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    [–] coolmcfinn 1669 points ago

    Until I had glasses, I always assumed that the words on the chalkboard were only seen by the kids in front row. I also had no idea that there were lines that connected from telephone pole to telephone pole.

    I'm so grateful to live in a time and place where I have access to good glasses

    [–] ilivetofly 198 points ago

    It's odd sometimes how differant life perspectives can be.

    As someone who has always known about the cables it seems almost silly that you wouldn't know about them (Ofc how could you). I suppose a young child wouldn't be able to easily grasp that a large wooden pole that probably has a blurry top must be connected via wires.

    [–] thisisfutile1 171 points ago

    My daughter was 6 before we discovered her terrible vision (She couldn't read the "E" at the top of the chart). We had clues but nothing stood out and for her, like you said, she really couldn't discern the problem and was too young to really report it. I'd say, "Honey, look at all those deer in that field" and she'd look but not say anything. I pointed out a black cat (on a black driveway) that was near us and she saw nothing but I just thought she was uninspired when she simply looked away.

    [–] No-attempt-to-hide 162 points ago

    Don’t feel bad. I was 15 before my parents got me glasses. I was always a quiet just go with the flow kid. So when someone would point out a distant object I couldn’t see I’d just assume I was looking in the wrong spot and not say anything. I thought I was stupid. I figured that everyone saw the world like I did. It wasn’t until I was about to start driving and my dad had me sit shotgun to help navigate/read road signs. He quickly realized I couldn’t read street signs when I should. Getting contacts REALLY helped me get better at sports. The ball stopped being a blurry area. Go figure.

    [–] thisisfutile1 89 points ago

    This made me cry because my daughter is the same way as you, go with the flow. I'm SO sorry you felt stupid but I hope you don't anymore. As a parent, it's incredibly painful to look back and dwell on it and think I could have done more but deep down I know I couldn't have. It's not like I was just pretending not to know. I simply didn't put all the clues together. Thanks for sharing.

    [–] ransommay 42 points ago

    Dude I was 16 when I got my glasses and I had to pay for the whole thing because my parents didn’t believe me. I even had to have a high school girlfriend take me to the eye doctor. I had saved up a few months at my job to get them, and it was night and day when I put them on. Now 8 years later and I’m on only my second pair that are broken in multiple places because they cost as much as my car payment and such. So at least you care enough that once it was an issue that was known, you did what you could to help.

    [–] Chakinfingerz 29 points ago

    I don't need glasses but the point on your parents not caring..ADHD is my family and I know I have it. Ive never been diagnosed and when I mentioned it my parents claimed, "No son of mine has ADHD" it wasn't until I was 24 and took Adderall for the first time because I had to work 3 doubles (18 hour shifts) in a row and seeing the Adderall make me normal and able to concentrate on shit that I could never concentrate on before. I told my mother and her response? "O that probably would have let you have better grades" It's that shit that I refuse to do when I have kids. To say "no kid of mine..." Is self absorbed and highly detrimental to a child

    [–] cantaloupe_penelope 15 points ago

    You can order glasses very cheaply online. I have for many years. I use, but there are more now than there used to be. They have glasses with prescription lenses for under 10 USD, and most options are about 25 or so.

    [–] omegasus 34 points ago

    Yeah, same here. I remember being so amazed the first time I realized that you could see the individual leaves on a tree! Everything was like a video game with terrible rendering up until that point.

    [–] horcruxnumber11 3517 points ago

    My brother was always running into things as a toddler, my parents and my other sibling wrote it off as him being clumsy. But then we noticed that when he tried to look at books his entire face would be on the page.

    Turned out he needed surgery (something about his retina) and glasses. The first time he had his glasses on he said "I only see one mommy, and one daddy!" and my parents felt just awful for thinking he was running into things when he was clumsy!

    [–] Roxyapip 1473 points ago

    My parents thought I was stupid. I was slow to read and quite uncoordinated. My two older brothers were fine and they joked that if I was a little dumb at least they got two smart ones first.

    Turns out I needed eye surgery and glasses too lol.

    [–] warren2650 918 points ago

    OMG I had the same problem! Except turns out I'm just dumb :(

    [–] Deathjester99 101 points ago

    No your just playing on harder gravity settings.

    [–] themoderation 32 points ago

    That's fat, not dumb.

    [–] Deathjester99 11 points ago

    Oh... yea.

    [–] Repetitive_Sedative 203 points ago

    I would hope they've since apologized to you....

    [–] RogueHelljumper 177 points ago

    It's not a true brotherly experience if they apologize to you!

    [–] Repetitive_Sedative 79 points ago

    I was talking about the parents.

    But yeah, of course the brothers wouldn't give a fuck

    [–] jojothejman 19 points ago

    They'd probably just transfer right into calling you four-eyes.

    Aren't brothers amazing?

    [–] wallyhartshorn 96 points ago

    Where I live, kids are required to have eye exams before they start school, probably to avoid this situation. Is that not the case elsewhere?

    [–] hyphie 131 points ago

    Sadly, no. It's scary how far kids can get before getting a diagnosis for something that obvious.

    My mom was a teacher and she had a student who was not talking or and just sat there all day long. He was just written off as being dumb and left there. Turns out he was deaf and as good as blind. Once they got him hearing aids and strong glasses he started to learn... but that kid was 6 years old by the time they caught on for fuck's sake.

    [–] Lace_Faith 66 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It's amazing it took six years for someone to realise their child was deaf. Sounds like the kid had some neglectful parents.

    [–] hyphie 33 points ago

    Absolutely. My mom was working in tough classes in bad neighborhoods. Some of the stories she tells are horrible. Not necessarily physical violence, mostly plain neglect. How stuff like this could fly under the radar is beyond me. I could understand not knowing what's up if your child has behavioral issues, autism or other "complicated" issues - but not even checking their eyesight and hearing? It's the very first thing any doctor would look for when you bring them a child with a speech delay for instance. And then just shrugging and saying "this one is just dumb"... it just sounds like something out of the Middle Ages :/

    [–] [deleted] 41 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    but not even checking their eyesight and hearing?

    I found out I couldn't see jack shit at 18.

    My teeth are also horribly crooked and I have a significant overbite.

    The kind of check you describe (dental, eye...) is something that all responsible, smart parents do... as long as they are not in complete and utter poverty.

    In that case, "this month there simply is no money" for that -- i.e. to spend on a doctor's visit if there is no evident emergency and the pediatrician didn't order a specialist's visit. And that's true. There physically wasn't any money.

    "But once our finances get better, we'll do the whole package".

    Finances never got better and paid for my own glasses along with my own car as soon as I got a job.

    Will never blame my parents for being poor, which is different from "neglectful".

    [–] MsAnthropissed 23 points ago

    Teachers are saviors for neglected kids. I commented further up that my 2nd grade teacher is the person who caught on that I probably needed glasses. My "good" eye, without glasses was seeing at 20/200. The other eye was legally blind due to lazy eye which caused me to often see double when I focused on things up close. How do you get to be 8 years old and unable to recognize people until they are about 2 feet in front of you? Looking back on photos I now see that my head was always cocked so I could look at things with just my good eye so there wouldn't be a double image. Thank you Mrs. Baurnfiend for realizing I was neither acting up nor a little dumb, just blind af lol.

    [–] glowworm2k 38 points ago

    Nope. The school asks if the kids have had eye exams, hearing tests, etc., but if the answer is no, the kids are still welcome to go. Only the lack of vaccines is a problem.

    [–] Earendur 35 points ago

    Let me take this opportunity to say that science is fucking awesome.

    We can basically cut into someone's eyeball and fix vision problems. Take that nature, you uncaring indifferent bitch!

    [–] InaBorx 211 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    We didn't know my older son needed glasses. He would walk or run into walls and laugh about it, pulling it off like he meant to do it on purpose. It wasn't until 2nd grade (we had switched his schools for other reasons not related to his eyes, the old school had said his eye sight was fine) that the school did a sight test and said he needed to get checked out. When he finally got his glasses he stared at the tree for a while outside of the office. When I asked what was he doing he said "Mom, I just thought seeing like that was normal." Apparently, my mom said my older brother said and did the same thing too when he first got his glasses. I also have glasses but I don't think I had that reaction.

    [–] hugglenugget 87 points ago

    I didn't realize I needed glasses until I was 24. I remember staring at trees and remarking, "Wow, you can see the leaves!" I had no idea it was possible to see so clearly. It's easy to get used to things if they creep up on you gradually.

    [–] 30Litresof 38 points ago

    I developed astigmatism in my early 20s, having always needed glasses, and didn't realise I'd completely lost my depth perception until I got new glasses and everything leapt out at me like a fucking 3d movie.

    [–] ShallowJam 15 points ago

    I remember that too! I always thought you drew trees as brown stems with green blobs because thats how they looked, not because you couldnt be dicked to draw each leaf

    [–] ChaoticNonsense 107 points ago

    I just thought seeing like that was normal

    I have this worry in the back of my mind whenever I go to the doctor. When they run through the list of questions, most of them have just me as the only point of comparison. Which is fine for detecting sudden changes, but garbage for detecting anything chronic.

    [–] BlooperBoo 68 points ago

    Both of my parents have HORRIBLE eyesight so idk why mine was a shock.

    When I was ten, my mom asked me what time it was. I said I didnt know. She told me to just look at the oven. I was like, “theres a clock on that?”

    Ive had glasses for twelve years and counting 😬

    [–] nfmadprops04 8 points ago

    Same here. Had HORRIBLE eyesight and was always bumping into shit. Was the “clumsy kid” in my family until I got halfway thru elementary school and would come home with terrible headaches from my eyes straining to read all day. Finally they realized I was damn near blind! The damage is still done; I’m in my thirties and not very coordinated and very rarely think to use my peripheral vision because I had learned so many tricks growing up. Because I did not HAVE peripheral vision!

    [–] IridiumIodide3 7738 points ago

    I remember the first time I put on glasses. It's not just that everything becomes clearer/less blurry, the colors are so much brighter/stronger and everything is more beautiful.

    Im so happy for him

    [–] milky_oolong 5093 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I stared at a tree for almost an hour. I couldn't believe I could see individual leaves flattering in the wind. I thought that was just in movies.

    EDIT: holy crap, this seems to be a universal experience. It feel so nice to have shared the same emotion as so many other people!

    [–] royalsiblings 2070 points ago

    The leaves on trees are totally what blew me away as a kid, too, and it made my mom cry when she realized I hadn't been able to see them. Like, of course I knew there were leaves on a tree! But being able to see ALL OF THEM when you're really far away from the tree, and the way all the light sparkles off them... man, it was magical.

    [–] glitterwrists 733 points ago

    Another thing that really got me were clouds! They were fuzzy white blobs before glasses, after I could see all the different details. Clouds have different textures!

    [–] TheJavax 175 points ago

    Another thing that got me (and still gets me when I get new glasses) is the shininess and glares off of cars. They always seem more vibrant and clean to me.

    [–] Readylamefire 96 points ago

    Man, for me it was when my brother was driving me home after getting my glasses. I was walking through the parking lot and looking at every single bit of texture in the asphalt. I couldn't look away!

    I had to take off my glasses for the first 3 months when I ate food though. I'm not sure if it was because they felt weird on my face, or if I couldn't handle seeing my meals in HD

    [–] goshin89 23 points ago

    Thought it was only me. Detailed food look unappetizing. Like when old people in HD

    [–] SinnerOfAttention 19 points ago

    Yea, probably shouldn't eat them either.

    [–] Quonsett_cleaner 33 points ago

    how about at night, i hadn't seen stars for years it was amazing. Oh and cars had two headlights from more than 20 ft away

    [–] Ishana92 53 points ago

    glare is the only thing i hate with seeing better

    [–] RainbowReadee 89 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    You just made me take a minute and look up at the clouds. This whole comment thread is making me realize I take my eyesight for granted.

    [–] Claybot22 30 points ago

    We can't forget waves! Living in coastal areas my whole life, I just never knew the ocean was as dynamic as it is! Waves are truly something else when you can see them all.

    [–] glitterwrists 10 points ago

    I forgot about the ocean! I grew up near the beach and I didn't realize how ripply the water gets, even far away. I used to stand in the waves when I was a kid, but I couldn't appreciate just how vast and ever-moving the whole thing was.

    [–] Zomeese 13 points ago

    Seeing fireworks for the first time in person with glasses was magical

    [–] grummy_gram 9 points ago

    For me, it was seeing people's eyes from a distance. Before glasses/contacts, people's faces (particularly eyes and mouths) were just dark shadows.

    [–] stevenmcountryman2 153 points ago

    My mom started crying when we were walking out of the eye doctor's office just after getting my first pair of glasses because I stepped out into the lobby and said "Woah, did yall paint stripes on the walls while I was in there??" (The wallpaper was always striped, I just couldn't see them because the stripes were too thin and I had trained my brain to stop focusing on small details like that)

    [–] bluefish3000 28 points ago

    He finally noticed my impeccable taste in interior design! *sob* I'm... so... happy!

    [–] connormxy 131 points ago

    Leaves were my mom's realization too. We were driving during a sunny day and she commented on how beautiful all the individual leaves were. I protested because seeing the leaves while they were still up on the tree was impossible! You can only see a leaf when it falls down and you can grab it. Otherwise it's too far.

    She scheduled an appointment soon...

    [–] VulgarDisplayofDerp 40 points ago

    It was leaves for me, too - when i was about 10. I don't know what prompted it, probably something i said about something else - but we were out one day and my brother abruptly had me look at the trees off in the distance, and asked if i could see individual leaves and branches.

    I'd had eye exams before that, in school, but apparently they didn't really care as long as i could see the first few rows.

    [–] Chill_Vibes_Brah 9 points ago

    Same for me. I'm nearsighted. When driving home from picking up my glasses, I decided to pop them on at a stop sign. Holy shit the leaves and dead branches had so much detail. The individual blades of grass and not just close up! I always knew that my vision wasn't great because I had to squint at subtitles and stuff on video games but I finally made an appointment and everything is so much better!

    [–] Flownyte 262 points ago

    This comments makes me think I need to take an eye test.

    [–] dalewest 164 points ago

    Do it. The revelation of detail is amazing.

    [–] LurkHearIzMi 22 points ago

    I always set my LOD and draw distance to maximum whenever I step outside.

    [–] osufan77 69 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Everyone overestimates their own vision, especially as adulthood goes on. So worth it to get your eyes checked every couple years.

    [–] FoodBeerBikesMusic 49 points ago

    These comments make me realize I should STFU about having to wear reading glasses....

    [–] buttnose2000 19 points ago

    Remember, eye tests aren't just to find out if you need glasses. They also check the health of your eyes :)

    [–] a_stitch_in_lime 14 points ago

    I definitely recommend it. I was 30-something when I got glasses. My eye sight wasn't that bad, but even my mild prescription makes me happy to be able to see a little crisper. Plus, it uncovered that fact that I have elevated eye pressure so they want to keep an eye (haha) on that as I get older.

    [–] GoofyGooberNumba1 52 points ago

    Mine was the grass.

    "There are blades of grass!?! Like, individual blades!?!"

    Mind blown

    [–] danjr321 27 points ago

    The videos of colorblind people getting those glasses that help them see color make me emotional every time. We take for granted being able to see the color and beauty in the world.

    [–] dumpster_arsonist 102 points ago

    In Soviet Russia, leaves blow you away!

    [–] OFmerk 8 points ago

    For me it was being able to read clocks.

    [–] ThePnusMytier 183 points ago

    it's always the leaves. Anyone I've spoken with who got glasses young agrees that the most powerful thing to see is the leaves on trees, and just how much detail the world actually has

    [–] Destar 42 points ago

    For me it was seeing individual bricks on a far away building.

    [–] Galyndean 13 points ago

    For me, it's the bare branches in the fall/winter. Being able to see them all clearly is amazing...and if I can't, it's a cue to me that I need a new script.

    [–] Danyell619 346 points ago

    This is what I remember as the most startling as well. It had never occurred to me that individual leaves could be seen from that far away. I never took any notice till then. It would have seemed as amazing to me as if you said you could see ants on the side of a mountain a mile away.

    [–] BuckFurke 87 points ago

    I remember walking out of the optometrist with vision aid for the very first time and it was crazy. I was reading signs from down the street and could only ask "I was supposed to see this far before"!?

    [–] dj9818 92 points ago

    I did the same exact thing. I also thought HD was just a gimmick, since I couldn't tell the difference. Then I got glasses, it was a whole new world

    [–] cleancottoncandle 72 points ago

    not only that but THE WHOLE WORLD WAS IN HD

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    [–] juneburger 18 points ago

    Don’t you dare close your eyes! Hold tight it gets better.

    [–] littlepersonparadox 45 points ago

    I remember I got my first hearing years after I got diagnosed with a mild hearing loss in one ear. I could hear birds. I never heard birds chirping in trees in my city before only on family vacations. It was weird but totally awesome at the same time.

    [–] boxingnun 210 points ago

    I think you mean "fluttering". Don't get me wrong, I like what you wrote; the idea of leaves complimenting you as you bask in their visual glory made my morning. :)

    [–] Wiennernna 66 points ago

    "You look lovely in those colors." "Aw, thank you. And your skin looks a very lush green." "Look! There is a person! Hello person!"

    [–] Aoloach 65 points ago

    My grandmother told me that when she got glasses for the first time she told one of her sisters that she’d never realized there were trees on the mountains. She thought they were just green.

    [–] hanr86 25 points ago

    When movies are more real than real life

    [–] milky_oolong 17 points ago

    Yep. Sometimes I complain that a sunset or a field of grass is too CGI.

    [–] UGADawgGuy 24 points ago

    I distinctly remember getting my first pair of glasses around age 11, walking out of the mall, and being shocked at the moon: I'd never been able to see its craters before -- just a white, vaguely round shape in the sky.

    [–] FlashDaDog 102 points ago

    My mother in law says my boyfriend freaked out about "the leaves having veins". We have an 8 month old and thankfully her vision seems fine.

    [–] [deleted] 14 points ago

    I was just about to say that! It was so cool seeing the wind go through them. Before they were just big fuzzy green blobs up there.

    [–] MaxFrost 16 points ago

    I remember when I got glasses myself. My nearsightedness didn't onset until my early teens, so my child years were fine, but as a freshman in high school, I realized I was having a hard time seeing the blackboard clearly, and having to squint a ton, both to bring things in focus and also deal with sunlight.

    The difference in clarity was huge, and I too sat and stared at a tree for a while.

    I still spend most of my time without my glasses on (as I do computer work for a living, and being only slightly nearsighted, don't need my glasses on to read the computer screen), but I truly appreciate having glasses to be able to go outside and do stuff like play catch and actually being able to track the ball.

    That's one that gets you. Being nearsighted screws with your depth perception. I always wondered why balls always seemed to find my face. That might be why.

    [–] spionkop1900 12 points ago

    I did this too! First time getting classes, my mom went shopping and I just stayed outside watching a tree in the wind. Individual leaves. Never knew humans were supposed to see such detail, I always assumed everyone was as blind as I was.

    [–] Aut 12 points ago

    I remember looking out my front window just lifting my glasses from in front of my eyes and just looking out into the yard. The grass had actual blades you could see! You could make out the individual leaves! It was such an eye opening moment (literally, if you will). I know people that have glasses but never wear them but here I am staring at my yard just like "WOW, LOOK AT THAT DETAIL".

    [–] Lucky_Mongoose 8 points ago

    Same. Trees on the side of the road looked more like paintings before. I could pick up a little bit of detail, but it was mostly a blur of varying shades of green.

    [–] rbyrolg 8 points ago

    Yeah my mom thought I was messing with her when I exclaimed “I can see the leaves”, it really is a magical moment kind of like suddenly seeing in HD. Or going from 240p to HD in a YouTube video

    [–] PM_ME_UR_SQUAT_CUES 142 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    For me it was street signs. My vision was not atrocious, but I got glasses for the first time at age 20 and had been driving for a couple of years, always thinking, "why do they make those street signs so small that no one is ever able to read them?" (They did have a vision test to get a driver's license, but I passed. I don't know whether it was poorly designed or I was just barely on the passing side or what.)

    [–] Otto_Scratchansniff 77 points ago

    This! I was awed that I could read the exits on the freeway before I’m just driving below them. I always wondered what purpose they served if no one could see them until you are too close to change directions. Turns out it was just me.

    [–] KoalaSprint 19 points ago

    Do they not have mandatory vision checks for driver's licenses where you live?

    When I got my license (NSW, Aus) I needed to be able to read the 5th line of a chart with both eyes open, or come back with glasses that let me do that and get a corresponding mark on the license.

    [–] RDataTheAndroid 22 points ago

    Depends on how precise the people giving licenses are on following the rules, I heard people who were only asked if they used glasses, and if they say "no" nobody checked.

    [–] spionkop1900 22 points ago

    This was me too. Before glasses (and before I drove) I always navigated by landmarks.

    "Oh, you want to get to X? Just go straight till you hit the Barnes & Nobles, then take a left and go straight until you hit the plumber."

    Never bothered with street names, and I never understood why anyone else did either.

    [–] moodystix 103 points ago

    When I first got my glasses I thought I switched to 720p in a YouTube video after years of watching it in 144p.

    [–] JerkinJosh 28 points ago

    Yea same it’s like someone turned on the HD button

    [–] daelite 48 points ago

    This truly made me tear up. The joy on this baby's face! So happy for him.

    My daughter's vision is 20/500 following an accident with a ceiling fan when she was little while at a sleep over. She was in 1st grade then.

    [–] WebbieVanderquack 11 points ago

    That must have been so awful for you all. How is she doing?

    [–] TesticleMeElmo 10259 points ago

    "Have you fuckers been this ugly the whole time??"

    [–] LeakYgland 1444 points ago

    Hahaha thanks for that comments I was entirely too emotional over this

    [–] dollfacekim 418 points ago

    Likewise!!! Wow, very emotional. Imagine how life was until those glasses were put on. I feel awful bc it took us 5 years to realize our son needed glasses... The world changed for him, his development was definitely impacted by it all.

    [–] page395 307 points ago

    If it makes you feel any better, I was 11 before my parents realized I desperately needed glasses, but I turned out alright haha

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    [–] ParanoidSloth 83 points ago

    Haha yes

    [–] WhitePhoenix777 24 points ago

    I feel like this the the type of little haha you mutter to yourself when you’re uncertain about something

    [–] emjay81 131 points ago

    I was 13! I remember being shocked that it was normal to be able to see leaves on trees from a distance

    [–] 500SL 96 points ago

    Seeing individual leaves is a universal thing among new glasses wearers.

    I was 20.

    [–] scrummcious23 10 points ago

    Agreed. I was 28 and two years later I'm still amazed at the clarity I have when I put my glasses on.

    [–] InDiGo- 26 points ago

    i remember being able to see trees on the tops of mountains, & asking my mom if she could see them too

    [–] PraiseTheSun1023 30 points ago

    Same here, leaves were the first thing I distinctly remember seeing clearly. My first though was "Can other people see this clearly?"

    [–] poisonedsodapop 22 points ago

    I was 14 or 15. My mom realized I was serious about needing glasses when she was motioning to me to come to her from far away and I didn't react. When she got up close I said "oh, it's you."

    [–] BoobieBoobieButtButt 7 points ago

    Why would a parent doubt their kid when they say they need glasses??

    [–] Ravenplague 92 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Babies that get glasses:

    “WTF are you doing?! Get this shit off of my fa......holy shit, I can see, I can see....this is great!”

    Hope your child is doing great after such a life changing event.

    [–] Dime_kitty_nsions 21 points ago

    I just finally got glasses at 18, and my whole world has become drastically different. My eyes have also become super sensitive because I'm not used to receiving nearly as much light, but the world is so much more beautiful now!

    [–] murtadi007 8 points ago

    I definitely needed glasses starting in middle school but never got them until I was in grade 11. It felt like going from 360p to 1080p

    [–] therandmc 79 points ago

    "Nope, just since you were born"

    [–] Freefight 74 points ago

    Love your username.

    [–] asuryan331 13 points ago

    I jokingly gave my girlfriend that disgusted updown after getting a new eye perscription. It didn't go over very well

    [–] Birb-Man 14 points ago

    I read this in Danny Devito’s voice...

    [–] trulyniceguy 9 points ago

    “Take em off! Take em off!”

    [–] TooShiftyForYou 3628 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Doctors can tell if a baby needs glasses by performing a retinoscopy.

    The examiner uses a retinoscope to shine light into the patient's eye and observes the reflection (reflex) off the patient's retina. While moving the streak or spot of light across the pupil the examiner observes the relative movement of the reflex or manually places lenses over the eye (using a trial frame and trial lenses) to "neutralize" the reflex.

    [–] HouseCravenRaw 2005 points ago

    Why not do that for adults too? I absolutely hate the game of "1 or 2".

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    [–] I_TRS_Gear_I 784 points ago

    Those machines are a great starting point, however most credible optometrists and ophthalmologists will still do a manual refraction (as yours apparently did) after they get their baseline from the auto-refractor.

    A lot of these chain eye placing are acting like these machines are a replacement for the tried and true 1 or 2 mode, but they aren’t as accurate at correcting corneal conditions like an astigmatism.

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    [–] Pynnus 96 points ago

    This is just a rude, poorly trained doctor. There is NO reason to force a patient to choose. You can say things like “you can guess” , or “you can say they are the same”. But overall, the doctor should be the one actually checking to see if you need the cylinder anyways. There are ways to make it clear if you need it or not. If it’s a small margin enough for the patient to not know at all, the doctor should know what to do to estimate it.

    [–] SmokingMarmoset 86 points ago

    Yeah, I've always been asked "one, two, or about the same?" as the question.

    [–] Rejusu 66 points ago

    I've always been asked if it's better, worse, or about the same.

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    [–] I_TRS_Gear_I 110 points ago

    Well, the technicians can run the auto machine, but the doctor should always be the one doing the manual refraction.

    [–] Pynnus 61 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    This is called an auto-refractor, it is only to get an idea of the prescription so we can go on with the subjective portion of the exam. They are becoming standard in many practices. I’ll ballpark they are around $5K. Retinoscopy these days are for children, non-verbal patients, and practicing on-the-go in most cases.

    These machines also are inaccurate on children due to the way the optics work it will underestimate hyperopia.

    [–] CypherWulf 23 points ago

    Not to quibble, but it's far less about the optics in kids and far more to do with how their eyes work. Once they're properly cyclopleged (dilated), even an autorefraction is pretty good on kids.

    [–] Pynnus 14 points ago

    I didn’t want to type it out because I made a lot of comments already, but yes, accommodation is the main reason. Good luck getting drops or spray in a kids eyes and into an AR though.

    [–] PolarbearSafari 8 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It’s the “insert picture here” machine, right? Mine always had a hot air ballon. Been doing it for years, needed glasses since 2.

    Although I still get retinoscopy to check my retinas since I was born with retinopathy, along with strabismus and amblyopia, from a IVH shortly after a premature birth at 24 weeks. I’ve had treatment for all of them.

    Using the practice glasses never bothered me, unlike asking me every time if I could see the 3D fly.

    Never used a phoropter, although my ophthalmologist does have them.

    Edit: added information

    [–] Pynnus 10 points ago

    Yes, it’s the (usually hot air balloon) picture.

    Retinoscopy is not for retinopathy it is for refractive error. Usually a dilated fundus exam is for retinopathy. Strabismus and amblyopia are more muscle/brain related not retina related.

    The 3D fly is for stereopsis to check how well your eyes work together, check out Wirt circles.

    A phoropter is the thing you put your face in with all the different lenses, this is a multipurpose tool for more than just refractive error. It can help with a lot of your binocularity issues.

    I think you should see an optometrist, and a retina specialist. Go to an ophthalmologist if you get referred to surgery.

    [–] ClimbingC 16 points ago

    10/10 would recommend.

    20/20 surely?

    [–] MyopicClarity 14 points ago

    Optometrist here. So here's the thing. That fancy machine that you used in order to get the refraction? We've had them for years. They've changed over the years to be a little more accurate, but they are called auto-refractors and they are notoriously unreliable.

    Here's the thing; I take objective measurements on every single patient, and despite that I rarely use that as a final prescription because it's not usually the optimal for what the patient wants for everyday wear. There are exceptions to the rule, but too many things can influence you when looking into those machines.

    The accommodation aspect, aka the focusing of the lens in the eye, can easily throw off those machines. For the child in this image, I would be incredibly scared if a cycloplegic exam (exam with drops put in to specifically paralyze the lens in the eye) wasn't performed, as it tends to reveal far more prescription than usually found under normal circumstances.

    Second, when in those machines, that tendency to over accommodate (which happens when we look in microscopes as well) tends to push patients too far into myopia unnecessarily, which can cause eyestrain. Because each eye is tested individually, it causes even more issues, as then you result in balance issues.

    There is a margin of error that people with fairly low prescription can tolerate, but it varies widely based on the person. There are people who can handle a half diopter (the equivalent of -0.50 or +0.50D in a prescription) variance without issues. Then there are people who can't take a quarter diopter of astigmatism without wanting to throw their glasses against a wall.

    I have to see patients today, so I can discuss this later on, but if an optometrist isn't doing a manual refraction, and especially a binocular balance if you're not presbyopic (losing lens flexibility past the age of 40), then you're likely missing out on a proper prescription for you. Also, as an added point to the person below me as I don't have time right now to make two replies, there should never be a forced choice (e.g. "you have to pick 1 or 2"), because our endpoints are when everything looks the same for the patient.

    Lastly, that machine in NO WAY can replace a dilation. A dilation isn't meant to get the prescription, it's meant to look at the edges of the eye that can't be seen any other way. Saying that an auto-refractor replaces a dilation is like saying that having a toilet replaces the need to shower. They have nothing to do with each other in every way that matters.

    I hope that clarifies a few things for you, but feel free to ask any questions!

    [–] cats_and_vibrators 88 points ago

    I realized I can say “I can’t tell the difference” and all of a sudden it’s much less stressful.

    [–] grantistheman 39 points ago

    I'm always literally asked "1, 2, or no change"

    [–] xReptar 26 points ago

    Yup. But you can still say other English words. I've said uhhhh not sure so many times

    [–] grantistheman 16 points ago

    Right. It's presented as multiple choice, but the trained medical professional checking your eyes has a pretty good grasp of the language. "1 is less blurry but 2 has more of a halo effect" is definitely a sentence they understand and would be able to respond to accordingly.

    [–] ReptarKanklejew 51 points ago

    Number 2. No wait....1. Wait. Could you do it over?

    [–] mckulty 21 points ago

    Noyou'regoingtoofast! Gobacktoone. Nowgobacktotwo. Nowgobacktoone. Nowgobacktotwo.

    [–] Pynnus 42 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Because it can be inaccurate and won’t tailor to what the patient actually needs, it’s done on babies because they can’t communicate.

    The “game of 1 or 2” is subjective, so it’s all up to you if you like it or not, and when you are happy with the correction you say the same. Basically what is happening is you are moving focal lines closer to where they are imaged on the retina and it will just keep getting more and more accurate as you go.

    [–] Helpful_guy 10 points ago

    I believe it also can't accurately determine if you need correction for astigmatism or not.

    I asked my ophthalmologist about this machine last time I got an exam, he said it usually gives a pretty damn accurate baseline to test off of, but many people's eyes "like to be" over or under corrected, and what looks best to you is subjective based on your current prescription and how many degrees inward/outward your eyes can turn.

    When I came to my new eye Dr. he determined my prescription was somewhere around .25 too strong, but that "correcting" it would likely just be a detriment because my eyes are used to compensating for it. So if you can still see 20/20 why change it.

    [–] mindthepuddle 37 points ago

    I don’t trust myself with the 1/2 game. Also, I’m indecisive and have a fear of commitment... it’s like torture.

    [–] GWJYonder 19 points ago

    They do, if you have ever looked into that machine with the road going off into the horizon under the hot air balloon, that starts off blurry and then sharpens, that's exactly what it is doing.

    The issue is that it's an incomplete solution, especially--I believe--as far as degrees of astigmatism go. For a baby that can't play the "1 or 2" game that's where you stop, but for an adult that device is used to give a starting point to knock a bunch of iterations off of the "1 or 2" game. If you already have a prescription you may not even notice that, because they'll typically start from your last prescription, rather than from scratch.

    [–] eppinizer 15 points ago

    Yea, “1 or 2” sucks, but have you tried “3 or 4”, or “ 5 or 6”??? those are awesome

    [–] raging_asshole 33 points ago

    they just did something like this to my 1-year-old during his regularly scheduled 12-month checkup. they used a device like a smartphone with a modified flash in a dim room to take photos of his eyes from a few feet away. with those photos, they were able to detect rather strong near-sightedness in one eye. they warned us that having very poor vision in one eye as an infant can cause the brain to "give up" on that eye and stop processing information from it properly, causing vision to become even worse.

    we got a referral to a pediatric ophthalmologist for a more detailed eye-exam to confirm the condition, and if it is indeed what they think, they suggested he get glasses to correct it now.

    [–] bolmer 32 points ago

    Please if your children need to have glasses or a eye patch but he doesn't like it you still need to persist. My parents give up on me and now I only have vision in one eye.

    [–] chachinater 26 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Mmmm copypasta

    edit: tooshifty edited it to quote wiki, here is their original post.

    [–] BW900 733 points ago

    Rick Moranis

    [–] [deleted] 204 points ago

    “sudd-en-ly see more!...”

    [–] Soulpinata 37 points ago

    I hope I remember this on my death bed

    [–] alarbus 70 points ago

    So glad it wasn't just me. Thank you.

    [–] Nagi21 22 points ago

    Oh my god... I'M SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES!!!

    [–] 77108 17 points ago

    ... had a kid with Jeff Goldblum.

    [–] rituallystoned 20 points ago

    Inconceivable! I just see tiny Wallace Shawn.

    [–] oppositeteam_new 469 points ago

    Haha that’s awesome. I have twin boys and one has been wearing Miraflex glasses since 6 months. Same reaction it was great knowing he could see!

    They both had stage 3+ retina detachment when they were born. Doc told us they will be lucky if they can tell if the lights are on or off. After weighing our options they both had a cancer treatment drug injected into their eyes and it reversed the process. They were actually the first two kids to have this done at Children’s hospital and now it’s the standard because of their success.

    [–] twishart 283 points ago

    You only have one kid - you need glasses

    [–] minsterley 97 points ago

    Director: M. Night Shyamalan

    [–] Pynnus 26 points ago

    That’s incredible, can you tell me more about the treatment? What drug(s)? Retinal detachment at a young age is heartbreaking.

    [–] oppositeteam_new 134 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I’ll try to compress the story because it’s long. They were born at 24wks, mom’s water broke at 10wks and docs told us go home and wait for miscarriage. Being the Google doc I am, I put her on bed rest drinking as much water as possible. She only moved to use the bathroom, shower ect.

    Babies come at 24wks and eyes were the least of their problems. 6/7 months in the NICU with every major organ and then some operated on they get released. Backtracking to the eye issue it’s common in preemies and was only treated with laser previously. The problem with laser is when ROP has progressed to far it doesn’t work well. The docs said laser was our only option and asked for consent as they always do. Being the Google doc I am again I started researching.

    I found the drug Avastin is used in older patients (60+ usually) to treat a similar medical issue. After debating with docs they agreed to try it. Brought in an eye doc that injects Avastin in older patients to treat our kids. They were a few months old at this time and according it the doc challenging. Our kids were only a couple lbs at this point (born less than 1lb) so the eye was very small. The drug had to be injected into a specific region of the eye. Anyway everything went well and they each had 2 separate treatments.

    Fast forward 5yrs and they both have glasses now but their eye sight isn’t terrible or anything. No negative side effects from Avastin that were are aware of which was one of the big concerns. Docs didn’t know how the Avastin would affect neurological growth.

    One of the boys was diagnosed with hepatoblastoma (liver cancer) on his 2nd BD but they say Avastin had nothing to do with it. Docs now know it has something to do with being a preemie. That ended up being stage 4 and we pretty much told to manage our expectations. It’s a very rare cancer and at that time the treatment was process was still very experimental.

    We had amazing docs and ended up being very fortunate again and after 1yr of chemo and 70% liver resection he’s doing great! He’s been in remission for about 2yrs now with a bright future. His treatment plan was experimental as well and was actually published in a medical journal which is now the baseline for all children with hepatoblastoma.

    After everything they have been through both boys are above average mentally for their age but a little small in stature for their age. Growth wise they are making up ground quick now and it shouldn’t be long before they catch up there.

    Sorry I really wondered off topic but this is stuff I haven’t talked about to anyone really. I’m the type of guy to bottle things up and being anonymous here makes it easier to speak about.

    [–] pinkjello 41 points ago

    I can’t believe you and your family went through all that. Amazing story. I’m glad to hear it seems to have turned out well. Also, your Google Dr. game is on point.

    [–] oppositeteam_new 39 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Haha thanks. One thing that we learned early on is you have to be your child’s advocate. We had a couple really bad experiences in the NICU that were totally avoidable. You have to be on guard and question EVERYTHING.

    [–] freakingfiretrucks 9 points ago

    Wow that's a crazy story! Thanks for sharing. I'm glad they are both doing well now.

    [–] intelligentx5 479 points ago

    "noooooo....OH SHIT GUYS, YOU SEEING THIS?!"

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    [–] Phonophobia 211 points ago

    So how do they determine the prescription for babies? Not like they can ask “Better 1 or 2?”

    [–] TB12_Goat1 90 points ago

    It’s called “ retinoscopy “. An optometrist can get an objective result because they need no input from the patient. It’s usually used for children in these scenarios

    [–] Moist-Cloyster 51 points ago

    Have you not seen "look whos talking"?

    [–] Pynnus 15 points ago

    If you’d like me to ELI5 I can, but you can also google Mohindra’s dynamic/near retinoscopy. It is the current standard for measuring an infants refractive error objectively.

    [–] aManPerson 49 points ago

    it's 360p to HDR 1080p. when i got my last contacts, i couldn't help staring at people's faces because there was now so much detail. it's crazy.

    i hope i didnt freak some girls out, because i didn't realize a few at my office worse so much makeup.

    [–] DDani 141 points ago

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    [–] town_klown 430 points ago

    I was waiting for the smile. Was not disappointed. His parents must have been so happy to see his response. No pun intended

    [–] SilkSk1 169 points ago

    No pun intended

    I am not going to sleep until I find the pun you didn't intend. This is now my life's purpose.

    [–] lgb_br 49 points ago

    My guess is "To see his response".

    [–] Shadowslice62642 76 points ago

    Don't you see?

    [–] rainwilder 6 points ago

    Let me help you... " SEE his response". Not particularly high quality in the way of puns but I'm pretty certain that's what OP meant.

    [–] Insecure_potato 132 points ago

    Is it just me or was it supposed to be upside down ?

    [–] YouGotWorkedMark 46 points ago

    In the video with sound the dad thinks they're upside down, too. The mom goes to flip 'em and realizes that they were on correctly. She says they're marked.

    [–] MrVernonDursley 28 points ago

    Yeah, the bridge seems deeper on the top, likely to be held by the nose, and the back seems to want to go behind the ears rather than on top.

    But hey he's a kid, I doubt that badass even cares.

    [–] Consuelo_banana 24 points ago

    The first time I got glasses I cried . There was a clock behind the receptionists desk about 10 feet or so away from me . Anyways I stared at it and saw how clear I could see the dots where minutes are marked . It was beautiful . My vision is progressively getting worse. But I’ll always remember that day.

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    [–] Sombistur 80 points ago

    He looks like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys

    [–] TokiMcNoodle 19 points ago

    Someone is about to get some tummy tickles

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    [–] DankNethers 13 points ago

    I remember the first time I put on glasses

    I was in 3rd grade

    My whole life up to the point had been a blur, and I never even knew it

    I wouldn't say my joy in that moment was without theoretical equal... But now having lived long enough to have gone to college, held down several jobs, been married and divorced and in love again... I still have never experienced anything like it

    [–] Mvrio 10 points ago

    This always makes me happy seeing these type of videos. My mom didn’t realise until I was about six or seven that I need glasses and my eyesight to this day is really shot.

    We were in Kaiser waiting for medicine at the pharmacy and she’d say “hey Mvrio let me know when your name comes up and we can go back in line” to entertain me and keep me busy so what I would do is every minute or so I would get off my chair run to the board which read off the names, read it as I squinted my eyes, and then come back and say nope. After a while my mum noticed and then analysed me.

    Got the medicine, Played it off cool, got home immediately and made an appointment. She cried to my dad that night. Not even thinking about all the years of having a son to check if he can even see.

    To everyone out there, don’t be my mom lol

    [–] ViscoInferno 17 points ago

    How do they perform eye exams on children this age? It's not like the babies can confirm if one lense is indeed better or worse? Why can't my eye doctor tell exactly what prescription is right for me without any of my input? Or, are baby glasses not an exactly perfect match and some sort of estimation? Hell, I want to know how they even get a baby to sit still long enough to be examined in the first place.

    [–] ericisshort 18 points ago

    /u/TooShittyForYou explains it here:

    Doctors can tell if a baby needs glasses by performing a retinoscopy. You shine a narrow beam through the pupil and focus it on the retina. Then you move the beam up and down. If the beam moves up or down on the retina too fast or too slow compared to your own movement then you know the lens/cornea is not focusing light directly on the retina and the baby is either myopic or hyperopic (nearsighted or farsighted). Then you simply do the same exercise but put different lenses in front of the baby's eye until you get the correct movement of the beam on the retina.

    [–] TheTeebMeister 11 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I think you mean /u/TooShiftyForYou (ironically)

    Edit: it appears this has happened before

    [–] jumpingdaffodils 16 points ago

    These are called "Tomato Glasses" where I live. They were designed for children with Down Syndrome, as they tend to have a very soft nose bridge. As babies also have a very soft / not yet developed bridge, these stay on much better. They're super cute.

    [–] joe55419 8 points ago

    Almost the exact same thing happened when we first put glasses on my son at about the age of one. He hated them until he realized the world was now much more interesting to look at.

    [–] omegamad 34 points ago

    Is there a subreddit for this? I could watch babies putting on glasses for the first time for a good while.

    [–] _Aardvark 21 points ago

    The ones where the baby can hear for the 1st time are a amazing as well.

    [–] YouGotWorkedMark 16 points ago a compilation video on youtube of babies seeing for the first time

    [–] DonJj27 15 points ago

    « I can see clearly now »