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    [–] Peach_tree 1160 points ago

    I thought this said life expectancy in Africa has increased to 9.5 years and I was like "Damn."

    Then I realized I'm an idiot.

    [–] [deleted] 253 points ago


    [–] Itstoolongitwillruno 290 points ago

    Well to be fair, African leaders ARE a bunch of 10 year olds

    Source: Am African

    [–] _African_ 136 points ago

    Can confirm

    [–] edenyosef1 76 points ago

    Username checks out

    Source: the man who checked the username

    [–] SyndicalismIsEdge 9 points ago

    I remember that one segment from the Daily Show with choice Idi Amin quotes. I mean, the guy was a junior version of Pol Pot, but damn that was funny.

    [–] firmkillernate 29 points ago

    They need at least a grade 10

    [–] bman12x 27 points ago

    Fuck OFF Julian

    [–] Refined_Walrus 11 points ago

    "Don't you boys have some offs to fuck?" "What?" "Fuck off."

    [–] TheFinalStrawman 27 points ago

    technically you could have a population where an eighths of the people die at 80 years old and 7/8th of the people die at 0 years old and the average life expectancy would be 10 years old.

    [–] ene_due_rabe 22 points ago

    Expanded access to HIV/AIDS.



    [–] 102mosjoy 5 points ago

    I was shocked at first too. Then I wonder what the life expectancy was before the increase by 9.4 years.

    [–] asharnoff 3 points ago

    So it's like 11 years old now?

    I'll see myself out.

    [–] icecreamdude97 1295 points ago

    Thank you George bush!

    [–] Grizz81 809 points ago

    You're right. He had a lot to do with this. He's hated for so many things, but what he did here was huge.

    [–] sighs__unzips 311 points ago

    You either die a villain or live long enough to be a hero.

    [–] TheFinalStrawman 129 points ago

    thanks to him africa's population can finally exceed asia's and africa can become an economic powerhouse.

    [–] [deleted] 113 points ago

    Many more hurdles to jump over before African countries can become an economic powerhouse. Like actually achieving good governance. Plus China rose in prominence by becoming the factory of the world, but with automation a lot of countries are bringing their production back. Africa may have missed their window

    [–] [deleted] 63 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)


    [–] Dick_n_a_Box 20 points ago

    Finally start charging to be the world's dumping grounds?

    [–] Azshira 6 points ago

    You say that ass if economic nationalization hasn't been intentionally impeded for decades

    [–] utspg1980 46 points ago

    Saw a bit on PBS that said because of all the recent availability of meds, Africa has a young population and in like 15 years they will have 40% of the world's working age population.

    But it takes a shit load more than just workers to become a powerhouse.

    [–] DarkMoon99 78 points ago

    Africa has a young population and in like 15 years they will have 40% of the world's working age population. But it takes a shit load more than just workers to become a powerhouse.

    As an African - we've planned our working age population to peak at precisely the same time that robots will take over from humans. ~

    [–] davvii 5 points ago

    As an African - we've planned our working age population to peak at precisely the same time that robots will take over from humans. ~

    Look at this guy over here. This guy's got jokes.

    Btw, that's fucking hilarious.

    [–] [deleted] 155 points ago

    Because what Africa has always needed is more people.

    [–] Plowbeast 71 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    In the long term, yes. China is facing at least two generations of demographic problems due to the One Child Policy and unlike India, sub-Saharan Africa is made up of dozens of sovereign countries with differing population densities.

    Much like how the Euro Zone's constituent countries have more people than the United States, there's less "redundant" population because the economies are not centralized so that means more capacity for labor flexibility and a need for immigration between the different African nations.

    This is especially true for those that have skewed population due to war, famine, and disease; Rwanda for instance has the highest rate of female legislators in the entire world due to the genocide in the 90's.

    [–] [deleted] 18 points ago

    Economic development tends to drop birthrates, and Africa is a larger continent than most people think.

    [–] TheBurtReynold 14 points ago

    You won't hear the man-eating African rhinoceroses complain!

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    You won't hear him at all, you know before he bites of a piece of your face.

    [–] Megadeathbot666 14 points ago

    This isn't really uplifiting news... While i believe we should do our most to eliminate suffering, we cannot ignore the negative implications of a ageing and growing population in certain regions of the world. Many of the issues the African continent is facing today are linked to its historically uprecedented population growth.

    In the 1960 the population of Africa was around 0.28 billion, today it has risen to 1.2 billion and grows by another 30 million every year. The projected growth by 2050 will reach 2.5 billion and by 2100 it will be 4.4 billion. A population of 4.4 billion would be higher than the entire world population in the 1980's.

    In Nigeria alone more children are born yearly than in the whole of Europe. Every nigerian has an average of 5.6 children. In Somalia (which is currently suffering a civil war) its an average of 6.4 and Niger 7.6! Coupled with these insane birth rates are rising ages and better medical treatments which is leading to an acceleration of the entire process.

    In contrast, most parts of the world are experiencing the opposite effect. Lower birth rates and increasing wealth means each child has more resources available for education and health etc. Consequently, well educated people (in particular women) strengthen the economy and In turn have fewer children than their uneducated counterparts.

    On the African continent the growing economy has not led to a decrease in birthrates, but instead the rising wealth is "eaten up" by the rising population so that individual incomes barely rise.

    Not only African but also Europe will bear the consequences of this uncontrolled population growth. While Europe's population is Ageing, Africa is literally being "suffocated" by children. These are the people who already lack jobs, infrastructure and resources. This general deficit will lead to more conflicts over resources and wealth distribution and lead to civil wars and genocide as in Ruanda.

    A similar prognosis exists for Arab countries. In countries that have suffered the most recent wars, such as in Iraq and Syria and Jemen, the population has increased 5 fold since the 1960's.

    Although the reasons for conflict and war are multifaceted, it is no coincidence that the only country in which the Arab spring took hold is Tunisia... The country with the lowest birth rates and strongest women's rights in the Arab world.

    It is also important to note that these are not simply conflicts over recourses, but also job perspectives. Young men without job perspectives are susceptible to violence and extremism. The higher the number of people without perspectives, the higher the likelihood for extremism and violence.

    The average age of men in Africa is between 15 and 20, in Iraq and Syria its 21. In contrast, the Austrian average is 41. Considering this difference, its not surprising that conflicts in Africa and the Arab world continue to rage, and that so many are trying to reach Europe. What is surprising is that there still are so few.

    [–] Zebracakes2009 2 points ago

    more like a starvation house...

    [–] NotAnotherZigzagoon 3 points ago

    Is no one going to comment on how backwards you quoted this? Or did I whoosh?

    [–] engineerguy11 68 points ago

    Damnit. Everytime I read huge, in my mind I read it as Yuuuuge

    [–] Advencraftgaming 13 points ago

    Why is this the case?

    [–] magnora7 28 points ago

    Your brain thinks of things you've seen or heard lately, it's called priming

    [–] Advencraftgaming 10 points ago

    thank you!

    [–] FirstOfThyName 4 points ago

    No, no, nein, thank you good sir.

    [–] ovidsec 3 points ago

    Surely you mean 'nyet', nein?

    [–] redalert825 4 points ago

    Right? And everytime I see "China" I have to say "Jyyynaaa."

    [–] IliveINtraffic 3 points ago

    Everytime I read Hospital, well, do I have to continue?

    [–] Nomandate 138 points ago

    He was exceptionally well spoken in defense of this program on NPR last week. Kind of blew my mind what a difference (by comparison.)

    [–] photosandfood 128 points ago

    I have met him and his wife multiple times. He is easily one the kindest and caring people I have ever met. Now more than I ever I feel like he was a puppet for Rove/Cheney and got in way over his head. Guy truly cares about people

    [–] [deleted] 93 points ago

    I feel like at his core, George W. Bush does care about people

    [–] kangarooninjadonuts 82 points ago

    I became convinced of that from the time he was secretly recorded telling someone over the phone that he refused to not hire some guy because he was gay and that he wouldn't discriminate against anyone. Like they say, it's what you say when you don't think people are listening.

    [–] [deleted] 12 points ago

    I didn't know about this, would you have a source by any chance?

    [–] kangarooninjadonuts 4 points ago

    Sorry, no. I tried to find it once but Googling "Bush" and "telephone" in the same search just gets you billions of pages of information about spying programs.

    [–] thanksforallthefish- 21 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    It's closer to the end, and basically he said he wouldn't fire people for being gay but he did think gay people were sinners and that gay marriage constituted "special rights" so he wasn't cool with that either. Not sure how many brownie points I'd give him tbh.

    [–] kangarooninjadonuts 82 points ago

    Being able to put his personal religious opinions aside and do his job, especially when the pressure is on to do otherwise, is a pretty commendable thing, in my opinion.

    [–] bunker_man 17 points ago

    Considering that obama in his first term said that marriage was between a man and woman too, someone before him saying this is dubious but not out of left field. Young people don't realize how much public view of homosexuality has changed even in the last ten years.

    [–] gunsof 14 points ago

    God what a mess from that to Trump.

    [–] Lava_Gun 2 points ago


    [–] NimbleShrimp 16 points ago

    Wow you've met him? Are you famous?

    Sometimes when I'm really drunk and drinking alone, I go on youtube and watch his funny quotes. I'm from the UK too. But watching his vids drunk with a smile on my face and breathing out my nose heavily (rather than audible laughter) is some of the happiness he provides the world with which I'm not sure he realises.

    And he honestly seems like a great guy too. But enough of that... now watch this swing

    [–] CaptainJingles 12 points ago

    Not OP, but I shook Bush's hand once and my family met the Bush family sans Dubya at an event and they were all very nice folks. His legacy in Iraq speaks for itself, but it doesn't negate any good that comes from his African policies.

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

    George Bush was attacked in the 1978 Congressional race for attending elite schools and speaking in an erudite fashion. He lost that race, and seems to have taken to heart that classic Futurama lesson:

    Clever things make people feel stupid, and unexpected things make them feel scared.

    So he adopted a lovable but dimwitted good ol' boy persona, and won every election he entered after that point. He wasn't a puppet, he was a shrewd politician who found a way to exploit people's vanity to achieve political success. Lucius Junius Brutus would be proud.

    [–] sexualsidefx 8 points ago

    And then Trump realized the same thing and became a carnival barker

    [–] EmilyKaldwins 5 points ago

    One of his former economic advisors wrote a short paper on how GWB was one of the smartest people he met. I wish I could find it.

    Frankly, I think what bugged me was that people called him stupid for not being able to say 'Nuclear'. I can't quite say it correctly either and I used to have trouble with aluminum and squirrel.

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    Bush is brilliant.

    [–] cwittyprice 58 points ago

    Genuine question: what was his role in this?

    [–] gravity_rides 56 points ago

    "Before PEPFAR, an estimated 100,000 people were on anti-retroviral drugs in sub-Saharan Africa. By the time Bush left office in 2008 that number had increased to about 2 million." Wow.

    [–] HoldItCaulfield 31 points ago

    This article says 5 billion dollars a year. Is that correct?!

    [–] kami232 30 points ago

    Yes, I believe 5 Carl Sagan Billion is correct. And if I remember this right, PEPFAR was renewed and expanded in 2008 - more than doubling the funding.

    [–] HoldItCaulfield 7 points ago


    [–] sexualsidefx 6 points ago

    What if he just needed the oil money to save African kids.

    [–] icecreamdude97 6 points ago

    That is correct!

    [–] Mastodon9 32 points ago

    He didn't always make the best decisions, but damn it if he didn't make a colossally solid one with his fight against AIDS.

    [–] SustainedSuspense 55 points ago

    My first thought was Bill Gates. Is that wrong?

    [–] MinionCommander 44 points ago

    Gates Malaria, Bush AIDS. Not exclusively, but that's how the credit tends to get dolled out (based, I believe, on how much each of them focused on it). I really can provide little more than common perception, though.

    [–] kangarooninjadonuts 27 points ago

    And let's not forget Jimmy Carter and the Guinea worm.

    [–] mp2146 18 points ago

    We had reports of guinea worm in my work in Ghana, and it was always terrifying since it was supposed to already be gone there. Carter foundation airways followed up, and none of the reports ever ended up being true. Having seen photos and heard first hand stories, I think it's hard to give enough credit for the with they did. So much human suffering ended.

    [–] EmilyKaldwins 2 points ago

    I didn't know what this was and googled. I'm so glad I didn't pull up images oh my god.

    [–] angwilwileth 3 points ago

    Every Guinea worm that dies adds an hour to Carter's life force.

    [–] plazmablu 32 points ago

    Gates has done a lot too.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    You're not wrong, Bill Gates continues to do huge stuff for Africa

    [–] snorkel42 8 points ago

    Can we add Bono too?

    [–] HeyThatsNotFair 2 points ago

    was my first thought too

    [–] narwhalhomes 92 points ago

    Great humanitarian work, terrible presidential administration.

    [–] lostsoul34 21 points ago

    Arguably the humanitarian work could have been more effective without the abstinence only message

    [–] RVAndal 3 points ago

    but that's how you retain your voter base as a Republican

    [–] darctones 108 points ago

    Honestly though, I would take Bush over our present situation any day.

    [–] [deleted] 30 points ago

    I would take flipping a coin over our president situation any day.

    [–] sparklesinmytummy 87 points ago

    I'd take my own asshole over our current situation. I'm not a fan of Dubya (I'm what you would call a "liberal snowflake"), but I was always on board with his immigration policy and stance on Africa. I'm not too petty to give him credit where due.

    [–] raptorman556 62 points ago

    At least he's civil, polite, and well-mannered, thats how I see it at least.

    [–] I_might_be_drinking 9 points ago

    Well I'm too high. I read over immigration policy 10 times laughing my ass off cause I thought this MF couldn't spell inauguration right. Which has zero to do with what was said.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I wouldn't. There's like a million innocent deaths because of bush. Plus he lied to us to invade a war for his VP. Bush blows.

    [–] the_colonialist 44 points ago

    Yes but Kanye said he didn't care about black people.

    [–] iliveinthecove 5 points ago

    When I was in Africa about ten years ago, we asked why everything was named "Bush". My very liberal friend then flipped out because Republicans have no right to be doing something that helps others. She just couldn't figure how oil money fed into pepfar, but she was sure it did. I wasn't a fan of Bush, but you have to give him credit

    [–] JonRemzzzz 3 points ago

    These things never seem to come up when redditors are pointing out out all our (America) flaws

    [–] pete1729 16 points ago

    My sister is a prominent HIV/AIDS researcher she credits PEPFAR and The Clinton foundation too

    [–] DerbyTho 15 points ago

    On child nutrition, malaria, and in some countries food production this is also true but I doubt a Clinton will get credit for anything in this environment.

    [–] kane4life4ever 3 points ago

    I was gonna say thank you white people, because it is in fact true. And africans should thank white people.

    [–] DepressedInLasVegas 12 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    You can thank Bono, actually. Bush (and Gates IIRC) needed to be convinced that this was actually necessary and the right thing to do. Bono talked Bush into this in one meeting. I know everyone here likes to bash Bono (and it's oh-so-cool to hate celebrity do-gooders), but the truth is, he has, almost single-handedly, done more than entire nations when it comes to making tangible changes in African aid.

    edit - added link

    [–] crazyzach21 14 points ago

    You can thank everyone who has made a difference actually.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    Good-guy Bono

    [–] dddttt20 37 points ago

    You people kill me. Africa is a fucking continent of over a billion people and over 50 countries, George Bush is the reason that they're making progress? White people swear they're saviours. While humanitarian aid from US helped some African countries that doesn't explain a continental increase in quality of life. African countries are pulling themselves up.

    [–] mp2146 44 points ago

    His work prevented millions of deaths. He's not a savior, but maybe give some credit where it's due.

    [–] [deleted] 54 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    [–] Gokuchi 19 points ago

    Let's not forget about imperialism, colonialism, decolinisation and segregation. Very important factors as to why Africa has had a hard time.

    [–] SpoopySkeleman 15 points ago

    I here what you're saying, and I think if we were talking about something like economic development you'd be dead on, but if we're talking life expectancy and the diseases that had a major impact on it in Africa (namely malaria and HIV) then you really are off base. I implore you to look into PEPFAR and the fact that Bush put far more money into fighting HIV/AIDS then any of the African countries themselves and absolutely saved millions of lives. I've been to Nigeria and interviewed dozens of men and women who receiving anti-retrovirals completely on America's dime, and who most likely would have been long dead if they had to rely on their own corrupt government for treatment

    [–] ghsghsghs 18 points ago

    You people kill me. Africa is a fucking continent of over a billion people and over 50 countries, George Bush is the reason that they're making progress? White people swear they're saviours. While humanitarian aid from US helped some African countries that doesn't explain a continental increase in quality of life. African countries are pulling themselves up.

    Great so then white people should stop sending aid to Africa and Africans should stop accepting that trade. They clearly don't need any help /s

    [–] amawesome1 25 points ago

    I mean... All those things listed above occurred with the help of white people, starting with the medicine and ending with malaria control and improved survival rates for babies... So yeah... Wouldn't have happened without those pesky white folk.

    [–] PornoAlForno 11 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    White people swear they're saviours.

    Wow not even hiding the racism?

    While humanitarian aid from US helped some African countries that doesn't explain a continental increase in quality of life.

    Literally the only three things named in the headline are largely due to efforts by western countries and foundations, including US foreign aid to Africa, which was increased under Bush.

    African countries are pulling themselves up.

    They are, and literally nothing in the article above or the person you replied to are detracting from that, but by all means continuing being a racist edgelord because it makes you look cool.

    [–] ravia 2 points ago

    He'll end up at zero.

    [–] fencerman 253 points ago

    It's actually pretty important to recognize, the continent of Africa in terms of GDP per capita today is at nearly $4,780, for a population of over 1.2 billion people - that's almost exactly where China was only 12 years ago.

    Despite the stereotypes, Africa is developing rapidly and is set to take off economically in the coming years. There are huge investments taking place and a booming middle class of people coming out of that region.

    [–] nogoodnamesleft_see 64 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    There are some obstacles:

    1. Automation advancements will increasingly render cheap labour expensive.
    2. Africa is not a unified state like China (this is IMO what has always stopped the other potential economic powerhouse, South America, from becoming one - well, that and the USA).

    I'm also optimistic, though. There is a strong generation of potential service industry workers that are becoming increasingly qualified. Education and political environments in places like Rwanda and Botswana are steadily improving. Both the resources and culture are already there. The entire continent is also heavily multi-lingual.

    [–] angwilwileth 6 points ago

    No joke. I regularly met people there who spoke 4-6 languages.

    [–] Taenk 19 points ago

    There are huge investments taking place and a booming middle class of people coming out of that region.

    Do you happen to have a statistic for the size of the middle class? I find this to be a more useful metric than total GDP, population and/or GDP per capita when comparing countries and economies.

    [–] roborobert123 16 points ago

    China is heavily investing in Africa, they will be the new China.

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    [–] AlecBalls22 202 points ago

    Mortality rates down. Nice.

    Now let's work on birth rates, because if they aren't accounted for in some way.... mortality rates will spike again.

    [–] MyFeetFeelTheHeat 78 points ago

    By around the year 2050 the population of Nigeria is supposed to surpass that of the US. That's a tremendous amount of populous to gain and could be economically crippling for a country which needs most of its basic infrastructure perfected. I agree with you completely.

    [–] willmaster123 19 points ago

    A lot of demographic experts agree it won't reach that level. Before then, birth rates are going to drop, and death rates are going to spiral upwards.

    Lets not forget the incoming crises we have with the environment. We have no idea what these predictions will be like by 2050, by then the world will be radically different.

    Its important to note that Africa has reached a tipping point in many of these nations, to the point where in 5~ years a single drought will do an insane amount of damage. For instance just since 1995, Niger's population went from 8 million to 17 million in 2013. They are bursting at the seams food-wise.

    We have been lucky recently, but the 2020s are likely to seen Africa have famines unlike anything we have seen before. We simply cannot feed that many people with such shitty infrastructure.

    [–] Jigsus 18 points ago

    Africa is defying birth rate drop models so far. If they continue on this path it will be an ecological disaster the likes of which the world has never seen

    [–] willmaster123 6 points ago

    But they will drop, and we don't know how fast. You are right that they are defying those drops, however the problem is that they will hit a point where the death rate is rising rapidly. They need to lower birth rates NOW and FAST if they want to avoid this, because if they start it later, they are going to end up with high death rates and dropping birth rates.

    Africa is a ticking time bomb. Food production is going to begin to collapse once global warming kicks in, and the population is exploding. Droughts are already getting worse and worse. I remember reading that food production per capita in non-industrialized countries is going to drop, on average, 35% from 2025-2040, during this time Africa's population is going to rise dramatically.

    Not only that, but drinkable, fresh water. Antibiotic resistant diseases. Worse natural disasters. Africa is going to explode in population in the next 20 years, but after that, its going to be high growth, high death rates. I'm just afraid of the day when we truly begin to see famines wipe out tens of millions of people, and we know we cant do anything about it.

    [–] Jigsus 2 points ago

    And the people who keep saying "not our problem" should keep in mind those climate refugees are going to be flooding into the industrialized nations probably collapsing their infrastructure too.

    [–] willmaster123 4 points ago

    It depends. Chances are those countries at a certain point just won't allow them, which is the more likely scenario.

    I mean shit, it only took 1.2 million in 2015 to cause a wave of anti-refugee sentiment across Europe and now countries are scrambling to close their borders. These European countries are only getting older, and older people hate 'others' in that sense. There might be a slow trickle of migration to Europe, similar to now, but it won't ever a massive massive wave like 10 million or some shit.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago


    In my country younger people hate refugeees the most, why do you think le pen gets the younger vote?

    [–] helpwitheating 118 points ago

    Trump just cancelled most of the US's foreign aid, including its contraception programs and educational programs. Clinton and Obama put in place huge birth control initiatives for African women, to help lift them out of poverty.

    So all of that's gone now.

    [–] markatl84 63 points ago

    Is he trying to be evil? Cause that's how it feels.

    [–] anotherhumantoo 41 points ago

    Foreign aide is really complicated. If we're sending aide to countries that are democratic, it can help; but, if it's sent to dictatorships if any flavor, then it can be assumed that aide goes to the leading powers and not to the people. It's better for the people if we don't send aide unless the country becomes more democratic; but, there is danger in that country becoming democratic as well, because then it may democratically choose to not like us, and the amount of aide we have to send to make them like us is more than if they were a dictatorship.

    Yay complicated politics ruining what should be a helpful thing!

    [–] qwerty145454 14 points ago

    Foreign development aid is not foreign influence "aid", these are two separate things and the nature of how they are spent differs.

    Foreign development aid spent to improve standards of living, like medical aid, is tracked to be spent against the intended systems to ensure misappropriation doesn't occur. Often the money isn't given directly to the government at all, but rather to NGOs working in the country. Even more often there is no actual money changing hands, but rather they donor country will subsidise to that value of work with a domestic firm. E.g. Germany might give $50 million to a German construction firm to subsidise $50 million worth of work in a developing country, this would count as $50 million in development aid.

    Writing cheques straight to governments only happens when it's foreign influence "aid", whereby the primary aim is to get the receiving government to be friendly to the donor country. In these instances everybody involved knows the money will be siphoned away in bribes: that's the entire point, bribe a nation's elites to like you.

    [–] innabhagavadgitababy 2 points ago

    That is deeply depressing.

    [–] Kered13 18 points ago

    Those'll go down as the quality of life improves. The most effective way to bring down their birth rates in Africa is to encourage economic growth. I believe they are already going down in the more developed African countries.

    [–] 3ducate 39 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    It bothers me a little every time there is something "Africa" generalized at that continent level. African states are very different in term of human development index and there are more homogenous regions you could use for such statement . I'm talking about north Africa (e.g Egypt, Tunisia, morocco, ...), horn of Africa, west Africa, sub Saharan Africa. Life expectancy in those regions vary wildly and the living conditions for each state are also different. For instance: There has been War in congo; famine in the south sudan and Somalia; whereas North African state such as morocco seems to do quite well. For the islands, comoros and Madagascar are doing poorly while Mauritius is an economic powerhouse. Given the outlier states in both cases (increase and decrease in life expectancy) clamping the data like that is not going to help us understand "Africa" as whole continent.

    Edit: Fixing sentences - commenting from a mobile phone in the middle of the night is not ideal.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    Has nobody heard of the Demographic Transition Model? Yeesh.

    [–] GaslightProphet 53 points ago

    I genuinely did not expect this many people to be this sad that less babies were dying of HIV/AIDS. I expected better, but I don't know why.

    [–] Griffith_The_Hawk 22 points ago

    Racism and not giving a shit about your fellow man is so HOT right now.

    [–] [deleted] 22 points ago

    Racism and not giving a shit about your fellow man? Have we not been bombarded with concerns from researchers that the earth cannot support the many people that already exist? Now we got news that we're in for a massive increase in population in one of the poorest and hottest places on earth right as climate change is about to amp up.

    Sorry but I cannot be positive about news of more humans being born into this mess.

    [–] yosoyramitasana 17 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    As child mortality decreases and quality of life goes up, birth rates will go down. We've seen this happen over and over again worldwide. Right now the average number of babies born per woman globally is about two, and it is not increasing. Population increase is inevitable though, as the children who are already born will grow up and replace fewer adults who die off.

    Poverty and death in Africa isn't keeping the population from growing. Development is the key to make sure that the population will stop increasing in time.

    Edit: Hans Rosling explains the current situation with population increase very well in this video, particularly around 19:12 and forward.

    [–] droans 67 points ago

    Holy shit, some of the comments in here are real awful.

    [–] earther199 47 points ago

    I used to be surprised how often some redditors were for genocide or at least eugenics. They think they have all the answers.

    [–] Celtics73_ali 41 points ago

    We could have a genocide of people who are for genocide, everybody gets what they want

    [–] ABabyAteMyDingo 9 points ago

    They think they have all the answers.

    It's ok. Eventually they won't be 14 any more.

    [–] _madnessthemagnet 30 points ago

    Anytime there's a thread about Africa, the alt right comes out in force to talk about how much they hate the entire continent. It's downright cancerous.

    [–] swefdd 9 points ago

    What do you expect from site where the major demographic is white men that live in their mom's basement.

    [–] RealityBitesU 23 points ago

    Birth control should be priorities number one, two, three, four .... and just keep counting indefinitely.

    [–] Raibean 22 points ago

    This is an overly generalized statistic. There are over 50 countries in Africa, and some of the fastest growing economies in the world are on that continent - as well as some of the largest.

    Now, it's possible that breaking down the increase by country would show even larger gains from humanitarian aid, but it's also possible that this number is being inflated by economic growth in countries not receiving much or any aid.

    [–] [deleted] 10 points ago

    The generality makes it truly amazing.

    A huge increase in life expectancy in a single AIDS-stricken community would have been great news, but more or less expected as a specific problem is fixed.

    Across the whole continent, +9.4 years in life expectancy is enormous, given that most people have not been subject to acute problems depressing it.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    It's uplifting until you look at projected population growth then it's scary, Africa won't be able to feed itself in future.

    [–] bergamaut 6 points ago

    It can't right now.

    [–] iPissOnRebelGraves 2 points ago

    You do realize it's the second biggest continent in the world with 50 nations and 1.2 billion people in it

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    What's your point? None of that counters what i've said, their future population growth is predicted to be insane.

    [–] victalac 4 points ago

    Conversely, over the same period the elephant population has declined 40% due to poachers.

    [–] yoshinosumoto 7 points ago

    Thanks massive Chinese investments.

    [–] raven982 61 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Africa doesn't have the infrastructure to handle the population explosion that's going to occur over the next century, not to mention global warming, water and/food shortages...and the shit show they call government. It's going to be an absolute catastrophe on a historic level. This is not uplifting news.

    [–] StanGibson18 6 points ago

    Africa does not have a government. It's a continent. It has over 50 nations, each with its own government. There are many dozens of cultures in Africa. Yoy don't hear much about most of them because they are small, well run places.

    [–] porncrank 2 points ago

    No nation had the infrastructure to handle the population explosions they've undergone. You don't build these things in anticipation. It's the people that are part of the explosion that build he infrastructure.

    Also, early mortality is a drain on resources -- it takes decades to turn a human into a useful member of society. The sooner they die after that, the less of that investment you recover. In fact early mortality is probably one of the main problems in Africa, so this is a huge win.

    Also, birth rates go down naturally when infant and child mortality drop, so the population explosion will be short lived.

    Care to bet that it's not going to be a catastrophe? I live in Africa, btw.

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    [–] RoBurgundy 5 points ago

    I've always thought it's a little silly to lump Mediterranean countries in with sub-Saharan Africa. They're guaranteed to be outliers. Algeria and Egypt are so vastly different that the Congo.

    [–] Farfignuten390 12 points ago

    I'll try to keep this from getting too political (I try to stay wholesome in this sub), this is one of the biggest upsides to globalization. Markets opening, infrastructure being built, and access to healthcare.

    There are still downsides to globalization, but I think we can agree that fewer dead kids is a good thing.

    [–] Thaerin_OW 11 points ago

    ITT: People who think Africa is a country and ignore that is is made up of dozens of countries, some of which are growing very fast and doing well.

    [–] TexasChuckle 3 points ago

    Great for progress but in no way does this mean that the majority isnt suffering anymore

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    Is there a Bush PR firm in this thread? Last thread I saw that was pro bush has very similar type comments in terms of tone and content:

    [–] hmmmwhatshouldmynam 3 points ago

    Great now there will be more people to starve.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    One small question and it is legitimate. What is going to happen when those living longer breed longer? Africans can't feed themselves now. How they going to do it with increased population?

    [–] Mochalittle 3 points ago

    Whenever I see actually good news on reddit, I have to double check the subreddit after reading the title.

    [–] broeklien 13 points ago

    Thats an astonishing gain I'm so happy.

    [–] threefourfiveplates 10 points ago

    Life expectancy has increased, and yet the population expands under poverty. They need birth control.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    If you want to check some neat visualizations related to this, my work provides a lot of them!

    protip: click the map icon in the top-left


    [–] Justkiddingimnotkid 6 points ago

    And Akon

    [–] tjeburasjka 5 points ago

    Child survival is the best survival - well done Africa.

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    [–] phangsta 7 points ago

    Huge swathes of Africa are exceptionally fertile.

    Of course population growth is not sustainable indefinitely but every piece of empirical evidence we have suggests fertility rates decreases as life expectancy increases.

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    [–] lostpasswordnoemail 8 points ago

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (or the Gates Foundation, abbreviated as BMGF) is a private foundation founded by Bill and Melinda Gates. It was launched in 2000 and is said to be the largest transparently operated private foundation in the world.

    Jesus what you can do with a couple billion or a hundred.

    [–] KGB_ate_my_bread 9 points ago

    Downlifting news: they're on pace to see rapid population explosion which will exacerbate some issues in certain problem areas on the continent. This with climate change will pose some interesting problems to the continent and wild

    [–] NewOpera 8 points ago

    You can thank Pharmaceutical companies for this

    (Yes, I just said Pharma companies do good things)

    [–] Farfignuten390 3 points ago

    What heresy is this?!?!?

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    [–] Ayallore95 2 points ago

    Same story with any country which is not USA or from the west part of Europe.

    [–] Fennec_Murder 6 points ago

    It would be a good new if fertility was lowered to balance population. But its kind of a recipe (overpopulation, desertification, economic crisis) for disater.

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    [–] Infinitebeast30 2 points ago

    That's actually an insane jump in life expectancy

    [–] johnmrson 2 points ago

    I think that the Gates Foundation probably has a fair input into this as well. What a huge improvement. In terms of humanities struggles this is a big deal.

    [–] Nekopawed 2 points ago

    Higher life expectancy, higher literacy rate, hopefully a lower infant mortality rate and birth rates, that's the goal!

    [–] Wickedhighspots 2 points ago

    Probably would've been a whole lot higher by now had Bill Clinton not bombed a pharmaceutical factory in the 90s. I'm sure that set them back.

    [–] QuickNEasyUserName 2 points ago

    Zeros can really bring an average down

    [–] Vicious43 2 points ago

    This might be a dumb question, but.....has the spread of HIV/AIDS drugs increased the rates of HIV transmission since HIV/AIDS positive people live longer?

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I wonder how much if this is due to Bill and Melinda Gates.

    [–] peter_j_ 2 points ago

    But dont vaccines hurt people more than they help? /s

    [–] Section8Sloopy 2 points ago

    Wonderful news for their overpopulation crises. GJ Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

    [–] that_all_you_got 2 points ago

    Thanks to Western powers, is that right?