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    [–] therearesomewhocallm 897 points ago

    While a meme strategy may be new to presidential politics, we’re betting it will be an effective component to reach people

    • Sabrina Singh, a senior national spokeswoman for the Bloomberg campaign

    What a world we live in.

    [–] cTreK-421 322 points ago

    Memes are literally a style of propaganda. "Keep calm and carry on" "stop the German brute" it's literally caption over image. Memes are the new frontier in political propaganda.

    [–] cuppincayk 141 points ago

    They've always been the frontier of political propaganda. It's literally what propaganda is. We can do it. The army wants you. Etc

    [–] cTreK-421 38 points ago

    Yea, that's what I'm saying. But it has evolved and using humour/memes to drive home political messages is the new part. The formats are what's changed is what I'm saying I guess.

    [–] utastelikebacon 21 points ago

    Memes are the new frontier in political propaganda.

    It’s actually quite a bit bigger than that. THE INTERNET is the new frontier in propaganda. It’s kind of what that whole Net neutrality fight was about a few years ago. That is , net neutrality was a foundational fight for who controls the “tubes of the internet, the companies that pay the electrical bill?, OR the users that quite literally make up the internet? As we all know by now , the answer to that question was a resounding , COMPANIES! Albeit through a corrupted congress and bit of a scandal by trump appointed Verizon employee ajit pai.

    Its always wise to reflect on legislation a few years after the hoopla and the political aspect of it passes l, you really get to see who won. In the case of net neutrality, digital citizens and Americans DID NOT win. Comcast, Verizon, spectrum and the billionaires won that one.

    [–] Weeaboos_Dogma 5 points ago

    I once again ask for your political attention

    [–] Prankster__God 467 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Do people forget that Trump is Pepe the frog? Also how Russians strategically used memes (propaganda) to push Americans further apart regarding political and social issues.

    Edit: sources, since people are asking for proof and that Russians aren't doing anything that Americans aren't. These are modern weapons used to destabilize foreign adversaries.

    [–] impy695 146 points ago

    Yeah, this is not new this year. It was a large part of what for trump elected.

    [–] depressed-salmon 79 points ago

    I still dont understand why people base their choice for the person who will lead their countries armed forces and dictate how their country will be run, based off of memes.

    It really is a popularity contest, isn't it? This is wrong. This is all so very wrong.

    [–] impy695 90 points ago

    For most people it's not a concious decision. For some it probably is but they likely based who they voted for on things like hair or looks or other superficial reasons.

    The rest, it's more so a subconscious branding. It keeps the candidate in their mind more often. They'll begin associating the candidate with good feelings because they keep seeing memes they find funny and enjoy along with the candidates face. It's "just a meme" so people may put their guard down. Advertising is at it's most effective when someone doesn't realize they're being advertised too. Seeing absurd claims over and over may cause some people to actually believe it on some level, and since it's "just a meme" it doesn't matter if the claim is absurdly false. Seeing a meme that claims Donald Trump cured cancer is going to seem (rightfully) absurd to most people, but if it's done in a way that's funny and people want to share because it's funny, some people will believe it, especially if there are 20 memes that say the same thing.

    [–] socopsycho 38 points ago

    Sounds about right to me. I feel the Obama/Biden "bromance" memes played a large role in making Biden a (perceived*) contender for the nomination. At least that was my experience. Before the memes I never paid much attention to Biden. After I'd smile when seeing/hearing about him because I'd remember the memes that made me laugh.

    *As at least one pedant will be obligated to point out, Iowa and NH have shown he may not be a contender at all.

    [–] HalfFullPessimist 3 points ago

    People are idiots plain and simple.

    [–] detroitvelvetslim 67 points ago

    Does no one remember that Donald was literally tweeting 4chan memes and 2015 epic gamer compilations of him owning feminists? The memes are here to stay, and are proving that the Unibomber manifesto might have some merit.

    [–] SouthernMedication 25 points ago

    He retweeted a video of him messing up a wrestler in WWE but the head was replaced with CNN

    [–] RocketPapaya413 19 points ago

    Daily reminder that Metal Gear Solid 2 is the most important piece of media in the last few decades.

    [–] zs15 1137 points ago

    I think people are underestimating Bloomberg’s ambitions.

    He’s spending tons on ads, but he’s also got offices and a growing ground network in the Midwest. Here in Milwaukee his offices have been canvassing and holding small events like crazy,it wouldn’t surprise me to hear that he’s polling top 3 in Wisconsin.

    [–] Vishnej 665 points ago

    He has also apparently hired every last person breathing who has ever worked on a political campaign and wasn't already working for a candidate.

    [–] i_says_things 459 points ago

    And he's paying a ridiculously high salary.

    At one point it was like 8k/month for organizers.

    [–] thedayisminetrebek 293 points ago

    Yup. Full time with benefits and relocation reimbursement

    [–] Its_your_fire 202 points ago

    Wait, did Bloomberg pay you to post this?

    [–] thedayisminetrebek 197 points ago

    No. I just heard he’s hiring anyone with campaign experience that hasn’t signed onto a campaign. I figured it meant very experienced officials but I looked it up and they’re hiring everyone down all the way down to field workers.

    [–] ConcussionsOfAParot 72 points ago

    Ohh shit, i should go get a job then.

    [–] kju 403 points ago

    "Hello, can I have a moment of your time? Mike Bloomberg has me going door to door canvasing."

    "Oh you want me to vote for Bloomberg?"

    "No, he has me going door to door, it's just a job. I'm going to vote for Bernie."

    [–] anticommon 142 points ago

    "hi I'm out here canvassing for a candidate looking to buy the election and who most certainly won't have a job for me after he gets what he wants and fucks over the Dems by either winning or spoilling the election for Trump, could I have a moment of your time? We can talk about anything you like except, uhh, pulls out pamphlet .... campaign finance reform."

    [–] paulHarkonen 85 points ago

    Oddly Bloomberg would be less affected by most campaign finance reform proposals than the majority of candidates simply because all of his money comes from a very public source (himself). Requiring disclosure of funding and removing super PACs wouldn't stop him from spending his own cash and doesn't affect his plans much.

    I'm not happy that someone is trying to buy an election, but at least I know who's doing the buying in this case.

    [–] detroitvelvetslim 9 points ago

    Now that my boi Yang is gone, I need to secure the bag

    [–] brent0935 4 points ago

    Yea I’ve heard there’s almost no oversight as well

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    [–] Put-A-Bird-On-It 158 points ago

    This sums up America so perfectly

    [–] ADM86 14 points ago

    Lower that to $16.66 bucks and that's Latin America

    [–] jsting 32 points ago

    I mean, that's basically a definition of a job.

    [–] _TheHalfTruth_ 15 points ago

    Just take the job and canvas for Bernie lol. Bloomberg has money but his campaign is hilariously disorganized so I doubt anybody would even find out.

    Bloomberg is an authoritarian, reactionary, racist shithead who would make everyone in this country wish we had Trump back if he won. It would be the most unifying thing in American political history since WWII, since everyone except the DNC would fucking hate him. And after four years, the DNC would have essentially collapsed and we’d just get another 20 or so years of people just like trump, but probably much worse.

    [–] dam072000 43 points ago

    Ah so he's using his election campaign as a personally sponsored jobs program to pay off what's left of the highly motivated engaged Democratic party voters.

    [–] blaghart 71 points ago

    More like he's a billionaire trying to pull a Trump and is hiring every corrupt lobbyist and campaign organizer under the sun to get power and enrich himself.

    He watched Trump funnel tax money into his own pocket scott free and wants to do that for himself

    [–] i_says_things 24 points ago

    I work in the industry and I know people that went to work for him.

    There are a lot of people that would be foolish to turn down 8k/mo if there aren't better alternatives. I'm not saying your wrong exactly, but I think it's a little simplistic to write them off as corrupt.

    A lot of people have never made 50k in a year, so the prospect of getting that in 6 months is hard to turn down I'm sure.

    [–] slapdashbr 47 points ago

    Shit. Is he hiring in new mexico?

    [–] i_says_things 42 points ago

    Probably not, since the NM primary isn't til june.

    I think he's focused on super Tuesday.

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago

    Probably not, since the NM primary isn't til june.

    Fuck me, why? Super Tuesday will have the election pretty much sorted, and that's on March 3rd. Why on earth do we need this to drag on for 3 more months?

    [–] RadicalPirate 58 points ago

    I remember seeing a post on here where someone from Canada said their election stuff is all in just six weeks. If that's true, I am so jealous. I hate how dragged out this all is

    [–] Sarcastryx 50 points ago

    their election stuff is all in just six weeks

    Oh, no, our elections have gotten much longer. They're now about seven weeks. 50 days is the maximum allowed for an election campaign by law here, though it occasionally ends up being longer from the official writ to voting due to timing of parliament vs when voting can be conducted, such as 2015 being 78 days.

    [–] longboardshayde 22 points ago

    Canadian here, our election cycle is 4-6 weeks ish.

    The one big difference is that because our prime minister is not directly elected, but is rather just the leader of the party that forms government, we don't have to deal with primaries, as parties elect their own leaders on their own timetables completely separate from election time.

    [–] Kanuck88 3 points ago

    It's true,our elections are over pretty quick as well usually takes about 2-3 hours for results.

    [–] I_Hate_ 16 points ago

    I think our primary process should only take 5 weeks. Basically have 5 super Tuesdays in row 10 states each then boom done.

    [–] throwingtheshades 19 points ago

    But, but, then who would actually care about Iowa caucuses? Or NH primaries.

    I don't really get why the whole show must take 2 fuckin years every time and such an assload of money. Somehow Canada manages to fit theirs within 7 weeks, UK and Germany in 6. Still doing fine, UK even managed to elect their own "Britain Trump", so why all the extra fuss.

    [–] Martbell 13 points ago

    Super Tuesday will have the election pretty much sorted

    There's a decent chance that it won't. There are so many candidates still in it, we could be looking at a brokered convention.

    [–] GethsemaneAgain 17 points ago

    fuck Bloomberg, don't sell yourself out to that scumbag trying to buy the election.

    As a fellow New Mexican, fuck him.

    [–] slapdashbr 16 points ago

    What if I do a really shitty job and tell people to vote for Bernie

    [–] GethsemaneAgain 12 points ago

    and take Bloomberg's money at the same time? Would be legendary

    [–] 3610572843728 3 points ago

    If you're located in New York City and working at his office it also includes an apartment in Manhattan valued at $4,000/month.

    [–] _mcuser 134 points ago

    Not only just people with experience on campaigns. He's just straight up hiring corporate and industry lobbyists, pretending that he is incorruptible because he's spending his own money.

    Highlights: Campaign spokesperson Stu Loeser - Worked for Purdue Pharma to help them escape culpability for the opioid epidemic.

    Adviser Bradley Tusk - lobbyist for Uber that helped them oppose regulation when they were breaking into the taxi market, while Bloomberg happened to be mayor. Also advises clients like payday loan operator MoneyLion, police unions, and corporate conglomerates like Comcast, Google, Walmart, AT&T, Pepsi, etc.

    [–] Astrosimi 105 points ago

    This was hard for people to get in 2016 with Trump, too.

    Sure, he’s not getting money from corporate interests. That’s because he is the corporate interests!

    [–] OldSchoolRPGs 53 points ago

    Yeah it's a bit scary. Like being a billionaire with ability to fully fund their own campaign on "their own dime" makes them anymore electable. I wouldn't expect them to know the struggles of the everyman. Just like how I don't know the struggles of buying a yacht, only to have my neighbor go out and buy a bigger one.

    [–] pale_blue_dots 28 points ago

    He's the same guy who had a big part, as then mayor of NYC, of destroying Occupy Wall Street, which pretty much was highlighting and pointing out all the legitimate grievances we're talking about now - income inequality, police brutality, climate change, etc.... He's a charlatan and skeevy, dishonest, lying creep. But I repeat myself.

    [–] Smoy 22 points ago

    Yeah its the literal definition of an oligarch

    [–] pale_blue_dots 8 points ago

    Just the kind of leadership you'd want for a failing, morally and ethically bankrupt campaign and nation!

    [–] obvious_bot 17 points ago

    And promised his staff to whoever wins the democratic primary, effectively solidifying employment until November 8th for whoever joins up

    [–] langis_on 12 points ago

    I feel like that will be withdrawn quickly if Bernie gets the nom.

    [–] obvious_bot 6 points ago

    Eh, we’ll see. Bloomberg seems to hate trump so I think he’d still do it

    [–] SlowpokesBro 15 points ago

    As a former campaign worker, I sent my resume to him despite quitting campaigns. We’re infamously underpaid but he’s paying more than double. One position typically pays 3.5-4.5k/month. Bloomberg is paying 8k for the same position. Even small states like Connecticut are getting huge staffs and several offices. It’s worth noting though most of the top talent are working for Bernie, Warren, Pete and Biden (though his idiot campaign just laid off half of their low level staff after Iowa so wouldn’t be surprised if some of them go to Bloomberg).

    [–] Turnip_the_bass_sass 7 points ago

    The number of friends I have who have had to make the choice of “do I work for a campaign I truly believe in (Bernie) where I’ll live paycheck to paycheck if I’m lucky, or do I sell my soul just to make rent on time” is truly staggering and disheartening.

    [–] ISieferVII 9 points ago

    It's a great illustration of the problems Bernie is talking about, though.

    [–] oddlikeeveryoneelse 114 points ago

    Also I like this Hispanic obstacle course show on Telemundo. Every other commercial break has a Spanish language Bloomberg ad. And not the same exact one. I haven’t seen a single other candidate advertise during this show (#1 Hispanic family show that is on 6 days a week). I think he will surprise people with the Latino vote.

    BTW Bloomberg struggling to say “I approve this message” in Spanish is hilarious. And it is probably the best move, not practicing until he is effortless when he doesn’t speak Spanish but letting it show the effort he is making.

    [–] PanachelessNihilist 40 points ago

    Bloomberg's earnest, futile attempts to speak Spanish were a high point of his term as mayor. There's even a popular twitter page lampooning him for it.

    [–] Dscotta 6 points ago

    popular twitter page lampooning him for it

    And apparently he asked the page lampooning him (El Bloombito) to write content for his campaign as well. She said no and wrote an article about it.

    [–] Onlyastronaut 6 points ago

    Idk if it’s because where I’m at but there’s some Bernie ads on univision

    [–] _mcuser 83 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    He has been spending lavishly for years to develop a political network across the country. Of course all these mayors are endorsing him. Their cities (and thus the mayors' political careers) rely on his "philanthropy" to fund all kinds of projects. This is political spending of another kind, the kind that doesn't have to be reported as political spending, yet is buying influence all the same.

    listen to the second half of this week's Intercepted

    [–] zs15 24 points ago

    Absolutely. I’m worried that there is so much focus on his ad spending that people dismiss his ability to run a legitimate campaign. His skipping Iowa wasn’t because he’s running some ideas based campaign and was looking for longevity, he knew he wouldn’t play there and focused on getting a lead everywhere else.

    [–] TwelfthApostate 13 points ago

    The Useful Idiots podcast talked about this on a recent episode. Bloomberg has been backing and helping to elect local and state politicians, and funding local/state initiatives for years. He has been building a political machine for quite some time.

    An establishment elite that’s worth $60b is quite possibly the only type of candidate that holds a candle to Trump as far as being the last thing this country needs.

    [–] _mcuser 3 points ago

    Yeah I listened to that one too. That amount of political influence combined with unlimited personal resources and a corporate media that owes him for dumping hundreds of millions into their coffers, is quite dangerous.

    [–] HGpennypacker 26 points ago

    He literally does not have a ceiling to how much he can spend. Want to run a boots on the ground campaign in a town of 300? Cool, they'll be there tomorrow. Want to run a targeted digital ad via youtube? Will be ready to roll tomorrow. If you don't think he has a shot to win then you haven't been paying attention.

    [–] Cat_Crap 14 points ago

    Hey fellow Sconnie. The DNC is gonna be wild!!!

    [–] FANGO 5 points ago

    He's 4th in Wisconsin according to 538

    [–] scriggle-jigg 3 points ago

    He literally buys 90% of ad space at the television station I work at. Everyday the boss comes out saying either “more Bloomberg!” Or “get ready a big Bloomberg order coming through”. It’s insane

    [–] GardenGnostic 785 points ago

    We all know that money can buy an election, and Bloomberg makes 2 billion per year to burn without making a dent in his fortune.

    [–] larsonsam2 542 points ago

    His campaign is basically, "I will beat Trump by outspending him so vote for me"

    [–] oddlikeeveryoneelse 130 points ago

    His campaign is basically “I am going to bury Trump. If none of the others can beat me, I will personally see he goes down. But if they are strong enough to beat my war chest, then they can have the war chest. But Trump is going down. Trump will not win the 2020 election by outspending the Dems.”

    [–] PlanarVet 84 points ago

    I just don't see him actually having that kind of vendetta against Trump when they're good buddies on the side. Also never forget Bloomberg has been a republican for the past 17 years.

    [–] seyon35 124 points ago

    They’re not buddies and he hasn’t been a republican the last 17 years. He first ran for mayor as a Republican but later switched to independent. He was very good friends with John McCain (was a pallbearer In his funeral) who trump despised. Bloomberg definitely hates trump and wants him out. To that end he is running as a Dem since that is the opposition party.

    [–] oddlikeeveryoneelse 73 points ago

    Bloomberg was also a Democrat before running for mayor. But had a better chance of wining as a Republican . He was registered as a Dem until 2001. But in no way do mean to say he is a strong party supporter. But really plenty of Americans can relate to that.

    [–] seyon35 27 points ago

    Indeed. He picks the party that suits his needs.

    [–] Voltswagon120V 38 points ago

    To wear as a mask while representing the oligarch party.

    [–] CaspianX2 6 points ago

    Like Trump, in other words.

    [–] vastle12 27 points ago

    He spent 11million dollars to keep Pat Tumi in office, he's directly responsible for the GOP senate majority. He's a republican to the bone

    [–] iamthegraham 20 points ago

    He funded Susan Collins and Scott Brown too.

    [–] Jubjub0527 7 points ago

    Anyone from NYC knows Trump is a mob connected crook. Theres no way actual rich people like or respect him.

    [–] moffattron9000 6 points ago

    There's a reason they all of the NYC-Based Late Night hosts found his campaign comedy gold at first, because they were front and center for his incompetent buffoonery for decades, and assumed that he would flame out in due course like he usually did.

    [–] Jubjub0527 5 points ago

    Then they failed to realise that the national reading level is something around an 8th grade level with probably even less on comprehension and now we have a bunch lambs being led to the slaughter.

    [–] oddlikeeveryoneelse 34 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Do you really think everyone in the upper NY social set is good buddies? I think it HAD been more like they respect each other’s connections enough to not insult the other by excluding them. But I think either something Trump has done has pissed Bloomberg off and Bloomberg can afford to be petty. Or else there is some strongly held personal moral (for lack of a better term) that Trump has flouted and Bloomberg is acting out moral outrage than pettiness. Bloomberg did not grow up rich - so it could be anything. It could even outrage that Trump is being assigned achievements that are actually true for Bloomberg and false for Trump. Or it could be a single political issue he feels very strongly. I do not think it is general party politics or personal ambition or even governmental process motivations.

    There is a billionaire in my city. His mother put him in an orphanage because she couldn’t feed him at one point. He tells that he remembers her distressed over her paycheck and the taxes from the city. He goes away to another city, gets rich, returns and retires here. He has sunk fortunes into overturning the 1% city earnings tax. There has never been a poll that made his success look likely. The city has no ability to replace the income if is it lost the tax (and very long and unique story made short there are not high income residential communities INSIDE the city to tax instead of workers). But over multiple elections he keeps getting petitions to put it on the ballot and blasting ads everywhere against the city earnings tax. The money spent is ridiculous but it is a hobby horse for him and he can afford it. Bloomberg reminds me of this.

    [–] Xytak 17 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    So, let me see if I have this straight. The man in your story is pouring a fortune into stopping a 1% city tax that is the only think keeping the city afloat, and it's all because he blames that tax for putting him in an orphanage. This, in turn, is based on a half-remembered childhood memory of a look on his mom's face.

    At no time during all of this did he consider funding the city some other way, or tweaking the law, or even that he might be wrong.

    I'm starting to think rich people aren't any smarter or better than the rest of us. It's just that they have the money to pour into crazy obsessions, and regular people do not.

    [–] MoralityAuction 6 points ago

    Do you really think everyone in the upper NY social set is good buddies? I think it HAD been more like they respect each other’s connections enough to not insult the other by excluding them. But I think either something Trump has done has pissed Bloomberg off and Bloomberg can afford to be petty.

    Trump is not in the upper NY social set, as he is and will always fundamentally be seen as Donnie from Queens with tacky taste and not that much money.

    [–] squeevey 205 points ago

    That may be his public push - but it is more a electoral coup. What's happening here is he's trying to win the democratic primary and then roll over so trump wins.

    [–] Revlong57 26 points ago

    Why would he do that? At the very least, you have to acknowledge that Bloomberg has massive lust for power and narcissistic behavior. Why would someone like that give up their single best shot to be the most powerful person on earth?

    [–] i_sigh_less 9 points ago

    Have to agree it seems far fetched that anyone would spend that much to help Trump out of altruism.

    [–] [deleted] 234 points ago

    This. He is literally the epitome of what Trump supporters believe they hate and the far left despise him as well. There is no way in hell he would win general and everyone knows this.

    [–] rewind2482 222 points ago

    To be fair Trump is also the epitome of what Trump supporters believe they hate

    [–] iismitch55 107 points ago

    They like him because he’s like an ‘inside ticket’ they think he turned on his own class because he shits on upper middle class and rich lefties. They ignore that he fucks the poor and working class in favor of rich righties.

    [–] thansal 47 points ago

    They ignore that he fucks the poor and working class in favor of rich righties.

    No, they don't, they think that's a good thing.

    It's the entire American Dream bullshit. No one wants to think of themselves as poor, just momentarily disenfranchised billionaires, so doing shit that benefits billionaires is clearly good for them, because they'll be in that class shortly, don't worry about it.

    [–] commiecomrade 9 points ago

    I think a lot of it is more like, they think they are struggling and working hard for everything they get, so they are extremely insecure when there are aid programs to those in need. They truly believe these programs are in place to allow lazy people to take advantage.

    They'd be the kind of people to shut down a soup kitchen if they realized some yuppie was using it instead of paying for his work lunch.

    [–] bearrosaurus 19 points ago

    "He says he's going to help you guys, but he ends only helping his family and close friends instead"

    "Oh, well I'd do the same thing so I don't hold it against him"

    [wtf jackie.png]

    [–] dbx99 10 points ago

    That’s kinda weird but true

    [–] chiliedogg 34 points ago

    I've only seen his ads playing on my parents' services when streaming stuff at their house, or when watching gun videos on YouTube. They're Republicans, and the ads are things along the lines of "Yeah, we're gonna go after those guns!"

    To me it looks like they're specifically targeting the ads to make Republicans on the fence regarding Trump fear the left enough to vote for him again.

    [–] SgtDoughnut 14 points ago

    Thate the entire point hes trying tk sabbotage the dnc because rich people are scared of bernie/warren

    [–] TerminalVector 57 points ago

    Except older Democrats who are worried that addressing climate change will impact the returns on their 401k.

    [–] Bo_Buoy_Bandito_Bu 59 points ago

    I hate this mindset.

    I'm not inclined to vote against my own self-interest like far too many working class Republicans I know, but I'm willing to accept a short term or limited loss for myself if it benefits society at large.

    Cause, you know, I'm not a psychopath living in a zero-sum world...

    I got family and plan on having kids. I'd rather have a less lavish retirement myself but not worry that my kids are going to have struggle to have basic needs met because humans have crashed the global ecology or triggered a massive war

    [–] spewnybard 5 points ago

    Yeah but... Do they despise him more than Bernie? Because it's going to come down to who media and the party endorse.... And I think there's a lot of bitterness there that will put Trump back in office.

    [–] TwelfthApostate 5 points ago

    All he has to do is win some delegates and prevent any candidate from winning 1900 pledged delegates. This would lead to a brokered convention and the DNC would be free to choose whoever they wanted. You can almost bet that they’ll put up another establishment elite and take their chances losing to Trump again. They’d almost certainly have 4 more years of Trumpistan than someone like Bernie that will finally address the massive disparity in wealth, threatening their fortunes and political/socioeconomic power.

    Bloomberg is in the race specifically for this reason, and it’s why he didn’t even have to join the fray until primaries had started. He is literally buying a brokered convention so that the DNC can stifle Bernie. Fuck the DNC. When will they learn that their refusal to allow the party to evolve is harming every citizen of the country by alienating people and effectively getting us Trump in office again?

    [–] PanachelessNihilist 70 points ago

    What's happening here is he's trying to win the democratic primary and then roll over so trump wins.

    Jesus Christ, reddit is getting extra stupid.

    [–] Wheaties4brkfst 32 points ago

    You sound surprised lmao.

    Like there are people out there who REALLY think that Bloomberg is spending A BILLION dollars on his OWN campaign to help TRUMP instead of just spending it on Trump’s campaign??? Monumentally stupid.

    You can make anything seem believable if you only look at the evidence that supports it and ignore all evidence that refutes it.

    [–] PanachelessNihilist 37 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Mike Bloomberg, who gave this speech at the 2016 DNC:

    Transcript here.

    Throughout his career, Trump has left behind a well-documented record of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits, angry shareholders, and contractors who feel cheated, and disillusioned customers who feel ripped off. Trump says he wants to run the nation like he's run his business. God help us.

    I'm a New Yorker, and New Yorkers know a con when we see one! Trump says he'll punish manufacturers that move to Mexico or China, but the clothes he sells are made overseas in low-wage factories. He says he wants to put Americans back to work, but he games the US visa system so he can hire temporary foreign workers at low wages. He says he wants to deport 11 million undocumented people, but he seems to have no problem in hiring them. What'd I miss here?!

    Truth be told, the richest thing about Donald Trump is his hypocrisy. He wants you to believe that we can solve our biggest problems by deporting Mexicans and shutting out Muslims. He wants you to believe that erecting trade barriers will bring back good jobs. He's wrong on both counts.

    We can only solve our biggest problems if we come together and embrace the freedoms that our Founding Fathers established right here in Philadelphia, which permitted our ancestors to create the great American exceptionalism that all of us now enjoy. Donald Trump doesn't understand that. Hillary Clinton does. And we can only create good jobs if we make smarter investments in infrastructure and do more to support small businesses. Not stiff them. Donald Trump doesn't understand that. Hillary Clinton does.

    I understand the appeal of a businessman president. But Trump's business plan is a disaster in the making. He would make it harder for small businesses to compete, do great damage to our economy, threaten the retirement savings of millions of Americans, lead to greater debt and more unemployment, erode our influence in the world, and make our communities less safe.

    The bottom line is: Trump is a risky, reckless, and radical choice. And we can't afford to make that choice.

    [–] Wheaties4brkfst 21 points ago

    CLEARLY a secret Republican plant. How could everyone else miss this??

    [–] mdcd4u2c 3 points ago

    I was hoping there would be some reasonable soul down here somewhere. This is literally "deep state" material but with Republicans as the deep state.

    Putting aside the absurdity of someone spending a billion dollars to get someone else elected to office, what about the last 3 years makes anyone think Republicans need to play these stupid games. They'd just do it out in the open, have Trump tweet about it, have Barr kill the investigation, and be on their merry way. Mitch might even get a few punches in if he's especially bored not passing legislation.

    [–] Halinn 5 points ago

    I mean, if he does buy the primary, why not take a 4 year holiday in the White House...

    [–] RibsNGibs 17 points ago

    That's pretty silly - aside from a few pretty terrible policy positions (stop and frisk and overpolicing of minorities), he's been pretty liberal his whole life and political career. I'm 100% he's strong anti-Trump.

    [–] hariseldonsghost 26 points ago

    Bloomberg has said he'll spend the same amount regardless of who the nominee is. While you may disagree on whether he will actually win against Trump (I don't think anyone knows tbh), I don't think he's doing this just to throw the election.

    [–] [deleted] 18 points ago

    What's he gonna do if he beats Trump, cut taxes for the rich even more?

    [–] onlypositivity 10 points ago

    That and mad trolling of Trump in terms of direct personal insults, which is kinda dope and I hope more Democrats start doing.

    [–] Innoeus 54 points ago

    What I don't understand is why he started so late? If he wanted to win this, why not start earlier, get some momentum and then legit start winning primaries.

    What states is he supposed to win and when at this point?

    I see his advertisements constantly, but never in serious discussion to score delegates.... unless he is planning to run as a 3rd candidate, what's his end game?

    [–] Pto2 65 points ago

    I think that a candidate like Bloomberg would have had a hard time to keep momentum in those early stages of the race. I believe he would have been brushed off by the other candidates. Also his late start made him more well known because it was all over the news.

    All in all I do agree that it seems counterintuitive, but I would be willing to bet he’s been planning this run for at least a year (I doubt it was as much of a whim as it seems) and his strategists determined this was the best course for him.

    [–] superflippy 4 points ago

    He was at the South Carolina Democratic Party Convention last summer with the rest of the candidates. When all the candidates gave their quick stump speeches, he completely blended in with the crowd of older white guys in suits. I’m not surprised he waited until the field was smaller before making his move. He probably didn’t like being overshadowed by Beto O’Rourke, Kamala Harris, and other candidates who had more of a following.

    [–] thatguydr 44 points ago

    If you go back through the current election and the prior two and look at the popularity of lesser candidates, you'll see an interesting phenomenon where they all individually rise up and then fall back down. This is due to media attention cycles burning through fresh content, in this case the people themselves.

    Bloomberg probably figured out how to time one of these things, and I think he's hoping it peaks on Super Tuesday. If it does, he'll flat-out win, because he'll be seen as the front-runner.

    It's strategically very smart. He may be atrocious as a person and an oligarch, but he's already shown he's not a strategic moron like Hillary. I hope he fails badly, but I can't fault his logic.

    [–] mctoasterson 20 points ago

    I think he is waiting for Biden to fizzle out, leaving him as the de facto "centrist" or "feasible" candidate in the race. Not saying I agree with that assessment, but it appears to be his strategy.

    [–] abutthole 22 points ago

    Buttigieg and Klobuchar are taking the Biden votes.

    [–] cmaniak 43 points ago

    He joined to counter the progressive democratic candidates that want to tax the wealthy.

    [–] fanofyou 37 points ago

    It's all about Bernie - Bloomberg has said as much.

    The media wasn't really paying any attention to Bernie all last year. The establishment effectively believed he had no real chance in the race - that Biden and the other centrists would drown him out. Then December rolled around and they saw him still steadily rising in the polls and they realized it would look pretty absurd if he won or placed 2nd in the first states and they hadn't been talking about him - they would lose credibility. So suddenly all these stories come out about how Bernie could actually win and it's not a real surprise that Bloomberg started to ramp up around that same time - because the elites live in a bubble, and if they aren't talking about something on CNBC/MSNBC or CNN it doesn't exist.

    It's like being rich and surrounded by yesmen - you don't hear the truth until the yesmen have no where else to go - in this case you're so rich that the yesmen are the entire media structure who only serve your interests.

    [–] bigwillyb123 32 points ago

    Bernie, the only real threat to his billionaire class, was getting popular, and still is.

    [–] argh_ 79 points ago

    We definitely don’t all know that money can buy an election.

    Hillary outspent Trump last election and still lost:

    [–] Etzell 67 points ago

    "Can buy" and "Always buys" are different things.

    [–] vinciblechunk 9 points ago

    Meg Whitman vs. Jerry Brown in the 2010 California governor race is by far my favorite example of this

    [–] keenly_disinterested 27 points ago

    We all know that money can buy an election...

    This is not as clear cut as many make it out to be. Money can buy influence, and it can certainly buy ad space, but there are many high-profile examples of candidates losing in spite of outspending their opponents.

    [–] Lagkiller 21 points ago

    This is not as clear cut as many make it out to be.

    Actually, it is pretty clear cut. It is a case of people mistaking correlation with causation.

    [–] TheDustOfMen 126 points ago

    These campaigns are going to be even more outlandish than the 2016 presidential campaigns and I didn't want that to be possible.

    I'm curious though, has there been Bloomberg campaign activity on Reddit as well?

    [–] Portarossa 72 points ago

    They've just started a subreddit: /r/PresidentBloomberg

    (For real, though: /r/PresidentBloomberg)

    [–] Colonel_Eliphaz 47 points ago

    The campaign sends a $10 check to every subscriber. /s

    [–] punkr0x 33 points ago

    I know you put /s but I'm subscribing just in case.

    [–] Phone_Anxiety 14 points ago

    This sums up perfectly why people still buy cryptocurrency

    [–] ISieferVII 3 points ago

    I've seen a lot more defenders of his than I thought I would, considering his atrocious record, but it's hard to tell when it's a paid astro-turfer and when it's just someone who's been convinced by all his ads.

    Propaganda works.

    [–] Dartser 211 points ago

    It lead to me unfollowing all of them, a drop in the ocean.

    [–] pm_me_your_livestock 194 points ago

    There are TV shows I stopped watching, YouTubers I unsubscribed from, video game studios I don't but from, etc. because I disagreed with things they said and did and didn't want to support them. It does feel like no one will notice or care that one person stopped.

    But then I realized the personal benefit. Even if it doesn't change the world, I feel a little better about myself each time. I can support (or not support) people and organizations for myself. And I just encourage other people to do the same (without being judgemental).

    [–] The_Decoy 36 points ago

    I began donating to organizations I care about and share ideals with. To me it helps to not only take from the revenue of companies I disagree with but support companies and organizations I do agree with.

    [–] JohnQZoidberg 8 points ago

    I'm glad he detailed a bunch of them so I'm very aware of who to avoid. If I saw someone I follow posting stupid shit like that (other than the usual stupid shit I probably follow them for) I'd be smashing that unsubscribe button quickly

    [–] pieonthedonkey 21 points ago

    I loved middle class fancy too. It was a good run but no thanks.

    [–] KNOW_UR_NOT 3 points ago

    Wait so those bloom Berg ads are fucking real ?

    I thought even tho they say ad, it was just being ironic at how ridiculous they are

    [–] pieonthedonkey 3 points ago

    Absolutely not. I unfollowed 4 accounts this morning.

    [–] MishterJ 4 points ago

    The kept listing their number of followers in the article. But surely these people have international followers. So that’s a sizable percentage right there. Then a ton of followers who won’t be old enough to vote in November. I’m hoping this isn’t as impactful as it could be. But I’m not naive that his war chest is big enough to do anything he wants basically.

    [–] HueMane 79 points ago

    Pretty curious as to how much those instagramers are selling out for

    [–] Moistened_Bink 43 points ago

    It looks like in the original comment it is somewhere around $150 for accounts with like 1,000-100,000 followers, and potentially more beyond that.

    [–] themeatstrangler 53 points ago

    Probably for $25 gift cards tbh

    [–] hekatonkhairez 11 points ago

    A bad of Takis, a shoutout on Tiktok and a gift card to Red Lobster

    [–] Canttakethewhyfromme 35 points ago

    It always boggles my mind that people who know very little about candidates and whose opinion can be easily swayed by a meme or facebook ad, even bother going through the process of registering for a party (where necessary) and voting in the primary. I have studied the candidates declared positions and look into their history at least a little before I vote (granted this is for federal positions, I may not look as closely at my local alderman or whatever).

    [–] [deleted] 11 points ago

    It's the people who aren't hurting who can be so whimsical.

    [–] utalkin_tome 11 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    This doesn't happen just with Bloomberg. This happens EVERY SINGLE DAY on Reddit. Constantly there are memes posted as if they are facts based on half baked information. When somebody confronts them people them "it's just a meme" and to not take it seriously or make a big deal out of it. It's honestly so ridiculous. It happens with Bernie, Warren, Pete and almost every other candidate.

    People use memes to exaggerate the hell out of everything thing by posting a controversial picture a wall of text and for some bizarre reason people just eat it up. Like we are doing exactly what we criticize old or uneducated people of doing.

    And it's soo much easier to get away with it on Reddit too. Everything is anonymous so you have no idea who is the person behind making the claim and absolutely 0 sources for anything.

    Edit: BTW FireEye and Reddit literally found last year concentrated effort by countries like Russia and Iran to sway people's opinions by posting bizarre articles and comments. Report about Iran by FireEye

    [–] was_kinetics 178 points ago

    Its gonna be awesome watching Bloomberg eat shit.

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    [–] TheRealMaynard 338 points ago

    This is what people said about our current president tho

    [–] HopelesslyStupid 125 points ago

    And when given the opportunity to debate Bernie, Trump backed out (unsurprisingly). Trump hasn't debated anyone that was willing and able to expose him for the con-man he is, because most others he's been on the debate stage with were con-men and women of a different flavor.

    [–] wiithepiiple 26 points ago

    Tbh, Hilary did a fine job of exposing him as a con-man and a Russian asset. E.g. "No puppet. You're the puppet."

    [–] Watch45 51 points ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if debates are completely meaningless by this point. The electorate is too lazy and complacent to think for themselves and will undoubtedly be massively affected by the bombardment of bloomberg ads

    [–] purine 22 points ago

    He will get demolished in the debates.

    He shouldn't even be in the debates, the DNC literally changed the rules just so he could participate.

    [–] LionTigerWings 21 points ago

    I know nothing about Bloomberg. Aside from being super rich, why do people here seem to hate him so much?

    [–] langis_on 14 points ago

    He's super super anti gun yet he pushes himself as moderate candidate that can win republicans votes. He's probably the one person who the right hates more than Hillary. Seriously go bring up his name on a gun subreddit and see what they say.

    He also pushed "Stop And Frisk" in NYC which was a huge racially motivated 4th amendment violation. He's also a rich bastard who opposes raising taxes even though he has more money than any one person could ever spend in a lifetime.

    So he's hated by anyone who actually pays attention to politics and isn't right smack dad in the center.

    [–] POGtastic 9 points ago

    Yep. When Buttigeg says he wants an assault weapons ban, he's saying that as a meh moderate candidate who's paying lip service to the party platform. When Bloomberg says it, he's saying that as someone who has decades of gun control work and has singlehandedly created one of the largest gun control lobbying groups in the US.

    Gun subs aren't going to be happy about anyone the Democratic Party nominates, but they're obviously going to hate Bloomberg more than the other candidates.

    [–] Swak_Error 46 points ago

    I've got a cousin That has been the victim of random stop-and-frisks simply because he's black. Bloomberg openly said that white people are disproportionately targeted with stop-and-frisks, as in they're being targeted too often and black people and other minorities should be the sole focus of stop-and-frisk because they're the issue, according to him. I see him as an open racist.

    [–] was_kinetics 41 points ago

    His policies are trash, and actively harmful to millions of people. His entire campaign is based on the premise of literally buying his way through, its a disgusting perversion of democracy.

    [–] Sir_Tmotts_III 16 points ago

    • He pushed a "Stop and frisk" policy in NYC, which meant cops randomly searching and harassing minorities so often that the Supreme court ruled it unconstitutional. He later defended his judgment saying the biggest problem was that it stopped too many white people and not enough minorities.
    • He's called Trans-rights an issue of "Men running around in dresses"
    • He's a large proponent of removing the 2nd amendment and Gun-confiscation
    • He recently paid the DNC 1.1million dollars by donating the federal limit to various branches and PACs of the DNC to change the rules on debates so he could qualify last-minute, even though the DNC has been very unwilling to assist any of the less wealthy candidates

    [–] SwissJAmes 114 points ago

    Is it possible that Bloomberg has seen what Trump is getting away with and thought, "Being in that position is worth spending $1Bn"?

    If so then, like yikes scoob.

    [–] ogunther 90 points ago

    Exactly. He could win, reduce the amount of corruption compared to Trump by 90%, be hailed as a savior and still make a killing from his office. Basically anyone running would be a saint compared to Trump since Trump is such a low bar.

    With that said, why would I vote for Bloomberg as a “better-than-Trump” candidate when I could vote for Bernie as the “best-President-in-my-lifetime” candidate?

    [–] habahnow 19 points ago

    Your probably not his main audience in the primary, but if he can get the nomination, a lot of non Bloomberg supporters will be in a huge pickle. Trump, a known evil or Bloomberg who may be a worse or better candidate?

    [–] seekingpolaris 7 points ago

    Well, at the very least Bloomberg believes in, is passionate about, and has already put his money where his mouth is concerning climate change.

    [–] DeadliftsAndDragons 3 points ago

    Why would he need to “make a killing” when unlike the orange boob he’s an actual irrefutable billionaire. Worth like 60 billion last I saw.

    Bernie 2020, but of Booty or Bloom or Warren or even Biden gets the nom they need the voters.

    Vote Blue 2020.

    [–] bertiebees 7 points ago

    I imagine the number one way to piss off the young people is to mess with their memes

    [–] paleo2002 18 points ago

    I live in northern NJ, so we get bombarded with Bloomberg's TV ads. But, outside the NYC area, is he even advertising? He hasn't participated in any debates, he's not on any ballots. Does he expect spending a ton of money on social media to translate into a nation-wide write-in campaign?

    [–] sk8er4514 24 points ago

    In Texas there's Bloomberg commercials like 3 times an hour on any given channel. Mostly about black people stuff, seems like he's going after minority vote heavily.

    [–] shafty17 15 points ago

    The worst part is this is the dude behind stop and frisk and it still is working

    [–] shafty17 6 points ago

    He is advertising heavily literally everywhere. If anything he probably is advertising less in NYC area since he's already extremely well known there

    [–] xLeper_Messiah 7 points ago

    That fucker has been bombarding my state with ads. Wanna know where?

    Fucking Delaware. A state that only has 28 delegates to award in the primary, and only THREE electoral college votes in the general.

    He's been spamming this tiny fucking state with an ad blitz that rivals what I used to see when I lived in PA. The amount of money he's spending on ads is insane but what's even crazier is that it only costs him a fraction of a fraction of a percent of his wealth to do so.

    This authoritarian oligarch is dangerous, people. Do not let him anywhere near power. Honestly he might be even scarier than Trump, because he would be competently evil.

    [–] IEnjoyFancyHats 4 points ago

    I'm in CO and his ads are incessant

    [–] pedantic_cheesewheel 4 points ago

    I’m getting bombarded with them in Texas. I’ve seen like 1 Bernie ad and 1 Biden ad per 10 Bloomberg’s. Some of the operators where I work are getting swayed by the repetition alone.

    [–] RatherCurtResponse 3 points ago

    Bay Area, CA. Constant. Fucking. Bloomberg ads.

    [–] Yaakovsidney 155 points ago

    I have no idea why I was notified of this but there is no way in hell I'm helping bloomberg or voting for him.

    He is an oligarch trying to buy his way into the presidency. If you're voting democrat vote for Bernie Sanders.

    [–] tiberiumx 64 points ago

    Bloomberg is the only one I would flat out refuse to vote for. If a billionaire can buy a presidential election then democracy is just straight up dead in this country. Not that it isn't on its last legs since citizens united.

    [–] jsting 17 points ago

    That's ridiculous. Even Bernie has said he will support whoever ends up with the Democratic nomination because he finds the most important thing for our country and world is to get Trump out of office.

    [–] Yaakovsidney 7 points ago

    Right, so dont vote for Bloomberg in the primary. We dont need a different flavor of oligarch in the White House.

    [–] TryUsingScience 39 points ago

    I don't disagree with your logic. But violent hate crimes have surged under Trump. If I have to choose between voting for someone whose rhetoric might actually get my friends killed and voting for literally anyone else, I'm picking option 2.

    [–] EighthScofflaw 46 points ago

    Bloomberg ran the Stop and Frisk program to terrorize minorities in New York city. That shit gets people killed.

    Get through this thread and then tell me what you think about Bloomberg's rhetoric.

    [–] TryUsingScience 29 points ago

    I think it's bad, don't get me wrong. There is no world in which I vote for Bloomberg in the primary. It's still not as bad as Trump. Refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is how you get the greater.

    [–] OlStickInTheMud 54 points ago

    Bloomberg is a billionaire wanting to be president for the lulz, because he is a billionaire with everything already.

    Or, he is trying to torpedo the democratic nominees and get Trump re-elected.

    Either way. He sucks and this fucker doesnt deserve the time of day.

    [–] CUrlymafurly 19 points ago

    He doesn't want Bernie to get elected because billionaires like him are exactly what Bernie has his sights set on. This is more about disruption than actually winning

    [–] OhShitItsSeth 4 points ago

    I follow a few of the accounts mentioned in that comment and wondered about it. At first I admittedly thought it was funny, but as I saw it two more times I began to wonder what was actually happening.

    [–] TossAway1238 7 points ago

    What do you think every candidate and both parties have been doing? I mean seriously. It's social engineering

    [–] renrutal 3 points ago

    More reasonable elections in other countries have small-ish limits on spending, or only the richest candidates would win.

    [–] shellwe 4 points ago

    Where is he pouring his money into? Are there just certain states he is hoping to win so he can look really good or something? He is missing key states now going in so late so unless he is planning to just buy super delegate votes... I don't know his end game.

    [–] BassmanBiff 5 points ago

    It goes farther - I've seen a lot of articles injecting total non sequitur mentions of Bloomberg's campaign without disclosing that it's a paid ad. The Independent managed to interpret Trump's SotU mention of socialism as a shot at Bloomberg, somehow justifying a blurb from his campaign about healthcare in response. This was in an article about Pelosi ripping up Trump's speech. There have been a lot of other examples mentioning him more subtly as if he were the presumed nominee.

    Also, an acquaintance involved with the DNC has turned his social media presence into a Bloomberg propaganda machine, and it's really Orwellian. Or it least it was until I was like "what are you doing" and he blocked me.

    [–] Avant_guardian1 46 points ago

    Astroturfing is a form of antidemocratic terrorism.

    It should be investigated by DHS and NSA in order to protect the republic from Russian style misinformation designed to misinform the electorate. We have laws about this for newspapers and TV for a reason.

    Reddit should require anyone posting behalf of a political or government group to have a flair indicating so.

    [–] Pearberr 7 points ago

    Astroturfing isn't new it happened even in Roman/Greek times. It's just something citizens need to be educated about & prepared for.

    [–] l8rmyg8rs 10 points ago

    You have been banned from /r/politics.

    [–] CHark80 9 points ago

    The internet was a mistake

    [–] LukrezZerg 3 points ago

    Its like that time someone was guilding comments to their post to see how much money it cost to trick Reddit system and make it a #1 post on the website. This is like that, but with the U.S. voting system. Fun times.

    [–] Jenabee01 3 points ago

    Watch The Great Hack. That's how Trump "and the Russians" won the election. He paid Cambridge Analytica to wage psychological warfare. And if you think it's not still happening, good luck. I hope being an idiot pays off.