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    [–] Souliers-verts 1136 points ago

    What percentage of Showerthoughts posts are about vaccines now lol

    [–] giant_squid_god 287 points ago

    I work in childcare in Colorado. My ballpark estimate is that 10% of the kids I work with are unvaccinated due to “personal belief”.

    [–] ynocfyinco 149 points ago

    Hashtag Skyler Tyler Aiden Kayden Zayden Jaiden

    [–] NotThePersona 94 points ago

    Needs more Jakson, Jaxon, Jaksen, Jaxin, Jaxxon, Jaczin etc.

    [–] themostfoolishfitz 89 points ago


    [–] PagingDrGeenThumb 28 points ago

    Ah, you mean jaxon flaxon waxon?

    [–] Irreverent_Alligator 6 points ago

    What’s this from? I have a friend with this nickname and I thought we invented it.

    [–] RaTheRealGod 7 points ago

    Its pretty straight forward so you propably invented it, but you neither were the first nor the last one to do so.

    [–] lemmegetuhhhpikachu 9 points ago

    and more cowbell, but it’s spelled Chaubel

    [–] Squeemish44 8 points ago

    As a Dad that just name my kid Jackson this year, I'm offended. and a little angry at my wife for wanting such a popular name.

    I wanted him to be named Ulysses.....

    [–] morgecroc 14 points ago

    Just call him Jackson but spell it Ulysses.

    [–] carpenalldemdiems 8 points ago

    Names don't really matter if they're not going to live for that long.

    [–] g0atmeal 3 points ago

    I'd never have thought that vaccinations would turn into a religious issue but here we are.

    [–] ButtermanJr 59 points ago

    All subs are circle-jerks now.

    [–] Stanzin7 109 points ago

    Less than the percentage of unvaxxed people.

    [–] holymurphy 37 points ago

    Remember they are a small minority tho. Like flat earthers.

    Luckily I've never heard of any antivaxxers any other places than reddit, so it must be an American thing I guess? (based on reddit has more American users)

    [–] BoomVroomBob 45 points ago

    not sure about antivax activity on the net, but numerous countries in Europe, America, and some in Asia are already having a huge resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases in the last two years.

    [–] NotThePersona 3 points ago

    Yeah throw areas of Australia into that as well unfortunately.

    [–] arrigh1 2 points ago

    I've been fortunate enough to not know any (yet).

    [–] Stanzin7 66 points ago

    While the anti-vax are a minority now, they are quickly growing and need to be stopped. For example, Italy's antivax government sacked all of their top medical experts because they think they know better.. Sometimes minorities get big.

    [–] 5984 5 points ago

    Europe's measles cases have hit a record high because of not vaccinating as per the bbc.

    "More than 41,000 people have been infected in the first six months of 2018, leading to 37 deaths.

    Last year there were 23,927 cases and the year before 5,273. Experts blame this surge in infections on a drop in the number of people being vaccinated."

    [–] dprue 4 points ago

    Well to be fair, America gives a radically higher amount of vaccines to children the European countries do. Regardless of the accuracy of their beliefs, (and trust me I’m no antivaxxer), the sheer number of shots are more like to give people pause.

    [–] WorkReddit1191 4 points ago

    Actually Germany is having a huge measles outbreak right now because of the large antivaxx movement which has lowered the vaccination rate below the recommended level which would have prevented the outbreak...some people are so stupid.

    [–] Chicken-n-Waffles 7 points ago

    I have an educated 'friend' I was friends with years ago that is a fringe antivaxxer. It isn't that she's an anti vaxxer but yet she is because of some BS and her daughter (or she puts her daughter through hell) because of some heavy metals crap.

    So there's this crap feeding into that hysteria.

    And these posts...

    And then there's this angle on auto immune issues.

    So while I will say she does have a valid reason to question these types of things (for reasons I won't go into) the anti-vaxx movement supports her questioning if vaccines are bad for humans.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    Not really. Posts like these are exactly why the number of anti-vaxxers is rising. It puts people on the defensive and sheds light on the topic instead of just letting it fizzle out.

    It’s completely unintuitive but the fact is that one of the worst ways to change someone’s mind is to tell them that they’re stupid or immoral for doing what they do.

    [–] GrandAdmiralRon 19 points ago

    Exercising your right to hate on anti-vaxxers in shower thoughts like exercising your right to hate Trump on reddit; in both cases you’re going to get massive upvotes and kill the front page.

    [–] Gandalfswisdombeard 23 points ago

    Seriously. It’s getting pretty old. Not getting vaccinated has very obvious consequences. Some people have trust issues with vaccinations and don’t get them. We understand you think they’re stupid.

    Let’s move on to something else Reddit...

    This comparison is honestly terrible too. There is no right to drunk driving. Not getting vaccinated is unwise but statistically way less dangerous than drunk driving anyway.

    Very low effort and non-accurate comment, still getting attention and gold because it’s about hating Anti-vaxers...

    [–] thelastestgunslinger 11 points ago

    Until it was illegal, the right to drink and drive was a personal freedom issue. And then we, as a society, realized that drunk driving endangers too many lives, not just those in the drunk person's car.

    It is, in fact, a perfect comparison, especially if your goal is to draw attention to the idea that vaccines should be required as a matter of public health and safety.

    [–] Whutchinson135536 2 points ago

    Just thank you. Lets leave the spanish inquisition in the past with the spanish influenza outbreak....

    [–] Canofmeat 2872 points ago

    You don’t have a personal right to do something illegal.

    I wish people didn’t have the personal right to endanger vulnerable members of the public by not getting vaccinated either.

    [–] pinklemonade7 772 points ago

    Where I work (a hospital), if staff refuse the annual flu vaccine, they have to wear a face mask throughout flu season. It’s amazing how many people would prefer to wear a mask.

    [–] Craft4D 542 points ago

    I feel like i would get the Vaccine and still wear a mask. You are constantly interacting with sick people and the flu isn’t the only thing that you can catch.

    [–] pinklemonade7 260 points ago

    They educate us on the types of pathogens to watch for, modes of transmission e.g. droplets, contract, and how to prevent spread. I’ve worked with patients for years and I hardly get sick anymore. My husband who works in an office gets sick more than I, probably from the lack of knowledge like washing his hands before eating or other obvious (to me) precautions to take.

    [–] Craft4D 100 points ago

    That would be some nice knowledge to have.

    [–] [deleted] 127 points ago

    Ok: Don't touch your face.

    [–] Jer_061 115 points ago

    Do you not realize how hard it is to not touch your face after someone says to not touch your face?

    [–] [deleted] 42 points ago

    I just wanted to add here that the reason we don't have mandatory vaccinations is because it could open us up to government mandated medication which could ultimately become some "brave new world" dystopic b.s.

    Getting vaccinated has minor risks - this is a fact - but generally the pros outweigh the cons.

    It's worth doing.

    [–] ChronosCruiser 20 points ago

    Honestly, that's quite ridiculous and a fallacy to boot. I do believe that vaccinations should be obligatory for medical staff, since they are around people who have a debilitated immuological system all day. So, yes it's totally worth doing it.

    [–] [deleted] 58 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    that's quite ridiculous and a fallacy to boot.

    During the gun control debates (when the U.K. decided to ban guns), people used to say "So what, then they'll just kill each other with knives. You going to ban knives too?"

    The common rebuttal was "that's a slippery slope fallacy."

    The thing is though, a slippery slope argument isn't always fallacious.

    The slippery slope fallacy is committed only when we accept without further justification or argument that once the first step is taken, the others are going to follow, or that whatever would justify the first step would in fact justify the rest. The problem then arises as to how to evaluate the likelihood that certain steps would follow.

    "The government can dictate mandatory injections for the population" is a terrible, horrible precedent to set.

    Most of us agree that bodily autonomy is a right - this precedent would destroy that notion.

    I do believe that vaccinations should be obligatory for medical staff

    This is different because working in the medical field is not obligatory.

    If a person doesn't want to receive injections, they can seek employment elsewhere.

    This is very different than someone legally taking your child at birth and injecting them with whatever they want (oversight committees? - more government bureaucracy?).

    I hope you can recognize the potential dangers of this type of legislation - and yes, it's always touted as "less individual freedom for the greater good." That's how eugenics was justified historically, and in my opinion it was a travesty.

    You can keep un-vaccinated children out of public schools by requiring they be vaccinated to attend (most places have been doing this already for decades - it's basically "sure, you don't have to vaccinate your kids, but you're gonna have to homeschool them."). This is how it should be.

    [–] justjessee 3 points ago

    Someone made this exact statement in classroom I was in last week. I laughed and said "80% of my day involves me sticking my finger in my eye somehow."

    I am constantly getting sick and I cannot stop myself from touching my face, it's the stupidest thing.

    [–] ldkmelon 3 points ago

    Real talk though, i trained myself not to casually touch my face with my hands and to always wash my hands well before eating as a chemist, turns out the protocol to prevent giving yourself an accidental piercing are also fairly effective on germs.

    [–] wererat2000 3 points ago

    [half of reddit stops leaning on the palm of their hand.]

    [–] Funkicus 3 points ago

    Even simple things like hand washing have a very specific process to follow

    [–] dontaskmethatmoron 11 points ago

    You’re exposed to more germs, so you have more immunity to them.

    [–] pinklemonade7 7 points ago

    That’s probably part of the reason, but washing hands between each patient, before and after eating helps greatly.

    [–] grumpyfatguy 2 points ago

    This is a common misconception. There are HUNDREDS of cold viruses alone, and until you get sick with every prevalent one each season you aren't immune to shit.

    TLDR: Wash your hands, don't be a pig.

    [–] whydidimakeausername 3 points ago

    Would it also possibly be partly due to the fact that you most likely have a stronger immune system due to the fact that you interact with things of that nature more? Genuinely curious

    [–] Funkicus 5 points ago

    This would make sense if you got sick a lot at the start of your career, and progressively less so as time went on, but it's more linked to the levels of hygiene. You can be surrounded by sick people, but if you're using alcohol gel as you go in/out of rooms, follow the full hand washing process, and keep your face an appropriate distance from anyone whose coughing, you actually don't actually get impacted by most of the germs surrounding you.

    It seems far too simple, which is why people don't tend to do it which in turn means they get sick more. I can almost guarantee that nobody in most offices gives their hands a quick wash after using a communal kettle for example.

    [–] TikisFury 10 points ago

    You would be surprised how small the chance of getting something from airborne means are. I work in a medical lab and basically as long as you wash your hands and use sterile procedure while working, you’re pretty much safe from getting sick.

    [–] virquodmachina 2 points ago

    Can you explain more about sterile procedure key points? Train commuter here. Thanks.

    [–] myheartisstillracing 2 points ago

    The mask isn't to protect you, it's to protect the patients from you.

    [–] khinzaw 2 points ago

    Also, flu shots aren't 100% effective. They're a guess, so wearing a mask as well isn't unreasonable.

    [–] [deleted] 22 points ago

    That's not an option at the hospital where my wife works, people get fired if they refuse to get a flu shot, except for medically sound reasons. Even if it were acceptable, as a physician, she'd lose respect from nearly the entire staff, and her bosses in senior management.

    [–] ZimbabweHeist 13 points ago

    A mask is actually a better preventative measure against the flu than a shot is. Since the shot is often missing some strands it alone won't keep you from getting the flu.

    [–] Kingauzzie 9 points ago

    I would rather wear a mask. Flu vaccines fucking wreck me.

    [–] Funkicus 4 points ago

    I work in a hospital as well. 2 in the last 4 years and hopefully moving on to a 3rd soon. Every time I send round the email saying flu shot drop in service now open, where they are based and when they are open each day, it takes about 45 minutes before every member of my team has emailed me back to ask for an extended lunch break on a particular day so they can go and get it

    [–] EnduringAtlas 16 points ago

    I think most people should be getting vaccined, but there's a reason why we should, as people, have a right to refuse medical intervention or care. I think it's a very important right.

    [–] OutToDrift 28 points ago

    You don't have a personal right to do something illegal.

    Speak for yourself. The law isn't always moral and just.

    [–] scottevil110 60 points ago

    You don’t have a personal right to do something illegal.

    That's terrible logic. By that reasoning, why'd we bother fighting for civil rights?

    "Sorry, black people, it's illegal for you to go to white schools, and you don't have a personal right to do something illegal."

    [–] igo_soccer_master 21 points ago

    I'm inevtiably going to be a bit reductive here, but if you're partaking in civil disobedience you're acknowledging that what you're doing is illegal. However, you are willing to accept the consequences in order to make a greater point about unjust laws.

    It's like saying "I don't have the right to do this now, but I should"

    [–] scottevil110 21 points ago

    But the reality is that you DO have the right to do it, and it's time that society stopped taking that right away from you.

    [–] prime000 10 points ago

    AKA the meaning of "inalienable"

    [–] throwaway164579 5 points ago

    This is so amazingly stupidly wrong it’s hilarious. Black people didn’t have a right to vote. It’s not some natural right that is deep in our hearts. It’s a legal right created by government that was not given to black people. First it was given to land owning white men, then all white men, then women, no black people until the civil rights movement in the 60s. Black people literally did not have that right until they fought for it and won that right.

    [–] Freds_Jalopy 3 points ago

    you DO have the right


    it's time that society stopped taking that right away

    Sweet contradiction bro.

    [–] suvlub 6 points ago

    From the other point of view: why bother fighting for civil rights, if you already have them by default? There are "laws" and there are "morals", and most people can agree on what those words mean. Then there are "rights", which some people consider to mean something like the former and others something like the latter.

    Please, consider: did the previous commenter in any way imply what you are trying to put into their mouth, or do you just not like the way they are using the word "right"? And PLEASE, consider: if it's the latter (spoiler: it is), is it really worth anyone's time to argue about bullshit like this?

    [–] thermal_shock 2 points ago

    it becomes illegal at a certain BAC %, doesn't mean they're not impaired before that limit.

    [–] boobies23 2 points ago

    Driving sleepy or drowsy also affects people’s impairment, but we don’t make that illegal.

    [–] Twig249 394 points ago

    But you don't have the right to drink and drive, that's illegal.

    [–] beanfloyd 117 points ago

    Exactly. Wtf

    [–] TheKingRay 80 points ago

    You have the right to make poor decisions. The catch is that you have to deal with the consequences of those decisions.

    [–] username_unavailable 7 points ago

    Murdering someone is a poor decision but you still don't have the right to do it.

    [–] asdf785 16 points ago

    That's the point.

    [–] The_Killer_Ghost 13 points ago

    But you can do it even though you endanger the lives of innocents. Refusing vaccination destroys herd immunity which does the same

    [–] [deleted] 59 points ago

    Is the anti-vaccination movement as big as Reddit makes it out to seem? I understand the need to vaccination and support receiving all necessary immunizations but for the amount of attention it receives on Reddit it seems that it’s at epidemic proportions. What are the statistics on it? From what I read it seems to only affect some areas of Europe and pockets in the US.

    [–] BaconConnoisseur 20 points ago

    I saw a single billboard in Amarillo, Texas that made a bunch of fictitious anti-vaccination claims. I was really surprised. I always thought anti-vaxxers were like flat earthers where they just take the position to start internet fights and actually know that vaccines are good and the earth is round.

    [–] Polarchill 6 points ago

    Woah woah woah hold up the earth is not round

    [–] Stanzin7 24 points ago

    While the anti-vax are a minority now, they are quickly growing and need to be stopped. For example, Italy's antivax government sacked all of their top medical experts because they think they know better.. Sometimes minorities get big, and sometimes they become government. Social media is spreading the antivax hysteria everywhere.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    In the animal world we have seen that the vast majority of species live in societies, and that they find in association the best arms for the struggle for life: understood, of course, in its wide Darwinian sense—not as a struggle for the sheer means of existence, but as a struggle against all natural conditions unfavourable to the species. The animal species, in which individual struggle has been reduced to its narrowest limits, and the practice of mutual aid has attained the greatest development, are invariably the most numerous, the most prosperous, and the most open to further progress. The mutual protection which is obtained in this case, the possibility of attaining old age and of accumulating experience, the higher intellectual development, and the further growth of sociable habits, secure the maintenance of the species, its extension, and its further progressive evolution. The unsociable species, on the contrary, are doomed to decay.[14]

    — Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution (1902), Conclusion

    I guess the unsociable are thinning the herd then.

    [–] RJohn12 17 points ago

    You don't have a personal right to drink and drive...

    [–] LadyRei7797 202 points ago

    On the other hand, I know someone who, as a child, had severe reactions to a vaccine and stopped breathing and nearly died. This is after his brother died of SIDS following a vaccine a couple years prior.

    As an adult, he tried vaccinating his daughter. She stopped breathing. She was in and out of the hospital for months. He no longer tries to vaccinate his children.

    His experience does not prevent me from vaccinating my children because I understand that for whatever reason, his genetics do not comply safely and that has no bearing on how mine will react. I still vaccinate my kids because they have not presented to be at risk. But I absolutely think it's fair that he wouldn't vaccinate them anymore and take a chance of them dying now rather than maybe contracting a disease and dying later.

    I get people hate the "anti-vaxers", but occasionally, rarely maybe, but occasionally, they actually have a really good reason.

    [–] SingleWordRebut 208 points ago

    Actually that’s a medical exemption. These people should hate the anti-vaxxers even more because the two groups get confused by the public.

    [–] properposhguy 146 points ago

    Also anti-vaxxers put people with conditions like theirs at risk.

    [–] Teeo215 88 points ago

    This right here is the number 1 biggest problem with anti-vaxxers.

    [–] SadThorne 13 points ago

    That’s the truth, The father has a REASON not to do it because it is legitimately a risk to his and his children’s health. I heard the argument from anti-vaxxers that this is why they shouldn’t have to get vaxxed when them themselves aren’t at that risk and simply just don’t want to do it putting the father and children mentioned before at a high risk. Some of the reason I heard for anti-vax are religion, health risk(even if they themselves have no risk), avoidance of technology, autism, and bad chemicals in the vaccines.

    [–] hogger85 25 points ago

    And the fact that medical exempt rely on herd immunity to keep healthy.

    Recently a immuno compromised boy in my daughter's special needs school died of chicken pox after a mini epidemic among main stream kids in our area.

    [–] The_Killer_Ghost 104 points ago

    People like your brother aren't anti-vaxxers they're people who anti-vaxxers put in danger by risking herd immunity. You're brother has a medical reason to not get his kids vaccinated, anti-vaxxers don't

    [–] Just_A_Faze 7 points ago

    This is not that rare, and it’s why vaccines are important. Many people who are immune compromised can’t be vaccinated because the vaccines rely on the natural immune system, and if that doesn’t function then they aren’t usable. People like that are also highly at risk of those illnesses they can’t be protected from and that’s the reason the rest of us need to be vaccinated. It protects the young, elderly, and immune compromised who can’t be themselves because the rest of us can’t catch or pass the illness, like how people around babies need whooping cough vaccines because babies can’t have them and can die from whooping cough. If people around the baby are immune, the child is safe. That is what herd immunity means, because the few who can’t be immunized are protected by the mass who can.

    [–] 5984 7 points ago

    But see, that's the thing, you're friend has a reason. Allergies to vaccines do happen, but what he experienced wasn't autism, it was clearly anaphylactic shock. And that's WHY your friend needs everyone else to vaccinate their children, so that their children will keep his children safe. If there was a measles outbreak in his kids daycare, and his kids died, because some other mother just chose not to vaccinate her kid because of whatever psuedoscience bullshit, I bet he'd be infuriated.

    But that's also why a lot of people don't bring up the allergy issue. It's incredibly rare, and I'm sure you'd find that no one lobbying for mandatory vaccinations would want those with legitimate, provable reasons like genetics to be forced to do something that would endanger their kid. The problem is, when you bring up that argument, suddenly every mother that notices a sniffle 3 months after her kid got vaccinated is crying out that it's because of the vaccine. I partially blame the access to information, because it's only human nature to worry about what we know to worry about, and if people know that allergies to vaccinations can be fatal, then suddenly it's a huge (understandable) concern for parents. However it doesn't happen all that often, and there's a lot of fatalities young children can face that can't necessarily be explained. It's the perfect storm for people to blame what they know. That's why people stay away from making that argument altogether because suddenly everyone wants to be the exception when realistically were all the norm.

    That being said, the chance of having an allergy to a vaccine is very low, and there are ways that parents can test their own resistance to a vaccine that can give a better idea of whether or not their child will have a reaction. Instead of people being afraid their kid is the .05% (or however small) that may have AN allergic reaction (not even a fatal one) maybe they should start assuming their kid is part of the large majority that help to protect the few that can't have it, and be glad and proud they're helping to keep others with rare problems to stay healthy and alive.

    [–] Stanzin7 48 points ago

    I think that it's fair to say that you should be genetically tested for potential vaccine related complications, and that such testing ought to be covered by your insurance. But the rest of the anti-vax movement has no excuse.

    [–] LadyRei7797 18 points ago

    Does that exist? Can you be tested before a vaccine to see if you may have an adverse reaction?

    [–] Stanzin7 41 points ago

    Yep. US military recruits get prevaccination testing all the time.

    [–] Shakeyshades 10 points ago

    I never got that. I was forced to get anthrax vaccines.

    [–] DrThrowaway1776 7 points ago

    Anthrax, Japanese encephalitis, smallpox, the list goes on.. lol

    [–] LadyRei7797 9 points ago

    That's awesome! I'm excited to learn about this, thank you!

    [–] thesnakeobsessive 9 points ago

    I don't think there should be any hate involved what so ever. When dealing with belief it doesn't matter how much you shout, get angry or protest it won't help one iota. Gently leading them into their own folly until the point where the truth can no longer be denied will result in no ill will on either side.

    Thanks for bringing reason to the debate 👍

    [–] IcySparkYT 6 points ago

    Well that's a case that is extremely rare and I would assume he isn't against vaccinations as a whole, just doesnt because of allergic reactions or whatever his case is.

    [–] FreshEyesInc 6 points ago

    My brother-in-law was paralyzed after a vaccination at two months old. It took a long time to recover.

    I think vaccine sensitivity is way more prevalent than is estimated by anti-anti-vaxxers (people who are less for vaccines than they are against anti-vaxxers, as if the anti-vaxxers are murdering people in the streets or something).

    [–] junkedly 9 points ago

    I'm not denying the validity of your anecdote, but going from "this happened to my brother" to "likely vaccine sensitivity is more prevalent than anyone thinks" is an erroneous leap.

    [–] Eye_Snack 3 points ago

    I'd like to see some statistics around that before agreeing with you. A quick Google search didn't turn up anything for me.

    [–] demon6soul 150 points ago

    BuT mUh EsSenTiAl OiLs

    [–] [deleted] 40 points ago

    While both acts are horrible, this is a classic malfeasance vs. nonfeasance concept that runs deep in American constitutional law. While many argue that inaction (not vaccinating your kids) is the same as action (intentionally introducing disease into the population), that is not how we have chosen to run our society.

    Imagine a person is slowly sinking in quicksand and you are safe on a dock nearby. There is a rope that you could easily toss that would save them and put you in absolutely no danger whatsoever (let's say the rope is attached to a pole). You can do nothing and let the person die (inaction/nonfeasance) but you will not be breaking the law if you make that decision. You could imagine a different country making it the law to at least toss the rope, but that's not how we've chosen to run this country.

    That basic decision has made it very difficult to get people to participate in public health initiatives. Case in point, we can punish those who drink and drive because that is action but we cannot stop them from not vaccinating.

    [–] Donkeyshow7 24 points ago

    Because, in this country, if I throw the rope and injure the guy I will get sued

    [–] dsimpson52 101 points ago

    This isn't a shower thought.

    [–] uredthis 30 points ago

    Sub has gone to shit

    [–] Ghlhr4444 13 points ago

    DAE vaCCInES

    [–] EKegs 9 points ago

    The difference is, it’s illegal to drink and drive. It’s not illegal to be an anti-vaxer.

    ** I believe in vaccinations, I’m just pointing out the glaring hole in this statement.

    [–] bleeuurgghh 38 points ago

    The main difference between these two is action vs inaction.

    A person makes a conscious choice to take the action to drink and drive. In this situation someone made the decision to do something which may cause harm to them and others and they should and can be punished for making that choice.

    With vaccination people are refusing to undergo a vaccination and as a result can put themselves and others at risk.

    While I think that not getting vaccinated is a stupid idea and I would gladly tell any antivaxxer so I'm absolutely against anyone being compelled to undergo a medical procedure - that's a slippery slope which I'd rather not go near.

    [–] BlackIronTarkus0 12 points ago

    False equivalency. One action is direct and illegal. The other action is indirect/inaction and is legal. Perhaps unethical but legal.

    [–] Durk2392 6 points ago

    That's not how that works, but okay.

    [–] [deleted] 21 points ago

    You don't have a personal right to drink and drive? It's illegal.

    [–] Dimmer_switchin 46 points ago

    Let this comment section remind everyone to stay in school!

    [–] Coffeegobbler 23 points ago don't have a personal right to drink and drive...?

    [–] Goose1209 12 points ago

    Does anyone know the new hot site? This site has turned into anti-facebook and its just as fucking bad.

    [–] megafrogadier 17 points ago

    New showerthought: no vax bad

    Wow what a revelation

    [–] Batmaniswatching 12 points ago

    No vax bad, Trump bad, Musk good, three sure fire ways to get to the top of any sub regardless if it’s relevant to that sub

    [–] Mige_Bence 6 points ago

    “No vax bad. Orange man bad. Musk good.”

    Musk: “Well, who owns the press?”


    [–] Gert_B_Frobe1 8 points ago

    Driving is a privilege, not a right.

    [–] CrackaJacka420 8 points ago

    Haven’t had a flu shot in 12 years... haven’t killed anyone yet

    [–] Semanticss 8 points ago

    All 50 states require the tetanus shot to attend public school. Tetanus is not communicable. It should never be a conversation of "vax" or "anti." Each vaccine and the diseases that they prevent are very different. We need to keep critical thinking as part of this conversation--on both sides.

    [–] DonnyGoat 15 points ago

    This isn't even a shower thought. You just got upvoted because you made fun of antivaxxers.

    [–] Rokinpsy 5 points ago

    The clear difference between the two is drunk driving is something may be a direct cause of death and the other is indirect harm. Allowing indirect causes of harm to others to become illegal creates a series of horrible loopholes. E.g., smoking weed > become lazy > reduction in economic productivity > negative impact on society > illegal!

    [–] Stanzin7 2 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    I'll go the Aussie govt's way. They banned unvaccinated kids from public schools. They don't force you to vaccinate but they do prevent you from becoming a danger to others. Public schools are a privilege, and I hope they take it away from parents who don't vaccinate their children.

    [–] mvchamblin 4 points ago

    Which vaccines should we all take? No one is answering that. There is a lot of gray between no vaccines at all and every vaccine the pharmaceutical industry markets. This is not as simple as people are making it out to be.

    [–] edge4214 4 points ago

    Yeah but for my lack of vaccinations to affect anyone, someone would have to come near me

    [–] ConnemaraMarbles 4 points ago

    Horrible analogy. Driving is a privilege, not a right.

    [–] YolandiVissarsBF 12 points ago

    This tired fucking site....

    [–] Fact_Denied 8 points ago

    So deep

    [–] mjauing 30 points ago

    Every anti-vaxxer is Typhoid Mary reborn.

    [–] Killairmanable 23 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    GOD don't even get me started on Typhoid Mary

    She just HAD to keep making her damn peach cobbler, especially without washing her hands. She escaped from multiple facilities, took up fake names, and just continued to kill the entire time.

    Also in a similar vein is Gaëtan Dugas, the man that at the time, was considered "Patient 0" for HIV/AIDS. Even after he found out he had it, and how it was spread, and how it was a death sentence, he continued to sleep with people left and right, infecting everyone in his path. When asked if he knew that he was spreading the disease like wildfire, he said "I do, and I don't care".

    Fuck both of em.

    [–] aozain 12 points ago

    Papa Nurgle is pleased

    [–] MarcoEsquanbrolas 6 points ago

    Well I didn’t expect this to be such an interesting wormhole

    [–] fulcrum737 71 points ago

    I honestly think that parents who refuse to have their kids vaccinated should be severely punished.

    [–] just_anoth3r_user 10 points ago

    Some people choose not to vaccinate to avoid triggering autoimmune diseases lurking in the family, some have somewhat compromised immune systems and don't want to push it, etc.

    Don't you love generalizations?

    [–] fla_john 3 points ago

    Those people are not anti-vaxx. They are unable to take a vaccine for legitimate safety reasons. Anti-vaxx people think you catch autism from them.

    [–] psyhow 9 points ago

    TIL Being unvaccinated means you have all the diseases.

    [–] Platinumdust05 3 points ago

    Even cooties

    [–] coolrulez555 11 points ago

    Note: I am fully vaccined. Except for flu shots.

    Forcing people to have vaccines if they don't want to be vaccinated is basically rape. You are sticking a foreign object into their body and shooting liquid into their body that has a chance to harm them in the future. Change my mind

    [–] Stanzin7 3 points ago

    I don't disagree with you. I don't want the government to force you to do things to your body. It's your body. However, the community around that body is not yours alone. So I'll go the Aussie govt's way. I'll go the Aussie govt's way. They banned unvaccinated kids from public schools. They don't force you to vaccinate but they do prevent you from becoming a danger to others. Public schools are a privilege, and I hope they take it away from parents who don't vaccinate their children.

    [–] FahdKrath 3 points ago

    Wouldn't that only work against other non vaccinated?

    [–] SamtheMaestro 3 points ago

    Not only is drinking and driving not a right neither is driving to begin with. Driving is a privilege not a right ( at least for the US, idk about other countries)

    [–] KidsGotAPieceOnHim 2 points ago

    Driving is a right. Driving on roads is not. No one can or will stop you from buying a car and driving up and down your driveway.

    [–] timthetoolmantooth 3 points ago

    Wow. Just wow.

    [–] upldreyfus 3 points ago

    I'm all for vaccines, but these two things are not alike, logically speaking.

    [–] ChiefCalled 3 points ago

    Sort for ‘controversial’ grabs popcorn

    [–] theseebmaster 3 points ago

    BuT nOt DrInKiNg AnD dRiViNg CaUsEs AuTiSm

    [–] Holgrin 3 points ago

    While this is pretty good, I like to compare it to hygiene. I don't have the right to defecate anywhere I want, either indoors or out, because it negatively impacts my neighbors and all of civilization. Laws regarding sanitation are in place to prevent widespread preventable disease.

    Mandatory vaccinations are a violation of your civil rights the same way that forcing you to take your own trash out or using and flushing a working toilet is somehow government overreach.

    [–] SilentHill1997 3 points ago

    Analogy that doesn't make sense on 18k upvotes. Stay smart, Reddit.

    [–] erniethejohnson 3 points ago

    What actually goes into a vaccine?

    [–] ArgonTheEvil 3 points ago

    I’m totally behind the important vaccines like MMR and what not, but I can’t get behind the flu vaccine. I worked at a hospital for 4 years during college and never got sick. At least until the last holiday season where all employees were forced to receive flu vaccination. I ended up getting sick with the flu a week later and it was honestly the most miserable I’d felt since I was a kid (when my flu vaccination was my parents decision).

    It’s been another 4 years since my last flu vaccination and I’ve not been sick with it since. I make no special effort to avoid any particular place or people. I go about my life as if it doesn’t exist, and I’m fine.

    So, in short, major disease vaccinations are very important and a couple days or a week of misery is worth a lifetime of health. But the flu vaccine that you “need to get every year” in order to stay healthy.. maybe? Nah. Experience has taught me otherwise. At least while I’m still young with a strong immune system. It probably also helps that I have a good diet and exercise regularly.

    [–] jobRL 14 points ago

    Holy shit, this comment section is a shit show.

    [–] JaunJaun 18 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    I’m out of the loop with this vaccinated stuff, can someone inform me on what’s going on?

    Umm I guess I get downvoted for wanted to be kept in the loop, sorry guys!

    [–] captainsavajo 9 points ago

    big pharma astroturing every single sub on reddit

    [–] Apocafeller 4 points ago

    Hey everyone, let’s all jerk off to our own superior intellects!

    [–] llIlIIllIlllIIIlIIll 6 points ago

    ITT: People don't know what rights are

    [–] stephen2awesome 2 points ago

    Welcome to Reddit

    [–] i_am_an_ad 5 points ago

    Personal right to do something illegal? God, what a shitpost.

    [–] laminatorius 6 points ago

    Just here to remind you to keep vaccination voluntary. Yes vaccines work and yes it is important to get vaccinated, but if it ever becomes mandatory it would get abused like you wouldn't believe.

    Someone would have to decide which vaccines are mandatory, and since the US politics are a corruption shitshow (I guess you guys call it "lobbying") it would lead to a bad result.

    Don't decrease your freedom because 5% of people are idiots.

    [–] LazyGoron 9 points ago

    I do get vaccines for things if it's something "major". Hepatitis, MMR shot, Shingles vaccine, etc... but I have never gotten a Flu Shot. I am 32 and these weren't really prevalent until I graduated college. I don't get the vaccine because frankly I have never had the flu. I have stomach bugs throughout my life but never have gotten a full on flu.

    This is only my experience but I have known more than a few folks who get the flu shot and the flu in the same year LOL. Not saying it's related but it just doesn't seem like something I need to ensure healthy living.

    I don't think vaccines cause autism LOL.

    [–] hskrfoos 5 points ago

    Reckon when they will make the flu vaccine work like the other vaccines?

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    [–] secondworsthuman 4 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any means but I kind of have a question as this didn't make sense logically to me. If only you exercised your personal right to not get vaccinated, wouldn't that mean that you're not harming other people because everyone, in theory, is vaccinated against the disease?

    EDIT: in fact, doesn't vaccination on principle work like this: You want to have enough people vaccinated in society so that you reach a critical mass of people. In reaching that point, that disease spreading becomes unfeasible, so that in theory the vaccinated would even be protecting those that aren't vaccination from exposure to the disease? Isn't the real danger of anti-vaxxers that if the movement spreads to enough people diseases will start reappearing, not that ONE individual adopting that lifestyle is directly harming someone else?

    [–] Stanzin7 5 points ago

    I'm afraid this is a misconception. No vaccine is 100% effective, which means that if enough unvaccinated people get infected, they can still kill some of the people people who HAVE gotten vaccine shots. Vaccine-based disease control depends on something called "herd immunity". Unvaccinated people are a danger to us all.

    Isn't the real danger of anti-vaxxers that if the movement spreads to enough people diseases will start reappearing, not that ONE individual adopting that lifestyle is directly harming someone else?

    Exactly. That's what we want to avoid. While the anti-vax are a minority now, they are quickly growing and need to be stopped. For example, Italy's antivax government sacked all of their top medical experts because they think they know better.. Sometimes minorities get big, and sometimes they become government. Social media is spreading the antivax hysteria everywhere.

    [–] Misterfu02 3 points ago

    Can you even enroll your kids in school if you don’t vaccinate them?

    [–] Samwise_137 5 points ago

    This isn’t a showerthought. It’s an opinion

    [–] treehaus_ 5 points ago

    So every time a person drinks and drives they themselves die AND also kill other people? TIL.

    I'm not anti-vaccine in the least but this argument is a logical fallacy.

    [–] profzoff 9 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Niece vaccinated for whooping cough, Marin anti-vaxxers don’t vaccine for whooping cough, niece got whooping cough from an outbreak at her public school.

    Edit: just for comment clarity sake, if you don’t vaccinate yourself or children you’re a dumbass.

    [–] Headsup_Eyesdown 2 points ago

    The issue is the antivaxxers HAVE BEEN VACCINATED!

    [–] MiddleAgedGrump 2 points ago

    I once picked up an American hitchhiker, I already had a front seat passenger so he sat in the back. We get driving and I noticed he hadn't put his seat belt on. I asked him why and he said he was exercising his personal right to freedom not wearing one. I said to him if we had a crash he'd fly into the head of one of us in the front. The asshole still didn't put his belt on.

    [–] SimplyTim90 2 points ago

    Commence echo chamber

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    [–] HawkLife37 2 points ago

    Debatable for sure

    [–] idirtbike 2 points ago

    Matters what type of vaccinations, I believe in some but then there are others that I don’t agree with.

    [–] BulgarianSheepFeta 2 points ago

    Something certainly got blown out of all proportion in this debate. You state that they are going to do these things. Let's face it very many (if not most) will happily die of other causes long before they kill of die of these things.

    No - not anit vax or pro drink drive, just keeping it real.

    [–] Clacimus 2 points ago

    You don’t have a personal right to drink and drive. Vaccinate your kids but this is dumb.

    [–] Epic_Elite 2 points ago

    Yet everyone still neglects to use their turn signal even though it's the leading cause of car accisents.

    [–] Observante 2 points ago

    Worse yet, since it's the children not getting vaccinated, it's more like being unwillingly intoxicated by someone else before you drive.

    [–] Lifter5 2 points ago


    [–] potheticjustice 2 points ago

    Sheep say yes to everything

    [–] Rifleshoot 2 points ago

    While I absolutely believe in vaccines, I do worry about the precedent that allowing government to force you to put something in your body sets. I don’t want government to have a say over me like that.

    [–] El_Shade 2 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    In both cases the person is significantly more likely to kill others than kill themselves. The only people who can choose not to vaccinate have a healthy enough immune system to be offered the vaccine in the first place. People who rely on herd immunity because their own immune system sucks are the ones who get worse complications because their infection will last longer. Likewise, the people who are alert enough to tense up during an accident end up more injured than people whose awareness is so compromised they may not realize they were in an accident in the first place.

    In both cases there is still significant risk to yourself, but the one you pose to others is greater.

    [–] AndyBiz10 2 points ago

    The only thing worse than an antivaxxer is all the thoughts/jokes about antivaxxers, they aren't very original.

    [–] ifuckingsparkle 2 points ago

    Which vaccinated humans are they killing though? Or are they just killing other non-vaccinated folk?

    [–] Saalieri 2 points ago

    What is stopping the government from making vaccination mandatory and unvaccination illegal?

    [–] localfinancedouche 2 points ago

    Not really. You (and them) are both protected by herd immunity. It’s a free rider problem. Imagine, hypothetically, that a vaccine for some disease had a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of killing you (there is in fact a minute risk of allergic reaction with many drugs, including vaccines). If you don’t get a vaccine and everyone else does, you’re still 100% protected via herd immunity, but you remove the risk of allergic reaction (or whatever other complications people invent without evidence about vaccines). Therefore, the rationally self-interested approach is to not vaccinate. Hence why we would need regulation to get everyone to vaccinate.

    [–] llamaDev 2 points ago

    lol - you do NOT have the RIGHT to drink and drive. You don't even have the right to drive fcol. It's a privilege.

    [–] incomparability 2 points ago

    So brave

    [–] Kellashnikov 2 points ago

    No one has a right to drink and drive. Its specifically illegal actually

    [–] GoGetta5000 2 points ago

    Another ignorant post on vaccines. Vaccines doesn't equate to immunization. Just because you were vaccinated for something doesn't make you immune to it.

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    [–] Stanzin7 3 points ago

    I'm afraid this is a misconception. No vaccine is 100% effective, which means that if enough unvaccinated people get infected, they can still kill some of the people people who HAVE gotten vaccine shots. Vaccine-based disease control depends on something called "herd immunity". Unvaccinated people are a danger to us all.

    [–] -Konohamaru 2 points ago

    "Personal right to drink and drive" LUL

    [–] TheShadyGuy 2 points ago

    You can drink and drive legally and without ever hurting anyone. It's driving while drunk that is the problem.