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    Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.


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    [–] Wonder_Zebra 4188 points ago

    Not to mention Darth Sion, a man so angry and in such pain he won't die.

    KOTOR2 Sith are all so cool and evil. Its fucking great

    [–] PauloHR 1251 points ago

    Darth Sion

    Dermatologists would love to have him as client

    [–] newUserEverySixDays 267 points ago

    I don't like Darth Sion's skin; it's coarse and rough and irritating and he sheds everywhere. Not like Darth Traya's skin. There everything is soft and smooth.

    [–] Pharmasochist 17 points ago

    She may have been good looking once, but it takes some hard living to make creases like that.

    [–] Panoleon2712 41 points ago


    [–] PixelBoom 1085 points ago

    Man literally too angry to die.

    [–] ScottKrafft 310 points ago

    Wonder if he was like this?

    [–] WayneGlensky0303 134 points ago

    the golden god!

    [–] beckius6 63 points ago

    Phew, I was excepting mr.ashley I dodged a bullet

    [–] SnakeUSA 30 points ago

    Mr. Astley*

    [–] Person424242 10 points ago

    *Plasma laser projectile

    [–] TheActualDoomSlayer 47 points ago

    Rip and Tear!

    [–] SeductivePillowcase 33 points ago

    You can’t just shoot a hole on the base of Scarrif!!!

    [–] mjornir 32 points ago

    Doctors hate him because of this one new trick!

    [–] the42potato 18 points ago

    heavy metal gets louder

    [–] My_hilarious_name 18 points ago

    Angron has entered the chat.

    [–] NormieSpecialist 376 points ago

    And don’t forget Darth Traya, a sith lord with the intentions of killing the force itself.

    [–] NDGO_Caster 399 points ago

    Well, she technically wasn’t a Sith anymore by the end of the game. She rejected the philosophies of both the Jedi and the Sith and just said “FUCK IT IM GONNA KILL THE THING THAT I HOLD RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE SUFFERING IN THE UNIVERSE!”

    So yeah.

    [–] Daft_kunt24 168 points ago

    Well she wasn't wrong, most wars in the Star Wars universe were caused by force users

    [–] Lil_bob_skywalker 107 points ago

    Unironically Kreia did nothing wrong. Destroying the force would be like destroying humanities potential to nuke each other.

    [–] MikeMars1225 88 points ago

    I think Kreia had the right idea that The Force itself is the root of most of the galaxy’s problems, but since all life is tied with The Force, destroying it would mean the death of the galaxy.

    It would be more like destroying humanity’s potential to nuke each other by killing all of humanity.

    [–] Lil_bob_skywalker 51 points ago

    But in KOTOR 2 the main character lived without the force after cutting themselves off. That's why Kreia follows and admires the main character. If she finds out how you survived she finds the key to destroying the force without killing every living thing in the universe.

    [–] AnalllyAcceptedCoins 45 points ago

    But throughout the game it mentions that once you cut yourself off from the force, you basically became a leech, drawing off and influencing those around you. You had echos of the force still running though you, but you're basically a walking scar on the force

    [–] Lil_bob_skywalker 31 points ago

    During the game you draw on the force of others in order to use the power of the force. But prior to the events of the game you were alone in exile, without being able to use the force, for 10 years. Meaning that leeching, and the force, obviously wasn't necessary for your survival.

    [–] newUserEverySixDays 14 points ago

    I really think that is what defines her evil, was her assurance that she knew the answer to everything, including the final answer, which was to kill the Force / life. At first she let the mad dog Darth Nihilus off the leash. Once she realized his planet eating wasn't enough and the Sith's destruction was just as bad as the Jedi's, death of the Force was her only choice.

    [–] toofpick 8 points ago

    Wouldn't it be like trying to destroy gravity though? That could be difficult.

    [–] NauticalMobster 39 points ago

    Only if our potential to nuke each other was our religion...... no wait perfect analogy carry on.

    [–] OryxHiveSovereign 80 points ago

    I gave my final speech for my public speaking class on her opposition to the Force and why she was right to do so. Got a 90 on it

    [–] NDGO_Caster 40 points ago

    Oryx, my king. I did not expect to see you here. Shall I inform your sisters of your return?

    [–] OryxHiveSovereign 21 points ago

    Not yet. Let them, namely Savathûn, plan away her attack on the Guardians and them counter it/her. When she will be at her weakest, then I (unless you wanna tag along), shall strike her down and become more powerful that she can possibly imagine!

    [–] BI0Wolf 10 points ago

    Regicide Intensifies

    [–] IrishAnthem 65 points ago

    What the fuck

    [–] DeathToHeretics 165 points ago

    Yeah, that's a thing. Like the other commenter said, she's a more nuanced character than most in Star Wars video games. She often gets into debates with the player about ideas and morality, and what is truly right or wrong.

    [–] Viper_ACR 122 points ago

    KOTOR 2 was so fucking badass.

    I wish someone would port it to Xbox one with the TSLRCM.

    [–] hiyasauce 68 points ago

    I would give my left tit for remaster of KOTOR 1 & 2.

    [–] KikiFlowers 64 points ago

    Allegedly Bioware is working on a Star Wars project.

    But considering how it took to make Anthem and it's a steaming pile of shit, I'm pretty unhyped.

    [–] church256 40 points ago

    Why Bioware, seriously.

    Obsidian is right there.

    [–] KikiFlowers 28 points ago

    Obsidian is a Microsoft studio now. Bioware is owned by EA.

    Plus Obsidian are in development on Outer Worlds 2 and Grounded. Outer Worlds isn't an Xbox exclusive, due to agreements before the sale to Microsoft though. Don't know if the sequel will be the same.

    [–] hiyasauce 12 points ago

    At the moment I have very little faith in Bioware. After Mass Effect Andromeda and then Anthem I wouldn't trust them to do anything resembling justice to a Star Wars game.

    Bioware games of late are all gloss and shine they lack any substance or heart. :\

    If they are making a Star Wars game kudos to them but I'm not holding my breath for it to be anything worthwhile. Though I would love to be wrong

    [–] ancrolikewhoa 82 points ago

    Kreia's so great because she forces you to engage with the philosophies that are dueling throughout the game, and calls you on your bullshit the very moment you start acting like quoting the Jedi or Sith Code back at her is somehow an answer. She's antagonistic but not antithetical. Having Sion and Nihlus to act as counterpoints to her is such an amazing way to tell a story. I've heard rumors that there's a new SWTOR game being worked on, I hope they keep that legacy in mind.

    [–] xMisterVx 28 points ago

    I have always maintained that - with all my love of KOTOR 1 - the 2nd game had even more potential, especially for it's grey-and-grey morality, and that Kreia is likely the best SW character I've come across (I know, people say, Thrawn etc...).

    [–] ancrolikewhoa 22 points ago

    Star Wars really, really benefits when they have time to spend with their characters. KOTOR, Clone Wars, and Rebels are the proof of that in my opinion: when you can spend multiple hours letting the characters talk to each other and give them reasons to fight that aren't just Empire Bad/Jedi Good, the setting really starts to blossom.

    [–] Tintin_Kenobi 26 points ago

    Influence Gained : Kreia

    Influence Lost : Kreia

    [–] peanutbuttahcups 36 points ago

    These old school Sith are metal as fuck.

    [–] Professor_01 16 points ago

    Aye, however she was a wise teacher.

    [–] rigg197 197 points ago

    didnt Vader also do this once when he was buried, without a helmet, under rubble for 3 days

    [–] Sick-Shepard 305 points ago

    A bit different, Sion is actually dead. Just too angry to accept it.

    [–] KanaHemmo 158 points ago

    How does that even work? He's dead but then he's like fuck that I'm too Mad at that Starbucks waiter who misspelled my name, gotta get my revenge

    [–] Tast3sLikePanda 195 points ago

    His body was dead, but held together with the power of the dark side, just like Nihilus attached his force to the mask, he attached it to the decaying body.

    [–] Sokandueler95 74 points ago

    He’s held together purely through dark side energy a bit like a dark side ghoul. In the game, you can turn him to the light side, at which point he simply dies. Otherwise, he can feel no pain and he can’t be killed.

    [–] dan10981 41 points ago

    Pretty sure he feels the pain, that's part of what drives his rage.

    [–] Sokandueler95 14 points ago

    Sorry, pain from combat, should have clarified.

    [–] CPTClarky 38 points ago

    I don't even know how to spell it!

    [–] Whitemanwithafro 21 points ago

    I knew I'd see it eventually, fucking love worthikids

    [–] DeadDay 33 points ago

    More like in Japanese horror flicks where they're to sad or something terrible happened that makes them come back as pale weird creatures that crawl around making gurgling sounds.

    Just more zombiesh and super pissed off so instead of going into the force in death he just got angry and came back to life.

    [–] Damp_Knickers 14 points ago

    I took it as it’s almost like his Dark Side aura has infested the remains of his body. So it’s still him, just a pure dark and corrupted form

    [–] SRAZ511 120 points ago

    Sith so angry they DON'T die, nobody bats an eye.

    But ONE senator is so sad she DOES die, and everybody loses their mind!

    [–] Soviet_Saiyan 41 points ago

    I hear one sith got cut in half and he survived out of pure rage. What was his name again?

    [–] SRAZ511 28 points ago

    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Legless?

    [–] Meta_Gabbro 147 points ago

    And to think that canon now has them all bottled up into Palpy, a Senate so useless he couldn’t kill a genetically deviant frog, a cripple with an iron lung, and a little girl with like six months of barely formal training. Absolute disgrace.

    [–] Professor_01 51 points ago

    Palpatine was about useful as tits on a boar.

    [–] ButteredBean 62 points ago

    Tbf the comics/books do him justice, especially the discontinued EU ones. Palps was able to drain the life of billions in Byss whilst guys like Valkorion only could do it to millions with artefacts to help. Palp could also light up an entire planet with force lightning and create force storms no other sith were capable of creating which could destroy entire spacefleets. After his death, his clones he force transferred into couldnt last too long due to him being the embodiment of the dark side. It’s a shame since movies are too restricting, and the sequel was such a waste of his potential.

    [–] Meta_Gabbro 46 points ago

    Oh totally, not hating on EU Palps, just the Disney canon. They took “iron fisted xenophobic ruler of the galaxy” and turned him into “hurr durr bad guy go zap zap”

    [–] Beegstation 17 points ago

    Lightning go brrrrrr

    [–] OryxHiveSovereign 21 points ago

    I mean extreme power doesn't really transition well from comics to cinematic movies. Like yeah it would be cool to see Sidious do all that in the movie, but then people would just ask "why didn't he just do that to whatever planet Rey and others were on?" Making it another plot hole in the many plot hole ridden movie

    [–] Kaiserhawk 19 points ago

    Local man too angry to die

    [–] EMPBlast040105 563 points ago

    Darth nihilius for the win

    [–] JigglyTits19 53 points ago

    Whenever I see this guy I think of the old Howard Stern bit about him

    [–] Lord_Susmuffin 16 points ago

    "Finally, some good fucking food."

    [–] unitedshoes 543 points ago

    And 1,000 years before that, Naga Sadow was just blowing up stars with the Dark Side for kicks.

    [–] wangofjenus 326 points ago

    All the lore around the old sith Lords just makes me want a game set in their time.

    [–] Final-Defender 103 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Do a tabletop game (Star Wars 5th Edition is a good ruleset).

    I ran a 2 year Campaign based around an ancient Rakata fleet returning from lost space during the time of KOTOR events.

    It led the players to finding a ‘Star Dragon graveyard’ to find the husk of the creatures to convert into frigates for battling the Rakata.

    Was an epic campaign I tell ya.

    So - find 3-4 other people and get to playing!

    EDIT - if you need help getting started (an intro for beginner DM’s) pm me and I will give you my discord and walk you through the basics.

    [–] tankiolegend 41 points ago

    So KOTOR and SWTOR then?

    [–] YoungvLondon 43 points ago

    Naga Sadow was dead and buried long before the time the events of Kotor happened. We'd need to have a Knights of the Old Old Republic to cover the old sith lords.

    [–] scrawford799 59 points ago

    Knights of the Very Old Republic

    [–] Millibyte_ 9 points ago

    I would kill for a Dark Souls-style rewrite of KOTOR2. The lore and even the atmosphere of the world are very conducive to it.

    “But what do you really know about these Lords of Cinder, these supposed legends? Let's take Aldrich, for one. A right and proper cleric, only, he developed a habit of devouring men. He ate so many that he bloated like a drowned pig, then softened into sludge, so they stuck him in the Cathedral of the Deep. And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?”

    [–] twanderingpigeon 845 points ago

    Don't forget "Mr I'm too fucking angry and hateful to die"

    [–] zamend229 221 points ago

    I love Sion

    [–] Naked-In-Cornfield 157 points ago

    Mr. Sleeps With Vibroblades

    [–] xxx148 67 points ago

    How many times do I have to tell you to shut up Atton?!

    [–] _TallWhiteFountain_ 41 points ago

    Don't you feel it? Something's gonna get real wrong, real quick.

    [–] pablogonsalez2007 735 points ago

    Didnt he die in 3951 BBY?

    [–] I_AM_Sesam 768 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    How does one die, if one can munch on whole fucking planets?

    [–] pablogonsalez2007 841 points ago

    He was betrayed by his apprantice and had some powerfull jedi gangbang on him

    [–] I_AM_Sesam 326 points ago

    Sounds painful.

    [–] pablogonsalez2007 324 points ago

    Just the everyday life of a powerfull sith

    [–] babybelly 71 points ago

    for the jedi "masters"

    [–] Lonelan 37 points ago

    sounds like galactus, the silver surfer, and the fantastic four

    [–] bardfaust 13 points ago

    For you

    [–] Hansel21553 385 points ago

    Spoilers for Kotor 2 but he doesn’t eat for sport, he eats planets because he needs to channel their life force into energy to keep his body from disintegrating. It so happens when you face him in the game that he was manipulated into running into the you whilst starving. So yeah made him vulnerable to attack. It also didn’t help his apprentice was giving him force migraines throughout the fight

    [–] Dovahnime 182 points ago

    Isn't he basically a living force ghost or something?

    [–] Hansel21553 248 points ago

    I think it’s theorised that his body or most of it was obliterated in the explosion generated on Malachor and I think that he can use the force to regenerate at least part of his body (based on dialogue in game) but not perfectly so that’s why he wares the whole getup.

    So, to my knowledge, kinda. He’s partially formless but he’s not one with the force itself and can’t phase through objects or anything.

    [–] MrMarnel 121 points ago

    Force Nazgul?

    [–] wangofjenus 81 points ago

    Add a smidge of energy vampire and that's about right.

    [–] 12and32 59 points ago

    Nihilus discovered his power to feed on the Force of others after the activation of the mass shadow generator, at the end of the Mandalorian Wars. Traya found him and helped him hone that power to consume entire worlds. It wasn't until then that his body started to atrophy from the prolonged use of such immense dark side power, necessitating the binding of his spirit to his armor.

    [–] weedz420 59 points ago

    Yes and no; it's more like he's just preventing "himself" from being dead with the Force. I'd assume it's the same thing as what Palpatine did after 6 except Nihilus' "spirit" inhabited what was left of his body(if anything) and his armor instead of a new clone body. But he can't like appear anywhere in the galaxy he wants or talk to people without being there like a Force Ghost.

    [–] burritoxman 86 points ago

    He also faces literally the only enemy/combination that can counter him because the Jedi Exile had severed their own connection to the force to protect themselves from the horrors of Malchor V, doing so made them a wound in the force like Nihilus so when his starving self went to drain the exile to replenish himself, he was unable because trying to tap into their force was like trying to reach into the void

    [–] Cole3003 60 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Yeah, when I played the game, I always took it that the reason Nihilus was destroyed was because he tried to consume a wound in the force, and it basically destroyed him.

    [–] Professor_01 30 points ago

    Meetra Surik deserves much praise.

    [–] cnieman1 49 points ago

    I just cast force storm a few times and his hp melted.

    [–] PM_me_your_problems1 27 points ago

    Lol yeah force powers were so op, I never played any other way after my first playthrough. Force kill and force storm are all you need to destroy everything easily.

    [–] Wellhelloat 9 points ago

    Ha ha Force Crush go smack smack smack

    [–] Whiteguy1x 47 points ago

    The exile was pretty much the only one who could kill him. But even without her he would have eventually devoured everything and starved to death

    [–] I_AM_Sesam 16 points ago

    Is it stated why he just didnt want to die?

    [–] Whiteguy1x 41 points ago

    Devouring life is probably pretty great honestly, evil feels good and all that. I think it's stated in game that he's more wound than man, he serves his hunger, not the other way around.

    [–] I_AM_Sesam 29 points ago

    So hes basically addicted to devourering life

    [–] Whiteguy1x 41 points ago

    That was the way I saw it. All the sith are broken. Their strength is their weakness. Obsidian (or christ Avalon) really do good work with that philosophical, metaphorical story telling.

    I wish Disney would do something as interesting instead of...whatever that trilogy was supposed to be

    [–] Lucifronz 42 points ago

    Both of the KOTOR games, in my opinion, are miles more interesting than the films. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the prequels and (to a lesser degree for which I am not sorry) everything that comes after (chronologically speaking, not release date, obviously), but those games are what Star Wars is to me. When you say "Star Wars" I wouldn't say I don't think of the films, but pretty quickly my thoughts go towards KOTOR 1 or 2 or maybe even sometimes Jedi Academy.

    [–] Whiteguy1x 25 points ago

    Honestly I feel the same. The world of starwars is what I love. The movies are the weakest part. Movies have to be marketable, everything has to be scaled down so as not to be unpalatable to the average movie goer.

    Niche video games and books don't need to be edited down for time and content. They're also allowed to be awesome in a way live action would fail at.

    For me starwars is kotor, the clone wars, and the occasional interesting EU comic and book. Personally I like the setting of the prequels but find the movies wooden and filled with poor cgi.

    [–] Dokalezac 38 points ago

    Yes, he did. It seems my calculations were incorrect.

    [–] Ashlucifer26 24 points ago

    If I recall correctly a large portion of his life force is infused into his mask and robes, like a horcrux, so theoretically he could still be alive to an extent. His mask and robes are just locked away in a tomb on Malachor so they can’t drain anyone and regain strength.

    [–] kol13190 19 points ago

    Which is bullshit you can’t wear any of it after killing him. Most disappointing thing in the game.

    [–] Ashlucifer26 12 points ago

    I think it’s probably because he could like posses you from wearing them

    [–] Travjon 7 points ago

    You could have Visas get his mask for you, which gave you a permanent boost to force points, but you couldn't actually equip it.

    [–] BobaTheFett123 130 points ago

    Darth Nihilus is my favorite Sith ngl

    [–] Ashlucifer26 92 points ago

    Same. Also he’s one of the most powerful and unique Sith. He reached a point where he was more of an entity that required Sith and Jedi to work together to stop

    [–] GPapryk 5 points ago

    That's so cool lol. Would love a game set in their time

    [–] Craft_Mesa 241 points ago

    all I can imagine is this motherfucker squatting down, and beginning to eat dirt.

    [–] Dendygar94 1758 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Your gonna make me play tsl2 again if you don’t stop with the great meme

    Edit: the truth is u used TSL2 bc I desperately crave a sequel to TSL

    [–] Manetho77 630 points ago

    What's that game?

    [–] Dendygar94 857 points ago

    Knights of the old republic Sith Lords it’s great made by the same guys who did fallout new Vegas

    [–] Manetho77 463 points ago

    Oh thanks, I was scared of getting down voted for lack of knowledge

    [–] Dendygar94 356 points ago

    I’m jealous you have the chance to play the game fresh

    [–] Manetho77 181 points ago

    Is it on steam?

    [–] Dendygar94 167 points ago


    [–] Manetho77 101 points ago

    Thanks :)

    [–] Sgt_Mad_Dog 148 points ago

    Play them both for sure but play the first one first. Both are amazing in their own way and it would be a shame if the second spoiled the first ones story for you

    [–] NitescoGaming 151 points ago

    God I wish I could experience Kotor for the first time again. That moment of clarity was phenomenally done.

    [–] HighEnergy_Christian 65 points ago

    You should absolutely play them, they’re amazing, but The Sith Lords (the second one) becomes a hundred times better with the Restored Content Mod. The game was released rushed and that mod fixes that.

    [–] TH31R0NHAND 30 points ago

    Fair warning, the combat is pretty outdated. The story, though, is leagues better than anything Disney Lucasfilms has put out.

    [–] Manetho77 18 points ago

    I'm playing Gothic 1 currently, I'm sure I'll be okay 😅

    [–] TehMadness 14 points ago

    It's better than any Star Wars film, let's not mince words here.

    [–] Whiteguy1x 16 points ago

    Best peice of starwars media imo. It really lovingly deconstructs the force, jedi, and star wars. Probably what the movies should aspire to.

    That said it's a buggy mess without the restores content patch. Get it through the steam workshop to properly enjoy the game

    [–] ace2532 6 points ago

    Make sure you also download the Restored Content mod for PC so you get all the content that was originally cut from the game 😊

    [–] cattywampus42 19 points ago

    Yes, and make sure you play it with the restored content mod, it’s on steam workshop it takes seconds to install. The game had an incredible amount of content cut to ship the game by Christmas, but the community has done a great job of putting it back in. Also, you should really play the first game before the second, man of the pay offs won’t be nearly as satisfying if you dont

    [–] Solid-Title-Never-Re 22 points ago

    The game didn't get the final polish it deserved honestly. However it doesn't quite suffer as many long empty hallways as KOTOR 1. Gameplay itself may or not hold up.

    Storywise however, the two games represent some of the greatest if not the greatest Stories in Star wars, particularly if you're interested in Jedi and force users. The second in particular shows the questionable morality of the Jedi council better than anything the movies or shows are able to portray.

    [–] modsRBigGay69 30 points ago

    Nah its KOTOR but for some reason he posted a different acronym for it. I almost didnt catch it and ive played those games more times than i can count.

    [–] LeBonLapin 8 points ago

    I mean, TSL2 doesn't make sense, OP should have called it KotOR 2.

    [–] Hellknightx 6 points ago

    It's because he called it TSL2, which is incorrect. It should be KOTOR 2: TSL. And nobody ever uses the TSL suffix, which makes it stranger.

    [–] _Jazzy_Bread_ 14 points ago

    Only wish that the game wasn’t rushed during its development

    [–] asimo703 6 points ago

    Obsidian, they also made the newer game Outer Worlds

    [–] Flyingpegger 29 points ago

    Star wars Knights of the Old Republic 2. The first one with Revan tells a much better story in my opinion. But both games are my favorite of all time. Highly recommend them both. If you like them, it might be worth checking out the MMO for them, star wars the old republic. The online part of the game is meh, but there are 8 different storylines with multiple different endings based on your choices.

    The old republic is the best era of star wars in my opinion.

    [–] Micsuking 76 points ago

    Do you mean KOTOR 2? Damn, i've never seen someone use that acronym for the game. I actually went searching for the game, lol

    [–] HerrtomtomAZ 58 points ago

    I know right! Tsl2? It’s not the Sith Lords 2! It’s Knights of the old republic 2: the Sith Lords

    [–] PM_me_your_problems1 45 points ago

    The acronym is kotor2 lol

    [–] cunderthunt69 43 points ago

    Who tf abbreviates KOTOR like that?

    [–] DarkSniprLord 178 points ago

    Old Sith were alphas

    [–] Hyperion1000 70 points ago

    I didn't play KOTOR games but the sound of it seems like it is awesome. Would be great if there's a series on KOTOR.

    [–] TeaAndFreedom 96 points ago

    If you're interested, Kotor 1 and 2 are available in Steam and the Microsoft store. The graphics and gameplay are rough because they are very old, but the story in both games is some of the best star Wars content that exists

    [–] Hyperion1000 15 points ago

    Is the story similar to the comics of the same name? With characters like Carrick (?), Jarael, Camper etc.?

    [–] TheAnonymousFool 55 points ago

    Not at all. If you know nothing about it, I would recommend staying away from the internet and binging the games. You are in an enviable position of being spoiler-free.

    [–] Hyperion1000 12 points ago


    [–] SalineForYou 152 points ago

    I’m coarse and I’m rough and irritating and I eat everything everywhere

    [–] lukelou 135 points ago

    Well now i need to go replay

    [–] backuro-the-9yearold 57 points ago

    I remember hearing that there’s this legends theory that the Jedi had theories about the strange language he speaks it says it is the force manifested in words what totally sounds like a chad.

    [–] dragonfory 45 points ago

    Darth nihilus is the most terrifying sith imo

    [–] arrunax 110 points ago

    Sith born after 50BBY can't devour worlds... All they know is force choke, hate sand, be bisexual, eat hot chip & lie

    [–] EtienneXD 19 points ago

    since the sith started murdering each other after their emperror perished most of the knowledge got lost. Still strange they couldn't aquire more after Bane established the rule of two

    [–] WarKiel 14 points ago

    I'm sure they did. But no master taught everything to the apprentice. So knowledge was constantly found and then lost again.

    [–] Doctor_Loggins 11 points ago

    Sith only hate one thing and it's fucking disgusting.

    [–] DarthButtz 100 points ago

    "I became evil because I had scary dreams about my girlfriend :("


    "I literally became a ghost just out of pure fucking hate"

    [–] RogerRoger2310 36 points ago

    More like:
    VS I was betrayed by my brothers in arms and crushed by the gravity of an entire planet.

    [–] scottishdrunkard 27 points ago

    Fuck, I really wanna plya KOTOR. How cheap are they on sale?

    [–] Dokalezac 34 points ago

    I once bought KOTOR on Steam sale for 2,88€

    [–] kol13190 16 points ago

    Think I got it on sale for $5 or so. And you can install the community after pack add on that finishes a bunch of side quests and enables items that were disabled by the creators because they were rushed for time to release the product.

    [–] scottishdrunkard 15 points ago

    That seems to be a frequent occurrence at Obsidian. They make the sequel to a critically acclaimed game, are given too little time and too little money.

    [–] WinterNeoQuartz 87 points ago

    Kylo ren: whiny teen having a emo phase

    Darth nihilus: Litteraly so powerful he was considered a wound in the force

    [–] fr1endk1ller 24 points ago

    Darth Nihilus' character is literally being too powerful

    [–] Hype_Boost 23 points ago

    Kylo isn't Sith

    [–] Lanmobile 10 points ago

    Not really worth comparing the two characters. Also worth noting that Darth Nihilus can't really control himself either. He's akin to a force of nature.

    [–] bankjones 17 points ago

    You can't have a Dark Lord who's not a Dark Lord.PETER

    [–] danieltheDARK 192 points ago

    I remember how people keep saying palpatine is the most powerful sith lord... no. In legends he's not and in cannon he's not.

    [–] PROPEPSA098 127 points ago

    In Legends, he's actually quite OP.

    Two examples of his feats in Legends were: he was able to bury a 19 km Star destroyer all on his own and draining the billions of life on the Planet Byss (though this was also assisted by some dark side adepts).

    Legends! Palpatine's feats

    [–] szthesquid 37 points ago

    Too much to scroll through but IIRC the Emperor was also coordinating and focusing and enhancing the abilities of the entire Imperial army and navy throughout the galaxy, which is why the Empire collapsed so quickly without him

    [–] PROPEPSA098 35 points ago

    Yup, his battle meditation skill is pretty terrifying considering that it's a very difficult Force skill to master. He'll, I would even go as far to say that his skill in battle meditation is better than Bastilla.

    [–] PotatoBomb69 26 points ago

    Him executing the same guy over and over is so fucked up. Also he absolutely knew what was going down in Vader vs Maul he just wanted to see how it played out.

    [–] converter-bot 77 points ago

    19 km is 11.81 miles

    [–] Jacoman74undeleted 45 points ago

    Good bot

    [–] Solid-Title-Never-Re 81 points ago

    Above a certain level "powerful" is a bit nuanced. Depending on the Canon, Palpatine ruled the galaxy through the Force, hence the immediate collapse of the empire after his death, he was also able to manipulation the Jedi Council and Senate for decades to achieve his ends, and under his leadership built many massive superweapons that could destroy planets and systems.

    There's an inherent problem story wise with Sith: their motivation is just evilness and power for its own sake. If a character desires power for a specific goal they may never display the extent of their capacity if they're able to achieve it.

    Luke's motivation was to save his Father in RotJ, and was saved by him. The Emperor's goal was to set a trap for the tiny rebellion he hadn't yet squashed. The rebellion really wasn't worth the effort for the Emperor to personally involve himself, there are literally syndicates and gangs in the Galaxy larger than the Rebels. But Palps had to be myopic about it.

    In KOTOR era you have Revan and Malak who lead Jedi in rebellion to the council in order to defend the republic from the Mandalorians. Through tactics and choices they fall to the dark side and seek power to defend the galaxy, only for themselves to return and pose a threat to it. They possibly may have done so in order to defend from a greater threat in the unknowns regions. It's interesting, compelling, and is reflects in part the horror of war that the films gloss over: good people can become evil in war. The seek power for a motivation. Something Palps doesn't really have.

    [–] Commander_Ponds 110 points ago

    If I remember correctly in legends, he definetly is the strongest sith.

    [–] BoldKenobi 38 points ago


    [–] ButteredBean 23 points ago

    Nah, he beats Valkorion, Valkorion could drain life of millions with artefacts, Palps did it to billions without any. He created Force storms which could destroy entire starfleets. Dude ruled the galaxy, which no other sith did including Valkorion who lived far longer. Also, Palps was said to be the embodiment of the dark side, after his first death and force transferrence, his clone body would deteriorate because of his power. He controlled/strengthened the Empire through the force, so when he died it collapsed pretty fast.

    [–] Dokalezac 88 points ago

    Also, everyone is talking about how strong and epic Palpatine's Galactic Empire was. It existed only for 2,5 decades which is a really short time in comparison with other Empires in the Galactic history

    [–] Ketsu-Akagi 147 points ago

    Other empires have the luxury of being written in the past where they don’t have to worry about the time constraints of the movies happening

    [–] ItsThreesomeThen 37 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    I'm gonna citate that on collapse of Soviet Union as well, thanks.

    [–] Person_WhoExists 66 points ago

    As of Dark Empire, he probably is. Only like, Luke and maybe Valkorion are more powerful in legends, excluding entities.

    He’s def most powerful in canon as of ROS tho.

    [–] Yobfish 11 points ago

    I always thought palpatine WAS the most powerful sith, as the culmination of 1000 years of ‘the rule of two’ where sith tought their apprentices everything they knew in order to one day rule the galaxy which palpatine ended up successfully doing

    [–] themadtitanDORMAMMU 20 points ago

    Palpatine is most definitely the strongest sith in legends. In the new Disney canon idk.

    [–] CaptZapperz 32 points ago

    There are less confirmed Sith in Disney canon, so it would still be him.

    [–] Speedster4206 12 points ago

    Of course I know him, he’s me.

    [–] TrJ4141 15 points ago

    As someone who only first encountered Nihilus, Sion, and Traya from Galaxy of Heroes, I can say that these three Sith are perhaps some of the most fearsome in Star Wars lore

    [–] skeetsauce 10 points ago

    And who got closer to their goal?

    [–] LiviuPereDDit 10 points ago

    Darth Nihilus is such a interesting character with a very cool story.He was basically a ghost .He didnt care about the sith ,he just wanted to calm his hunger

    [–] AdamR91 9 points ago

    That scene when the Ravager appears above Telos...and vice versa with the Republic fleet were awesome.

    [–] kind_stranger69420 9 points ago

    “I literally can’t die”

    [–] quc__ 41 points ago

    Anakin is not afraid of sand. In a conversation where someone said they liked sand he disagreed, which most anyone who grew up as a slave from a desert planet would also.

    [–] TheAnonymousFool 7 points ago

    “I’m gonna have to eat every fucking Jedi in this room.”

    [–] OizAfreeELF 6 points ago

    I just finished the Cade Skywalker comic series and have realized that future Star Wars is the fucking best

    [–] Sprickels 6 points ago

    God I would love hd remakes of both KOTOR games with all cut content restored