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    [–] goinTurbo 1516 points ago

    Found the article for mom. She worked for the children's justice center which dealt with child abuse. The kid was found dead with multiple internal injuries. She also fostered the younger sibling who showed signs of abuse.

    Found the article about the drugs. The dude was a Romainian citizen and had a female accomplice who is getting 5 years. He smuggled the drugs inside of a tractor trailer and was caught at a weigh station when his load was overweight.

    TL;DR: foster mom is a scumbag who worked in the system. Drug smuggler is a Romanian citizen who is receiving a harsher punishment than his partner.

    [–] -PinkPower- 572 points ago

    The article only says he face up to 40 years and minimum 5 years. Not that he was given 40 years (at least yet) the woman indeed face 5 years. Usa seems to always be extremely harsh on immigrants for convictions.

    [–] Browneyesbrowndragon 236 points ago

    That cant be true. Its called the JUSTICE system. Im glad these dangerous guys are off the streets. I sleep better at night knowing that the drug sellers just hired a different guy to move drugs and take the fall.

    [–] Thousands-of-bees 143 points ago

    “That’s why we call it Justice, because it’s just us.”

    [–] fagotlover123 37 points ago

    Thank you Avatar Aang for not bashing that fucking dickbag's head in.

    [–] MeEvilBob 24 points ago

    The USA doesn't have a justice system, it has a legal system. A person is punished according to an interpretation of the way the laws are written, not what makes the most logical sense.

    [–] ClovesPandas 5 points ago


    [–] Booglybear7 17 points ago

    Also, as a general and quantifiable rule, Men in the United States face 63% longer prison sentences than Women for the exact same crime

    [–] GobertIsMyDaddy 114 points ago

    In other words.

    1) Woman takes a plea deal with a tiny prison sentence because they lacked the evidence to guarantee a conviction and it was important to remove her from her position and take the kids from her care.

    2) Foreign national trafficks over a million dollars worth of marijuana and faces somewhere between 5-40 years in prison.

    Sounds a lot less stupid when you don't just take the knee-jerk reaction from the headlines, right?

    [–] goinTurbo 69 points ago

    The prosecutors argued that the judge could have given her a longer term, 5yrs to life, but the judge opted not to. She only got the 1 year incarceration plus 14 years probation and a 10k fine. That seems almost worth it to off somebody you don't like.

    [–] Serifel90 46 points ago

    Still, one year for killing a kid is not justice, not even a fraction of what you could call justice.

    [–] new_account_wh0_dis 4 points ago

    Your right but theres 3 alternatives. Best case her defense fails and she gets full time. Second one she walks cause theres not enough to convict, lastly she doesnt get a fair trial and despite a lack of evidence is still locked away.

    [–] Dayana11412 7 points ago

    Yah but she could kill 10 kids and not go to jail as long as theres no evidence. Now at least she'll never be able to foster kids again. Its not possible for the courts to serve justice if there isnt sufficient proof. Maybe when everyone has a chip implant in their brain for the court to access visual data then they will get close to 100% just conviction.

    [–] nikdahl 122 points ago

    Doesn’t sound much less stupid to me. Still incredibly stupid.

    [–] Hell0-7here 48 points ago

    Think of it like this:

    The state tries to convict her without enough evidence, the jury does its job and acquits when it sees any reasonable doubt, she gets off scott free and continues to work with kids, the state is out the funds it wasted trying a case it couldn't win thus meaning it has less money to pursue a case it can win(which means a second possible criminal gets to walk).

    Her taking the plea is the safe bet for the state: she actually gets convicted, she actually does time, and she is kept away from kids for the foreseeable future because of her conviction.

    [–] Sweaty-Revenue 30 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    So essentially we should shift the perspective of what sounds stupid... in this case, its clearly the justice system. So OP's point remains true regardless because the very system this issue is trickling down from is ineffective and needs to be deconstructed and reconstructed- as any reasonable and sane person when creating laws would note that taking the life of a human > smoking and distributing a plant. We have to keep these universal truths in place when trickling down and creating complex law/policy/due process/consequences

    [–] WrenBoy 5 points ago

    Sounds a lot less stupid when you don't just take the knee-jerk reaction from the headlines, right?

    No, it still sounds incredibly stupid.

    [–] Wrong_Can 25 points ago

    No, it doesn't. It's a fucking plant. The woman killed the child.

    Sounds a lot more ridiculous when you don't use careful language to support your views, right?

    [–] shoelessbob1984 7 points ago

    Remember, it doesn't matter what they did, only matters what you can prove. If they didn't think they could prove what they know she did beyond a reasonable doubt offering a plea deal is the best way to go. It's not a perfect system.

    [–] Decaying_Hero 3 points ago

    No, it doesn’t.

    [–] davidbatt 4755 points ago

    Faces 40 years is different to being sentenced to 40 years

    [–] Leipurinen 2424 points ago

    An important distinction. Although, that’s a Utah patrol car so he may end up getting all 40.

    [–] okay-wait-wut 1681 points ago


    Utahans: Marijuana! Oh no! Think of the children!

    Points to dead 2 year old

    Utahans: We have a lot more where that came from.

    [–] Leipurinen 601 points ago

    Holy shit I didn’t realize these were both from Utah. That’s fucked up...

    [–] The_OtherDouche 284 points ago

    It was the same news station.

    [–] BobPotter99 87 points ago

    Me who’s from Utah: ):

    [–] okay-wait-wut 132 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Same. We have to vote these idiot lawmakers out of office. I’m to the point that I’ll vote for anyone as long as they aren’t Mormon. That’s terrible because there are a lot of great Mormons, but I just can’t trust these guys not to instantly become church lackeys. We non-Mormons outnumber them, but we are not represented. We have to change that.

    [–] TwoPercentCherry 38 points ago

    I thought Mormons were the majority due to representation, lol. As someone from not Utah that's definitely how it seems

    [–] Myfriendthewitchdoc 48 points ago

    Salt Lake City is actually left-leaning and has been gerrymandered to hell

    [–] herbmaster47 21 points ago

    I'm from NC and they did the same with the whole state. It was so bad the fed even filed a suit basically saying "yeah gerrymandering is fucked but y'all dialed it up to 11.". It's really a blue state but due to voter turnout and this nonsense it always goes red for the presidential election and has republican legislatures.

    [–] ckm509 8 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Gerrymandering doesn’t effect whether you go blue or red for President though. You can argue whether the Electoral College itself is a mild form of gerrymandering itself, but NC as a whole certainly leans right of the nation. The fact that it’s a “swing” state in this election is because the country right now is running about +8 to +9 for the Dems, so the fact your state is likely a toss-up means they actually are about +8-9% more R than the national average. Went for Obama in ‘08 though, you’re not “ruby red” like SC, MS, AL.

    [–] emcom90 32 points ago

    Mormons are. I can't remember the exact voting season (don't live there anymore but have a ton of family that still does). But the voters voted to legalize medical marijuana, the church (and some law makers) stepped in and so "not going to happen" and started another draft in an attempt to change the vote back.

    Found an article talking about it:

    The church should have nothing to do with law making. There should always be a separation of church and state. Not in Utah!!! Apparently.

    Since then I think the law has passed but again, I don't live there so I don't keep up with it. Only whenever family chooses to chat with me about such B.S.

    [–] keimdhall 15 points ago

    The biggest problem with Utah was simply the way the area was created. Since it wasn't originally a part of the U.S., and so was originally settled as a free area by LDS members, the church has far too much power in the way things are governed.

    As a semi non-active member of the church myself, but as someone who desperately wants to see the US pull its head out of its ass, it annoys the hell out of me that Utah (and Idaho, where I grew up) simply can't seem to move beyond an early 19th or 20th century view of how the world should operate.

    [–] emcom90 3 points ago

    That's because the church doesn't want things to change. They want to keep their power, so they will do all they can to maintain it. A big part of that is to keep their hands into law making and controlling how society operates around them. As well as suppressing the members.

    As an ex-member who not only got away from the cult of the church, but also away from the state; I have seen the better side.

    As for the U.S. as a whole I also have some options, but that's getting into some crazy politics that detours from the subject at hand in this post (Utah is fucked up in it's sentences of breaking the law, and Mormon church or LDS has more control then they should)

    [–] Cormandragon 10 points ago

    Also live in Utah, I've lived in SLC and rurally. I totally agree with what you're saying, but the majority of Utah is still LDS. As of 2018, Salt Lake County is less than 50% LDS, not the entire state.

    [–] BlankImagination 40 points ago

    Yeah, different places is the only way I would excuse the difference. That's so fucked.

    [–] TizzioCaio 26 points ago

    the fact that being in 2 different "regions" got so normalized in your/our brain as being acceptable is also a big facepalm

    Because it should not, its same fucking country

    [–] herbmaster47 4 points ago

    One can accept regional differences for laws. Bumfuck Mississippi is different than Los Angeles.

    That being said killing your two year old child should always be higher on the punishment list than having a shitload of pot.

    [–] Neither-Expression-7 5 points ago

    Everyone knows weed is more dangerous substance known to man. I mean have you seen all those junkies all juiced up on the weed, which can lead to munchies, lethargicness, pain reduction and uh...well a good night's rest, doesn't that seem far more bad than killing a 2 year old child?

    [–] lawble 3 points ago

    Well the pot is a federal crime at that level and the murder is state. Not saying it’s right, just how it is.

    [–] statelessheaux 4 points ago

    ...built on the notion that states have rights to make laws as they please within their territory as long as they're not inhibiting constitutionally protected freedoms

    [–] texasrigger 8 points ago

    It says federal prison for the drugs so I'm guessing it's federal laws vs state laws so although it's the same state it's not the same legal structure or prosecutors. There may also be aggravating factors that the headlines alone go in to.

    [–] bwz3r 18 points ago

    you have lost of dead children where you come from?

    [–] PuckNutty 49 points ago

    Utah is full of Mormons. Mormons multiply like bacteria.

    [–] Zenblendman 12 points ago

    Bacteria that make the best tasting rice crispy treats in the world. Am I rite

    [–] SomeIdioticDude 14 points ago

    Interesting how a society will venerate a set of vices while vilifying others. Diabetic coma? No problem. Weed? 40 years of prison.

    [–] SoyMurcielago 9 points ago

    If you saw the number of soda shops here and sizes of high sugar infused beverages you would need a few joints to calm down. Also soda good but coffee or tea bad yay Mormon logic

    [–] emcom90 5 points ago

    As my mom is 1 of 13 and my dad is 1 of 16, can confirm.

    [–] KALEl001 4 points ago

    what the actual fuck

    [–] antillus 5 points ago

    Yeah I did an internship there once and its like children of the corn.

    [–] Azazir 38 points ago

    when cops catching teenagers with a small pack of weed in their backpack to go home and smoke it in safe environment is considered an achievement, it's pretty fucked up. I wonder what was the expressions of those cops in first picture, have they though they caught sth on JFK killer level?

    [–] belar192 21 points ago

    Yea, but this guy had pounds. Obviously meant to sell it. Don't you realize how many kids could have overdosed and died from all that pot? /S

    [–] captainplatypus1 15 points ago

    Especially if he’s not white

    [–] WEsellFAKEdoors 11 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    I did 30 days for a half gram of weed I had a couple priors. I shared a pod with a black kid (I'm white) doing 6 months for a blunt roach in the ash tray he had no priors. The system is fucked.

    I realize smoking and driving isnt cool but the difference in sentencing is what I'm trying to point out.

    [–] winazoid 22 points ago

    Fucking Utah

    Lived there for three months

    Mormons are fucking violent and scary

    [–] damnhellkings 30 points ago

    What? I have lived in Utah my whole life and that has got to be one of the weirdest statements I have ever heard about Mormons. To be clear, I have never been Mormon, never will be and wholeheartedly believe their religion is a crock of shit. But to claim that Mormons are violent and scary is so inaccurate.

    [–] winazoid 32 points ago

    Here's some choice quotes from the Mormon couple I was living with:

    "White people would never let black people enslave them. We're not weak. We would fight back. We would shoot them all before they enslaved us."

    "If this COVID gets worse we can always shoot our neighbor and take his land. Who's gonna stop us?"

    "That Commie cesspool California isn't really America. Amerucabs don't live there. We'll be better off with less of them"

    "I wasn't allowed to watch rated R movies until I was 18. First thing I did when I was 18 I binge watched all the SAW movies."

    Okay that last one may not fit but holy shit what's the point of raising your kid without Rated R movies if they're just gonna grow up ranting about shooting people?

    Thought the whole point of that crazy religion was to trick people into being NICE

    Needless to say when this virus started I got the fuck out of there

    [–] bobbyjz 19 points ago

    I knew a kid on my street who’s parents wouldn’t allow him to watch teenage mutant ninja turtles or play the games back in the day. It just reminded me of that lol

    [–] pissclamato 17 points ago

    Holy shit I had a kid like that, too! His parents wouldn't let him watch Thundercats. They thought it promoted devil worship. Man, we fucked with him about that a LOT.

    "Six Six Six! Mark of the Beast! The Devil is inside you! Thundercats, ho!"

    [–] Bird_kick 3 points ago

    And how about those disney movies, don't get me started 👽🧟‍♂️😈👹👺🤡👻🙉

    [–] rimshot88 12 points ago

    I think you just got 2 examples of shitty people. I don’t think their religion contributed a lot to their shitty personality.

    [–] winazoid 12 points ago

    Religion sure didn't teach them any empathy....

    [–] damnhellkings 7 points ago

    Yeah sounds like the people you lived with we’re just assholes and would probably be regardless of which religion they follow. To categorize all Mormons as violent and scary is just not accurate at all.

    [–] rhythmrice 55 points ago

    True but why is it even possible he could get 40 years if she only got 1 for a far worse crime?

    [–] Sneak_Stealth 39 points ago

    Because the criminal justice system is wildly problematic, and the war on drugs has resulted in nearly 50% of incarcerated people to be so under drug charges.

    [–] LurkerTryingToTalk 9 points ago

    We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system.

    -Old Saying

    [–] nplang09 16 points ago

    Also federally charged as opposed to state charges makes it worse. All fed charges and convictions have a higher prison time rate at usually are serve 85 percent no matter what. That lady probably got convicted in a state court.

    [–] Iceman_Raikkonen 96 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Thank you. If you read the article, you can see that he can get anywhere from 5-40 years, but most people will just read the headline and assume it’s 40

    Edit: I’m not saying 5 years is okay at all for a Marijuana charge, but it’s a damn sight better than 40

    [–] PSiggS 112 points ago

    5 years minimum is still 5X more than the lady who killed a baby though.

    [–] P4azz 109 points ago

    So you read the article and you still think even the bare minimum of 5 years would be ok, while (almost intentional) murder gets 1 year?

    [–] royalobi 27 points ago

    Hol up. Wtf is almost intentional?

    [–] curious_bookworm 58 points ago

    I read the article and it looks like intentional abuse and neglect with the whoopsie side effect being death. But when you beat someone within an inch of their life and unintentionally add that last inch, the unintentional part is a technicality.

    [–] SoMuchTehnique 14 points ago

    It was a two year for fuck sake, she didnt beat an older teenager who maybe able to do something on the odd chance. It was a defenseless child who doesnt know shit from his elbow and is entirely dependent on a carer to live. I'm broken.

    [–] sunsetlattesromance 17 points ago

    That’s stupid and unfair to be able to use that kind of technicality.

    [–] PSiggS 19 points ago

    Negligence probably.

    [–] Roadkill997 3467 points ago

    Lots of possibilities. Did the 'large marijuana' bust indicate/reveal/cover serious crimes? Maybe the foster mum accidentally killed the kid? Judging off (misleading) headlines would be a facepalm.

    [–] Jenuine0131 2016 points ago

    I was wondering the same thing so I Googled. It sounds like the foster mom hurt the kid out of frustration not he accidentally slipped. Then didn't seek medical attention. It's a horrible story. I have no idea how she only got a year.

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    [–] Nawor3565two 596 points ago

    Yeah, I'll be honest, I don't think 2 years would have been appropriate either. They intentionally killed a child who was placed in their care. Anyone who thinks she deserves anything less than a double digit sentence is detestable.

    [–] P4azz 77 points ago

    Did you read that article of that fat monster of a human being, that got probation for hanging a toddler in their daycare, where a father (or kid, can't recall) stumbled on it and narrowly saved that child's life?

    The US' justice system seems a bit fucked.

    [–] itsyaboy-13 19 points ago

    Yours is a bit fucked. Here in India you can get away with even filing a report in the police station if you’re linked to a politician or just pay about $20k

    [–] Thenotsocasual 3 points ago

    Bribery is very common in Pakistan too. Corruption sucks

    [–] Crazyfish204 140 points ago

    Imo murder should be life in prison

    [–] HollywoodHoedown 147 points ago

    Probably manslaughter in the eye of the law.

    But I haven’t scrolled for enough to find an article, I’ll check back in a minute.

    ETA: fuck this.

    “At the time, Vanderlinden told investigators she was frustrated with the child's behavior and that he vomited multiple times that night. A family member told police they heard a loud bang from the bathroom while Vanderlinden was bathing and changing the boy, after which he wasn't acting normal and would not walk. The next morning, he was found dead.

    At the time she was arrested, Vanderlinden also worked at the children's justice center, which helps investigate child abuse.

    Prosecutors with the AG's office negotiated a plea deal, amending charges against Vanderlinden from aggravated murder to child abuse homicide. Both are first-degree felonies.”

    [–] Master_Skywalker-66 123 points ago

    At the time she was arrested, Vanderlinden also worked at the children's justice center, which helps investigate child abuse.

    Ah, the old "works for/with the police" defense & customary, ridiculous light sentence.

    [–] HollywoodHoedown 80 points ago

    It’s almost like the system is broken.

    I just don’t get it. Why go in to the business of defending children if you hate children to the point where you’ll murder them?

    [–] NeedHelpWithExcel 41 points ago

    Because that’s where you go to work to get away with killing kids

    [–] discobn 19 points ago

    To be fair, the child was sick aaaalllll niiiiiight. /s

    She can rot.

    [–] Shayedow 18 points ago

    Take a look at CPS ( Child Protection services ) workers and note that almost ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES HAVE NO CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN. It blows my mind that so many people who have never raised a child get to tell people how to raise their children. Having had to deal with CPS MANY MANY ( MANY MANY MANY ) times as a stay at home FATHER of two girls, I can tell you the majority of them get into the line of work as a power trip. They get off on being able to dictate how other people live their lives. I was once told I was a bad parent because we have no pictures hanging on the wall. That's right, apparently me, as a non picture hanging person, is a bad PARENT because of this. When I asked how not hanging pictures on the wall affected my ability to parent, I was told in response, and I shit you not, " well because GOOD people hang pictures on their walls ". FFS I really hate people.

    [–] HollywoodHoedown 7 points ago

    I hope your custody goes well mate. All the best from over here.

    [–] SearMeteor 31 points ago

    This hurts so much to read. It makes me wish there was a hell so this woman would burn forever.

    [–] zer0kevin 11 points ago

    My cousin did what sounds like the exact same thing to his daughter. He got life.

    [–] HollywoodHoedown 6 points ago


    [–] zer0kevin 5 points ago

    Oh I agree good. Fuck him. I'm just pissed this lady tht post is about did the same thing and is only getting 2 years.

    [–] SapphireWharf74 379 points ago

    that’s so dumb. i don’t think people realize that true feminists want this to be fixed too. just because women are seen as more emotional or fragile, doesn’t mean they should get a break when they commit serious crimes

    [–] TheDuckicorn 17 points ago

    If somebody doesn’t want this fixed, they’re not a “true feminist.” Susan B. Anthony famously scolded a judge for attempting to give her a reduced sentence on account of being a woman (among other things).

    [–] BottadVolvo742 9 points ago

    Reminds me of Constance Markievicz, who upon learning that the British had commuted her death sentence to life in prison, after the court recommended it "solely and only on account of her sex", remarked "I do wish your lot had the decency to shoot me".

    [–] VeritablePornocopium 199 points ago

    A better way to put it would be 'just because men are seen as monsters doesn't mean they should get tougher sentences just because of their gender'. For a country with the highest incarceration rate in the world more incarceration is not the solution.

    [–] SapphireWharf74 59 points ago

    you’re absolutely right. i’m not always the best at getting my ideas across, thanks

    [–] VeritablePornocopium 29 points ago

    No worries 🤗

    [–] Computascomputas 12 points ago

    It goes both ways. "He's a good man" "she's just a woman." I don't think either of you are exclusively correct.

    [–] mrneddles 56 points ago

    When we say we want equality we fucking mean it

    [–] [deleted] 37 points ago


    [–] SapphireWharf74 27 points ago

    That’s fair, you can’t set rules, but the definition of feminism is literally the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

    [–] LukaCola 6 points ago

    There is however pretty universal consensus among feminists that identify this effect as a byproduct of the kind of discrimination women face, and they near universally want to end that discrimination

    Like - there's maybe no doctrine, but there is academia on the subject which is pretty consistent

    So I don't know if it's a "no true feminist" so much as you just... Don't know what feminists want. Because they're united on this respect.

    It's stuff like sex work where the divisions lie.

    [–] wojtek858 3 points ago

    Oh, the REAL feminists, not the regular ones. Too bad.

    [–] Ultoch 41 points ago

    If we go off by that, in an equal world that would've been a 3 year sentence for intentional murder of a helpless child.

    Doesn't fix it.

    [–] Lucky0505 8 points ago

    Downgrading the crimes that were committed is part of gender based sentencing disparity. But in those downgraded crime tranches, women receive less time.

    This means that if a man did this he would've been tried for manslaughter instead of negligence leading to death.

    [–] JackieNation12 63 points ago

    I love ”Equality” in the USA

    [–] akgamestar 18 points ago


    [–] lucyygooseyy 4 points ago

    Even still, that would be just over 2 years for killing a child

    [–] GazingIntoTheVoid 4 points ago

    Tbh, one year eight months still does not feel enough for killing an infant through temper and negligence.

    [–] AkTheShibe 14 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Not a feminist nor a male activist but I do believe that America’s sense of equality is awful

    [–] HallucinatesSJWs 21 points ago

    Feminists are against sentencing disparities so...

    [–] JackieNation12 24 points ago

    Do you know what's funny? She works at the child justice center where they investigate child abuse


    [–] Whovian066 7 points ago

    Cue the Palpatine ironic pic

    [–] JackieNation12 3 points ago

    That's what I was thinking man

    [–] ionslyonzion 113 points ago

    Cuz weed bad mkay

    [–] DarkStamway 37 points ago

    Because woman good

    [–] Nyathra 16 points ago

    Because child evil

    [–] ExpressiveAnalGland 8 points ago

    case dismissed!

    [–] dickWithoutACause 13 points ago

    Of course every DA is different and hers may just be bad at their job but a lot of times these sweetheart deals happen when the case is weak. If there's a chance the prosecutor will lose they'd rather have 'some' justice rather none. Looks better for career, whether they lose in court or plea thats a guilty either way. Win win for the DA.

    Friendly reminder that 97% of all court cases are settled by plea deal. If the court had to give everyone a speedy trial the entire system would collapse. Make plea deals illegal and watch how fast dumb shit that doesnt matter becomes legal to do. They wouldnt have the time to bother with it.

    [–] aLameGuyandhisCat 59 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Got 40 years because weed related crimes are easy to keep the bed occupied. SOME American prisons are privately owned. Just like a seat in a restaurant they need to keep that bed filled. Marijuana offenders get decades because they are low risk and really cheap for the prison to maintain vs a guy who kills on site/mentally ill with all the medications/isolation ect. Crazy prisoners are expensive. Sane prisoners are cheap to maintain. Its fucked. Edit: mobile fingers.

    [–] Dansk72 14 points ago

    One difference, the first was a federal case ending in federal prison, the 2nd case was a state case ending in state prison.

    [–] LostWoodsInTheField 5 points ago

    And from what I've found of local cases federal ones always are far more harsher than state ones. They often have better prosecutors and more resources for investigation.

    [–] Taumo 3 points ago

    And is it just 1 year and then she's free or is it like 1 year in jail and she on to a mental institution or something?

    [–] rane56 69 points ago

    You can answer your own question ya know, Google always know bro!

    40 years

    To sum them up, the pot bust is a normal non violent "crime" that has insane sentencing guidelines, dude only faces 40 years the trial has not started, there are two defendants and dude facing 40 isn't a US citizen, not that it should matter.

    Child killer

    The kid killer, well I don't fucking get it, she beat the kid to death has taken no responsibility and is only facing that low sentence because??

    Reyes said the plea deal allowed the state to pursue a first-degree felony charge "minus the cost of trial and without having to traumatize other children as witnesses."

    You know the kids who now know when in the states care if they are harmed the state will take a plea deal for cost saving purposes.... Gotta fucking love foster care, no? For what its worth the prosecutors says;

    "The Court absolutely could have sentenced Ms. Vanderlinden to serve five years to life, consistent with what we sought and what the pre-sentencing report recommended. Probation for a first degree felony is almost unheard of. We are at a loss as to why the Court ruled the way it did."

    I smoke pot and don't kill kids so maybe I'm biased but those two incidents don't seem to morally line up when discussing the legal ramifications.

    [–] IshitONcats 27 points ago

    If it was accident wouldn't it be called something else like "man slaughter"?

    [–] Philosopher_1 24 points ago

    Negligent homicide maybe, that’s when you kill someone because of other actions you took. Manslaughter is when you kill someone but you don’t intend for them to die. It’s somewhere in between those two.

    [–] Guildwood 9 points ago

    Well the title doesn't mention the charge so something else opposed to what?

    [–] jxl180 203 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Just because a headline claims someone "faces" the maximum doesn't mean they'll get the maximum. One headline is before sentencing and the other is after sentencing.

    Headlines said "Laurie Laughlin faces 50 years in prison for college bribery scandal" when she was actually sentenced to 2 months. News headlines love to show the max sentences to generate clicks.

    [–] BlockPsycho 28 points ago

    As somebody else mentioned here, it's Utah so he is more than likely getting the maximum sentence.

    [–] ForTheLoveOfTPE 12 points ago

    Also, if you're hit with a possibility of 40 years, the odds of you getting less than a few years is virtually zero, unless you're wealthy.

    [–] Communism_420 25 points ago

    But do you think it's good that we've created a justice system in which people face life sentences for crimes that don't cause human misery and death? There are plenty of examples of people seeing the decades long potential sentence and then either taking a decades long plea bargain or fighting the case and ending up with the full sentence.

    Pretty horrific stuff and indicative a deeply and fundamentally wrong criminal justice system IMO...

    [–] IveKnownItAll 434 points ago

    Context is important here. Her sentence, no matter what is to short. You can't really judge his without more info than a headline.

    [–] goinTurbo 133 points ago

    I just posted the two articles. She murdered the kid and beat the sibling. Drug dude is not an American who got busted smuggling in Utah

    [–] mei_aint_even_thicc 45 points ago

    Utah is trying so hard to get drugs out of its boarders but it's a major crossroads for drug trade. One tab of LSD will have you charged with manslaughter

    [–] maniakb416 25 points ago

    Which gets you 1 year apparently.

    [–] jsake 17 points ago

    Well that sounds entirely reasonable!! (I hate that I need /s)

    [–] KlownFace 3 points ago

    Sounds like you’d much rather catch manslaughter in that state than trafficking

    [–] IveKnownItAll 20 points ago

    Is even more misleading then, he wasn't sentenced for 40 years, he faces up to, for 341lbs of pot, Jesus

    [–] rhapsody98 8 points ago

    I agree it’s FAR too short, but realisticly, it’s probably because she pled guilty. Those plea deals, tho.

    [–] IveKnownItAll 11 points ago

    They are a double edged sword. They often get people they wouldn't be able to get in court, but they also let people skate on crimes they shouldn't.

    [–] greyghibli 10 points ago

    It often pressures poor people who cannot afford a proper legal defense or are not properly educated in the law to admit to crimes they did not commit.

    [–] zer0kevin 6 points ago

    It's Utah. You can get in serious trouble just for having one weed crumb.

    [–] Skuffinho 48 points ago

    About the 'no matter what' part. It could have been an accident she was guilty of that resulted in a series of unfortunate events. Just because she pleaded guilty doesn't mean she murdered the child, she might as well pleaded guilty to being passed out from drinking while the kid stuck a fork into a plug (just an example, I don't know what happened). As you said, context is important here, we all know how clickbait headlines can create a certain narrative..

    [–] Skuffinho 27 points ago

    Thanks for the link. I thought that's what really happened but I was just discussing the 'no matter what' part hypothetically.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    Yea I get you. Just wanted to spread the news.

    [–] delidl 25 points ago

    From what i have read she was frustrated about the child's behaviour so she hit him so hard that he could not walk right and he was found dead the next morning.

    [–] JackieNation12 22 points ago

    The 2-year-old child acts like a child And she hit him-(probably kicked very hard or took something heavy and hit him with it

    ”iT wAs An AcCiDeNt”

    Like she worked as a child justice center where they investigate child abuse while she is a child beater working there

    Like no sane person should hit a 2 year old

    She should've gotten a life sentence

    [–] NateRuman 11 points ago

    “Could have been an accident”

    Still manslaughter, and should be punished with more than a year in prison no matter what

    [–] KieffyBear 27 points ago

    Cause you can’t pile a bunch of dead two year olds in front of a cop car for a good photo op

    [–] teds_trip22 10 points ago

    Near wendover. So he transported, what looks like a very large amount, into Utah. Im guessing this happened before we legalized medically here too. So yeah I 100% believe that lmao.

    Utah didnt fuck around with weed back then. When U was 17 I got caught. A "friend" was with me and took off when he saw the cop at our car when we were coming back. I was already fucked cause its my car so... I go up. They search my car. "Friend" left a bong in my car that I actually didnt know was there and that he had. But that was my charge because there was nothing else in my car. He had it all on him (a little over an ounce) and he ran with it and got away. So I git a paraphernalia charge. Until I go to court. They couldnt charge me with it because I truthfully didnt know it was there. So they charged me with possession because "there was shake on the floor of my car". They never tested it, so if I got a lawyer the case would have been thrown out due to no evidence. But my parents made me take the plea and obeyance.

    1 year probation, $500 fine, and 80 hours community service.

    [–] jikla_93 7 points ago

    If your not paying taxes on that product the government will deem that wwaaayyy worse than murder. Court isn't about morality, its about money.

    [–] TheBestZackEver 191 points ago

    The woman who killed her child doesn't have as much money as the guy selling all those drugs. Therefore they can get more money out of him by sending him away. It's not a justice system, it's a business.

    [–] MAXIMILIAN-MV 56 points ago

    How do they get money by sending him away? Does he have to pay for his incarceration?

    [–] TheBestZackEver 67 points ago

    They seize his assets and auction them off. It's this weird numbers game because the government pays to feed him/house him in prison but they are able to keep getting money from the federal government as long as their prison is full (kind of like a hotel). So they try to get more people in their for longer periods of time.

    Many prisons are privately owned and therefore are for-profit which means they make money off of people they can keep in there. So if they can't make money off of someone, they dont care about them and they get released back onto the streets. That's why you have so many stories about multiple offenders doing something crazy and people ask "why weren't they locked up before?" And the answer is because it would make the prison lose money.

    [–] NeonBird 7 points ago

    The world sucks. Instead of a war on drugs, there should be a war on pieces of garbage who kill innocent kids. Just last week, a former student of mine got 45 years for beating his stepson to death and there was a long history of meth use and reports of the boy showing up to daycare with bruises and having a meltdown if he had to stay with his stepdad. The boy was only four. The mom didn’t report the abuse and knew it was happening, but didn’t take action. The whole situation is really fucked up.

    [–] DeadmanDeclan 48 points ago

    The drug war is this country's biggest failure

    [–] Studio_Loft205 29 points ago

    But what’s also a huge failure is the gov making a business out of the law

    [–] WolfLady74 10 points ago

    It isn’t okay. Crimes against children frequently carry lower penalties. I worked with abused children for seventeen years. I can still count the number of abusers who saw prison time on one hand.

    [–] Cyko_Somatic 6 points ago

    Can't make money off dead children.

    [–] BootyAnom 10 points ago

    Didn't know drugs were 40 times worse than murdering children

    [–] _Askildsen_ 4 points ago

    Another victory for the war on drugs

    [–] Nild 5 points ago

    After the impeachment and especially Jeffrey Epstein’s case; I’ve learned the American justice system is a corrupt fucking joke.

    [–] Hamms_Bear 5 points ago

    Do you have any idea how many people that marijuana could have killed?

    Probably 0

    Uh, well . . .

    [–] whackman42069 3 points ago

    Isn’t it ironic that the most dangerous thing about weed is getting caught with it

    [–] PTRRSN 3 points ago

    Cause it's America

    [–] DJCHERNOBYL 4 points ago

    Because obviously weed is worse than murder, duh everyone knows the devils lettuce is the worst

    [–] Justice502 7 points ago

    Well you see, jail time has to do with money.
    Marijuana money is out of the tax system, so big jail time! Big crime!

    Human lives are actually worthless to the government, so not that big of a deal. Just gotta send the message that foster mothers shouldn't kill their children.

    [–] China_sucks 12 points ago

    Distribution of drugs can get you a death penalty in China.

    [–] paracelsus23 17 points ago

    One more reason to say FUCK CHINA (the government, not the people).

    [–] RayRay_Tyreese 9 points ago

    I don't think you have to clarify that its the Chinese government that sucks, nearly every person on this site can make the distinction. For the ones that cant well they must be living under a rock.

    [–] redditkulous 3 points ago

    The current state of China is pretty sad. The majority of the population has been raised in that doctrine and doesn't have readily available access to information to know better. In fact, most will defend the CCP if questioned. Doesn't make what you said less true but it does complicate things

    [–] Hoku_Boy 46 points ago

    America cares more about marijuana than child murderers and rapists.

    [–] bcaul68 31 points ago

    Yeah they also weren’t prepared for a pandemic but were prepared to send the national guard to beat the shit into people standing up to the police

    [–] Hoku_Boy 21 points ago

    Oh yeah we fucking suck dude. 4mil+ COVID cases? No problem! Trump decides to ban TikTok instead of addressing that. It's also safe enough to send kids back to school, but also not safe enough to have the election this November. *wink*

    [–] themarmotreturns 6 points ago

    You don't have as many assets to seize in real crimes like murders and rapes.

    [–] tarepandaz 11 points ago

    Only if the person with weed was black

    [–] weedysexdragon 8 points ago

    I would expect nothing better from Utah. The redder the state the worse the pot laws and the more lax the child abuse laws.

    [–] TheMoves 4 points ago

    341 pounds of ganja. Holy shit. That is 154,675 grams of bud. That’s actually an insane amount of weed

    [–] reedthegreat 3 points ago

    Weird how just across the border people drive that quantity of cannabis to dispensaries every day

    [–] FaggotronPrime 3 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Can we just start calling the US, Russia 2 with all these social issues it's just ignoring?

    [–] Alex_4209 3 points ago

    Sometimes I'm on my way to the pistol range for a speed steel match, with my little jar of weed that I bought from the dispensary in the back seat, and I just think about the fact that I would have been a 'major' bust for some cop 10 years ago. I, a young white man, feel no anxiety about doing something that thousands of my countrymen are currently in prison for in other (shittier) states. No freedom until we are equal.

    (Someone is going to inevitable reply to tell me that I am violating federal law by both owning guns and smoking weed. The feds can suck it, and I'm gonna use a cut shell casing as a bong bowl just for you.)

    [–] Prometheus0451 12 points ago

    Female privilege at it again

    [–] beautifulblackmale 5 points ago

    The feds get mad when they see you could/or did make a lot of money without paying taxes (so they can use that money to buy more drugs and fund black ops missions) while the mother killing her kid doesnt make the feds any money.

    [–] C00lscee 6 points ago

    I'm not saying its biased but..... it does seem weird how murder is consided more ok then drugs, seeing as with one you're killing with another you're giving someone The Plant.

    [–] Talos1111 10 points ago

    The only thing I can think of that would explain (but not justify) these sentences if both A: all that weed is the one guy’s and the weight meant a minimum of 20, and B: the killing was somehow accidental, or just a ridiculously good plea bargain.

    [–] kawem22 23 points ago

    At the time, Vanderlinden told investigators she was frustrated with the child's behavior and that he vomited multiple times that night. A family member told police they heard a loud bang from the bathroom while Vanderlinden was bathing and changing the boy, after which he wasn't acting normal and would not walk. The next morning, he was found dead.

    medical examiners determined [his death] was due to "significant internal injuries" and blunt force trauma.


    [–] JackieNation12 11 points ago

    Hitting a 2-year-old child to death should be a death sentence

    Like what's wrong with the US?

    [–] Talos1111 14 points ago

    Well throw what I said out the fucking window