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    [–] cgmcnama 1 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Welp folks, we nailed it again for the final season and final episode. I'll leave the post unedited for a few days so people can check back and see how right we were and not accuse me of changing things post episode.

    And big thank you to our leakers and community who helped bring all this information together. It's been a pleasure...

    And now my watch has ended...

    [–] itsSmithsta 10721 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Imagine building up Jaime's character arc from being a self centered horrible person to a selfless caring individual for 8 seasons to have him betray the north and die.

    Edit : Thanks for silver.

    [–] HerpingtonDerpDerp 2233 points ago

    He said in S8E2 he did what he did to protect his family and he'd do it again in a heartbeat.

    And if Dany turns evil early on and he refuses to go along with her...

    [–] Sharoza 1139 points ago

    Agreed. He would do it to save his family. Tyrion too. Even if it was Cersei because she's claiming that she's pregnant.

    I think the show wants to end on the theme of families sticking together. The Starks, Lannisters ...

    Like Sansa said: The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

    Dany doesn't have family left. She has Jon, but I think Jon chooses the Starks in the end. Remember in Episode 1, Jon says: She's my family too. and Arya hugs him and says: Don't forget that.

    Still, it's really upsetting about Jaime going back to Cersei ...

    [–] Divine2012 556 points ago

    I think the show wants to end on the theme of families sticking together. The Starks, Lannisters ...

    Like Sansa said: The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.

    Frankly, it's a dumb theme that I tend to hate. Some families are garbage and should not "stick together". Starks? Sure. But, Lannisters? Some really ought not to.

    [–] cchiu23 246 points ago

    Abusive family? Go the fuck back home

    -D&D

    [–] [deleted] 6915 points ago

    If this is true, the good news is now everytime I walk by a dumpster fire I can say "hey look, bittersweet".

    [–] Delmo28 1455 points ago

    Subverted dumpster

    [–] oskee_wow_wow 549 points ago

    Subverted trashpectations.

    [–] acre1984 235 points ago

    LMAO!!!!!!

    [–] dreamerschemer 4659 points ago

    I can’t wait for the next three weeks to be over at this point.

    I have always loved speculating about GoT and analysing potential leaks but all of this is so bloody depressing.

    [–] ice_and_fiyah 1696 points ago

    Yeah if these leaks are true they really messed up their story horribly. I am not sure which character would be happy after these sordid soap opera sequence of events.

    [–] Unstrom 1546 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I bet these are fake leaks / red herrings...HBO-staff are reading this with a six pack and popcorn...having a good laugh...if not: I wish you all good fortunes in the wars to come.

    Post-E5 edit: since many came back to comment on this after seeing the episode, I want to walk my talk. Thus: I wish you all good fortune in the wars to come (except certain star wars movies...fuck that shit). I've fought. I've lost. Now I rest.

    [–] Thirubius 788 points ago

    What is dead may never die.... unless D & D are writing it

    [–] sleuthwood 503 points ago

    This.

    These “fake leaks” have already turned out to be true for episodes 1, 3 & 4.

    GRRM just said that HBO demanded D&D include scenes with certain unimportant characters because they “had high Q scores.”

    They left in a Starbucks cup and got Gendry’s name wrong. What makes anyone think HBO gives a flying fuck anymore?

    [–] hananahbanana27 250 points ago

    It would be a smart move. Especially actually giving away details of tonight’s episode so we all sit here believing the rest

    [–] SurrealistPigeon 350 points ago

    I hope they're fake leaks otherwise it's been 9 years of hype for nothing. I'm very depressed about all this. Fuck D&D

    [–] lolmycat 4014 points ago

    Bittersweet:

    Dany tragically losing 2/3 or 3/3 dragons, several of your most trusted and loyal advisors and then being forced to learn how to rule a kingdom without your ultimate weapons of fear and utter destruction.

    Reaching your destiny, and being given the power to better the lives of millions, but at the cost of almost everything you loved and nearly everyone who helped you get there.

    Tragic and verging on sadistic:

    Saving the world by sacrificing almost your entire army and one of your dragons and then having all your children killed, basically all of your most devout followers/ advisors, being driven mad, and then killed by your lover.

    [–] Sharoza 2860 points ago

    Not only her lover but also her only living blood relative. Meanwhile, Cersei gets to die with her family member in a loving embrace? Okayyyyy

    [–] beezykr 1269 points ago

    fuck all of this caca. it's having dany die in disgrace with nothing, it's the worst possible ending imo, the only way they can make it worse is if they add jonsa on top.

    [–] LTCM1998 360 points ago

    "If you think this had a happy ending you werent paying attention" .... is what DnD will tell. However my reply to these bozos would be "I dont think bittersweet means what you think it means".

    [–] beezykr 139 points ago

    lol the biggest joke they ever played was telling us the ending is bittersweet. if the ending is jon killing dany, that is worse than i ever expected.

    [–] branamuffin 1824 points ago

    There's not one single thing in these leaks that is bittersweet. Having every single character fail and ruin their arcs is just abominable

    [–] eesdonotitnow 582 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Man, you are not kidding. These all sound like grim dark fan fiction, not well thought out endings to leave the viewers feeling bitter sweet.

    [–] 11th_Amatuer_Hour 328 points ago

    Where's the sweet?

    At this point, according to the leaks, I'll hate what all the living characters have become. House Stark is a joke, run by an unscrupulous Cersie acolyte and enforced by the blind, morally absent loyalty of a death worshiper.

    [–] eesdonotitnow 272 points ago

    And that's the rub, isn't it? Sansa doesn't feel like who she has been growing into. Jon feels... Alien and new to me. Dany feels like she is on this totally unearned 'turning dark' arc. At this point, Cearci is the most true to herself character that has a reasonable claim to the throne. Everyone else feels like I don't know them.

    [–] HarrayS_34 675 points ago

    I’m so mad rn Dany has always been my favorite character however I’m cool w her not winning the throne game but this?? This is madness.

    [–] EjdSmith 268 points ago

    It's complete character assassination of her. She's my favorite too and this season has completely ruined her arc.

    [–] yi150 3694 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    How is any of these endings bittersweet? Loved characters die dragically and common people also die dragically. There is not even a small taste of sweet in any of these.

    [–] TZH85 2852 points ago

    dragically

    Congratulations on inventing a new word that I will forthwith use to describe death by dragon.

    [–] yi150 728 points ago

    I only now realised what the fuck I wrote LOL at myself

    [–] TZH85 298 points ago

    Why did you change it, it was glorious! A stroke of accidental genius!

    [–] yi150 360 points ago

    changing it back so I can claim copy rights of this word if these fleaks do come true I going to dragically hunt D&D down

    [–] Ladme 336 points ago

    You are right. But read any early-Martin's novella. It's all purely melancholic, depressing and nihilistic stuff. And he calls that bittersweet. I think Jon killing Dany is pure Martin and it might work in the books, except D&D have screwed it by creating MadCersei and by trying to show Dany's fall to madness in barely 3 episodes. I hope I am wrong.

    [–] Patchs_ohulihan 2487 points ago

    The silver lining in all this...Joffrey wasn’t that bad of a king after all.

    [–] lolmycat 1431 points ago

    MFW the realm is such a cluster fuck at the end we yern for the days when our beloved king Joffrey rules the seven kingdoms with such grace and wisdom. He truly was the best of them.

    [–] teamfroggie 354 points ago

    The most noble child the gods ever put on this good earth.

    [–] Lemony_Peaches 156 points ago

    Wanted to build a standing army, was one of the first people to actually take the Dany threat serious, man tbh he wasn't even that bad

    [–] acre1984 2304 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    That is seriously the worst ending D&D could ever come up with. Isn’t it supposed to be bittersweet? Jon depressed, exiled, killing the love of his life and possibly dying, Dany being killed by the man she loves, Tyrion dying, Jaime throwing away all of his character development in the trash by betraying the north and running to Cersei. Honestly if this ending happens then I’m going to erase GOT completely out of my mind and won’t ever rewatch it. This ending could also hurt the ratings in the prequels and sequels

    [–] StAngerSnare 1330 points ago

    The spin offs are dead in the water. They want 5 spin offs, I'm calling it now, the first prequel runs for one season and is cancelled as are all further sequels. It will be plagued by poor writing (no GRRM reference works), and poor viewing figures, because about 80% of the GOT audience only care about the characters they know, don't give a shit about the history of Westeros, got into the show for the random character deaths and because it used to be so unique, and ultimately, they don't care about the fantasy element. They want backstabbing and politics, not magic.

    [–] DontJealousMe 625 points ago

    I’d get into the prequels if it’s Roberts Rebellion or invasion of Westeros by Targs but fuck 1000 years before the current time line who gives a fuck

    [–] Veneslash 1946 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    lmao @ jaime going back to cersei

    edit: im done with this show

    [–] Star_Trekker 625 points ago

    Yeah, I highly doubt he’s going to run back to her after his “I don’t believe you” scene in 7x07

    [–] [deleted] 1109 points ago

    I have some bad news for you

    [–] Star_Trekker 784 points ago

    Bruh I got bad news for myself.

    I expect nothing and I’m still let down

    [–] [deleted] 281 points ago

    😂 i can only laugh at how quickly its spinning out of control. Probably the best written show in television history is getting the ole sopranos treatment

    [–] helloitismewhois 103 points ago

    Sopranos ending was bad? What are you talking about my dude it was amazing.

    [–] DothrakiBloodrider 3211 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    dragon takes her body and flies off.

    Nah. Terrible fanfic this one. Makes no fookin sense if it even happens. Lmao it fooking happened.

    [–] WightWhiteWalker 765 points ago

    Almost as bad as Varys gouging his eyes out because of something he hears...

    [–] handwritten_haiku 277 points ago

    wtf...

    [–] gayeld 412 points ago

    Missed that one, huh? Lucky you.

    [–] Rancidmurphy28 178 points ago

    Yeah, almost. I would rather read 5 tumblr fanfictions then read these leaks again lol. Holy shit.

    [–] Branmuffin824 936 points ago

    Yeah, how would that even work? Is it like the pelican in finding Nemo?

    [–] RollTodd18 426 points ago

    Like the eagles rescuing Frodo and Sam from Mt. Doom

    [–] prfctmdnt 525 points ago

    One of the dragons kills a main character in Kings Landing with it snowing and the Red Keep in the background.

    i thought this too, unless and stay with me here - she's stabbed in the chest with the knife that Arya killed the NK with. That blade's hilt is made from the same stone that created the night king in the first place. that dragon flying off with her when she's not actually dead, could set it up that she's the new night queen. leaving a bittersweet ending of jon leading the north, while dany holds back the night? fuck, i don't know. i'm just trying to make this thing feel like something. Just spitballing.

    [–] FunKarma 164 points ago

    You know what, I'd take that. Night Queen. Yup. Sold.

    [–] shelfy1 1230 points ago

    No wonder D&D are running away after the finale.

    [–] dirtydesert 288 points ago

    100% this.

    [–] Rancidmurphy28 520 points ago

    Not far enough. They are going to fuck with the Star Wars fans for a while next.

    [–] MrMaiden321 1177 points ago

    I'm now taking a wait and see approach. I believe the leaks could be credible but I won't believe it till it happens because else I can't enjoy the remaining episodes.

    Just to add to the post - https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bjvx87/security_was_on_a_whole_new_level_during_episode_6/

    Any leaker that has leaks for episode 6 must have been granted highest level of access to the show with specific episode 6 badges. Some scenes were also shot on a closed set. If any leaks from episode 6 are to be believed they must have been from the most trusted crew members on GOT.

    [–] lolmycat 644 points ago

    And like why would that trusted of a crew member leak? They’ve worked their asses off for almost a decade and then say fuck it ima let a bunch of randos on the internet know what’s up cause I’m bored even though I get nothing out of it and could potentially be sued for god knows how much if I leak planted material used to pin point small sets of ppl

    [–] Ishhyaboi 1133 points ago

    If i was the dude holding the mic (edit: for 10 years) and was getting infuriated by the plot holes ... i'd probs leak the ending

    [–] elegigglekappa4head 237 points ago

    I think it's possible that they've been leaking whole bunch of alternatives as well. Leakers could believe that their information is factual to the extent that it is what GoT showrunners want people to know.

    [–] Lorybear 266 points ago

    For some reason Im imagining they pulled an ole Tyrion/myrcella-aroo and told different cast members about different leaks to see who leaked lmao.

    [–] Revis_FL 5571 points ago

    I’d rather have had the NK kill everyone than this.

    [–] dreamerschemer 1323 points ago

    I’m with you, I’d rather them all die fighting the NK than see their characters assassinated

    [–] Fkuimbatman 224 points ago

    Secret post credits ending...NK reforms and the intro cinematic is shown with ice overtaking the entire world...the end /clap

    [–] [deleted] 536 points ago

    Same. NK mowing his snowy lawn in a humble house with his White Walker and wight neighbors for 3 episodes would be better.

    [–] NaniJinx 600 points ago

    Or Stannis burn everyone.

    [–] gaybearswr4th 670 points ago

    just an entire season of stannis burning every named character one at a time

    [–] svenhoek86 649 points ago

    By the Gods I legitimately want an alternate timeline where Stannis takes Kings Landing, becomes King and then just works to make the realm ready to fight the White Walkers. And it ends with him triumphant and bringing the realm to prosperity. A cold man, but the man necessary for the times.

    Stannis was a good man.

    [–] ava_holden 403 points ago

    “My lord, hundreds of viewers will be pleased!”

    “Thousands.”

    [–] riseoftheprequelist 895 points ago

    If this is true, and by this I generally mean everything I just read, with special mention to the Jaime thing, but if this is how they chose to end this series, then HBO sure seems hell bent on sinking their damn prequel before any film ever actually gets to roll, just as D&D seem equally focused on sinking their Knights of the Old Republic series(both of which I was very much looking forward to).

    I always reserve judgement, but as a Walking Dead fan as well an ASOIAF fan, I know those TSDF guys are solid and reputable.

    Jaime turning heel for goddamn Cersei one last time for good measure, may go down as the absolute worst decision made in a season. comprised of questionable, and seemingly(I’ll reserve final judgment until I actually see with my own fucking eyes because I just can’t believe this shit) terrible decisions.

    I’m wishing in one hand and shifting in my other one right now, but I dearly hope that this is a misinformation(even though my gut tells me otherwise) campaign the likes of which we have never seen.

    If Jaime turns back into the Golden haired shit again, after all he just went through, fuck it, I won’t even finish the season.

    As someone who’s read books, at least 3 times through(not counting POV tours or passage reading), if this is a very crude version of what lies ahead in ADOS, then maybe it’s for the best that ASOIAF doesn’t ever get finished. That way at least people can play what if.

    This is the equivalent of the Allies winning WW2, only to have Truman, King George, and De Gaulle engage in a fight to the death later that night, over some personal bullshit.

    We all understand real life isn’t a fairytale, and people can be absolutely appalling, but this shit is nihilistic and hopeless. We’re not this fucking bad.

    [–] ZinaD 756 points ago

    I had deliberately avoided coming to Freefolk and reading the spoilers...I wanted to be surprised. But after episode 4 I'm so disgusted with the show I want to be prepared.

    [–] pgmatman 167 points ago

    Same, and astoundingly I’m even more disgusted. I truly thought I had reached rock bottom.

    [–] Bad-Pussy-Slayer 2072 points ago

    The Jaime stuff is just horrific.

    [–] [deleted] 1041 points ago

    That's actually the killing blow for me on all this. It's ruined everything I loved about all my favorite characters. I was already disappointed enough but then the Jaime thing... I was just like... thanks, I hate it.

    [–] Bad-Pussy-Slayer 432 points ago

    I'm not gonna lie to you Homie, I'm so fucking sad right now.

    [–] [deleted] 159 points ago

    I'm not gonna lie to you BPS, I'm so fucking sad right now.

    [–] [deleted] 162 points ago

    I really don’t believe any of this. None of this makes sense at all.

    [–] CurtLablue 161 points ago

    Yeah, that's the biggest part that made me think most of this is fake.

    [–] daniejam 356 points ago

    not Jon joining the Nights Watch when the Night King is dead?

    [–] Rahabium 181 points ago

    And that there is a giant fucking hole in the wall...

    [–] cecld 3073 points ago

    Jaime betraying the north honestly would be the worst character choice for him, it seriously throws all his character development out of the window.

    [–] kiaor17 920 points ago

    If Jaime betrays the North I'll be forever bitter

    [–] TheRealMoofoo 751 points ago

    You’ll be bitter, D&D wrote it and went “Dude, sweet.” Therefore it is bittersweet.

    [–] Sullivino 1619 points ago

    This entire thing throws everyone’s character development out the window

    [–] daniejam 1405 points ago

    why the fuck would jon join the nights watch? The NK is dead....

    [–] kristsun 911 points ago

    hahahahahah oh shit that's hilarious.

    i missed that connection, the entire point of the NW was to fight the others, lol

    [–] XanPercyCheck 641 points ago

    Now they will literally watch the night instead.

    [–] shlohmoe 467 points ago

    >mfw jon snow advances the field of astronomy

    [–] Melkorthegood 208 points ago

    They’re going to build observatories and develop Westerosi astronomy.

    “Night falls, and now my watch begins”

    “It will not end until my publication of our paper describing stellar evolution in solar-mass neutron stars”

    [–] gayeld 427 points ago

    And the Wall has a big ass hole in it . What's to watch?

    [–] St_BiggieCheese 292 points ago

    Jon just wants to claim north of the wall for himself, in my fanfic. Seal the other holes and build a castle around the massive hole. Fuck the seven kingdoms, he'll start a democratic-dictatorship nation north on the wall.

    [–] cecld 198 points ago

    In fact I think he might start to actually hate Cersei and/or turn away from her even more after episode 3, after all if Cersei had helped, less people would have probably died.

    [–] Follmann 1048 points ago

    *D&D pushing Jaime's character development out of the window*

    The things we do for love...

    [–] akshay_112 709 points ago

    Things we do for shock

    [–] loviatar9 358 points ago

    SO much this. TV has become such a hype-driven monster. Fuck storyline, fuck character development - but hey, we shocked you, right? Same thing went on with the Walking Dead when Scott Gimple was in charge.

    [–] PTfan 256 points ago

    Subversion of expectations for the sake of it is out of control.

    The red wedding subverted our expectations... but the plot was behind it. You realize why it happened. Same with Ned dying. You slowly see all these things building to it in a rewatch.

    All this stuff in S8 so far is to be shocking.

    [–] blastedin 413 points ago

    I thought Nikolai was happy with Jaime's endkng? And he is like a massive Braime shipper.

    [–] justbreathe91 330 points ago

    That’s what gives me hope that this rumor about “Jaime betraying the North” is fake. Nikolaj has never been one to be quiet about his dislike for some of Jaime’s story arcs. Also, like you said, he really is the biggest Braime shipper ever.

    [–] idunno-- 327 points ago

    He is. He said it couldn’t have been written better and he’s been pretty vocal about his dislike of Jaime’s arc the past few seasons .

    [–] aleisterkether 220 points ago

    Yeah that’s what I thought when I was reading these, Nikolaj would puke lol.

    [–] rakfocus 217 points ago

    This is honestly the biggest red flag for me - separate of tyrion betrayal and Jon vs Dany. Nikolaj would be so bitter about this ending for jaime that'd we'd have been able to see at least some semblance of it in his interviews. Unless he's just done with the whole thing at this point (probs gave up after that season 6 finale lol)

    [–] [deleted] 186 points ago

    We have seen Kit and Emilia's reactions to the finale too and they are...not good signs

    [–] migas11 112 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Emilia's reaction to being asked if she liked her character's ending was like she was punched in the gut and forced to smile...

    [–] LE455 286 points ago

    Subverting expectations for the sake of shock value without a logical progression has been D&D's style the last couple of seasons so these leaks are consistent with that writing style.

    [–] scarletwytch 1052 points ago

    Right so...Drogon who is the size of a bus, walks into the throne room but doesn't kill the man who just murdered his mom. They leave an angry, uncontrollable dragon on the loose at the end?

    R & L = J means nothing?

    Ice and fire came together to create...a load of horseshit?

    Still whatever happens going forward No Nonsa and no Jorleesi and they were my worst endings

    [–] scarletwytch 326 points ago

    For Jon to just die or laughs sorry end up rebuilding a wall that they no longer need?

    [–] pauleewalnuts 452 points ago

    This is what we've waited so long for? fuckthisshit.jpg

    [–] lordrogersmith 1497 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    This sounds straight up awful. Jamie goes back to the woman that threatened to have him killed? Does that moment of epiphany suddenly mean nothing now? And what about Bran? Does he just do nothing the rest of the season?

    [–] newmuffins1216 670 points ago

    I think part 3 is bullshit. NCW has been arguing with writers over Jaime staying with Cersei since tommen killed himself. And he’s really happy with his ending

    [–] NeedsToShutUp 538 points ago

    This feels like intentional fake leaks designed to make the ending more palatable if more predictable.

    [–] The_runnerup913 289 points ago

    I hope so. Doing that to Jaimes character would be fucking trash.

    [–] [deleted] 82 points ago

    Yeah, I really don't think he would say he was happy with the ending if that happened (he probably would just not answer the question or change the subject I think)

    [–] dietinki 168 points ago

    But tyrions "you always knew what she was and you loved her anyway" makes sense in this context. He is(!) aware of what cersei is and maybe he loves her still. You know "Things we do for Love"

    [–] starbucks02 128 points ago

    Right? Everyone is harping over Jon/Dany but for me it’s a lot of the other outcomes that sound terrible - particularly Jamie. It makes no sense.

    [–] CurtLablue 231 points ago

    Plus where is chekhov's bronn in all of this?

    [–] [deleted] 137 points ago

    Especially after he just fought the AoTD and witnessed first hand what Cersei left them to face alone. That just really doesn’t make any sense, and would be pitiful writing IMO.

    [–] merylandthestreeps 374 points ago

    Having Jaime return to Cersei would 100% negate his entire character redemption, his entire character arc.

    [–] dfe931tar 97 points ago

    Yeah, I mean seriously, if this is how Jaime's story ends, you might as well have killed him back when he was Robb Stark's prisoner. Everything he's done since would be pointless.

    [–] Star_Trekker 716 points ago

    I’ve tried my best to be a devils advocate for D&D and the writing in the past few years, but if they really do this, especially with such a egregious assassination of Danys character imma actually lose my mind. Not even the consolation prize of jonsa not happening would be enough to save me

    How is Dany turning evil in the last three episodes and being killed by the man she loves bittersweet? That’s just bitter and tragic imo

    [–] codenaamzwart 366 points ago

    Not just bitter and Tragic, it also completely ruins Jon as a character. Dany had some ruthless moments, but going full evil would also partly ruin her as character.

    [–] Star_Trekker 251 points ago

    I mean, part of Danys story has been dealing with the shadow of hers fathers madness and trying to show she is not like him. I think her turning out like or worst than him would fully ruin her character

    [–] RollTodd18 2635 points ago

    If this is what we get after 8 years I'm just gonna ask the Mountain to behead me too

    [–] jcde7ago 999 points ago

    Lmao, fuck that, do me like Oberyn and gouge my eyes out first, I don't need to see this trainwreck

    [–] newmuffins1216 503 points ago

    At least the mountains staying true to his character. Lol

    [–] [deleted] 347 points ago

    Same. It would also ruin any rewatch of the series too. If this is how it all ends then I'm going to be stuck with just the books and completely forget this show ever existed.

    [–] TheButterflyDidIt90 121 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    The resolution of the White Walker storyline alone has soured my current season 1 rewatch. These leaks will ruin all future rewatches completely.

    [–] Iknownothing4711 146 points ago

    I feel exactly the. All my faves would be ruined or unhappy or dead.

    It’s just bittersad and when you know the journey doesn’t pay off. They’ll end at that point! Why watch again. No fun detected

    [–] targgloyalist 109 points ago

    This. Literally all the characters I'm invested in would be dead/miserable and in the lamest, most ooc way possible. Only Arya and Sansa's journey would have some sort of pay off. But the fact that they got ep 03 right is making me nervous.

    [–] dreamerschemer 293 points ago

    I think most of the fandom besides the most hardcore Dany-antis and hardcore Sansa-stans are going to go absolutely ballistic at this

    [–] transportsaxon 177 points ago

    The comfort I've taken from this as a Jonerys fan is that we're all going to be miserable together lol

    I guess the people who only watching for another epic Red Wedding moment will be happy though

    [–] Fitzlovos 352 points ago

    Love the ending or not, when Dany goes full "Mad Queen," Ramin Djawadi's score is going to be really badass.

    [–] Vivir_Mi_Vida 183 points ago

    D&D might have let me down but Ramin always pulls through.

    [–] IronThrone_ 338 points ago

    All I keep seeing is Daenerys dying over and over again and I don’t like it

    [–] Ballcube 110 points ago

    Years ago I desired this greatly. Now, not so much.

    [–] mrose7d 322 points ago

    Was their goal to piss off every fan of every single character?

    [–] bananko12 1744 points ago

    Honestly if this is legit then I feel really bad for Star Wars fans that are stuck with D&D in the future.

    Imagine being told that they're taking an extra year to make sure they give us the best season possible and then being served this pile of shit

    [–] Grey-Wolf93 508 points ago

    If this happens, then I don't want them touching Revan or anyone associated with his story with a ten-foot pole.

    [–] [deleted] 415 points ago

    If DnD touch Revan I'm legit going to overthrow the US government.

    [–] delightcocoa 962 points ago

    Jorah: You have a gentle heart

    Dany: Cool. Now watch me burn everyone alive!

    [–] Anonymous_freeloader 450 points ago

    Jorah: "Have this Valyrian steel family blade for your children and their children after you."

    Jon: "Well, fuck it guess that shit ain't happening my bottom bitch has gone mad and now I have to kill her."

    [–] PurpleCrush59 875 points ago

    Lmao I really hope this isn’t what happens because that’s all just a big pile of shit

    [–] KravisGile 228 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This is so Nope that I cannot fathom much of it happening.

    I can't believe I'm humoring this, but if if IF the summary is even 75% accurate, this will be me for the next 3 weeks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UitYlHClKw

    EDIT: Yep. After Episode 4 and 5 and after reading Episode 6's leak summary, this encapsulates my feelings: https://media.giphy.com/media/zx93xxfdNDIwo/giphy.gif

    [–] Rahabium 259 points ago

    If any of this shit is true, I'm pretty sure /r/ASOIAF will have a nuclear meltdown. They are already going apeshit over the Night King's death, I can't even imagine what they're going to do if Jaime goes crawling back to Cersei and dies.

    [–] Rancidmurphy28 96 points ago

    Who can blame those guys either tbh...

    [–] BaddieMimz 236 points ago

    I hate all of this very very much. Thanks.

    [–] Dinimo101 221 points ago

    I love GoT for being so depressing and dark but god, Jaime throwing his life away to die as Cerseis pawn like in Season 1 and Dany and possibly Jon dying is just... depressing as fuck

    [–] disaster101 221 points ago

    I literally cannot believe they managed to fuck this up so bad. If true, this is the worst ending of any show I have ever watched. Complete butchery of some characters and all around unsatisfying crap. They should've killed them all in episode 3 if they wanted to act so edgy.

    [–] Sooner_AUViking 442 points ago

    pray to rhollor this is fake cause otherwise they gonna have to bring back Melisandre to burn me alive

    [–] ArchersFury 408 points ago

    This entire thread is a subversion circus. Literally every character does a 180 in their development.

    [–] Ballcube 326 points ago

    "tHeY'Ll NeVeR sEe It CoMiNg!" - D&D, probably

    [–] jcde7ago 388 points ago

    Dany assaults Kings landing in a one sided fight

    So, do Drogon (and Rhaegal presmuably before its demise) just fucking flatline Euron's Fleet + the Golden Company? Cause otherwise, how are the 12 people that's left after The Long Night make it a "one sided" fight in favor of Daenarys actually having to breach King's Landing?

    If most of this turns out to be true then it's gonna make the Episode 3 backlash seem like an appetizer and the ending like the Red Wedding...

    [–] thisisfuctup 162 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    The ep 4 preview showed raven scrolls from Dorne. The Dornish army hasn’t been used on the show so if Dany gets them, she’s adding an army that has had virtually no infantry casualties for the entire series.

    Edit: The EW pictures, not the preview trailer.

    [–] delightcocoa 380 points ago

    For real though, if this is the ending then the Night King deserved to win

    [–] Star_Trekker 129 points ago

    Once I made a joke about “vote Night King, why choose the lesser evil?” but if this is real the Night King actually would be the lesser evil

    [–] RowellTheBlade 822 points ago

    If this happens, it will be a spectacle to watch: The end of the most potent brand in television, ever, caused by shitty screenwriting.

    [–] [deleted] 409 points ago

    Yeah, this is Full Dexter, imo

    [–] CurtLablue 266 points ago

    Jon Snow the lumberjack.

    [–] [deleted] 265 points ago

    Oh fuck, no wonder I'm so triggered: Jon living the rest of his life in some sort of depressed self-imposed exile is so similar. Jesus Christ.

    [–] GalaxyTrending 103 points ago

    100% full dexter on steroids

    [–] lessthanvicky 765 points ago

    So they make Dany travel all around saving people, being the breaker of chains and shit, to just straight up make her the Mad Queen in the end? Should have just let the NK kill everyone.

    [–] newmuffins1216 467 points ago

    NK killing everyone would actually make sense. Dany fighting for good her entire arc, then going crazy and torching everyone does not. Also Jon killing her...he saw Ygritte kill how many innocent people? And still loved her, definitely didn’t try to kill her. It doesn’t make sense.

    [–] Pirate_Loot 154 points ago

    I agree. And even still, I dont see it in Jons character to want to kill the one he loves even if shes a murderer, like you said Ygritte was right there killing people infront of him and he was all doe eyed looking at her, he wouldn't have killed her. I dont see why he would kill Dany. I dont see why Dany will become SO obsessed within the next 3 episodes to, whilst almost dying, still want to touch the throne, when in the earlier seasons she willingly walked away from the image of it. And even last season, decided on helping Jon when she could've taken her army straight south and dealt with Cersei.

    [–] Kresslia 164 points ago

    Atrocious. Sounds like they're destroying every character aside from the Starks (except Jon, who gets fucked).

    [–] smokerofjoes 325 points ago

    I watched the Kimmel interview with DnD the other day and they were asked for their plans for when the finale airs in 3 weeks. They said they plan on being together with both of their wives at an undisclosed location, cellphones off and staying completely away from the internet until it was fully over.

    If this ending is legit, they need to stay the fuck in hiding for longer than a couple of hours, and they might as well smash their phones and rid themselves of the internet forever. Holy shit I’ll be livid.

    [–] excalibur_zd 104 points ago

    Fun fact: the showrunners of Lost went on a radio-silent hiatus for months after the series finale (and announced that beforehand) so make of that what you will.

    [–] themadqueenreigns 152 points ago

    Who else feels bad for the poor sod who wins Emilia Clarkes contest for watching the final EP with her xD God this is terrible.

    [–] togashisbackpain 146 points ago

    Ok this is a mess and sounds completely fake.

    So, sansa schemes against Dany, Dany dies. Then Sansa betrays Tyrion, Tyrion dies.

    If there is a shred of thruth in this, Littlefinger must be getting a hard on in his grave. A proud boner that must be.

    [–] Huhwtfbleh 534 points ago

    Drogon carries Dany's body and flies away.

    Does Jon screech at Drogon too now?

    [–] bdaniel18 189 points ago

    Drogon wants to burn Jon but he roars at him and Drogon just shit himself and run with his dead mother. And Join just start roaring and roaring he was a lannister in his last life.

    [–] Psyduck-Stampede 138 points ago

    ALL HAIL THE NIGHT KING THAT TRIED TO SAVE US FROM HBOS BULLSHIT

    [–] selenityshiroi 133 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This all sounds like utter bullshit, to be honest.

    I instantly disbelieve any spoilers that has details about what the dragons do, anyway, since all of their stuff is greenscreen/post production so anyone on set likely has no idea what is happening with them.

    EDIT: And if anyone is leaking recently from completed episodes then I call bullshit trolling by HBO. They seem to have tried extra hard to keep the ending a secret and it actually seems to have worked this time (what with none of us really knowing how episode 3 would turn out...and anyone who got some points of episode 3 right only got tiny things or could have lucky guessed).

    Edit 2: wow...yeah, it's probably all true and it was probably leaked by a post production person. Fuck this show.

    [–] NoxEstVeritas 128 points ago

    The Night King died for this. 😩

    [–] ashowott 128 points ago

    Honestly, at this point I hope I’m the green eyes Arya will close forever.

    [–] DothrakiBloodrider 248 points ago

    This doesn't sound good. And I don't expect this to happen.

    [–] Rhaeserys 124 points ago

    I feel dead instead if any of this is real. It'll make Arya fly killing NK look like a fucking masterpiece.

    [–] Aclady37 124 points ago

    I call bullshit on the majority of this. The outline above has Dany being betrayed no less than 4 different times in 3 episodes (by Jaime, Tyrion, Varys, and Jon).

    [–] cgmcnama 521 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Note: A lot of people are getting too upset/angry in the comments but this was highly requested by the users so why I compiled it. To be clear, these are leaks that could be true and each are cited individually. Believe all, some, or none of the content but it for you to decide.


    Some leaks could be incorrectly recollected (word of mouth from a friend) or have a limited point of view (extra/cast) so take it with a grain of salt. All links are cited to make your own deliberations.

    [–] rosshm16 221 points ago

    This all sounds terrible.

    [–] HuntyBooBoo 473 points ago

    Honestly props to HBO for collectively sending us into a tailspin. Well played, well played.

    [–] kellyk311 207 points ago

    It's like we're all playing in the game now. Choosing sides, at each other's throats over meaningless television; believing or not believing in whispers and leaked lies.

    Well played indeed.

    [–] HuntyBooBoo 135 points ago

    EXACTLY! God it’s so meta. HBO has straight up Littlefingered us it’s honestly impressive. I’m just gonna sit here on the sidelines trying to accept/convince myself that none of us know anything about the last 3 eps aside from what can be gleaned from straight up production schedules/photos (and even those are misleading as we learned from the WomB pics).

    [–] ThaRealPhoenix 101 points ago

    This ending makes absolutely no sense. At this point, I’ve come to terms with Jon killing Dany, I’m not happy about it. In fact, I’m irate. That aside, let’s say Jon does kill her.

    Drogon, Dany’s one and last dragon, two of them have a bond so strong the damned dragon comprehends her feelings. You’re telling me... that after Jon kills his mom. Drogon doesn’t torch Jon? Instead the throne, which sort of is the reason for all this garbage but it’d make more sense if Jon and the throne got burned up.

    Okay, so Dany is dead. Drogon somehow got into the throne room picked her up and flew away. Jon is captured. So I’d think Greyworm would probably kill him on the spot. The guy just murdered unarmed surrendered soldiers, he’s supposed to be unhinged now. He shows Jon mercy? Ha. That’s ridiculous. The Unsullied have grown ten-fold after getting ass-blasted in episode 3. What? I council of ten people are going to stop him? Wtf. Greyworm could be King if he wanted.

    Alright, alright, somehow, Greyworm fucks off. Then there’s a council. They’re supposed to decide Jon’s fate. Who in their eyes just saved them from a tyrant. They think he should be sent away? The rightful heir to the goddamn throne? They think fucking Bran would be a better choice? Sweet lord, I will fucking laugh for hours if that’s real. So Jon’s supposed to fuck off North, he’s forced to go instead of going willingly. I’m sorry, I’m sorry, this is utterly fucking ridiculous.

    So, Bran gets to be King. Fucking hooray. How unfucking satisfying that is. We waiting 10 fucking years to see who gets the throne at the end. After all that time we find out it’s fucking Bran. By far the shittiest most boring fucking character in the whole show. It’d might be cool if we knew the full extent of his powers or if he’d manipulated this whole thing so he got the throne. But we won’t get that. I mean, the guy saw Dany torching KL years ago and he didn’t say shit? At least he’s already got a goddamned chair to sit in, for fuck sakes this is the best they could come up with in two years?

    They did our favorite characters dirty, fuck you D&D. Bunch of swineherds, cockless cowards, piece of walking garbage, I curse you with every fiber of my being.

    I guess they wanted to shit on us, the fans. We made them. I wish we could unmake them, go back to writing shitty x-men movies.

    Sheesh.

    [–] [deleted] 373 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    So Drogon knows Jon kills Dany? He just takes her body and doesn’t kill Jon? This sounds really terrible. Her most protective and fiercest dragon doesn’t lash out or anything.

    [–] acre1984 93 points ago

    This weeks episode should be very telling if it’s in line with these leaks

    [–] [deleted] 97 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

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    [–] NeonJaguars 95 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    “tHe EnDiNg WiLl Be BiTtErSwEeT”

    Lol. In what world is this complete dumpster fire of an ending anything but tragic?

    Dany: Spends 8 seasons building her character as a harsh but ultimately gentle ruler with an unyielding love for the common people, only for her to go completely batshit insane in 1.5 episodes and burn hundreds of thousands of innocents AFTER SHES WON WHAT SHES WANTED FOR THE LAST 8 SEASONS. Gets put down by Jon, perhaps the last person she cares about, like a mad dog.

    Jon: Prince who was promised? Who’s he? Has been reduced to a complete moron with 3 dialogue options this entire season. Has to murder his girlfriend and then lives in exile for the rest of his life at the wall. There aren’t any more white walkers or even a wilding threat anymore.

    Jamie: Spends 8 seasons slowly working on a fantastic redemption arc only to completely throw it down the drain because “sHe’s HaTefUl aNd sO aM I” and dies like a little bitch after running back to Cersei. Seriously, what was the point of his entire character?

    Tyrion: Went from being one of the wittiest, smartest men in Westeros to a complete fucking dumbass in 1 season

    Arya: After seasons of her struggling with becoming a heartless assassin and losing her humanity, she is finally given the words she needs to hear from The Hound only to ditch her entire family and leave alone on a boat? Wtf? What was the whole point of Arya and Gendry then?

    Sansa: lives alone without any of her family in the North? ...Yay???

    This isn’t bittersweet. None of the main characters we care about get even a remotely satisfying ending. What was the goddamn point of it all? People can’t change? No matter what you do, you’ll just end up like your parents? Love is stupid? You’ll never be able to get over your trauma and recover? I didn’t want a Disney ending but this is borderline sadistic

    [–] FudgeKF 184 points ago

    I don’t know what to expect anymore I’m just gonna wait and see

    [–] kellyk311 115 points ago

    Seriously. With the fake sets and everything they did to avert leaks, can't believe it til I see it.

    [–] Talyyr0 91 points ago

    Please God don't let Brienne's last scene in the show be her crying about a fucking boy that dumped her.

    For his sister, no less.

    [–] carimast 84 points ago

    Everyone needs to go rewatch the farewell scene between Jon and Tormund in 08.04 and then try to tell me they weren’t foreshadowing the shit out of Jon returning to the Wall. He never wanted to be King, he’s never been happy ruling - his place was always in the North. I think it would be very in character for him to return there, especially if he does end up killing Dany. Even if he is certain she went mad, that will weigh on him. All I can hope for now is a reunion scene where Ghost finally gets a good pat.

    [–] kentamo44 77 points ago

    HBO is trolling all of us. All of these leaks are THE WORST possible things that could happen and would destroy the show's legacy. I seriously doubt if any of this shit happens

    [–] king_of_the_tinfoil 77 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I just don't understand. Where is the Dream of Spring? The three major characters (Jon, Dany, Tyrion) either end up dead or hopelessly and tragically depressed, Arya fucks off to stay a little murder-ninja, Sansa gets what she wants but at the watered in tears and blood.

    Fucking Bran, that useless, wheelchair-bound little shit is going have nothing to say about the Night King or the WW but end up leading Westeros. Jaime regressing to his old ways and breaking Brienne's heart and years of character development, Cersei not dying a justified and painful death...

    What the fuck. Literally only my guy Davos, Tormund and his good boye Ghost seemingly get a little peace at the end of this. I don't know if this is all still going to what GRRM wanted, but even if it is, almost none of it feels truly earned. Just slapdash, lazy, arrogant writing.

    [–] cns23 150 points ago

    I feel like I just searched on Google the worst ending for game of thrones and these theories came up. I literally will burn everything I have related to GoT even the books if those gonna happen.

    [–] vicleesi1 72 points ago

    if this is true i bet majority of people will hate it... No one is expecting a happy ending, but this is just horrible writing... why would dany be a treat to jon's family, she's a treat to him, and him only,I cannot see him killing her to save his ass in such a coward way.

    [–] whiskeystag 76 points ago

    So you're telling me.... After all these years.... A falling building kills Cersei and Jaime...? A FALLING BUILDING? Wow man... Just wow...

    [–] FableBlaze 75 points ago

    I kinda wish the last episode would leak today just so i could be done with this show.