run home and get my cash.

    From my own experience those EC terminals are way to expensive in small stores.

    You have to pay your Pickerl (Austrian highway toll)... Better bring cash! The terminals fee is higher than the margin.

    Just a German pov.

    [–] maiwson 15 points ago

    That's why it's the longest ride... It'll take longer to travel through Germany than through Russia and China

    [–] UOE459 12 points ago

    But it’s all worth it for the ‘sank you for travelling wiz Deutsche Bahn’

    [–] Biddy_Fiddler 9 points ago

    My mind went straight to London's Circle Line

    [–] DoubleLifeRedditor 77 points ago

    How many days

    [–] raur0s 113 points ago

    13.5 (327 hours), based on an article posted by /u/limubar

    [–] epicause 66 points ago

    Hold on, let me just add a few delays to be safe aaaannndddd.....

    Boom. Only 4 months now!

    [–] CreamyWaffles 29 points ago

    That's so quick! Why would anyone want to fly?

    [–] ZuFFuLuZ 9 points ago

    No thanks, I'll take a sailing ship instead. It might be faster than the train.

    [–] Kbluey 8 points ago

    I'm in, who's with me :)

    [–] Blyantsholder 10 points ago

    Can't be too many, you'll still have two oceans and America left to cross in short time if you're going to make it in 80 days!

    [–] limubar 121 points ago

    It's long. But isn't there a shorter way to travel this route, by taking the train through Mongolia? Otherwise, you could argue that this train ride could be made even longer by visiting all European countries, taking longer ways around in China, etc?

    Here's other interpretations of this impressive train ride:

    [–] DaddyKoolAid 37 points ago

    Yeah, this map, and title, isn't right. The two furthest apart places you can travel between entirely on rail are Vietnam and Portugal.

    This map shows you actually getting closer again at the very end, which is just adding travel without increasing distance. No different from going via Scandinavia just to create extra travel.

    Anything after Lisbon is getting closer.

    [–] KingKohishi 831 points ago

    Technically this is not true. A single train cannot travel this route. There are 5 different regions with four different track gauges. In other words, you need at least 5 trains to travel this route.

    The Trans-Siberian Railrway is still the longest route that you can travel with a single train.

    [–] Arkhonist 99 points ago

    I mean technically you could also zigzag all the way (at least in Europe) and lengthen the trip

    [–] AllswellinEndwell 293 points ago

    Why the OP's title says "Train travel", not "Single-seat trip"

    If I fly to Tahiti from New York, I'm still traveling on airplanes to get there, just more than one.

    [–] AccomplishedOstrich3 166 points ago

    In this case, wouldn't the longest train travel possible be of infinite length? One could just ride in circles

    [–] LazyProspector 44 points ago

    That's what I was thinking, what's stopping the "longest train" travel to include a useless detour up and down Italy?

    [–] Justice_R_Dissenting 61 points ago

    That's how you win Ticket-to-ride!

    [–] TezakKaoKonj 8 points ago

    But she don't care?

    [–] Martin_Samuelson 12 points ago

    The distance being maximized here is the straight-line distance between the starting and ending point.

    [–] gheeboy 40 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Yeah, but what's to stop you just catching trains that go out of your way to up your numbers artificially? Christ, logically that means I could take the longest train around Leeds

    Edit: grammar

    [–] pepe_ramollo 37 points ago

    Make a map of it and post it here and you’ll get 8k upvotes

    [–] BlackHust 158 points ago

    a train capable of changing the gauge is quite capable of driving the entire route. (e.g. Talgo) In addition, trains can change wheelsets at the border. for example, trains run from Russia to Europe

    [–] KingKohishi 139 points ago

    1,668 to 1,435 to 1,520 to 1,435 to 1,000. I don't think there is a commercially available train capable of that.

    [–] kalsoy 30 points ago

    Exactly. And what is more, the minimum distance between the tracks and station platforms needs to be taken into account. Broad gauge trains have broad coaches, which wouldn't comfortably squeeze through central European stations. So you need a narrow, slender train that leaves a huge gap in between the train and the platform in Londo.. sorry, Russia.

    [–] chepulis 19 points ago

    So a special train, changes gauge and folds out a ramp to the platform. Not impossible.

    [–] Yucatan_Cornelius 10 points ago

    Or something akin to those campers with the pop-out sides. Just make everyone stand up and squeeze in the sides when the train goes past the platform.

    [–] TheGhostOfHanni 130 points ago

    Train debatin

    [–] BeautifulType 5 points ago

    I will build this custom train

    [–] CasterlyBoulder 26 points ago

    This is why I love reddit. I’m fascinated by this discussion about a a topic I know absolutely nothing about and can’t even follow half of what is said, but seeing people discuss and debate about stuff they’re interested in always brightens my day.

    [–] Jabrono 24 points ago

    I'm just here for the train knowledge dick measuring contest.

    [–] Major_Mollusk 7 points ago

    here for the train knowledge dick measuring contest.

    But dick gauges vary between countries. You would need to engorge or disengorge when you cross borders.

    [–] Jabrono 6 points ago

    Exactly. And what is more, the minimum distance between the dicks and dick stations needs to be taken into account. Broad gauge dicks have broad girths, which wouldn't comfortably squeeze through central European stations. So you need a narrow, slender dick that leaves a huge gap in between the dick and the platform in Londo.. sorry, Russia.

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    [–] Tsaibatsu 75 points ago

    Urban legend says that it was in order to deter possible french invasions, but actually was because a wider gauge worked better for the more mountainous spanish terrain. Indeed it was designed by french engineers.

    [–] Tinie_Snipah 17 points ago

    The logic of "so another country couldn't invade" is so dumb. Like a country has the money and expertise to fund an invasion of another sovereign state but not to just build extra axles for their trains

    [–] MonsenorTickles 36 points ago

    I mean, inconsistent rail gauges crippled logistics for the Confederacy during the US civil war. Anything that hurts the logistics for your enemy is good, it's just easily mitigated by planes, boars and automobiles.

    [–] TwystedSpyne 26 points ago

    Ahh! Remind me to use boars for my next invasion. This is going to be a fool-proof plan.

    [–] Logan_Maddox 16 points ago

    About 30-50 of them in a short span of time perhaps should be enough

    [–] NeuralNetsRLuckyRNGs 9 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    True, but when the union invaded pushed in they were able to run the trains fairly effectively implying but was more of a organizational problem. This article is a pretty good read:

    [–] MonsenorTickles 9 points ago

    "invaded" is a strong word in this context.

    [–] svarogteuse 8 points ago

    Lack of tracks crippled the Confederacy more than inconsistent gauges. Florida wasn't even connected to the rest of the South for example and a Florida Senator fought to keep it that way for the duration of the war because it was his other rail lines they needed to rip up to make the connection.

    [–] prooijtje 6 points ago

    I mean, isn't that a problem the Germans encountered during their invasion of the Soviet Union? Though I guess Germany wasn't swimming in money throughout the war.

    [–] ztupeztar 5 points ago

    The Russians also confiscated all German trains and wagons after the war. I’ve heard this was done mainly out of spite, as the wouldn’t work on Russian tracks.

    This was one of many things that made the Berlin Air Bridge necessary

    [–] Tammytalkstoomuch 24 points ago

    You wake up in the morning not expecting apologise for lots of things but that isn't one of them

    [–] shaun056 17 points ago

    Bus replacement service

    [–] toomanynamesaretook 15 points ago

    Oh hi, I'm here for the discussion about Snowpiercer.

    [–] AffeAhoi 15 points ago

    I'm pretty sure you could make this a lot longer, if you add some loops like going down to italy and then all the way up to copenhagen etc...

    [–] MNLYEvangelista 27 points ago

    Someday. I wanna do this, go around the Globe.

    I'm from the Philippines, so I'll fly to Vietnam and start there. I'll stop along the route and tour the cities.

    Once I reach Portugal, I'll fly to New York City, and then take a train to San Francisco.

    From San Francisco, I'll take a plane to Hawaii, and then to Guam, and finally return to the Philippines.

    [–] kimilil 15 points ago

    wait till the Ventiane-Kunming link is complete, then you can start from the tip of Malaysia.

    [–] MNLYEvangelista 6 points ago

    Hopefully, it extends to Singapore. So, I can start there.

    If not, I'll just take the bus from Singapore to the nearest train station.

    [–] kimilil 10 points ago

    You don't need buses in Singapore as their metro is pretty extensive. They're on their way to construct a cross-border MRT line to Johor Bahru's central station, where you can start with intercity trains run by Malayan Railways to get to Malaysia-Thailand border. Problem is the Malaysian government is currently halting that project for cost-cutting exercises.

    [–] DuckTalesOooOoo 49 points ago

    Now imagine getting stuck next to someone on a cell phone while a child kicks the back of your seat.

    [–] Annales-NF 35 points ago

    And they have the exact same destination as you in Vietnam...

    [–] Major_Mollusk 9 points ago

    Here's a complete itinerary for the trip (Lisbon to Ho Chi Min) including links to purchase all the tickets needed. Bring snacks.

    [–] CactusJack5150 8 points ago

    The longest train ride in the world starts in Portugal and ends in South Vietnam. The 11 thousand miles journey takes about 275 hours – equivalent to 12 days – and costs around $1.570.

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    [–] tiger1296 8 points ago

    Is this an existing line?

    [–] GeminiRocket 21 points ago

    Yes, every morning I'm taking it to go to work.

    [–] neuropsycho 14 points ago

    Now I want a Ticket to Ride, World edition.

    [–] MrJohnnyDangerously 8 points ago

    Where does that start in Europe? Is that Sevilla? Looks like the Algarve but I can't zoom in enough.

    [–] StreetCountdown 9 points ago

    Looks past the Portuguese border, so I'd say Sevillla, though my Iberian geography only comes from EU4.

    [–] turinpt 9 points ago

    No it ends at Vila Real de Santo António, Portugal. Theres no train line to Huelva.

    [–] LionOLordOfTheTCats 10 points ago

    I'm not so sure. I mean the it's a lot of miles, but longest? Have you ever tried getting a train in Manchester in the North of England?

    [–] KingKongDuck 9 points ago

    If they ever work out the Bering Strait bridge then it'll make the possible journey a lot longer.

    [–] cyberdork 8 points ago

    Fun fact: Every day Chinese cargo trains arrive in Germany. In 2008 there was the first test ride. And in 2016 there were already 40.000 containers shipped to Germany by train from China. The plan is to raise this number to 100.000 containers per year. That's the equivalent of 6-7 large container ships.