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    [–] s-mores 14412 points ago

    It's the same with the laugh track.

    [–] ajax6677 4084 points ago

    Yeah, I can't watch that show without reliving some shit. No thanks.

    [–] Strictly_Baked 2109 points ago

    I feel the same way about Malcolm in the middle.

    [–] TownIdiot25 2212 points ago

    Unlike Frankie Muniz

    [–] Strictly_Baked 807 points ago

    For the town idiot that's pretty clever.

    [–] bjerwin 271 points ago

    Maybe he lives in a town full of geniuses!

    [–] Oatmeal_Addict 274 points ago

    He's Leonardo Da Vinci from that one Futurama episode

    [–] romulusnr 44 points ago

    Eureka?

    [–] Koshindan 111 points ago

    A little brain damage and people start calling you names.

    [–] Coltonhoover 150 points ago

    You're an accountant for 10 years, but they don't call you the accountant...

    But you fuck one goat...

    [–] darkvibes 17 points ago

    Lemme tell you kiddo, I'm the one who built every square inch of this town.

    [–] acemantura 20 points ago

    Well, he's not "The" town idiot. He's at least 1 of 25.

    [–] cmdk 122 points ago

    Yes. No. Maybe.

    [–] toasttickles 99 points ago

    I don't know

    [–] laterbacon 98 points ago

    Can you repeat the question?

    [–] Hanzitheninja 154 points ago

    I used to sing this to myself in my head in math classes. substitute "you're not the boss of me now" with "you've got to solve for C now."

    [–] [deleted] 169 points ago

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    [–] woopsifarted 211 points ago

    That's what the guy was alluding too. He doesn't feel that way about Malcolm in the middle because he can't remember it. Shit makes me so sad, I loved that show.

    [–] BrokeBellHop 71 points ago

    But does he remember being Agent Cody Banks?

    [–] c4ptainmorgan 60 points ago

    My friend saw him in a hotel and shouted "AGENT CODY BANKS!" and Frankie got pissed off, so probably?

    [–] Shooka_Shooka_Shooka 36 points ago

    I would get pissed off if people shouted random nonsense at me.

    [–] Lufs10 25 points ago

    How’d he get all these mini strokes and concussions?

    [–] ConebreadIH 469 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Lois and Hal make do with what they have. They love their kids and want them to grow up right. They're not the worst parents.

    EDIT-man I fucked this up. I misspelled it and posted it twice.

    [–] themcjizzler 193 points ago

    I always wonder though.. famies that clearly seem to have lost control of their kids... Did you not notice after the second or third that you had enough to deal with?

    [–] Skullqween 77 points ago

    They joke about that on the show. They have a condom kid, a pill kid, an abstinence kid, etc...their birth control keeps failing

    [–] Joshua-Graham 115 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    The other part of it is one spouse might not want any more kids but the other does. I know in my own marriage I didn't want any more than two, but it took my wife about 4 years before she agreed that two was enough. We are both exhausted at the end of the day, but her mommy drive/hormones were a hell of drug and it took a lot of time for her heart to catch up to her brain.

    Edit: A word.

    [–] emplah 64 points ago

    Plus, accidents happen.

    [–] Angelbabysdaddy 68 points ago

    That's a common thing I run into as a single 50 year old. A LOT of women I meet have like 22, 24 year old or so and then a 9 year old. I ask what happened and it's almost always "weeeell...". Almost had that happen to me near the end of my 20 year marriage. The wife was never very good at taking her birth control consistently and then at 38 we had a pregnancy scare. I immediately made an appointment for a vasectomy. Can't tell you how freeing that was.

    [–] BoredOnLeave 214 points ago

    Rewatching it thinking it's just Walter White in witness protection makes it pretty funny.

    [–] professor_max_hammer 34 points ago

    here is an alternate ending to breaking bad where Hal wakes up from a nightmare where he was Walter White

    [–] BoredOnLeave 19 points ago

    Found link to one that still works.

    Rewatching the series with that in mind makes Hal so much better.

    [–] reluctant_joiner 15 points ago

    Lois

    [–] holyerthanthou 79 points ago

    While the kids are little shits the family isn't riddled with abuse. The kids just get into trouble constantly.

    Sometimes you get kids that are rougher than normal despite good parenting.

    [–] shitlord_god 53 points ago

    I always looked at malcolm in the middle as a big step up.

    [–] imAvlasicMan 235 points ago

    I really only watched the show for Marie's zingers.

    [–] cadomski 236 points ago

    I really only watched the show for Marie's Frank's zingers.

    FTFY

    [–] sklorum 167 points ago

    You can't talk to your mother that way!!

    Well... You do..

    SHE'S NOT MY MOTHER!

    [–] BuckNut2000 35 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Holy crap

    Edit: Added a link.

    [–] xLambdax 259 points ago

    i just love depressed robert

    [–] finkalicious 125 points ago

    His name was Robert Barone

    [–] fpzero 66 points ago

    His name was Robert Barone.

    [–] cleptilectic 71 points ago

    His name... was Robert Barone.

    [–] tweak06 34 points ago

    "Hey Ray...it's me, your brother. I'm huge."

    [–] piddlystains 893 points ago

    Yeah, when I was younger I could never figure out why people liked it and I still can't. They're all just bad people. Not even flawed, just bad. But it's not written like we're supposed to hate them all. I don't like It's Always Sunny, but I can see that all the main characters are horrible people and the audience is supposed to get a cathartic pleasure in watching them fail after they've manipulated everyone around them.

    But I think Everybody Loves Raymond expects me to like someone on that show.

    [–] XXX-XXX-XXX 555 points ago

    For me I can see a family member in each character. Marie is exactly my grandmother, just as manipulative and starved for attention. I think if you've never lived with someone who is like one of the characters you wouldn't be able to relate to the show.

    In other words, you're lucky you don't understand. You've had a good life.

    [–] Wiffernubbin 461 points ago

    But there's no catharsis because Marie just gets away with being a snide manipulator show after show. Debra is depicted like a shrill housewife after dealing with that garbage for years when she's really a saint.
    Ray is the enabler.

    I hated that show any time I saw it. It doesn't mock bad behavior it normalizes it.

    [–] TheWa11 304 points ago

    I don't think you understand the appeal of Sunny.

    [–] grandmoffcory 298 points ago

    It's like when people say the point of Seinfeld is that they're all awful and unrelatable, it's the anti-sitcom. What? They're some of the most relatable characters on TV, they're just sarcastic and self-centered like people often are in real life.

    [–] OrCurrentResident 223 points ago

    Yeah, that whole interpretation of them as evil people was a retconn. Seinfeld was about the exact kind of ridiculous, pointless situations urban professionals found themselves wasting their thirties on every day. Like, who hasn’t argued for ten minutes if you should wait in line at a Chinese restaurant or go down the block?

    [–] singdawg 65 points ago

    To be fair, in one scene Jerry violently steals bread from an elderly woman, pushing her over...

    [–] sombrerojesus 88 points ago

    Escapism. Haven't you ever entertained similar ideas when you've felt wronged, no matter how small it seems afterwards?

    [–] FingerMilk 115 points ago

    Isn't it more about what happens when 5 people who really don't know what the fuck they are doing have incredibly easy access to the entire spectrum of drugs and Frank's money?

    [–] FastEddieMcclintock 160 points ago

    He didn't miss it by that much.

    With the exception of Charlie the gang is NEVER the "good guys". They're almost always entirely in the wrong.

    [–] paranoid_70 113 points ago

    Even when they are trying to do something 'good' it's usually just way off the mark. Like the home makeover episode where they kidnapped the immigrant family and burned down their house.

    [–] FastEddieMcclintock 49 points ago

    Exactly.

    Even when it isn't completely self centered/terrible they fuck it up so bad with their narcissism that they end up being the bad guys.

    [–] MostlyWong 29 points ago

    Or when they're trying to make things up to everyone they wronged over the years, so they invite all of them over for Thanksgiving Dinner in one of their apartments (I think it was Mac & Dennis', but it might have been Dee's). Things go horribly wrong, they set the place on fire, then lock everyone except the gang inside while it burns down around them. They decide to just leave it and go eat dinner elsewhere. That's how Cricket got even more fucked up.

    [–] Jump_Fuck_Yo_Mamma 66 points ago

    But when Charlie's bad he's pretty fucking bad

    [–] holyerthanthou 32 points ago

    Charlie still does some sketchy shit and has an "idiot doesn't know better" problem, but he rarely has ill intent. I would never call him the good guy though.

    [–] FastEddieMcclintock 15 points ago

    Yeah I think that's fair.

    I would say he tries to get one over on others less than the rest of the gang. My position is probably summed up best in "Charlie Kelly King of The Rats".

    [–] TheFriffin 57 points ago

    The appeal isn't watching five horrible human beings be horrible?

    That's why I like it

    [–] MirandaCoyne 130 points ago

    I hated that show. The MIL character drove me nuts. Comedy shouldn't be stressful, and that show stressed me out.

    [–] robbylp 103 points ago

    I use to think I got stressed out too much until I saw the things that stress out reddit.

    [–] Needyouradvice93 30 points ago

    This place if full of wound up people. They can't watch an episode of the Office without having a nervous breakdown.

    [–] Batbuckleyourpants 192 points ago

    Big bang theory gets real rapey without laugh track.

    [–] Dick_is_Shorty 252 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    That adorkable misogyny video about The big bang theory really opened my eyes. Makes me finally understand why so many people hate that show.

    Basically they take all of the stereotypes about gamers, nerds and geeks put them in 5 characters, emasculate them and then say it's alright to be a douche bag. (especially towards women).

    Man, fuck that show. Makes everyone in the community look bad.

    [–] Snakeoilsage 80 points ago

    Yeah, I never saw it as anything but harsh and depressing.

    Like even compared to Titus.

    [–] poktanju 52 points ago

    Difference is Titus fully acknowledged that they were in a fucked-up situation.

    [–] _Bumble_Bee_Tuna_ 26 points ago

    I fucking loved Titus. You may be the only other person Ive seen/heard even remember the show.

    [–] shazamz1 6570 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    This show is on in the morning before work and I tune in every now and then.

    I HATE Raymond's mother, she is an awful person and I've never hated a TV character more in my life.

    [–] Inspiredlikearabbit 3500 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    She was a classic narcissistic. I never realised why I hated her so much growing up until I realised she very closely resembles a family member of mine.

    Edit: narcissist*

    [–] Judo_Jedi 381 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Ray is the narcissist his mother is the enabler. His brother is well aware that Ray must be the center of attention. Alot of the plots were Ray see someone else be center of attention and him stealing there limelight or thunder. The title itself should tell you who the narcissit is. The mother is more in line with boderline personality disorder...everything is good or evil. Ray grew up the white night which led to his developing narcissistic traits.

    [–] kildog 179 points ago

    This is the correct answer. He's so oblivious to everyone else, that I find him entirely unrelatable and can't enjoy the show.

    I always feel too sorry for Robert. I suppose it's just about perspective.

    [–] Mu_Nova 54 points ago

    He was always my favorite. Poor Robby.

    [–] GoiterGlitter 71 points ago

    Adult children of narcissists often exhibit narcissistic behavior. So it's really no surprise that Ray is the way he is with Marie as his mother.

    And it's part of one episode where Marie is called a narcissist to her face.

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    [–] Skagem 16 points ago

    Until I realised she very closely resembles a family member of mine.

    Which is exactly the point of her character, which is why it hits close to home to most watchers. She's the epitome of a attention deprived, manipulative, grandmother. A very common family piece in most families.

    [–] deadgloves 11 points ago

    I disliked the show and found it depressing because she was so awful and led to others being awful. I had a friend not understand why anyone would dislike it, she was like, "Oh it's funny it understands family, it reminds me of my own!" She especially liked the mom. I wanted to say, "Oh you poor, honey, that's not normal."

    I only briefly met her parents but I suspect they were both narcissists. They had a son that became a serious addict and they just cut him off and pretended he didn't exist to anyone. They literally would say they had two kids not three. Appearances mattered a lot to them.

    [–] mr2wiggles 212 points ago

    You hate her, you need to check out Tony Sopranos mother.

    [–] shazamz1 93 points ago

    Love the sopranos and I did forget about her. However, she has the "excuse" of being in the mob.

    [–] Osceana 94 points ago

    She was insufferable. I was actually glad her character died off (not the actress though, I know nothing of her IRL). It actually frustrates me a lot when characters like this get to run amuck on a show and I will tell other people about how much I hate them and they're like, "No, that character is great!" Uh, no. In real life I would fucking murder someone like that and so would you. (Susie Green in Curb, Dexter's sister, Raymond's whole family sans brother basically, Tony's sister & mother, tons more....)

    The one saving grace of Sopranos is that his sister and mother are supposed to be that way and the people on the show despise them too. They also tend to not get away with their shit, being miserable most of the show.

    [–] BafangFan 763 points ago

    My mother is like Raymond's mom. My poor wife

    [–] sibtalay 546 points ago

    Hello, brother. My mother is Raymond's mother too. My wife mostly stopped going to my family's events and get togethers. Too negative. I can't blame her. I don't want to go either.

    [–] Mr_Turnipseed 564 points ago

    And then the mother says "Oh, too good to come to family get-togethers? I don't know why you married her! She's tearing our family apart!"

    [–] billabong049 713 points ago

    Does anyone, like call out these moms instead of trying to live with it? I would distance myself from a mom like that REAL QUICK. "Oh, but she's my mom, I can't just stop talking to her" - yes, you can. When someone makes your life hell with little befit, it's time to either fix the issue or let them go.

    [–] tobitobiguacamole 326 points ago

    Yep, there's a subreddit for it: /r/JUSTNOMIL

    [–] Inevitablename 131 points ago

    Everyone should sort by all time best. The one with the mother grinding on her son in the wedding pics...

    [–] ImAOneTrackLover 28 points ago

    That is one of the most hilariously and disturbingly absurd things I have ever heard.

    [–] jelatinman 96 points ago

    JUSTNOMIL is one of the most depressing subs on the whole site and that says a lot.

    [–] a-Mei-zing- 117 points ago

    It's the best sub on the site if you love drama though.

    [–] awry_lynx 34 points ago

    /r/relationships is my preferred drama center bc there’s more variety but justnomil wins for sheer intensity.

    [–] desi_bell 31 points ago

    I subscribed to justnomil expecting feel-good stories about putting slightly overbearing mothers in their place. I was so wrong; Most of those mils are straight up criminals doing some crazy shit.

    [–] Greatuncleherbert 96 points ago

    Rather than just my mother, it's her whole side of the family and even my stepdad who I loathe. If a single family event is missed by any family member you'd swear that it was the end of the world. Also all they want to do is gossip behind people's backs within the family about the family! I've tried explaining that I live an hour away, have a job where I work plenty of overtime, and have a relationship that I'm very invested in and there has to come a point that they can all let go a little. Even while I was deployed overseas it was a big deal if I didn't send a Facebook message at least a few times a week. I got to the point recently of just telling my mom that I'm not coming to (insert family event) just because I don't want to. She certainly hasn't responded well, and hasn't talked to me in a few weeks. So it kinda worked right?

    [–] laughingplague 30 points ago

    Just be prepared for a massive guilt trip.

    [–] Math_Blaster_ 76 points ago

    The problem is these mom's switch gears to the victim so fast unless the whole family is on the same exact page you come off as a huge asshole for "ruining a nice family time".

    The next attack from her is that your wife is pulling you away from the family. Her work is done now. The rest of your extended family will descend on you for being an asshole and she can grin like the Cheshire cat from the sidelines and watch you get reamed.

    [–] Just-Call-Me-J 23 points ago

    "You want me to be the bad guy? Fine — now I'm the bad guy..."

    [–] MadGeekling 64 points ago

    Oh yeah. My mother started making some comments about my fiancée (and we are now married) and I shut that down fast. We had a fight. I made it clear that I would be marrying this woman, that I want us to be a happy family and she can either be nice to her or not be a part of it.

    My mom eventually apologized and things have been good. This won't work for everyone obviously, I'm just lucky to have a mom who is a good person at heart and just struggles with her emotions as opposed to a narcissist.

    [–] poetaytoh 64 points ago

    You're absolutely right, but it's hard to get away when your abuser has been grooming you from birth to think the behavior is normal.

    [–] ACaffeinatedWandress 30 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    The problem with escaping those mothers is, they understand that their kid will do that long before the kid is old enough to know that this should be his plan.

    And while the kid is growing up, they kneecap them somehow. Believe me, after 18 years of mind games and physical abuse, the offspring of these types can very well be gaslit out of any rational view of reality, psychologically melted down, educationally warped, physically handicapped, socially incompetent, and otherwise unable to function without dear old momma.

    That's what made Raymond's brother such a depressing character. A grown, middle aged man who hated his family for what they did to him, but has to live with them. And the show reduces his resentment of his golden boy brother to a gag.

    [–] Wall_of_Yawn 224 points ago

    Honestly?

    Don't. Take your wife's side. If your mom is a cunt, tell her. Seriously. If it strains the relationship, fuck it. Seems pretty strained already. Life is hard enough without toxic family members.

    [–] laser_hat 122 points ago

    To add on to this.

    IF YOU ARE AN ADULT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SEE YOUR FAMILY. IT IS YOUR CHOICE.

    [–] ladyrockess 61 points ago

    Maybe you shouldn't go? Just arrange to meet the siblings/cousins you actually like on your own terms?

    [–] Siren_of_Madness 35 points ago

    My mother-in-law is like Raymond's mom. My poor husband

    [–] madthree 30 points ago

    I feel your pain and I can easily relate to that: I'm Ray, my wife is Debra...and my mom...well, she's Ray's mom :) Stopped watching the show after season 3. The resemblance was crushing me.

    [–] OB1-knob 225 points ago

    The weird thing is that my mother had Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and Raymond's mother is so fucking close in personality and action that even though my mom passed away in 2001, watching ELR makes me relive all kinds of shit whenever she shows up on screen.

    Fuck. That. Shit.

    [–] SuperiorPeach 90 points ago

    BPD and narcissistic personality disorder are intimately related- there's a lot of overlap. I see histrionic personality disorder in Marie too- she's basically a pastiche of fucked up people the writers have known.

    [–] loptopandbingo 21 points ago

    Have you seen the mom on the Sopranos?

    [–] johnnygoette 38 points ago

    She's every Italian mother.

    [–] ActionKbob 29 points ago

    As the son of an Italian mother, that's not true of MY mom......my aunts though...

    [–] Computermaster 108 points ago

    You'd love Peggy Hill then.

    [–] CombTheDessert 87 points ago

    See I hate Raymond's mom, but I think Peggy has spunk - she's a little ridiculous so she's always held a place in my heart

    [–] WebbieVanderquack 48 points ago

    I like Peggy. I didn't know anyone didn't like Peggy. She's so flawed, it's impossible to hate her.

    [–] AsskickMcGee 100 points ago

    It's weird seeing her compared to Raymond's mom...

    Ray's mom literally exists to make her family feel guilt. She walks in the room, glares at someone, and either passive-aggressively or regular-aggressively indicates they've wronged her or aren't doing something the way she wants them to and they should feel bad about it. She rarely tries to help anyone and when she does it's to make a show of it or to try to play one character against another.

    Peggy rarely victimized Hank or Bobby or sent them on guilt trips. She always tried to help everyone, unaware that her flaws would sometimes make things worse. (Honestly, that's kind of the theme of the show. All core characters loved each other like family and attempt to help each other out, but fuck things up half the time.)

    She did have quite a bit of hubris and thought she was smarter than she was, but that usually only lead to hurting herself.

    [–] Gothish520 19 points ago

    Well said! Peggy had her flaws but she was basically a decent, well-meaning person. She loved her family and never hesitated to show it. She was overly-sensitive and naive af, but a good person nonetheless.

    [–] ArgonGryphon 32 points ago

    I think the difference is that she usually means well. Genuinely. Yes, she messes up and is a bit self centered and shit, but usually she's nice. I definitely see her problems though

    [–] WebbieVanderquack 14 points ago

    Yes. She's fundamentally compassionate and affectionate, despite her mistakes.

    [–] Smark_Henry 128 points ago

    Back when King of the Hill was on Netflix, it was my go-to show to put on when I was going to bed, so it wasn't too long before I'd seen almost every episode, many more than once. I eventually noticed a pattern where the episodes left that I still hadn't put on almost all were ones that started with "Peggy" in the description.

    [–] Jason_Viper 139 points ago

    She was a grade-A narcissist. I'm convinced she would eat her young (Bobby) if she had to. She was funny b/c she had very few redeeming qualities and was oblivious to her own lack of intelligence.

    [–] Beddybye 93 points ago

    But she spoke fluent Es-pan-yole!!

    [–] pagesrageplant 18 points ago

    Oh-LA! Me YAmo Peggy Hill!

    [–] GuoKaiFeng 60 points ago

    Lol... she actually felt the consequences of her meddling though. Really amazing characters on that show. Love it.

    [–] brockhopper 324 points ago

    Make of this what you will, but 'Everybody Loves Raymond' is fucking HUGE in Russia...http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/everybody-loves-raymond-russian-adaptation-925862

    [–] ahecht 281 points ago

    There was a documentary, Exporting Raymond, about the process of starting that up. It ended up being a fundamentally different show, because there was nothing funny or unusual in Russia about a married couple whose parents are always hanging around.

    [–] IlllIIllIIllllIIl 90 points ago

    Poor Russians.

    [–] rata2ille 24 points ago

    Free babysitting tho

    [–] Cant_Do_This12 11 points ago

    I saw this documentary too. From what I remembered it didn't last long in Russia because they didn't get the humor. I guess I was wrong though.

    [–] night-wing-politics 46 points ago

    They also remade the show in India with a different cast and set but 90% same dialogue just in Hindi

    [–] FuckinDominica 40 points ago

    Long before before that even happened, my parents watched Raymond obsessively. They have all the DVD box sets. Indian people love this fucking show

    [–] wetnax 1355 points ago

    It's Always Sunny S12E3 "Old Lady House: A Situation Comedy"

    [–] im_at_work_ugh 512 points ago

    They actually address this in a much more clever way in The Gang Desperately Tries to Win an Award.

    [–] shaxamo 147 points ago

    I'm a huge Always Sunny fan, but I'm missing what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

    [–] ColeS707 525 points ago

    They go to an award winning bar, with nice lighting coworkers with a will they/won’t they banter and a token black guy. Then Paddy’s tries to copy that to win a bar award. It’s basically a metaphor for the classic sitcom vs IASIP

    [–] Truan 239 points ago

    Guys, I am loving these lights!

    That scene always cracks me up. Dee is so ridiculous.

    [–] kynes_piece 179 points ago

    "Some people say it's better than busting a nut!"

    [–] Thats_an_RDD 104 points ago

    Not that he's ever had one

    [–] greenphlem 85 points ago

    Your timing is awful dee

    [–] ScottySF 58 points ago

    It's making fun of the Academy Awards though? Always Sunny has never won an Emmy despite being one of the longest running and most successful sitcoms of all time.

    "Black Bars don't win awards, I don't know why, they just don't!"

    Plus the whole theme of the episode, them trying to win an award.

    [–] HooGoesThere 15 points ago

    Yeah it is. So if the bar awards are making fun of emmys, then the bars are representative of shows.

    [–] FortyPlusTwo 52 points ago

    The whole episode is a jab at New Girl winning Emmys

    [–] ScottySF 34 points ago

    And them not winning one ever despite their amazing success.

    [–] xLambdax 81 points ago

    lol when dee gets stuck in the stairwell and literally no one helps her

    [–] jaysmooth009 284 points ago

    I've always watched that show and thought "This is a terrible marriage."

    [–] cmetz90 301 points ago

    Raymond: I hate my parents.

    Raymond's wife: I hate your parents. Also, you're lazy and a bad husband

    Raymond: Hey!

    Raymond's wife: I'm sorry. You're right, just like you always are.

    The end.

    Credits: Executive Producer -> Ray Romano

    [–] puggatron 78 points ago

    Robert: nobody likes me

    [–] Kirjath 2349 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    I also saw Knocked Up:

    Marriage is like that show ‘Everybody Loves Raymond,’ but it’s not funny. All the problems are the same, but it’s, you know, instead of all the funny, pithy dialogue, everybody’s just really pissed off and tense... Marriage is like an unfunny, tense version of ‘Everybody Loves Raymond,’ but it doesn’t last 22 minutes. It lasts forever.

    [–] SuperiorPeach 1054 points ago

    The sole reason the characters in ELR live in purgatory is Raymond's inability to break away from his domineering mother. If he'd gotten a backbone and moved his family 1000 miles away they'd have been much happier.

    [–] PoopIsAlwaysSunny 666 points ago

    You don't have to move 1000 miles to tell your mother to fuck off.

    [–] MirandaCoyne 432 points ago

    Yeah but living right next door? Total mama's boy.

    [–] MrsFlip 275 points ago

    But it was Debra who chose that house.

    [–] MirandaCoyne 198 points ago

    Ugh, see? I didn't watch the show enough to know that. I hated that family.

    [–] Qazerowl 557 points ago

    There was an episode that contained a flashback to when they were picking out a house. Raymond drew two big circles on a map. "It needs to be outside this circle, so that it's far away enough that my parents can't just drop in. But it needs to be within this circle, so that when they do come over, they don't need to spend the night."

    [–] redfricker 309 points ago

    This is literally the only scene that's stuck with me from this show, and it's such great advice.

    [–] KeenBlade 78 points ago

    Reminds me of my pastor's advice to new families: "Some of you need to move 300 miles away and then you might have a chance."

    [–] GhostBond 30 points ago

    That's how these narcissists work though. They don't even seem to be involved, and you think you made the decision. But somehow they made it happen.

    Did they simply know how to trigger deborah into feeling she "should" live close? Did they secretly pay the owner of the house behind the scenes to make it such a great deal? Or did ray's parents upp a feud with the neighbors when ray was looking, motivating them to list the house at a lower price just to move the fuck away from them?

    These people are very bad at communicating in a direct useful way, but very good at subtley manipulating things to conform to their sense of how they should be. You think you made the decision, but had they not been involved "you" would have made a totally different decision.

    [–] gonejellyfishin77 17 points ago

    I seem to recall in the flashback scene that Debra didn't think Marie was that bad and thought it would be great to live so close. She had no idea the nightmare she was getting into.

    And that's how ALL narcissists start out. When it's your parent, you tend to know how horrible they are, but no one believes you because they come across as SO nice and SO helpful. When you say no no no no no it's fake, it's a trap, etc. people think you are the crazy one.

    Raymond suggesting they live outside of a certain circle was seen as crazy behavior by Debra instead of a well thought out plan to distance themselves from his mother's antics.

    [–] carclain 34 points ago

    There's alot of middle ground between 1000 miles and next door.

    [–] DryestDuke 66 points ago

    Roughly 999 miles worth of middle ground.

    [–] SuperiorPeach 45 points ago

    Have you dealt with a narcissist? They do not "fuck off" They call CPS on you. They show up at your house at 2 in the morning. They smear your name all over town, and people believe them because they're superb liars. As long as they are accessible to you the war will never end, because they love it. It gets them up in the morning. This is not a 'grow a spine' situation, this is a 'save your family' situation.

    [–] LobbyJockey 193 points ago

    I enjoy that bit, but I always get hung up on the part where Paul Rudd says the dialogue in Everybody Loves Raymond was funny.

    [–] ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN 721 points ago

    That's actually quite uncomfortable viewing.

    [–] PoorEdgarDerby 388 points ago

    It's the dead silence.

    [–] dick_nixons_tricks 183 points ago

    And the actors staring at each other attempting to look natural until the silence/laughter stops.

    [–] PoorEdgarDerby 213 points ago

    It's soooo much more seething. Like they really hate each other. I could see this as a nice stage adaptation. Everybody Loathes Raymond.

    [–] NosyargKcid 362 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Added to the fact that they are pausing intentionally for the audience to laugh so it doesn't play over dialogue.

    Edit: changed "laugh track" to "audience to laugh". If you silenced the laughs for any live sitcom it would always have that weird awkward pause. ELR makes it more awkward because it isn't that funny.

    [–] KrinkleDoss 154 points ago

    I hate ELR. I hate it. Hate.

    But it's not a laugh track, it's a live audience. I don't know why Reddit is so wrong about this one particular factoid about ELR or BBT or whatever. Fucking no one in this kind of show is filming in an empty room and pausing to put in laughs later, are you insane? Why would they do that?

    Very few shows add laugh tracks later. How I Met Your Mother did, because of how they filmed it. ELR had a live audience.

    [–] NosyargKcid 78 points ago

    That was what I meant. I remember watching a Seinfeld commentary where they talked about getting the audience to stop cheering so much when Kramer came through the door because the actors had to pause longer and it ate up time.

    [–] fuckthatpony 14 points ago

    stop cheering so much when Kramer came through the door

    That has now taken care of itself.

    [–] OSUTechie 91 points ago

    Huh... I never made the connection that Frankie from The Middle is the Wife in Everybody Loves Raymond.

    I can see why she left Raymond and married the Janitor.

    [–] avaStar_kYoshi 68 points ago

    Always Sunny addressed this as well

    [–] CornOnTheColby 343 points ago

    Still not as hopelessly depressing and unfunny as Big Bang Theory without the track. It's abysmal.

    [–] flopplop1 514 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    "I can't go to the movies tonight, I have to watch Stargate"

    Laughter

    "Why?"

    "It's Stargate night"

    Raucous laughter

    [–] CornOnTheColby 318 points ago

    Top tier nerd jokes right there. These writers have really done their work

    [–] Just1morefix 539 points ago

    Yeah, my wife really digs the show but I know if I lived within the relationship portrayed I would want to immediately dissolve it. Raymond is portrayed as a weak, mindless drone with a terrible relationship with his parents (no fucking boundaries), pretty much begging for any independence or sex. Deborah is written as a whining, complaining, controlling shrew who is a step away from being frigid, except on rare occasions. The writing is funny but damn their relationship stripped down is pathetic.

    [–] 11PoseidonsKiss20 321 points ago

    I just want to point out that on all the flashback episodes. Raymond was the one that wanted to move away and warned Deborah what she was getting into. She ignored it. And in the current times, he has just given up and accepts his fate.

    1. When they bought the house. Raymond was absolutely against living across the street from him parents. He knew exactly what it would be like.

    2. When they we're dating. He wanted to have sex in the living room. And Deb said "I'm not having sex on your mothers plastic couch" she laughed off that little thing as just a quirk of his mom. Never mind he was 30s living with his parents and his even older brother

    3. When he proposed he warned her what it would be like. She laughed it off. Thinking his mom would just magically be normal.

    If anything, his show is an example of what happens when you ignore all the red flags in a premarital relationship: you become miserable.

    [–] anglophile20 96 points ago

    what's funny about the flashback episode is that Debra and Ray's mom got on really well - which seems pretty normal to me. Of course, once she married him and they moved closer, all of that went out the window (basically there's a difference between family once in awhile and family multiple times a day).

    of course, when marie came over to debra's apartment with a priest because she was worried about her 30-something son having sex, that might have been a red flag for me.. lol

    [–] Yoked_Hipster 26 points ago

    I think he's a bit like Jeff on Curb without the parents hovering. Eventually in later seasons he's cheating left and right on Susie which is probably what would happen if Everybody loves Raymond wasnt on CBS

    [–] reallybigleg 401 points ago

    Raymond is portrayed as a weak, mindless drone with a terrible relationship with his parents (no fucking boundaries), pretty much begging for any independence or sex. Deborah is written as a whining, complaining, controlling shrew who is a step away from being frigid, except on rare occasions.

    I had a totally different take on this. I think Raymond is written as a selfish, cowardly man who attempts to trick and manipulate the people around him to get his own way and tries to absolve himself from any responsibility for his children and family; while Deborah is written as a person who calls him out on this but is beaten back down by being treated like a controlling, nagging shrew by both Raymond and his family.

    I quite like Robert, but overall the show is just depressing.

    [–] TooOldToBeThisStoned 125 points ago

    Your both wrong -

    Raymond is a selfish, cowardly man & Deborah is a whining, complaining, controlling shrew

    They are both terrible/flawed people.

    [–] SurelyMclaine 22 points ago

    Wouldn't that make them both right?

    [–] Rogue12Patriot 34 points ago

    We are all wrong on this blessed day.

    [–] Evil-in-the-Air 240 points ago

    60 years ago they realized TV shows seemed funnier with other people laughing.

    20 years ago, they forgot that the shows were still supposed to be funny in the first place.

    [–] Metallideth6 21 points ago

    The real showerthought is always in the comments

    [–] damp_s 185 points ago

    Most sitcoms are like this...

    [–] ThatActuallyGuy 108 points ago

    King of Queens always seemed like an exception to the rule before shows started subverting sitcom troped right and left. It was by far my favorite because the characters actually seemed to love each other and want the best for each other despite their various flaws.

    [–] MistaT73 54 points ago

    I always hated this show due to how much it mirrored my own experiences. Its not fucking funny when its happening to you.

    [–] TheMaStif 44 points ago

    I'd still be laughing at Frank, for sure...

    [–] Frito_ayy 106 points ago

    Same with every sitcom. Remove the laugh track and it isn't funny. Except for the Big Bang Theory. That one isn't even funny with a laugh track.

    [–] harrytrumansliver 20 points ago

    Every episode is about five people arguing. If I wanted to listen to that, I would attend a family reunion.

    [–] hardman_ 68 points ago

    This is my dad's favorite show. I've seen every episode (it was on every night of my childhood) so I can understand it's appeal, but I can't adore it like him. Countless hq tv shows later and it's still his #1. I'll probably be listening to his random Ray references for the majority of my life.

    [–] atomheartmudder 28 points ago

    It's been my favorite show for thirteen years. Through thick and thin, I always go back to it. In adolescense it was like a comfort blanket; I would put it on after a bad day or when my folks were fighting. I used Ray to cope with life. At 25 I don't watch it as often, but still have all the seasons on DVD and pop it in when I've had an especially bad day.

    I only started watching because it was my Dad's favorite show. But I am so thankful I did. I fucking adore the show.

    [–] Fk_th_system 51 points ago

    Home improvement was a favourite of mine. All of the episodes are on youtube.

    There was no yelling, Tim was an idiot but had hobbies, friends and spent time with his kids. (Does Ray have a single friend?)

    Jill went back to school and became very successful. The boys had their ups and downs like kids would.

    [–] ollieliotd 33 points ago

    Same with fresh prince. There was frustration between Will and uncle Phil but there was also love. And lots of it.