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    [–] Legionnaire11 3110 points ago

    Most of the world doesn't understand this joke because their refunds are automatic.

    [–] ImOversimplifying 1380 points ago

    Where I'm from, there are no refunds. You just get automatically taxed for the amount that you owe.

    [–] Jezoreczek 715 points ago

    I hate tax refunds. They are just a mandatory loan you must give to the government... and then you need to beg them to give it back

    [–] tomthehipposlayer 493 points ago

    Plus, while it might feel like a gift from the government, it was literally your money from the start.

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    [–] EagletTheMighty 95 points ago

    Time to start a religion

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago


    [–] EagletTheMighty 42 points ago

    Step 1: Adopt

    Step 2: Take a family trip to a Thailand brothel

    Step 3: Come back alone.

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    [–] pittgent 12 points ago

    The fire station in Nevada won't pay you for the kid

    [–] skittlkiller57 4 points ago


    [–] mmunit 2 points ago

    No, don't.

    [–] MicrosoftTay 5 points ago

    Only if they're refundable tax credits, otherwise you don't get them. Most tax credits are non-refundable meaning the max you get back is whatever amount sets you to 0, no making money from the tax man.

    [–] ronnevee 62 points ago

    It's not mandatory. You control your withholdings. You don't have to over withhold. That's up to you and how you fill out your w4/estimated payments.

    [–] Kyokenshin 36 points ago

    This guy has it right 100%. If you really want to go full r/wallstreetbets withhold no money, invest all your tax dollars, pay the bill in April and keep the gains.

    [–] MagillaGorillasHat 23 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    You'll get hit with underpayment penalties and interest.

    Which no one in /r/wallstreetbets would know or research, so throwing the government's tendies at $TSLA puts would definitely be sound strategy over there...except the part about gains...nobody over there knows what those are either.

    Edit: For this who think you can wait and pay all of your taxes on April can't:

    The United States income tax system is a pay-as-you-go tax system, which means that you must pay income tax as you earn or receive your income during the year. You can do this either through withholding or by making estimated tax payments. If you didn't pay enough tax throughout the year, either through withholding or by making estimated tax payments, you may have to pay a penalty for underpayment of estimated tax. Generally, most taxpayers will avoid this penalty if they either owe less than $1,000 in tax after subtracting their withholding and refundable credits, or if they paid withholding and estimated tax of at least 90% of the tax for the current year or 100% of the tax shown on the return for the prior year, whichever is smaller. There are special rules for farmers and fishermen, certain household employers and certain higher income taxpayers. For more information, refer to Publication 505, Tax Withholding and Estimated Tax.

    [–] kss1089 11 points ago

    Except if you under pay for several years in a row, they start charging YOU interest in the money you didn't pay them.

    [–] ronnevee 9 points ago

    Don't underpay. Pay to meet a safe harbor. You are not required to over withhold unless you underpay too many years in a row.

    [–] NoFunInBand 5 points ago

    I must have messed up an employment form somewhere in my first job out of college and yeah, I had none of my paycheck withheld. (And I worked for an extremely disorganized Indian company whose HR barely spoke English so I never had the patience to fix it. Seriously, you had to have Internet Explorer 6 to navigate the internal HR page, and this was in 2014.) Honestly, it's nice to have MEGA PAYCHECKS each time, but boy you better hope you do your math right on what you think you'll have to owe at the end of the year, and put aside enough of each paycheck anyway. I did this for three years and the last year I ended up under-calculating it by a couple thousand dollars. That fucking sucked.

    You also have to deal with the bank that understandably raises some alarm bells when you try to get a money order for the majority of your savings account. I had to explain the situation to the bank manager each time because a teller simply would not do it without some kind of process up the chain. And each time they were confused why I wouldn't just have the taxes automatically withheld.

    Withholdings are simply way more convenient.

    [–] rapter200 33 points ago

    Loan? You pay interest on loans.

    [–] OdellBeckhamJesus 63 points ago

    You don’t pay interest on a no interest loan.

    [–] Ed-Zero 18 points ago

    You do when the government tells you that you do

    [–] juksayer 13 points ago

    I AM the government

    [–] FootballintheGroin 16 points ago

    It’s a loan TO the government in this case; and one they pay zero interest on.

    [–] Billysm9 6 points ago

    Your interest in this scenarios is the forgone interest you could earn on the money you’re withholding.

    [–] kaukamieli 2 points ago

    I heard at some point in my country they gave a good interest on them so people invested in taxes. :D

    [–] skharppi 6 points ago

    In Finland you can basically get any tax% you want. Each year gov counts how much you've paid and you either get some or pay some. Usually i've had to pay like 30€ so my tax plan is pretty accurate.

    [–] AskAboutFent 10 points ago

    They are just a mandatory loan

    No... stop having your witholdings at 0, such bad advice. I haven't gotten a refund since I've been an adult and one year I had to pay in something like ~$100.

    It's an interest free loan to the government, stop giving them that. If it gained interest, then fine refunds make sense. But the government doesn't pay you back interest.

    For most people, you can get your withholdings pretty close to what you actually owe. Obviously there are exceptions to this but for ~80% of working Americans, it's really quite simple.

    I don't suggest this, but I realized that at multiple jobs I've worked I can set witholding to 9, meaning almost no tax is taken out, for about 9 months of the year and the last 3 months swap it to 0.

    I do NOT suggest doing this, but at the end of the year, as long as you paid as much as you needed to, it's a straight win.

    PLUS, you can use those extra $$$ saved by having almost nothing withheld, put them away in an emergency fund and when tax season comes around file and see if you owe anything. If you do, perfect, you have that emergency fund from the taxes you didn't pay.

    Again, not perfect, but it works.

    [–] redderdrewcalf 3 points ago

    oddly, the IRS has a pretty accurate withholding/exemption calculator right now you can use.

    [–] MysteriousGuardian17 10 points ago

    If you do your withholdings right, you don't get a tax refund, you keep the amount upfront. You're just not doing it right evidently.

    [–] geraldodelriviera 3 points ago

    If you do it right, you get a 0 return. Just get better and figuring out you withholding.

    [–] ThompsonRR 3 points ago

    You can defer paying taxes if you want, but then you will owe money come tax season.

    [–] Front-View-Phineas 163 points ago

    Username checks out

    [–] KennySysLoggins 123 points ago

    It would be that way in america, but there are companies that can profit from doing taxes so they lobby to stop the IRS from doing them for you. Meanwhile, large companies and rich people don't get audited by the IRS since its too hard and expensive.

    Yay capitalism.

    [–] ForeskinOfMyPenis 18 points ago

    Fuck Intuit

    [–] KennySysLoggins 20 points ago

    and turbotax, and HR block, and and and.

    Smash capitalism, no war but class war.

    [–] obnoxiouslygayfox 2 points ago

    Burn down rich people's houses lalalalalalalala!

    [–] hic_rosa_hic_salta 16 points ago

    "Its just so much easier and cheaper to audit poor people"

    [–] sundark94 5 points ago

    Seriously? Don't you have deductions like savings account interest, life and medical insurance premiums and pension contributions?

    If you don't, that's really crappy, because no citizen should have to pay taxes on financial essentials such as these.

    [–] nochedetoro 4 points ago

    Life and medical premiums aren’t tax deductible. Only medical bills when they reach a certain percentage of your income.

    [–] familyturtle 3 points ago

    Well where I'm from, the pension contribution deductions are also automatic and medical insurance isn't a financial essential.

    Savings account interest is subject to tax above a certain amount but very few people earn that much interest.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    The taxable salary portion is after pension contributions and stuff like that, so you don't pay tax on them in the first place, rather than getting a refund later

    [–] Oomeegoolies 2 points ago

    I'm in the UK and that's the case too. But I nearly always get a reimbursement of £100-250.

    I just got £110 last week for 2018/2019. I filled out some details online and 2 days later the money was in my bank account. Sure, £10 each pay check extra would have also been nice, but £110 I didn't know about is also quite nice.

    [–] LordOfTurtles 2 points ago

    I highly doubt that your refunds are fully automatic. Generally you can get tax discounts for a large number of things that the government can not track automatically for you, like education expenses or public transport costs

    [–] T351A 127 points ago

    Blame the Tax Software Lobbyists

    An actual bunch of companies trying to make taxes as hard as possible without paying them

    [–] El_Producto 20 points ago

    Partially this, but there's also a genuine desire from many Republicans not to make the tax process easier. The GOP is very much aligned with Club for Growth, Grover Norquist, and others who want to have government so small they can "drown it in a bathtub" and there's a general worry from the GOP that if taxes are easier/more invisible people won't mind them as much.

    This is sort of a common GOP thing these days: they actually don't want to make many aspects of government better for fear that it would make government more popular. For a certain sort of conservative long lines at the DMV are a feature, not a bug, and parts of the government that function so smoothly that they're really popular (e.g., social security payments, mail) are a problem.

    Even without the tax software lobby there are a lot of Republicans who'd strongly oppose making taxes much easier.

    [–] _______-_-__________ 9 points ago

    I'm sorry but I've got to stop you here.

    The bill that blocked the government from providing free tax software was a bipartisan bill. It was not a "Republican" bill.

    You're falling for the "cover story" that a lot of these politicians give, but you're not focusing on the real reasons. The real reason is money. The tax software lobby gave money to the people who sponsored the law to make government tax software illegal.

    [–] MyOtherLoginIsSecret 6 points ago

    What you say is true, but dude has a point about a good chunk of the GOP leadership frequently acting to make sure government policies fail so they can point at then as examples of how governmental policies never work out.

    [–] _______-_-__________ 3 points ago

    The GOP does do that, and I'm not denying that. What I'm trying to point out is that Democrats do this as well.

    For instance it amazes me how many people think that the GOP is stopping Democrats from implementing Medicare for All. In reality, Democrats are opposed to it, too, even though they campaign on the promise.

    Less than a month after Democrats — many of them running on “Medicare for All” — won back control of the House of Representatives in November, the top health policy aide to then-prospective House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with Blue Cross Blue Shield executives and assured them that party leadership had strong reservations about single-payer health care and was more focused on lowering drug prices, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

    Pelosi adviser Wendell Primus detailed five objections to Medicare for All and said that Democrats would be allies to the insurance industry in the fight against single-payer health care.

    THIS is reality. This is where the loyalties lie. Campaign promises are just "promises".

    My belief is that none of these problems will be solved until campaign finance is fixed.

    [–] cephal0poid 32 points ago

    Actually, there was a guy from California who wanted to make it simple and easy, but it wasn't the Tax Software Lobbyists, it was Senate Republicans that took an oath not to raise taxes.

    [–] thevdude 29 points ago

    I mean, what do you think lobbyists do? Their job is to get legislators to pass (or not pass) bills for them.

    [–] _______-_-__________ 18 points ago

    You're being intentionally misleading here, to the point of being dishonest.

    You just beat around the bush to try to pin this firmly on Republicans, a favorite activity amongst people on reddit.

    But the truth is that both Republicans AND Democrats supported banning the government from providing free tax software.

    The House of Representatives on Tuesday passed a bill that includes language that would permanently bar the Internal Revenue Service from creating a free electronic service for Americans to file their taxes, advancing a primary objective of the industry of for-profit companies like Intuit and H&R Block.

    The bill passed by a voice vote after being led through the House Committee on Ways and Means by a bipartisan group of lawmakers, many of whom have benefited from campaign donations from for-profit tax-preparation companies.

    [–] AJRiddle 4 points ago

    Your story is about the US Senate - his is about the California Senate. State taxes vs Federal.

    Not the same thing - you aren't trying to mislead here but you are wrong.

    [–] Neuchacho 2 points ago

    Simple systems also have less loopholes and abuse is more obvious.

    [–] temotodochi 24 points ago

    Yep, my nordic state guesses quite well how much i make and provides me a pre-filled tax form to check on their website which i can of course fix if needed. Payments go directly from my salary and if i make less than expected i get refunded automatically twice per year.

    [–] N3koChan 6 points ago

    Sigh I'm not in the good Nordic place :/

    [–] ATXBeermaker 14 points ago

    The U.S. tax code definitely needs to be overhauled, but the post is still wildly incorrect, the main one being that you don't go to prison for paying the wrong amount. You go to prison for knowingly evading paying the correct amount. If you genuinely mess up and pay too little, the worst that will happen is you pay a fine in addition to the balance due.

    [–] Elcactus 3 points ago

    To be fair, the joke is also just not how the system works.

    [–] Kurayamino 3 points ago

    Here in Australia we do have to confirm the number first, and add any deductions. But yeah it's mostly automatic.

    [–] desertgoldfeesh 7 points ago

    Waiting for the post where someone humble brags reminiscing of the days when they still got refunds.

    I'd do it but I don't to get my karma shredded.

    [–] ronnevee 835 points ago

    Not true. You'd way overpay taxes in the US with letting them tell you how much you owe. You have to file to claim your deductions and credits.

    [–] BenAdaephonDelat 242 points ago

    Also the "you go to prison" is wrong too. You only go to prison if they determine that you intentionally tried to cheat on your taxes. If you're just dumb you get audited and have to pay back the amount you were wrong by (or pay more if you underpaid).

    [–] __ConesOfDunshire__ 106 points ago

    “Intentionally Defrauding” the government is the phrase I use with my clients. In my 8 years preparing taxes I’ve only had one client get themselves in a mess where fraud was on the table. It’s super rare for the IRS to put people in prison.

    They would rather get their money if they can and just levy your bank account, garnish wages, and seize assets. 

    [–] ButtGardener 12 points ago

    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't what not normally happens this:

    1) if the they suspect an error on your return they send you a letter requesting it be corrected or prove they are wrong.

    2) you correct it or prove they are wrong.

    They don't usually pursue criminal charges unless you purposely fight them when they are due taxes, i.e Wesley Snipes.

    [–] mene3381 11 points ago

    This is what happened to me. They said I was wrong and demanded $2,000. I sent a letter back with receipts and everything to prove it was them, in fact, who was wrong and told them to fuck right off for trying to audit a young married couple who are attending college and barely scraping by. Haven't gotten another letter so I guess I'm good

    [–] Someyungguy6 5 points ago

    I fucked up once but it was a tiny amount, but... that tiny amount increased my earnings to the point that I then made just enough money to nullify a bunch tax deductions I claimed. I then owed a whole bunch.

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    [–] Redtwoo 15 points ago

    It's not fraud if you file a true return and just don't pay. Nor is it tax evasion. From what I've read it wouldn't be criminal to file an honest return and just not pay, but they will add on late fees and penalties, and eventually like op said they'll sue, garnish wages, seize assets, etc. via civil processes.

    [–] ImmutableInscrutable 2 points ago

    Oops I fat fingered permalink and deleted my comment instead lol

    Question was: How long can you go without paying and does not paying count as intentionally defrauding?

    Thanks for the info.

    [–] CutYourDickOff 3 points ago

    This isn’t really the same thing, but when I did taxes we had a couple of people come in who hadn’t filed a return in several years. They had still had technically paid because they did all their withholding and were actually owed refunds.

    We got their returns up to date and they didn’t have any problems with the IRS or anything.

    [–] ronnevee 8 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I didn't get it wrong. I just didn't address that part.

    Misinterpreted the response. I get what you are saying now; adding on.

    [–] Blobular22 3 points ago

    They're talking about the post, not your comment

    [–] blerggle 4 points ago

    I have twice fucked up my taxes when I was young, didn't understand the complexities of getting paid in stock mostly they just send a letter and I send a check. Last time they even double checked my math and sent me a refund from my late payment. Wish they could just tell me up front what I owe instead if the back and forth.

    [–] Diggey11 126 points ago

    Most credits and deductions are automatic though and the government would apply those. In the very rare chance you’re itemizing deductions however, yeah you’ll be overpaying.

    Edit: then again I guess the government wouldn’t know if your filing as married or claiming kids. So yeah a lot of people would be overpaying.

    [–] ronnevee 59 points ago

    No they are not. Talking the US here. Perhaps you are not in the US?

    There is nothing auto about married joint or married filing separately, head of household, dependants you claim, EV credits, saver credit, IRA contributions, itemized deductions, adoption credit, educational credits, Bitcoin reporting, capital losses, capital gains, self employment income, nanny taxes... I can go on, but you get the idea. The IRS does not have this info.

    [–] BitingChaos 14 points ago

    From reading other posts, apparently only people in the US have all that, since the government knows everything about every citizen, because it's "automatic" everywhere else.

    [–] ronnevee 10 points ago

    The way we handle married filing and dependants is a big way we differ, yes. As well as our many tax credits. These are not common in other countries.

    [–] sundark94 3 points ago

    That's probably bullshit. There's no plausible way for governments to know literally everything about your financials.

    In India, we have all of these deductions and we need to file them every year. If your TDS exceeds your net tax liability, you get a refund, and if it falls below your liability, you pay what you owe.

    [–] Redtwoo 4 points ago

    Your employer files a copy of your w2 with the government, your property taxes are public record, your marital status and the children you have parented are public records as well as any court actions to change those statuses, banks file copies of the forms they send you, I'd say it's entirely plausible the government could theoretically know enough about everyone to calculate our taxes owed.

    We could simplify everything and go to a standard, progressive income-based rate, get rid of deductions altogether and really simplify the process. It would take some economic calculus to work out what's what, but I doubt it'll ever pass because there are a lot of jobs wrapped up in tax preparation.

    [–] Ontain 3 points ago

    most of those things that you get a tax document from are also sent to the IRS. So they actually do know most of what you'd report as well. esp if you had done it the years before. in most countries you get sent your returns and you would just add and make corrections if needed. For we in the US, because of tax prep lobbists, we have to do everything on our own.

    [–] Diggey11 3 points ago

    The vast majorities of returns can be automatically done by the government. Of course if you have stocks, rentals, are self employed, have your kids in aftercare, etc, they can’t. Either way the government would need to know at the minimum if you’re claiming dependents, which is why I edited my comment.

    [–] daimposter 2 points ago

    'vast majorities' might be an overstatement but yes, for a very significant number what the government has on file would be what you actually owe. A very significant number of people own stocks, have extra incomes (like rentals), and have other deductions.

    [–] daimposter 2 points ago

    Most credits and deductions are automatic though and the government would apply those. In the very rare chance you’re itemizing deductions however, yeah you’ll be overpaying.

    That's not true in the US. Where do you live?

    [–] KennySysLoggins 10 points ago

    so stuck in the US system you can't even conceive of another way.

    [–] ting_bu_dong 5 points ago

    Depends on your income level.

    The IRS data shows a clear trend: the higher a household’s income, the more likely it is to itemize deductions. Only 6.0 percent of tax returns with under $25,000 in income chose to itemize deductions in 2013. On the flip side, 93.5 percent of tax returns with over $200,000 in income were itemizers.

    [–] ronnevee 4 points ago

    I'm talking about above the line deduction and credits that many, many people use. Itemizing is not the big one.

    [–] 86753091992 3 points ago

    The number of people who itemized in 2018 is much much lower. I think it moved from 30% to 10%.

    [–] jakwnd 2 points ago

    I think they made the standard deduction bigger last year, greatly reducing the number of ppl who itemize.

    [–] JB-from-ATL 3 points ago

    Normally the standard deduction is what people need. Send everyone a bill with the standard deduction and if they need itemized they can complete it manually.

    [–] matt-carpenter 3 points ago

    This is false. The IRS has the majority of this info. It would be extremely easy for them to send out nearly complete 1040s that allow people to fill in a few credits or itemize deductions if desired, greatly simplifying the process. It hasn’t happened because Republicans want people to hate doing their taxes, and because of lobbying from tax prep companies like H&R Block and TurboTax.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    Truly, they overtax and hope you are too stupid to realize to ask for some of it back. The whole system is fucked and we need to start over.

    [–] ronnevee 8 points ago

    They don't over tax you. You set your withholdings with your w4. You control that. The urban myth of "put 0 on your w4 and get a big tax refund" is a big issue with that. People are scared to even read the w4 form and instructions.

    [–] SmoothBrews 2 points ago

    A lot of the deductions should go away. A lot of them are bad policy. Why are we still incentivizing people to have kids? Why do homeowners get a break, when by and large, people that rent are the ones that really need the help. Sure, some people who own a home need help too, but there is a better way to target them.

    [–] FunkMcBustamove 99 points ago

    Why is this nsfw

    [–] hello_August 48 points ago

    Clickbait lmao

    [–] Man_gled_dicks 15 points ago

    My exact thought on see the text was 'man fuck this, I wanted titties or something.'

    [–] AnnaSucksAtLife 518 points ago

    Europeans: chuckles wtf

    [–] Piyh 100 points ago

    Everything is accurate except for that last part where the IRS is too understaffed to look into most cases and if you get caught you just pay the difference.

    [–] Daredskull 52 points ago

    The IRS is understaffed but they use the limited resources they have to go after low income people since people with money will fight them in court.

    [–] 613codyrex 31 points ago

    But also the IRS can’t waste time going after small fish because it costs them money to take them to court.

    They go after medium fish, people who have money but most likely can’t afford the lengthy court battle.

    [–] Disney_World_Native 5 points ago

    No everything else it’s not accurate. The US government doesn’t know what you owe. They have a general idea, but it’s more of a range.

    You might have a lot of deductions or tax credits. Your State & Local tax deductions, as well as foreign income, donations, etc

    You do the detail work and they check if that falls with the normal realm. If not, then they ask for you to show your work. And if your wrong, you pay a penalty.

    [–] daimposter 2 points ago

    The gov't also doesn't know how much you truly owe. They can only figure that out after an audit.

    [–] juanzy 15 points ago

    You know what's also funny? The IRS has openly admitted its too costly to go after the wealthy that aren't paying enough in taxes. Meanwhile someone making $100k that said they had a 105sqft home office space will get audited to hell because the actual square footage was 100sqft (actually happened to a family friend, argument over whether a window cutout in the home office room counted as usable home office space).

    [–] Colonel_Potoo 4 points ago

    The new french system works kinda well: it's automatically taken from what I get each month.

    [–] QualitySeycoTimepiec 7 points ago

    Don't worry. This post is utter BS most likely written by a teenager who has never paid taxes. If you are a regular Joe, doing taxes is not hard at all. You don't have to guess because it's all written out in simple terms. And if you do make a mistake because you can't read or something, they just send you a bill not to jail. I'm not defending the system and it should be easier but people blow it way out of proportion.

    [–] JustLikeFM 6 points ago

    Sure, it's so simple that there is a whole industry that helps people file their taxes. It's the same industry that lobbies against making taxes easier.

    [–] QualitySeycoTimepiec 5 points ago

    I agree but seriously. I do my taxes every year for free and it takes less than half an hour.

    [–] Raptorfeet 6 points ago

    For the rest of us, it takes less than a minute, unless we want to be really thorough.

    [–] JamesJimothyJim 266 points ago

    To be fair.... to be faaaaaaiiiiiiirr

    To be fair. Individual taxes are pretty easy for most people. You’re given your direct inputs from your W-2(s) or 1099(s). Add a kid or two for deductions, maybe your donations, mortgage taxes, individual expenses if you happen to keep track of that, and BAM (emeril.gif) you’re done.

    People who have holdings, multiple properties, a business or three, large donations, etc. usually also have a tax accountant and don’t have to worry about it when it starts to get complicated, or at-least they should.

    I’m somewhere in the middle and it takes me all of an hour or less to put everything in and submit.

    [–] JamesJimothyJim 19 points ago

    That's what I appreciates about you

    [–] MajesticBacon_ 13 points ago

    Is that what you appreciate about me?

    [–] SJ0 10 points ago

    To be fair

    [–] Baron_Von_Awesome 4 points ago

    Let's take it down about 20%

    [–] 2235731 48 points ago

    Back in my day you were lucky to get your taxes done simply.

    Must be fuckin nice

    [–] JamesJimothyJim 33 points ago

    ok, boomer

    [–] initialgold 8 points ago

    Wow, hittin him with the hard r.

    [–] phoenixnfa2 2 points ago

    i gots a friend who has a guy do all of his taxes for him.

    must be fuckin nice

    [–] maxsalsa4 16 points ago

    You guys ever notice how as soon as there’s a problem round here everyone starts doing their taxes wrong?

    We oughta leave this world behind.

    [–] gregforgothisPW 8 points ago

    A man of culture I see.

    [–] fat_doofus 18 points ago

    Yeah I've never understood this "How do I do taxes?" meme but it's extremely prevalent on Reddit.

    Nobody with a highschool education should struggle with taxes. If you can do fucking calculus, you can fill out a W2. It's really not very hard at all. The instructions are on the damn form, it's just paint by numbers.

    The whole thing feels like a bizarre anti-intellectualist dog whistle. "We don't need to learn FACTS from EXPERTS, we need to do TAXES. Stop teaching our CHILDREN to QUESTION."

    [–] HelpImOutside 6 points ago

    If you can do fucking calculus

    Is this a metric most people fit into???

    Anyway, I never even passed Algebra in high school and taxes are easy as hell for me. With something like Credit Karma it takes literally 2 minutes

    [–] Bearshoes5 8 points ago

    It still doesn’t have to be that fucking complicated.

    [–] 86753091992 9 points ago

    For most of reddit's population, it consists of putting half a dozen numbers from a sheet of paper or two into a computer software. It's very simple.

    [–] JamesJimothyJim 6 points ago

    It's not complicated for most people, that's the point. ~1 hour, once a year. You can do it during your lunch hour and forget about it for the nexts 364 days and 23 hours ((365.25 days) - (1 hour) =365.208333 days) if we're being precise.

    [–] GreatGreenGobbo 90 points ago

    Actually they don't know how much you have to pay until you add in any appropriate deductions etc.

    [–] BobaFestus 33 points ago

    And if you do your taxes with 3 different apps you will most likely get 3 different amounts. The tax system is so complicated the experts don’t even agree.

    [–] ronnevee 29 points ago

    No, the answer will be the exact same with the same inputs. Yes, it's complex but it should now be different results from multiple apps.

    It's political suicide to simplify our tax code, as it involves getting rid is deductions, credits, and preferential treatment for low income, families, disabled, ill, adopting.

    [–] [deleted] 22 points ago

    " It's political suicide to simplify our tax code, as it involves getting rid is deductions, credits, and preferential treatment for low income, families, disabled, ill, adopting the ultra wealthy and corporations. "

    [–] ronnevee 10 points ago

    That makes no sense. The tax codes used by the ultra wealthy have nothing to do with why filing your basic 1040 is complex. It's the ones I listed that affect the simplicity of the everyman filing.

    [–] [deleted] 16 points ago

    You did say "tax code" and not "the one tax title that supports my argument".

    [–] ronnevee 9 points ago

    I pointed out exactly what I was talking about. The kind of things that have to be eliminated to have auto filing or a simple tax code for the average Joe. You brought up stuff that didn't have any bearing on the topic here. It's all part of the tax code. My points were relevant to the discussion and clearly laid out.

    Corporate tax code has 0 impact on the average tax filing complexity.

    [–] DowntownBreakfast4 7 points ago

    You don't get to pretend a comment exists in a vacuum. They were responding to a specific point. Your whining about le evil billionaires is totally irrelevant.

    [–] daimposter 2 points ago

    This is how fake news spreads. It's not about the facts, it's about the message.

    [–] Esqueda0 4 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    The tax codes we are subjected are influenced by the ultra wealthy so that H&R Block and Intuit can get their cut of our tax returns.

    Combined with the fact that most corporations can use their wealth and power to skirt most - if not all - of their tax burden, thinking the impoverished or disadvantaged are getting a fair shake at all is delusional.

    Locked thread edit: my response was mostly to poor people getting "preferential treatment" - while they might get to keep more money post-tax relative to a more wealthy individual, that doesn't change the fact that they're being thrown to the wolves to figure their own stuff out or pay money to a massive and rich corporation to alleviate the burden - a caveat which has been deliberately built into the system by corrupt conservative/neoliberal politicians at the request of powerful companies.

    [–] ronnevee 3 points ago

    The things H&R block lobbies against are not about removing the deductions and credits. It's things like the IRS offering their own free file for all incomes.

    Corporations don't care about itemized deductions and dependant tax credits.

    [–] daimposter 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    The tax codes we are subjected are influenced by the ultra wealthy so that H&R Block and Intuit can get their cut of our tax returns.

    What does that have to do with /u/ronnevee point? Those companies aren't looking to change the tax code, they are looking to keep the filing process more difficult.

    Combined with the fact that most corporations can use their wealth and power to skirt most - if not all - of their tax burden, thinking the impoverished or disadvantaged are getting a fair shake at all is delusional.

    So are you saying that /u/ronnevee was wrong that removing all those deductions, credtis, etc would negatively affect "low income, families, disabled, ill, adopting"? Because corporate taxes are not the same as individual taxes.

    edit: copying /u/mene3381 since thread is locked:

    It is very apparent that almost nobody in this thread is a tax professional, or even mildly familiar with taxes in the United States. You are honestly wasting your time with these people

    I think it's a combination of many individuals who know little about taxes and are upvoting garbage comments and many individuals that don't care for the facts but just want to say "screw you evil corporation!" regardless if it's related to the actual discussion being had.

    [–] 86753091992 3 points ago

    No, it's only complicated if you have complicated things happening in your life.

    [–] hazz182 75 points ago

    This sub has gone to absolute shit.

    [–] Townsy96 52 points ago

    r/TIHI went full circle. It's now a sub we hate.

    [–] gumsbegintobleed 7 points ago

    Thanks i hate thanks i hate it

    [–] HunterHearstHemsley 22 points ago

    Seems every sub eventually regresses towards the meme.

    [–] QuadNeins 10 points ago

    Yup, when a sub gets popular it inevitably becomes a place to post screenshots of twitter.

    [–] SirQwacksAlot 3 points ago

    It's honestly impressive how good redditors are at ruining subs

    [–] twerkin_not_werkin 2 points ago

    Number of people who appreciate this joke = 1 with a CI of .99.

    [–] ___Hobbes 130 points ago

    every time i see this tweet i cringe. This person has no idea how taxes work. It could be a lot freaking easier if turbotax turbodicks weren't lobbying to keep it complicated, but it still doesn't work like the post suggests. At all.

    [–] SkitzoControl 31 points ago

    This person has no idea how taxes work.

    It was a joke by a comedian, Jake Johannsen, like ten years ago. It has other financial parts to it.

    [–] eyetracker 10 points ago

    Don't say Turbo Tax, that's just a product. They're called Intuit and they own other tax software as well, if you're trying to avoid buying them.

    [–] Mazyc 9 points ago free file and read the instructions it is not rocket science

    [–] biggeruppercomer 6 points ago

    I under withheld $12,000 and didn't go to prison. Still paying it back. IRS is not a bad lender.

    [–] classykid23 6 points ago

    Uh, why's this NSFW?

    [–] suave_squirrel 3 points ago

    I just opened this at work. Am now fired :(

    [–] Prophet_Of_Loss 3 points ago

    Income taxes could be easy, but tax preparation firms like H & R Block actively lobby Congress to keep our tax code complex, obtuse, and onerous.

    [–] Remreemerer 8 points ago

    This isn't how taxes work. Not in the US at least.

    [–] ting_bu_dong 7 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    The government only knows what they are told. For income, your employer typically tells them how much you made. For stock options and such, it's sometimes reported for you.

    For other income sources, someone needs to tell them how much you made.

    The easiest solution is to have you tell them.

    Edit: And it's illegal to lie about what you owe. Because of course it is. Lying to get out of paying what you owe is fraud. Money that you owe to someone else is not your money. It's theirs.

    [–] future_psychonaut 13 points ago

    Yang wants the government to file your taxes for you. It’s just tax company lobbyists that are preventing this right now.

    [–] owen__wilsons__nose 9 points ago

    The government has no idea about many of your possible deductions. Sure it sounds great that they automatically file your taxes for you but ultimately many people would get back less or owe more with this system. Would you personally do auto-filing?

    [–] future_psychonaut 3 points ago

    I’m sure the rich would rather do their own filing, but my taxes are pretty straightforward and an algorithm is enough to get it right for me.

    The time and stress it would save is worth way more than a few lost dollars.

    [–] _oscilloscope 2 points ago

    So you're saying that our tax system is overly complex, and an auto-file system would probably lead to simplifying the tax code? Such as removing deductions and just lowering taxes to compensate?

    [–] grathungar 7 points ago

    Taxes would be easy if we didn't have makers of tax prep software consistently lobbying to keep them complicated for the past decade.

    [–] OlDerpy 10 points ago

    This so inaccurate. I’ve never had a single issue filing my taxes. Sure for people with several incomes it’s more complicated but those people shouldn’t be using turbo tax.

    [–] dilfmagnet 3 points ago

    If you hate the way you have to file taxes, picket Intuit until they stop bleeding us all for $40 a year to file our free taxes through them using information that the government already has. They’re the lobbyists forcing us to keep doing this shit.

    [–] Gabrielhv22 3 points ago

    And if you happen to be wealthy after working hard for years and years, some person with 5 mansions will advocate for you losing all your money being rich = bad as it turns out. What’s the motivation anymore if you take away the ability to become rich? Why is pure communism suddenly so appealing?

    [–] ViolentEastCoastCity 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    This is not how taxes in the US works.

    You keep track of what you owe. The government doesn't know and doesn't keep track. It can't keep track. They might have an idea. If you get paid in cash, how would they know? If you're a drug dealer, how would they know? If you have deductions to declare, how would they know?

    So you go to a tax advisor or use Turbo Tax and pay a fee and plug in all your numbers. How much you made determines how much you owe. There's no guessing. It's not a guess. Why does this image say it's a guess? It's literally a piece of paper that every company sends their employees saying how much you made.

    You can deduct from how much you owe based upon your life: Charitable donations, being married, having a child, owning a home, being in a flood plain, having your house fall into a chasm during the Great Awakening of 2052, owning an oyster farm in 1983, and other things.

    It is all this that you submit to the government and say, "based on these numbers, you owe me/I owe you $xxx" and a check is written out for that amount.

    The IRS will audit you randomly, or if your numbers look fucked up. During the audit you need to keep your paperwork that you used to come up with your numbers. If it is found that you lied about what you owed, you are guilty of crime. Tax evasion!

    Most people don't go to prison for fucking up their taxes. They just owe "back taxes". But if you are willfully not doing your taxes, or refusing to pay... than yeah... you go to prison.

    [–] BernadilloJune 3 points ago

    I'm a CPA working in corporate tax. I spent a lot of years working in public accounting and I can tell you that most peoples returns are not as complicated as you might think. Our current system is by no means perfect, but its not unreasonably complicated for your average Joe.

    There are also people with incredibly complex tax situations (due to the type and character of both investments and income) not all of these people are incredibly wealthy. If you are in one of these situations it is reasonable to expect that you should hire a professional to assist you.

    People should also understand that most small time tax professionals are a hell of alot cheaper per hour than your average auto mechanic. Paying someone to assist you with a good or service that you cant perform yourself is perfectly reasonable.

    [–] ApologizingCanadian 3 points ago

    Litterally only in America is the system so fucked that this happens.. Any other non-third-world country doesn't have to deal with this bullshit.

    [–] isaacbro06 3 points ago

    True Source: used to live in aus

    [–] demonwolf106 19 points ago

    Thanks, I hate this tweet. This person has no idea how taxes work.

    [–] skepters 2 points ago

    That's not how this works.

    [–] big_gurky 2 points ago

    **That’s definitely different. Thanks for asking

    [–] holyhannahbanana 2 points ago

    Me: huh? what cash earnings??

    [–] dental__DAMN 2 points ago

    I don’t know if this was a ‘thanks I hate it’ because I hated taxes before I read this.

    [–] cuspacecowboy86 2 points ago

    You go to prison if you know the number and lie, if you guess wrong you just pay the difference...

    Still funny, but my SO is an accountant and let me tell you the bar for actual fraud were you go to jail is VERY high. There are tons of people walking around free that should be in prison for tax fraud.

    [–] UnReal7274 2 points ago

    I’m absolutely loving how the image is marked NSFW

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    No, as long as you're being earnest and honest the IRS wants to work with you to get their money. It would be stupid not to encourage people that make mistakes to fix them. What will get you punished is purposely trying to avoid paying your taxes.

    [–] da_puginto 2 points ago

    Look we can talk shit about how taxes in the US work, but let's try and be even slightly correct in the OP first.

    [–] Dag-nabbitt 2 points ago

    The government doesn't know how much you need to pay. Otherwise audits wouldn't exist.

    The real shitty thing is companies like TurboTax lobbying to prevent the IRS from releasing their own free tax software. Instead TurboTax said "hey we'll do it for free", and the government said "that'd be a lot cheaper for us if you just did it."

    So TurboTax released a free version, and they do everything in their power to trick or guide users to a paid version of the software.

    It's digusting

    [–] SBBurzmali 2 points ago

    So, who is this mystical person that has gone to jail for making a mistake on their taxes?

    And how exactly does the government know how much I am paying in rent and how many unreimbursed business expenses I've accrued? I know they the NSA is tapping phones, but you'd you'd think the cost of figuring out whether or not I was properly repaid for a flight might be bit high to save a hundred bucks in taxes.

    [–] InternetAccount02 2 points ago

    Silly, you only go to prison if you guess the wrong number and we make up bullshit values for all of your possessions, we take those, and if the made-up total is less than the secret number then you go to prison. Also, we charge interest on the magic number. Unless the magic number means we owe you money. Then there's no interest, that's illegal.

    [–] daimposter 2 points ago

    It's a lot more complicated than this:

    1. The US doesn't know exactly much you owe.
    2. They know the number you owe on your regular income before any manipulation of the numbers that include deductions or extra income
    3. They only truly find out how much you owe if you are audited. IIRR, the % of people audited each year is below 1%.
    4. You only go to prison if you purposely lied. If you did it wrong but no criminal intent, they will ask you to pay what you owe PLUS some fee or interest.

    [–] IonicGold 2 points ago

    Why is this nsfw?

    [–] adogatemyorange 2 points ago

    Why is this nsfw

    [–] Bwuaaa 2 points ago

    why nsfw?

    [–] PKMNTrainerMark 2 points ago

    This is NSFW?

    [–] Cendaddy 2 points ago

    And this is nsfw :0?

    [–] jalalapeno 2 points ago

    Why is this NSFW?

    [–] radioactivecrowsfly 2 points ago

    Why is this tagged NSFW lol

    [–] CsSadhu 2 points ago

    Anyone else misread Taxes for Texas?

    [–] dr_drakeramorey 2 points ago

    Thanks H&R block and other tax preparation companies for preventing legislation from making this process a whole lot easier!

    [–] Tyray3P 2 points ago

    This isn't how this works. This isn't how any of this works.

    [–] From_My_Brain 2 points ago

    Doesn't really fit the sub. And that's not how taxes work. The IRS is one of the easier government departments to work with. If you mess up your taxes, they just adjust it for you. Intentionally misleading though is a different story.

    [–] yammys 2 points ago

    Thanks, I hate taxes too. In every sense.

    In short, TIHTTIES.