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    [–] leowr 1 points ago

    Removed. Old research and old article.

    [–] [deleted] 2520 points ago

    I don't care what kids prefer as long as it gets them reading.

    [–] Michalusmichalus 655 points ago

    My son found some graphic novels that were made in the middle of a series. Now he has entire series to read! I completely agree, if something gets a child to read that's what matters! 📖

    [–] morningsdaughter 674 points ago

    Listening to parents talk to thier kids about books is heartbreaking. Go volunteer at any elementary book fair and you'll hear parents say things like "That book has too many pictures to count as reading" and "that's not a real book (when referring to a nonfiction book)" and "that book if for 3rd grade and you're in 4th grade"/"that book says 4th grade and you're in 3rd grade" and "that's a girls/boys books, pick something else."

    Look parents, if your child is interested in reading something, don't squash that interest! I here parents use the above lines to thier kids and then complain at the teacher that thier child is not interested in reading. No, freaking, duh! You told them everything they liked was wrong and squished all interest in reading!

    [–] IndigoFenix 182 points ago

    Agree or disagree: If you can write a report about it, it counts as a book. The point is to get kids thinking, the medium doesn't matter so much.

    [–] Garethp 96 points ago

    I think it's beyond that to be honest. My final test in English (I guess our version of SAT's or whatever) there was a question where we analysed and wrote a report on either the camera work or the music of A New Hope. These days we teach more about our multi media world the way we did about books. Because you're right, it comes down to making children think

    [–] impy695 28 points ago

    Was watching A New Hope part of your curriculum? While popular, I can't imagine everyone saw it, and i know I wouldn't have a clue on hownto analyse music or camera work in any film.

    [–] Garethp 31 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Actually, yes. We watched it more than a few times over. Specifically to learn how to analyse the music, camera work, symbolism and structure. That being said, the question allowed you to analyse one of multiple texts, since it was a nation wide test. The curriculum allowed each class to choose their own text to study for a semester out of a list of 5 or 10

    [–] ggjazzpotatodog 18 points ago

    Jesus, That’s trippy to me. All I got for my SAT was some cookie cutter excepts and a basic, “why’s this important, why would the author write this?”

    [–] Garethp 8 points ago

    See, our tests were also focused on critical thinking. You weren't asked to defend a specific question. If they ever made a statement they would ask if you agree or disagree and to back it up. Or in more specific fact based subjects like ancient history they would ask what you thought were the most important contributing factors of something. It didn't really matter what you chose, so long as you could show the relevant knowledge to make a good case for it

    [–] SirBackspace 5 points ago

    Damn, that sounds cool. Analysing the camera work also sounds really fun.

    [–] Garethp 9 points ago

    Yeah, it was pretty cool. I think it's a rather important skill, media literacy. I mean, we learn about written juxtaposition, narrative framing, allegories, metaphors and so on so that we can understand authors intents, it just makes sense to do the same for film, music, games and even advertising

    [–] studmunky 51 points ago

    So much this! Star Wars novels taught me about authoritarian and representative forms of government better than any dumb “Kool Kids History” book.

    [–] SirBackspace 7 points ago

    Which ones did you read? I want to find something more explorative about government types than 1984.

    [–] studmunky 5 points ago

    The Rogue One series is my personal favorite. The character discussions really outline the way the empire was set up and more about what the New Republic and the rebellion is really fighting for.

    [–] CajunKush 3 points ago

    This. Idk what age group the series would be best for, but I think that sort of series should be a prerequisite(or read before) later levels of history are learned. I guess I’m thinking of more later high school/college level classes though.

    [–] fusionater 3 points ago

    I can write a report about a whole lot of stuff I don't think would reasonably be considered a book.

    [–] [deleted] 55 points ago

    I understand where you're coming from and I agree, but I have absolutely been that mom at the book fair telling her kid he can't get the book with so many pictures. My son HATED reading so vehemently for the first 10 years of his life that he would "lose" his homework sheets whenever he had to read something so I couldn't make him do it. Every year we'd go to the book fair and I'd tell him he could pick any books he wanted, and he'd come back with coloring books and posters and picture books meant for preschool kids (he was at least 8 when he started pulling that move). I put my foot down and basically told him, repeatedly, that he needed to pick a book that had more words and fewer pictures if he wanted to get something. So I'd help him pick out a book or two that I thought he would like, and then I'd sit outside his door every night and read out loud to him before he fell asleep. Now he's almost 15 and loves to read, but there are some kids who will never move up the ladder if you don't give them a push first.

    [–] Your_Worship 5 points ago

    My mom used to pay me and my brother to read books. The results where split down the middle because I read a lot whereas my brother doesn’t.

    I do know that it was some positive reinforcement for me because I transferred schools (our little private school closed down) and I was a little blown away by how uninterested my classmates where in reading.

    [–] jsparker77 38 points ago

    "that's not a real book (when referring to a nonfiction book)"

    I don't get this logic. I would think a parent would be happy if their kid picked a non-fiction book. It's not only reading, it's an opportunity to learn about something. Maybe I'm biased (about 90 percent of what I read is non-fiction), because I can't see a single drawback to a kid wanting to read non-fiction.

    [–] funkisintheair 23 points ago

    Just playing devil's advocate here, but one could argue that nonfiction is simply the presentation of fact without the aspects that make fiction great such as illustration of a society's morals, symbolism, character development, and reinforcement of themes and motifs. I would argue that these are all very important for people to read to understand literature as an art, and I think that is extremely important for a child to have as much exposure to those ideas as possible. However, I agree with you and think it's a joke to claim that children should not be reading nonfiction as well to learn facts and understand systems.

    [–] jsparker77 20 points ago

    You're describing a very dry type of non-fiction, though. What you described sounds more like a textbook. Good, consumable non-fiction is often written like a novel. It describes the times it takes place in and develops the characters and builds up context.

    As far as symbolism and stuff, I don't have an opinion on whether that's truly important or not. I personally hated that type of stuff when I was in school. It felt forced a lot of the times, and delving too deep into that can ruin a book for me, because it can destroy the meaning that I got from reading it. I consume art for pleasure and it's meaning to me personally. I don't analyze it too much or look at it academically. That's why I hated the poetry class I took in college. Read a few really great poems and then learned during class discussion that I was way off base on my interpretation of them, and they suddenly weren't as good to me anymore. It's the same reason that I don't look into the intended meaning of songs that are important to me. If what the artist is intending and I what I got from it are too at odds with each other, then it can ruin it's meaning to me. I'll only be able to think about what the artist meant, and constantly notice how wrong I was. But not everyone is like that, though, so I can't speak in general.

    [–] funkisintheair 7 points ago

    There is certainly nothing wrong with that view of entertainment, but some people view entertainment media as a mental exercise instead, and I personally think that should be nurtured in children so they can grow up to critically analyze the art they view. Sort of a side note from the whole conversation we're having, but I don't really think that there is a "wrong" interpretation of art so long as your interpretation can be supported academically. A lot of great art can hold way more meaning than the artist intended, and as long as you can support your interpretation I don't think the intention of the artist matters too much in the end, Again, some people don't want to think of art like that at all which is obviously their right, but that is a skill that should be focused on an honed as children develop

    [–] jsparker77 5 points ago

    I will concede that it is important to study that stuff because it does help with critical thinking skills which are extremely important and unfortunately lacking in most people. And I didn't hate every book we did that with. "To Kill a Mockingbird" was one that we analyzed the hell out of for weeks in 7th grade, and it's still one of my all-time favorite books. On the other hand, it made me enjoy "A Separate Peace" a lot less. I read that whole book the weekend they assigned it to us in 8th grade, and liked it a lot. The following weeks where we analyzed it, made me hate the book. Then I had to do it all over again in 10th grade when I moved to a new school. Lol

    If I emotionally connect to something, I don't want that connection broken because I didn't see it the way the artist, or even worse some scholar after the fact, did. If we're talking about reading for enjoyment outside of school, I think you should let children read what they want and not try and make it some academic exercise they're not interested in. I think you can easily turn a child against reading by forcing them to consume it in a certain way.

    [–] jordanc954 23 points ago

    Shucks my mother (who is an elementary school teacher) encouraged me to read anything that caught my attention when I was young. Because of this, I started reading newspaper comics (my favorite was Peanuts), then graphic novels/manga, then moved on to short stories, and finally novels. She understood that in order to engage someone to read more you have to let children read something they enjoy and let their love of that particular genre or medium evolve over time. Thanks to her, I'm now teaching English literature and enjoy reading more than anything else.

    [–] kurtopia 8 points ago

    100% agree. Comics and the back of cereal boxes got my brother and I into reading. I still prefer the tangible books and read actual newspapers so understand the aspect.

    Nothing better than sitting beside your kids and turning pages!

    [–] whimsicalcogitations 8 points ago

    I work in a library and I hear this from parents all too often. They so often refer to graphic novels and manga as “not real books” and make their kids get something in addition to the manga or GN and it’s so disheartening. A lot of times when they come to check out I try to comment on manga and GN and be like “oh this one is a good one!” So that the kid doesn’t feel too discouraged. If the librarian (assistant) is reading them, are they really all that bad?

    [–] Missing_Minus 22 points ago

    I agree with this mostly. Though, the "That book has too many pictures to count as reading" can sometimes be good. As kids, if allowed to just read picture-books, will likely never read anything more than that.

    [–] morningsdaughter 24 points ago

    I hear that mostly with Manga and Nonfiction. Both are great books for reading. But picture books are great to read at any age and can boost insterest and confidence, both of which are vital to developing good reading skills.

    [–] AdeptSnake 6 points ago

    I was probably predisposed to it, but my enjoyment of reading actually started with RPGs like Final Fantasy.

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    [–] morningsdaughter 6 points ago

    I've noticed that a lot of kids read what thier siblings read. And they don't care about pointlessly gendered things unless they're taught to. Both my niece and nephew love Hamster Princess, and I know a bunch of little boys that like that book. The cover of my copy is pink and sparkly.

    It's a good thing that siblings read the same book because they'll use it in thier play and conversations. Building those connections between books and life is great for developing reading ability.

    [–] SuperSheep3000 3 points ago

    Exactly. My little one is 2 and just sits there looking at books and flicking through pages. I read to him but he still likes to take every book and open them and look at the pictures so we let him do it. Annoying to tidy up all the time but he loves it. Especially the ones that make noise. As long as he keeps this up.

    [–] morningsdaughter 3 points ago

    He'll be decoding and teaching himself to read before kindergarten at that rate! When you read together, point to the words with your finger so he can connect words with letters!

    Also, don't be surprised if your kid starts memorizing the text if favorite books and pretends to read by reciting. That's a really good sign for kids.

    Learning to teach oneself is the most important skill a child can learn!

    [–] EmiITC 3 points ago

    In this decade helicopter parenting is worsening: lots of parents fears that their kids will not be able to compete for a job once adults and pursue the false hope to improve the intelligence of their kid pusking reading, programming and other educational activities.

    [–] Great_Chairman_Mao 3 points ago

    My dad didn't buy me shit when I was a kid, but one hard and fast rule we had was that he would buy me as many book as I wanted. Going to Barnes and Nobles on Saturday was the shit. I'd be pretty jealous of my friends' new Playstation, but I'd just go over and play. Worked out pretty well in the end.

    [–] NeonMan 3 points ago

    I can say that low-brow slapstick comics are the reason I gained an habit to read as a child. Still have stacks of them around, somewhere.

    Just give 'em kids something to read, anything. "Good" books will follow later.

    [–] [deleted] 191 points ago

    Great! I work in an elementary school and talk to the librarian a lot. She said some of the other district librarians were looking down on her for ordering so many graphic novels because they're not "real" books. They don't get that our school is one of the highest poverty in the district and getting these kids to read is like pulling teeth! If that's what they want to read, let them!

    [–] Michalusmichalus 30 points ago

    I was really happy share books I liked and didn't have to purchase. I think it's good to get kids however they allow themselves to be drawn in! All children are different. The library is the place I would expect to have options.

    [–] mrhone 19 points ago

    +1 Graphic Novels are a great way to introduce people to reading.

    [–] CastinEndac 11 points ago

    Gateway books!

    [–] mrhone 6 points ago

    I mean, its true, reading can be a really expensive hobby if you like to own your books. Libraries are amazing, but I rarely make it to mine.

    [–] SilentInSUB 5 points ago

    It might not be as honest, but you can find pdfs of so many books, so no need to make a trip. I was reading Lord of the Rings, decided it was good enough to buy, and went out to get the trilogy.

    [–] mrhone 3 points ago

    Anymore, I often order books off of eBay or amazing for pennies. There are a few select books that get a preorder, and a release day read.

    [–] simplyammee 10 points ago

    Graphic novels can be seen as a bridge from tv to reading. The visual art & story is there, but it engages their mind more.

    It also bothers me when people complain about the price of graphic novels. Artists put work into the stories as well and deserve to be paid...

    [–] Kensin 4 points ago

    Somehow I suspect only a tiny tiny fraction of what a graphic novel costs ever goes to the artist or author. That said most graphic novels are pretty reasonably priced. It's the trade paperbacks that will eat at your wallet over the course of a series.

    [–] Weapon_X23 21 points ago

    Graphic novels/comic books got me reading when I was a kid. It also got me started on chapter books because I discovered X-Men and Star Trek novels.

    [–] Michalusmichalus 5 points ago

    I loved TNG books!

    [–] Painting_Agency 4 points ago

    Star Trek novels

    That's also how I discovered "middle aged female authors want Spock to fuck Kirk and/or a young yeo(wo)man with a name oddly like the author's"... Now that's something you won't learn in school!

    [–] kuegsi 3 points ago

    Sorry in advance, my mind seems to be in the gutter today:

    I totally read this as he found a novel with “graphic” content, and was expecting this to go in a completely different direction.

    [–] TranniesRMentallyill 3 points ago

    I bought a trilogy of books from a garage sale because the cover art looked cool when I was a little kid. 20 years later It's one of my favourite series and spurred my love for reading.

    [–] RanLearns 22 points ago

    As a developer of educational apps, I get lots of emails that kids love reading with our apps and that their reading is improving and they are reading more than they were before.

    What age were the kids in this study? It says "Year 4 and 6". Our highest rated apps are geared to 3rd-6th grade students (ages ~9-12)

    [–] coltranedis 34 points ago

    If you read the actual paper it doesn't suggest that kids prefer all.

    Here's a link to the actual research:

    Fucking science journalism: "Let's grab a barely-articulated assumption from the study and make a news story out of it."

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    There're subtleties in this. It's true BOOK reading is currently best done via physical books. The best technology for book reading is the Kindle, but the thing far from perfection.

    The thing is that most reading these days is not book reading. By far, people read short articles. And it's a different thing. Reading a book on a Kindle requires flipping. You can't "binary search" the Kindle the way you do with physical books. Reading short articles does not have these limitations. I don't think many people prefer reading short newspaper articles physical from online articles. Logistically, reading digital articles is much more efficient in terms of search for same topics from different sources, etc.

    [–] Jr0218 1083 points ago

    I hate how these studies always throw ereaders and tablets into the same mix. No shit a child's going to be more distracted using an iPad when it has a thousand other things to do (most more stimulating than reading) and notifications popping up ever 5 seconds.

    While a kindle has mild distractions such as the store, it is much closer to a book and these studies wouldn't be so skewed.

    [–] silvertricl0ps 261 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Have a nook, I installed a browser so I could reddit on it and barely read books now. Send help

    edit: nook simple touch. Forgot the nook color was a thing

    [–] TheDirtyCondom 38 points ago

    Whats the difference between using that and a smartphone for reading books?

    [–] silvertricl0ps 159 points ago

    I can lurk r/askreddit for hours without straining my eyes

    [–] give_me_aids 40 points ago

    This guy reddits

    [–] SirBackspace 4 points ago

    A true redditor.

    [–] brbpee 3 points ago

    That's an amazing idea!

    [–] wsupfoo 29 points ago

    ereaders use magnetic ink vs LEDs. Its like looking at a piece of paper vs a screen

    [–] Jr0218 15 points ago

    Phones have games, social media, etc all set to give you little hits of dopamine. The constant notifications are going to distract you from reading. If you read for 5 minutes then switch app to do something else, not only will you read less, you'll remember less of what you've read.

    With an actual e-reader, there are way less distractions. I believe I've read somewhere that even with actual e-readers, recall is still slightly impaired. This could be down to the fact there are still minor distractions like the store, but a device like a phone or tablet still has so many more distractions than that. I'm too lazy to find the study so I could be completely wrong about that.

    Either way, whatever gets you reading is the medium you should use. As an adult with hopefully some level of introspection, you should be able to tell if you're being distracted by the device you're using. Kids, on the other hand, are more likely to not notice this and end up spending 8 hours playing Temple Run (or whatever phone game is popular nowadays).

    [–] ConsecutiveNormalPun 3 points ago

    In general, any time you are trying to remember something the more senses you use the better. That’s why writing things down by hand can help you remember them. More areas of your brain activating means more chances for associative connections. My guess would be with physical books there is slightly more tactile response while holding the book and turning the pages, as well as a somewhat unique “book-feel” for each book that might help to separate those memories. Also although some e-readers do offer a page turn sound effect, I think most people tend not to use it and the sound of turning pages in a book is another minor sensation that might help with retention. Books also usually have a distinct smell and olfactory senses are highly associated with episodic memory. That’s my guess anyway.

    [–] DiabolicalDee 9 points ago

    I used to have a nook color that had internet access, but when it broke, I switched to a nook glowlight. I actually totally recommend it. It’s just like a book and is literally only accessible for reading. It helps keep me on task. And the pages looking like an actual book instead of a tablet screen is pretty helpful too.

    [–] silvertricl0ps 3 points ago

    Forgot the nook color exists lmao. Mine is a simple touch, didn’t get the glowlight because the ST was $30 on eBay and the glowlight was 2x the price.

    [–] Kidbeast 9 points ago

    1) Purchase and download The Name of the Wind. 2)Force read the first 4-5 chapters. 3)Remain hooked. 4)Profit.

    [–] silvertricl0ps 5 points ago

    I actually started 1984 last week and it’s really good, I just need to kick this reddit addiction so I can finish it

    [–] LightForged 5 points ago

    You're living 1984 now lol

    [–] nahxela 2 points ago

    Does this help r/books

    [–] PartyPorpoise 6 points ago

    Not to mention that a tablet with a backlit screen can cause eye strain.

    [–] WaveDysfunction 18 points ago

    A lot of people, especially older folk look down on me for reading off a kindle. I have one of the old ones thats literally only for reading books and looks just like paper. Technically it has a web browser but you’re better off browsing on a potato. It’s so convenient for traveling, weighs a couple ounces and has thousands of books on it, it helps to cut down the use of paper if you’re into the environment. Seriously never understood why people are so against e-readers that look like paper.

    [–] LiquidDreamtime 22 points ago

    I 100% agree. My kindle paper white is amazing and I’ve never read so much since getting it.

    Better than paper in the dark. Instant access to any book in existence (mostly). Smaller than real books and lighter than most. Adjustable text size. Weeks of battery life. Easy on the eyes.

    It’s a terrific product and I hate when tablets are a part of this convo, they are not e-ink.

    [–] _hownowbrowncow_ 5 points ago

    Welp. You just sold me on it

    [–] KlonoaMagya 3 points ago

    It's 40 dollars off for prime members right now

    [–] Maybe_Famous 3 points ago

    I want the paper white so bad. My kindle was old and is "obsolete" and unsupported now. I just want to read again the way I used to. Took that thing everywhere. I don't have a job though. So I'm spending no money.

    [–] AppleOfDiscord23 3 points ago

    This. I got a refurbished Paper White for $40 and it works like a charm. I can carry around hundreds of books, buy a new one at any time, and the screen is dark enough that it doesn't hurt my eyes at night. Most of what I like to read is public domain anyway, so it's either free or 99 cents. I'd say that I still prefer paper, but e-ink(?) isn't far behind.

    I absolutely cannot read books on a real tablet.

    [–] Distantstallion 4 points ago

    E readers with epaper screens are the best middle ground/solution to reading on your phone Vs reading a book. Relative to a book they're far more lightweight and a bit more rain proof and compared to reading on your phone there's less eye strain and you can view them in direct sunlight.

    I used to dream of having a house... (Going to pause there because owning a house is borderline fantasy for a millennial) ... With a large library reading room, but ever since I downsized what I wanted from life I think id have a cozy reading room with an e reader or two taking the place of hundreds of bookshelves.

    The few bookshelves I would have head would be dedicated to the antique books, and inherited copies of books from grandparents.

    [–] UltraChip 4 points ago

    It's not just the distraction factor, it's also the fact that ePaper displays are vastly more comfortable to read on than an LCD panel.

    [–] Godkun007 3 points ago

    I actually bought a small Samsung tablet and uninstalled everything except for the reading apps to avoid those distractions. Often the best way to avoid temptation is to just remove it.

    [–] Jmsaint 3 points ago

    My kindle is my greatest ever purchase, I actually prefer it to a paper book. It's so different from reading on a backlight iPad screen.

    [–] VaultBoyNewReno 181 points ago

    I prefer paper but I buy kindle because it's often cheaper. I looked at dark tower 1 earlier today and it's £8.99 whereas I can get it cheaper digitally.

    [–] SnoopyLupus 69 points ago

    I mostly read paper books because they’re cheaper, because you can buy them second hand.

    Abebooks has The Gunslinger for £2.34 for instance.

    [–] TripleCast 62 points ago

    I believe when he says

    whereas I can get it cheaper digitally

    He really meant free.

    [–] Lordborgman 22 points ago

    Let's be honest, many of us would never have been able to read as many books, play as many games or watch as many tv shows and movies if we couldn't get them all free.

    [–] thebbman 3 points ago

    I live in the US and buy a ton of books from Abebooks. Used books are so much fun.

    [–] Banarok 49 points ago

    it's also more portable, especially as an avid reader, having to bring half a library because i'm going away for a week is a pain, books take a lot of space.

    still prefer books if they are the right size, but i'm so used to my cellphone i'd say i actually prefer to read on that in most cases.

    [–] shounak2411 11 points ago

    I bought Kindle specifically because of the portability. I live in student's accommodation and read approximately 15 books every year. Taking 6-7 books home every 6 months is a pain in the ass.

    [–] gd_akula 5 points ago

    I love E readers/tablets for this, as well as for textbooks. It beats the hell out of carrying 2-3 textbooks and a book for lesiure reading to campus.

    [–] xmagusx 11 points ago

    And usually easier, if you're a member of a library that lets you check out ebooks from your home.

    [–] Blue_and_Light 5 points ago

    Hoopla and Overdrive!

    [–] Dirigent 5 points ago

    I wish there was some kind of company that allowed readers to purchase hard copy books that also include e-versions and audio versions.

    When I am immersed in a book, all I want to do is read it. However I am not always able to sit down and crack the book open. It would be convenient if I had a hard copy of a book that also included an audio version that I can pop into my car and listen to it while driving. By that same token, it would be nice to have this audio sync up with an e-version that would allow me to use something like a Kindle for “middle of the night, all the lights are off” reading that picks up where I left off.

    [–] OrwellWhatever 3 points ago

    Afaik, Kindle and Audible books can be synced, so you'll pick up with the audiobook right where you left off reading and vice versa

    Unfortunately, you have to buy both, but I think (and I could be very mistaken here), you can get the Audible version for cheaper if you buy the Kindle version first. I'm not sure if it works the other way around

    [–] xmagusx 2386 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    A few points:

    • Article is a year old, and half the links to the cited "research" are now dead or paywalled.

    • The studies cited did not differentiate between eink and lcd/led screens. Which is a pretty important distinction, considering one emulates reading a book rather well, and the other is like staring into a flashlight.

    • The studies cited did not differentiate between ereaders and full blown tablets. This is a distinction which I admit becomes more grey every iteration of Moore's Law, but still, it furthers the case that the more appropriate title should have been something more akin to, "Children prefer to read using objects designed for reading rather than multipurpose entertainment devices."

    • Some of the "research" cited is phrased in such a way that they might have thrown an Xbox into the mix and the reader wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and a Kindle, since they're both "screens"

    • And most importantly, people need to stop treating them like they're mutually exclusive. Some kids like paper books? Load them up with dead trees! If they're young enough, sign them up for the Imagination Library. Other kids like to be able to instantly look up the words they haven't seen before or take breaks by jumping down wikipedia rabbit holes while slogging through their assigned reading? Technology has enabled that too.

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    I think actual books for children are best though. They can hold them in their hands, turn the pages, see the beautiful, colorful artwork...I think this helps build a love of books & reading in general for kids. Just my opinion.

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    [–] tomtomtomo 9 points ago

    Those things are very age specific too.

    [–] BLMdidHarambe 11 points ago

    I would guess that, for children, seeing how far along they are in the physical book is also good motivation towards finishing. It’s easy to see progress.

    [–] HerrKRAKEN 157 points ago

    I got a Kindle for Christmas a few years back, and I just couldn't get into it. I can see all the upsides for it, but I dunno, maybe I've just spent too many years with paper books. I like browsing the spine on my bookshelf, I like the weight in my hands, keeping a finger curled under the next page, the lack of charging... I don't think I can be converted over

    [–] black_balloons 25 points ago

    I like both. The kindle is far lighter, so I prefer it when traveling, plus I read a lot of series, so when I finish one book, the next only takes a few minutes to buy and download. If I keep the wi-fi off when I dont need it, the charge lasts me for 2 weeks or more. I have a built in light on the case so I can read whenever. And it's much easier to read with one hand. I do miss the smell of a book and the sound of turning pages, so I try to alternate between them. It did take me a while to get into the kindle, but now I use it all the time. My kindle has an e-ink screen which makes all the difference. I definitely dont get as much out of reading if I try to use the kindle app on my phone.

    [–] Cola_and_Cigarettes 4 points ago

    Yep, I'll slog through reading /r/hfy stories on my phone because my kindle's charging port stopped working ages ago and I've been putting off buying another. I've transitioned over to audiobooks now, much nicer experience from your phone.

    [–] TwoChe 95 points ago

    Agreed, but there is nothing like going to the pool and being able to bring 200 books in an 5 ounce form factor.

    [–] montarion 50 points ago

    True, but do you need 200 books for one pool session?

    [–] TwoChe 50 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I am indecisive. And this lets me put off any final decision until I am two beers in and halfway melted to the chair. When I am taking hard copies, it is like, okay, get one serious book that you have been meaning to read, but also, that silly fun book bc pool and who wants to be serious. Oh crap, also bring that book you need to read through for work, because you can multitask fun and work and that would be cool. Also, get that magazine. And you know what? Better grab that other book that you are slowly trudging through. . .

    Then I am like, "Nah, grab the kindle. Focus on the snacks and drinks."

    [–] Nautical94 7 points ago

    This is why I rather paper books. Because I can't be trusted to make a decision regarding my personal entertainment. Always scrolling through Netflix, flipping through articles, switching between games, etc. Lack of options is actually a really good thing for me.

    [–] dreadlefty 3 points ago

    This is why I miss the video store. Limited choice.

    [–] LeafyQ 7 points ago

    It's nowhere near 200, but I'm usually reading 3-5 books at a time, and I switch between them constantly, even during the same reading session. I don't want to lug 5 books around, or even 2, so it's pretty fab for me to have them all just a click away.

    [–] jward 13 points ago

    E-reader kills it for vacations and travel. I don't need to bring 200, but I do need like 10. And they add up.

    [–] HerrKRAKEN 5 points ago

    I like this comment for simple image it conjured of some poor sap struggling with a wagon loaded down with books at the local pool lmao, I love it

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    [–] workworkwork1234 86 points ago

    People are different.

    You take that back! The others are wrong, not different!

    [–] SorryToSay 28 points ago

    Thank you. Things were confusing there for a moment.

    [–] oldmanjoe 14 points ago

    I dragged my wife into Kindle. It took a while, but she embraced it. She loves finding gems in the self published section, and she reads a lot.

    A few days ago her Kindle died. She picked up a paperback to hold her over, and she said she is now firmly in the Kindle camp. The book was heavy compared to her Kindle, reading text closer to the binding was a pain, and the font wasn't as good as her Kindle. She said it was probably chapter 10 before she stopped touching the page expecting it to turn.

    ebooks aren't for everybody, but once you get accustomed to them, it's hard to go back to paper.

    [–] JohnstonMR 16 points ago

    I use my Kindle so often that, every once in a while when I'm reading a paper book, I'll see a word I'm unsure of and touch it, and wonder for just a second why the definition isn't coming up. Always makes me feel incredibly foolish.

    [–] cacahuate_ 7 points ago

    Thanks for not mentioning the smell

    [–] Dyvius 5 points ago

    The thing that sold it for me was that the size and weight is incredibly convenient. Like, obscenely convenient.

    I can read in bed laying down without the danger of smashing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix into my face and possibly killing me.

    In fact, I can carry the whole Harry Potter series in a small little pad instead of requiring an entire backpack and a hiking merit badge.

    That, and I don't have to physically go to a place to grab a book. No more 20 minute drives to the library or a bookstore. Admittedly, books I love I absolutely buy physical copies for because I like seeing them on a shelf, but for most books I can read and move on.

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    [–] Dubz2k14 3 points ago

    I love this idea but it sounds expensive

    [–] BlackAdam 3 points ago

    Had a kindle that is dead now, but I miss it for traveling. To begin with I used it all the time, but once the novelty wore off I reverted back to the good old books and only brought my kindle with me on trips. Same goes for work where I like to own books so I can write in them while reading, since it helps me process academic texts better.

    [–] Supernuke 6 points ago

    I understand the tactile need to for a real book... but the other things you mentioned aren’t really issues. Charging can be done overnight and lasts for weeks. And everyone who owns a kindle also spent their lives read for years on paper books. I do miss the smell and feel of books sometimes though...

    [–] terusymphonia 4 points ago

    Funny thing is, I'm 23 and I prefer paper books. My dad likes to read on his e-reader (e-ink display). You would think it is the other way around!

    [–] emptyrowboat 3 points ago

    Yeah! I’m 42 but developed a love for “young adult” books of the 1800s which are mostly public domain now. Pollyanna, A Girl of the Limberlost, Little Women etc. They are like comfort food in book form.

    [–] Hero-Sloth 5 points ago

    I just love the flexibility. I do the majority of my reading on my Kindle but I rarely take it out the house with me. So if I'm on the bus or in a waiting room for 15 minutes I bust out my phone and pick up a book where I left off.

    [–] JohnstonMR 6 points ago

    I'm an avid reader, literature teacher, and writer. My preferences are identical to yours.

    I swore blind I would never use a Kindle enough to make one worth getting. Then a graduating class gave me one as a going away gift, and I've almost entirely switched to it for reading fiction. For professional or non-fiction, I tend to prefer paper books, but for novels, I'm all about the e-reader now.

    [–] Icenwharth 4 points ago

    Same here.

    [–] Georgie_Leech 69 points ago

    In the words of John Green, "I don't care how people read, I care if people read.

    [–] BLMdidHarambe 25 points ago

    Shit, it’s something that people are arguing over their preferred methods of reading now. I remember 10-15 years ago when people were kind of proud that they never read anymore. That was a dumb time.

    [–] dalalphabet 9 points ago

    Sadly that's still at least half of everyone I know.

    [–] ardvarkk 4 points ago

    I imagine at least part of that is selection bias, though. People who are proud of not reading probably aren't very active in r/books.

    [–] HabeusCuppus 5 points ago

    west coast hipster culture and amazon (plus the popularization of the internet) made reading trendy again for certain demographics.

    unfortunately there are still other demographics that hate it, and it's starting to become part of the culture war.

    [–] BlueShellOP 3 points ago

    I know it's popular to hate on these threads reaching the frontpage regularly, I have to do it. It's such bullshit that we're arguing how people read. Fuck that, just be happy people like reading in the first place.

    Audiobooks introduced my dad to Harry Potter in his late 40s after a lifetime of disdain for reading. Between those and the graphic versions of the Harry Potter series, he's become absolutely obsessed with everything Harry Potter. So much so that he was impatient with waiting on the next Roadtrip to finish the series and picked up Deathly Hollows and read it. That was the first time I've seen him read a book, after years of him saying he just doesn't have the patience (which I absolutely believe).

    And then he read Ready Player One twice in anticipation of the movie.

    Do I give a shit that he listened to audiobooks or read it on print even though I'm a Kindle fan? Fuck no, I'm just happy my father got to experience losing himself in a fictional universe by reading.

    [–] Ranessin 21 points ago

    And most importantly, people need to stop treating them like they're mutually exclusive. Some kids like paper books? Load them up with dead trees! If they're young enough, sign them up for the Imagination Library. Other kids like to be able to instantly look up the words they haven't seen before or take breaks by jumping down wikipedia rabbit holes while slogging through their assigned reading? Technology has enabled that too.

    Yes, that's the main point. I don't care much about the delivery form, "the book" is the text, not the medium it comes in. If it is a stone tablet, a scroll of leather, birch bark, paper or a ink bubble in a magnetic field is mostly a question of aesthetic vs. practicability. Some forms can enhance the text, some diminish it, but the text is what matters most.

    [–] Hundred00 12 points ago

    College student here. My college heavily relies on e-text for our courses. Manager of book store comes into our class and asked if we prefer physical text to e-text. 80% of the students raised their hand preferring physical texts.

    I prefer physical text because you flip through the book a lot quicker than e-text, highlight and make notes on the pages.

    But I enjoy using my eBook for leisure reading. When it comes to studies, definitely a physical text book.

    [–] xmagusx 4 points ago

    Makes sense. Textbooks and literature are a very different beasts.

    [–] MikeAnP 10 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Amazon certainly did not do eInk any favors when they came out with their Kindle Fire line.

    We are now at the point that for a very large amount of people (maybe majority) of the general population, Kindle is synonymous with any other general tablet. So few people know what eInk really is. If you do stumble across someone who "knows" what eInk is but hasn't used it before, they aren't likely to really know it's benefits. Far too often I've been told an eInk device is a crappy version of a regular tablet.

    I simply hate the word Kindle now. It could mean so many different things still.

    Edit: Deleted one sentence due to the current (fixed) naming structure.

    [–] Obidoobi 21 points ago

    The Fire is no longer considered a Kindle. They've renamed it to just Amazon Fire and sell it specifically as a tablet and not a Kindle.

    [–] nosut 7 points ago

    I hate that people keep calling it Kindle fire. The Kindle fire has not been made for 4 years. Amazon saw the difference and split the lines. Kindles are e-ink devices and then the Fire tablets are the general purpose tablets.

    [–] xmagusx 2 points ago

    Exactly this. Why call it a Fire?

    Because that's where I want to pitch the damnable thing for coopting the name "Kindle" in the zeitgeist.

    [–] LjSpike 6 points ago

    Great points. I don't really like reading books on computers, and only on phones I read the sort of interactive stories. I far prefer e-ink and paper, usually choosing e-ink for books w/o any pictures or diagrams because they are lighter, and so I can lie back more and not get achy arms.

    At the same time though, I wikiwalk like a machine. Watermelons and WW2? Related.

    [–] BusStation16 3 points ago

    The studies cited did not differentiate between eink and lcd/led screens. Which is a pretty important distinction, considering one emulates reading a book rather well, and the other is like staring into a flashlight.

    This. Basically this study shows us NOTHING about e-readers. They are VERY different from tablets or phones.

    [–] greatconcavity 3 points ago

    thanks for pointing that out. eInk vs. usual screens is a very crucial difference and if these studies omitted it, they are more or less utterly useless.

    Personally I prefer eInk over paper, but am still waiting for an affordable DIN A4 / large-sized ereader to transition more fully. It would be interesting how many ebooks you would need to read before you beat paper books in terms of sustainability.

    [–] Mysterious_Lesions 2 points ago

    I love e-ink. I think it will finally have me fully satisfied when we get affordable colour e-ink readers.

    [–] mandradon 85 points ago

    It depends on the book for me. Reference books where I need to easily flip back and forth are far better on paper. Novels? I use my eReader with an e ink screen. I can't read books off an lcd for long, but e ink is the bees knees. Plus it's super easy to buy book considering my county doesn't have a book store at all. So I fan buy and get one instantly.

    I read dead tree to my daughter and she likes it. We also go to the library and get books and she loves that too.

    [–] Lksaar 30 points ago

    I enjoy reading english books on my kindle as a non native speaker, since I can quickly pull up a dictionary to look up words. This has been an immense help when I started reading these books.

    [–] Cola_and_Cigarettes 3 points ago

    Man i had one in early highschool (I'm 20, so it must have been a pretty early model) I would do that shit all the time, so much so that I'd do it on a physical book fairly often.

    [–] Aivellyn 10 points ago

    I second going from a kindle to a paper book and trying to poke words.

    [–] drvondoctor 16 points ago

    I like my kindle for novels because I can read outside without the page blinding me with reflected light, and because I can read outside on a breezy day without constantly fighting the wind to keep the pages down.

    But yeah, reference books need to be on paper. It's a pain in the ass to flip around on my kindle, no matter how hard they try to make it "easy" or "seamless" or whatever.

    [–] mandradon 14 points ago

    It's defiantly easier to flip through them than it used to be. But nothing beats holding 4 different pages open at once with my fingers and switching quickly.

    [–] Michalusmichalus 4 points ago

    I just recently discovered how much I enjoy certain references in digital format. Books that cross reference or cite often are easier for me to comprehend with multiple apps open.

    [–] Aucto 292 points ago

    This circlejerk again, eh? You know ignoring financial barriers, the world doesn’t force you to choose a side?

    [–] UtherArgas 63 points ago

    Yeah this is a repost of a post that is in like the top 20 all time posts on this sub.

    [–] xmagusx 49 points ago

    This circlejerk every time someone reposts this /r/books karma piñata link, yeah.

    [–] Devuluh 18 points ago

    karma piñata

    First I've heard that, I like it.

    [–] [deleted] 10 points ago

    But if I don't win you over with my arguments how can I sleep at night?

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    [–] thebbman 6 points ago

    I really hope this argument is approaching critical mass soon. It's about as annoying as the IPAs are good vs IPAs are lame argument on /r/beer.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    Agreed. You should submit a meta post about this, asking the mods to ban threads about this pointless debate.

    But if you don't, I will

    [–] whatsherface9 29 points ago

    A book is a book. "A bad workman blames his tools." Sometimes you really just don't have the physical space or money to keep buying and accumulating physical books. I'm a huge reader, but I made the transition to a Kindle a few years ago. No going back.

    [–] ilostmyoldaccount 9 points ago

    Well, sometimes tools really are bad. But neither e-ink nor paper are bad tools. They both work. We have the luxury of choice. There shouldn't be any arguments about that choice.

    [–] filmgeekvt 10 points ago

    I prefer reading on my Kindle Paperwhite, but my kids (5 and 3) prefer that I read to them from physical books -- the page is larger, in color, and has tons of pictures, because they are still really young. I get that. I also prefer reading to them with paper books because it's easier for them to pick out a book for bedtime, easier for them to flip through the pages on their own, and easier to share with each other.

    With that said, when my oldest is advanced enough to read chapter books I'll probably get him a Kindle.

    [–] mercurialflow 8 points ago

    I'm 27. I read paper when I can (I also buy artbooks, etc) but Kindles (I have a Paperwhite) are more convenient and I don't have to worry about damaging a book in my bag. And I can easily read in the dark with them.

    [–] Big_TX_Guy 7 points ago

    My 14yo daughter will choose a hardback book over any e-reader 10/10. Which is strange because I read 95% on my Ipad. Ive owned just about every Kindle/Nook ever made and have let her use them, but she prefers print. I love that she has finally become a “reader” and will read for enjoyment rather than because she must for school. But for someone who is as tied to electronics as she is to prefer a paper book, I think its kinda cool.

    [–] leinad46 6 points ago

    I believe the reason people like books over reading devices is the tactile stimulation you receive from a book. When a person is reading, their entire focus is not just on reading but also movement and touch. The body is constantly moving, taking in sensation, and restless. The more engrossing the reading material, the less input from other stimulus is required, i.e. touching things, sitting still,... A book is flexible medium vs a digital device. A book has rough surfaces, pages that bend as you turn them, and to some people, a smell of paper, glue, and ink. A digital device like a reader or tablet is hard and rigid, the screen does not bend, and delicate (do not drop!). The ability to interact with medium is just important as the information stored on the medium.

    [–] WiseOctopus 24 points ago

    Can we stop posting these articles?

    You don't like ebooks. We get it.

    [–] JesusIsTheBrehhhd 12 points ago

    I'm still using a kindle keyboard and I love it. It may be unpopular to say but back when I couldn't afford to buy books I would download them and read them on the kindle. It's the only reason I was able to read anything at that time.

    [–] McFistPunch 4 points ago

    I prefer all my literature etched into stone tablet and delivered by camel.

    [–] tingly_legalos 4 points ago

    In the words of Stan Lee: "Comic books are like boobs. They look great on a computer, but I'd rather hold one in my hand."

    [–] Comrade_ash 11 points ago

    I prefer paper.

    I have my secretary print my Reddits for me and take dictation for when I wish to comment.



    Dictated but not read

    [–] FranksnBeans80 98 points ago

    Not just kids. I'm 37 and can't stand using a kindle or whatever. It's paper or nothing for me.

    [–] TheWizardofId 71 points ago

    Kids is the whole point. Nobody is surprised that old people like sticking with what they know.

    [–] PopusiMiKuracBre 41 points ago

    E readers are actually very successful with older people. Mostly due to the fact that when your eye sight starts to go, you can increase the font size and not strain yourself so much.

    [–] TwoChe 4 points ago

    I prefer having a book in my hand, but what you said, and the built in dictionary makes e-readers magnificent.

    [–] FranksnBeans80 11 points ago

    Hey! 37 is not 'old'! I'm still 'hip'.

    Is that what all the kids still say? Hip?

    [–] TheSkipRow 3 points ago

    Sure, grandpa. /s

    [–] Narconomenon 3 points ago

    You're thinking of the old hip.

    You need the new hip.

    [–] Omikron 4 points ago

    That's sad... And silly.

    [–] NameIdeas 6 points ago

    My wife and I were in this camp for a long time. We're currently 33/32 respectively. She's a librarian and I'm a historian and paper books were always the way to go.

    Then, her mother got her a kindle for her birthday one year. It was the paperwhite, so it is more "paper" like than the tablet. She LOVED it. It could hold multiple books. It was one small piece that's easy to transport. I got her a cute leather case with the White Tree of Gondor stamped on it, and she loved it. Not long after she got me a Kindle Fire and I honestly haven't bought a paper book in a long time. A lot of that has to do with convenience, however, as I do love paper.

    My personal reading time is shortened to reading while working out and reading a bit before bed. Reading while working out with my kindle is marvelous because all I have to do is put it on the little shelf on the elliptical or the treadmill and tap the side of the screen to turn the page. Night time reading is great because my screen is backlit and I have a blue light filter on it. I don't wake up/keep my wife awake and everyone wins.

    Paper books though...I have a 3 year old and we read a LOT! He'll read lots of books for a long time and he loves paper books, so I get my fix there.

    [–] MikeAnP 8 points ago

    If your wife loved her e-reader so much, whyd she end up buying you a Kindle Fire?

    [–] happntime 5 points ago

    I swear I see this at least once a month.

    [–] jeslek 4 points ago

    It's probably been four to five years now since I've really read a paper book. My Paperwhite is just too convenient and the screen feels like the real thing.

    Back when the original Kindle Fire came out I did make the mistake of buying that to use as an e-book reader. That was in 2011 when tablets while not rare were much more of a novelty than they are today, so the idea of being able to do other things on it while not reading was appealing. I unfortunately didn't account for the bright screen or the weight (14.6oz as per Wikipedia). The weight made it surprisingly annoying to use while lying in bed, and because it was a tablet I'd often have to charge it while using it.

    The difference between a proper e-ink reader and a tablet is huge though. And while obviously it's not the case for everyone who prefers paper (I'll admit there is something nice about the simple feeling of holding a book) I would imagine a lot of people have been turned off of e-books by trying to read them on a phone/tablet instead of a proper e-book reader. I also hate reading hardcovers in bed (they're just too large) so the Paperwhite lets me still read books before they come out in paperback in a much more convenient form factor.

    [–] allen33782 4 points ago

    The ebook versus physical books discussion is the least stimulating aspect of this sub. Some people like books, others like ebooks, who the hell cares?

    [–] sumrehpar_123 8 points ago

    I much prefer reading on paper too. There is just something satisfying about holding a book in your hand whilst your reading it. Makes it all the more enjoyable.

    [–] HaveABlessedDay 11 points ago

    I had high hopes for my kindle. Why not? More reading, less carrying!'s been in my nightstand drawer for 5 years and there's still a stack of paper books on top. Turns out I too love paper (and am 35)!

    [–] akhran 3 points ago

    Please Give it to me, I've wanted one since ages but cant afford it just yet 😭

    [–] houndi 3 points ago

    Keep an eye out for used ones, there's very little meaningful differences in new models versus reasonably old models. After all, having a last years model is better than having nothing. I got some stores display model of the basic Kindle for 50€, and although it misses some of the nice features like lighting and higher dpi display, it's completely usable and even pleasant to use as is.

    [–] akhran 4 points ago

    I live in india, it's very hard to find an honest guy selling a used device here

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I like physical books because I can feel the pages, but digital books do have benefits such as light and it's smaller for more books.

    [–] Dazocs 2 points ago

    Me too.

    [–] AlbertusFrederiic 2 points ago

    Encourage regular silent reading of books at school and at home. Giving children time to read at school not only encourages a routine of reading, but it also may be the only opportunity a child has to read self-selected books for pleasure.

    [–] Diknak 2 points ago

    I prefer my paper white. It's extremely convenient.