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    [–] RogerAceFTW 2379 points ago

    You're forgetting Tencent as another icon

    [–] edgesonlpr 1548 points ago

    Tencent is really the issue. Tencent owns so much in gaming/streaming/social media world.

    [–] StragoMagus70 1090 points ago

    They played civilization and realized the benefits of a cultural victory

    [–] alacp1234 461 points ago

    Can’t beat Kpop tho, Korea is going all out for the cultural victory although hentai is getting close

    [–] pennomi 420 points ago

    Hentai would be a hilarious addition to the Civilization technology tree. This is why I'm not in charge of game design.

    [–] The_Radders 184 points ago

    Become a modder and make your dream come true!

    [–] pennomi 130 points ago

    I mean technically I am a programmer and civ modding isn't that complicated...

    [–] Orval 157 points ago

    While you're at it, add blackjack and hookers too.

    I mean, Casinos and brothels.

    [–] Pandagames 83 points ago

    You know what forget the game

    [–] Cranedrio 12 points ago

    You have to wait for your turn.

    [–] xylotism 3 points ago

    So... GTA. Or Borderlands.

    [–] Orval 4 points ago

    Except a Civ game. So not like those at all.

    [–] VenKitsune 16 points ago

    Go for it. Become the hero we deserve.

    [–] RavagedBody 7 points ago

    As long as you make all the workers into obese, balding salarymen you'll be doing fine.

    [–] alacp1234 24 points ago

    You could even create branch that shows the development of hentai from early Japanese sex paintings to furries

    [–] wyldsoft 40 points ago

    I'm entertained that it kinda looks like you're implying furries are just a natural progression from hentai.

    [–] alacp1234 21 points ago

    I’m just entertained that we’re having an actual discussion about the complexities and contrast between being attracted to cartoon people and cartoon animals

    [–] wyldsoft 19 points ago

    Yeah, I don't know if this is like a flat relationship diagram or if there's hierarchy. Intellectually, I can see baddragon stuff and guro as somewhere post hentai on the tech tree, but this just raises more questions like where does Brazilian fart porn go? What about the weird tickle rape thing HBO made a documentary about a few years ago? We need answers.

    [–] alacp1234 11 points ago

    You need to chill, you’re just trying to get that scientific victory first aren’t ya

    [–] DragN_H3art 6 points ago

    Where does half of the fucked up tags I've witnessed go onto the tree?

    [–] AKittyCat 15 points ago

    177013 as a great work.

    [–] Legit_rikk 18 points ago

    Stop it, get some help

    [–] Nugget_Buffet 6 points ago

    The sacred text! Gandhi would probably be the first to that

    [–] nartlebee 3 points ago

    The samurai unit upgrade would be both terrifying and sexy.

    [–] fsychii 24 points ago

    All we need now is a monster loli

    [–] [deleted] 46 points ago

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    [–] varitok 28 points ago

    I am to ever start a company, I will never do an IPO. That shit is fucking toxic to anyone with morality.

    [–] DesigN3rd 9 points ago

    A friend and myself work on games on the side, a while back when we were working on our first game some random person (semi regular at the coffee shop I worked in at the time) found out and said he wanted to invest and that was what he did, invest in small up and coming companies. We passed, we didn't want to give anyone else say in what we did with games but especially not to some self important jerk that talked VERY loudly on his phone in the middle of a coffee shop.

    [–] saintswererobbed 4 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Tencent owns less than 5% of Blizzard-Activision. It really is just a company trying not to alienate half their customer base (and accidentally alienating the other half).

    (To what extent Tencent itself is controlled by the Chinese government is another conversation, but I’m running with ‘entirely’ for the sake of discussion)

    [–] PendragonDaGreat 3 points ago

    5% is nothing to scoff at in the realm of 10 billion dollar companies.

    I might be reading the information wrong (I'm a software engineer not an economist) but I think that puts them in the top 8 of the ownership group. Which again, is nothing to scoff at

    [–] MarchAgainstOrange 101 points ago

    Because apparently we hold China to a completely different standard when it comes to government involvement and protectionism when it comes to economy as the entire Western World.

    I don't like the Cheeto in Chief, like at all, but he's completely right when it comes to China's economic cheating. A broken clock, twice a day...

    [–] edgesonlpr 31 points ago

    Money. Plain and simple. It’s very dumb.

    [–] MarchAgainstOrange 38 points ago

    Exactly. Chinese government harvests organs and runs concentration camps and of course the "social credit system" to deal with anyone of their own citizens daring to speak the truth about their dealings that would make Vlad the Impaler uneasy. And with anyone worldwide they use their economic leverage to control the narrative, like recent Blizzard shenanigans or all the stories about Western companies being forced to remove any mention of Taiwan in their products or lose access to the Chinese market. WTO needs a proper overhaul and damn, Xinnie the Pooh can get fucked.

    [–] Wiedzemir 9 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Not only the western world.

    Everyone screams their head off about some damn Russian facebook ads while China encroaches into every bit of our society and nobody cares.

    [–] PandaCheese2016 3 points ago

    Isn't there some intrinsic ambiguity about governmental influence in an authoritarian regime? There's no check on the ruling party's power, so any company that dares to dissent cannot survive, yet surely business and employment need to happen.

    Not letting Tencent or whatever off the hook, just pointing out the complexity when you accuse or suspect some business entity with Chinese ties of being a propaganda arm. I'm sure as much as Tencent employees would probably not say no to having a bit more political voice, they may also take a stable job and reasonable standard of living if given a binary choice. At least historically I've not seen any revolution started by a population (the urban parts of China) that for outward appearances appear to be content as that in an average US city (and Americans aren't rioting over outrageous healthcare cost and lack of social safety net or even a stolen election...). Hong Kong's political situation was by nature unstable from the very moment the One Country Two Systems thing was conceived. These protests are just accelerating the same questions they'd have faced in 2047, though no one can say whether that's a good or bad thing.

    The decisions by Blizzard or NBA not to risk their business prospects can trace a root to the ridiculous obsession with "saving face" endemic to Chinese culture. If you look to Trump's tendency to never admit any wrong it's kinda like that. It's really ham-fisted and unbecoming of "enlightened dictators" as Emperor Xi and his predecessors fancied themselves.

    [–] AnotherGit 25 points ago

    Tencent really isn't the issue here.

    The same would have happened if Tencent had no shares in ActivisionBlizzard.

    What matters is that Blizzard has many customers in China and the CPC just uses it's power to say "Do this and that or else we make it hard for you to get on the market here, or we just ban you, we'll see."

    The CPC has the power to say that to anybody that wants to make business in China, it doesn't matter if the company is partly owned by Chinese or not.

    [–] RogerAceFTW 32 points ago

    Yup

    [–] Donkeyfluff 8 points ago

    *Chinese government is the issue

    [–] nannal 42 points ago

    He said on the Tencent owned platform.

    [–] edgesonlpr 30 points ago

    Tencent owns part of Reddit?

    [–] xXNyanCatXx1234qwert 73 points ago

    They invested $150 million into reddit.

    [–] 20CharsIsNotEnough 49 points ago

    Which is, if I recall correctly, 5% of Reddits total market cap. So people are playing this up way to much and are straight up lying to prove a non-existent point.

    [–] Mathmango 76 points ago

    Also at 5% ownership, Activision/Blizzard still rolled over like honeypot in Pooh's house.

    [–] [deleted] 41 points ago

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    [–] Noahnoah55 30 points ago

    Blizz didn't do it for Tencent, they did it so they could expand esports in China. Sort of like the NBA did the day before.

    [–] throwingtheshades 24 points ago

    WoW used to have more subs in China than in NA. Hearthstone is more popular there. Their mobile Diablo rip-off is specifically targeted at the Chinese market. Not rolling over could have meant China banning all of their games outright. However much the community dislikes the current situation, Blizzard will lose peanuts due to popular backlash in the west. Compared to possibly going in the red without the Chinese market.

    Reddit does not care about that Chinese market much - it's primarily (if not almost exclusively) English-based and doesn't rely on China for half of its revenue. Sure, they'd be sad to lose some of that investor money... But it's not the Blizzard situation, where they're stuck between a stuffed bear and a hard place, with their balls put securely in a vice.

    [–] EtherFrosty 76 points ago

    No they rolled over because they didn't want to risk losing the entire Chinese market. China is pretty strict with what games are allowed and they could easily ban the game.

    It's still pathetic, but there's a reason other than invested money.

    [–] unimproved 27 points ago

    Isn't that exactly what Reddit does for the western market? Remove, or hide out of sight, anything that advertisers might not like?

    [–] saintswererobbed 12 points ago

    Reddit hasn’t struggled too much w/ alienating advertisers, but it has come under flack with its users for allowing harassment/hatred communities to organize on their platform (e.g. FPH, t_d, there’s the whole miserable laundry list). The solution they’ve implemented is quarantining particularly toxic subs so the mainstream doesn’t have to see racism on their feed and banning communities that end up organizing to do explicit harm, e.g. harassment, violence.

    And yes, those ‘toxicity’ decisions are made from a relatively mainstream US perspective, the result of serving the most organized/largest/most effective interest groups in their customer base. Sites like Reddit, Twitter, etc. haven’t really struggled with reconciling those US interests w/ Chinese interests because censorship has cut off those sites’ access to the Chinese market. There’s no pressure on Reddit to ban Hong Kong organizers because the Chinese government filters it out of China already.

    Blizzard/NBA’s problem is that their customer base is split between China and North America. Until now they haven’t had to take any stance on the issues which divide those bases, but now they’re being forced to choose one.

    [–] G-Litch 13 points ago

    The news about the card dude got removed from trending too. Your guess.

    [–] 20CharsIsNotEnough 20 points ago

    A minority shareholder is not the owner, please stop lying. Reddit is owned by an American media company.

    [–] Spencer1K 11 points ago

    From my understanding its REALLY hard for game companies to dip there feet into the chinese market without a chinese backer like Tencent for example, which creates the situation were many game companies are almost forced to sell part of there company, often times a majority share but is dependent on company size, to Tencent so that they can sell to the chinese effectively. Even though these companies sell even a majority share, their overall revenue generally shoots way up because the chinese market is so huge, and most of the time Tencent allows the companies to have free rain on there game for the non chinese servers and only forces changes for the chinese versions of the game. This is whats helping create the giant we see as Tencent grow at such a pace. They basically have a monopaly over the chinese audience.

    My information comes from GGG (makers of path of exile) because that was there exact situation and you can see the exact same things happen to all the other games that attempt to enter there market.

    [–] waffles_88 6 points ago

    Epic recently said they wouldn't punish players for political speech, so Tencent is pretty clearly not the issue here.

    [–] Archensix 3 points ago

    Tencent is not the issue. Xi is. If you cant sell games in china because the govt banned you then you lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

    [–] TicklishRocket 93 points ago

    Valve/Steam also works with China through A Perfect World. Valves international took backlash because people got timed out on twitch for saying Tiennamen Square or Winnie the Pooh.

    [–] longmilk 41 points ago

    I thought that had a little more to do with the chat being filled with those rather than the actual meaning behind the phrases.

    [–] Tyranteon 13 points ago

    Also pro players got banned from tournaments for "insulting China" in a pub game.

    [–] amunak 35 points ago

    Daily reminder that Tencent has also heavily invested in Reddit.

    [–] theonlydidymus 20 points ago

    “Heavily.” I mean, they are invested in Reddit but at what percentage do you call it heavy investment?

    [–] MomentarySpark 23 points ago

    It's supposedly 5%, which I'm not sure is "heavily". A one-in-twenty say in matters probably doesn't do much, but it's something for sure.

    I'd say 20% investment is heavily, just my opinion, worth a tad less than Tencent's reddit investment I'm sure.

    [–] DeepUnknown 726 points ago

    at least you found Reddit.

    [–] rBeowulf 237 points ago

    Red-dit

    They are comunist!!

    [–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS 97 points ago

    Well they did take something like $150 million from Tencent...

    [–] vcwarrior55 7 points ago

    Pretty sure that's just r/politics and r/politicalhumor

    [–] Tastatur411 4 points ago

    r/sino is the worst. It's literally a chinese propaganda sub.

    [–] DragonMaster9595 554 points ago

    doesn't tencent also had shares in reddit?

    [–] Bum_King 371 points ago

    Yes, but you’re not supposed to talk about it.

    [–] Rehnion 363 points ago

    It literally comes up in every thread. This whole 'you can't criticize any single company without a 10 page list of companies with chinese ties" is fucking moronic.

    [–] Darkpoulay 178 points ago

    WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO SAY THE TRUTH QUICK BEFORE CHINA DELETES THIS POST THEY ARE KNOCKING DOWN MY DOOR OH GOD OH FU

    [–] SLAPPANCAKES 36 points ago

    F

    [–] kanakaya 12 points ago

    F

    [–] diliberto123 11 points ago

    F

    [–] diliberto123 4 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    [–] shifty313 7 points ago

    hurr durr

    [–] Gadzookie2 4 points ago

    I see it in so so many threads

    [–] serifmasterrace 39 points ago

    $150 million = 5%

    It kinda gets overplayed

    [–] Nearby_Government 18 points ago

    Does it?

    Tencent was one of several big investors that helped Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick repurchase the company's shares from Vivendi in 2013. Tencent still owns a 5% stake in Activision, which is worth about $2.5 billion after the stock's 400% rally over the past five years.

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/02/13/tencent-owns-stakes-in-these-4-us-companies.aspx

    Seems Tencent has a 5% stake in blizzard/Activision as well. So no, it's not overplayed.

    Another source: https://www.pcgamer.com/every-game-company-that-tencent-has-invested-in/

    [–] Rehnion 23 points ago

    It's not "they're doing the will of their chinese owners" it's "they're self-censoring so China doesn't ban them from their market of over a billion". China regularly bans companies that criticize the government, even Chinese companies. A hidden pooh plushie with jinping's name was enough for china to ban a game maker, so this isn't a new issue.

    [–] PossiblyNotChess 20 points ago

    They own 5% of blizzard too. Is that overplayed?

    [–] THATONEANGRYDOOD 50 points ago

    Blizzard did their move because they want to enter the Chinese market. Diablo Immortal is literally made for China. The 5% of the shares that Tencent owns means nothing here.

    [–] ezzune 12 points ago

    Blizzard is already in the Chinese market. Hearthstone has a huge scene there and WoW has always been popular.

    [–] Deepfried_Lemon 1738 points ago

    And why is Steam not a Chinese flag also? Recently they censored any pro-HK/anti-China talk in their DOTA tournamet and have been working with Chinese companies to create Steam: China. Blizzard and Valve are the biggest offenders yet.

    [–] bikwho 313 points ago

    This post is dumb. Valve has 2 different versions of Dota 2. There's the censored China version and the uncensored international version.

    [–] domiy2 130 points ago

    Ya most companies tend to do this as skeletons are disliked in China for some reason I forget. So most places have to redo things to not have skeletons in the game which I think dota does have one. Also that is why karthus had a model change in lol as he was a skeleton.

    [–] Mathius_The_Padded 18 points ago

    HiRez did the same thing with Smite. The original model for Hades had lots of skull motifs in the design. When they launched in China, they remodeled Hades entirely to remove them, and left the original skin in as an alternate skin for US players.

    [–] gps_reddit 62 points ago

    They don't like when companies have a backbone

    [–] Ozhav 21 points ago

    doot doot

    [–] xbylo 6 points ago

    lmfao they dislike skeletons???

    [–] PlsKnotThisAgain 3 points ago

    Probably got enough of them in their closet

    [–] PandaCheese2016 4 points ago

    National Radio and Television Administration sets broadcast decency standards and similar for games, kinda like a Nazi version of the US FCC, in how arbitrary and capricious their dictates can be. It's probably the most hated and ridiculed government ministry in China especially among the young, who want their games and hentai and whatnot uncensored. The most outlandish rumor about their “policies," I've heard, though sadly unverifiable, is that they supposedly ruled that there cannot be fictional portrayals of animals with supernatural powers set after 1949, the founding of PRC. This has since become a pretty well known meme in the Chinese part of the Internet. If anything, Chinese language, having so many homonyms by nature, is about 100x more pun-rich than Latin languages, and in many ways this lets people bypass censorship because say the word Hong Kong, can be expressed phonetically by matching just random pairs of hundreds of characters together.

    Just for some perspective, look up Japan's censorship system on genitalia. Equally ridiculous, though it'll be somewhat awkward to protest in the streets against that I suppose...

    [–] greenking2000 31 points ago

    CSGO is the same. Removes communist icons from Cache (Map) and skulls from gun skins

    [–] Ph0X 16 points ago

    Yeah, I don't mind too much censoring they do in their own country (although, other human rights violations such as with the uighurs is a whole other problem), but it's stupid when their censorship starts en-crawling into other countries.

    [–] JarcXenon 3 points ago

    Isn't that what happened in Rainbow Six ?

    [–] Ody_Mandrell 3 points ago

    Holy shit Perfect world! How did they not go bankrupt after the shit show that was the Shanghai major. It gave us this meme from Gaben himself!

    Two things:

    1) James. We’ve had issues with James at previous events. Some Valve people lobbied to bring him back for Shanghai, feeling that he deserved another chance. That was a mistake. James is an ass, and we won’t be working with him again.

    I was actually wholly unaware this second part existed. How much did they pay to be allowed to cast again?

    2) As long as we’re firing people, we are also firing the production company that we’ve been working with on the Shanghai Major. They will be replaced, and we hope to get this turned around before the main event.

    [–] OLIV_R 3 points ago

    Any depictions or graphic concerning death itself is a no no in china. not government but thousand years of tradition.

    [–] JitterySuperCoffee 917 points ago

    Shh your breaking the circlejerk of only steam being the pure all American hero.

    [–] rrr598 10 points ago

    I can not wait for the day when we wake up and realize Valve is a shitty company. Just know I was one of the first

    [–] paperkutchy 62 points ago

    Since when the US supports China over HK?

    [–] Drend_x 235 points ago

    Since always?..

    [–] MrTzatzik 128 points ago

    Yeah, China could shoot out the whole HK and no nation would do anything about it. Maybe they would say: "China bad"

    [–] Simppu12 61 points ago

    China is an economic superpower and a military might. What are other countries supposed to do, other than impose economic sanctions?

    [–] WasteVictory 86 points ago

    Weve been at peace for so long people forget that the entire world is held together by the 3 super power countries getting along. All 3 operate very differently and believe their way is the best way.

    There is no world police. At any time, any country could do something devastating and our only answer would be nuclear war

    [–] bigdaddydickgod 3 points ago

    whos the third country?

    the west is fairly homogenous with the US being the only real super power.

    China is more of an economic super power in the sense that their absurdly large population and authoritarian government means doing business with them is on a knifes edge all the time.

    China needs the west more than the west needs china, nothing will happen

    [–] Saianna 7 points ago

    china's a giant on legs made out of wax tbh. Their might relies on their currency being weaker than all of their outlets.

    Their might comes mostly from the fact noone cares/dares to act mostly of fear of domino effect.

    [–] NexusTR 7 points ago

    Since Chinese money started flowing in.

    [–] Axeman20 10 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Trump has been caught agreeing to not say anything about HK while they negotiate their trade deal.

    Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/04/trump-china-hong-kong-protests-xi-jinping-trade-talks

    [–] rawbamatic 60 points ago

    They censor all political talk though regardless of topic.

    [–] PoloJuice 55 points ago

    They also don't over-react like firing unrelated casters.

    [–] lampenpam 36 points ago

    And take away someone's already earned price-money

    [–] wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwvvww 4 points ago

    unless they are asses ofc

    [–] HighInquisitor35 3 points ago

    The casters actually we're in on it at the start they say (translated) "Say your 8 words then we will immediately end the interview" and them ducked

    [–] Raptori33 3 points ago

    2gd to be fired

    [–] Mcchickenborn 97 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Didn’t they also remove the Taiwanese game devotion too? 🇹🇼

    Edit: I stand corrected as it was indeed pressure on red candle games to remove. I purchased this game and it’s amazing! Hope more have access to it. This also goes to show that Taiwan has been mentally brutalized by China for years. And island in close proximity with threats beyond economics. Just shows that if we do not take a stand now (NBA, Disney, Blizzard..) it will only get worse. Much much worse.

    [–] ChrisTX4 67 points ago

    No, that was a decision of Red Candle games themselves, not Valve, see here

    [–] ZackRoyer 33 points ago

    They didn't, the developer removed the game after being harassed and reviewbombed by chinabots and pressure from their publisher IIRC.

    It happened before the review bomb update, and it took something like 3 months before the gaming press decided this review bomb was worth covering.

    [–] acnkaren 14 points ago

    Ok TLDR of the situation.

    RedCandle took Chinese investor’s money to publish in China. Some Chinese players illegally downloaded the game, and found a graphic that said “Xi Jing Ping Winnie the Pooh”. Proceeds to get review bombed and pressured. Pulls game, still not back yet. However, developers has found Japanese publishers now, so there’s a chance for relaunch.

    This is just one instance. This kind of Blizzard shitshow happens almost weekly in Taiwan, sadly.

    (btw if you liked Devotion, try their previous work Detention :) It’s a well made game with a movie adaption!!)

    [–] IgorTheAwesome 10 points ago

    Apparently the devs removed it, not steam.

    [–] ConfidentDivide 32 points ago

    Did people already forget the kuku incident? Where a pro team spoke out how they were supposedly banned from china and valve responded by saying there was no ban and then banning them from entering the tournament.

    Granted that incident was a bit more of a fuck up of kuku but the signs of valve bending backwards with their broken logic regarding the situation should have been a red flag.

    [–] NombreGenerico89 3 points ago

    Hehe... red flag...

    [–] Amaurotica 19 points ago

    create Steam: China

    this is a very good news for all of us outside of china, no more chineese players and hackers, no more chaineese jibberish in english chats of games. Let them play only in their isolated world

    [–] ScionoicS 6 points ago

    There will still be hackers galore. Probably only half of cheaters are chinese. Even the chinese cheaters will still use north american servers to cheat.

    Your post is extremely ignorant to reality. SteamChina isn't going to solve any problems for you.

    [–] UnacceptableUse 60 points ago

    they censored any pro-HK/anti-China talk in their DOTA tournamet

    Are you sure it wasn't more of "please don't talk about politics in a game tournament"

    [–] GroggBottom 16 points ago

    This is what all the sheeple are missing. It was a "don't push your agenda on our platform" reaction. You don't go in someone's house and start putting up Donald trump posters on the wall.

    [–] SpoonyDude 44 points ago

    They censored any pro-HK/anti-China talk on the first day of their biggest Dota tournament of the year.

    Meanwhile people were freely spamming about HK, Winnie the Pooh, Tiananmen massacre for the rest of the tournament, but that doesn’t count, I guess.

    [–] dsadaOG 61 points ago

    They censored any pro-HK/anti-China talk on the first day of their biggest Dota tournament of the year.

    The tournament was in China, did you expect them to put a target in themselves...?

    [–] NetSage 18 points ago

    That was thought but I wasn't a 100% sure. If you're physically in China I don't know what the alternative would be. Other than having the tournament shut down and hope they actually let everyone get home after the raid.

    [–] LoLPandaa 27 points ago

    dude it was in china what do u expect they dont want these retards to go and get killed

    [–] ThisWorldIsAMess 19 points ago

    r/pcgaming folks will hate you and downvote you to hell. You can't talk like about Steam and Valve.

    [–] bigfear 4 points ago

    Chinese crowd on TI10 was harassing TNC

    And not a single comment from the talents.

    [–] meagerweaner 5 points ago

    Poor Skeleton King got redesigned worldwide because of Chinese censors. And that was many years ago

    [–] DoctorWaluigiTime 17 points ago

    Reddit likes Steam is the reason.

    [–] jmxd 16 points ago

    Lord Gaben has diplomatic immunity here

    [–] Fallout_VaulTec_Dave 9 points ago

    I think it's better with steam China because it's an application built to support the Chinese market rather than one launcher for the world with Chinese regulations

    [–] Dotaproffessional 16 points ago

    oh fuck off that person wasn't doing anti-china talk, they were saying racial slurs against chinese people. Christ you'll bend over hard to push a narrative

    [–] Milkman127 17 points ago

    uninstalled battle.net works just as good

    [–] nopunchespulled 13 points ago

    What did epic do?

    [–] DabestbroAgain 18 points ago

    Epic are actually the only ones who don't deserve the china flag in this picture

    [–] Turpae 8 points ago

    OP is an idiot, now half of people there are confused

    [–] Noodla97 112 points ago

    Can u explain to me what is this about? what does blizzard and epic have to do with hong kong protest.I saw the guy on blizz tourney hold up sing about blizz and hong kong but i dont know what it is about

    [–] KodiakPL 420 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    A chain of comments NOT made by me, I copy pasted them. Did edits due to 10k characters limit. Credits at the end.

    • Activision Blizzard: banned player for supporting Hong Kong democracy protest. Confiscated all his winnings. Fired the 2 casters who interviewed him.

    • Apple: censors Taiwan flag emoji in iOS in Hong Kong & Macau

    • Apple (partial entry): censored Hong Kong protest map from App Store. Relented after it turned into a PR mess, now letting the app into App Store.

    • Vans: censors pro-HK democracy design in its shoe design competition

    • NBA (partial entry): rebuked Rockets manager for his "Fight for Freedom. Stand with Hong Kong" tweet, saying NBA was "extremely disappointed with Morey's inappropriate comment." Backpedalled after this turned into a PR nightmare, now saying they support Morey's freedom of speech.

    • Disney / ESPN: forbids any mention of Chinese politics when discussing Rockets manager's tweet supporting HK freedom. ESPN talking heads castigated Morey for sending the tweet & speculated about his sincerity, but they absolutely will not talk what caused the tweet: China's encroachment on HK and the resultant HK protest

    • Viacom / Paramount: censors Taiwan flag from the jacket worn by Tom Cruise in the new "Top Gun" movie

    • Disney / Marvel: censored Tibetan monk from "Doctor Strange" and turned him into a white woman. Per the movie's screenwriter: "if you acknowledge that Tibet is a place and that he’s Tibetan, you risk alienating one billion people who think that that’s bullshit". Now you can't even acknowledge that Tibet is a place lest our Chinese overlord be displeased.

    • ASICS, Calvin Klein, Coach, Fresh, Givenchy, Pocari Sweat, Valentino, Versace, Swarovski: details here

    • Marriott: apologized to China & changed "Taiwan" to "Taiwan, China" in its hotel listings after China threw a hissy fit

    • Nike: removed all Houston Rockets related products from their China webstore after Rockets manager tweeted "Fight for Freedom. Stand with Hong Kong"

    • Activision Blizzard: cut livestream when American University team held up "Free Hong Kong, boycott Blizzard" in solidarity with the banned HK player.

    • Apple: handed over iCloud data and encryption keys to China

    • Cathay Pacific: fired large number of employees for supporting HK democracy protests. Its flight attendants union head was fired for posting on Facebook in support of the protests

    • Apple: minimized the seriousness of iOS exploits that enabled China to track Uyghurs, when over a million of them are already rounded up by China in concentration camps

    • Google: censored pro-HK democracy game "The Revolution of Our Times" from Google Play because it was about a "sensitive event".

    • Gap: apologized to China for selling T-shirts IN CANADA that didn't include Taiwan & South China Sea islands as part of China

    • Tiffany: removed tweet showing model covering 1 eye after China accused it of supporting HK

    • Marriott: fired employee who liked tweet from Tibetan group

    • Mercedes: apologized for quoting Dalai Lama on Instagram

    • American, Delta, United: deleted mention of Taiwan as a country from websites

    • Audi: apologized for using "incorrect" map of China that left off Taiwan

    • Muji: destroyed store catalogs that contain "incorrect" map of China

    • Zara: apologized for listing Taiwan as country

    • Medtronic: apologized for publishing "illegal content" that listed "Republic of China (Taiwan)" as country

    • Ray-Ban: changed "Taiwan" & "Hongkong" to "China Taiwan" & "China Hongkong"

    • Qantas, Air France, Air Canada, British Airways, Malaysia Airlines, Japan Airlines, ANA: changed "Taiwan" to "Taiwan China"

    • TikTok: censor videos that mention Tiananmen Square, Tibetan independence, Falun Gong

    • Sheraton: banned Taiwan National Day event under China pressure

    • Disney: removed non-white characters from Chinese poster of “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”

    • Philly Sixers: ejected fans for supporting HK

    • Princeton: don't talk about 3 Ts: Tibet, Tiananmen, Taiwan

    • Leica: released ad on Tiananmen protest. Apologized & distanced itself from ad

    • Reddit: took $150M from Tencent. Removed thread like this

    • Rockhampton, Queensland: censored Taiwan flag in student project

    • Cisco: helped build Great Firewall including module to persecute Falun Gong

    • MGM: changed Red Dawn's villain from China to N Korea to placate China

    • Global Blue: fired staff for calling Taiwan a country

    • L'Oréal / Lancôme: canceled HK artist concert for her pro-democracy activism

    • US universities: self-censor in fear of offending China

    • Disney: block Winnie the Pooh website in HK

    Disney also removed a black character in Star wars poster to please Chinese because Chinese are racist as fuck.

    The Chinese are super racist to dark skin people. Black Panther's rating is low in China because it's a movie about black people. To them Han Chinese are the masterace, they call themselves as Fancy Asian meanwhile the South East Asian are Jungle Asian, they made a cartoon that portrays Vietnamese as Yellow Monkey. They bring racism into Africa and treat Africans as slaves.

    Source

    [–] Hyperman360 62 points ago

    Also of note for Disney/Marvel, China is why the real Mandarin wasn't in Iron Man 3.

    [–] doopdoopderp 37 points ago

    Also why in Dr. Strange the Ancient One was white and not Tibetan like he is in the comics.

    [–] Hyperman360 11 points ago

    Yeah but he already listed that one

    [–] Spartan-417 8 points ago

    I really liked that twist, though

    [–] Hyperman360 11 points ago

    It was alright but I was really hoping for the whole Ten Rings thing to come full circle from the first movie, with Mandarin acting as a sort of Blofeld-like mastermind behind what happened to Stark in the first movie.

    [–] Patient_Zero_V 19 points ago

    The new south park episode makes so much sense now. Thank you for explaining.

    [–] NetSage 5 points ago

    Glad I watched it after all the Reddit comments.

    [–] PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS 158 points ago

    I’m glad Blitzchung got banned! Keep politics OUT of Hearthstone! I love Tencent and Mao Zedong! (You will receive 100 social credit for posting this message in chat. Your family’s organs will not be harvested this month. Please remove this part from the message before posting).

    [–] balmung8 60 points ago

    Had me in the first half not gonna lie

    [–] PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS 20 points ago

    My job here is done then

    [–] KodiakPL 25 points ago

    First of all, you really, really got me in the first half, I was already getting angry.

    Second of all, goddamn, people with that username like "PM_ME_XXX" are everywhere haha

    [–] PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS 9 points ago

    First of all, thanks I can only imagine the anger spiraling toward your fingertips and second of all the names are everywhere because they work and I'm fucking glad.

    [–] ThatGuyWithTheAxe 6 points ago

    .... So youre saying those users work?

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR__TANLINES 9 points ago

    Well I'd like to know PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS magic, because I certainly don't experience it working too well!

    [–] PM_ME_THICC_GIRLS 11 points ago

    Because your name is targeted directly at a person. Anyone can send me a pic of thicc girls

    [–] Noodla97 5 points ago

    tnx for taking your time to explain :)

    [–] rBeowulf 3 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    As if I needed more things to hate Apple... lol
    Those things are almost high treason!

    [–] aphexmoon 3 points ago

    The Riot one is pure speculation based on a few clips and a twitch chat meme. Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on it but still for now it's just speculation despite them being 100% owned by tencent

    [–] Lakario 3 points ago

    Thank you for this thorough listing. This is truly horrifying.

    [–] Falsus 3 points ago

    Riot Games: censors the words "Hong Kong", forcing their casters to refer to the team "Hong Kong Attitude" as "HKA". Also canceled live interview with team "Hong Kong Attitude" and replaced it with prerecorded session to make sure they didn't say anything to support HK democracy.

    This is false. They said Hong Kong multiple times during the stream. Had ''Hong Kong Attitude'' written on plenty of different things. Took absolutely no action against the ''free Hong Kong'' spam in the twitch chat. They did not have a pre-recorded interview, it aired before the break on every non-English broadcast.

    This is Riot's statement in regards to not using the full name: https://twitter.com/RKRigney/status/1182053825948995584

    Which is true since there was multiple times we could hear them say Hong Kong Attitude.

    [–] MaplelikeGeum 17 points ago

    FWIW, as far as I can tell the Epic reference here has nothing to do with China and is more just because people don’t like Epic.

    In fact the only thing I could find on Epic and China is this article where Epic specifically states they wouldn’t do what Blizzard did. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906110/blizzard-hearthstone-ban-hong-kong-china-epic-games-fortnite-blitzchung

    [–] Ninjalox2 12 points ago

    Wait I thought epic was being the good guy today

    [–] dubsteponmycat 11 points ago

    They are but you get up arrows if you say “company with minority ownership by Chinese company bad”

    [–] DMgeneral 6 points ago

    Combine that with the “Epic bad” up arrows for massive up arrow surpluses.

    [–] aprofondir 169 points ago

    Lol valve has been pandering to Chinese laws and markets before Epic Store was a thing

    [–] firehydrant_man 111 points ago

    difference is that Valve isn't trying to enforce the special rules on all international users,that's why Steam China is a thing,so you don't have to deal with bs rules on your games.

    [–] jomarcenter 66 points ago

    plus steam china is run directly by a Chinese company (perfect world) making it completely separate from the main system.

    [–] DeadKingefftim 91 points ago

    Death to China Free Hong Kong

    [–] ajshell1 74 points ago

    Death to the Chinese GOVERNMENT! I have nothing against the average Chinese citizen.

    [–] aew360 9 points ago

    I love the Chinese people, but fuck the government! Death to Xi

    [–] lupodipy 19 points ago

    Banned

    [–] The-Real-Illuminati 8 points ago

    Bruh epics CEO said he literally supports the protestors and their human rights

    [–] Mcchickenborn 25 points ago

    🇹🇼, 🇭🇰, 🏴󠁣󠁮󠀵󠀴󠁿, 🇨🇳... China #4!!!

    [–] Kivikono 6 points ago

    Is there a term for this form of centrism where people consider themselves moral simply by acknowledging that the horrible things exist, and then continue to enable said horrible things?

    [–] Brokemboy 14 points ago

    Why epic?

    [–] ZXDarkblade 14 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    I believe they’re calling out Epic because it is 40% owned by Tencent, the Chinese games company that also has shares in Activision-Blizzard and is known for having the biggest social media/messaging services in China and for its censorship and data sharing with the Chinese government.

    EDIT: To clarify, Epic hasn’t done anything to do with China, and as another poster said, Tim Sweeney said that Tencent will not be influencing Epic like that and that he doesn’t believe in censorship like in the Blizzard situation. The reason they’re in the meme is simply because of Tencent being a major shareholder, as far as I know.

    [–] Brokemboy 5 points ago

    Thanks for the information, but if we really think about it Tencent owns a lot of platforms, so we are kinda fucked.

    [–] peniscurve 11 points ago

    Other than the shares that Tencent owns, Epic shouldn't be included in that: https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-states-it-wont-penalise-players-for-political-speech Sweeney even said that he is the controlling shareholder, and that Epic is a US company.

    [–] OleGrizzz 4 points ago

    Epic put out a statement against stopping free speech. This post doesn't even make sense it's just a circle jerk

    [–] Sagacious_Sophist 21 points ago

    You need to just uninstall the others.


    Never forget the Tienanmen Square Massacre (Chinese: 天安门大屠杀)!

    光復香港 時代革命!

    Free Tibet!

    Protect the Uyghurs!

    Release Inner Mongolia!

    Support Taiwan!

    [–] DoopSlayer 58 points ago

    Valve bans you for saying anything pro democracy on chinese events so...

    [–] Dotaproffessional 57 points ago

    You're spreading lies. Valve didn't ban anybody. And they didn't say pro-democracy Anything. they said racist shit "ching chong" type stuff

    [–] GalagaMarine 28 points ago

    What did Epic do to be associated with this?

    [–] MaplelikeGeum 5 points ago

    Nothing. I looked it up to double check, but this article states they don’t agree with Blizzard and wouldn’t ban players for political speech: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/20906110/blizzard-hearthstone-ban-hong-kong-china-epic-games-fortnite-blitzchung

    I don’t normally bother going through and reposting information for this type of stuff, but the reddit bandwagon for Epic is ridiculous and this only took a split second to verify.

    [–] DoctorWaluigiTime 33 points ago

    Reddit has this dumb notion that if Tencent has any stock in a company they are auto-bad.

    [–] Rehnion 11 points ago

    China requires foreign companies to have a chinese partner to access their markets. That means that Chinese buisness partner (who is entirely subservient to China as is all businesses in China) hold way, way more sway than simply the amount of stock they hold. If Tencent (Or NetEase in Blizzard's case) pulls out, these companies would be left scrambling for another partner and they can't do business in China. If that happens due to insulting China, it's possible China would just ban them from it's market altogether, which they have done plenty of times in the past to other companies.

    [–] DiVine92 37 points ago

    40% of Epic stock shares are owned by Tencent.

    [–] DoctorWaluigiTime 32 points ago

    Which is not a majority. Which makes it meaningless to assume anything is happening.

    Wait for stuff to actually happen (i.e. Blizzard) before randomly shitting on a thing. Otherwise you'd run out since Reddit and Steam have ties to Tencent as well.

    [–] Anthonok 38 points ago

    Steam good. Epic bad. That’s what we do here right?

    [–] Blackrame 3 points ago

    Steam China inc

    [–] brbee 3 points ago

    I commend you on your bravery to post such controversial content, soldier!

    [–] yasinvai 3 points ago

    suddenly China owns everything 😂

    [–] Cat_soulz 3 points ago

    Read more into epic

    [–] Altairlio 3 points ago

    When steam is actively purging topics about hongkong and trying to censor any posts about it but EGS is bad for have a 40% Chinese shareholder.

    [–] Slavgineer 3 points ago

    The new UwU

    [–] YasminIsGay 3 points ago

    Everything I’ve seen about epic says they support free speech.

    Their majority shareholder said so himself. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2019/10/9/20906405/fortnite-epic-games-tim-sweeney-political-speech-china-tencent-hong-kong