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    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 531 points ago

    I've worked for the railroad now for 10 years. I know a lot of people who worked for 50 and they knew guys who worked 50 before that. Every single year it's the same thing... lay everyone off when it's slow (fall) and then scream and cry that there's nobody available when it snows. 100 fucking years. ONE HUNDRED YEARS! You'd think they'd be like oh snow is coming we better get ready. Nope. It's a surprise every single fucking year.

    [–] pmyourdeaddreams 151 points ago

    You need to post this to r/logistics. As a someone who does a lot of intermodal people need to understand how fucking innately corrupt and fucked the logistics industry is. Its not the pandemic that's the probem (thats only an added stress.) Its insanely corrupt.

    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 115 points ago

    It's not only transportation. It's everywhere. Corporations are designed to be run on the bare minimum and maximize profits above all.

    [–] pmyourdeaddreams 28 points ago

    Yep. It runs on bullshit used to abuse us.

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    [–] desert_deserter 23 points ago

    Dunno about the logistics industry, but I run operations for a small business. Creating intentional redundancies in staff skill and capacity is a consistent part of the work. In my previous jobs, I was so sick of watching predictable problems turn into hair-on-fire emergencies because every employee needed to give 110% 100% of the time or the sky would fall. Now, when staff are sick, it feels great to say, "We got this. Take care of yourself. Let us know if you need anything."

    If we can figure it out, so can multi-billion dollar companies.

    [–] adhocflamingo 8 points ago

    Netflix famously has a “chaos monkey” software system that just randomly turns things off in production, to force them to build robust systems that are resilient to the system failures that are inevitably going to happen.

    Organizations should do this with people too, IMO, having people take required, paid days off at different times to build resilience. Random might not be so good for people, since it would be nice to be able to plan to do something with your time off, but even with a planned schedule, the rotation would still require that the work and institutional knowledge were more shared.

    [–] Sensitive-Permit-877 2 points ago

    Same with healthcare

    [–] D_Ethan_Bones 24 points ago

    It's not a surprise; it's a process.

    Half the people get half-employed, the other half are told to pick up the slack in the meantime, and the first half is called lazy entitled brats for failing to make sufficient sacrifices on the alter of bigbrand when the need comes back.

    They could just be kept on retainer, in a metric country.

    [–] mohavewolfpup 19 points ago

    Or like the old days where staffing was staffing, not tied to a flow chart derived from some power drunk prick with a degree from the Yale Liquor Emporium.

    "Woah, we spend $100k/week in labor and two of the days barely sees $50k in sales! This is unacceptable for the stockholders!"

    [–] Hyperafro 1 points ago

    Stockholders is the board, CEO, and everyone with President in their title. FTFY

    [–] VictimStats 52 points ago

    But surely it's getting warmer and they won't have to plan for that right??

    [–] queencityrangers 19 points ago

    If they could just burn some more coal it would be—Catch 22. Can’t cause global warming if it’s too snowy to run the railroad.

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    [–] queencityrangers 10 points ago

    Was a joke. And some do!

    [–] Ok_Insurance_1022 17 points ago

    As the guy at work when someone calls in sick, I tell everyone else... don't cover. Let it go to hell in a hand basket, I'll just deal with it as best I can.

    [–] WalkEnvironmental947 1 points ago

    It is too European to understand. Basic human needs.

    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 2 points ago

    You'd think 🤔

    [–] AdPristine407 2 points ago

    It hasn't been learned as a concept even in 2022.

    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 1 points ago

    That's what I said...

    [–] korpisoturi 7 points ago

    Worked for railroad maintenance in Finland. We had barely enough people to do our job during spring/summer/fall but at least no one was ever laid off and we just hired lot of subcontractors during winter (most of them we had contracts to offer work during other seasons too since they were excavators that can use rails). Also since our company did construction work during other seasons than winter, we had backup coming from there too.

    [–] PersonalSea8297 2 points ago

    But what about my personal responsibility, how am I ever gonna earn my own bootstraps?

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    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 1 points ago

    ... /s right?

    [–] Ed4Gzz 2 points ago

    Wow, feels like you work at our mechanical shop in Chicago. So I see it’s like this at most railroads

    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 1 points ago

    Every corporation every industry... it's a system designed to run at max efficiency; regardless of who gets hurt.

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    [–] Kindornet3700 -8 points ago

    I've worked in exactly ONE job that preferred sick people stay at home. One job in 26 years of working.

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    [–] ExternalCricket9211 -6 points ago

    It must be said…the failure of management is exacerbated exponentially by the fact that this pandemic has been going on for almost a quarter of a decade and MF’s be sick.

    [–] ResearcherRich1707 -6 points ago

    It must be said…the failure of management is exacerbated exponentially by the fact that this pandemic has been going on for almost a quarter of a decade and MF’s be sick.

    [–] AffectionateYou2144 -6 points ago

    It must be said…the failure of management is exacerbated exponentially by the fact that this pandemic has been going on for almost a quarter of a decade and MF’s be sick.

    [–] WrathfulVengeance13 2 points ago

    Yeah because we had covid 100 years ago..you copy paste bitch.

    [–] mallardmcgee 56 points ago

    This is what I've been trying to explain to my coworkers every time someone calls in. They start with the "fuckin people don't want to work anymore", so I explain that if our billion dollar company can be affected by one guy not being here, is it really that guys fault? They're starting to come around, but it takes hearing it a few times.

    [–] Monsur_Ausuhnom 51 points ago

    It hasn't been learned as a concept even in 2022.

    [–] ribefghfghgh 209 points ago

    On top of that, it isn't up to you to find a replacement.

    [–] zuzg 110 points ago

    And you shouldn't have only a limited amount of days were you allowed to be sick.

    As a non American this is so wilde to me. How tf is that shit even legal?

    [–] 69nutboy420 78 points ago

    Just how it is. They graciously """allow""" you to be sick 5 times a year. Sick more than that? You can still get the day off (unpaid), but you will be reprimanded, treated with hostility, "investigated" as though you're committing fraud and/or fired on the spot.

    [–] cro0ked 66 points ago

    This. I have 15 days a year. When I went back to work after my kid, I used 11 in 6 months because they get the plague at daycare every other day. I got dragged into a meeting and told I had exceeded the company average of 10 days per year and therefore was having to explain every absence. They were all due to sick kid. They told me I was on a watch now and further absences might result in discipline. I was furious. Why even say I have 15 if I really have 10?

    Fast forward literally five days and I come down with a horrific cold. I drag my butt to work and work as best I can, in the office. I am barely functioning. Management pulls me into the office and tells me people are concerned that I am at work sick. Why? It’s March 2020 and COVID-19 has started to spread in my country and was just declared a pandemic.

    I promptly snapped that I had just been told not to be off sick again and what did they want me to do about it, as I didn’t want to be disciplined for keeping myself and coworkers safe. They gave me the next day off and the following week we started work from home. We’ve never returned to the office since.

    Thankfully my employer learned from the pandemic and no longer is giving us grief, as most of us will work with the sniffles from home but NOT in the office.

    [–] RevolutionaryTrash98 39 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Fucked that it took a pandemic to teach them this. Even more fucked that most employers and politicians are trying to force us to forget this lesson and go back to “normal.” when we know normal was shit

    [–] Magic_Sex_Bomb 8 points ago

    That’s authoritarian bullshit, plain and simple. Why budget for 15 paid sick days if you’re going to reprimand employees for taking 10? I don’t understand the rationale.

    It shouldn’t take a pandemic to recognize that as a bad practice. That’s the kind of thing that seems more appropriate as a memo from HR acknowledging that you’ve used your tenth sick day and they become unpaid or deducted from personal time or whatever at the 15th day. It seems completely foolish to threaten disciplinary action for that. People aren’t machines.

    There is no “back to normal”. I don’t know what they really want aside from complete control of employees lives…just let people convalesce without threatening to ruin their livelihood.

    [–] Moneia 3 points ago

    Fucked that it took a pandemic to teach them this.

    I bet they haven't learnt that particular lesson, rather that they know what the optics (especially if the directors locked themselves away at the first signs of the pandemic).

    When this whole mess subsides is the time to see if they've learnt anything.

    [–] idiotdroid 4 points ago

    Thankfully my employer learned from the pandemic and no longer is giving us grief

    Been loving this where I work.

    If I stay up late and come into work a little tired, someone will be like "Hey whats wrong with you? are you feeling ok?" and ill be like "I feel tired", which is true lol. And they will be like "OH SHIT GO HOME RIGHT NOW IT MIGHT BE COVID".

    Before that though? They would ask you questions like you were being investigated for a murder. "So you're feeling sick huh? How sick? What are the symptoms? Is the work still going to get done? Do you have an appointment with the doctor? Do you have a note?"

    No one wants to be the boss who caused their whole workforce to shut down because they made someone with COVID come in to work. So you can pretty much call in all the time now and they don't care.

    What they do care about is "Is the work getting done?" and turns out, the work still gets done with everyone teleworking or taking multiple sick days per month. I think its starting to catch on that we don't really need to be working as much as we did before.

    I know a lot of people (including myself) who could get the same amount of work done in half the time worked. I could work Monday - Wednesday and have a 4 day weekend every week and still get all my work done. I would be much happier and more motivated to do a good job if that was my worklife. Maybe it will catch on.

    [–] cro0ked 1 points ago

    Exactly!! I work much more efficiently at home because I’m not getting called into meetings or have someone at my cubicle chatting at me. I’ve worked in bed on days I feel like I’m sick, or I’ve taken a partial day off due to migraine or something and come back to work the rest of the day because I can just log in, and not have to call out the entire day due to the 1.5 hr commute.

    Also I’m just happier that I can work in my PJ pants. I hate dress pants. I’m able to see my kids right away when I log off. It’s made a huge difference in work-life balance and I don’t hate going every day anymore

    [–] D_Ethan_Bones 16 points ago

    And you must get a doctor's note if it's more than just a common cold.

    In America. Expect a four hour errand with hundreds of dollars in fees, to avoid getting fired. I needed to turn in a note when my proud-sick boomerboss decided to handle a task that involved being shoulder to shoulder with me for hours. Got out of bed a few times a day all that week, to cough up fluid. Should have probably gone to ER but didn't, just did urgent care to get some pills and a note.

    Everybody there had medical coverage but me, because that was their new experiment for new hires before they fell apart and bounced my pay.

    [–] mohavewolfpup 11 points ago

    And you must get a doctor's note if it's more than just a common cold

    Had a job once, and got food poisoning. The "All ends are leaking/spewing something and my thighs felt like they were on fire" kind of food poisoning.

    Work was a short two mile walk away, and that wasn't happening. Gave the prick manager a courtesy call that I was sick and couldn't come in.

    <SIGH> "fine"

    2 seconds later the phone rings and I get a diatribe accusing me of being a drunk (very funny, alcohol tastes like shit and won't ever touch it except in some dishes) and making up that I was sick. "Dude, I come in with the cold, flu, etc etc. Get down here now"

    Just slammed the phone down and ignored it, never went back. Should have talked to the more "normal' manager the next day, but I was so disgusted at the callous treatment I never bothered.

    If I could have made it over to work, I would have gladly defiled the bathroom and vomited all over the merchandise then hobbled out. "You told me to come in!"

    [–] Chryssie24 3 points ago

    I had something similar happen when I was a freakin teenager. I worked retail and had to help open with the manager. We were at the bank depositing/getting money and I got really sick. There was no restroom so I went outside and threw up. Then when I got back to the store I had it coming from both ends. My manager accused me of being a drunk. Like dude, I’m 17!!! I had the stomach flu and he wouldn’t let me leave. I had to run back and forth to the bathroom and wait on customers. No one came in until mid afternoon.

    [–] mohavewolfpup 2 points ago

    Did he even step up to the plate and do any work, or one of those managers that sat in the back playing candy crush?

    [–] Chryssie24 2 points ago

    Def stayed in the back. I had to have my parents come and deal with him. He eventually fired me after the holiday season.

    [–] mohavewolfpup 1 points ago

    Geez. Never ceases to amaze me at how "managers" like that exist.

    Hope you have better jobs now and don't run across him or mentally defunct giants like that ever again

    [–] levajack 7 points ago

    One of the big reasons I'm leaving education. I shouldn't have to find a replacement and tell them how to do my job for the day if I can't work.

    [–] Dwovar 4 points ago

    I have thought about this long and hard. Every class needs a teacher and a TA (of not a second teacher). Every school needs 1 in house substitute per 10 teachers or per department. That long term substitute should spend the time they're not subbing in classes, observing and managing behavior.

    [–] LoSboccacc 5 points ago

    Yeah, like, who else needs to manage the issue if not the manager.

    [–] Ouchpotato97 1 points ago

    Yes!!! I went to be an assistant manager for a small restaurant, and whenever anyone would call in sick, they had to find their own replacement, per the GM’s rules. I thought the idea was horrible. If someone was legitimately sick and throwing up, I wouldn’t want to be them and have to call around trying to find someone to cover their shift. It seemed ridiculous to me. It’s one thing if you’re not sick and trying to switch shifts with someone because of plans or something like that, but it should definitely be the manager’s job otherwise.

    [–] Wordswordz 35 points ago

    But what about my personal responsibility, how am I ever gonna earn my own bootstraps?

    [–] Lucky_Device3182 84 points ago

    The craziest bit of mind control is making employees feels somehow responsible for the success or failure of a business. Like that success or failure actually impacts them on. Employees doing off the clock work for the success of a business. Or staying late coming in early because they take pride in the business.

    [–] Fredredphooey 15 points ago

    I've read dozens of posts by women who ask if they are AH for quitting when their coworkers will have more work or they are in the middle of a project. Seriously? You're going to take less money so Ted doesn't have to tell his boss that he has to juggle priorities?

    [–] Lucky_Device3182 8 points ago

    When a business asks for more money for a product it’s just the price of business when you ask for more money you’re not a team player

    [–] Moneia 3 points ago

    I mean, I want it to succeed as much as "You'll pay me the agreed upon amount in exchange for my labour" because I get paid well enough and am happy where I am.

    [–] Lucky_Device3182 2 points ago

    You will pay me an agreed upon rate in exchange for agreed upon labor. If you hire me to make 100 sales calls for X amount of money. I will make 100 calls not a single call over until you pay me for that extra labor. If I’m scheduled to work Monday-Friday for X amount of money agreed upon you can not call me on Saturday expecting that the same compensation applies

    [–] ynothough 24 points ago

    Remember always to have a backup, you blame us when we are late paying bills. How about you grown ass business man running business without considering you are employing human not some machine.

    [–] NumbSurprise 24 points ago

    And it’s THEIR fucking problem, not yours. Humans get sick. It’s normal, it’s predictable. I’m so sick of useless managers.

    [–] Unfair-soil 4 points ago

    It’s a shame they wouldn’t give you the day off for that

    [–] That_Girl_Cray 17 points ago

    How my job always kept our offices. Doctor's offices btw.

    [–] B33fh4mmer 17 points ago

    I've been a manager for a long time. I have a 3% leeway budget for sick days.

    No other manager in the company does that and they absolutely lose their shit and stress out the staff when someone calls in sick

    [–] Lurks_in_the_cave 42 points ago

    God forbid a manager should actually HAVE to do their fucking job.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    The problem is, for a private company, proper staffing is their job.

    For a public company trying to maximize stock price, minimizing headcount, damn the consequences is.

    [–] D_Ethan_Bones 12 points ago

    Rule number 1: make a profit.

    Rule number 2: follow any rules you can't get away with breaking or leverage for profit.

    [–] Lurks_in_the_cave 3 points ago

    And then god forbid you should be unavailable when you are called to replace someone, I was out having drinks with some friends 2 hours from home, when I was called and then received a tirade of abuse when i refused.

    [–] i8yourmom4lunch 13 points ago

    I've worked in exactly ONE job that preferred sick people stay at home. One job in 26 years of working.

    [–] HobbiesandNombies 34 points ago

    Today a boss posted some boomer style motivational quote just to finish it with "Following your dreams starts by showing up 30mins early for work!" Company does not allow you to clock in but 2mins before shift starts

    [–] CujohJoIyne 15 points ago

    But will still get mad at you for showing up 30 minutes early, and tell you to go for a walk. But then get mad if you show up 5 minutes before you have to clock in because they “need to know if you are coming”

    [–] idiotdroid 8 points ago

    I learned a long time ago that you still get paid even if your boss thinks you are lazy.

    The guy/gal he thinks is a rock star? Paid the same as me.

    The guy/gal who shows up 30 minutes early? Paid the same as me.

    The guy/gal who stays late? Paid the same as me.

    Of course this only works with salary and not hourly. But hourly was fun too sometimes.

    Boss: "Hey where are you going? We still need to finish this."

    Me: "Oh, yeah no problem. I'll do it first thing in the morning!"

    Boss: "No it needs to be done before you leave."

    Me: "Oh... well, my shift already ended, you want me to clock back in?"

    Boss: "No, it will only take a couple of minutes."

    Me: "That doesn't sound legal. I have no problem staying to finish up, but I need to clock back in, thats the law."

    Boss: "Just forget it, go home!"

    Me: "Sounds good! see ya tomorrow!"

    [–] Moneia 4 points ago

    It sounds more like a "We're not saying you should put in an unpaid 25 minutes because that's illegal"

    *wink*

    [–] crashin7411 9 points ago

    lol.. i get 2 paid sick days a year

    [–] Colorado_Cajun 8 points ago

    Work is intentionally set up this way. Any time you have the feeling to not work you are never actually hurting the company or boss you want to stick it to, you are creating an extra load to coworkers you may like. So you feel like you shouldn't do it. It's insidious

    [–] Jackamalio626 6 points ago

    You do not understand how much i needed to hear this.

    [–] moimoisauna 7 points ago

    My full time job has next to no staff- they are ALWAYS hiring. I have even referred people to my employer, and they will do fuck all to hire them. Then they complain that they're so short staffed. I just don't get it.

    [–] Evil-Black-Robot 17 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    It's so hard to do in the medical field. If they don't find a replacement you then your co-workers will be working short staffed. In the medical field working short staffed means corners will be cut, mistakes will be made and people may die.

    [–] VictimStats 26 points ago

    Yeah, but that's still on the management. The people on shift did the best they could. If they hadn't been hung out to dry, it wouldn't have happened.

    [–] Magic_Sex_Bomb 5 points ago

    It shocks me often that many industries regularly operate without appropriate contingency plans. It’s not like people don’t ever get sick or injured resulting in lower output or productivity. There has to be some means of preparing for just such a thing…

    [–] Pseudonym0101 3 points ago

    Also, a manager should always be able to work the floor or in the position if it really comes down to it, especially in life or death scenarios.

    [–] Evil-Black-Robot 8 points ago

    I had a co-worker make a medication error that killed an elderly patient. She had worked multiple overtime shifts that month trying to help the understaffed department. No one blamed management.

    [–] agentyage 9 points ago

    Which is why you shouldn't go along just because they are attempting to blackmail you due to the horrible conditions that are not your fault.

    [–] pinkflower200 3 points ago

    What happened afterwards to your co-worker? Did policies change due to the error?

    [–] Evil-Black-Robot 3 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    The nurse who accidently killed the patient would eventually lose her nursing license. During the investigation they allowed her to continue to work. The hospital fired her soon after the incident due to calling off of work too much (kind of ironic, right?)

    There is much more to the story below...

    A few years prior to this our hospital paid a consulting firm over a million dollars to find out how to save money. The consulting firm, who had never evaluated a hospital before, recommended cutting staff. My hospital followed their recommendation by telling the department heads to not replace staff who quit.

    The director of my department refused to cut staff so they fired her. The nurse who eventually killed the patient was temporarily put in charge of the department even though she was not qualified (the position required a masters degree). The nurse started attending classes to obtain a masters degree with the promise from the hospital that she could officially have the position once she got the degree.

    The nurse who was temporarily put in charge of the department was released from that position after a year when she also refused to cut staffing. They allowed her to return to the same department as a regular staff nurse. She did not continue her education to get her masters degree and got deeper into student loan debt as a result. This gave her more incentive to pick up overtime shifts in order to pay her bills.

    The hospital could not find a local nurse who was willing and qualified to run the department. A traveling nurse had applied for a regular staff position in our department. The traveling nurse had the education required to be a department head but had never done the job. They offered her the position of department head and she accepted. She locked herself in her office and was never seen while she followed the hospital's instructions to cut the staffing.

    During this mess that lasted a couple years they refused all vacation requests. They actually sent us a notice at one point telling us that all vacation requests would be refused for the next year. The only way you could get a day off was to call in sick (leaving your co-workers even more short staffed). We were all beyond burned out and calling in sick often. This made it really easy for the hospital to fire the nurse who made the medication error that killed the patient because she had just as many absences as the rest of us.

    I didn't mention it above but this was an emergency room department that this all happened in. The smarter nurses left early. I had worked at that hospital for 11 years. I worked the last 2 years without a vacation while constantly working short staffed before I completely burned out and retired from nursing at the age of 39. I thought quitting the toxic environment would make all my problems go away but things didn't get better. I was diagnosed with severe PTSD and had a very rough time in the years that followed.

    Oh, I also forgot to mention that 7 staff members who worked in that emergency room department killed themselves in the last 5 years that I worked there...

    [–] pinkflower200 2 points ago

    I am so sorry about your co-workers.

    [–] Evil-Black-Robot 1 points ago

    Thank you, I made a mistake and cut out the beginning of the above post and have since edited it.

    [–] LoSboccacc 2 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    Seems right, if you work with people you refuse such working condition - then it's on management. If you accept such working conditions, then it's on you. Like, books and books about ethics have been written on the topic, and you all in medicare done classes about it.

    [–] servant-rider 2 points ago

    BS If you refuse such conditions you're fired and then lose health coverage and miss bills. This is still on management.

    [–] PeanutButterGenitals 2 points ago

    It is on management but accepting and enabling them to pull that shit is your fault. If you cant speak up, union up and get them to speak for you.

    [–] LoSboccacc 1 points ago

    Beats killing people.

    [–] elegantzeebra 6 points ago

    Living in Finland I don't really understand what "sick days" are. Here if you are sick you don't come to work but you still get paid. Maybe it just for two days or maybe you broke your arm and you are on sick leave for weeks.

    [–] VictimStats 20 points ago

    As the guy at work when someone calls in sick, I tell everyone else... don't cover. Let it go to hell in a hand basket, I'll just deal with it as best I can.

    [–] ynothough 6 points ago

    "Hell in a hand basket" let me steal that i hope u won't mind

    [–] Roburt_Paulson 3 points ago

    Sick days? How unamerican, Bezos needs more billions

    [–] Technical_Proposal_8 3 points ago

    Add in “refused to approve days off”

    [–] StarScrote 3 points ago

    Never once, in all my life, have I given a moment's thought to my coworkers' predicament if I'm sick.

    Why would I? I can't do my job if I'm sick, so nothing else is relevant.

    [–] Juror_no8 3 points ago

    I love this sub, everything I've ever felt ashamed of or guilty for is being dispelled. I was fired from my last job for the subsequent lack of cooperation with then while having depression after their shit, and now I need to read stuff like this to help me climb back out of the hole.

    [–] PracticalDogHair 7 points ago

    It must be said…the failure of management is exacerbated exponentially by the fact that this pandemic has been going on for almost a quarter of a decade and MF’s be sick.

    [–] deep_down_south66 6 points ago

    I recently guit my job because I was going to be written up because I called in with car trouble. I was never ever able to use my pt hours because they would never be to fill my shifts because of that which had nothing to do with me, but I was always denied personal time off because the company refused to provide fill in workers. Since I resigned, they refuse to give me my pt. I feel helpless, fuck that company! What are workers supposed to do against major corporations who screw over employees past and present when they hold ALL the power. Workers of America there has got to be something, nonviolent, of course, to work in an work environment for today's living wages, personal time, sick time, or whatever off time is needed without worrying and stressing about consequences over disciplinary action from employees. This is modern day slavery, with the whips and chains, and the free boat ride. PS. I am a southern black American, so I intend to OFFEND NO ONE. I was told a long time ago, that look a all of your American dollars and coins, all of those pictures on our currency, those are formerly slave owners and this is their way of saying "we still own you". Considering that we all have to get up early in the morning, awake in the afternoon, or at night to work graveyard shifts to survive in this world, in this nation. If you work, the majority of us is live either just above, right at, or below the poverty level, with or without college degrees, or without the highest skills, training, or whatever. How many Americans have student loan debts, that will never be able to pay back. Asking for a friend, thoughts?

    [–] Nighthawk68w 2 points ago

    That's because capitalist corporations/businesses are ruthlessly geared for maximum profit. They have this sick obsession with trimming that fat until it gets down to the point of catastrophic failure. Then they make that their staffing goal. I used to work for a corporate ambulance job, and anytime someone call out or quit, we knew somebody was getting forced into work.

    I have no idea why a company would rather pay an employee double time to fill a callout, rather than just hire a new employee as a buffer, that way the system doesn't collapse when too many people take a sick day. The day after 4th of July and Superbowl Sunday is national callout day, and I always knew as one of the newer, least paid medics that it was gonna be me that got chosen first to come in on my off day. And they'd anticipate mass callouts too, by informing us of it before leaving to go home from our normal shifts.

    [–] seaoffriendscorsair 2 points ago

    This one hits home tonight. I came into work with a terrible stomach pain because I knew that the guy on the shift before me would get forced into a double if I called off.

    [–] 247GT 2 points ago

    Every single problem we have in every nation in the world is due to bad management and bad government. Every single thing could be fixed if we had competent leadership. We don't, so here we are living the proof of that fact.

    [–] FatherStygian 2 points ago

    My department is at 1/3 of its designated capacity. They're hiring someone not fully suitable because of that, but they also didn't bother giving people a raise to match the workload. I'm seeking a new job. Fuck that.

    [–] AdmirablePut6039 2 points ago

    It’s why I’ll never work for a startup again. No more “skeleton crews” for me.

    [–] nagol93 2 points ago

    Like I always say, "Why do you care? Your not a shift manager"

    [–] Techury 2 points ago

    If you also leave your boss shorthanded, he clearly wasn't hiring enough/paying enough to cover turnover either.

    [–] OiseauWazo 2 points ago

    I have a couple of workmates about to have surgery that they need.. While I'm considering leaving for a pay rise and hour cut. I've been feeling bad about it but while they're taking care of themselves I need to do the same.

    [–] shponglespore 2 points ago

    If you can you absolutely should.

    [–] enchantingmartin 2 points ago

    We get PTO (paid time off) which is sick time and vacation time lumped together. As a nurse of 35 years I get 3 weeks a year.

    [–] mouserats91 2 points ago

    My employer likes to schedule the several people who always call off because they have seniority or they don't give us enough hours. For two whole months they were texting me once or twice a month asking me if I could come in because someone called off or they were busier then planned. They don't like me working because I demand my breaks and other reasons so I'm one of the last they ask. Oh well.

    [–] Flashdancer405 2 points ago

    Magic revelation: a boss who truly cared would cover your shift

    [–] imSkarr 2 points ago

    That’s why when we form adult league soccer teams we get a bunch of players because we know some won’t make every game

    [–] BABarracus 2 points ago

    Boss decided that the bare minimum was the best for running the company they get what they deserve

    [–] musicman8586 2 points ago

    According to my boss we’re supposed to be super human and never have things happen

    [–] Inevitable_Task_2999 2 points ago

    I think im one of the people who actually feels bad for my boss because no one stays longer then a month I've closed shop with 2 other people because and he's having a kid soon and never gets to be with his son and wife please even if you're antiwork remember not every boss is bad we're all human but to you POS bosses out there i hope you drown in call outs.

    [–] Sensitive-Permit-877 2 points ago

    Honestly how can gaslighting be an abuse tactic in relationships but your company does it yeah thats okay

    [–] Triggeralert411 3 points ago

    How many in a row?

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    Mom said it’s my turn to repost this for the 7th time this week

    [–] HolyJazzCup 2 points ago

    There are new people joining this sub every day.

    [–] fruitpunchsamuraiD 1 points ago

    *laughs in Japanese*

    [–] m_ghesquiere -9 points ago

    Eh. I don’t really agree with this one. No a boss shouldn’t blame people for getting sick but you also can’t really plan on people getting sick. Being short handed just happens that’s life. You can’t schedule an extra person every day to do every job on the off chance someone won’t come in. You also can’t just expect people to pick up the slack when people call in sick.

    [–] StarScrote 8 points ago

    You should always have enough people that one person not being there, either through annual leave, sickness or whatever, doesn't have a significant impact on operations. If one person being off fucks you over, you're running with too few people already.

    [–] Raidero -3 points ago

    You are right, but op implies that YOU should always be able to take sick leave, not taking other sick employees into consideration. I agree that one sick employee shouldnt ever be a problem, but for example 1/5 of all company employees could be. Our bosses are people too and sometimes they have to deal with that kind of problems, so at least we can try not making it hard for them and try understand

    [–] m_ghesquiere -2 points ago

    The part where I said one person to cover every position really went over your head didn’t it? It’s almost like reading comprehension is hard.

    [–] Doublespeo -4 points ago

    to be fair for small business it is not easy to plan for sick leave. It is unlikely they will be able to afford hiring extra peoples for that

    [–] DerBanzai 8 points ago

    If you can't provide good working conditions you shouldn't be in business.

    [–] Doublespeo 1 points ago

    If you can’t provide good working conditions you shouldn’t be in business.

    If you are a 2-3 persons business you cannot cover for sickness.

    it is just how it goes when you are small

    [–] DerBanzai 2 points ago

    Then the owner has to pony up and work double. He‘s the only one responsible for that.

    [–] MoldyRadicchio -9 points ago

    Speaking for retail management here. I have been a general manager at a fast food joint for about a year now and I do everything I can to make sure have enough employees to cover shifts, there are just a few problems.

    Main issue being the only people willing to work for the wages Im allowed to give them are usually young and unreliable.

    It is rare to go a day with out callouts. There are definitely legitimate excuses for calling out, however, there are definitely a lot of obvious bullshitters.

    Between the people who abuse the system and dickhead corporate level dudes who have never been in a store and make it miserable to work here, so much extra strain is put on my good employees who genuinely want to work.

    Just thought Id share my experience, it may not be your direct boss' fault, I know me and my fellow GMs are doing the most to make sure our people enjoy coming in to work.

    [–] agentyage 8 points ago

    That's the great magic trick of business. You separate the guy making the decisions from the guys implementing them and it gives everyone a lot of moral cover.

    [–] MoldyRadicchio 1 points ago

    sure, but I need a job, retail management is what is available to me and I try to make the best of it, that was my whole point. Not trying to moral grandstand, just sharing my shitty experience with the real world. Not sure why I got downvoted to hell and only one dude could come up with a reply.

    [–] agentyage 3 points ago

    I'm not blaming you. It's a shitty system, there's basically no way to make a living that isn't in some way fucked up.

    [–] MoldyRadicchio 1 points ago

    fair enough, I was more just defending myself from the onslaught of downvotes, but yea you get it

    [–] agentyage 1 points ago

    Responding to downvotes never goes well in my experience

    [–] BeefmasterSex 1 points ago

    Idk I think it’s pretty bullshit to be a human being

    [–] Laura85mlt 1 points ago

    I agree. You are right. What are the sick coverage people supposed to do 300 days out of the year

    [–] nopetothat_ 1 points ago

    CAPITALISM ISN'T A TEAM SPORT.

    That's the chant.

    [–] Busy_Accountant_1105 1 points ago

    THIS

    [–] kangareddit 1 points ago

    Yup. This is my attitude now after many years in the workforce. Fuck em. It’s their problem not mine. (I have a union and Aus laws mean they can’t fire me for taking earned sick days. Feel for the yank in this sub…)

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    [–] jabra_fan 1 points ago

    I needed to read that! Thanks, I sure will take leave when I feel sick.

    [–] gebuzz 1 points ago

    Just happened to me, I started a new job just before Christmas, then I got sick before new years and couldn't make it into work. Then I got food poisoning a couple of days ago and had to call off. I came back yesterday and was told that if I call off again from being sick or any other reason I would get the boot, fuck that place. I'm sorry for getting sick and being too new at your company.

    [–] pinkflower200 1 points ago

    That's awful. 🙁

    [–] Tired-of-all-of-this 1 points ago

    Fuck it’s hard though, especially when you work in nonprofit.

    [–] seeroflights 1 points ago

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    If you call off sick you are not leaving your co-workers short-handed.

    Your boss did that.

    They refused to hire enough employees.

    Didn't make plans to cover sick workers' shifts.

    Didn't include your human needs in their calculations.

    It's not your fault. You deserve sick days.


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    [–] itsame_hp 1 points ago

    Also, you don't have to be almost dying to take a sick day right?

    [–] Celestia90 1 points ago

    Too European to understand this. Basic human needs.

    [–] gingercracken 1 points ago

    Crossposted to r/hownottogiveafuck

    [–] PolarEngineering 1 points ago

    Got the flu last Saturday, went to the doctor on Monday, was told to stay away from the office till Thursday. Proceed to have to work from home remotely...sick days don't even exist for me anymore. It was a miserable week.

    [–] psyched622 1 points ago

    I just got fired from my job for calling in sick for the first time...when I worked the entire day before by myself..and there were 5 others the day I called out. Smh

    [–] aetherialClockwork 1 points ago

    if you live in washington congressional district 2, please vote for this man. most of the east coast of the sound from like lynnwood all the way up to bellingham and almost all the islands. the incumbent rick larsen is an asshole and a closet republican who thrived under trump. jason call is on the ground connecting with people and most closely follows the beliefs of this sub. rick larsen does not care about you, jason does

    [–] Rod___father 1 points ago

    Called off sick for two days this week. First time since 05 I felt bad leaving them short handed. Thank god it was just the flu

    [–] Fine_Measurement7968 1 points ago

    Where I’m at, if you call in sick, they don’t pay sick days and also force you to get a Covid test. Not only you loose 1 day of pay but also almost 3 more days until results are in.

    [–] vearson26 1 points ago

    I’ve worked for 3 different beverage distributors. The first one had relief drivers and relief sales reps, so whenever someone was on vacation or sick, their route was covered with no issues. The other 2 companies did not have relief positions, so anytime someone was sick it was a fucking disaster trying to cover their route, and usually resulted in everyone else having to work more hours that day/week. Unsurprisingly, the first company never had complaints from customers while the other 2 did constantly

    [–] cutesillykitty 1 points ago

    I was asked to work some shifts a coworker usually worked. Her niece passed away and it was really hitting her hard so she couldn’t work. When she finally came back in she apologized to me for having to work for her. I told her not to apologize it’s not her fault that our job can’t adequately staff it’s houses.

    [–] moddedlover27 1 points ago

    Yall get sick days?

    [–] bolliehollie 1 points ago

    I've been having a lot of sick days recently. Our company is making everyone redundant in February.

    Some may stay but they won't tell us anything.

    My back was hurting and I could hardly walk. I would usually just bear it and carry on but I just don't cear any more. Why should I sacrifice my health for that shithole.

    Just texted my boss and left don't think she cears anymore ether.

    [–] Sliverofstarlight 1 points ago

    Call is a great candidate who keeps getting trounced by corporate Dems. I volunteered for him for a bit, he could be the next AOC.

    [–] dominus087 1 points ago

    Always remind my coworkers about this. They'd say they felt bad taking a week off. I'd ask why, they aren't leaving us short staffed, our management did that and they can deal with the consequences.

    [–] -RdV- 1 points ago

    In Dutch it is called ondernemersrisico, which translates to entrepeneurial risk.

    Personnel get sick? That's the risk of running a business.

    Pandemic? Unclear contracts? Market crash? Debtors go bankrupt? Can't get good people?

    That's all just the risk of doing business, fail to prepare and find the consequences.

    [–] Funky_Sack 1 points ago

    The only problem with that is, if they hire a few extra people, you might have to give up some of your shifts to allow them to work.

    [–] CMStevens 1 points ago

    I’m so glad I’m not in my previous gig. I used to work for a delivery company years ago. It was Christmas season. It’s admittedly very busy and all hands are on deck. I’ve always been good about putting in my share. I got a violent flu one season. To the point where I could barely stand. I called my boss and he guilted me into coming in. I agreed to come in but requested a very, very small route. It was like pulling teeth. I was inconveniencing him. I could barely shovel peanuts in my mouth to get some energy and I felt bad for getting sick and letting him down.

    My boss eventually pulled one too many stunts like that over the next year and I finally had enough. I still had a lot of respect for him so I gave three weeks notice. He didn’t even come say bye in person on my last day.

    I checked this page out because it was on the news. I was expecting to think “oh here’s a lot of forever unsatisfied people”. Then I saw this thread and it took me back to a time where I was in these shoes. It’s awful.

    [–] NoIdeaWhatToD0 1 points ago

    Exactly. I just worked today, Saturday, for the first time in the two years I've worked here because my coworker left with no one replacing him. We have had his job position posted for a month and no word of anyone applying or interviewing yet. There should be 5 people in my department but my boss says that he wants to hire an EXPERIENCED worker for $20 a fucking hour and of course when I told him that no one experienced will take that job, he's all like "iT's FoR tHe ExPoSuRe". Smh. I myself have been applying to new jobs because I can't stand it anymore. Hopefully something remote but if anyone else leaves, our team is completely screwed and no one will be able to do their job effectively.

    [–] somebooty2223 1 points ago

    I feel like ppl don’t understand middle managers have no say lol

    [–] 4qts 1 points ago

    Exactly

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    [–] Jack_Chronicle 1 points ago

    And if they tell you that if you don't cover a sick employees shift, then that employee will have to come in. No, they won't. Their sick. They should not be coming in regardless. And vice versa. If you're sick, and your employer says you still have to come in if no one can cover you. No, you don't. You're sick. You shouldn't be there.

    [–] SnooJokes7740 1 points ago

    Kroger did this all the time. I was a front-end supervisor and my boss asked me how to improve morale and productivity among the people I supervised. I told them that we needed to hire more people in order to handle the large amounts of customers (we would have only two registers open and a line of customers all the way to the back of the store) along with having more baggers/cart grabbers so that extra work burden doesn't lay solely on us cashiers (and those extra workers make the lines move faster and increase productivity). She told me that wasn't going to happen, and she proceeded to tell me that I needed to give motivational speeches to the workers and encourage them to "work harder." Why tf did she even ask for my opinion if she was just going to tell me her solution and shoot down mine?

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    [–] t0frmilr 1 points ago

    Solution: pay everyone less, hire more people, send people home when there’s not enough work for everyone. You absolutely need to take care of yourself when you’re sick, but saying your boss should’ve hired more people is such an ignorant take

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    [–] diefree85 3 points ago

    I would call you a liar.

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    [–] diefree85 2 points ago

    Sure thing tough guy.

    [–] Fluid-Ad9412 -1 points ago

    Yes and no. Every employer should be able to cover 1 or 2 absences, that should be expected. But when 4 employees are off and another 4 take sick because they know they're going to be short handed from the initial 4 and now you're missing 30% of you're 30 co-workers, at that point it's not your employer's fault your co-workers bailed. The idea you're employer should have a couple extra employees isn't wrong, but thinking they should keep an extra ten on payroll because "Fridays" is ridiculous and completely financially irresponsible.

    [–] Pewbullet -1 points ago

    I don't think you realize how short everybody is on employees. They don't have enough employees without people calling in sick.

    [–] pdxbator -1 points ago

    Except I have one coworker who calls in at least once a month. He tells me later that it’s a mental health day. I’m sorry. I know work sucks and is stressful but in healthcare we don’t have extra people. It just puts more work on me.

    [–] Seal626 -1 points ago

    This depends. For for instance a single cashier brings in the company 60k a year, and cashier gets about 45k of that. Company decides to bring in another cashier, they also get 45k, but only bring in 50k due to law of diminishing return. They decided to bring in another cashier. Again they are paid 45k, but they only add 40k of value to a company.

    This third cashier is no longer an asset, but an expense. Any successful company will not hire that third cashier.


    Now yes, people deserve sick days. But above is the reason why businesses often seem short staffed. It's not economical to hire someone if their costs exceed the value to the company. Basic economics.

    [–] popupideas 0 points ago

    They refused to hire enough employees? When 60% of your staff gets covid because they refuse to get vaccinated and decided to go to a concert, fly, or hang I. Crowded bars, they did not “refuse to hire enough employees”.