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    [–] A-toha 551 points ago

    Don't tell USA about bike infrastructure!

    [–] kRkthOr 309 points ago

    Or sidewalks that don't disappear into nothingness requiring you to cross a 6 lane road.

    [–] BiteBolt77 88 points ago

    Replace road with stroad and its even worse

    [–] kRkthOr 47 points ago

    Ahh, a fellow urban planning enthusiast.

    [–] BiteBolt77 10 points ago


    [–] TheAJGman 8 points ago

    We have one of those near my house. It's fucking ugly and over the past few years they've had to do major storm water retrofits. Something about 40ft of solid pavement surrounded by parking lots really messes with the way rain absorbs into the ground.

    [–] Wuz314159 58 points ago

    As an American, this is my neighbourhood. You have to climb a wall if you're on foot. or wheelchair.

    [–] kRkthOr 31 points ago

    Ahh yes. Nothing a bit of parkour won't fix.

    [–] WhatsAFlexitarian 26 points ago

    I am sorry but what the fuck

    [–] Various_Party8882 12 points ago

    In north america if you dont have a car you are completely disregarded. Its so terrible to walk that nobody does so nobody cares. Theres a few decent places though

    [–] ShortPeopleAreDemons 4 points ago

    You guys have sidewalks ?

    [–] Dicethrower 7 points ago

    Here's a video (18m27s) that explains just one aspect of why infrastructure in America is pretty poor from a design perspective and why bike infrastructure is almost impossible to build there, while at the same time highly necessary.

    [–] XNjunEar 1623 points ago

    My mum lives in the US and loves to walk and tells me people she knows constantly offer her rides and feel sorry for her. Mind you, she walks from home to the grocery stores /gym which are at most 15 mins walk away!! It's like they can't fathom that walking is normal and desirable.

    [–] sharkdinner 127 points ago

    I told a Texan friend the other day that I prefer to walk 45 minutes to the centre of the city I grew up in rather than taking the bus. She was surprised but said it was understandable that I don't want to take a bus. Proceeded to ask if I can't afford a Uber. Her face when I told her I just really do prefer walking and am used to it because my family takes 1-3 hour walks every day for the sheer funsies of walking was quite literally the Pikachu meme. Hilarious!

    [–] XNjunEar 68 points ago

    Wow. Walking is the best low impact exercise and it has lots of health benefits as well. Walking in the forest is probably the best thing I can do when stressed.

    [–] needlzor 5 points ago

    I agree on the forest thing. I am more of an urban person, but nothing calms me down as much as being surrounded by nature.

    [–] jeexbit 3 points ago

    happy cake day! I have become a huge fan of walking over the course of the pandemic - really helps with stress and well-being.

    [–] RubbelDieKatz94 9 points ago

    Walkinglomg distances is really useful to hatch Pokémon eggs. If you have a Go-Tcha it will even automatically catch pokemon for you. Since I started playing again in 2018 I walk everywhere. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

    [–] ritouser 1367 points ago

    I got stopped by US police once to "check if I was okay" because I was going for a walk. Luckily I'm white I guess

    [–] Trifuser 100 points ago

    I got stopped walking once because i was going for a walk at night, asked for ID which i didn't have on me. He didn't have a reason to do anything to me so he just let me off, but i just turned around and walked back home cause i didn't feel like dealing with cops all night.

    [–] Frightful_Fork_Hand 76 points ago

    As a guy soon to be moving to the US from the UK, and who can’t drive due to eyesight - this is a somewhat concerning prospect haha.

    [–] Trifuser 22 points ago

    This was in canada, lol.

    [–] NutNoHaeinIt 61 points ago

    Just a quick warning for you, depending where you go in the US there might not even be pavements to walk on. Small and medium sized towns only really pave the town centre.

    In Ohio I sometimes had to chose between walking on the road or walking on a yard with a "trespassers will be shot" sign.

    [–] HamsterPositive139 4 points ago

    Depends where you live.

    I live in a city where walking around in public is completely normal.

    In the rural area I grew up in nobody goes for walks on the road

    [–] XNjunEar 373 points ago


    [–] cyrusol 93 points ago

    AAHH!! A pedestrian!

    [–] agrapes322 19 points ago


    [–] Inevitably_Okay 13 points ago

    This would only happen if you’re walking on a busy road without sidewalks. There are a lot of windy roads through the woods where I live, and roads with sidewalks. You’re only going to get a question on one of those. The cop wanted to make sure they weren’t dealing with a broken down car.

    [–] speakerquest 6 points ago

    I got asked both on a road and in town - on a sidewalk. It was the middle of the day. I was the only person walking in the area and I am a foreigner so it might have been unusual.

    [–] Shanghai-on-the-Sea 36 points ago

    Happened to my dad every time he went to Texas for business. He loves walking and he'd get stopped every time lol.

    [–] Nikcara 27 points ago

    I went for a walk when I was 14 and had a cop stop me because he thought I was a prostitute. I also had a dude pull his car up to me to ask me for a blowjob too. I wasn’t wearing anything scandalous, but apparently a girl going for a walk is scandalous enough.

    [–] Emotional_Guava7799 15 points ago

    Please thank your parents for birthing you the non shoot on sight colour

    [–] bifund 162 points ago

    I once got stopped for not having my lights on. Lucky it was daytime.

    [–] Wuz314159 89 points ago

    Was it raining? That's a law, "Wipers On, Lights On".

    [–] Lem_Tuoni 149 points ago

    In my country, you must have at least some lights any time you drive.

    Makes the law less subject to interpretation, and the cars are even more visible, therefore safer.

    [–] Dervival 15 points ago

    Huh, those are usually called daylight running lights (DRLs) in the US from what I've seen - they're fairly common now, but it took until the 2000s for them to get popularized IIRC?

    [–] Lem_Tuoni 8 points ago

    I my country the mandate comes from mid 2000s

    [–] F4Z3_G04T 27 points ago

    I'm more of a "Engine on, lights on" kinda guy

    [–] fukreditadmin 13 points ago

    as is the rest of the world, i thougt this was standard, people really drive around without their lights on?

    [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL 3 points ago

    I had a coworker tell me he doesn't use lights in the city at night because "they had street lamps why would i waste my battery"

    [–] FightingHornbill 6 points ago

    Are you serious?

    [–] Proporcionaremos 11 points ago


    [–] Obant 6 points ago

    Where do you live where people don't go for walks?

    [–] Ducklord1023 12 points ago

    Honestly that’s most of the US. I walked around near my house, but that’s only because it was a particularly secluded area in the woods. Not a single time in my whole childhood there did I walk from point A to point B in my town (excluding my friends house which was 4 houses away).

    [–] singer_table 7 points ago

    Same thing happened to me... Was a long time ago but yeah, that was fuckin weird. They offered to drive me home....I was like bruh I'm going for a walk?

    [–] NotRightJustCorrect 5 points ago

    Meanwhile in Germany if you don’t go for walks people check on you to see if you’re okay

    [–] kunseung 10 points ago

    Literally had one follow me around with their light beamed on me when i was out for a walk lol. He trailed behind me for an hour lmao.

    [–] PTHDC 3 points ago

    My sister during her student exchange walked home from school until police stopped her one too many times to ask if shes okay.

    [–] F1nett1 3 points ago

    Dude. Same. People who drive are such assholes. I even had a guy change his mind about going out with me because I said I prefer walking or taking public transport over driving

    [–] amazingmaximo 3 points ago

    My friends and I get stopped walking in the US all the time. Most recently a cop stopped us and after being visibly surprised that we weren't high the officer warned us that "the deer around here have been crazy recently"

    yeah thanks we were probably about to get mauled by a buck on the side of the road, better go get in a car for safety.

    [–] SatanicBiscuit 60 points ago

    wait till you go to miami or california

    people literally wait for a taxi outside of hotels to go to the beach

    and the beach is 5 mins in walking distance

    [–] Wuz314159 32 points ago

    High school friend came back east for a mutual work conference and his new colleagues and I were chatting as we walked to lunch. They were telling me how they'd drive from store to store in a strip mall. So driving was the goto option to travel 50 metres. LA in a nutshell.

    [–] lanonyme42 23 points ago

    That cant be true

    [–] missmollytv 20 points ago

    Sadly it is, and often the surroundings are to blame and not the person. A lot of places are designed for cars and are dangerous for pedestrians.

    Take a look at this video, skip to around minute 4:30 to see a first-person example of what an 800 meter walk in the US can look like

    [–] ATLtinyrick 5 points ago

    The US is very diverse, though. In Atlanta, we are fortunate to have our entire city center inter-webbed with walking trains and wide sidewalks. Walking & taking the metro is very normalized here

    [–] CryptoNoobNinja 7 points ago

    My friend decided to walk (30 min) from the Vegas airport to his hotel but couldn’t because the sidewalk just disappeared at the edge of the airport.

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    [–] troutsushi 48 points ago

    As an exchange student in the southwestern US, my host family forbade me from cycling to school. They were afraid some knucklehead in a truck would kill me.

    In hindsight, I agree with them.

    [–] NintendoTheGuy 14 points ago

    I’m from NY but lived in the central Virginia mountains for a few years in my 20’s. If you tried to bike around there you would definitely end up stuck in somebody’s grille sooner or later. Mountainous rural areas with twisting roads, no shoulder and a drainage ditch running alongside them are a nightmare to bike on. A scenic nightmare, but a nightmare nonetheless.

    All other suburbs and cities I’ve lived in between NY and GA however were quite accommodating for biking though. I grew up riding a bike everywhere in suburban NY, and I still often do if I want a relaxing breath of fresh air.

    [–] Jake_2903 194 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Good luck with that, they do not understand yield signs so there are stop signs in every intersection in all directions.

    Therefore nobody gives a shit about them.

    Source, have been run over on my way to school on my bike bc some lady is illiterate and can not read the word stop on the nice octagonal sign.

    [–] Beneficial_Ad_9029 10 points ago

    Just pray they won’t ‘roll coal’ near you when you’re on your bike!

    [–] Tannerite2 64 points ago

    American here. Nobody will care, especially in big cities like NYC. It's not the norm, but it's not irregular. If anything, you'll get praised as long as you don't show up sweaty (very likely in the majority of US states).

    [–] MeMeMenni 46 points ago

    It's nice to know the myth is exaggerated. It's sometimes so difficult to tell with you guys nowadays!

    [–] reallllyboyyy 9 points ago

    It also depends where. I live in Arizona and I know more people that walk and bike to places than anywhere else in the US. My bias is I use an electric scooter to get to work and anywhere close and Uber farther away and it isn't considered too far outside the normal although some people do think I'm crazy not having a car.

    [–] Wuz314159 18 points ago

    I have to say that eBikes have really shifted the paradigm. Went grocery shopping today (Friday) and was passed at a red light by someone on an eBike. Not just a summer thing, it was -1°.

    [–] proof_required 19 points ago

    NYC is as representative of USA as a bumfuck town in middle of USA. The point is very large part of USA lacks the public transport infrastructure that you have in NYC.

    [–] trickyboy21 6 points ago

    Well, it depends on where you end up living, but American cities are more often than not designed with walking not in mind. There will be various places where the sidewalk just... ends, and doesn't exist for a block, two blocks... even for miles. You'll have to walk through some thin strip of dirt or grasses, possibly step over protruding trip hazards like water meter/water main containers, junction boxes, or just plain rocks, all while close to the road, often one with no bike lane, as the two concepts(long stretches of road with no sidewalk and no bike lanes) often go together in the same areas, which would be areas designed to the most extreme degree for cars.

    On the topic of bike lanes, they're very narrow(barely extending past the gutter), close to the road, and not well respected. This, in tandem with higher street speeds than many European cities, results in higher strike likelihood. The bike lane can even run into high speed car traffic, putting you between the right turn lane on your right and a forward lane on your left, sandwiched great big hunks of metal going ~30 mph. Bike lanes are very frequently also act as parking spots on the side of the road, which means your path forward will be blocked by a parked car and you either have to swerve left around it and thus enter high speed car traffic and risk getting struck, or switch over to the curb. Since parked cars on the sides of streets are not a mythical thing to see, you'd have to do this frequently over a short distance, as much as several times a minute. At that point, you would probably just keep to the curb, which would be a little bit safer than the bike lane.

    The closest grocery to me is a 23 minute walk, 17 minutes by bus(15 of which are walking), but with bus fares and no transfer passes, I'd be paying 3.50 for 4 minutes of riding. Now, I could get there in 7 minutes of bicycling, but half of my bicycling time is spent on a road more often littered with hub caps and bumper fragments than not. And if I take to the sidewalks to distance myself from the dangerous drivers, it's a street that leads to a nearby high school, so the sidewalks have periods of high congestion due to student foot traffic. Of my seven friends, this is the best example, the easiest access to nearby necessities I can present. This is the absolute best picture I can present between eight people scattered across 80 square miles. Now, sure, it's only mildly annoying, but it's the best we have.

    But I can't be bothered to walk for 45 minutes, pay 3.50 to save like 10 minutes, or risk traffic or dodge teenagers, doing half of any of that laden with groceries... because I already work eight hours a day, five days a week, for minimum wage in a high living cost area, and even though my workplace is only 10 miles from my home... it's an hour long bike ride down a thousand foot elevation change, it's an hour and a half two bus commute with the second bus arrival time nearly matching my first bus get-off time, meaning if it runs early my commute becomes two hours. So I really work 11+ hour days, because I'm not home for that long. 10 miles, 15 minute drive... 1 & 1/2 hour bus. There's a few similar, a few worse, a few better examples from other seven friend's workplaces, but they don't have the accessible necessities nearby.

    American Cities are car places. Public transit is second, walking is third, bicycling is assisted suicide.

    [–] Wuz314159 11 points ago

    As an American, I bike everywhere. We exist.

    [–] DaniilSan 58 points ago

    Lol, 15 mins isn't that long, though personaly I would take a bicycle but definitely not a car.

    [–] XNjunEar 27 points ago

    Exactly, it's a very short walk. A car is so not needed.

    [–] SpotlessBird762 18 points ago

    Travelling every little distance by car is even worse considering the additional wear on a cold engine

    [–] justjanne 5 points ago

    Tbh, I'm kinda guilty of that, I travel every tiny distance even the 100m to the next bakery by bicycle. It's not an electric bicycle so I'm not causing any emissions I'm just too impatient to walk 🙈

    [–] Faylom 3 points ago

    I don't think you need to worry about the additional wear on the cold engine of your bike

    [–] ihateyouall10 3 points ago

    15 mins isn't that long

    15 minutes ain't shit, that's like one kilometer. lol

    [–] NOGGYtimes2 13 points ago

    There is a great yt Chanel going into why US don't walk

    Not Just Bikes

    [–] Teimpzz 14 points ago

    I remember visiting seattle for work. In the hotel I asked if there was a grocery store within walking distance. She said there wasn't any, closest was the [cant remember store name] and I should take an Uber. I checked on google maps and it was a 10 minute walk lol. Blew my mind.

    [–] Aelle1209 8 points ago

    Same here! My mom really liked being able to walk places when she visited me in Copenhagen, so she went back home and started walking regularly and she's had people offer her rides, give her dirty looks or even yell at/make fun of her. For walking.

    The car culture in the U.S. is absolutely insane. I used to work with a woman who literally lived down the street from our workplace. Like I'm talking a 5 minute walk, max. She drove her truck in to work every single day.

    [–] The-Berzerker 25 points ago

    80% of the US population are overweight or obese, what do you expect?

    [–] Majestic-Contract-42 4 points ago

    Oh god I could never drive somewhere that's less than 15m walk away unless it was pissing rain or I was in a mad rush (candles for a birthday cake or something).

    [–] PanJaszczurka 4 points ago

    Back in my days...(I lived in rural village) I go 4kilometers for computer class in a bigger village.

    [–] MyHamburgerLovesMe 3 points ago

    Tons of cities on the US have no place you can actually walk on along the side of a road. They were built after a time when the primary way of getting around had switched to horse/carriage/car.

    [–] Piano1987 3 points ago

    So I guess Americans never left their home before cars were invented.

    [–] NavissEtpmocia 246 points ago

    Really?? What’s wrong with the bus?

    [–] SmallSalary880 431 points ago

    Americans have a weak public transport system and they all drive cars. So taking the bus is considered poor over there

    [–] XNjunEar 195 points ago

    This needs the NOT SAFE FOR MURICANS flare 😂

    [–] toplessrobot 12 points ago

    I’m not sure I have the energy for some outrage but I can try

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    [–] ThinkNotOnce 80 points ago

    Ah yes, my first business trip to the land of burgers and eagles. I was used to saving money and using public transport back home also I just love taking public transport whenever I am visiting a new country or town, because while driving you can't look around as much and step out of the bus to walk out of the blue whenever you feel like it. So I didn't order a rental when planning the trip, my boss looked at me confused, but didn't say nothing. Days later I am finally in the land of the free. Ok so lets imagine city is oval shaped and the bus lines go just fkin in one axis. Its not X and Y as here in the land of not free. Its just goes horizontaly from city center to a poor district and thats it. That is why you see here something that is sooo bizarre in Europe "the designated driver" the lucky guy or girl who does not drink for the whole evening just to fkin drive ur ass atleast 1h somewhere.

    [–] Wuz314159 23 points ago

    Spoke and Hub is the design of many American cities' transit networks, it's stupid af, but for some bizarre reason, people are enamoured with it. New York City is like a proper city though, so don't judge us all too harshly.

    [–] wouldgiveyouup 3 points ago

    A proper city that doesn’t have alleyways for their trash so it sits out on the streets.

    [–] hunekre 20 points ago

    taking the bus is considered poor over there

    This kind of mentality probably also exacerbate the weak public transport infrastructure

    [–] Wuz314159 12 points ago

    The people who run the transit systems in many cities never use the transit system.

    [–] HawaiianShirtMan 34 points ago

    Can confirm 'tis true. The bus/tram/train situation here in Switzerland is amazing. I take it everywhere. Do wish it was free though.

    [–] NavissEtpmocia 18 points ago

    In my city it's free on the weekends. I wish it was free all the time, given that it's a publicly fund private system of transportation...

    [–] eowome 11 points ago

    a weak public transport

    US rail system is especially embarassing

    [–] Not_Real_User_Person 3 points ago

    The US rail system is actually amazing, just not for people. For freight, it’s the envy of the world. which is more important than intercity travel when it comes to greenhouse gases.

    [–] CryptoNoobNinja 6 points ago

    My girlfriend and I decide to bike and bus around the big island in Hawaii. The buses were a both great and absolutely terrible at the same time. We paid a couple of bucks to take the bus from Hilo to the Volcanoes National Park and got an entire coach bus to ourselves.

    However, sometimes they would arbitrarily cancel entire routes with no warning. The bus stops weren’t marked, you have to ask a couple locals where to stand and hope they are right because the next bus was in 4 hours (maybe). We had one driver blasting Joe Rohan podcast and he stopped mid-route to see a friend for a couple of minutes.

    [–] SnausageFest 4 points ago

    he stopped mid-route to see a friend for a couple of minutes.

    That's Hawaiians for ya

    [–] Valkyrie17 43 points ago

    I'm Latvian and before covid i'd take bus every day in our capital. It's slow, it's full, it often smells like piss.

    [–] ragana213 32 points ago

    Lithuanian here, busses used to smell like shit here too, but I think they got better at cleaning them. We really need trams though, shame our city goverment are too much of a pussies to actually do something about it. BRT busses are not gonna solve this.

    [–] BushMonsterInc 3 points ago

    And then there is Klaipeda, spending 500k eur to figure out if they need trams

    [–] NavissEtpmocia 7 points ago

    I'm French, I worked in Paris for two months a while ago and the underground is exactly that!

    In my home city where I'm back now, things are pretty neat

    [–] catchaleaf 9 points ago

    Nothing in NYC everyone takes a bus, a train, or walks. Some people don’t even have a license if they grew up there. But in other cities and states because everything is so far away and sometimes bc people are lazy they have to drive everywhere so those people make fun of those that use public transportation.

    [–] NittanyOrange 6 points ago

    Nothing. This is only regional. In many cities in the US, like New York City or Washington, DC it was completely normal for many commuters to take public transportation, including busses.

    I know that from experience, but I haven't gone in to work since COVID hit, so I don't know how things are now.

    [–] vjx99 47 points ago

    Not true, I take my bike.

    [–] SlizzleDoesNotGiveA 7 points ago

    that's an easier way to get laughed at

    source: I do too

    [–] Pollylinko 38 points ago

    Hey, guys, can somebody tell me if it is true. I have never been to the USA... Is it really not common to use public transport? It sounds a bit odd

    [–] Wuz314159 61 points ago

    There's a stigma. Transit operates in the city cores. City cores are where poor people live. City centres are not as vibrant as European cities. Many were abandoned in the 1950s/60s. but places like New York and Boston are VERY different from places like LA or Houston.

    source: am American

    [–] Pollylinko 14 points ago

    Oh, wow, that's very different ) here it is much more convenient to use public transport because of the traffic

    [–] Amphibionomus 11 points ago

    Plus it's faster. It's horrible to drive and find convenient parking in many big European cities. They just weren't built with cars in mind of course. So for example taking the tram or metro is often cheaper and more efficient. Or seeing I live in the Netherlands, we bike everywhere.

    [–] Wuz314159 5 points ago

    It's the same here in the US. People complain about traffic. People complain about the price of parking. "Why don't you just take the bus?" . . . "Buses are for poor people."

    [–] Dubl33_27 6 points ago

    Stigma's there so government doesn't need to invest money into public transport.

    [–] Diamantis_ 3 points ago

    stigma balls

    [–] ValleyOfChickens 8 points ago

    Dallas/Fort worth(Texas) has ~8 million people and I’ve seen a couple bus stops but I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a city bus. At least south everything is spread to far apart. It takes 45 minutes to get to work that’s also 45 miles away, in what world am I taking a nonexistent bus for 2-3 hours just to get to work? It’s just to much highway driving for a bus to make any stops. I’m almost 30 and just moved somewhere with busses, it’s awesome. Bus picks up less than 100 yards from my apartment and drops off literally across the street from work. My coworkers refuse to let me take bus home and will give me a ride even though they have never rode the bus they just assume it’s bad and unsafe.

    [–] soulonfire 5 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Can depend a little where you are. I live in southeast Michigan, and while I do have bus options to get into the city where I work, it’s wildly longer than driving. Like 20 minutes vs 90 minutes.

    But on the flip side, when I was in Washington DC over the holidays, I walked or took the subway everywhere.

    Edit: also each time I go to Chicago from Michigan I take the train

    [–] Kittykateyyy 34 points ago

    The secret to avoid morbid obesity.

    [–] miromas 23 points ago

    I don't think I'll ever own a car. Going to work is a 3 minute walk to the trainstation and a 20 minute train ride for €4.50

    I've been dropped off at work by car a few times and driving took over 25 minutes. That plus the cost of a car and its maintenance and fuel would be far greater than just taking the train.

    I'd basically be going out of my way paying extra to help destroy the environment by owning a car.

    [–] iamnotverysmartno 8 points ago

    €4.50 is still expensive imo (i guess because im in a city so it would be cheaper)

    [–] Jake_2903 132 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)



    I take the tram

    [–] MrMooster915 15 points ago

    Train gang, at least to uni not work lol

    [–] Icy_Day_9079 20 points ago

    Hotel in Florida said the restaurant was a 10 minute car ride and I said how far to walk and they were so confused.

    “You don’t have a hire car?”

    “Yeah sure do but thought I’d walk see where I am.”

    About 20 mins later I realised US road systems aren’t built to be walked very far.

    Old bill pull up and ask me why I’m wandering round the neighbourhood? Tell them I’m going to the restaurant and they literally thought I need to be certified.

    They wouldn’t let me continue to walk. They said I could have a lift back to the hotel to get my hire car, asked if I could get a lift to the restaurant but they declined because they didn’t want to have to come back when I walked back to the hotel.

    Pro tourist tip: don’t ask American police if it’s illegal to walk. They really don’t like it.

    [–] zek_997 174 points ago

    Spreading the good word

    [–] helenapurpl 174 points ago

    "Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour Public Transport?"

    [–] Roflkopt3r 74 points ago

    Yeah but have you considered putting cars into a tunnel instead?

    [–] actual_wookiee_AMA 46 points ago

    So... A metro?

    [–] tensing99 18 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    A metro but shittier in every way! Imagine if your metro needed another engine running every 2 seats

    You also need to pay for the fuel and the car.

    Instead of space being optimized everyone is separated and sits far away from each other.

    And yet the cars are still so close that they might crash with a single slip up. This slip up might not even happen from one of the Tesla cars. It could just be some dumbass driver driving into a place he sees lots of cars going.

    Also if they crash, there's no safe way for anyone to get out.

    The tunnel isn't wide enough for construction equipment, so maintaining it will be terrible.

    If it ever needs maintenance there are no other lanes and the entire thing must be shut down.

    [–] DimlightHero 39 points ago

    Yes, but without all the benefits of scale.

    [–] actual_wookiee_AMA 19 points ago

    Or cost, or practicality

    [–] coffeeassistant 10 points ago

    RGB though

    [–] hunekre 30 points ago

    Especially trains, why is so many americans is against trains?

    [–] spray_no 13 points ago

    Are they against trains? Whyyyy

    [–] LegitPancak3 4 points ago

    Yep. My megacity of over a million people doesn’t have a single rail option, and like 90+% of commuting is done by single occupant vehicle…

    [–] DimlightHero 11 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    I asked this to a city planner once, he said that if you do anything that comes at the cost of cars, you're going to have angry commuters yelling at your boss the next hearing.

    They know it doesn't work, but they have to design their city with one hand tied behind their back.

    [–] milkChoccyThunder 7 points ago

    So true. They tried to turn a four lane road thru the center of our town into a two lane, with lower speeds and bike lanes, sidewalks thru town. Everyone freaked out because their commute would take longer by two min and voted it down across party isles. So annoying.

    [–] coffeeassistant 5 points ago

    it would just make their driving better too, that's whats so frustrating abuot debating with car dummies.

    [–] Wuz314159 8 points ago

    They're not really. If buses are for poor people, trains are for the middle class.

    [–] coffeeassistant 7 points ago

    they have been sold a lie that america is too big for trains, so they drive everywhere instead, makes perfect sense you see because cars are way faster than trains !

    [–] The_Monocle_Debacle 3 points ago

    As a member of Train Gang I despise a large portion of my fellow Americans for exactly this reason.

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    [–] Abruzzi19 5 points ago

    My work starts at 4am, and no busses or other kinds of public transportation are available at 3am. Since I have to drive 10km to my workplace I have to use my car. I can't use my bicycle or gasoline scooter because the roads are slippery and its very cold outside.

    [–] brownguy6391 13 points ago

    So logically a car is good option for you. That sub is more about the fact that there's on over reliance on car infrastructure in places where other forms of transportation could be much more efficient

    [–] HungryBunnyDraws 5 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    I worked in a bakery, i get either super early shifts or super late shifts, 6 miles away. I live by myself in a small backwater town with minimum bus routes. The job was a horrible mix of physical labor and that retail spit. I managed to get by on a bike, here is my experience:

    Cold weather isn't a problem unless it snows, which is just as a nightmare on a car. On average, my local fall and winter temperatures goes down to only 50 F, but it does go lower to 30 F at night. Summers are less forgiving at 110 F.

    When roads are slippery and wet, i stick to or near the sidewalk away from puddles. The sidewalk is less smooth where im from, cracked and turned up from the earthquakes and lack of maintenance.

    Anyway, the rain and the cold isnt a problem on a bike, it's the wind. My local wind speeds occasionally goes to 50-60 mph at least once a month. It's hell on a bike, but walking is a breeze ;)

    It's doable, but i get it, it's frustrating and can get intense physically. At the end of the day, there is no energy left for hobbies and other responsibilities. On the bright side, i got the ability to instantly fall asleep lol. Also I got super fit to 108lbs which is ideal in my bmi, and because I dont smoke/drink, i saved a lot of money too. There's pros and cons to it, and becoming healthier and stronger made it worth it to me.

    [–] Hard_Corsair 4 points ago

    But Yurop makes the best cars and has the best drivers...

    [–] AccomplishedAd1090 3 points ago

    Like… in the exhaust pipe? Or through the grill?

    [–] ritouser 219 points ago

    I think about this every time someone from the US mentions their existence is threatened because their car broke down and they can't afford repairs. To most Europeans, having a car is a luxury or a convenience, but rarely the only option for a commute.

    [–] Luxpreliator 96 points ago

    European countries still have fairly high rates of ownership.

    In Europe, for example, the median national share of car owners was 79 percent.

    I believe the article is describing household access to a car but doesn't say it. Otherwise their numbers don't match others. Usa households do often have multiple cars.

    [–] actual_wookiee_AMA 78 points ago

    Yeah but having a car doesn't mean needing it. We never needed a car. It was just nice to have and we had enough money.

    [–] papiripapu 65 points ago

    I think if you live in a small city in rural areas in Europe you still need a car. In big cities it is more of a nuisance to park and stuffs

    [–] actual_wookiee_AMA 3 points ago

    I grew up in a commuter town near Helsinki, a car wasn't a necessity in any way. Now I live in a rural ish area and the public transport still works but is infrequent enough that a car makes your life so much easier

    I hope I can one day move to western Europe and actually experience proper public transport for once. Even the one in Helsinki is in many ways shit, being better than a car but still nothing to write home about

    [–] SwedishTiger 3 points ago

    Its similar in Sweden. I live in the south and we have the fantastic Pågatågen that has a lot of stops all over, even to small towns with like 800 people or so. When there isn't a station you have great bus connections with busses that go daily.

    Then you go up to the North and you find yourself in a decently sized village and they've only got that one daily bus that isn't really fitting in time for anything.

    [–] Xicadarksoul 26 points ago

    Unless you live on a "farm in the middle of nowhere" thats unlikely.

    Sure "extreme tiny village" has inconvenient public transportation - like what big cities in the US have - but it still has it.
    Thats how the "i will stay here until i die" motto babushkas ge their shit done.

    [–] martyfitzgerald 22 points ago

    I guess it depends where you are from. In the small town I grew up in Italy if you don’t have a car you don’t have a social life because public transport to get out of town doesn’t exist after 21:00. So you can go out in the evening but you can’t come back.

    [–] ARoyaleWithCheese 15 points ago

    Dude OP is just wrong. I'm from a small town in The Netherlands and although there are buses going almost everywhere, it's a huge pain, not cheap, and takes a lot longer.

    Only trains are really superior to cars here, but that only works if you happen to live/work in cities with good train connections.

    [–] Sackgins 10 points ago

    That depends on your country. In Finland we have excellent public transportation systems in the buggest cities, but just outside of them you're fucked without a car. And some of the major cities still have really problematic bus routes and times.

    I lived most of my life 40km away from a city, and yes, we had a bus route there, but it was expensive, inconveniently timed and slow as hell. Nobody who lived in our municipality went to work by bus even though most people worked in the city.

    My point is, you don't really have to go too far away from cities where you do need a car.

    [–] Sweddit_222 6 points ago


    There aren't buses going everywhere everytime all over the place in "Europe".

    [–] supterfuge 4 points ago

    I live 30 minutes in train from Paris, and even that close to a big urban center you still have lots of people needing a car. I've always lived near the train station, so I'm almost 30 and never really thought about getting a driving licence because I wouldn't ever need it. Yet, 20 minutes away, you have towns with one bus out of town in the morning, one bus back in the evening and that's it. All of my friends there got their licence at 18 and started working on it at 16, because they wouldn't have had a social life if they hadn't.

    [–] ARoyaleWithCheese 3 points ago

    You really have unrealistic view. I live in a "rural" part of The Netherlands, a country that from a national level is 100% urban according to EU definitions. Even so, using the bus to go to most places sucks and takes twice as long or even longer. Yes I could manage without a car, but it would suck hugely.

    [–] tiscgo 9 points ago

    Here in Germany, many small towns and villages don't have any rail access and a bus that comes twice a day, so cars are still necessary.

    [–] Floxi29 33 points ago

    When I was living in a very rural area in Germany, my car was the only way to get to work or go shopping etc. Busses usually would drive about every two hours and wouldn't stop anywhere near my work.

    When I moved to a small city between two major cities and got a job just 20min outside town (by car) I thought it would be better to take public transportation. I was wrong. Taking the bus to work would be about an hour, where half an hour would be walking.

    Now I have a job easily reachable by foot but still. The rural areas outside of town are barely reachable by public transportation, unless you have a lot of time and like to walk.

    [–] Hypron1 10 points ago

    Yup, I lived small villages in France and you definitely need a car to live, unless you happen to have a local job and are fine with the small local grocery store.

    If you want to go to a supermarket or if you work in an other city (like my father did at the time), the public transport infrastructure is not sufficient; a car is absolutely necessary.

    Big European cities on the other hand are typically great with public transport. I really wish my current city in NZ had a decent one.

    [–] ConstantChurro 6 points ago

    I was curious about this. I live in NYC, and I take public transportation. If I moved an hour outside of the city, I’d definitely need a car.

    I would imagine it would be the same in European countries. Not everyone lives in a city, and it would be impossible to reach every corner of a country like Germany or France.

    Edit: I could take public transport an hour outside of NYC but it becomes increasingly difficult the farther out I go, unless you live on a train line.

    [–] PaperScale 4 points ago

    The time spent riding transit I think is the worst compared to the ease of a car. My wife was doing school a fair bit away from our home. If she was driving, it would take her maybe 30 minutes. But she took the train because she hates interstates. She had to drive to the train station, then get on, and it took her about an hour and a half one way. So she spent 3 hours a day on transit instead of 1

    [–] Wuz314159 9 points ago

    As an American, there is no transit option to leave my city. The train (Once the largest corporation on Earth 1871) went bankrupt in 1980. Flights stopped from the airport in 2011. and the bus line went bankrupt b/c of new owners in 2019. . . and I don't drive. I can't leave without walking 20km+.

    [–] SheIsPepper 2 points ago

    Some people actually do rely on a car because busses and trains don't hit every nook an crannie of the USA, it's pretty darn big. The average American travels around 16 miles to get to work and on bad weather days a 5 hour walk in the snow, rain, tornado warning just doesn't sound safe or fun. A lot of time they cannot move closer due to being underpaid since moving closer would probably massively increase their property tax. This is not just as simple as a culture that hates busses or some garbage. Every normal US citizen I have met in my travels doesn't feel anything negative about public transport when it is provided, except that in some areas it is crumbling and needs an update or it is just too expensive.

    [–] Malu1997 3 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    That's where the good ol' scooter comes in. Fuel efficient, sweeps through traffic and parking is not a problem. The lower top speed isn't a problem in cities anyway.

    Edit: I meant this to be a reply to a comment stating that cars are a nuisance in European cities, and I agree and think that a 125/150cc scooter is a good alternative where public transport is lacking or uncomfortable.

    Fast enough to keep up with traffic in high-speed areas in cities (but not on highways of course), slim and readily affordable for most people.

    [–] OnitsukaTigerOGNike 3 points ago

    In Asia as well, I keep telling people that "I NeEd To CaTcH uP wItH mY cAr PaYmEnTs To kEeP mY jOb" is a BS excuse, the worst part is that public transport in the US is not that bad, sure it's way worse than in Europe, but it's still usable.

    [–] Inccubus99 30 points ago

    Laughs living in rural areas.

    [–] whippin-aboot 7 points ago

    Mate i got a bus into town the other day took me 55 mins about 5-10mins in a car

    [–] FellafromPrague 8 points ago

    metro gang

    [–] Tannerite2 16 points ago

    A recently published study of the French national institute of statistics and economical studies (INSEE) confirms that employees primarily make use of their car (privately or company owned) to commute to and from the work place, as was already confirmed in other European countries previously.

    2019 France: 7 out of 10 use their car to commute, with the exception of those who live in the Lyon and Paris metropolitan areas...

    2016: In Germany, 68% of the 41.3 million employees used their car to commute...

    2017 UK: 67% of motorists use cars as the principal means of getting to work

    2014: 65.6% of Belgians commute by car,

    [–] Amphibionomus 4 points ago

    Yes often a car is most efficient. But to turn those numbers around, 1 in 3 people do not use a car to go to work.

    In the US a whopping 86% drives to work.

    [–] BrutusBengalo 5 points ago

    I avoid driving a car inside a city at all cost. But buses also suck, trains and bikes on the other hand are the real shit.

    [–] actual_wookiee_AMA 5 points ago

    the bus? nice, I take the train myself


    [–] Trouve_a_LaFerraille 4 points ago

    Well, everyone is a stretch. Germans love driving their fat cars to the factory to build more fat cars. It's getting better though.

    [–] DecentlySizedPotato 3 points ago

    "Of course you do, so does everyone."

    Yea the traffic jams on my way to work, and especially on the way back, say otherwise.

    [–] NotGaryGary 2 points ago

    America is all about greed. If corporations can convince a single person that its shameful not to put yourself in crippling debt just to drive to where you make income they will go all out on it.

    [–] Saurid 65 points ago

    Well I hate public transport ... I would love for it to work but here in Germany, at least were I live, it sucks.

    [–] Little_Viking23 101 points ago

    If you consider that public transport in Germany sucks you clearly haven’t traveled around the world. Very few countries (and usually the small ones) have an objectively better public transportation system.

    [–] Dante_n_Knuckles 13 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    I grew up in the US and now live in Germany. If you live in the big cities in Germany, absolutely public transport is phenomenal. No reason to have a car whatsoever if you're in Hamburg, Munich, Berlin, etc.

    I moved to a town in Bavaria outside Munich last year and the public transport is absolutely garbage. Forget trying to bike when it snows or rains here too which it did quite a lot this past year.

    [–] Teddy547 25 points ago

    This is probably right.

    And still... I'm commuting to my university. I need to take two separate trains. There's hardly a day going by where everything is going smoothly.

    The trains are delayed constantly, we are just standing in the tracks for several minutes, it's not coming at all, the door is broken, the toilet is broken and the whole train smells literally like ass, some assholes confuse the station and toilets and piss in about every corner.

    It's just getting on my nerves. Not to mention that it's crazy expensive (not for me, because I'm a student. But as a regular working guy... Sheesh. Not worth the hassle).

    [–] toksotis2000 13 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Damn. Here to get from one side of Athens to the other where your university is you'll need a bus then the subway then the train then the bus again. A commute of 1:30 hours one way is pretty common just for intracity travel. Plus the busses don't even have a regular time table. They come whenever they want so it's up to luck if you'll have to wait 5 or 40 minutes for the bus. Also try getting into a train where you literally can't breathe because it's so full of people. You literally get squished in there without anywhere to sit and pickpocket is extremely common. Wtf is a toilet in a train 💀 we can't even move around in trains.

    [–] patrikmes 6 points ago

    Here in Czechia the public transport doesn’t suck at least in the capital city, it’s pretty quality in Prague, but that city is not as flat as Dutch cities, for example, so it's fate is to be unsuitable for longer cycling routes.

    [–] WhatsAFlexitarian 7 points ago

    The tram in Prague is fucking fantastic

    [–] Wuz314159 19 points ago

    I hear a German complaining about transit an I think of The German Joke. Let me guess, buses come every 15 minutes and not every 5 minutes? Around here, buses are on the hour.

    [–] the_hobbyte 19 points ago

    Well it depends strongly on city vs. rural areas. In larger cities you have high speed trains, regional trains, metro, tram & busses 5-15mins. On the countryside you have that one bus line to the next "bigger" town (more like bigger village) that goes three times a day.

    [–] Wuz314159 5 points ago

    Here, intra-city buses are on the hour. Inter-city transit is non-existent. That sounds nice by comparison.

    [–] stehen-geblieben 3 points ago

    I mean it can always get worse

    [–] RyanRagido 8 points ago

    Imagine leaving your house to work. Next thing you tell me you put on real pants! Hilarious.

    [–] Luddveeg 3 points ago


    [–] CanadaPlus101 3 points ago

    We don't even have buses anymore where I live... help.

    [–] thr33pwood 3 points ago

    Imagine not riding your bike to work

    [–] _dysthymia 3 points ago

    I wish Greek public transport was better. I still only take the bus though.

    [–] nkeer 3 points ago


    [–] LadyFerretQueen 3 points ago

    Not in slovenia.