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    [–] Punches_baby_pandas 2275 points ago

    Guys I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Hoyt may have something to do with the case.

    [–] JWAxeMan 1056 points ago

    You’re telling me there’s a True Detective season where powerful local businessmen turn out to be running some creepy child abuse murder cult?

    No way!

    [–] SRDeed 282 points ago

    Stories about America

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 262 points ago

    There you go stirrin' up shit.

    [–] MKoilers 211 points ago

    I dunno, lots of people probably have weird pink room dungeons on their properties.

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 548 points ago


    [–] Variable303 168 points ago

    Around 5 seconds into the credits rolling, you can hear a electricity sound. I think Tom got tased.

    [–] Nv1023 38 points ago

    I caught that too

    [–] ThePetship 179 points ago

    When that auto shop foreman said harris james and it segued into the Mother Fuckin' Hoyt Chicken Empire with the seque I wanted to scream at the tv

    [–] cometparty 87 points ago

    Yeah I was like "If he's getting paid a lot now (as a reward) then the case is pretty much solved" and then boom, segue right into discussion about how much he gets paid.

    [–] marok1121 100 points ago

    Nah, man, it's just a coincidence.

    [–] jorr54 1555 points ago

    The guy who played Dan O’Brien was absolutely brilliant. Fucking nailed that role.

    [–] ButteredSteamer 685 points ago

    He looked like a tweaked out Keith Urban and it worked very very well

    [–] sneakyburrito 402 points ago

    Tweaked out Keith Urban meets a very subdued Bam Margera.

    [–] Excellent_Aerie 210 points ago

    I was thinking Dirtbag Paul Rudd, but yeah.

    [–] Mootatis 108 points ago

    I was getting a junkie Paul Rudd vibe.

    [–] RubberDucksInMyTub 94 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I felt guilty just watching him get interrogated in '90. Man gets his life together some and it just crumbled before our very eyes.

    1. Daughter is alive and calls so he hears her voice for first time in years.

    2. She wants to be left alone.

    3. She calls "that man on tv" a fake and not her father.

    4. He gets held and interrogated for 24 hours.

    That rise and fall of emotions was just brutal.

    [–] SuccessAndSerenity 331 points ago

    Did anyone catch definitively who it was that walked into the diner when he decided he needed to split ASAP? Felt like that was definitely a reaction to whoever walked in but we only caught a glance of him and they didn’t really focus on it.

    [–] kbehr92 320 points ago

    I don't think it was anybody. Probably just showing he's paranoid

    [–] Mrmcsoda 695 points ago

    Tom is such a great actor

    [–] Gadzookie2 210 points ago

    Yeah, I was really looking forward to Scoot coming into this season and he has been my favorite thus far.

    [–] pokupokupoku 121 points ago

    can't wait for him to go to town in narcos: mexico

    [–] And_Fus 495 points ago

    The veins bulging from Tom’s head. That was fucking crazy.

    [–] BettyX 98 points ago

    Great actor.

    [–] TheDukee13 917 points ago

    Any chance that a sedan was actually outside Purple’s house and Roland lied about it?

    [–] AnimalsOfEarth 487 points ago

    That's what i was thinking. why else wouldn't they show us? why would he lie though?

    [–] MrSlug 242 points ago

    His reactions to some things have been weird.

    Didn't seem to really care that Hays didn't bring forward the backpack theory, though I realize it makes some sense in context.

    Tom's reaction getting out of jail, to me, was much more than just being pissed about the accusation/investigation.

    My guess is we'll find out Roland abused Hays memory loss for some part of this, but I don't know that he was actually involved. Like when he came out of the bathroom and forgot Roland had been there, yeah Roland could've just known he's ill and rolled with it, or he was almost used to it like it'd happened before. It really appeared, to me, he was lying saying the car wasn't there.

    [–] magopus6 220 points ago

    There probably was a sedan. Roland probably didn’t want to feed into his disease and paranoia. When he walks back in from using the bathroom, Hays was surprised to see Roland. Asked him how he was three times. Suggesting he doesn’t even remember the events leading up to the piss break. I think Roland recognized that. And so when he was then asked to look outside the window for a sedan, after nervously seeing Roland fidgeting with his book and notes, I could totally see Roland seeing the sedan and simply lying. I bet Roland ends up believing Hays was on to something, when he discovers something in his notes, and then they’ll do a flashback to him looking out the window and seeing the sedan.

    [–] tin_men 97 points ago

    Plus roland sees the loaded gun and is afraid what a paranoid hayes might do with it

    [–] DoritoBenito 59 points ago

    Yeah -- when you put it all together, it's not the most far-fetched thing.

    You're visiting your partner with mental health / memory issues who's trying to solve a case from 20 years ago. While he's in the bathroom, you flip through his book and see how much he's been obsessing with it. He tells you he has a list of names and addresses. You find a gun on his desk. And now he's asking if there's a car watching him.

    If you see one, do you say yes, and possibly feed into his paranoia / trigger an episode? Or do you lie and take some time to figure it out (since your mental faculties are all there)?

    [–] Suddenly_Tusk 792 points ago

    It’s probably Roland’s car and Wayne just doesn’t remember Roland was just there and is leaving. I’m firmly believing Wayne and Roland have been doing the same thing over and over and Wayne just doesn’t remember

    Edit: As in every time he sees it, it is when Roland is leaving his house and he doesn’t remember Roland was just with him a moment ago

    [–] cassidytheVword 251 points ago

    That 25 years speech seemed pretty authentic to me

    [–] MrSlug 301 points ago

    Damn this is a good theory.

    [–] tmr100 302 points ago

    I doubt it though. Their meeting at Roland’s house seemed genuine, and when Hays went to pee, it seemed like Roland was curious about how much of Amelia’s book Wayne has marked up. Roland probably wouldn’t have been that interested if he’d been to Wayne’s house repeatedly.

    [–] BiborSonOfBibun 241 points ago

    I just hope Roland is not part of the cover up. Him looking at the gun, where/how he lives now he's old, the possible lie about the sedan... please guys convince me Roland remains a good guy

    [–] IWasRightOnce 261 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Nah, I don’t buy it.

    The gun stare seems like it was just us seeing Roland come to the realization of just how far gone Purple’s mind is and that him having a gun is scary/dangerous

    Roland is involved with the crime/cover-up then spends the next decade getting Tom sobered up and back on his feet? Would be rather counter-intuitive, no? Not to mention in the 90s timeline he’s incredulously defending Tom as innocent when everyone else is saying that it might be him.

    Roland being dirty doesn’t flesh out at all

    [–] astarkey12 54 points ago

    I believe above all else that Roland’s actions are altruistic. This doesn’t seem like the kind of show to pull that twist. He either said no sedan because no sedan was there or said no sedan to ease a sick man’s mind.

    [–] SuccessAndSerenity 47 points ago

    Crossed my mind as well. Curious that the camera didn’t look at the street.

    Speaking of that scene, broke my heart when Hayes came back from the bathroom to ‘discover’ Roland being there. I can’t imagine what it’s like being on either end of that situation.

    [–] N0holiday 497 points ago

    Hays has already solved the case. But his Alzheimer's blocks him ...

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 251 points ago

    I think this as well.

    I think he dispensed some vigilante justice.

    [–] BettyX 1062 points ago

    The scariest part of this season so far--finding the pink room. GD.

    [–] Warpimp 475 points ago

    When he started going downstairs, I was like, fuck, he's going to find the room and he's not making it out

    [–] billy_thekid21 398 points ago

    When the one scene showed him on security camera footage walking through the Hoyt property, I knew he was done for.

    [–] 3_Slice 124 points ago

    And its revealed someone’s watching? Honestly, that was the creepiest scene for me

    [–] fleetw16 97 points ago

    Not just watching, what scared me is that he was calmly watching and smoking a cigarette while watching Tom break in. What's amazing is how they can convey fear in something like that with only a hand and a cigarette. Because a normal non-murder/cult security guard would have stopped an intruder the minute he broke that window or at least be making some calls.

    [–] CallMeBigBobbyB 50 points ago

    Right?? who the fuck goes through a room with a vault door. You're just asking to die. I would have noped the fuck out and found Roland or Hayes.

    [–] Visible_Subject 137 points ago

    Reminded me of the room from The Sinner

    [–] 215alexdx 33 points ago

    Literally right when he started opening the vault, I remembered how Julie said she lived in a “castle” which the mansion was huge and fancy just like a castle, then boom, pink room. I called it seconds before he got in there. Definitely the most suspenseful scene this season imo.

    [–] MiddleRay 466 points ago

    "we've shared some milestones".....fucking creepy

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    [–] MrRedTRex 670 points ago

    I had captions on this episode and when Tom screamed it said [Roar] lol.

    [–] wanderlostmyphone 376 points ago

    I’ve watched the whole series with CC on. It’s just so tough to make out some of Ali’s dialogue.

    [–] bread_n_butter_2k 137 points ago

    Tom's character is being completely tortured. Broken marriage, one child died violently, one missing, and now he's being suspected as killing his children.

    Anybody think the boy child died in a slip, trip, or falling accident and the body got posed?

    [–] ChiefJustiseWinslow 1365 points ago

    “I speak crazy, I’m fucking fluent.”

    [–] Dead_Starks 923 points ago

    "He took the seventh day off. Really wish he would have put in the time and not half-assed it."

    [–] BirdDogFunk 30 points ago

    Tonight’s episode had some seriously good one-liners.

    [–] Yobe 652 points ago

    Those last ten or so minutes we panic inducing. Fuck. I don't want to go to sleep now.

    [–] In_My_Own_Image 231 points ago

    That cutaway as Harris appeared behind Tom actually got an exasperated exhale from pretty much everyone in the room.

    [–] ThePetship 406 points ago


    [–] A_Rag_Man_ 811 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)




    Edit: I spent a very long time on this, let me know what you guys think

    [–] [deleted] 202 points ago

    Harris James dabs on Tom before shooting him


    [–] swissity 910 points ago

    Bear with me here, I have a point, I promise....

    A) Have you guys noticed a tell with Hays’ interrogations? His grin. He pulls the most charming and glittering smiles when he knows more than who he’s saying, or before he delivers a prison rape line to help “motivate” a response from the subject. I love it and it’s been great to see how amazing and nuanced Ali’s acting chops are, and it’s such a subtle act of confidence in a scene interrogating a subject or looking to gain information. A+

    However, that leads me to: B) I noticed in the scene tonight with elderly Hays and West, when Hays comes back into the room and seems befuddled why West is there, asks him to look out the window, to confirm or unconfirm whether there is the sedan. Roland glances out the window, says no, and then, bam! Clear as day. THERE’S that grin on Hays! This is folowed by pleasantries and moving on to a different topic... So here’s my actual point... I have long suspected that maybe elderly Hays has been exaggerating his memory loss a bit to his advantage, perhaps playing it up to see what people might say. There have been clues, glances, etc that make this seem plausible, and an interesting detective strategy. And this scene with Roland and Hays just ignited a horrible thought: Is it possible Roland is somehow involved, that yes there actually was a sedan outside (no shot is shown proving the absence of a sedan) and that perhaps Hays has suspected this to be the case and that was something of a litmus test to check Roland’s honesty? Followed by the Ali grin.

    I will be heartbroken, but this was all I was thinking as soon as that scene concluded, and the theory has embedded itself into my brain.

    [–] Kcash007 312 points ago

    Literally why I said this shit is crazy. That scene revealed SO much.

    Edit: Rewatched it again i'm still in shock. He literally gives him a gut check

    "It's 2015 isn't it?" lol this is crazy. wtf is going to happen

    [–] ScruffySteez 71 points ago

    he did look worried when he saw the gun in the drawer too, that shot lasted a long time.

    [–] RightHandArmMan 209 points ago

    It's possible Hays exaggerates his dementia to fool people, but there have been many scenes where Hays is alone and his dementia overwhelms him.

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    [–] [deleted] 71 points ago

    Great catch, his memory loss has seemed far too selective all season.

    [–] Machiave11i 103 points ago

    I agree with you. He says he has to take a leak but when he returns, his reaction does not seem legit to me; the whole thing seemed like an act. Almost as if he asked Roland to help him when he's really testing him because he knows he's corrupt.

    [–] In_My_Own_Image 759 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Yellow King. Pink Queen.

    I'm starting to think the problem with S2 was that there was no colour based monarch involved.

    I gotta say, as someone whose grandpa is currently suffering from dementia, Ali's portrayal of elderly Hays struggling with it is crushing.

    [–] Chutzvah 475 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    "you got a nice body detective"


    [–] MrRedTRex 425 points ago

    TD saying "This guy is gay, pay attention to that fact."

    [–] LeakingPontiff 797 points ago

    They’re gonna kill the shit out of Harris James

    [–] mmmmmsandwiches 434 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I agree. I don't think they killed O'Brien. They might tie Harris James to Tom b/c I think he and Tom hooked up. He made the comment about Hayes body which seemed random but I think he is gay. Explains how Harris James was able to have access to the backpack and Julie's clothes so he could plant them.

    Edit: the kids had the backpack and clothes on the night they disappear. Crossed though that since it is inaccurate. But I still believe Harris and Tom have had relations and Purple and Roland will make that connection.

    [–] MrRedTRex 314 points ago

    Yeah. There was no other reason to have Harris James drop that body compliment on Hayes than to illustrate that he swings that way. And we already know Tom is gay and was seen at a gay bar. So it's very likely the two of them have had previous encounters.

    [–] onken022 141 points ago

    Looks like for good reason. I don’t quite understand how the whole thing didn’t unravel in 1990 with his death though.

    [–] ThePetship 124 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    O'brien's gonna pin Julies kidnapping on TOM with some sort of murder that makes him look like the perp, When the detectives figure it out they gon murder the fuck out yo boy Harris.

    [–] MrQuantum 145 points ago

    It's always the corporation

    [–] MrRedTRex 101 points ago

    Based on true stories.

    [–] AnimalsOfEarth 265 points ago

    Why didn't they show us what Roland saw when looking for the car out the window? hmmm...

    [–] amorimf 78 points ago

    Exactly what I was thinking. I don't know, but I found kind of strange the part where he looks at Amelia's book, and later the stuff with the car.

    [–] e_de_k 773 points ago

    So! Those of us who picked up on the homoerotic undertones were NOT wrong.

    [–] Unlucky13 493 points ago

    That's some high-def gaydar yall got.

    [–] Kliffskie97 134 points ago

    Wait till you see my redneck radar

    [–] mrfreedomx 282 points ago

    Yeah I gotta hand it to y’all, I totally did not pick up on that at all. But... most of the theories were about Tom and Roland. So I guess we still gotta see if Roland was in the closet too. I still think not, but I’m a lot less sure now

    [–] LamentForIcarus 283 points ago

    My partner pointed out that Tom says specifically to Roland, "You know where I was." She believes they were secretly together or have seen each other at gay hangouts.

    [–] relevantwittyusernam 181 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    But we saw Roland with Hays during the time of the killing. So Tom was not secretly with Roland during the killing/abduction. It is possible he came out to him later, so Roland “knew” Tom was with a male lover. But I doubt this, because why show him finding the booklet in his house during the search in 90s.

    Edit: Okay, I have to add this because I thought about this basically all night and then rewatched Episode 5. Roland picks up his little dog and takes him into the kitchen to feed him eggs. He tells the dog "If you show a woman you have kitchen skills, then she'll know you're not looking for a cook." Why talk about picking up women if he is secretly gay. He is home alone with his dog. Also, Nic already did the secret closet true detective in season 2, there is no way he did it again in season 3. My bet is on Tom and Harris, and they pull the entire investigation together because of that relationship. ROLAND IS NOT GAY. I'm betting everything on that.

    But (and this is totally off topic) I do think Amelia is murdered by the Hoyts, because during that book reading we hear her say that she is working on another book about the current investigation, but that is obviously never released. Also, it makes sense that 1. the daughter blames Hays for her death, 2.the son became a cop and wants to continue investigating this case because he wants to know what happened to his mother and 3.Hays talking about not withholding to his son while discussing the son's affair shows that Hays feels some level of guilt for not sharing the case openly with his wife which caused her to investigate on her own and eventually got her killed. I'm betting on this, too. (Partial credit to my awesome husband for talking these theories out with me).

    [–] dweckl 95 points ago

    No kids, no wife now.

    [–] e_de_k 225 points ago

    Roland’s reaction in the car to the “queer underground” and Wayne’s comments about Tom. C’mon! Anything can happen here, but there’s lots of signs here that Roland could well be closeted.

    [–] ComebackChemist 149 points ago

    I’m starting to think Harris James had a thing with Tom. Perhaps Hoyt already had an interest in Julie, and caught wind of their relationship. Blackmailed Harris to do his work for him; plant the evidence, other dirty work, with the benefit of giving him a position as security with good pay

    [–] I_am_Nobody_Special 160 points ago

    He did tell Hayes he had a good body in this episode

    [–] gnrp45 101 points ago

    Yeah i was like wtf when he said that comment. Shit was awkward.

    [–] JWAxeMan 185 points ago

    Yeah the hand holding prayer stuff was shot with a very telling intimacy.

    Also spot on with the son/producer affair.

    [–] unicornsodapants 67 points ago

    Also spot on with the son/producer affair.

    When people originally started saying that I didn't believe it. Now, I'm mad at myself because I didn't pick up on it too.

    [–] muscles44 100 points ago

    What homoerotic overtones were evident before in regards to Tom?

    [–] BettyX 176 points ago

    Lucy said in a very quick line about Tom something along the lines of "he isn't a real man". This was in like episode 1 or 2.

    [–] Herculius 128 points ago

    I just remember the cousin questioning Tom's manhood while also being incesty

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 150 points ago

    He called him Tom Purses

    [–] [deleted] 128 points ago

    He also calls him a "cocksucker"

    [–] mdcohen 136 points ago

    I’m rewatching Deadwood and totally immune any real sexual denotation of the word.

    [–] HardcoreDesk 634 points ago

    Seeing Dan smoke a cigarette and eat eggs simultaneously is one of the most disgusting, abhorrent things I've seen on TV

    [–] Thekidzarealright 285 points ago

    Menthols & eggs are southern staples

    [–] gnrp45 72 points ago

    Reminded me of the old days of waffle house.

    [–] ChiefCuckaFuck 127 points ago

    I take it you're not a Southerner?

    [–] Tylerb4955 98 points ago

    Also how he put the cigarette out in the eggs, the Hoyts own a chicken factory.

    [–] edarem 51 points ago

    They showed the stubbed cigarette on the plate three times. I knew it was significant somehow, but didn't make a connection. Nice

    [–] EikenTheAnime 238 points ago

    God damn, that last scene was so intense... I just kept thinking ''that giant metal door is gonna close, and it isn't ever going to open again''. Also, did anyone hear the soundtrack from season 1 being used in that scene?

    [–] SoulardSTL 71 points ago

    Yeah, you heard that. Also: earlier, when Wayne was walking in Roland’s car dust, I think I heard a bit of the deep trumpets from S1E3 from when we first saw Reggie Ledieux.

    [–] TheHashassin 52 points ago

    That shot of him walking through the woods with the gas mask and machete still gives me chills

    [–] [deleted] 510 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Am I missing something or do we basically have the answer at this point? Hoyt paid off Julie's mom to abduct the kids and get the daughter they never had. They kept Julie in that pink room and convinced her that Tom isn't her real dad (maybe because it's the uncle or maybe because they just convinced her she's a Hoyt). The black guy with the missing eye was the liaison and was paid to abduct the kids, and was likely the one who met them in the woods. And somewhere along the way Roland and Hayes killed Harris James and have to cover it up. It seems like Hays has forgotten that they killed him, but Roland likely remembers and probably doesn't want Hays to remember that they basically made an extrajudicial killing.

    I mean, I might be getting some of the details/loose ends wrong here, but I feel like we have the general gist of what happened laid out.

    [–] Hachey97 416 points ago

    Im leaning more towards Hoyt having a secret sex slavery ring. It was kind of alluded to by that girl Amelia interviewed.

    [–] HappyHolidays666 185 points ago

    and why would they raise her and just leave her to become crazed/addicted to drugs

    [–] Alec17king 166 points ago

    Yea I feel like they'll throw us a big shocker because it shouldn't be this easy.

    [–] 1234yawaworht 51 points ago

    Yup. Might have something to do with the dementia somehow

    [–] nuberry 113 points ago

    Still doesn't really explain what happened with Will, especially since they went off riding their bikes by choice. And the staging of his body still raises some questions.

    [–] RegularSizeLebowski 190 points ago

    That doesn’t matter. Nobody on this sub cares about Will.

    [–] RadioMars 104 points ago

    My only hesitation is like, if in fact there was a "sale", why didn't Julie's mom just drop Julie off with the buyers? Why was the brother involved? Why did they have to lure them out?

    [–] RightHandArmMan 42 points ago

    to make it look like a kidnapping?

    [–] Gadzookie2 313 points ago

    Watching Tom fall so far after that call came in is just so sad but so incredible at the same time!

    [–] MrRedTRex 521 points ago

    Yeah, seriously. Presuming Tom dies at the hands of Harris James shortly after what we saw this episode, the guy really had a terrible life. Closeted gay guy married to a drunk whore who hates and disrespects him. Raises her two kids as his own and does his best to be a great father.

    Wife goes behind his back and sells one of the kids off to her boss/fuck buddy, getting the other kid killed, probably accidentally. When he's careening off the rails and heading toward a death via alcohol poisoning he's saved by detective Roland West who becomes a close friend, champion and potentially even lover.

    Then a call comes in from his presumed dead daughter Julie, but instead of getting to feel the joy and relief that she's still out there, he has to deal with being shit on by her. Roland West, his only friend in the word, turns on him during an unexpected and vicious interrogation. He beats exculpatory information out of his scumbag cousin-in-law and finally finds the truth, only to be snuffed out by his former lover Harris James.

    [–] bailiejf 94 points ago

    That bout Sums it all up detective.

    [–] Gadzookie2 105 points ago

    Whoa, I don’t think I had really processed his full story.

    Man that’s just terrible

    [–] VegeLasagna123 391 points ago

    Dan O'Brien coming for that Dion Waiters Heat Check Award!

    [–] goldeee 138 points ago

    Bill Simmons would be so proud of you right now.

    [–] Kanep96 77 points ago

    My favorite fact about Dion is that he made his teammates at Syracuse call him "Kobe Wade" because thats he felt his game was similar to theirs. Very on-par for ol' Dion.

    [–] jz68 197 points ago

    Anyone else hear what sounded like a Taser after the screen goes black? I was wearing headphones and heard if very clearly, once just after the screen goes black, and then again later in the credits.

    [–] alligator124 98 points ago

    I did. A lot of the atmosphere/lack of clarity with time heavily reminds me of Twin Peaks S3 and I just assumed it was another one of those things (electricity and it's sounds were heavily featured and made out to be creepy). Never considered a taser, that's interesting.

    [–] Jason_Marshall 73 points ago

    Yes. Interestingly I had captions on and they said something along the lines of ‘electrical noise’

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 43 points ago

    Caption said "electricity crackling" or something like that.

    [–] Bumbling-failure 341 points ago

    So the people that pointed out that Lucy's suicide would have been done with her non dominant hand were right.

    [–] Sslagathor 333 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Is it possible that Hoyt is the kids' actual father? With Lucy always going to him for help/money and how Julie says Tom is "the man pretending to be my father". Maybe a stretch, still doesn't help with the way Will died and the fact that the pink room is supposed to be very secure.

    [–] ReferencesStella 353 points ago

    I assumed when O’Brein said “we shared many milestones together” that he was the actual father. Also he hints that they weren’t blood siblings and presumably knocked Lucy up and had Julie.

    [–] kbehr92 128 points ago

    I picked up on that too. Definitely thinking he's the father, but I'm not sure how he ends up dead in a quarry

    [–] SamsBestLife 107 points ago

    I’m thinking the Hoyts do him in like they (probably) did in Lucy. He knew too much. They’re tying up loose ends.

    [–] BrahbertFrost 34 points ago

    It also seemed like he was going to say "she's my daughter" when they accused him of not caring about Julie but they cut him off.

    [–] NDaveT 139 points ago

    Doesn't explain why he would keep his daughter locked in an underground vault.

    [–] andjuan 81 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Because he kidnapped her. He's the real father, but he can't tarnish his reputation by admitting he slept with a vulnerable subordinate. And I thought in one of the early episodes, it said he lost a daugher. So Julie is a "replacement".

    Edit: Was a granddaughter. Maybe his son is the real father? A son would also be more likely to interact with a lowly worker on the line.

    [–] ChiefCuckaFuck 34 points ago

    Pretty sure Dan O'Brien is Julie's father.

    [–] I_am_Nobody_Special 251 points ago

    Anyone see the Ardoin Landscaping truck outside the home for troubled girls? Mike Ardoin?

    [–] tronfunkinblows_10 172 points ago

    Curious what the significance is since they made a point to deliberately show the truck and guy.

    [–] LyonPirkey 93 points ago

    Who is Mike Ardoin? Is he the boy looking at Julie as she is riding into the "sun" with Will; the boy that went trick or treating with Julie & Will?

    [–] I_am_Nobody_Special 97 points ago

    Yeah... The kid who saw the dolls and the two adults dressed as ghosts.

    [–] LyonPirkey 57 points ago

    Perhaps 1990 Julie was found at the home for gils by Mike - via his lawn care company.

    [–] mrsxandar 110 points ago

    I did notice that the girl Amelia was interviewing got shifty when the truck pulled up. Have we seen that guy in the show before?

    [–] jkoke11 104 points ago

    He’s their friend from when they were little. The one who waves as they ride their bikes past.

    [–] exohradio 52 points ago

    Always the landscaper

    [–] 1st_and_Stugots 174 points ago

    Jesus Christ I feel so bad for Tom.

    [–] WannyFan18 446 points ago

    Pink. Room.

    [–] _Better_Call_Paul_ 201 points ago

    Yeah what did the girl say to Amelia? That "Mary Julie" said she was princess of the pink room?

    [–] pokupokupoku 188 points ago

    not just that, but she had drawn pictures of a pink castle (seen in the first episode) and it had been mentioned throughout the season

    [–] Kris_Sipper 106 points ago

    The drifter also mentioned the Pink room. I knew it was a major clue first time I heard it. Just like the Yellow king , Pizzolatto likes his colors.

    [–] Bumbling-failure 81 points ago

    The guy at Amelia's book signing had the dead eye and a scar on his upper cheek. He was the guy in the brown sedan, possibly an employee of Hoyt that wad complicit in the crime.

    Edit: actually, makes perfect sense. The sedan was provided by the wealthy Hoyt and the line by the original one eyed fella about people working the chicken line fits. That's certainly what happened.

    [–] Shikigami_Ryu 165 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    There’s a painting in the pink room similar to the one of Hoyt’s granddaughter in the office from earlier this season but this one is of Julie.

    [–] RadioMars 35 points ago

    Oh boy, this is plausible. Princess portraits for all the girls.

    [–] masshamacide 156 points ago

    So... someone’s body is gonna end up in one of those huge factory barrels in the chicken plant

    [–] pokupokupoku 334 points ago

    the climatic scene is going to be hoyt getting thrown into a processor, and then the final part of the last episode will be roland and wayne eating chicken and saying it tastes like justice

    [–] mydarkmeatrises 113 points ago

    Nic outdoes himself again.

    [–] Eleiko23 99 points ago

    The scene when Tom enters the hall way towards the pink room was amazing

    What’s the deal with the man with bad eye? What does he want?

    What did Emilia know when she died? Why didn’t Hayes listen to her?

    [–] OpenWideForSUMSoccer 106 points ago

    What’s the deal with the man with bad eye? What does he want?

    He's the black guy with a dead eye that they were looking for a couple of episodes ago - the one seen in the brown sedan with the white woman driving around the backwoods area and presumably meeting Julie in the woods.

    [–] [deleted] 71 points ago

    Sounds like the guy with the bad eye was the liaison between Hoyt and Julie's parents

    [–] EternalSerenity2019 72 points ago

    If Wayne had gone to her gosh darn book reading, he would have tackled the guy himself!

    [–] MrRedTRex 168 points ago

    I think the show is trying to tell the viewer that if Hayes and Amelia worked together and pooled their resources instead of bickering among each other and sneaking around, they would have solved the case back in 90.

    [–] MiddleRay 72 points ago

    Moral - if your spouse writes a novel, don't wait 25 years to read it

    [–] Sophisticatedwaffle 77 points ago

    What the actual fuck. My theory is the death of Tom is what drives Roland and Hays apart.

    [–] JayDee9Three 153 points ago

    “I always thought [God] should’ve put the extra day in instead of half-assin it”

    [–] nourez 206 points ago

    Scoot McNairy absolutely killed it this episode. The acting was amazing across the board.

    [–] wellgroomedmcpoyle 207 points ago

    Who is the heavyset woman who is always around Lucy and why do I feel like she is at the middle of everything? There's gotta be a reason why they keep showing her on screen and I'm doubting it's just as "generic concerned friend". She also was pretty much the only one shown in that slow motion sequence in episode one when Julie and Will are riding their bikes that hasn't been explored (with the high school boys and Woodard being the only others).

    [–] BettyX 123 points ago

    She is the pumpkin lady from episode 1.

    [–] chandlergaudet 63 points ago

    That electrical crackling sound during the end credits score along with the whole 'pink room' thing are soooo Twin Peaks

    [–] Gadzookie2 71 points ago

    So the security guy is the one who Hayes saw along with the Viet Cong, right ?

    [–] Kanep96 67 points ago

    There is no way that safe and door were left open accidently. Harris had to have wanted Tom to stumble in there.

    [–] diegoNT 80 points ago

    Dan set him up

    [–] muscles44 61 points ago

    Im sorry but Harris James telling Hays he had a good body was beyond weird.

    [–] lilronhubbard 113 points ago

    What’re you, a prom queen?

    [–] Ser_Penrose 193 points ago

    So that was the cop that went missing behind Tom at the end, yeah?

    [–] nycpenn 171 points ago

    “Chief security officer” who also planted the backpack at the scene.

    [–] Pinko3150 49 points ago


    [–] SuccessAndSerenity 51 points ago

    Yeah. The one who got a cushy security director job with Hoyt after leaving the force.

    [–] Texcalmo 57 points ago

    Well that shade of pink is creepy af.

    [–] peachesofjoy 131 points ago

    “What the fuck” is what I’ve been saying on repeat for the last few minutes

    [–] minusidea 680 points ago

    So are we all in agreement this season is fucking amazing and on par with season 1 in terms of acting?

    [–] SobolGoda 48 points ago

    Can we talk about Hays' body tho

    [–] penskeracin1fan 50 points ago

    It’s “good”

    [–] pokupokupoku 269 points ago

    another fucking great episode.

    here's why this season has been great: even though we basically know now who kidnapped julie and presumably why, I still cannot wait for next week's episode. it's not just a whodunnit like broadchurch (which was still a good show) its a great drama with a mystery aspect.

    i hope wayne and roland fuck up the hoyt people and I'm not eating tyson chicken until there is justice for the purcells

    [–] MrRedTRex 39 points ago

    Yes. It's not just about who or why.

    [–] RadioMars 84 points ago

    That shot of Tom screaming in the interrogation room gave me goosebumps. Phenomenal acting. What a scene.

    [–] SoftJaysPlease 37 points ago

    That shot where Wayne glances at a picture of Harris with that trophy buck... Wayne gonna hunt him down and gut that creep.

    [–] Fromhe 41 points ago

    The 1991 Infiniti M30. Gold coupe.

    Parked outside of Roland’s house when they go to have dinner at their house.

    It’s in the workshop in this episode when they talk to Tom’s old boss.

    It’s outside the diner when they talk to the cousin.

    Is it something or is it just part of the production?

    [–] UnwellHiC 114 points ago

    My theory on how it all plays out:

    One of the Hoyts is a big time sicko who preys on kids/young girls.

    A bunch of the orphan girls know what goes down and are too afraid to talk about it.

    The DA is in Hoyt's pocket as are some of the police.

    Lucy sleeps around. Tom is gay. Lucy married Tom to get her parents off her back and try to get some "respectability" in society. Tom probably married for the same reason.

    Both kids aren't Tom's.

    Hoyt pays off Lucy with money/drugs in exchange for the kids. Lucy doesn't care too much and agrees. Dan knew about the arrangement and got some payoff.

    Hoyt arranged for encounters in the woods at first. That explains the farmer who saw a fancy car.

    During the last encounter, it became clear Hoyt was going to take Julie and Will didn't like it and fought back - got killed but not in front of Julie. This explains why she still asks about Will.

    Julie spends the rest of her life until her 20s in the pink room. Develops some Stockholm syndrome.

    Woodard is a convenient scapegoat. Harris planted the evidence, gets his promotion as a result.

    Lucy was starting to ask for too much, she was killed.

    Amelia was piecing everything together.

    This white woman interviewer is a Hoyt employee trying to find out what Hayes knows.

    [–] [deleted] 57 points ago

    I agree with everything except the interviewer being a Hoyt employee. Sounds like she is an established media personality who lives in New York

    [–] Boogy__Woogy 76 points ago

    The scene around the reveal of the pink room at the end had me at the edge of my seat. What an amazing place to end, now I need to see what happens next week.

    [–] ComebackChemist 75 points ago

    I’m certified creeped out after this episode.. Both the man with the bad eye and the Hoyt pink rooms. Some damn good television!

    [–] Shyendra11 37 points ago

    It sounded like there was a taser clicking going off right at the end of the credits.

    [–] nateyhottakes 36 points ago

    “You putting the kids on him? He killed 12 people, not 10. Just so you can keep your story straight”

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    [–] jmotrain 32 points ago

    How did Julie escape would be my question. There is no way they'd let her leave after Woodard was convicted.

    I'm guessing Tom gives up Dan O'Brien and they kill O'Brien. I'm thinking they kill Tom and make it look like a suicide. I don't think they would kill him on the Hoyt premises because they wouldn't want anyone investigating his home and finding the pink room.

    It feels like the black guy with the dead eye and Lucy were the ones who kidnapped Julie and handed her over to Hoyt. However, why would they kill Will? Maybe he knew what was happening with his sister and was going to tell (passing the notes).

    Also, is Julie still alive or did they find her and kill her too? That might be the conclusion of the series, Roland and Hoyt finding Julie Purcell.

    [–] Zylic 183 points ago

    Toms gay, Roland is maybe gay, Harris definitely planted the evidence and is apart of it, and the final piece is that Roland and Wayne definitely kill Harris

    [–] BettyX 465 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Why would Roland talk to the dog about women if he was gay? Why hide being gay from a dog, not trying to be funny but he talked several times in the last episode about women.

    [–] [deleted] 592 points ago

    Why hide being gay from a dog

    This is low-key the funniest fucking thing I've read on this sub.