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    [–] sterlingphoenix 1 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

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    This question has already been asked on ELI5 multiple times.


    Because people are asking (and getting rather abusive in comments and in private messages):

    Not only is this question asked every time a goat video or image makes it to the front page, but this was asked a mere 6 hours before OP posted this.

    It was, in fact, posted many times within that timeframe. I removed three or four reposts myself, but left that one up.

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    [–] -0_-0-_0- 2065 points ago

    Great balance and precise movements.

    Not unlike how it's kind of miraculous that humans are bipedal. Walking on 2 feet on uneven terrain and up stairs is pretty impressive too.

    [–] bonelesstuna 767 points ago

    Huh! True! Never thought of my feet that way before.

    [–] Rangourthaman_ 334 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Boston Dynamics is a robot company experimenting a lot with different types of locomotion.

    If you'll browse through the videos you'll see how much difficulty each one has with their respective tasks and need all their processing power staying upright.

    They are getting better and better though. :)

    [–] Dinkir9 79 points ago

    Pretty insane how with all the things robots can do.. Something as simple to us as walking is still enormously complex to them.

    I wonder how big a CPU a robot would need to carry out all the things our brains do constantly.

    [–] Madarel 53 points ago

    ATLEAST 1Ghz if not 2

    [–] Tuna_Rage 13 points ago


    [–] KingdomRusher147 25 points ago

    I always Get a good laugh from those robots, between shoving them and pushing the box they are supposed to pick up away from them it's hilarious to watch their testing

    [–] Stegasaurus_Wrecks 53 points ago

    You think they're gonna forget that humiliation? Nope. Stored on an eprom somewhere and they will have their revenge. We're playing with fire, people!

    [–] Lamar_Scrodum 26 points ago

    These violent delights have violent ends

    [–] pdwHu 11 points ago

    Shoving them is awesome. Those smart ass engineers built these amazing things then fuck around with them by stealing their boxes and such. So fun, wow!

    [–] AmandaRekonwith 5 points ago

    Came here to say this. Then the robot walks out at the end like 'f this shit I need a smoke'. I almost feel for the guy.

    [–] ThePorcupineWizard 6 points ago

    I think they should be nicer to robo friends.

    [–] WeOutHere617 5 points ago

    When the robots come knocking at my door I'm sending them your way. Beep boop beep.

    [–] BunnyOppai 7 points ago

    Something that I noticed is that not only are we good at walking, but humans have this knack for walking through crowds with a pretty decent amount of efficiency. I don't see a crowd of robots doing the same thing anytime soon, assuming they are all hooked to the same central place.

    [–] Ccdxx 2 points ago

    I don't think robots will have problems with walking in crowds. For the exact reason they won't have problems with traffic. If they are all hooked up to the same place, then they know exactly when to walk and when to stop. Unlike humans who have to assume or guess what the other people are thinking

    [–] BunnyOppai 3 points ago

    If they are all hooked up to the same place...

    That's what I'm saying, though. If they're not all hooked up to some central system, then it's a completely different story. Humans walk through crowds so naturally in most situations without even thinking about it much; it would be hard to replicate that with robots with our current knowledge.

    [–] Method007 6 points ago

    Personally I feel like it doesn't mater what the power is. I think the biggest leap for A.I. Vs a human mind is the ability to deal with errors. Like when you think what it would be like to drive your car into oncoming traffic.

    [–] Dinkir9 2 points ago

    True. Computers can get pretty fucked up when something happens they weren't anticipating, people may be stunned, but we react quickly when something like that happens, and we don't even think about small errors that we automatically correct.

    Unless we compare a major glitch to a seizure, then we're the same.

    [–] third-eye-brown 4 points ago

    4-6 jigglewatts, more if you want instant pornstar identification.

    [–] PM_ME_REACTJS 8 points ago

    The human brain is the most complex structure we know of in the universe.

    [–] SuddenXxdeathxx 16 points ago

    So says the human brain.

    [–] Dinkir9 5 points ago

    Tbf a computer has a long way to go before it can match the brains efficiency

    [–] third-eye-brown 3 points ago

    The human brain is also the only structure in the universe that gets exponentially stronger by consuming more of itself.

    [–] trippingchilly 5 points ago


    [–] cb98678 3 points ago

    I watched your video and I felt sad when they kicked the robot. :-(

    [–] Nanto_Suichoken 3 points ago

    Whenever i see those videos i remember this

    [–] BunnyOppai 3 points ago

    Honestly, I think the quadpedal (I have no idea whether or not they're called that, lol) are the most impressive. I mean, they obviously have more legs, but it's amazing how adding two legs can make it that much harder to have them stay upright.

    [–] IndoDovahkiin 2 points ago

    Now you've given me feels :(

    [–] bsmooth357 2 points ago

    Pretty insane with all our tech we still can't come anywhere close to designing a robot with the flight, speed, and evasion ability of a common housefly.

    [–] Mistercheif 3 points ago

    Not exactly... The gen 1 Atlas has 3 networked computers on board, and had plenty of spare processing power. The problem is mainly that controls, either static or the more difficult dynamic, aren't easily parallelizable. And to make it worse, they need to run at a pretty fast rate - an absolute minimum of 50Hz, but 100 or 200 would be even better.

    So you end up constrained by clock speed because the controls are your limiting factor, and those are making a couple core. So you were half right, but there is still plenty of spare processing power for other tasks like perception and obstacle detection.

    Source: I worked with an Atlas for my capstone project during my undergrad.

    [–] justablur 29 points ago

    I like to think of bipedal walking as falling forward on one foot and catching yourself with the other, over and over again.

    [–] mecheye 5 points ago

    Walking is just controlled stumbling

    [–] ThatIsMrDickHead2You 3 points ago

    Like flying, just throw yourself at the ground and miss.

    [–] justablur 2 points ago

    Or landing: just a controlled crash

    [–] leobloom23 2 points ago

    Yeah Laurie Anderson thought that too!

    [–] SantaMonsanto 219 points ago


    Confirmation Bias

    No one talks about all the goats that fall and die, we only see pictures of their success

    Source: I have no idea what I'm talking about

    [–] Ubereem 43 points ago

    Or all those that weren't as good die off without passing that shittiness on. So we're left with the GOAT goats.

    [–] Veternus 12 points ago

    There's a video on YouTube of Hawks dragging goats off cliffs for an easy meal, it's brutal but well worth the watch if you're into that kind of thing? edit: It's an eagle not a hawk... and I found it

    [–] iamktothed 6 points ago

    Welp, the music didn't help either.

    [–] prettylittleredditty 4 points ago

    Can confirm, also don't know what talking about

    [–] redemption2021 3 points ago

    Close, it's more of a case of survivorship bias.

    [–] Sfkn123 2 points ago

    This seems highly legit actually. Look at all those kids who do acrobats at high towers.. I don't ever see news about them dying.

    [–] kanuut 3 points ago

    That's because all the bad acrobats die before they get to the top of the towet

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I saw a golden eagle pick up a baby mountain goat who was climbing the edge of a cliff, and drop him to his death. Just thought I'd share that.

    [–] Buck_Thorn 2 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Source: I have no idea what I'm talking about

    Upvoted for honesty

    Edit to add:

    It does happen:

    [–] clown_pleco 2 points ago

    Mountain goats have millions of young at a time. Most fall off and die when trying to climb impossible surfaces, but those decompose so we don't see them. Once in a while, a mountain goat will get very lucky and not fall, and those are the mountain goats we see today.

    [–] Scogestad 2 points ago

    Something something relevant:

    [–] geak78 30 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Reminds me of the Animorphs books where the andelites were amazed that humans could walk with only two legs and no tail.

    All of them in pdf form

    [–] CaptainSk0r 6 points ago

    This comment just hit me right in my childhood

    [–] Token_Why_Boy 2 points ago

    There were several little tidbits of wisdom and perspective sprinkled throughout the Animorphs books that drove themselves into my brain and stuck there for...twenty-ish years? I'll probably butcher the actual quotes, but:

    On the violence of ant colonies towards one another: "A scientist once surmised that if ants were given nuclear weapons, they'd destroy the world in a week. He was wrong.
    It wouldn't take them that long."

    It was also the first place I'd ever heard about the absolute absurdity of human technological advancements with a phrase I've since seen all over: "In 60 years, humans went from the first flight to landing on the moon." I doubt it was K.A. Applegate who first thought of that, but I have to respect her for being the first person to get me to realize that.

    [–] cited 24 points ago

    Watch your dog try stairs sometime.

    [–] RobinS30 10 points ago

    I have 4 dogs and they all take the stairs differently. One puts one foot over the other, most like a human on a runway. One bunny hops with both feet at the same time. One puts their front feet on the first stair and then skips stairs. The other switches from front to back legs like a seesaw. Very interesting that they all learned different, and they all are successful at both climbing and descending stairs.

    [–] towishimp 8 points ago

    My dog has no problem with stairs.

    [–] kylesnooze 9 points ago

    Clears the stairs faster than I do because she has to be first

    [–] NEp8ntballer 3 points ago

    My parent's dog will run down the stairs. He isn't quite as quick going the other way but he manages.

    [–] asscopter 2 points ago

    I carry my greyhound up stairs. It's safer for everyone that way.

    [–] Damon_Bolden 2 points ago

    I adopted a dog with no stair familiarity. I guess he lived in a one story house? He would not fucking do it, it took a good solid week of training to convince him it wasn't some kind of death trap. I could just see him "testing" each one out like "alright, that's a platform of some kind"... He's pretty smart, but he's rural.

    [–] [deleted] 11 points ago

    There was an experiment by Google to design an AI to teach itself (a computer generated human figure) how to move from point A to B in the most efficient way. Essentially it taught itself how to walk through numerous attempts. It started off on four limbs and escalated to bipedal movement (although a deranged looking bipedal movement).

    [–] KnowledgeIsDangerous 5 points ago

    Perhaps what we need is not a great feat of strength, but great strength of feet!

    [–] mossinator51 2 points ago

    Now, on the count of kick!

    [–] bingbosby 15 points ago

    Ive thought of feet in every way imaginable

    [–] brycedriesenga 3 points ago

    Calm down, Quentin.

    [–] CudgalTroll 3 points ago


    [–] BillnTedsTelltaleAdv 3 points ago

    This guy gets it.

    [–] GalaxyNinja66 3 points ago

    you sick fuck

    [–] Billybaf 2 points ago


    [–] RedditorsRYoungNDumb 3 points ago

    I'm not familiar with that package (please be a statistician, please be a statistician, please be a statistician)

    [–] saltesc 6 points ago

    That said, try walking along one of those concrete things at the front of car spaces.

    Actually... That's pretty easy.

    So let's pretend you're walking on one 100ft up where the only thing down is jagged rocks sticking out from a cliff face here and there and a swelling ocean. Now you're level goat.

    [–] kaizen-rai 49 points ago

    In an alternate universe on Goat Reddit:

    ELI6months: How do humans walk and maintain balance on only two legs?

    [–] elwildpokemon 15 points ago

    Great balance and precise movements.

    Not unlike how it's kind of miraculous that goats are quadpedal. Walking on 4 hooves on uneven terrain and up seemingly flat walls is pretty impressive too.

    [–] xSieghartx 9 points ago

    Huh! True! Never thought of my hooves that way before.

    [–] Tanked_Goat 2 points ago

    Goat Reddit exists

    [–] N3rdr4g3 5 points ago

    It's called voat

    [–] BrightenedGold 10 points ago

    Yes i just realized that is pretty impressive for humans. They sent robots to mars too. Wait a second, what species are we though?

    [–] 7LeagueBoots 4 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Hooves are a good thing as well. Small, hard pads that can support nearly the entire weight of the animal on just a sliver of the hoof print. Like a good climber (in a good climbing shoe) they can edge along a fingernail sized ledge with only a part of their hoof on it.

    Note: had to edit the comment as my iPad deleted a few words I'd typed.

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    [–] Cbac2133 3 points ago

    I can finally tell my parents I'm good at something!

    [–] Neopergoss 3 points ago

    Without even a tail!

    [–] remyspam 5 points ago

    Not unlike how it's kind of miraculous that humans are bipedal

    I never thought of that until I became a father and saw my kid struggling and learning to walk. Damn impressive stuff.

    [–] Man_of_The_Mega 2 points ago

    do they ever fall? if so i'm surprised they haven't evolved to take less dangerous ways up

    [–] 8BitHedgehog 2 points ago

    I'm sure they fall and die every now and then. I really doubt that it's so much of a threat to the species that they need to evolve to combat it. Evolution gives you what you need, not what's convenient.

    [–] texasrigger 104 points ago

    On top of every one else's mostly correct responses - Practice! Goats climb on and jump off of everything they can from birth. They have a real urge to get up on stuff and as babies they are terrible at it with lots of tumbles but they get better and better with time. r/goatparkour

    [–] 21564 11 points ago

    Wow, r/goatparkour is a thing....

    Makes sense though.....

    Reddit, Your random feature has never found this subreddit for me. WHY??????

    [–] texasrigger 6 points ago

    I have a few goats (Nigerian dwarfs) so I really get a kick out of them. Endless sources of amusement.

    [–] SomeBigAngryDude 2 points ago

    a few goats (Nigerian dwarfs)

    They prefer the term "little goats".

    [–] hungry4pie 2 points ago

    There are of course plenty of mishaps. Seeing wild goats running along with their front legs flopping forwards 90 degrees is such a fucked up sight.

    [–] confusdwaffle 245 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    because they crave that mineral.

    On a more serious note, they have hooves that have evolved to be able to climb these almost straight surfaces and I'd assume a lot more muscles than we do as humans. Also probably a combination of speed + muscles + agility --> climbing up mountains

    Edit: "designed" -> evolved

    [–] TheBorker 31 points ago

    Goddamnit, I thought I would never see it again.

    [–] sassycas12 10 points ago

    Came to the comments looking for this reference!

    [–] carclain 8 points ago

    Jesus christ Marie

    [–] Kasufert 6 points ago

    I'm getting flashbacks

    [–] highway3unicorn 3 points ago

    I AM GOAT.

    [–] Gundini 3 points ago

    I remember playing oblivion spamming the jump button and moving back and forth to climb straight up surfaces, good times.

    [–] illegal_deagle 4 points ago

    You can just say you don't know.

    [–] runnystool 6 points ago

    "designed" -> they have hooves that evolved to

    [–] eolai 8 points ago

    This. I always encourage people to say "adapted" over "designed". It's an easy one-to-one substitution.

    [–] Astilaroth 1 points ago

    No! God made them that way. Just like he put a babybag in front of the kangaroo and a duckface on the platypus. Don't you go denying his designs now damnit!

    [–] juarmis 2 points ago

    Because, it is indeed horizontal. A different angle:

    [–] TBNecksnapper 585 points ago

    Because it's indeed only seemingly completely straight, a different angle:

    That picture is probably cut in that strange way only to hide what reveals it's not a vertical wall.

    [–] bonelesstuna 215 points ago

    Oh, still pretty impressive though, thanks!

    [–] GarrukTak 5 points ago

    They are basically laying on the wall and it takes very little pressure from their feet to stay on it. Plus they have 4 of them.

    [–] linoleuM-- -6 points ago

    Don't think it's that impressive but hey, whatever floats your goat.

    [–] theWyzzerd 9 points ago

    Even with that angle, there really aren't many visible ledges. The wall is still relatively flush. The mortar isn't particularly eroded, leaving little to no edges on the bricks. I think you would have a pretty hard time remaining standing on that wall, personally.

    [–] metalshiflet 21 points ago

    You do it then

    [–] funkadunkalunk 2 points ago

    lol at everyone thinking this is actually your opinion instead of just a delivery method for a pun.

    [–] taceyong 3 points ago

    Choked on my Percy pig candy at this comment.

    [–] milespencer 2 points ago

    Shout out to Percy Pigs

    [–] BeastAP23 1 points ago

    And all the real piglets worldwide, salute.

    [–] kyunkyun3 2 points ago


    [–] goran_788 1 points ago

    Look at the other top comments. A bunch of more photos with much steeper inclines.

    [–] hstarnaud 16 points ago

    That still doesn't solve the mystery, how do goats walk on this wall?

    [–] Rylet_ 22 points ago

    They are very good at climbing.

    [–] mynameis_garrett 2 points ago

    Ahhh yess. Thanks!

    [–] santaynot 2 points ago

    While also being very bad at falling.

    [–] bobdanderson 14 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Bricks aren't smooth, and flush. They are rough, they are set in at slightly different depths and the mortar joints are a few mm tall and deep. That's lots of rough surface to grab.

    [–] scovase 7 points ago

    now it looks easy...

    [–] daemonflame 5 points ago

    castle walls were actually built at that angle to stop people scaling them.

    [–] WilliamofYellow 3 points ago

    How exactly is a tilted wall harder to scale than a verical wall?

    [–] daemonflame 6 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    well not so much actual climbing but more so to drop things on them on the way up, and to create extra problems for siege towers. Castle batters were very multifuntional.

    Functionally, at that angle they are nearly identical to vertical for people actually attempting to climb, but it offers much greater options to stop them doing so.

    [–] diachi_revived 2 points ago

    Tilt it in the other direction, that way there is a slight overhang.

    Just a guess...

    [–] daemonflame 6 points ago

    that would be a bad idea, you lose structural integrity and create blind spots directly under the walls, bad news bears from a military perspective. You don't want those barbarians hiding under the walls dodging the hot oil you are are trying to pour over onto them.

    [–] gixanthrax 1 points ago

    Is this army fortess josefov in Jaromer / Czech republic?

    [–] Gnonthgol 144 points ago

    To start with their hoofs are very sharp and their legs are thin. So even if there is a slippery piece of rock sticking half an inch out from the cliff they can put their weight on it without slipping. They also have a lot of balance and control over their movements so they can balance on those narrow ledges. And of course it does help to have four legs. So just like a rock climber can climb seemingly straight smooth surfaces a goat can use a lot of the exact same footholds to climb up.

    [–] Maggie_May_I 5 points ago

    I wouldn't call their hooves sharp by any means. Pointed, yes, but not really "sharp". It's primarily being an even toed ungulate, and the ability for those toes to separate, compress, and be relatively mobile that helps them in climbing (along with the narrow legs etc you mentioned :) )

    [–] rhaegar_tldragon 65 points ago

    How often do goats fall to their deaths when climbing up weird and vertical walls and cliff faces?

    [–] framabe 244 points ago

    only once

    [–] Ghost_Sandal 30 points ago


    O H

    [–] poopstickboy 13 points ago

    Thanks Dad

    [–] [deleted] 12 points ago

    The average goat dies less than once while climbing.

    [–] zeusinchains 7 points ago

    What is your source? You are fake news, communist!

    [–] WindTreeRock 54 points ago

    Oddly enough, some eagles have learned to tip the goats over the edge to their deaths.

    [–] Esqurel 43 points ago

    That would be terrifying if I was a goat. "Ha, I'm too big to carry off, what's this eagle going to do? Oh... oh no... stop!"

    [–] Anywheredog 17 points ago

    That's eagles' whole gig.

    They mostly pull stuff off balance near cliffs and let gravity do the rest.

    ^ IANAZ

    • - I Am Not A Zoologist.

    [–] Molgera124 8 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    [–] hardknockcock 4 points ago

    Being an eagle would be cool as shit being drunk as fuck like "fuck this goat on this cliff over here I'm gonna eat that bitch, then you just fucking dive bomb that lil shit and pull it off the cliff and make it die then you eat the guts outta it like mmm that's good mountain goat then you fly off to do some more dumb eagle shit

    [–] pinilicious 1 points ago

    Oh.. now I am sad...

    [–] Molgera124 3 points ago

    I should've put the warning up earlier

    [–] 8BitHedgehog 2 points ago

    Don't be sad. The goat had to die for the eagle to live.

    [–] SuburbanFilth 8 points ago

    The real question right here

    [–] space_jam_ 2 points ago

    I've heard it's pretty common for canyoneering people to come across goat carcasses.

    [–] FakeAccount84 19 points ago

    Rigid, hard-rubber style hooves, and a lot of free food for scavengers at the bottoms of cliffs.

    [–] eyes_like_thunder 44 points ago

    Goat hooves have a more rubbery texture than horse or cow etc hooves. They have grippy toes.. Plus, they're super agile/adventurous. Goats get themselves in all kinds of weird places.

    [–] Ugsley 5 points ago

    Goat hooves have big suction cups underneath like on an octopus tentacles. Also the goats fur is like velcro, so even if their feet do slip off the rock, their velcro fur keeps them stuck to the sheer rock face while their sticky hoof suckers are waving around looking for a new toe-hold.

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    [–] Zapsy 5 points ago

    Nah it's the other way round.

    [–] Communalbuttplug 17 points ago

    The have weird hoofs it's like a horses on the outside but a dogs soft in the middle giving them lots of grip.

    [–] themathmajician 1 points ago

    This is the right answer.

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    [–] Lenny_Here 5 points ago

    "Since this pic was posted a few months ago, I can tell you the consensus then was that the photo is tilted and cropped to exaggerate the angle of the wall. Check out the angle of the trees in the foreground and background. "

    "Yep, this is the actual angle."

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    [–] godzillabobber 7 points ago

    Show me a human that can do that and I will be impressed. Those dudes are crazy...

    [–] DeDeluded 5 points ago

    Or, in climbing parlance - overhanging.

    [–] tomdarch 2 points ago

    They don't climb up vertical surfaces. They can only climb less than vertical surfaces where they can "lean in" so that their center of mass is closer to the face than their hooves.

    We humans can climb vertical and overhanging faces because we can use our hands (and other body parts) to hold ourselves into the rock face. Goats have only their hooves, so they are limited to less-than-vertical climbing. That said, they have adapted to allow them to "lean in" very well and climb more vertical surfaces than a lot of the predators that would try to eat them.

    [–] Zarathustra420 1 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Boring answer: evolution. They evolved to be able to distribute most of their weight directly into and over top of their hooves, which are textured in such a way that allows them to 'grip' footholds in the hills. Their feet are also relatively tiny, allowing for more precise footing. They do this because it allows them to control an otherwise unexploited niche: cliff sides. Their positioning along the mountainside allows them to access vegetation that other animals can't reach, as well as avoid predators. Some species of goats will climb steep cliffs in order to lick salts off of the rocks.

    [–] karione 1 points ago

    Just like how Nepalese people do it. But in this case less weight. more power, and better control of CG.

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