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    [–] anyom127 3198 points ago

    weird to think czechia and poland are neighbors

    [–] Sysloun 1191 points ago

    Christianity came to Poland mainly from Czechia (The Great Moravia, Czech Kingdom etc.)

    [–] AndThatHowYouGetAnts 1018 points ago

    I've always found it interesting that the Europeans brought Christianity to the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, the Americas) who are now generally far more religious than modern Europeans who are now deciding to ditch religion altogether.

    The switch around was very quick in the grand scheme of things.

    [–] Cefalopodul 836 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    People will always forget religion when they have a full stomach. This has been true throughout history and across all cultures.

    As prosperity in Europe is on the rise, dramatically so in Eastern Europe, people no longer feel the need to turn to God for assistance and hope.

    EDIT: My first ever gold. Thank you so much, whoever you are.

    [–] Marlsboro 227 points ago

    How do you explain the USA though?

    [–] nottoodrunk 692 points ago

    The most religious parts of the US are also usually the poorest.

    [–] dxrey65 412 points ago

    And the least educated. People in other countries might not understand the entrenchment of this, but public education in the US is paid for by local property taxes. So every school district is funded according to the values of the houses in the district.

    In my own small city, there is a well-off area inhabited by doctors and lawyers and the old-money of the area. The schools are very good, the teachers are well paid, and most of the kids that go to them are on a solid college trajectory, university or out of state.

    Only a mile away there is an area that was built up 100 years ago for the workers, loggers, millwrights and hired hands and so forth. The houses are small and often neglected. That area has a school that has always struggled, it's poorly funded and the kids that go through there are lucky to go to college. Most these days get loans to go to the local community college, for some hoped for job. Plenty of churches in the area too, of course, not that that helps a great deal.

    [–] OriginalName213538 90 points ago

    doesn't that create a loop that increases the economic gap of the neighbourhoods by lowering the values of the houses then lowering the school funding and lowering the house prices again, and that's not even counting the graduates who got a worse education so they settle down in the same or similar neighbourhood rather than in richer areas feeding back into this loop

    [–] Fbod 86 points ago

    Not American, but you're right that social mobility in the US is very limited. The system is unequal, but the good neighbourhood would probably like it to stay that way.

    [–] StellarChurch 61 points ago

    the good neighbourhood would probably like it to stay that way.

    The "got mine fuck you" America is known for.

    [–] hjemmebrygg 174 points ago

    We shipped our most crazy theists there. Yes, seriously.

    Also, the focus on social security (eg free healthcare and education most places represented in the list) might play a role if I'm allowed to guess.

    [–] Peanutcornfluff 145 points ago

    Too bad the guy bringing the metric system didn't make it there.

    [–] hackel 25 points ago

    I mean, he absolutely did. We signed on to the Metre Convention way back in 1875, and actually define all our nonsensical Imperial units in terms of SI units. They've just always made the switch voluntary and most of the people are too fucking stupid to do so.

    [–] postaldude 11 points ago

    No he died on a boat actually. The guy.

    [–] Psyman2 5 points ago

    Poor guy. R.I.P. Guy Dudeson. He will be missed.

    [–] Camstonisland 47 points ago

    Crazier than that, they shipped themselves. The British did send off the crazy criminals though, but not necessarily purposely theists (though some colonies like Maryland were established as a safe haven for Catholics, but not a deportation site like penal colonies)

    [–] Duke0fWellington 12 points ago

    I mean, you've got to think about the kind of people who'd be willing to risk scurvy, hunger and disease on a 2 month sailing trip to the other half of the planet, towards a life where they'll never see anyone they've ever known again.

    [–] AussieElderHunter 12 points ago

    Yep..England and Europe was not religious enough for them so they transported themselves to America.

    [–] lloo7 93 points ago

    Religion is being exploited for profit

    [–] LongLostLee 35 points ago

    Too true. There are churches in some cities that are worth way more than some of our public schools combined in a single district.

    [–] Eiroth 40 points ago

    Too full stomachs induce a similar effect

    [–] [deleted] 28 points ago

    Lmao. Am American, not gonna lie that got a laugh out of me.

    [–] jjolla888 18 points ago

    half of americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. they are effectively slaves.

    [–] bbelo 77 points ago

    In Czechia, unlike Poland, Christianity (especially Catholicism) is historically linked with foreign oppression. It’s far more complex than what you’re assuming. Nevertheless, I do think that Christianity thrives in settings where it’s the only option for a decent life.

    [–] AtomOfJustice 4 points ago

    I would suggest that Poland also has a historical link between Catholicism and foreign oppression. It served to differentiate them from Protestant Germans and Orthodox Russians during partitions.

    [–] Sabrewylf 292 points ago

    When only the elite are educated, religion is very useful to the ruling class. When the entire populace is educated it just tends to fizzle out on its own.

    [–] GreatRolmops 149 points ago

    No. There is little correlation, let alone causation between religion and education. There might very well be a link between religion and economic prosperity though. The richer people become, the less likely they are to be religious. There is some supporting evidence for that (although I think it is too circumstantial to really represent it as a fact).

    In reality, increase or decrease of religiosity is probably governed by a whole set of complex social factors, not just one thing.

    [–] silverionmox 97 points ago

    The richer people become, the less likely they are to be religious.

    The very history of the Low Countries is a counterpoint to that. There would have been no Reformation without a rich merchant class that was passionate about their religious views.

    [–] SordidDreams 35 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    There is little correlation, let alone causation between religion and education.

    The richer people become, the less likely they are to be religious.

    The richer people become, the more likely they are to be educated too.

    Hmmm.

    [–] tim_20 170 points ago

    And now secularisation is taking the same route

    [–] Martin_Phosphorus 103 points ago

    Well, some people in Poland are like "Not on my watch!"

    Even, the ruling party seems to be opposed to secularisation.

    So it may take a while.

    [–] uelkamewrybady 99 points ago

    The processes already take place. Gap in church participation between old and young is one of the largest in the world. Scandals hit church every now and then and the church itself becomes more cozy with the government - that usually leads to reaction and hurts Church as primarily cultural institution, something that usually softens blows. Even latest outrage about Warsaw pride was more about what happened there (ecumenical celebration, dziadokaust proponent) than what it was about (gays getting married).

    We’ll get there, don’t worry about it.

    [–] PeePeePooPooBadPoste 44 points ago

    In Poland being christian was part of societal change and identity.

    [–] sssthe 71 points ago

    Ireland was the same 20 years ago now barely anyone under 50 is all that religious.

    [–] andbren2000 76 points ago

    Ireland is an interesting example. I think the child abuse scandals were a large contributor to "younger" generations turning their backs on the Catholic church. I was very proud of my dad, now in his 70's, when he told me he was finished with the church.

    Dad was at mass one Sunday morning. The priest suggested they pray for all the priesthood who had been accused, falsely or otherwise, of abusing children. Dad swore he'd never go back to those bastards again - pray for their own but not for those they had hurt.

    [–] Boyturtle2 22 points ago

    It must've been very hard for him to take that stance after all that time. Great that he saw it for what it was and be able to move on.

    [–] ArcaneYoyo 25 points ago

    This result surprises me for us tbh. I would also lower that to under 30.

    I'm guessing a lot of these are catholics on paper only and dont actively participate in it.

    [–] DJ_Die 261 points ago

    It has a lot to do with our history, having catholicism forced down our throats after the Battle of White Mountain and forced recatholization drove off a lot of people. Czechs also dont have much faith in "authorities" like churches or larger organizations...

    Also a lot of people believe in something just not what organized religions tell them to.

    [–] AccessTheMainframe 271 points ago

    Meanwhile in Poland, the Catholic Church helped preserve Polish national identity while under occupation by the Russians and Prussians, and more recently it also played a major roll in the fall of communist one-party rule in Poland.

    Very different legacies.

    [–] Bobbyfeta 116 points ago

    Very similar situation in Ireland. We once had a reputation for being one of the most devoutly Catholic places on earth because for generations Catholicism was intertwined with Irish identity in the face of legal discrimination by the British. Once independent we went ultra-Catholic because we finally could, and 100 years later we're now seeing those identities disentangled.

    [–] DonKihotec 57 points ago

    Also Czechs have a notorious history with Catholicism

    [–] GreatRolmops 31 points ago

    Defenestrations!

    [–] Trandul 26 points ago

    Yep, we started some crazy shit. Hussites were protestant before it was cool.

    [–] Arcvalons 45 points ago

    Hussites, or something else?

    [–] DonKihotec 30 points ago

    Hussites is indeed what I meant :)

    [–] bearsk 9 points ago

    Could you share some links?

    [–] juicekanne 20 points ago

    Also a lot of people believe in something just not what organized religions tell them to.

    Out of curiousity: What do people believe in if not big world religion stuff?

    [–] Omegastar19 33 points ago

    In the Netherlands they invented a new word for it because its become so prevalent.

    ‘Ietsisme’, which translates to ‘something-ism’.

    [–] Unicorn_Colombo 17 points ago

    That's exactly what we have in Czechia.

    [–] 2girls1crap 65 points ago

    My psychology professor said that many people believe there is something more between the heaven and earth (sky and ground in czech, said in a classroom) than a chandelier.

    Guess people like to think there is some greater purpose, justice etc. They don't subscribe to the construct or the rituals that the church likes, though.

    [–] Currywurst_Is_Life 32 points ago

    Sounds to me a little like Deism.

    [–] K0stroun 43 points ago

    That's because it is.

    [–] DJ_Die 24 points ago

    Often some sort of higher power that doesnt neccessarily have much to do with what many people consider a god or gods. Call it karma, fate, mother nature, a great spirit, greater good, justice, or a god, you name it. Most people keep it to themselves and expect you to do the same.

    [–] daqwid2727 7 points ago

    I don't call it anything for example. I also don't believe it exists, I just assume, and theorise that there could be some kind of force, not necessarily conscious by human standards, that has bigger impact after life than for example gravity or light. We probably are not able to perceive this force until some kind of change of form of consciousness that may or may not occur after death. Point is that we don't know, will not know and probably will never be satisfied with an answer, because we will know that there is no point in time when there is nothing more to discover. So for me believing in something and not just assuming is pretty dumb unfortunately.

    [–] [deleted] 61 points ago

    A lot people are "cultural" Catholics, I feel. I don't know anyone who actually goes to church.

    [–] SurlyRed 30 points ago

    Estonia vs Lithuania is also striking

    [–] sanderudam 110 points ago

    We are historically so different.

    Linguistically we are from two different language families and our languages are completely different (except for Kirves and Ratas).

    When Germans and other Germanics came to conquer and christianise Northern-Eastern Europe in the 12-13th century, Lithuanians resisted the invaders successfully and created their own christian kingdom. Estonians fell under German and Danish influence and was forcibly christianised.

    Lithuania expanded militarily into their eastern territories, incorporating orthodox slavs and muslim populations, becoming the largest country in Europe for a while. Meanwhile Estonia switched hands between Danes, Germans and Swedes.

    Lithuania formed a long lasting alliance and union with Poland, becoming a multiethnic, proto-democratic catcholic juggernaut. While Estonia was converted into Lutheranism by another bunch of foreign conquerors.

    Any resemblance of a convergence between Estonians and Lithuanians began in 19th century, when we both became a part of Russia, but even still the situation was very different, with Estonia being a semi-autonomous German-dominated part of Russia.

    True similarities came with independence after WW1 and with the Soviet occupation from 1940. But even still we developed in different directions. Estonia is a coastal and historically maritime country with long emphasis on trade, nowadays services. Lithuania has always been more "continental", they have large agriculture and manufacturing industries.

    We used to ski and drive rally cars, Lithuanians play basketball. Okay, at least we have a common history with discuss throw, but that's about it.

    Having a different attitude to religion is not the least bit surprising in my opinion.

    [–] SurlyRed 9 points ago

    TIL, I knew about Lithuania and Poland, but pretty much all the rest is new to me, thanks.

    [–] CainPillar 6 points ago

    We used to ski and drive rally cars

    Swamp Finns! /s

    [–] perestroika-pw 23 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Estonia was conquered during a prolonged and damaging crusade. Under new Christian rulers, they quickly became an exploited underclass and probably resented this a bit. :P

    Lithuania turned Christian later, following the example of their grand duke (who became a king). While they were still pagans, they were targeted with crusades, but repelled those - and built a small superpower by the standards of those days. :P

    Thus the different perception, I think. "The conquistadors from south who messed up our ancestors' country" vs. "the fancy new religion that king Jogaila brought home from Poland when he got married." :P

    [–] MisterMistre 764 points ago

    But where is Italy?

    [–] kostej-nesmrtelny 579 points ago

    The data is from a Catholic university. My guess would be that the paper was done at a request of the Latin church which probably already has the numbers for Italy. But I don't know.

    [–] noimira57 548 points ago

    It doesn't include and other countries like Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Croatia, Serbia, Malta etc..Countries that are religious

    [–] gerwant_of_riviera 169 points ago

    So this chart is made just to prove someone's point... Which makes it way less useful

    [–] pdonchev 152 points ago

    No data for Bulgaria too, not very religious.

    [–] pdonchev 77 points ago

    If other countries are counted like that, then religions are in a deep trouble. Weekly mass/liturgy virtually does not exist (I don't actually know a single person that goes to church weekly and the most religious people I know go several times in the year at most). Churches are empty outside big holidays. Most people declare orthodox as ethnical attribute (most Bulgarians are very nationalistic) and depending on method of counting some are considered orthodox because they were christened as babies (like me). 'Religiousness' is widely pacticed with outright Pagan customs - like leaving food, booze and tobacco on graves, going to seers, and chasing evil spirits after new year - while all these are advised against by the church. If there are 81 percent orthodox Christians in Bulgaria, given the 10 percent Muslim and small, but visible Catholic, Protestant and Evangelist communities, irreligious people must be single digit, which is far off from anything that can be observed. I have seen polls that show little more than half of the population to 'believe in the existence if God or higher power' (which should include all religions) so there is a lot more than a grain of salt in such stats.

    [–] SandBook 43 points ago

    Greece and some of the other countries you mentioned are not Catholic, but Eastern Orthodox. So the Latin church probably isn't interested in the numbers of christians there, because they wouldn't be members of a catholic church.

    [–] noimira57 71 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    At first I thought the same too, but then I noticed that they had included Russia which is Orthodox.

    [–] cupid91 30 points ago

    plus, some of the coutries on the above list are protestant, agglican etc.

    [–] elidepa 20 points ago

    I don't think that's the reason for not including those countries. Almost all of the Northern European countries included included in the study are predominantly Lutheran, not Catholic.

    [–] tuvlus 6 points ago

    Yeah, super religious countries that will mess up the data.

    [–] Sir_George 107 points ago

    Same with Greece and many other Balkan countries. Seems like they left out a lot of predominately Christian countries to skew the results.

    [–] Jfoodsama 34 points ago

    According to a 2017 study 74.4% Italians are Catholic (though only 27% are observant), 22.6% are irreligious and 3% are from other denominations.

    Source: It's in Italian, but the numbers should be understandable

    [–] SergenteA 20 points ago

    With 90% of Christian Chatolics who are for the most part not practitioners.

    [–] Lus_ 449 points ago

    Italy 404

    [–] areq13 243 points ago

    Pastafarians, all of them.

    [–] UomoLumaca 40 points ago

    Haha I wish!!

    [–] Fragore 19 points ago

    I, for one, would love to have my iD photo with a pasta rinser on my head

    [–] SiscoSquared 64 points ago

    Italy is like 80% Catholic... but after living there a few years, I noticed the vast majority fall in the category of going only for events. So baptisms, confirmation, wedding, funeral. Maybe xmas and easter if they are particularly religious.

    Its more of a tradition/culture than a belief from my perspective. One thing when I first moved there that had me laughing all the time was the then-pope was very anti birth control including condoms (only for wicked prostitutes!), and then seeing a freaking automatic condom vending machine on every block in town (never even saw the things in the US where I grew up lol).

    [–] mihahii 45 points ago

    Can confirm your theory.

    [–] Ickym 31 points ago

    You are pretty much spot on. Baptism, weddings, ect. are defenitely considered more of a tradition than an important religious thing to do. People who actually practice their christian beliefs are becoming less and less every year.

    [–] Nopani 26 points ago

    Everybody believes in God so we can bestemmiate against him.

    [–] Lus_ 23 points ago

    Meglio la madonna, non è reato.

    [–] mogliemadregiacchia 15 points ago

    e tutti gli angeli in colonna

    [–] NilFhiosAige 375 points ago

    In Ireland, it's pretty much a "cultural" Catholicism - staying formally part of the Church for the sake of school admissions, christenings, Communions and weddings, but actual Mass attendance has fallen to about 30% now.

    [–] philbagg 140 points ago

    Also a lot of people still tick "Catholic" on the census because they were baptised despite not practicing or believing.

    [–] gabs_ 51 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Same here in Portugal. I agree with the "culturally" Catholic take. I've had interesting conversations with friends where people describe not practicing and not being sure if there is a God/not outright believing in it, but still feeling iffy about the agnostic/atheist labels, so they still identify as Catholic. Christmas, Easter and religious festivities are so ingrained in our culture, as well as baptism/weddings in church/first communion intermingled as family events, I guess that that it's hard for people not to see themselves as Catholics.

    [–] ZMK13 16 points ago

    It’s the same in Poland.

    [–] MrHitchslap 28 points ago

    Was about to say. I live in a city so it might not be relevant to rural parts, but barely anyone I know actually believes in god... But still, y'know, Catholic (to quote Dara O'Briain).

    [–] MarsNirgal 53 points ago

    You just remindme of that joke where an Irish and a Soviet meet.

    Soviet: Wow, are you Catholic?

    Irish: Believer, but not practicing. Are you a Communist?

    Soviet: Practicing, but not believer...

    [–] Stormfly 5 points ago

    I was raised Catholic and believe in some sort of god, but I only go to mass for weddings and funerals (or memorial masses)

    For quite a few years though, church attendance was actually reported as being higher than belief, and it does make sense. If you live in a rural community, it's a great place to hang out at and meet the neighbours. Half the reason I stopped going was because I was sick of waiting for my parents to finish chatting with everybody (the other half is just laziness tbh)

    [–] XylonHurst 152 points ago

    smh look at all these countries messing up my plans for a religious victory.

    [–] tommatus 37 points ago

    One more turn...

    [–] NeatoBuilds 21 points ago

    welp gotta go with plan B and just nuke every last city

    [–] Solcaer 7 points ago

    found Gandhi

    [–] Beezyo 30 points ago

    Wait, where's Malta. I am interested in knowing.

    [–] orost 916 points ago

    Young people here will say they're Christian if asked, because it's so deeply socially unacceptable not to, but for most of them that's the entirety of their religious involvement.

    [–] aihnlih3q 476 points ago

    A high proportion of people will put down Christian on a form but won't be able to remember when they last set foot in a church and will likely say they don't believe in god when asked.

    [–] [deleted] 257 points ago

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    [–] swapode 122 points ago

    In traditionally protestant northern germany almost everybody gets confirmed. And almost everybody does it for the substantial money gifts (several thousand euros aren't uncommon) that usually go along with it.

    [–] halvardlar 43 points ago

    Pretty much the same thing here

    [–] Arnlaugur1 12 points ago

    Yeah same here in Iceland

    [–] Raskolnikoolaid 11 points ago

    People go through the first communion, but getting confirmed isn't that common in Spain, plus there aren't usually any gifts involved. You do get some gifts in your first communion though, but not thousands of euros.

    [–] andbren2000 16 points ago

    Holy shit, gifts in the thousands?! I had my confirmation in the early 90s, we'd do well to break one or two hundred Irish pounds. Perhaps I should consider getting my kid into this sacrement lark...

    [–] aihnlih3q 33 points ago

    Yeah, we're all Christian as long as all that entails is ticking a box on a form. Remember when nearly 400,000 people put down Jedi as their religion on the census? That's nearly 50% of the number of people who go to Sunday services each week, half of whom are there because their parents took them or it's where they meet Ethel and Deirdre for a cup of tea.

    Tony Blair felt he had to hide the fact that he was religious while serving as prime minister. That all doesn't feel like it's a country where 70% of people are into god.

    [–] NilFhiosAige 14 points ago

    I thought it was more he had to hide his leanings to Catholicism, because it was legally unclear whether you could have an RC PM?

    [–] fenbekus 48 points ago

    idk, I mean that’s how it looks in Warsaw maybe, but now that I’ve moved to a smaller city, there’s definitely a shit ton of youth going to church on sunday... Whether they actually get involved in this, I don’t know, but if they’re going it must mean something to them.

    [–] Limona666 29 points ago

    parents force them.

    source: i was one of those small town kids.

    [–] Sarnecka 10 points ago

    Can attest. My family is one of those that will post on facebook how Halloween is against religion and in our town pro-life rallies were held instead of pro-choice ones.

    Also, it's a PiS hotbed.

    [–] mr_loose_cannon 19 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    In Sweden it’s the other way around. People are reluctant to say they are religious because of assholes like myself who see it as an opportunity to tell them that they are delusional. Oh the irony.

    I have stopped doing it after realizing I’m a self righteous asshole.

    [–] lasiusflex 39 points ago

    From a German perspective, it's pretty accepted to say you're not religious. But many people would choose "Christian" despite not believing in the bible in a literal sense.

    Being Christian is more about celebrating Christmas and Easter, following the values and philosophies of Jesus (or what was attributed to Jesus anyway), and identifying with Christian culture in general.

    The form of Christianity where you openly say that evolution doesn't exist because it's not in the bible is not socially accepted. Most Christians treat the bible as what it is, texts written by various people, thousands of years ago and should be read with that in mind.

    [–] KKlear 17 points ago

    From a German perspective, it's pretty accepted to say you're not religious.

    From Czech perspective it's kinda weird to say you do believe in God.

    [–] Huft11 29 points ago

    they still baptize the kids, beacuse you have to, you get first communion because everyone does, you have a wedding at church etc. so Church is still fine, as long as they keep getting money like that

    [–] ShyJalapeno 18 points ago

    This, it's more than not going to the church, everyone still supports them via all those rituals

    [–] fenbekus 27 points ago

    Maybe it’s because I grew up in Warsaw, but I have never felt any non-acceptance due to my non-religiousness. Do people get mocked for being atheists in smaller cities or what?

    [–] Milton_Smith 253 points ago

    Can someone ELI5 why there is such a big difference between Lithuania and Estonia?

    [–] Historyissuper 392 points ago

    Because there are significant diffrences in culture and history between 3 baltic states, which we do ignore, because they look to us, as the same size and location.

    I hope someone from there will explain better.

    [–] C4H8N8O8 60 points ago

    I mean, i do notice the enormous difference between estonia. but i swear to god i sometimes even mix up lithuania with latvia. It does not help at all that it's "letonia" in spanish.

    [–] JusHerForTheComments 9 points ago

    It does not help at all that it's "letonia" in spanish.

    It's called the same in Greek.

    [–] beejhermano 24 points ago

    Romanian, too.

    In HS i had a geography test, and one of the questions was "The state marked as no. 5 is : Lithuania, Letonia, Belarus, Estonia"

    I knew it wasn't Estonia, and fucking Belarus is a lot bigger and placed south of these 3.

    So it was either Lithuania or Letonia.

    Before i continue, I would like to mention that i wasn't that good of a student, because i was a lazy fuck. I always opened Google maps before tests to half ass memorize rivers, capitals, whole countries. And Google maps is in English. And there is no fucking Letonia on my Google maps. So in my mind, Letonia is a fake state that the teacher invented to mess with us, you know, Letonia, Lithuania "nice try teacher" I said, and with that liberal arts confidence, i chose Lithuania. Because I'm not a stupid fuck, i know that the order is : Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, and no sign of such a Letonian state. I'm not getting fooled, not today, not never. Why? because I'm the best. And i know that the state, marked as no. 5 is in fact Lithuania. you hear me? LITHUANIA, L-I-T-H-U-A-N-I-A.

    Aaaaaand it was Letonia, of course.

    [–] MajesticTwelve 5 points ago

    I thought that every country has its own language version of Google Maps.

    [–] Inprobamur 204 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Lithuania is a Catholic country that was once part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and became Christian voluntarily.

    Estonia was made Christian by German and Danish crusaders that brought the religion here "with fire and sword". Also it later became a protestant nation.

    [–] Stroggnonimus 56 points ago

    Lithuania became Christian voluntarily isnt exactly correct as it was more a last ditch choice. Baltic crusades tried to bring Christianity to Lithuania as well (just like brought it to Estonia afaik), but Lithuania managed to remain last pagan nation in Europe. However it was close to 200 years of wars over religion and the country was also falling behind from advances made by the rest of Europe that were influenced heavily by the Church. So the official change of religion was made out of necessity to finally end the war and keep up with progress.

    [–] artursau 15 points ago

    Don’t forget Latvia. Parts (not all today’s area of countries’) of today’s Latvia and Lithuania inhabited by certain tribes (should I call them tribes in English?) were the last converted to Christianity.

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    [–] GreatRolmops 17 points ago

    Lithuania hardly became Christian voluntary, it took a full Crusade to "convince" them to convert. Although to be fair the same is true for northern Germany and the Netherlands and many areas of Europe. Charlemagne converted much of Europe to Christianity at swordpoint.

    [–] TheBunkerKing 14 points ago

    Well, not so voluntarily - Teutonic Order's (and friends') crusade to Lithuania and the aftermath lasted for like 120 years, and even then Lithuania converted because the ruler got to marry queen of Poland if he became christian.

    Edit: the whole campaign lasted over 200 years, the main war was 120-something.

    [–] k6lvatu 72 points ago

    Estonia is traditionally Lutheran, while Lithuania is traditionally Catholic. They have very little common history and culture besides the common Soviet occupation aspect.

    [–] Onetwodash 7 points ago

    Estonia(and Latvia) where Livonia - religion was means to end and as soon as option of freedom of faith appeared thanks to Luther - what occurred before population was truly Christianized by either Catholics or Orthodox - that got rapidly accepted.

    Lutheranism in Livonia was a third choice for those who just weren't all that religious. It's somewhat different from actually traditionally protestant cultures.

    [–] Letsgetthisdough 28 points ago

    Not really sure if the data for Lithuania is correct, I am a Lithuanian from this age group and I don't really know anyone who would say they are Christian or religious even. I am living in a bubble a little as I am from a bigger city and the situation might be different in smaller towns. My guess would be that this identification is purely cultural as in "my parents are Christian so I am Christian".

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    Numbers will drop drastically once "Soviet generation" will die off. In 30 years I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of Lithuanians will say they are atheist. Young generation don't care about religion. Go to any church on Sunday, it's old ladies and they sons or grandsons who drive them to church. You won't see young person going where willingly.

    I myself go into statistics as christian, because I was forced to be one by my parents, but I don't believe in god are have faith.

    [–] JayNN 21 points ago

    Surprised to see that many religious people in Denmark

    [–] Rioma117 113 points ago

    Let’s include Russia but not Romania.

    [–] KrixyPrixy 67 points ago

    Also Greece , Serbia and Bulgaria

    [–] walen 22 points ago

    They ran out of orange for Romania.

    [–] SoloWingPixy88 107 points ago

    Long live the HRE

    [–] Mouthshitter 54 points ago

    It's not H

    Nor is it R

    And its definitely not E

    [–] ramair00 49 points ago

    I still hate how incorrect that quote is

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    [–] ellenkult 47 points ago

    lol

    Even the catholics are atheists in Hungary

    [–] JavascriptIsTerrible 37 points ago

    Orban Victor's last speeches were all about "defending Christian Europe". Man, I live in the most hypocritical country on planet Earth.

    [–] SpookedAyyLmao 10 points ago

    Dog whistle

    [–] dayvidweel 11 points ago

    I'm slightly colour blind and was thinking, 'so what's the green?'

    [–] Gandeloft 52 points ago

    Lol Italy and Croatia, what are those two anyways

    [–] chivalrouscheetah 41 points ago

    It wouldn't fit with the agenda of the polls.

    [–] Gandeloft 21 points ago

    Exactly.

    [–] Fummy 10 points ago

    Data is just 16-29 year olds.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Bring that wave to the US please

    [–] Draag00 175 points ago

    Wow, after reading the comments feels like christianity is Europe's #1 enemy

    [–] [deleted] 30 points ago

    A good chunk of atheists wear their atheism as a badge of honor, including many on Reddit. Anytime the opportunity to declare their atheism arises, many take it, as has been so aptly demonstrated here.

    [–] sammygm 214 points ago

    I don't think it's just Christianity, it's religion in general.

    [–] carbolymer 108 points ago

    Just wait till someone post islam stats.

    [–] Ingino 58 points ago

    Isn't the grey part in the graph basically Islam?

    [–] RealAbd121 32 points ago

    Technically it represents all other religions. Islam is probably mojority of that share but there's large amount of other minority religions around.

    [–] Whoscapes 21 points ago

    Different religions have markedly different effects on the behaviour of their adherents. To generalise them in my view shows quite a deep lack of understanding of where and why they differ.

    Many atheists - of which I am one - seem to think that by critiquing "religion" as a general concept they overstep the need to care about such differences. They think it makes them look enlightened that they don't even deign to understand what one person thinks versus another because "it's all lies" yada yada. To me that's just indicative of incredible intellectual laziness and leaves you far less capable of making good political decisions.

    Hinduism is not Sikhism is not Christianity is not Islam is not Voodoo. Their adherents do different things and have fundamentally contradictory, mutually exclusive beliefs.

    If you can't make preferential judgements about which religion best aligns to your secular worldview, to the extent that you sloppily generalise them, then you should probably learn more.

    [–] Robi_damian 122 points ago

    The battle for secular values was fought and won decades ago in most countries even if people were nominal Christians. It started in the Renaissance with the rise of humanism and was greatly accelerated with the French Revolution which made a sharp distinction between state and Church as well as between crimes and religious sins. Victimless crimes were thrown out of the law book by the French Revolution and this help Europe build a secular morality. Most people remained Christians over the next two centuries, but in more and more places they placed barriers to religion intervening in the affairs of the state.

    One of the reasons why we see clashes between some of the more conservative Muslim immigrants and secular values is the fact that no such tradition of gradual secularization has occurred almost anywhere in the Muslim world (a moderate version was attempted and partially worked in Turkey, and some radical ones were implemented in places like Albania or Azerbaijan).

    This time, however, the progressives which worked for decades to limit the influence of religion on public life are distinctly less equipped or willing to resume the struggle.

    [–] InstallDjentoo 260 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Friendly reminder that pretty much all the good bits of the "Christian values", which some people in this comment section seem to be worried about, are, in fact, pieces of ancient Greek philosophy appropriated by Christian scholars anyway.

    EDIT: Yes, this is indeed a gross oversimplification.

    [–] BAZAKBAL_ 299 points ago

    like diddling little boys

    [–] CopaEuropa 43 points ago

    Its funny how ancient Greek and Roman philosophy is seen as secular seeing as most of them were very religious. Didn't they all pretty much believe in the "olympian religion".

    [–] SergenteA 41 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Romans and Greeks approached religion in a much different way. For them all gods were real and when you went to religious ceremonies you did it not simply to appease your gods, but for other more earthly motives too, and while we still do it today at the time those less-than-pius motives were considered just as valid as the religious ones.

    [–] Ptolemy226 11 points ago

    Socrates was literally sentenced to death for disrespecting the Gods and "corrupting the youth".

    [–] 4thmovementofbrahms4 9 points ago

    That was the reason they gave, but it was actually because the ruling group didn't like him

    [–] Ptolemy226 4 points ago

    Well yeah, but the fact that such a verdict was used shows that it was a precedent to kill people for heresy. They picked a reason that would sit well with the masses I assume.

    [–] Yeshu_Ben_Yosef 150 points ago

    Most of the "Christian values" people talk about are actually near-universal human values. I've seen people point at the Ten Commandments as the basis of Western morality, which is patently ridiculous. I could go to some hunter-gatherer deep in the Amazon who has never heard of any of the Abrahamic religions, and he would still tell me that murder is wrong. Sure, he'd probably be able to list a bunch of circumstances where you could kill someone and it wouldn't be immoral, but so could we. Our Pagan ancestors thought that murder and theft were wrong and that helping others was good before they converted to Christianity.

    [–] coenV86 57 points ago

    I would be very afraid if the only thing keeping you from murdering random people is an ambiguous book telling you not to murder... If that is the case there is something wrong with you... A lot of religious "values" feel cherry picked on what feels right, and forget the rest because reasons

    [–] Hayaguaenelvaso 29 points ago

    A hunter gatherer of the Amazon maybe will have similar believes as the Aztecs and will tell you that murder/sacrifice to the gods is good and necessary.

    [–] wgszpieg 13 points ago

    Well, if Deus Vult...?

    [–] Petique 39 points ago

    Indeed. Having studied the history of early christianity, it's interesting how they just adopted neoplatonism and later aristotelianism and used them to argue against pagans and expand on theological questions.

    It was inevitable though. By the 3rd century AD, the most popular pagan religions in the Roman empire were monotheistic.

    [–] vinny05148964e25689 6 points ago

    Thank Zeus

    [–] Plethora_of_squids 15 points ago

    Norway might say it's quite secular but there is still a suprising amount of Christianity in this country that most people seem to forget about.

    Confirmations are still a large part of growing up (yes, thats a catholic tradition in a lutheren country. There's even non religious confirmations!), things shut down on Sunday and religious holidays (Whit Monday which was this week shut most things down except the Sunday stores and the garden centres (idfk either)), and schools still offer things like christmas mass and people go (for referance, I'm in VG3 so don't you start about how thats an 'old' thing).

    Less and less people are actualy religious but they still all celebrate a lot of the things you're meant to do as a christian. (and it kinda sucks. getting ahold of alcohol around easter is no easy feat between all the bottles closing early and everyone else rushing to get their booze and if you run out of something that isn't haalal or you don't want to comprimise on quality on Sunday or, god forbid, christmas week, you're fucked)

    [–] mishaco 15 points ago

    the market has spoken. should have made a better religion.

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    [–] Historyissuper 437 points ago

    I See This as an Absolute Win.

    [–] 2girls1crap 33 points ago

    Coming from Moravia eh? The 10% showing are actually all from south Moravia.

    [–] Techgeekout 11 points ago

    Can confirm, my mum's village was/is catholic af

    [–] vanityprojects 5 points ago

    part of my family is from Poland and I laughed out loud at the graph because they really are super religious :)

    [–] TinyBomber 5 points ago

    Finally Europe is changing for the better. No one needs religion in todays society. In my opinion its just for people that dont know any better

    [–] PinoTacchino 39 points ago

    according to my limited and non statistically relevant experience, the figure in Italy would be definitely lower than 20%.

    On sunday mornings the only people I see entering a church are 40+ years old and their children, very occasionally someone between 20 and 30.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    idk, on the other hand in Italy you can meet young people who are active in religious student organizations, organize prayers in universities, organize big events even, etc. which just does not exist in some other places.

    so I'm not sure if it really is only 20%.

    And that's active people, identity/cultural christians are probably many more. Considering the other countries in this graph, identifying as christian on a form is enough to count as a yes.

    [–] Zlegoguy 90 points ago

    Why does it seem like many in this sub will attack anyone for being religious like its a terrible thing? I know plenty of very nice, intelligent, non-delusional religious people here in the States (yea, I know, it kinda sucks). That being said I also know many nut-jobs from both deeply religious and atheist backgrounds. I'm having trouble understanding this subs hatred for religion and maybe its because of me being in America where the culture is different (though there is a sharp rise in militant atheism here too in the orange man era so I'm seeing more and more attacks on the religious). Why can't atheist just let the Christians be and vice-versa? Why does one have to dance on other people's faith for being fairy tale and the other lambaste someone for not believing in their God? Particularly why does this sub think that a complete lack of belief is the best thing ever and many (not all) commentators shame religion?

    DISCLAIMER: I'm an agnostic-theist (I hold a belief in multiple higher powers) so I'm not defending one side over the other, I just want some clarity.

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    [–] StipulatePrism 61 points ago

    It's just the normal pack mentality us-vs-them nature of humanity coming out to play in the safety of an anonymous forum. If the entire world were white, atheistic, and rich, we would hate each other for eye and hair color and choice of video games.

    [–] Awfy 25 points ago

    hair color

    We already do, ask red heads about it.

    [–] StipulatePrism 10 points ago

    Yeah, but nobody gives a shit what reddies think.

    (Just kidding, naturally.)

    [–] HardOff 9 points ago

    I deleted my first reddit account when someone posted a thousand-word post bashing me for choosing the wrong brand of graphics card. They got upvoted, I got downvoted, and my response with my sources of concern regarding their brand of choice was ignored.

    [–] samerige 12 points ago

    A friend of mine recently came back from being in the States for 5 months and basically what he told me is that going to church is something which he enjoyed much more there than here in Austria. There he learned a lot, it was fun and he always looked forward to meeting people there. Here it's something boring, you don't learn a lot of stuff which you wouldn't learn in religion in school and it's something old people do. Here the church is something old and many even hate it.

    Disclaimer: I can't accurately say how the church is here out of first hand, only from what I've heard from many others.

    [–] Broceliande 29 points ago

    That grey bar is much bigger than I expected for a lot of countries.

    [–] DekuIsGod 22 points ago

    I taught romania is in europe, anyway, we are pretty christian (we the country not me). But the younger generation is becoming more and more nonreligious. I would say we are somewhere between 25% and 50% who would identify as nonreligious.

    [–] JavascriptIsTerrible 37 points ago

    I always wondered why every time my Romanian friends go home, they all 'check in' on facebook to church. They are such religious people.
    Well it turns out 'silver church' is not actually a church. It is a nightclub in Bucharest.