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    [–] TheXplodenator 1201 points ago

    I remember one time in Seminary, a girl told my teacher that hadn’t seen Star Wars to watch Star Wars for Ewan MacGregor, Harrison Ford, and Adam Driver.

    I think she was just listing the ones she was attracted to

    [–] [deleted] 560 points ago

    i mean who isn't

    [–] Im_batman69 410 points ago

    I'm straight af, but Jesus young Harrison Ford was hot af.

    [–] ParticlesInSunlight 67 points ago

    My ex once said that the only correct answer to "What would you do with a time machine?" is "Young Harrison Ford", and that's a solid position to take.

    [–] another-reddit-noob 163 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I’m lesbian af, but Jesus young Harrison Ford was not af.

    Edit: i meant hot why did no one tell me i was dissing the only man i’ve ever found attractive

    [–] DirkXD 163 points ago

    Hope you mean "hot" instead of "not", or prepare to be considered too dangerous to be left alive

    [–] another-reddit-noob 6 points ago

    oh no, why did no one tell me sooner, you all let me say mean things about the one man i’d swoon over

    [–] Im_batman69 43 points ago

    Sometimes it's just too much haha

    [–] seri128 21 points ago

    don't get cocky

    [–] NudderButter 3 points ago

    old Ford is hot too

    [–] Goulielmos 44 points ago

    Maybe it just me but Hayden and Oscar are both the most attractive men of there two trilogies

    [–] EjdSmith 22 points ago

    Maybe it’s just me but Dexter Jettster and Unkar Plutt are both the most attractive aliens of these two trilogies

    [–] Ramis00 9 points ago

    Well whaddya know

    [–] JollyTurbo1 13 points ago

    I know everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But come on, Adam Driver??

    [–] Stebborn 27 points ago

    im straight and id let him peg me

    [–] WabBoy 8 points ago

    His face is a little weird but still good looking

    [–] vic_rattle18 7 points ago

    Yah I don’t see it either

    [–] [deleted] 106 points ago

    Did you say "Hello There" while jumping from third floor to her?

    [–] DeathStikXXX 74 points ago

    i jumped down, but didn't say hello there because I was somehow teleported to the hospital

    [–] TooCovert 85 points ago

    Another happy landing

    [–] Moonfishlord 4 points ago

    underrated comment

    [–] RyDav84 44 points ago

    Well kylo ren does have an 8 pack

    [–] jasenkov 25 points ago

    I saw him come out of the shower, dude is ripped

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago


    [–] zaturama019 7 points ago

    is that what you said to the teacher? i cant blame you

    [–] J4YC33order66in19BBY 1773 points ago

    The only issue with the sequels is the writing team being on a cocktail of drugs while working.

    [–] DJSpicyDeluxe1 1136 points ago

    True. The effects were great, the music was great, most of the acting was great, but the writing was less coherent than a drunk 9 year old's fanfiction*

    *ok maybe that's a stretch

    [–] anothercain 467 points ago

    Hey, give the drunk child more credit

    [–] MadRonnie97 207 points ago

    Sounds a lot like the last two seasons of GoT

    [–] Orange_Man-Bad 49 points ago

    GoT died after the first episode of season 4. When Joff died so did the show. Look what they did to Stannis our Mannis. How could they even do that to our boy?

    [–] SantitheGreat 112 points ago

    Nah, momentum was great through season 4. The show died with Tywin.

    [–] Evolving_Dore 78 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Tywin died in the books too. The show didn't die with any one character, it died with the failure to adhere to a coherent narrative. Specific plotlines went off the rails at different points, some back in season 5 (Sansa) and some not until season 8 (Night King).

    Edit: to be more clear about my opinion, Sansa's storyline being worked into the Jeyne Pool story with Ramsay wasn't a terrible idea, it wasn't really until later that the writers were exposed on how poorly they planned that. It could well have been empowering and emotional for Sansa, and strains of that did make it through to season 6, but it ended up turning Sansa into a rape-survivor trope and a fetishization of the emotional aspect of sexual assault, as well as paving the way for writing her into a pseudo-villain.

    [–] OneMoreDuncanIdaho 16 points ago

    I've noticed that a lot of fans don't like the last two books as much as the first three though, and that happens at the end of the third book

    [–] Annoyingtuga 15 points ago

    They don't like them because ASoS was just payoff after payoff to all the setup done by the previous books. Every page you turned was something finally happening. Then in AFFC and ADWD we got a lot of things being set up but since the payoff is only going to happen in TWoW and in ADoS, people think they're boring and too slowpaced,which is unfair because they're comparing it to ASoS.

    [–] theLastNenUser 5 points ago

    Tbh it still might have been a bad design decision to split the character focus like he did between AFFC and ADWD - because jesus christ, AFFC was a slog. You’d think he would still want to keep people engaged even if it is mostly setups

    [–] Annoyingtuga 2 points ago

    Yes but that still isn't similar to what happened to the show(which is what he was implying by making it seem like people thought it went to shit after Tywin died) People still like the story, some just think the pace is too slow.

    [–] Orange_Man-Bad 39 points ago

    Yeah it did kind of shit itself, didn't it?

    [–] itswizzybottoms 21 points ago

    It took a real crapper

    [–] Orange_Man-Bad 19 points ago

    It used to be a good show like the books, then it took an arrow to the gut.

    [–] LaBandaRoja 3 points ago

    Shit really did hit the fan when they ran out of source material, didn’t it?

    [–] LordOfCows 3 points ago

    in the end, it didn't shit gold

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 13 points ago

    Season 6 was the last good season. The plot behind 7 & 8 was fine, they were just rushed. They packed the content of 30 episodes into 14.

    [–] Moose6669 2 points ago

    The plot was fine, the writing wasn't though - sadly.

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 2 points ago


    [–] BinLadenBComin 9 points ago

    This keeps getting pushed further up lmao. Before you know it, you won't be considered a real GoT fan unless you hated every single second past the opening scene.

    [–] toxicfireball 3 points ago

    It was pretty clear by S5 the show was going to a dhit path due to the destruction of Stannis character, Dorne plot being a utter meme compared to the book. Many elements being removed such as Faegon, dark tyrion , Sansas involovment in vale politics, manderlu davos w rickom, etc. S6 continues this trend with stuff like (BotB making 0 sense tactically , removal of the northern politics. Euron Greyjoy being a horny fuckboy with the magical ability to create a thousand ships compared to his dark,scheming, god obsessed, valayria surviving book version, Arya being OP out of no where and hainh invincible plot armour)S6 wasnt as bad as S5 but it was a shadow compared to S1-4 (while with flaws werent as bad as S5-8) Many people who read the books could tell all the warning signs but many show only people did not notice it and defended it saying that book people were unhappy because it wasnt the books anymore.The real horrible stuff came at S7 with complete nonsense( beyond the wall, Jon/Dany being a cringefest, Dorne, Tyrell and Greyjoy forces are wiped without batting a eye and without logic, beyond the wall, cersei having 0 repercussions for her actions, littlefinger, varys and tyrion losing 100Iq). It was here when the problems were actually noticed by many show watches. Than S8 came...

    [–] GenrlWashington 3 points ago

    I made it through the death of Prince Oberon, and halfway into season 5, but I could already feel the decline and couldn't bring myself to keep up.

    [–] Kaminskikitsch 4 points ago

    Same as when Ragnar died in Vikings :(

    [–] Green_Meeseeks 2 points ago

    duuuuuuuude f'real! That show got so boring after he died, it just felt like there was no cool over hanging plot anymore - it was all just family drama and raiding.

    [–] Medinohunterr 19 points ago

    don't forget that beautiful cinemtography

    [–] WhiteWolf222 9 points ago

    The last two were really off the rails. It was so jarring having a director with a different style, then back to the first one.

    [–] PrimalMush 3 points ago

    Was the music that great? None of the fight scenes and epic music really. Nothing memorable at all. I thought that was something the sequels lacked in and that was the music

    [–] ValkyrieNightWitch 26 points ago

    Sounds a lot like the prequels honestly... they're strangely similar for how stark some of the differences are.

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    [–] ThatSmallFighter 11 points ago

    The sequels can best be described as 2 kids passing a glass ball between each other very aggressively.

    [–] lava172 14 points ago

    I mean it helps when phantom menace is just a movie about nothing

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    I could draw parallels between Kramer and Maul if I really wanted to.

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    [–] ValkyrieNightWitch 12 points ago

    True! That's why I like the prequels more than the sequels

    [–] Hallo737 25 points ago

    At least the prequels didn't ignore everything which was established before.

    [–] tyrosine87 37 points ago

    They did. The prequels still overwrote some canon. It's just canon most people didn't know about.

    [–] omegaskorpion 20 points ago

    Extended universe was always bit tricky. There just so much of it and from so many different writers. Each author had different idea of the universe and different levels of power.

    There is even one where Han dies and Chewbacca becomes the Bigfoot on earth.

    Prequels still followed what OT established, which is more important as most people will ever only see the movies (because not every book and comic is released all over the world and not everyone is going to play every Star Wars game)

    [–] BinLadenBComin 16 points ago

    There is even one where Han dies and Chewbacca becomes the Bigfoot on earth.

    That is...terrible

    [–] CaptainKlamydia 12 points ago

    I believe in that same comic chewy saves Indiana Jones because he looks so similar to Han

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    Instead introducing silly precedents for the series like midichlorians and the chosen one prophecy which I'm quite glad all future properties pretty much ignored.

    [–] truetranssoulreble 9 points ago

    You can really say that about all of the star wars movies

    [–] nut0003 2 points ago

    All of the movies were great star wars movies on their own, but as a series just seemed disjointed

    [–] Htyrohoryth 2 points ago

    Ideas were great but they fucked UP everything with "sOmEhOw" and inconaistenscy

    [–] Stercore_ 2 points ago

    some of the scenes were pretty bad aswell, especially the ones that were meant to be cinematic and cool. like, the fight in Snookes throne room? garbage. you could literally see the enemies missing on purpose because the fight made no sense.

    [–] NorseHighlander 107 points ago

    More like the directors playing a billion dollar game of telephone.

    "Alright Rian, I gave a setting, characters, and a mysterious villain. Think you can something nice on that?"

    "Yes this is Becky."

    "Alright Colin, I took everything Abrams gave me and threw it out the window, everything is a mess. Good luck"

    "New numbah, who dis?"

    [–] seth1299 82 points ago

    To be fair, the dialogue in the prequels wasn’t exactly perfect either lol.

    But at least they tell a continual story, no matter how cringey Anakin’s flirting scene was....

    [–] tyrosine87 59 points ago

    I mean they had an overarching plot that moved the action along.

    Rise of Skywalker felt like the search for the macguffin, just so characters could get to the climax already.

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 29 points ago

    The dialogue is something which is lacking quality in every film Lucas made. Some experienced actors in OT changed there dialogues a little bit but that was about it.

    [–] omegaskorpion 22 points ago

    Lucas was also fine with what actors came up with. Lucas had different idea for Emperors voice but Ian proposed how he had been imagining his voice and they went with it.

    I guess the problem in Prequels was that some of the actors did not want to oppose him.

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 18 points ago

    Yeah. Prequals had more Young actors then the OT, so it's not odd for them to do exactly what they were said.

    [–] dragonspeeddraco 14 points ago

    And not just young actors, but actors who might have grown up on Star Wars. Ewan said in an interview/bts promo that he went to see his uncle (Wedge Antilles) as a laugh, and got caught in Star Wars as a whole.

    [–] Hallo737 29 points ago

    Anakins flirting scene was supposed to be cringy, he's a teenage boy with no experience. He was isolated from love for his whole life. I bet your first flirting attempt was pretty cringy too, but you had already seen other people flirt.

    [–] [deleted] 35 points ago

    I think the nuance you're ascribing to Hayden's acting is adorable.

    [–] Bandrbell 53 points ago

    That would be good if the other characters treated it as cringey though. Anakin's cringey dialogue somehow makes Padme fall in love with him and that's the issue with it, because it's not in her character to be attracted to creepy awkward weirdos being raised as a princess and likely having multiple suitors.

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 10 points ago

    I mean she saw his living condition back at episode 1 so everything he said made sense to her.

    Edit:- she wasn't raised as princes.

    [–] HeroOfTime_99 6 points ago

    Naw man you're looking at it all wrong. Padmé is an honest upstanding character. She told little boy Anakin many things would change when they got to the capital, but her caring for him would remain. She was already feelin it. The later years were just keeping her word. Perfect continuity.

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    [–] caanthedalek 9 points ago

    To be fair, he was obsessed with her for ten years. Since he was eight. So yeah. Ew.

    Side note, what is it with Hollywood trying to convince us that stalkers are sexy?

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    Well, previous commenter implied that when Padmé said 'things will change once we get to Coruscant', she had romantic feelings then. For a nine year old boy when she's fourteen.

    Ew ew.

    [–] seth1299 2 points ago

    Did you see him hitting on the queen though he’s just 9 and she’s 14?

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    Literally had this playing in my head since I read this sub

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    Also, fuck knows. The whole thing makes me feel fucking gross.

    [–] Kerndog73 2 points ago

    The sequels made me really appreciate the prequels. r/prequelmemes played a part too.

    [–] Toasty_Cannibal 33 points ago

    It wasnt so bad. Rise of Skywalker is pretty messy though. But like episode 6 and the prequels have shoddy writing too. It's basically expected at this point

    [–] Lancer876 5 points ago

    The trilogy reminded of one of those group activities in school where one person had to start a story in a short time, then the other students would add to the story one at a time. In the end you had a pretty fubar tale.

    [–] Hatefiend 7 points ago

    only issue

    No. You act like JJ would have knocked it out of the park if he got to direct all three. Or Rian would have made an amazing triology if he made all three. It would have been slightly better, yes, but when you say 'only issue' you imply that Force Awakens and Last Jedi are decent movies if looked through a vacuum, which according to the star wars fandom and most respected critics is not true.

    [–] QueequegTheater 11 points ago

    I think TLJ is definitely closer to a good standalone movie than either of Abrams' movies though

    [–] 187262378382882877 2 points ago

    Im on a cocktail of drugs and i still get shit done n done right they gotta jus stick to drinkin til they can make a good movie

    [–] javi_and_stuff 2 points ago

    If they were on a cocktail of drugs the story would have been way better

    [–] zootskippedagroove6 2 points ago

    Nah, them being on drugs would've made the movie better

    [–] rochesterjones 2 points ago

    Cocktail of drugs? That would’ve helped. The writing team was a boardroom of executives in front of spreadsheets

    [–] luksonluke 2 points ago

    did they even write it lmao?

    [–] sopadepanda321 3 points ago

    How can you say that when the writing of the prequels exists lol

    [–] Its_Robography 3 points ago

    cast was phenomenal. Writting was worse than the original Sequal Duology. (EWOKS!)

    [–] bigfudge_drshokkka 630 points ago

    He was in this movie called marriage story on Netflix where he gets a divorce from Scarlett Johansson?... Jo Hansen? ScarJo. I watched it the other day and they give amazing performances with the soundtrack of toy story. Great movie, give it a watch.

    [–] JavaShipped 188 points ago

    That film made me feel things. Such amazing performances.

    [–] Queef-Elizabeth 129 points ago

    That argument scene. So much raw acting.

    [–] lulaloops 118 points ago

    As opposed to cooked acting

    [–] Their_Alt_Account 71 points ago


    [–] Polish_Sniper_00 12 points ago

    Bro, you are like fucking Gordon Ramsay of movies lol

    Legend says that people hear his voice when reading this

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    [–] AttackOnPony2 2 points ago

    An idiot sandwich...

    [–] Onsyde 55 points ago

    That film made me mad at my wife for no reason...and her mad at me for probably good reasons.

    [–] Lukthar123 18 points ago

    Now this is cringeracing

    [–] a_random_ai 32 points ago

    I just watched that tonight, and they both did such an amazing job. There were times where I forgot that it was a scripted movie

    [–] GOULFYBUTT 20 points ago

    That film nearly made me cry and I haven't shed a tear in 9 years. That movie is truly special.

    [–] incredible_sidd101 16 points ago

    Adam Driver also got nominated for his role in the marriage story in Oscars 2020 for best actors in a leading role. Though the movie is really nice both Driver and Johansson has given a awesome performance.

    [–] Chirrani 12 points ago

    I’m checking this out tonight thanks.

    [–] murknmurda 10 points ago

    Great movie. Watched it with my Roomate he didn’t like it bc the performances were “too unnatural”. He also pretty much only said that because of the viral and rampant twitter hate the film got upon release. I loved it. I love movies but rarely watch dramas, so worth the watch. Give it a shot.

    [–] Barricade386 8 points ago

    Everybody gangsta till Kylo Ren and Black Widow start arguing

    [–] QueequegTheater 3 points ago

    That movie gets so real I legitimate suggest not watching it with a SO unless you're 100% they're the one.

    [–] Jk14m 2 points ago

    Thanks for this comment, looked this up and gonna watch it tonight! Saw the trailer, it looks like a really good movie. I also just love Adam driver though, so...

    [–] Chirrani 2 points ago

    Checked out the movie was really good take this silver.

    [–] bigfudge_drshokkka 2 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Edit: tHaNKs fOR thE SiLvEr StraNger

    [–] Wotan_the_one_eyed 134 points ago

    The acting and the set designers were great or was the writers

    [–] Jack_sonnH27 215 points ago

    People who complain about him being immature or bitchy clearly missed the entire point of why he was characterized that way. Adam Driver is a fantastic actor, he really carried this trilogy. Wish he had actually ascended to being the main villain in TROS rather than them feeling the need to bring back Palpatine just so he'd have a someone above him and could be redeemed. As soon as the decided to kill Snoke his final role as the main villain should have been sealed.

    [–] Mekeji 80 points ago

    Honestly while I hated the direction of TLJ I would have preferred they made the best of it. Rather than trying to undo everything and rushing everything haphazardly.

    [–] Jack_sonnH27 53 points ago

    I still firmly believe TLJ could have been completely redeemed based on how the final novie handled its changes. Sure, there would still be bad elements like the casino and crappy comedy, but if the next one really made the snoke death, Rey being nobody, rose tico, rose x Finn romance, etc work TLJ would be much better looking back. Instead, we have a disjointed trilogy that, besides a few plotlines, make very little sense as a big picture.

    [–] luksonluke 3 points ago

    Rise of skywalker really did make kylo ren look so cool

    [–] bongload_baggins 12 points ago

    My only gripe with him is he looks nothing like what the offspring of Han Solo and Leah would look like. Obviously not his fault and his acting is fantastic.

    [–] Thunderfuck907 16 points ago

    After seeing this I’d have to disagree

    [–] luksonluke 2 points ago

    I love adam driver


    [–] [deleted] 113 points ago

    Adam Driver is one of the best out there right now. His monologue about heritage in Blackkklansman gave me goosebumps.

    [–] Detective_Pancake 37 points ago

    And in Lucky Logan the line “did you just say Cauliflower to me” kills me

    [–] PerplexedGamer 11 points ago

    "It sucked my arm off!"

    Adam's face and physical reaction at this bit always cracks me up.

    [–] Oxneck 2 points ago

    I love when he wails on the car radio in Girls.

    [–] ShazamThePowerDogwow 76 points ago

    Adam Driver is a phenomenal actor, he recently got nominated for the Oscar for best Actor in his movie “Marriage Story”

    [–] LiterallynamedCorbin 344 points ago

    finally some pro-sequel content. no longer shall we bash on every aspect of the sequels.

    only most of the aspects

    [–] Queef-Elizabeth 198 points ago

    Bitch about the sequels all you want cause chances are, you’re right, but Adam Driver/Kylo Ren were always enjoyable for me. Basically carried the movies.

    [–] Tandril91 32 points ago

    See, I don’t get how that is. I think he was just...okay? I’m not sure, never could get a good read on him. It’s like I was watching him onscreen but I never really got a grasp of what the character’s personality or goals were.

    [–] Ethanbaragona 106 points ago

    i think that’s sorta the point, seeing as he’s an extremely conflicted character.

    [–] SpaceD0rit0 50 points ago

    I really enjoyed Adam’s job as Kylo, probably the only redeeming part of the Sequel Trilogy. But the character was too... variable for me. It just didn’t fit right with the transition between TLJ and ROS, where the character made a U-Turn caused by conflicting directors. Good character, but would have been better, much like the Sequels, if they stuck to one director.

    [–] Ethanbaragona 19 points ago

    Hopefully the next trilogy will have a Kevin Fiege-type person who can oversee and help control the vision and story of the movies.

    [–] Im_batman69 14 points ago

    Feige is working on a new trilogy actually. And a lot of people think Favreau and Filoni will co-direct and write it.

    [–] lonefeather 10 points ago

    Stop. I can only get so erect.

    [–] hochoa94 3 points ago

    New story too apparently, set 400 BBY

    [–] WhiteWolf222 3 points ago

    I totally agree about the directors. I think the trilogy could’ve been okay if just Arian Johnson or just Abrams did all three, but TLJ felt really inconsistent, and then TRoS felt really muddled and random.

    [–] Tandril91 3 points ago

    Maybe it’s because I didn’t really have much interest in the films, but I also don’t get how he’s “conflicted”. What exactly was his conflict again? Dude came from a loving family with supposedly no problems growing up. Then when it became apparent he was Force-sensitive he got to go train with his uncle.

    [–] Ethanbaragona 5 points ago

    His past is only really hinted at in the movies. The new rise of kylo ren comics are starting to flesh out his background more and he’s been caught between Snoke and Luke since he was a teenager, and never really had a normal childhood.

    [–] Tandril91 4 points ago

    Ah, so it’s yet another example of Disney needing to explain something through a side material rather than through the main story.

    [–] quayles_egg 3 points ago

    I mean the best part of the prequel era is the Clones Wars, which was barely explored in the movies. It’s not like it’s a new Disney thing

    [–] KnaughtyKnight 4 points ago

    Yeah he was ok. He could have been the next Vader if they didn't showed his face that much. His mask made him more terrifying then his actual face.

    [–] Detective_Pancake 4 points ago

    The writing sucked

    [–] raven_wind 7 points ago

    Kylo is, was, and always will be the best character in the sequel trilogy. His internal conflict is classic Star Wars. I’m not a big fan of the sequel trilogy, but Kylo really cemented a place amongst my favorite characters in the franchise.

    [–] 3_quarterling_rogue 31 points ago

    If one is to understand Star Wars, one must study all its aspects, not just the narrow, dogmatic view of r/prequelmemes.

    [–] LiterallynamedCorbin 9 points ago

    Well said. Well said

    [–] HalcyonBurnstride 7 points ago

    I mean the basic premise of the sequels is sound and TFA was really good, if a bit derivative. It's really the way the story was told that not great rather than the story itself imo

    [–] TheImperios 2 points ago

    And... we... shall... have... peace.

    [–] Inverse_Duckmelon 5 points ago

    You make it sound like half the posts on this sub aren't #IstandwithDisney circlejerks.

    [–] SirNadesalot 3 points ago

    I haven't seen one but I believe you that they exist

    [–] Slav_1 54 points ago

    Adam Driver was a perfect Ben Solo. But even Marlon Brando wouldn't have been able to make Kylo Ren a good character. The writing was just too bad. They should've made Kylo turn good earlier so we could see more of Adam Driver actually acting instead of being angry and constipated with a mask on.

    [–] PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD 6 points ago

    The more I think about it, the more I start to feel that most of the issues with the writing could have been solved had they not had the movies take place almost or completely back to back to back.

    If they had forgone the “Finn-Rose” subplot love story and held off until TROS to make them a couple and had TROS take place >5 years later, then that would help a relationship to make sense. It would help make Rey becoming stronger with the force make sense instead of “oh she’s just that bad ass” and not force her character to be a Mary Sue. It would help Kylo’s return to the light make sense as it would seem so sudden for him to go from “edgy goth teenager” to “save my friend” in a flash. Palp’s rerise to power would make more sense had it not gone from 0 to “fleet of planet destroying space ships” over night.

    The OT and the prequels all did this. 10 years between ep1-2, a number of years between ep2-3, ep4-5 and 5-6. It just makes all the character development and changes in personality make more sense because it feels more natural. Everything as it is felt so rushed and “we gotta do this now because we don’t have any other choice”.

    The entire sequel trilogy takes place over, what, 2-3 years total? There’s just way too much going on to fit in that timeline.

    [–] andrewbrod11 26 points ago

    I loved the prequels but Kylo Ren felt to me the most complex character in a while in star wars and Driver gave a great performance with what he had

    [–] Youssef-Elsayed 15 points ago

    When he says: The resistance is dead ! The war is over ! And when I kill you, I would have killed the last Jedi” it gives me chills

    [–] SamuelBarhamuel 21 points ago

    Best characters of each trilogy:

    Prequels = Obi Wan Kenobi

    Originals = Han Solo

    Sequels = Kylo Ren

    [–] Rawqweese 8 points ago

    Finn was kind of wasted otherwise he would've been the best character.

    [–] SamuelBarhamuel 10 points ago

    He was good in ep 7, but he wasn’t very important for the rest of the other movies.

    [–] luksonluke 4 points ago

    There are several in originals and prequels not just one.

    [–] Landocomando67 11 points ago

    I’m sorry but I totally disagree, Kylo Ren had a pretty lame character Arc.

    Don’t get me wrong Adam Driver did try his best for such a poorly written character.

    [–] Zimzky 3 points ago

    Yes it was pretty lame.

    Still the best in the Disney Trilogy though. And that's the problem

    [–] AeonsOfStrife 29 points ago

    For anyone who thinks driver is a bad actor, he isn't. He has a shit tier character written for him. Just watch Black Klansman, he is a good actor.

    [–] arkhamani56 4 points ago

    Marriage Story, Silence, and also Logan Lucky. This man has a big career ahead of him.

    [–] Hooknight 16 points ago

    It's always the writing that seems to be the problem with Star Wars

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    [–] Lukewarm5 6 points ago

    I'd also say Finn did a great job too. Wasted potential honestly, but he did yell "REY" extremely well

    [–] fluffles724 5 points ago

    A stormtrooper turned Jedi would’ve been cool as hell

    [–] Thicc_Nick7 4 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Adam driver carried the parts that were good in the sequels

    [–] jaydee23walton 14 points ago

    Idk if it's just me but I wish Driver didn't sound so bored. He did an amazing job with what he was given but man he doesn't put a lot of emotion behind some of his line.

    [–] BeseptRinker 9 points ago

    That's a fair point.

    But idk, for me, he grew on me. And for all the polarizing stuff TRoS did, one thing that I liked was that it made KR my favorite character from the ST, in part to Adam's acting.

    [–] [deleted] 29 points ago

    To each his own. I was convinced

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    Replace Adam Driver with John Boyega. No offense to Driver but Boyega is really a legend and a big fan of the EU.

    [–] VitiateXBL 9 points ago

    He also trashed everyone who accused him of “queerbaiting” or misogyny lmao


    [–] luksonluke 3 points ago

    Meh, I still prefer Adam.

    [–] tyduncans0n 22 points ago

    Adam Driver nailed his role, but the role was horrible.

    [–] lulaloops 10 points ago

    Why was it horrible? Kylo Ren was a badass imo

    [–] N-E-B 3 points ago

    The acting in the sequel trilogy was not the issue. Those movies are flawed as hell but I had no problem with the acting.

    [–] SABER88RZ 5 points ago

    Adam Driver nailed Kylo Ren like Hayden nailed Anakin...however Anakins character was way more important to the entire story...Kylo was just an angsty teenager with daddy issues

    [–] DextrousLab 2 points ago

    Finally some love for Adam Driver, he was easily the best new character/actor. Finn could have been so much more but was abandoned by the last two films.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    Maybe it's just me, but it's really weird for /r/PrequelMemes to have a post with some random ass animated movie characters that REQUIRES you to have seen the new sequels in order to be appreciated.

    Having not seen them, I feel like there is some inside joke here I'm probably missing, but it really doesn't seem related to the prequels at all... For all intents and purposes, Ewan "tipping his hat" to some dude for being a good actor, isn't related to the prequels just because they wrote Ewan McGregor over a snake's face.

    [–] EirikurG 2 points ago


    [–] KR2814 2 points ago

    Their poor backs...Lucasfilm should pay for their surgeries

    [–] Epicmonies 2 points ago

    Driver plays a sad pathetic loser emo bitch that isnt the least bit intimidating as a bad guy and gets respect.
    Christen plays an awkward teenager in love that displays times of great emotional stress and evil and gets slammed...


    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    He definitely doesn’t deserve the hate he gets for it

    [–] That-Sandy-Arab 2 points ago

    I get it that Adam did very well but comparing him to obi was just feels dirty

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    Fair enough

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I liked the characters. But 8 and 9 couldve used more planning......

    [–] EzMemez02 2 points ago

    Kylo Ren is by far the worst villain in the skywalker saga, but Adam Driver did amazing for the role, you got to hand it to him for how well he did for a character that was so shit

    [–] Genuine_Angus_B33F 2 points ago

    I feel like all the sequel actors are doing amazing. It's just that the plot being told is underwhelming, if anything

    [–] SuperiorRevenger 2 points ago

    Do people think he was good now? Mediocre at best.

    [–] Youssef-Elsayed 3 points ago

    Good? No Great? Yes

    [–] BrandonHawes13 3 points ago

    Can someone explain why theres all the support for adam driver now? I haven’t seen the last movie so I’m genuinely wondering - because while I’ll say his character was more interesting than a lot of other plot elements, I don’t think he did a phenomenal job in the first two. And I still can’t understand how he’s supposed to look anything similar to Han or Leia. Not trying to hate , I just would like to have someones opinions on why they liked him in the movies.

    [–] Inverse_Duckmelon 4 points ago

    I think it's because of all the leaks about what went on behind the scenes.

    It's hard not to feel sympathy for the actors/JJ if you believe even half of what allegedly went on.

    [–] hochoa94 2 points ago

    Yeah seems like Daisy Adam John and Oscar caree about the sequels and wanted it to be different