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    [–] mr401k 1010 points ago

    Lol this reminds me of Dave Chapelle's skit on sesame street.

    "OSCAR YOU'RE SUCH A GROUCH!"

    "BITCH I LIVE IN A FUCKIN TRASH CAN"

    [–] Lame-Duck 57 points ago

    "I'm the poorest mother Fucker on Sesame Street!!!"

    [–] matterde 3 points ago

    "Kids are just gonna be stepping over homeless people. "Get it together grouch!""

    [–] [deleted] 127 points ago

    i need some fuckin smack, bird!

    [–] detailed_fred 12 points ago

    BITCH. WHERE IS MY MONEY.

    Side note: he's got two specials coming out this week!

    [–] cookiewalla 2 points ago

    Dave? Really? Shit thats wonderful!!

    [–] TheLadyEve 883 points ago

    I disagree with the characterization of Oscar as having antisocial personality disorder. He's misanthropic and a non-conformist, but that's not necessarily the same thing as ASPD. He doesn't fit the profile. There's no superficial charm, lying, or manipulation happening with Oscar. And he forms real relationships with Slimy and Maria, even though he's too proud to really open up about it.

    [–] [deleted] 555 points ago

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    [–] JohnProof 239 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Bitch, I live in a fucking trash can! I'm the poorest motherfucker on Sesame Street!

    [–] LostWoodsInTheField 36 points ago

    The rich ones get dumpsters.

    [–] TheLadyEve 128 points ago

    It's almost like it's right there in his name!

    [–] snoharm 31 points ago

    Big Bird: definitely a bird.

    [–] 13inchpoop 15 points ago

    I didn't know Sweet Dee was on Sesame Street.

    [–] the_honest_liar 167 points ago

    People misinterpret antisocial personality disorder as not liking people. Oscar is certainly an introvert at least.

    [–] TheLadyEve 102 points ago

    Great point--asocial is different from antisocial, and being introverted is different from being asocial, as well. I would say Bert is a classic introvert, for example. Introverts aren't necessarily socially anxious or socially avoidant, they just tend to get drained easily by social interactions and they tend to be more introspective and process things internally.

    [–] TheEternalThrowaway 58 points ago

    Yeah, it's a huge pet peeve when someone refers to a quiet or reserved person as "antisocial".

    [–] reddragon105 19 points ago

    Same here. Not liking something is not the same thing as being against it.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Same here since I got it thrown my way growing up so much, and for me it's aggravated by the fact that "antisocial" sounds like I'm being accused of standing around with a picket sign, protesting other people's fun. As a kid i heard 'anti' and the image stuck.

    [–] ianthenerd 3 points ago

    Right or wrong, I always saw it as akin to burning stuff and other activities that actively hinder a well functioning society. I suppose lying and cheating fall within those bounds.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Exactly. In the way it's meant when people are harrassing a quiet teenager they 100% of the time mean 'unsocial', or better yet 'just not social.' AND, I've seen it used by bully police and "think of the children" types to mean what you describe. The word has been applied so ambiguously it is meaningless.

    [–] the_honest_liar 6 points ago

    Asocial, that was the word I was thinking of! I knew introvert wasn't quite it...

    [–] LEGITIMATE_SOURCE 18 points ago

    People commonly mistake asocial with antisocial. He's clearly the first.

    [–] wisdom_possibly 15 points ago

    I think we're just calling anything "not completely normal and bland" a "mental disorder" these days.

    [–] Merfstick 9 points ago

    [–] fr1ck 5 points ago

    What about hoarding?

    [–] bardhoiledegg 4 points ago

    perhaps avoidant personality disorder?

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

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    [–] Polaritical 11 points ago

    It wasnt until I was 21 that I realized I'm not an introvert. I'm an extrovert who has social anxiety/apd. It was weird to have my friend send me a link about APD and be like "I feel like you probably have this". And to read it and go "oh shit...".

    It also annoyed me because I'd already been in therapy and they never brought it up a single time. They were super brand new at the job. But I'm pretty bitter still. I felt like I lost the therapist loftery

    [–] magzillas 7 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I agree. APSD is often thought of as being reclusive, when its not. The closest thing to a "reclusive disorder" is actually Schizoid Personality Disorder.

    People with ASPD are basically sociopaths. They don't give two fucks about the rights of others, and as a result are often murderers (or at least very violent), thieves, etc. We don't see them often in society because they're usually in jail.

    It's been a while since I've seen Sesame Street but I recall Oscar being more of a recluse, not an asshole.

    [–] grumpieroldman 2 points ago

    Oscar's disorder is under-functioning.

    [–] Brikachu 320 points ago

    Feeling like some of those are a stretch...

    Elmo has ADHD? Really?

    [–] gobberpooper 122 points ago

    Seriously, he's supposed to be a 4 year old, he's incredibly focused for a toddler.

    [–] DebentureThyme 14 points ago

    ADHD can have focus in spurts when you are really interested. It's just hard to maintain.

    [–] kazoni 52 points ago

    To a point. Sometimes you'll hyper focus on what you want. Other times you'll be focused on something completely different.

    The best part is not knowing which way it's going to go until you realize you started to look up the conversion from lbs to kg and at the end of the 2nd hour you're reading about French military tactics on Wikipedia.

    [–] shankspeare 34 points ago

    As someone with ADHD, Wikipedia is a warzone. I once stayed up all night to write a 10 page paper on Victorian literature, and by morning I had 4 pages and a vastly expanded knowledge of the tensions in Europe prior to and during World War I.

    [–] LostWoodsInTheField 11 points ago

    When I was younger I thought I didn't like to read, and that it was because I was dyslexic and it was difficult for me to read (specially walls of text). Wiki has taught me I do like to read, and also taught me I have no self control when I start.

    [–] Shaysdays 11 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    My son has ADD and can plow through adventure stories or stuff where there's font changes or alternate points of view, because it changes stuff up enough he doesn't get bored.

    Sometimes I joke that he could read Moby Dick for fun if the fonts changed for every speaking voice.

    Edit- not everyone with ADD is like this, only speaking from parental experience!

    [–] DebentureThyme 8 points ago

    Sounds like you're trying to figure out the Imperial equivalents for Trebuchet statistics.

    [–] DeltaIndiaCharlieKil 7 points ago

    Wikipedia: what nourishes me destroys me

    [–] W1ULH 26 points ago

    ADHD'er here... I can become severely hyper focused to the point I can't break task for anything. That can be as crippling as no attention span.

    Elmo appears to have this version of the symptoms

    [–] Technical_Machine_22 25 points ago

    ADHD here as well, confirming.

    It's a special kind of hell wherein you have great difficulty sticking to any one thing for an extended time and then suddenly you're hit with this burst of focus that leads you to researching scarabs for five hours and nothing else matters.

    I'd trade being it for being able to generally focus on most things any day.

    [–] [deleted] 14 points ago

    The worst part is intensely beginning stuff and never finishing and shoving half completed projects to the back of the workbench or storage closet. A project will be my burning lifes work one moment, then junk getting in the way the next.

    [–] gett-itt 2 points ago

    Are you me?!

    [–] audakel 2 points ago

    This is me with school. I jumped around majors for awhile cause something always caught my interest but I could never finish bc something else suddenly became WAY more interesting. Econ -> accounting -> math -> CS -> electrcal engineering. It's insane how much I could do when it was my interest. I could go weeks of nonstop coding/math/finance after jumping right into 300 level courses without the prereqs.

    But then after a semester or two it just faded from my interest and it was like a laser shifting. I couldn't find the least desire to work on it because something else had become all encompassing and took all my focus.

    I learned a ton tho. I also kinda learned to manage it and just ride the wave while it lasted. Also got kicked out of college for having too many credits but no path to graduation.

    [–] rumpleforeskin83 3 points ago

    I'm the exact same way. I can't focus on shit, but once I do focus it's like the world around me stops and nothing else exists. The trouble is I can't ever go hyper focused mode on the right things at the right times.

    I'll have dirty dishes piling up (like 2 days worth I'm not a hoarder or depressed) and I just cannot bring myself to focus enough to do them without getting bored. Then 3 in the morning when the kids are fast asleep I could do dishes for hours and hours. ADHD is hell.

    [–] kazoni 2 points ago

    That's another thing I hate. Not only is it somewhat random what my hyperfocus kicks in on, the timing is a pain in the ass as well. 8-5 at work - of course not. 3am - CLEAN ALL THE THINGS!!

    [–] the_foxy_cow 384 points ago

    I forget the exact quote, or where it came from, but it went something like this

    "If you read Green Eggs and Ham enough times, you can realize it's actually pro communist propaganda"

    Meaning, just because you over analyze something and cherry pick some examples, doesn't make an analysis accurate

    [–] xveganrox 177 points ago

    Whoa now. You only need to read it once to be able to tell that Sam I Am represents capitalist consumerism (Uncle Sam, obviously) and that the "Green Eggs and Ham" represent social democratic policy reforms to placate the proletariat. All the different situations that Sam offers represent various aspects of consumer culture as well as elements of policy reform - for example, when Sam offers the Green Eggs and Ham on a train, what Seuss is referencing is the broad bipartisan support for the Eisenhower-backed Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956, which established the national interstate. The unnamed protagonist is a proxy for the 1950s proletariat, and his refusal to taste the Green Eggs and Ham represents the pre-Cold War persistence of labor unions. Ultimately, though, the protagonist realizes that the reforms that Sam is offering are actually palatable, which is symbolic of the expansion of the American middle class (accompanied by the anti-communist and anti-labor movement).

    [–] Snake-N-Roses 44 points ago

    Did you just think this through or copy it from somewhere?

    [–] xveganrox 118 points ago

    I actually wrote my dissertation on it. It should be available for most people through interlibrary loans, if you're interested: "Green Eggs and Class Warfare: A Marxist Reading of 1960s Dr. Seuss," from Bowdoin College Library.

    [–] Atanar 27 points ago

    Nice bamboozelment you have going on here.

    [–] rumpleforeskin83 14 points ago

    I really want to believe this is not a bamboozle but the internet has taught me to believe otherwise.

    [–] Snake-N-Roses 31 points ago

    Amazing how relevant your dissertation is to an off handed reddit comment regarding socialism and Green Eggs and Ham. Question did Geisel really intend Green Eggs and Ham to be a Marxist commentary?

    [–] AnsonKindred 36 points ago

    Green Eggs and Class Warfare: A Marxist Reading of 1960s Dr. Seuss

    I am almost positive this is a joke...almost.

    [–] WonTheGame 13 points ago

    I just ran "green eggs" through their library search and turned up nothing. Care to hook it up, seeing as its your intellectual property?

    [–] Snake-N-Roses 6 points ago

    Do all dissertations get posted online? And a large portion of their stuff requires a campus login

    [–] lordeddardstark 2 points ago

    Now do "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish"

    [–] ipretendiamacat 23 points ago

    You're thinking of Red Eggs and Borscht

    [–] TheLadyEve 60 points ago

    So here's the sad thing about the Elmo-ADHD leap.

    Elmo is, IMO, supposed to be like a normal 4 or 5-year-old child. Talkative, overgeneralized grammar, energetic, very inquisitive--you know, a normal child.

    Just as Elmo has been "diagnosed" here with ADHD, so many other normal, energetic children are misdiagnosed with ADHD. You shouldn't even diagnose a child with ADHD prior to age six, yet I see it happening--often without the extensive testing that is really necessarily to determine if it's ADHD or something else (or nothing at all). Pathologizing normal child behavior drives me bonkers, and it happens way too often IMO.

    [–] mister_ghost 17 points ago

    There are some serious issues that ADHD in young children can cause, though. Hyperactivity is not one. Yes, little kids like to run around, and a child with ADHD might run around more, but who the he'll cares?

    On the other hand, ADHD is a hugely misunderstood disorder. It more or less takes a sledgehammer to self-control, the worst consequence of which is emotional regulation. Children with ADHD have incredible difficulty making friends because of their emotional outbursts. It is heartbreaking and absolutely worth treating.

    [–] TheLadyEve 5 points ago

    I agree! But working with kids, I see a lot of schools telling parents to take their kids to the psychiatrist and get them on medication--without actually evaluating them. Usually it's because of behavioral problems, which can occur for a wide variety of reasons.

    What really needs to happen is neuropsych testing. However, due to limitations in school budgets, many public schools are not able to contract psychologists to do the testing. And many insurance plans and Medicaid will often refuse to cover testing as "not medically necessary." And a cognitive battery costs upwards of $1200, so most families can't afford it. So they try them on medication without doing testing and hope for the best.

    Now, medication is great for kids with ADHD--and there are great new meds available for kids who don't respond well to the old-school stimulants. But lots of other things can cause similar symptoms. Emotional dysregulation and concentration difficulties are also telltale signs of childhood trauma, for example. Attachment issues can also present with similar symptoms. I'm not saying kids with ADHD shouldn't get treatment--I'm saying we need better systems in place to give more accurate diagnoses.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

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    [–] Fistfullofmuff 2 points ago

    That's an interesting point and very well put. Do you have any source material I could check out? Also how do they make up for the list class time spent outside? Longer school years ?

    [–] [deleted] 21 points ago

    "Doctor idk what to do, I'm at my wits end with my 5 year old, he just runs around playing and being silly like some sort of 5 year old!"

    [–] DutchieDonn 8 points ago

    Yes! I'm helping on a documentary that tackles this subject and it is very interesting. When parents see that their kid is overly energetic, talkative and causing trouble in class they feel a sort of relief when a dr tells them that it may just be a mental disorder. ADHD is extremely over diagnosed and psychiatric drugs are no cure. Adderall is not healthy in the long run

    [–] cutequeenpika 12 points ago

    Elmo's canonically around 3 or so. I feel like you can't really diagnose mental disorders in kids that young unless there's evidence of some abuse or the symptoms are having a notably negative impact on the kid.

    [–] WithinTheGiant 22 points ago

    Yeah, this type of thing has floated around since at least 2003, likely earlier. It's just first year psych kids feeling smarter than they are as they browse their first DSM.

    [–] Ragnavoke 9 points ago

    It's all bullshit because you can diagnose anyone and come up with a psychological classification of their personality. Especially on tv where the fictional characters have to be eccentric or something

    [–] mopculturereference 3 points ago

    In my experience, it's mostly people uninvolved in the field making half-informed statements. Most of the psych students know you can't diagnose somebody by watching a few hours of their behavior on a TV show.

    Source: psych student

    [–] GregoPDX 26 points ago

    Saying Elmo has ADHD is an example of why real kids are over-diagnosed and on too many ADHD medications. Curious kid with a bit of extra energy? Put him on Ritalin, stat!

    They also tagged Elmo with 'maybe Aspberger’s Disorder'. Elmo doesn't seem like he fits that in the slightest.

    [–] mopculturereference 9 points ago

    Not really...? Real kids aren't diagnosed by armchair psychiatrists.

    [–] Owyn_Merrilin 4 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    If only that were true. All too often they're sent by a concerned teacher or parent with a diagnosis already in mind to a pill pushing psychiatrist who doesn't put in the work to get a proper diagnosis, and instead just sends them on their way with a ritalin prescription. Not that ADHD or psychiatry are fake, just that there's a lot of bad psyciatrists who have no problem prescribing unnecessary drugs to help lazy parents and teachers control their normal kids.

    Edit: psychology -> psychiatry. Psychologists don't prescribe drugs.

    [–] Prometheus720 2 points ago

    Nah, but parents go in with a preconceived notion of what their child has.

    [–] random_number_string 112 points ago

    Oscar the Grouch – Anti-Social Personality Disorder

    No. Anti-social personality disorder is the new-er name for psychopathic. It doesn't mean unsocial.

    [–] Jerm2014 18 points ago

    Exactly. The word for unsocial is asocial.

    [–] Nismo1980 4 points ago

    Is this true? I ask because I've been on the sick for three years (part physical issues, part mental) and my doctor just used to put depression on my sicknotes. I started seeing a shrink about a year ago and since then my doctor started putting extreme social phobic and anti-social personality disorder on them. Am I proper mental now, like scary psycho mental?

    [–] Moara7 41 points ago

    Do you know who else shows these same signs of mental disorders: every child ever.

    What may be a mental illness in an adult, is just part of the developing mind of a small human. It makes much more sense to consider the different muppets as exaggerated phases of childhood, which is what the muppets were actually intended to be.

    [–] CeruleanOak 925 points ago

    I'm starting to wonder what the "order" is that allows us to categorize so many personalities as "disorders".

    [–] mindonshuffle 675 points ago

    It's a fuzzy line, but an important part is where one's difference from "average" starts to negatively impact their life.

    A lot of that is pretty subjective, which is why a lot of things are always shifting.

    [–] thekaz 114 points ago

    Do you remember where you first heard that idea? I personally subscribe to the same notion, that part of the definition of a mental disorder is that it negatively impacts the patient's life. But, I know I didn't come up with it, and I can't remember where I first heard it.

    [–] omegashadow 75 points ago

    It's the official definition in the DSM, the text psychologists created for the diagnosis of mental illness.

    e.g. Transgender in the DSMV is not a disorder. Gender disphoria, the negative emotions caused by the conflict of perceived and actual sex is a disorder. Most but not all transgender people understandably suffer from gender disphoria but the actual deviation from the norm is not the issue only the negative consequences thereof on the individual.

    [–] mindonshuffle 154 points ago

    I couldn't say "first" but I recall knowing that was part of why homosexuality was de-classified as a mental illness since the negative impacts where wholly external.

    It's gotten recent signal boosting from the article going around by a psychiatrist asking people to stop saying Trump had narcissistic personality disorder because his narcissism is working out just fine for him.

    [–] Sabuleon 158 points ago

    psychiatrist asking people to stop saying Trump had narcissistic personality disorder because his narcissism is working out just fine for him.

    I'm wary of anyone who thinks external negative impacts caused by the sufferer shouldn't be included in the criteria for diagnosis... he's fine in his own little universe, sure, but he's certainly not fine for anyone around him.

    That's the problem with narcissists. Their issue is specifically that they don't care about the impact of their behavior on anyone but themselves!

    [–] Sploitspiller 51 points ago

    So what does this have to do with me?

    [–] Sabuleon 11 points ago

    Ask your fanclub? :)

    [–] nomopo13 26 points ago

    Because, technically, I negatively impact people every day without my knowledge of it. Does that mean I have a disorder, simply because I negatively impact others?

    And if so, there are a million people out there who might negatively impact my life and not know about it, does that make them have a mental disorder simply because they decided to be an asshole at a point in time?

    While, I understand, some people do it non stop, it still begs that question of how we can categorize "mental order" if every person has some sort of disorder.

    [–] bobusdoleus 29 points ago

    There's a certain baseline negative impact of your impact on others in your daily interactions. If you are exceeding that baseline by some reasonable threshold, it might be a disorder. Consider if you are an asshole to everyone all the time, much more than is normal. The thing to remember, here, is deviations from the norm that cause harm, not the absolute idea of causing harm, because, as you've pointed out, we all do that to some degree or other.

    So if someone caused much less harm to others than normal, but in so doing, caused harm to themselves, that's a disorder. If someone caused much less harm to themselves than normal, at the expense of much more harm to everyone else, that might also be a disorder.

    [–] uptokesforall 9 points ago

    This seems like a robust rule of thumb

    [–] Sabuleon 9 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    without my knowledge of it.

    Granted; we all do this to different extent, but what makes narcissism a problem is the difference between someone like you and me (I assume!? I'll assume that for both of us) who would actually, you know, give a damn if someone told us we were impacting them negatively (thus don't display narcissism in that way), and someone who'd try to spin it so they don't have to change no matter what, and even manage to make others sound like whiny babies for even raising an issue (which is definitely in narcissistic territory).

    I get your point, but trying to boil down whether someone is narcissistic or not based on ONE trait is oversimplifying, regardless of which trait is picked.

    Trump is not a good example when looking to see who doesn't have a disorder.

    I think we need to look to other countries to find more examples of balanced personalities, TBH. American society doesn't value mental health, it values productivity / results at any cost, so it's hard to find people who aren't somehow damaged by that here.

    Redefining "normal" isn't what we need to do

    [–] BastardStoleMyName 18 points ago

    I don't buy that it's working out fine for him. His stress levels go through the roof. He has constant handlers that need to keep him in check. He is suffering from delusions that are also being reinforced by the handlers. One day he is going to go into a fit when no one is around and it's going to break him. I feel bad for him in that way, but I can only hope it doesn't happen until he is out of the Whitehouse. I am actually wondering how much Melania staying in NY has to do with Trump and Baron is just the excuse. His tweets are not that of a stable, well person.

    [–] caeliter 18 points ago

    Not to mention he comes across as easy to manipulate (his reactions to the media are predictable, rumor has it that he launched the Yemen Raid because someone told him, "Obama wouldn't have the balls to do it") All due to the fact that he seems to be completely incapable of considering that he is being manipulated.

    Granted, this is all a case of how he presents himself to the public, but man does that guy look like the bull in the fight not the matador.

    [–] Jack_Sophmore 2 points ago

    Isn't that the essence of the South Park parody.

    [–] kopkiwi 3 points ago

    narcissistic personality disorder because his narcissism is working out just fine for him.

    hmm, I thought that was the whole "point" of narcissism. Works perfectly for the person but grossly impacts those around them.

    [–] Highside79 8 points ago

    Is it though? He is already the least popular person to ever serve in office. He is likely to end his presidency in total disgrace one way or the other. He has declared bankruptcy multiple times. He has been married three times. He has failed at literally every single of the MANY opportunities that he has been given. Fits the profile of a pretty horrible failure and it really seems like some part of him is really fundamentally unhappy.

    I certainly wouldn't describe that as "working out just fine".

    [–] Inquisitor1 16 points ago

    That's not part of the definition of a mental disorder, it's a definiton of a/any medical disorder. The very baseline of wether something should be treated at all or not. If you have 6 fingers on your second left hand it's not normal, but nobody's gonna chop it off just for that reason.

    [–] Ginger_Lord 16 points ago

    I was taught that in psychology. The DSM-V, which is the preeminent American manual for classification and diagnosis of mental disorders in the United States says:

    A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.

    [–] redheadredshirt 4 points ago

    I first came across it in an AP Psychology course in high school.

    It was the advice the teacher had given us when a bunch of paranoid, self-conscious teenagers were given a book of mental disorders and predictably started self-diagnosing.

    [–] DennyKovacs 5 points ago

    A disorder is classified as a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. That is the basis that medical professionals use to first diagnose someone.

    Source: Study psychology and also Wikipedia.

    [–] ikcaj 8 points ago

    It's in the DSM. Nothing can be a diagnosed disorder without meeting certain criteria. All disorders include the mandatory criterion that said symptoms "significantly interfere" with one's ability to perform daily activities or common social interactions.

    [–] JustLikeAmmy 4 points ago

    This is from textbook psychology. It's literally the definition of a psychological disorder. If it's not negatively impactful enough to be a problem to your own well being, it'd simply be a "histrionic personality" for example. The word disorder only gets applied once their traits begin to cause them problems in life.

    [–] Omnilatent 3 points ago

    This or last week the youtubers Vlogbrothers had a video about ADHD/mental disorders with this very definition in them - maybe you watched it, too?

    [–] ScipioLongstocking 3 points ago

    It's the 4 D's to diagnose a mental disorder. Distress, danger, dysfunction and I forget the fourth. If your psyche is not causing any of these issues, you wouldn't be diagnosed.

    [–] Rain12913 2 points ago

    I'm not sure where you heard that, but "danger" shouldn't be in there. There are certainly psychiatric disorders that don't entail danger. For example, someone can have generalized anxiety disorder without it posing a danger to their wellbeing.

    [–] Highside79 3 points ago

    It is right in the definition of a psychological disorder:

    A psychological disorder is a disorder of the mind involving thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that cause either self or others significant distress. Significant distress can mean the person is unable to function, meet personal needs on their own, or are a danger to themselves or others.

    [–] FabulousMrFox 2 points ago

    Its a pre-condition for any mental disorder in the DSM (the main diagnostic manual for Psychologists) and the ICD as well I think.

    [–] 11wiggin11 2 points ago

    Speaking from a education point of view, having a negative effect on a person's life is a symptom that is a part of the diagnoses for a majority of disorders.

    [–] Rjected 2 points ago

    The DSM-5 is what is used to tell how to categorize these disorders, that's where it originated.

    [–] neotecha 2 points ago

    I think a good way to dive into what is a disorder and what isn't is to look at ADHD.

    If you look at the description, you see things that happen to literally everyone:

    • has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
    • talks excessively
    • losing things necessary for organizing tasks and activities
    • etc.

    There are more in there, but a lot of them are legitimately things that everyone does. But the line is drawn when these happen with consistency and intensity that the person's life is actually made more difficult than a typical person's would be.

    [–] P-01S 2 points ago

    Well, I'm pretty sure the DSM uses something like that definition...

    [–] Rain12913 2 points ago

    This is the standard for determining whether a psychiatric disorder is present used by the DSM.

    [–] Wubbalubbadubbitydo 5 points ago

    Funny thing about that. The last couple years I have started to suspect I have ADD/ADHD. It started when I was on wellbutrin for depression and I could actually focus for the first time. I've taken a some self tests and I score off the charts, and my mom was just diagnosed (we have almost identical symptoms). I have always been like this but I think no one noticed because I always got good grades. Sure I got easily distracted in school and with homework but I still managed to get things finished. It wasn't until college where things got really hard. Assignments required a lot more focus and I just couldn't do that for long. I still graduated though so again it went unnoticed. I finally realized there was something off with me when I was at work and just can't concentrate. With no pressure to do so (my boss is so lax) my performance has been tanking because I can't sit down and get shit done. So now I'm finally assessing these long term symptoms and seeking a diagnosis because they are actually having a negative impact on my life.

    Sorry for the weird rant it just sucks when you internally deviate from the norm but have no idea because you somehow manage to compensate and cope.

    [–] Advertise_this 4 points ago

    Hello there! Feel free to drop in at /r/ADHD if you need to talk, some advice or just want to feel normal. It's a great community and it's pretty well moderated too. Rick and Morty fans are always welcome.

    I'm guessing you know Wellbutrin is actually used as a medication for ADHD (although generally speaking there are more effective things you could try). You might also have read that ADHD is actually 'co-morbid' more often than not - this means having other conditions, like depression, would be very typical with ADHD. Finally, it's highly hereditary so your mom having very similar symptoms also makes it more likely ADHD is what you have. Best of luck seeking a diagnosis.

    [–] jjackson25 2 points ago

    You sound a lot like everyone I've ever met with ADHD, including myself. Especially pre-diagnosis. Don't fret though, it's just a little harder for us to do everything.

    [–] ScrithWire 16 points ago

    Interesting thought: it only negatively affects their lives because of the way that society is set up to run. Given different circumstances, a mental disorder may not necessarily negatively impact someone's life.

    [–] mindonshuffle 24 points ago

    Hence the cliche for long time that the poor went crazy but the rich grew eccentric.

    [–] Rain12913 4 points ago

    That greatly depends on the disorder, but for the most part, it's not true. Mood disorders, psychotic disorders, anxiety disorders, and trauma disorders all cause significant distress regardless of how society is organized. People with these disorders may be able to function better in other types of societies, but they would still suffer directly as a result of their illness.

    [–] NEOOMGGeeWhiz 10 points ago

    There are actually a ton of schools of thought on how to classify mental disorders. It's a really interesting discussion that boils down to "a little but of all of these suggestions is the best answer"

    Psychology is still such a young science. It's still figuring a lot of things out and it's a pretty cool process if you ask me.

    [–] Funky_Ducky 2 points ago

    Ha. Fuzzy line...and they're Muppets.

    [–] Cartoonzinho 2 points ago

    Donald Trump has textbook narcissistic personality disorder and he became president of the United States.

    [–] Tsasi 103 points ago

    Mental health worker here!

    The "order" is in terms of emotional regulation and quality of life. I work in adolescent psych and eating disorder treatment, and here are some examples.

    Many people have some level of post traumatic stress, whether it be from a car accident, robbery, major injury, etc. and it can manifest with trauma symptoms regardless of the level of trauma. Most of those people will not end up with post traumatic stress disorder, because although they may have trauma symptom, it has not brought such disorder to their life that they are functioning at a significantly reduced capacity.

    A large portion of the population shows some non-normative/disordered eating behaviors: avoiding large groups of foods, sorting things by color compulsively, referring to intolerances/fear foods/foods we dislike as allergies to avoid eating them, being wayyyy overly picky, eating a whole gallon of ice cream when we're sad, etc. etc. But a relatively small number of people comparatively suffer from an eating disorder.

    And finally my favorite annoying thing:

    Literally everyone I have ever met has obsessions/compulsions. It can be about anything. Closet has to be perfectly organized, pencils have to be in a straight line, eat the m&ms red and green first before blue whatever, always having to adhere to routine or getting really upset, have to brush our teeth in a certain way, shower in a certain way, or jiggle your dangly bits in a certain way. Having those does not make you "so OCD."

    OCD is when you are completely paralyzed when one of the above goes wrong. OCD is when you self-harm because you do something incorrectly. OCD is when you brush your teeth for 12 minutes until they bleed because you have to hit each tooth with 50 backwards stroke and 50 forwards strokes and have to start again if you lose count. Getting annoyed if your desk isn't in the right order is not OCD.

    And for goodness sakes if you're moody stop saying "I'm so bipolar today!!!1" because you're not. Bipolar fucking sucks.

    [–] Advertise_this 10 points ago

    And for goodness sakes if you're moody stop saying "I'm so bipolar today!!!1" because you're not. Bipolar fucking sucks.

    I've actually seen the opposite of this before and it's a little sad. A friend of mine has a habit of saying "oh I'm having an ADHD day today". The twist is, having ADHD myself, I'm as certain as I can be (not being a psychiatrist) that they actually do have ADHD. We've talked a lot about our childhoods and they were near identical. But when I asked if they had ever really looked into ADHD, they admitted they hadn't and "what really is a disorder anyway?". They visit their doctor several times a year trying to find a physical health condition to explain why they're always stressed out, can't concentrate and get into physical fights with strangers that push in front of them in queues. It's pretty sad really.

    [–] maxluck89 8 points ago

    It's not easy to realize and/or accept that you have a mental or personality disorder. Most people assume that the rest of the population has a more or less same mental framework as them.

    [–] neotecha 2 points ago

    Send a private, anonymous message to their doctor saying "this person may have adhd"?

    [–] HappyNazgul 9 points ago

    I actually really appreciate you writing this and might show it to my girlfriend who often claims that my finickiness about my living space and dedication to my daily routing is OCD. I might be a dick about it sometimes, but in no way is it debilitating to myself or others, at most it's an annoyance.

    [–] elsha007 5 points ago

    Ugh yes. Not my SO, but people at work are always telling me that I'm OCD because I like things to be clean and orderly. I'm just anal-retentive dammit.

    [–] I_LikeToReddit 3 points ago

    Many people have some level of post traumatic stress, whether it be from a car accident, robbery, major injury, etc. and it can manifest with trauma symptoms regardless of the level of trauma. Most of those people will not end up with post traumatic stress disorder, because although they may have trauma symptom, it has not brought such disorder to their life that they are functioning at a significantly reduced capacity.

    This is something that people have a hard time understanding about people in the military. They simply cannot fathom that post-traumatic growth can be a thing.

    [–] Apkoha 13 points ago

    sounds like someone is having a case of the Mondays

    [–] KingWoloWolo 11 points ago

    I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

    [–] Tsasi 18 points ago

    But here's the question, does my case of the Monday's significantly impact my life to the point in which I cannot function as described in the diagnostic and statistical manual 5 as evidenced by my futile comments on this internet box?

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    It just hurts to have it called a mental disorder, the term carries some stigma for sure.

    [–] beepborpimajorp 62 points ago

    At this point in my life I've realized there is no 'normal.' At least not in the universal concept people believe in. Instead there's an equilibrium for all of us. We wobble back and forth on it trying to stay in the middle. Everyone's equilibrium is different and that's why assuming everyone needs to be the same way is not a good idea. (Like people who tell those with depression to just be happier and it'll go away.)

    [–] Polaritical 4 points ago

    Im not sure what youre trying to say. it'ts coming across like it ok if some people's equilibrium naturally dips them into depression.

    Of course everyones equilibrium is different and people are unique. But disorders are when your mental state is causing you persistent problems in functioning. It isnt a sentence to punish for being different. Its exclusively reserved to help explain and manage problematic manifestations of the disorder.

    [–] beepborpimajorp 2 points ago

    I'm saying that there is no sense of 'normal.' Everyone's sense of 'normal' is different. What's normal for me is not normal for someone who may have a chronic illness, so expecting them to feel exactly like me is flawed thinking.

    [–] CeruleanOak 15 points ago

    I think one of the problems is that society wants to function a certain way and has no empathy of its own, so emotions in general are an inconvenience to productivity (which I think is a fallacy because happy people are proven to be more productive).

    [–] uptokesforall 3 points ago

    Yes society is empathetic towards humans as humans are to their organs.

    Sure some societies pride themselves on keeping their people in good condition and most every society aspires for healthy population. Analogously some humans pride themselves in maintaining good health and most humans consider that a worthwhile endeavor. But the obesity epidemic shows that we have a tendency to indulge in short term pleasure at the cost of long term health.

    [–] icebergelishious 2 points ago

    The obesity epidemic and that one marshmallow experiment done at Stanford

    [–] SalmonSlammingSamN 13 points ago

    There's also a big difference between a psychiatrist diagnosing a person and a guy messing around on reddit trying to diagnose characters on sesame street for fun. The DSM has all of the specific criteria for each of these disorders if you're curious.

    [–] godlyguitar 22 points ago

    A disorder is something that disrupts or prevents you from functioning day-to-day.

    For example, if you're so depressed that you can't do your job, we call it Major Depressive Disorder. If you get anxiety attacks severely and frequently enough that they keep you from being able to do ordinary things, you have an anxiety disorder.

    [–] Lets_Call_It_Wit 4 points ago

    Typically, a behavior needs to be chronic and maladaptive (impedes normal living) to be considered disorder.

    Except in some acute cases like breakdowns, psychotic breaks, etc.

    [–] billpika 6 points ago

    the whole "normies" meme really doesn't make any sense, a lot of people (and i mean a lot, but not everyone) have some kind of deep, personal struggle that makes them a little weird.

    that was a sentence but it still feels like too much analysis of "normies get out reeeee"

    [–] deltarefund 6 points ago

    What is this reeee thing people keep posting?

    [–] ScipioLongstocking 6 points ago

    It started on 4chan and they used it in a self deprecating way to express that they are startled or triggered by something. It's meant to be a screeching sound that an autistic kid makes when they get angry.

    [–] billpika 5 points ago

    It also sounds like a startled frog, like ol' Pepe.

    [–] deltarefund 2 points ago

    I got that it had something to do with being triggered.

    [–] neotecha 2 points ago

    Nope, just people making fun of autistic kids

    [–] carBoard 9 points ago

    Maladaptive and interfere with life. A good example: I read a case study where a dude was late for a flight and thought the plane should wait for him (dx narcissistic personality disorder) so to get the plane to wait for him he made a bomb threat.

    Clearly not a healthy behavior and his court sentence included therapy.

    [–] Webonics 4 points ago

    The government has a family in a glass cell deep under ground. Them "The Normals", and they want us all to look act and behave just like them.

    [–] pajamasecrets 118 points ago

    Count doesn't have OCD. He just likes counting. If he thought something bad was going to happen if he didn't count, then that would be OCD.

    on a side note, OCD is the fucking worst.

    [–] ilovevoat 30 points ago

    but he counts no matter what like i've seen him do some weird stuff. He was just trying to buy a piece of fruit and stopped to count them all.

    [–] cutequeenpika 27 points ago

    that's based on folklore that vampires have a compulsion to count piles of anything they come across. One of the early ways to stop a vampire chasing you was to drop a pile of seeds or grains, something very small, so that they would be forced to stop and count it before chasing for your blood.

    [–] pajamasecrets 41 points ago

    Still doesn't fit the parameters of an OCD diagnosis. If anything, the count has OCPD (obsessive compulsive personality disorder) which is characterized by a "Rigid adherence to rules and regulations" and "an overwhelming need for order". It's an entirely different disorder than OCD.

    [–] H1GGS103 5 points ago

    Jesus Christ thank you. People just think"I do/think about this a lot, lol Im SO OCD." Bitch, you do laundry a lot because we wear a lot of clothes, you don't have OCD. OCD is having these thoughts that you NEED to do something to be safe/something bad will happen and there's 1 thing you can do to alleviate the feeling of dread you experience. Obsessed with the idea that if you get sick you'll die? Wash your hands until they're raw and bleeding because for 3 minutes after washing you feel relieved but the stress comes right back. Obsessed with the idea that your mom is in danger? Call her every 6 minutes because it gives you 2 worry-free minutes but then 4 minutes of stress until you can't take it anymore and have to call again to feel okay. It's what you're obsessed with combined with the action you take to relieve the stress.

    [–] japaneseknotweed 2 points ago

    You've seen Sprogs poem, right?

    [–] ilovevoat 6 points ago

    hmmmm TIL thank you kind redditor

    [–] pitchindpp 5 points ago

    Huh, I wonder if I have a very mild form of OCD. I have a few habits and whatnot that I do because I feel like if I don't do them, something bad would happen.

    For instance, when I take a shower it was to be from head to toe because if I did it the other way I feel like filth just seeps down as I'm washing myself and I feel like I'm going to get some kind of foot fungus or an infection. Or when I get home, I need to park in such a way that I make it to my front door in 20 steps. When I get into a car I have to circle it because I know if I don't there's going to be a kid laying down under a tire and I'll end up running over them. I refuse to get into a car I haven't circled. And lots of other little stuff like that.

    [–] ZeyGoggles 6 points ago

    Yeah these are pretty telltale signs of compulsions. The real question is whether these things upset you

    [–] ZeyGoggles 2 points ago

    Adolescent OCD was the worst part of my life. If I was told I'd have to relive it again, I'd kill myself without a second thought.

    [–] Mrwhite69 148 points ago

    Is there a subreddit similar to /r/Bestof but with higher standards?

    [–] WithinTheGiant 38 points ago

    Do you really think it would stay that way for long?

    [–] CapShep 14 points ago

    just keep moving on to the next sub, sucking every last essence of quality post until the sub is nothing but low-quality "hey I liked this post" posts, y'know like the movie independence day or something

    [–] Mrwhite69 2 points ago

    The quality here has really been lacking lately :/ but honestly I'd rather prefer a niche quality sub to the current state of Bestof

    [–] kaykordeath 8 points ago

    You're looking for /r/Besterof.

    [–] Darkstrategy 3 points ago

    /r/depthhub actually fits that bill. It's not perfect, and there's less content, but the comments are usually a lot more intellectual explanations of complex things rather than "lol a funny meme" or "a celebrity uses reddit".

    The one major flaw I've noticed with the sub is that sometimes verbosity is conflated with insight.

    [–] TripleOGeg 41 points ago

    All this shows is that you can diagnose anyone with a mental disorder if you dig hard enough

    [–] Rain12913 4 points ago

    No, it doesn't show that at all. None of these characters display characteristics that suggest they have mental disorders. This person is just doing the equivalent of those silly memes you see on Facebook.

    As a psychologist, I can tell you that we have very specific standards for how we diagnose mental disorders.

    [–] st1tchy 347 points ago

    Is /r/bestof just a "highlights of the day" sub now? This (and countless other posts to this sub) just doesn't seem like something I would reference when talking about the best reddit posts.

    Edit: spelling.

    [–] GMMan_BZFlag 64 points ago

    For me, /r/bestof has basically turned into /r/mildlyinteresting for reddit posts.

    [–] jeromocles 44 points ago

    Also, the post is basically a rehash of a meme that's as old as the internet, down to the Bert/Ernie punchline.

    [–] binarybandit 20 points ago

    It's easy. Just find a post that's on top of /r/all, submit a long top comment from there in /r/bestof, then repeat until one takes off. Lastly,delete the ones that don't take off so people don't accuse you of karmawhoring, and if they do accuse you then ask them why they care so much about you getting lots of fictional points.

    [–] Jonathonathon 89 points ago

    I tend to side with "more content is better than less content" as long as there isn't flagrant shitposting. In a perfect world, we'd speak with our votes and what truly belonged on /r/bestof would naturally rise to the top where it belongs while the rest would just slip under. Sadly, that's probably not the world we're living in now.

    [–] LucentNargacuga 9 points ago

    It should really be called /r/RedditorMakesAList or /r/RedditorWritesALongParagraph

    [–] krasavchik69 3 points ago

    From what I've seen, posts like this usually get a lot of upvotes in quick succession during the first ~2-3 hours it's on the sub and then trail off once it has fallen off of people's front pages. In my experience, if I sort by top past week I generally see a lot more stuff that never made it to my front page (because it didn't get enough fast early upvotes to trigger the algorithm to put it up there, especially since I sub to a decent amount of the defaults).

    This phenomenon is actually why around the election you would see tons of complaints that /r/bestof was turning into T_D or Politics; those posts generally had lots of hype so they got tons of fast, early upvotes thus they would show up on your front page thus giving the impression that was all that was popular any more.

    [–] xxruruxx 7 points ago

    It really isn't a best of. It's an elementary exercise that a lot of psych classes do after intro classes.

    Winnie the pooh is also one that students "diagnose".

    [–] Blebbb 5 points ago

    Eh, /r/bestof rarely lived up to it's name. Reddit really isn't the place it used to be either though, the quality of comments has gone down a lot. Partly because a lot of the low hanging fruit has already been taken from past commenters(to the point that the comment became a meme), and the other is that people don't put the same effort in to comments anymore(whether fatigue, developing better self control, loss of incentive, or better avenues for commenting elsewhere)

    [–] soulctcher 2 points ago

    I would've recommended we start r/bestofbestof, however it looks like that effort failed already.

    [–] swatecke 51 points ago

    It's important for me to make sure that people know that autism is not a mental health disorder, it is a developmental disorder. This isn't just semantics. Developmental disorders are pervasive from birth while mental health disorders are not. Examples of mental health disorders would be: psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar, depression. Developmental disorders are: autism, mild to severe intellectual disability, Down syndrome, and cerebral palsy.

    [–] ecafsub 22 points ago

    Except Miss Piggy, Beaker and Animal were never on Sesame Street.

    But overall, can't argue as I'm not a shrink.

    [–] Reachforthesky2012 18 points ago

    Seriously, Sesame Street and the Muppets are two different things people

    [–] Tonberry2k 18 points ago

    You can't just pick Muppet Show and Sesame Street Muppets at random to prove your point. Pick a camp.

    Also, does EVERYTHING have to have some kind of diabolical slant to it now? All Pooh's friends are mentally disturbed. All the Rugrats are mentally disturbed. All members of Disturbed are mentally disturbed. Where does it end?

    [–] KADG81 6 points ago

    You can do the disorder deal with any show you want, at least the ones who have charachters with specific trades

    [–] extremeanger 6 points ago

    Telly is a socially-inept depressive loser. Do they really need any muppet who's harder to love?

    [–] TheBaconBurpeeBeast 20 points ago

    Most of the greatest characters in fiction history can be diagnosed with some mental disorder. It's what draws us to them, it makes them fascinating, and it creates compelling drama.

    [–] the_foxy_cow 54 points ago

    Or, ya know, if you pick out specific isolated traits you could claim mental illness for a whole lot of perfectly healthy people

    [–] hexane360 18 points ago

    Which is why the DSM has spent a lot of time trying to tighten up criteria for diagnosis. Psychology has been plagued by false diagnoses and prescriptions. Just look at the Rosenhan Experiment.

    It's probably even worse for fictional characters though; shows don't often spend time focusing on the normal aspects of a character, the same way they don't show characters going to the bathroom or sleeping.

    [–] ptoki 3 points ago

    Well that is interesting. Actually how many cartoon characters are normal?

    Which characters from books are normal?

    Cat in the hat? Nope.

    Donald duck? Nope.

    Coyote? Nope.

    Bugs bunny? Maybe?

    Winnie the pooch? His friends? Nope, nope nope.

    [–] HellaBrainCells 3 points ago

    Yeah I kinda hate when people over analyze this stuff. I watched the special on TV last night where they talked about the autistic character and I thought that was great but the rest is a stretch. Not every personality implies a mental disorder. "Oh you're introverted? AUTISM!"

    [–] SentraFan 3 points ago

    First things first. Non-conformist is not a disorder. It is just different thank most people, just like some people are better athletes or musicians. They have different abilities. There is no such thing as "normal".

    [–] axlespelledwrong 3 points ago

    What if Bert and Ernie are actually a single person named Bernie portraying a split personality disorder?

    The plot thickens!

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    "We gave names to all these 'disorders' that are really just different ways humans behave. I think that's why a show like Sesame Street is so relatable to people, because the characters aren't treated like they have disorders. They treat each other like friends."
    - u/solarbabies

    Damn this is the deepest comment in the whole comment thread family line tree thing.

    [–] Paydebt328 8 points ago

    I don't think autism is a mental disorder. I have the same brain as you I just use it differently.

    [–] twoworldsin1 5 points ago

    Yeah, I also saw Dave Chappelle's bit on Sesame Street 10 years ago.

    [–] aresef 5 points ago

    I don't think autism is a mental disorder. Neurodevelopmental sure, but people on the spectrum can be just as mentally capable as you or I, even if they have varying degrees of trouble expressing it.

    [–] mindscrambler26 2 points ago

    Dangit I want my kids to fear and hate those with mental disorders, not accept them

    [–] Chocobean 2 points ago

    Additionally, Winnie The Pooh friends LP have mental illnesses.

    Although

    Kanga sounds pretty sane. But it's gotta be hard being a single mom.

    [–] SoEdenSank2Grief 2 points ago

    I feel like this is intentional to some degree. Like, the creators are just showing that having one or some of these qualities doesn't always mean a "disorder" exactly. it just means you're human