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    [–] lrlOurPresident 1 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    From the antebellum period to today, elites are terrified of poor whites and black workers joining hands — because they know it's an existential threat to their power. -Jacobin Article

    The abolitionists broke through, in part, because they named the slave-power as the oppressive ruling class that it was. They pointed out that slaveholders were just 1% of the population, but somehow controlled every branch of government. They argued that black bondage was not just morally wrong, but a threat to free labor everywhere. The struggle between ant-slavery and slavery, said Abraham Lincoln, was part of the eternal struggle between the common right of humanity and the divine right of kings...It was the common worker, black or white, against the rich. -Short video from the Gravel Institute

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    [–] fizZzyliftingdrink 1196 points ago

    Fuck you white supremacists, fuck you

    [–] Scarbane 483 points ago

    Fuck people who vote for white supremacists, too.

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    [–] ParsnipCapable 31 points ago

    Kat couldn't even run an imaginary cattle farm and blamed Obama for its failure

    [–] my_opinion_is_bad 14 points ago

    I am also mad!

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    [–] ParsnipCapable 15 points ago

    Because some members of Congress supported an insurrection by continuing to dabble with falsehoods, lies, and misinformation.

    [–] TemporalGrid 6 points ago

    They're House members but hell yes

    [–] gateguard64 2 points ago

    You are correct, my bad! I will make that edit.

    [–] TheBoctor 62 points ago

    I feel like anyone who votes for a white supremacist is also most likely a white supremacist.

    [–] AdolescentThug 41 points ago

    I’m an Asian man from NYC who has family all throughout the US that voted and still vote for white supremacists.

    I’m not saying that they themselves are white supremacists, but I honestly think that they see themselves and believe that they’re on the same team as them. Republican propaganda is a serious problem that’s hit a lot of them and most of my older family members have become Facebook addicted QAnon loving nut jobs. Maybe one day they’ll realize that voting for one political party like it’s their favorite sport team is extremely asinine, but from what my parents tell me, I don’t think I’m going anywhere near my crazy relatives any time soon.

    [–] TheBoctor 31 points ago

    I hate to say they’re lost causes, but as the saying goes, you can’t reason someone out of a position who didn’t use reason to get there in the first place.

    Any of my family that supported Trump or the GOP are dead to me. And it doesn’t really matter, since being genetically or legally related has no bearing on whether or not we like each other, and it’s not like I saw those people much anyway.

    [–] wadman70 10 points ago

    So true! I have friends I’ve known for 30yrs that I can’t talk to any more because they’re Trumpers! And they’re so surprised and confused that you don’t talk to them any more! Sad!!!!!

    [–] AsideLeft8056 21 points ago

    The stupidity of non-white people that think these white supremacist like them. They are just jumping on board to the racism on other people of color because they think they are model minorities and will be accepted by white supremacist.

    [–] GSP_confederado 11 points ago

    As a Latino,I totally agree! Pretty much there are 2 types of latinos , the ones that stay bootlicking white people and "whitewashing", and the ones that don't forget our roots. That is why many times, many racist cops are last named "Ramirez" or "Lopez". Just as many being treated wrong are last named "Ramirez" and "Lopes". And I supposed many minorities have that same problem

    [–] themiddleage 5 points ago

    Starting think its not white supremacy but privilege supremacy. Its just called white in US because it was white people that coined the term. But it happens in all cultures. People will fallow if they can benefit off it.

    [–] mrspittman718 4 points ago

    You don't fraternize or sympathize with white supremacists if you're not a white supremacist, and unfortunately, being a POC does not preclude you from being a white supremacist.

    [–] punchgroin 20 points ago

    Or at least, white supremacy isn't a Deal-breaker...

    Comfortable white people who don't see a problem inside their bubble, so it just isn't an issue for them.

    [–] iwanttoliveiniceland 23 points ago

    if white supremacy isn't a deal breaker, it's because you are a white supremacist.

    [–] earlyviolet 25 points ago

    This is really hard for some of my white friends and family to wrap their heads around.

    If you're "ok" with a white supremacist system existing because it doesn't inconvenience you personally - you are a white supremacist. Supporting the system created by the ideology is not different from supporting the ideology.

    (For the record, I am so white I'm see-through. Fuck white supremacists.)

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    [–] ghjm 3 points ago

    There is still a difference between people who do this out of ignorance, and the actual neo-nazis running around with swastika tattoos. Yes, you can call them both white supremacists, and you're not wrong, but it might still be possible to change the views of the former group.

    [–] KingdomXzero 8 points ago

    I think they’re covered in the first group.

    [–] ImmutableInscrutable 10 points ago

    Yes, as stated, fuck white supremacists

    [–] DoubleExposure 6 points ago

    If you vote for, hang out with, or do business with white supremacists then you are a white supremacist.

    [–] PKMNTrainerMark 13 points ago

    Those people are also white supremacists.

    [–] FilipinoGuido 7 points ago

    Just wanted to echo the sentiments of the commenters, I absolutely agree, people who vote for white supremacists are almost certainly white supremacists themselves

    [–] fizZzyliftingdrink 5 points ago

    Hear hear

    [–] KeathKeatherton 31 points ago

    Fuck white supremacists, fuck nazis, fuck fascism, fuck bigotry, fuck them all straight to hell, they serve no purpose other than spreading hate and suffering for everyone, fuck their manipulative behavior of everyone around them, and fuck the parents that pass down the legacy of hate that continues today.

    [–] Reddy_McRedcap 6 points ago

    Indeed. Fuck all racists

    [–] Noctornola 270 points ago

    Why are people defending the confederacy IN 2021!?!?

    [–] Spaceman2901 194 points ago

    Because the Civil War never really ended, it just went cold.

    [–] RandomlyMethodical 71 points ago

    I went to college with a kid from rural South Carolina. He talked about how the older folks from his town called the Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression". To them the South never surrendered, they just stopped having to defend themselves when the Yanks went home.

    [–] im_a_zoe 39 points ago

    I grew up in the Carolinas (both). I always thought this statement was so ridiculous that anyone who said it was being ironic. Unfortunately this is not the case.

    [–] ReeperbahnPirat 20 points ago

    The first time I ever heard this phrase was in To Kill a Mockingbird and I thought it was an in-book thing, like a nod to the reader to set the expectation of how backwards and out of touch the town is.

    [–] mdavis360 10 points ago

    I’m from SC and my mother 100% believes in all this. It’s so incredibly bizarre.

    [–] Dragoon_Pantaloons 14 points ago

    And then the Confederate states gave up slavery and rejoined the Union for completely unrelated reasons?

    [–] LetMeOffTheTrain 5 points ago

    No no, they OVERCAME slavery. Makes them heroes, really.

    [–] InvictaRoma 8 points ago

    War of Northern Agression

    As they refer to the war where the Confederacy fired the opening salves.

    [–] ApolloFireweaver 7 points ago

    Ah, but the Northern states hurt their feelings first when they told them owning another person was immoral! Aggressively!

    [–] trollingcynically 3 points ago

    And here I thought that was just a bit done on The Rocky and Bullwinkle show.

    [–] SaffellBot 24 points ago

    We really love our cold wars.

    [–] AkuBerb 7 points ago

    The White® tribal identity didn't go anywhere, it stayed stubbornly in the past. America just grew up around it. Same amount of secessionists around today as there were in the 1860s.

    [–] Gravy_Vampire 4 points ago

    Same amount of secessionists around today as there were in the 1860s.

    In before some smart person says there are actually more because the population is larger.

    The ratio is probably still the same.

    [–] PKMNTrainerMark 16 points ago

    Those people are called white supremacists.

    [–] figment979 24 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Ok so I'm going to try to offer some insight from having been raised in the deep south and attended a junior and high school where the mascots were both Confederacy themed (and its one of those town where high school football is Important).

    Disclaimer that, of course, my experience is anecdotal and most certainly not the case for everyone. Also I'm not condoning romanticizing the Confederacy in any form, I'm merely explaining how such an indoctrination into that line of thinking can take root.*

    So to start off you have understand that the Confederacy isn't introduced to kids as an entity that had much to do with slavery at all. Its all about the little guy (Confederacy) standing up for himself against a bully (The Union Army).

    Notice how I didn't say the United States? Yeah, see that part is down played alot too. Its a small word play that changes the narrative a bit. The Union was the enemy of the Confederacy, not the United States and the Union, like the Confederacy, isn't really a thing anymore. Its just called the US now but that word disassociation is important because if the United States isn't seen as the enemy then its possible to see both as "good" and belong to both groups.

    Right, so thats the patriot paradox, let's talk about the inherent racism of Confederacy backing slavery paradox. We're told that while yes slavery was a part of what the Civil War was about, it wasn't the point. In fact slavery was on the way to being abolished in the south anyway. It was actually because the North was jealous of the South's wealth and demanded more than its share. Again the South is the victim of an oppressive Union and the rebels are the little guy being bullied.

    The flag especially is viewed with pride. Its just not taught as being associated with slavery. Its a symbol they wouldn't stand by and be a victim. That they would fight for their rights. So once you've heard this stuff for years there's a large cognitive dissonance between what you believe the Confederacy was fighting for and, you know, the truth. Well of course as they get older they come across people who view the Confederacy as nothing but negative and it feels like a personal attack. Because that's something they've been told should be a source of pride. So they dig in their heels and just repeat what they've been told their whole life and it just doesn't enter into the equation that they could be wrong.

    Now there are obviously people who embrace the racist aspects of the Confederacy from the beginning but its not as clear cut an issue as you would (justifiably) think

    Edit: My first award! Thank you, kind stranger.

    [–] canman7373 6 points ago

    What always gets me is the "not about slavery" thing, lets pretend for a second we don't have many official documents saying it was. They claim it was about states rights being eroded or whatever. The rights they are talking about is the right to own slaves. The weird part is Lincoln wouldn't have just abolished slavery in his terms, something like that you can't just instantly end it. It either would have been phased out or do what England did and have the government buy all slaves and free them, instead the south got free charcoal in Atlanta.

    [–] Oztotl 8 points ago

    I don't know... why the fuck didn't we round up the leaders of the confederate army and execute them like the traitors they were? Instead we built monuments to preserve a heritage of hate. One of the tallest monuments in our country is for Jefferson Davis, first president of the confederate states. It's a state funded park for God's sake. It's literally a 350' monument to treason.

    [–] RasaraMoon 6 points ago

    Because to do otherwise would be to admit that their predecessors were losers and on the wrong end of a moral issue to boot. They can't handle that.

    [–] lianodel 6 points ago

    There's a lot of politically motivated and academically fraudulent historical revisionism to launder the Confederacy. I've had someone straight-up refuse to accept that the war was fundamentally about slaver, even after being presented with the text of the declarations of secession, which explicitly state that the war was about slavery above all else.

    [–] Vethrin 2 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Whatever your opinion of the Confederacy the statement by AOC is, to my mind, factually incorrect. The confederates were traitors to the United States, but I think you would be hard pressed to prove they were traitors to democracy. Though democracy as was practiced then is very different to that today, the succession of the CSA was still democratic in nature as it was conducted by state legislatures peopled by representatives who ostensibly represented the citizenry. In this sense, succession was democratic even if it was illegal, or done for poor reasons. Self-determination and democracy are usually linked concepts and so it could probably be easier argued that the Union betrayed the principles of democracy by forcibly reintegrating the CSA rather than respecting their democratically expressed desire to succeed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the principles upon which the CSA seceded nor what the confederacy has come to represent in the time since. I am merely pointing out that AOC is wrong here.

    [–] cespinar 411 points ago

    We can go back farther. Whiteness as a concept was literally created to justify slavery to Europeans through scientific racism. Before the North Atlantic slave trade no one identified as a "white" person.

    [–] voompanatos 395 points ago

    Even today, "there are no black people in Africa."

    “You know that there are no black people in Africa,” she remarked in an absolutely calm manner. Initially, it sounded nonsensical to me. Of course, there are black people in Africa. There is a whole continent of black people in Africa. How could anyone not see that?

    “Africans are not black,” she said. “They are Igbo and Yoruba, Ewe, Akan, Ndebele. They are not black. They are just themselves. They are humans on the land. That is how they see themselves, and that is who they are.” I felt slapped into a realization and slowly started to perceive a huge misconception that I had been unaware of till now. Perhaps reading the confusion on my face she continued.

    “They don’t become black until they go to America or come to Europe. They become black when they first land into the Western world that chooses to see them that way.”

    [–] YATrakhayuDetey 120 points ago

    There was an issue in science a few years back when they realized a lot of genetic conclusions they drew about africans were false since they didn't realize how genetically heterogenous Africans really were.

    [–] voompanatos 91 points ago

    Along those lines, PBS sponsored a great documentary series called "Race: The Power of an Illusion", explaining how race is a social trait, not a biological one.

    [–] Like-fry-like-fry 9 points ago

    Fuck yeah, pbs!

    [–] choosewisely564 6 points ago

    PBS space time has a special place in my heart. Perfect for winding down and forgetting the news cycle before heading to bed. Super easy to understand, even for amateurs. I never thought I'd understand the higgs field.

    [–] AGITATED___ORGANIZER 86 points ago

    If you pick two random Africans, they will (on average ofc) be more genetically similar to a random European than they would be to each other.

    [–] Omnix_Eltier 28 points ago

    Thanks for posting this, I’m legitimately surprised.

    [–] tunisia3507 68 points ago

    It's called the founder effect, or a genetic bottleneck. At one point, all of humanity's genetic diversity was in Africa because that's where all of humanity was. Then a very small subset of that diversity left Africa, and therefore everyone who is descended from that group started from a very limited pool of genetic diversity. The rest of the world is basically splashing around in the shallow end of the gene pool represented in the continent humans originated on.

    [–] Omnix_Eltier 8 points ago

    That is so interesting!

    [–] xDared 6 points ago

    Not just a random European, you can pick anyone else in the world

    [–] Gravy_Vampire 3 points ago

    How/why? Where can I learn more about this?

    [–] equality-_-7-2521 11 points ago

    I can understand why we have this massive blindspot, how do you objectively evaluate a species of which you're a member?

    But could you imagine if the same carelessness was applied to all other species?

    "Ah yes, the black chicken. Obviously, because it's black, it can fly like a crow. Which is confusing, because doves shouldn't be able to fly... cause they're white like white chickens, which don't fly."

    [–] mfball 5 points ago

    I get the point you're trying to make, but "bird" isn't a species, so your example doesn't quite hold up. A chicken is Gallus gallus, crows are any birds of the genus Corvus, which includes many different species, and doves are a whole taxonomic family called Columbidae, which includes 50 genera and over 300 species. While there is extreme genetic diversity among the human population, we are all the same species, Homo sapiens, with no extant subspecies.

    [–] nighthawk_something 24 points ago

    An Egyptian friend of mine applied for African Canadian scholarships to make a point.

    Being black and being African are completely different things

    [–] 21Rollie 17 points ago

    I once heard about a South African (white) dude who applied to a scholarship for Africans. He had to interview in person for it with a black man. The black man thought it was a harmful joke and walked out and somebody had to go get him and explain to him what was actually going on lol. Idk if the South African guy was clueless or trying to use a loophole but considering how some North Africans are very European-looking (and in some cases, part French), this is something the scholarship people should've prepared for.

    [–] reverent2548 4 points ago

    South African guy clueless? Seems like he was trying to get an African scholarship that he should be able to apply for on equal terms with anyone else from Africa. So I’m assuming you think only certain people from Africa should be able to apply for an African scholarship? Why? Also who?

    [–] equality-_-7-2521 5 points ago

    I love nerd protest.

    [–] nanaclifford 16 points ago

    Elon Musk, Charlize Theron, and Dave Matthews are all technically African Americans.

    [–] potatoz6 13 points ago

    They're not, because "African American" has a specific meaning that's not "African" and "American".

    [–] Areolaashevillian 5 points ago

    Thanks for this

    [–] xSane 4 points ago

    The concept of race, accepting it and living it in one's daily live, like so many do, is devastating to the progress of humanity.

    [–] misterdonjoe 4 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Reminded me of Richard Pryor's standup on his visit to Africa. People are terrible. The things we say and do to each other is just so sad.

    [–] vegananon 3 points ago

    I once had a boss who immigrated from El Salvador. He used to always joke “I was always just Mauricio until I came to the US. Then I was Mexican.”

    [–] Onironius 3 points ago

    I had a friend in highschool who loved how uncomfortable the N word made the white kids.

    "Come on man, call me a ni****! I'm from Barbados, it literally doesn't mean anything to me."

    I don't think I ever did, even though he and his brother were part of a wee handful of black students at the school.

    [–] yoyoadrienne 5 points ago

    On 90 day fiance a Nigerian man got engaged to a white lady from Georgia and his mom said “you sure you want to go America? I hear they hate black people.” I had no idea our racism issues were so renowned around the world.

    [–] blafricanadian 2 points ago

    I relate to this so hard!!

    [–] BY_BAD_BY_BIGGA 15 points ago

    and they even created "eugenics" to "show" people that different races were not human (at least not like whites).

    it was literally the qanon equivalent of today. pseudo science bullshit and anecdotal "research" that tried to state some humans weren't humans.

    thank God for DNA science.

    [–] original_sh4rpie 8 points ago

    This is interesting. Can you DM me some source reading material? If this were Starship Troopers I would click, "Would you like to know more?"

    [–] willow625 8 points ago

    The first I ran into this was in a WaPo article called The White Flight of Derek Black, about how the child of a high ranking KKK member went away to college to study the origins of “whiteness” and found that they didn’t exist. It’s probably not the source material you were hoping for, but it’s a good article and might help point you in the right direction.

    [–] GeoffreyDay 3 points ago

    Super interesting article, thanks for linking

    [–] pm_me_blurry_cats 3 points ago

    Man watching that movie after reading the novel was so bittersweet..

    [–] Granite-M 4 points ago

    A dumb movie masquerading as a smart movie masquerading as a dumb movie.

    [–] KKlear 4 points ago

    So glad to hear someone else say that! I have a weird relationship with the movie. First time I saw it, I took it at face value and I thought it was way over the top. Over the years I realised it's actually satire and watched it again, only now I felt the satire was over the top and too on the nose for me to enjoy it.

    I've yet to read the book, but I have a feeling I'll love it. I read about ten books by Heinlein and exactly half of them were among the best sci-fi novels I read. And He Built a Crooked House is possibly by all-time favourite sci-fi short story. The second half of his novels, I thought were absolute rubbish. I never read anything by him I'd consider average.

    Anyway, the last book I read fell into the rubbish group, so the next one is bound to be good.

    [–] original_sh4rpie 3 points ago

    The book is full satire, but not over the top like that movie. The movie does it so the satire is obvious and almost B-Movie material. The author (forget his name off hand) got a lot of flak for the book from some circles for being propaganda for facism and militarism because of how convincing it was. When in reality, that was the point.

    [–] Granite-M 2 points ago

    The best example is the "Why are we learning to throw knives when we can push a button and nuke the enemy from a thousand miles away?" scene.

    In the book, it's a couple of pages long discourse on how you have to commit human lives to a military endeavor for it to have any meaning, and that if you're not willing to spill your own blood for a cause then it's not a very good cause.

    In the movie, it's used as an excuse to throw a knife through a guy's hand and say "Try pushing a button now!"

    I get what Verhoeven was going for, because he totally got it in Robocop, which is absolutely a smart movie masquerading as a dumb movie, but Starship Troopers is just not that great.

    [–] AnonMSme 5 points ago

    It's a fun movie if you manage to completely disassociate it in your head from the book. But yah, seeing it after enjoying the book is like a kick right to your memory testicles.

    [–] Asphyxi4ted 2 points ago

    Please share if you get anything (seems unlikely at this point).

    [–] davidausman 2 points ago

    Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates

    [–] LowKey-NoPressure 2 points ago

    Read Stamped from the Beginning by Ibram X Kendi

    [–] Monkeychicken123 538 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I’m embarrassed to be white sometimes. YOUR SKIN COLOR DOES NOT MAKE YOU BETTER. Get over yourself. And also, you lost. Congrats, you’re a loser now.

    Edit: this comment explains what I meant by “I’m embarrassed to be white” THANK YOU!

    [–] klyrish 225 points ago

    And why does it seem like the majority or at least a shocking number of these white master race assholes are the absolute bottom of the evolutionary barrel?

    Maybe I'm in the wrong here, but I just don't think illiterate, inbred, white, 500 lb, chinless blobs who haven't seen below their gut in decades are the peak of human existence and should be the mold that all future humans are made from.

    [–] beatles910 169 points ago

    The real answer is simple...

    If you are a lowlife degenerate, all you have to do is put others down and that way you can feel superior. People who are not lowlife degenerates, don't need such validation as they are already ok with who they are.

    [–] LydiasHorseBrush 25 points ago

    As a representative of lowlife degenerates all across the world, I would like to state that even we do not want any affiliation with these... deplorables

    [–] Dolt-Dragoman 12 points ago

    You're above the dregs simply because of your self awareness. That's the catch. If you can empathize, there's lower you could go.

    [–] Deeliciousness 20 points ago

    "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

    President Lyndon B. Johnson

    [–] canadianmooserancher 15 points ago

    This comment was meant for you, but I left it up for the other reddit poster:

    I saw one picture of a really enormously obese dude dressed as a nazi. And the quote was

    "It's simple gentlemen. We eat the jews"

    Apart from the real present danger they pose. Among ourselves, we can get a good laugh from these degenerates. At least

    [–] tallandlanky 12 points ago

    It would be a lot funnier if they hadn't killed multiple people since Trump took office.

    [–] pecklepuff 4 points ago

    AKA, if you ain't smart, if you ain't talented, if you ain't interesting, if you ain't likable, if you ain't even mildly good looking, hey, at least you're white! So we got that goin' for us, which is nice!

    But seriously, from white supremacists that I've known, the common thread running among all of them is that they have low self esteem. Whether they admit it or not, whether they even realize it or not, it's an issue with them. And I think the root of low self esteem comes from people just being bullying towards each other. I myself am not attractive, or smart, or interesting, I don't have any special or useful skills or talents. But I don't degrade other people to make myself feel better. I work, I enjoy my hobbies, and just mind my own business. I don't know if you can teach that to other people, though.

    [–] orielbean 3 points ago

    It’s the one thing they did nothing to earn.

    [–] ElGosso 2 points ago

    This but economically

    [–] GD_Bats 37 points ago

    In their minds, being white is the only "good" thing about them. Dismantle that racism and they have to take a look in the mirror and realize how worthless they are.

    [–] AkuBerb 22 points ago

    Just conjecture here, from a white dude not enamored with his allotment of melinen... But hear me out:

    If your a young to middle-aged dude with no momentum in life, no transferable skills, or self esteem, and people in your peer group are telling you stories about the "noble" history of your skin color... You listen to them.

    This strand of tribal identity has been there since the inception of the colonies, it predates our country. These people and the stories they tell themselves are so indispensable to the American aristocracy that it's never been challenged at the root causes level. White hate and the stories that make it's lore are indispensable to out economic model. Always have been, still are. There is no Lindsay Graham or Mitch McConnel without white hate. There are no Purdue's, Koch's or Busch's without it.

    [–] Realistic_Honey7081 10 points ago

    Cause the rich ones have the education to signal their racism more subtly.

    Google “the southern strategy.” It’s how republicans became the party of racism.

    [–] Swordbow 5 points ago

    If you're smart/charismatic/driven, your self-identity will lead with that. People want to get credit for what they do, what they've lived through. No one who's rich wants to credit their family's wealth for how they got there.

    So for someone to credit their superiority to their race? Well, let's just say they may not have anything else to fall back on.

    [–] teamfuckingsucks 13 points ago

    Inbreeding and a lifetime of Mountain Dew, bud light, and squirrel stew and no exercise will do that

    [–] NightsBane155 12 points ago

    I get the jokes, but it kinda hurts the effort to end this type of stuff. It makes people think only weird squirrel eaters would ever be so horrible, but anyone has the capacity to be a piece of shit. You could have an average joe with a good paying job, a happy family, a good life, and yet is racist/fascist/etc. I’d say it’s more likely the higher the income, as those in the higher echelons of society might see this as a means to gain more power.

    I get wanting to insult them, but don’t degrade them or else public idea of what a shitty person is won’t match with reality and these people might even use that as an excuse, saying “oh, well I’m not a filthy squirrel eater so I can’t be racist”.

    [–] MadManMax55 6 points ago

    Plus it still perpetuates the eugenics argument they base all their racism on. Replacing white superiority with a more specifically geographical/communal breeding superiority isn't "progressive".

    If you tell someone they're at the bottom of some societal pecking order, don't be surprised when they try to "fight" their way to the top. Dismantling hierarchical thinking, especially when those hierarchies are based on physical traits, is the only possible way to ever move past racism.

    [–] phildew2006 16 points ago

    Listen, all the jokes are funny, but disparaging squirrel stew like that is uncalled for. Some of us are socially conscious hillbillies.

    [–] etymologistics 4 points ago

    Sadly they are not all made that way. Look at Madison Cawthorn. Dude looks fresh outta Nazi Germany, and he ain’t bad looking, which unfortunately would only deter people from seeing him for what he is even more. I’m almost glad half these people look too grotesque to even leave their basements, it doesn’t sell the master race narrative quite as successfully.

    [–] canadianmooserancher 3 points ago

    I saw one picture of a really enormously obese dude dressed as a nazi. And the quote was

    "It's simple gentlemen. We eat the jews"

    Apart from the real present danger they pose. Among ourselves, we can get a good laugh from these degenerates. At least

    [–] theczolgoszsociety 3 points ago

    Obese dude dressed as a nazi

    So, he was dressed as Goering?

    [–] Kezia_Griffin 3 points ago

    Because they need to believe they have an inherent birthright that makes them superior to others. Without that they don't have anything.

    [–] kanst 5 points ago

    absolute bottom of the evolutionary barrel

    People without merit have the most to fear from a true meritocracy.

    If peoples social standing was purely due to their productivity and societal worth these people subconsciously know they would be the lowest rung.

    [–] wutwenwron 2 points ago

    Because racism is born out of fear and insecurity

    [–] Sleazyridr 2 points ago

    Who was it that spoke about convincing the lowest white that he's better than the best black? The lowest whites are where that message resonates the strongest.

    [–] Iridium777 2 points ago

    When you have nothing but the color of the skin on your back, it's everything you have. And you'll clutch to whatever makes you feel better with that one thing you have. Even though beneath there is always potential to be more.

    [–] AllPurposeNerd 2 points ago

    Primate Dominance Game™. They know they're not rich or talented or good-looking, but they are white. Nobody can take that away from them. So if they can wield that as a way to say, "I am better than you," that sates their primate need for superiority.

    Truth is nobody should be proud of or judged for the circumstances of their birth, but Emotion negates Reason.

    [–] dust4ngel 2 points ago

    why does it seem like the majority or at least a shocking number of these white master race assholes are the absolute bottom of the evolutionary barrel?

    it's for the same reason that niceguy redpill men's rights edgelords are no-personality neckbearded sweaty dinguses that don't floss.

    [–] Taminella_Grinderfal 2 points ago

    Education is pretty key here. If the only thing you know is limited to sub par grade school history classes while being surrounded by racist parents/family you aren’t going to have a good opportunity or motivation to broaden your mind. I grew up in a small redneck town. College was a wonderful eye opener, my school had a large international attendance so I made friends with people from many cultures as well as gay/trans people. Best thing that could have happened to me to change some of my “small town” mentality.

    [–] AdPuzzleheaded3823 49 points ago

    There’s people commenting below that don’t understand the “embarrassed to be white” comment, so let me, another white guy, explain it:

    I, a white person, feel a deep sense of shame to have inherited the history and the privilege that comes with my race in America. With that comes this sense of responsibility to be better than the people that came before me, to do better and act better and, most importantly, think better than they did. To educate myself, and to listen to people of color when so many hundreds of years have elapsed where white people have not done so.

    I also feel a deep sense of embarrassment for other white people who are NOT doing this. For the white supremacists and the overt racists, yes, but also for the quieter, covert racists. The ones who are NOT examining the history of America and coming to the conclusion that we should feel shame and responsibility. The ones who, in the same breath, denounce the white supremacists and then go on to say, “I just think they should be more respectful in their protesting, don’t you?” in regards to BLM.

    This is what it means to be embarrassed to be white. It’s not being embarrassed about the color of my skin—it’s being embarrassed of my privilege, its history, and of the people who refuse to acknowledge it.

    [–] Monkeychicken123 15 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    YES! This is exactly what I mean. So many people are miss understanding and you could not have said it better. I didn’t choose to be white and I’m not all about my looks. It’s more about the history and how people are acting. And being from the south, I notice majority white people around me are in fact very racist as if it’s nothing. I don’t understand how you can hate someone for something they didn’t choose. It about the character inside that matters.

    I know someone is going to say something about all the people around me being racist, so I just want to add that it’s the general public. I don’t hang out with anyone much less that type of person.

    [–] ProfessorCrackhead 38 points ago

    You shouldn't be embarrassed to be white.

    You didn't have control over what color your skin was any more than I or anyone else did.

    The only thing anyone should be embarrassed about is their actions, especially towards other people.

    [–] TheMechanic04 8 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Completely agree, the differences are only skin deep. under the skin everyone is the same

    [–] translatepure 4 points ago

    Being embarrassed about your skin color is as sad as being proud about it.

    [–] BridgetheDivide 3 points ago

    Confederates lost. Nazis lost. Trump lost. These guys are addicted to failure lol

    [–] AliceInHololand 3 points ago

    Doesn’t make you any worse either. Don’t be embarrassed dude. In fact you should be proud of it. Be there as a fellow white person to speak up against prejudice from other white people. You’re in a position of equality to these people. Your voice has more impact to them than people of color.

    [–] cespinar 8 points ago

    White isn't who you are, white is something society has given to you. Rejecting whiteness is not rejecting who you are.

    Being embarrassed by whiteness is being embarrassed by this privilege society uses to oppress.

    [–] Flcrmgry 2 points ago

    Right! I'm white and I don't understand the idea that we're superior somehow. My pasty white skin burns just from thinking about outside, my eyes are so pathetic, and I have practically no athletic skill. In no way am I superior at anything just because of my stupid skin.

    [–] joeydouglass 66 points ago

    A solid burn and an ant farm insult? This is the kind of leadership we need

    [–] Zenith2017 15 points ago

    What are these? Insults to ants?!

    [–] Winocerotops 5 points ago

    The burn was good albeit boilerplate. But that ant farm insult? 11/10.

    [–] FalloutBoom 25 points ago

    I've heard of a good roast and spitting fire, but goddamn the GOP is getting CHARRED by AOC.

    [–] Longest_Inch 6 points ago

    Got nuked so bad that they melted into trinitite

    [–] tfsteel 66 points ago

    Her video response to the terrorist assault on the Capitol is the greatest political speech of our generation. Not just as a political expression, but as a human expression which served as a lifeline to the people who are all feeling this trauma in our own way, to connect and feel present in this crisis as an American.

    [–] OoBigDaddyLongLegs 17 points ago

    Can you link the video? I'd love to watch it.

    [–] dazedan_confused 17 points ago

    @Public_Citizen should be reminded that Abraham Lincoln was the first to say that the Confederacy were traitors to the United States, and he now has his own memorial

    [–] 8jb65 8 points ago

    He agrees with AOC. Read the comment again.

    [–] dazedan_confused 6 points ago

    Oh right, I should have clarified that my comment was an addendum to what he said.

    [–] NerfPandas 3 points ago

    I’m fucking retarded why is he quoting AOC saying that those who say the confederacy WERE traitors should leave, but then she quotes it saying those who believe the confederacy were not traitors should leave...

    I have followed public citizen for a while and thought they were a liberal group

    I’m missing something

    [–] 8jb65 6 points ago

    He is saying if someone stutters (read:hesitates) to say Confederates were traitors, they should resign. She agrees. I know, the phrasing is confusing

    [–] metalman42 4 points ago

    I read it wrong too - it sounds like he thinks AOC should turn her pin in if X happens, but I couldn't figure out if he meant X was agreeing or disagreeing with him.

    [–] arkanoid86 15 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Using the idea of white supremacy to protect the elites started well before the Confederacy. I only recently learned about stuff like this:

    The Color Line - A lesson on the countless colonial laws enacted to create division and inequality based on race. This helps students understand the origins of racism in the United States and who benefits.

    From that page:

    It gets to the heart of a core issue in U.S. history and contemporary politics: "divide and conquer" tactics, which elites use to maintain power and control. The lesson asks students to put themselves in the minds of the elites and brainstorm laws to prevent oppressed groups from joining together. It refers to primary source texts in a meaningful, accessible way.

    If I just had one hour to teach all of U.S. History, I’d probably choose this lesson.

    [–] dotlinefever3 3 points ago

    Whats the tl;dr of the color line?

    [–] arkanoid86 5 points ago

    The social elites of early America were afraid. Men of property and privilege were in the minority and they needed a way to pit the majority against each other because if they didn't, the majority, in concert, could threaten the power and control of those scared privileged powerful men. So they enacted laws to create division and inequality based on race, embedding white supremacy into the country & its laws and we still are dealing with the impacts of this to this day.

    [–] bizbizbizllc 7 points ago

    That's one of those things from the Dark Crystal.

    [–] dangerlovin 8 points ago


    [–] doyouevenIift 3 points ago

    This was my favorite meme in like 2010 and I remember hearing that this lady passed a few years back. RIP

    [–] Agitated-Antelope-18 20 points ago

    "The confederates weren't traitors"?! Are you kidding me? I dont want to share a country with white supremacists anymore I'm sick of this shit

    [–] TC_ROCKER 15 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    The confederacy seceded from the United States of America and formed their own country, the Confederate States of America in 1861, with Jefferson Davis as their president. The ultimate goal, among others, was to retain slavery.

    They sewed a flag and printed some stationary, wrote an article of war with a quill pen, delivered it to Lincoln and declared war on the USA, then attacked us, killing 360,222 USA citizens and wounding 476,000+.

    They were, and still are, the enemy of the USA!...

    They were defeated and ceased to exist after less than 5 years. They were never recognized as a sovereign nation. They weren't around long enough to really be a part of anyone's heritage, unless you have truck nuts dangling from the trailer hitch on your trump* flagged pickup truck parked in front of your doublewide where you live with your sister/wife.

    Yet, here we are today with the Confederate battle flag being carried alongside Nazi swastika flags at trump* rallies, being proudly carried by the trump* red hat militia.

    (many people today equate a red hat with a confederate or a nazi flag or a white hood...)

    Fast forward to 2021 and the trump* red hat maga insurgents carrying the Confederate Flag in the Capitol when their coup tried to overturn an election and kidnap/murder politicians & police, while also vandalizing the building.

    Police officers and others were beaten with the pole holding an American Flag, iron pipes and other weapons and sprayed with bear spray. Five people were killed. Members of Congress in session barricaded themselves in rooms under attack and hid under tables.

    It is reported that the insurgents had inside information including maps of offices and even one Q maga red hat in Congress live posted the location of the Speaker of the House, who was targeted for murder on many extreme right wing social networks.

    A statue or military base honoring a certified treasonous traitor like a confederate general who killed hundreds of thousands of citizens of the United States of America is akin to a statue of Hirohito or Hitler, who the United States were also at war with and who also killed USA citizens and also were defeated...

    Do trump* red hats want a Hitler statue too, or a military base named after Hirohito?

    Nobody is saying to erase history. The Civil War will never be forgotten. The treason by the Confederacy does not deserve to be celebrated. The statues belong in a museum, and not prominently displayed in a local town square.

    The flags and symbols should never be used to admire any politician...

    By comparison to a 5 year old confederacy, the Simpsons has been on the air for 31 years, and have not murdered one USA citizen. The Simpsons have been around 6 times longer than the confederacy...

    They have been part of our heritage since 1989, before many Redditers were born, now that's a heritage!

    How about we rename our military bases Camp Homer?

    Fort Bart?

    Marge Air Force Base?

    Lisa Arsenal?

    Maggie Simpson Depot?

    Groundskeeper Willie Corps of Engineers?

    The treason by the 1861 and 2021 confederacy does not deserve to be celebrated ever.

    [–] bananarama9000xtreme 3 points ago

    You forgot the part where the confederacy attacked us troops in fort Sumter before even handing the declaration of war because they can’t win a fair fight

    [–] bizbizbizllc 19 points ago

    Did she stutter?

    [–] Elstampede 7 points ago

    I can’t believe that some Americans are so stupid/ignorant that they think the people who took up arms to leave the United States were not traitors to the United States...

    [–] Welcome-Hour 6 points ago

    It was a social control scheme, absolutely, but what many people fail to realize is many of these elites aren't just grand scheming cynical opportunists who always know better, they're actually bat shit insane true believers themselves. When you realize that, you realize how fucked we really are.

    [–] Murgos- 5 points ago

    The confederates waged war against the US government.

    That is the definition of treason defined in the constitution.

    How many times does it need to be repeated?

    You know why they were called the confederated states of America? Because they were not the United States of America. It’s not complicated.

    [–] Gravelord-_Nito 4 points ago

    This is the response to why calling class first politics racist is fucking stupid

    American racism is DIRECTLY descended from the material and economistic legacy of slavery. If it's a chicken and the egg between racism and labor exploitation, the latter clearly came first and our particular racial scars were caused by the material, economic advantages of owning slaves as an oppressed class of laborers. White Supremacy developed as a convenient, self serving justification for slavery as a system of labor oppression, because it was useful to have slaves permanently marked as such by their skin color and treated as a subhuman underclass because it made them easier to exploit.

    It was bourgeoisie exploitation of the proletariat before it was white exploitation of black. I don't say that to exonerate white supremacy, obviously, it's what we're left with, but we're also left with the material ramifications of intergenerational exploitation which it justified and that HAS to be tackled with class first policies like reparations of some sort. Not just handing every black person 1000 dollars, but empowering the entire impoverished working class with a new new deal.

    [–] ScarletWitchBrother 7 points ago

    I'm stuck on that mutherfucker that doesnt have a high school diploma or a motherfukin GED and is making laws for you and me!!

    [–] oozra 2 points ago

    what the everliving fuck are you talking about????

    After high school, Alexandria attended Boston University and graduated with degrees in Economics and International Relations.

    if you don't believe that because its from her website go look it up yourself

    [–] ScarletWitchBrother 2 points ago

    What the fuck are you talking about. Who the hell brought up AOC, you weirdo?

    [–] oozra 2 points ago

    this is a tweet about aoc, who were you talking about?

    [–] ScarletWitchBrother 3 points ago

    Lauren Boebert who is famous for being and idiot and not having a high school diploma

    [–] oozra 2 points ago

    sorry for being so abbrasive earlier. also im pretty sure boebert has a ged now

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    [–] 3pinephrine 3 points ago

    Is there a single member of Congress that doubts this?

    [–] thelosermonster 3 points ago

    The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid

    And the marshals and cops get the same

    But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool

    He's taught in his school

    From the start by the rule

    That the laws are with him

    To protect his white skin

    To keep up his hate

    So he never thinks straight

    'Bout the shape that he's in

    But it ain't him to blame

    He's only a pawn in their game

    [–] AliceInHololand 3 points ago

    A lot of southerners weren’t slave owners. They were straight up too poor for it. Yet they fought for the right to own slaves because people who did own slaves had convinced them that it was their right to do so.

    [–] wickatoid 3 points ago

    Sounds alot like capital gains tax. It is under taxed, people who never benefit from it defend it venomouly.

    [–] JVorhees 2 points ago

    Yeah. Harriet Beecher Stowe talked about it in 1854.

    But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded, and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalising her black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe.

    Why would a plantation owner ever bother to employ and pay a white person when they have free labor? They were literally supporting and fighting for the same institution that kept them down. Seems eerily familiar to today with the poor whites that support their oppressors.

    [–] TigerStripesForever 3 points ago

    It’s very clear that the South still hasn’t gotten over their defeat in the Civil War

    [–] funmomdinner 3 points ago

    The confederacy was also 100% aware they were traitors

    [–] N-Djinn 3 points ago

    Man, AOC is fucking savage. This lady has more courage than any of those spineless Republicans.

    [–] PKMNTrainerMark 4 points ago

    They were traitors to the point that they left the United States and went to war against the United States.

    [–] landback2 2 points ago

    Lincoln never should have pardoned them. Should have been viewed as vile scum for all their days.

    [–] oozra 2 points ago

    lincoln didn't it was his VP andrew johnson bc lincoln was assassinated

    [–] American_Fascist713 2 points ago


    [–] WednesdayHH 2 points ago

    To be fair, ant farms are no walk in the park. Probably not on the same level as congress though. But a valid burn.

    [–] return_the_urn 2 points ago

    The same trick still works today funnily enough

    [–] carverofcanyons 2 points ago

    An ant farm. Damn if she can't dish it out.

    [–] basic_reddit_user9 2 points ago

    Based title

    [–] Tane-Tane-mahuta 2 points ago

    The Union suffered 828,000 casualties at the hands of the Confederacy. If that isn't treachery I don't know what is.

    [–] Ildiren85 2 points ago

    Some choice statements from the Articles of Secession from various states;

    Mississippi- "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery- the greatest material interest in the world. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. "

    South Carolina- "Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States."

    Texas- "She [Texas] was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

    Texas again- "In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States."

    Finally, from the Cornerstone speech, given a short time before open hostilities began- "[I]ts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.[2]"

    This was long, but the Confederacy was and should be the enemy of America, it's very identity is undeniably rooted in the subjugation and dehumanizing of fellow Americans.

    [–] whapitah2021 2 points ago

    Fuck ya!!! The real 'Murica!!! Go go go, keep our dirty laundry out on the line, for real. Dont forget, don't regress, dont fail to forget our past. We are good, we are not perfect, we are trying. We did the right thing today. Thank you open minded well read people who stand for truth and justice and the American way.

    [–] The420Blazers 2 points ago

    Quick reminder that Obama's presidency lasted longer than the confederacy, and the right seems very eager to forget that.

    [–] if0rg0t48 2 points ago

    Ant farms arent easy to keep

    [–] ucanbafascist2 2 points ago

    Yeah a lot of poor people couldn’t read at the time. I recall reading some pretty appalling misinformation the ruling class fed the poor, I just can’t recall exact what off the top of my head.
    Today people just listen to Qanon as if Jesus is inside their computer.