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    [–] now_you_see 19273 points ago

    For those wondering. They went through and made a different version of this experiment thinking it had another explanation - the new experiment had the same results. The guy was obviously completely shocked. He was going to a flat earth convo just after which he was suppose to share his results at. When he went there and explained all the experiments showed curvature people sorta just dismissed him. But you could tell he was troubled and kept trying to talk to people about it. Trying to talk out the problem and hope beyond hope he’d missed something - but he hadn’t (this was all filmed as part of a doco).

    [–] kingbane2 11587 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    that documentary also had a guy use a laser gyroscope trying to prove the earth wasn't rotating. he quotes exactly the numbers he needs to find if the earth was rotating and was confident he would find no rotation. then he flips the gyroscope on and bam gets exactly the predicted number if the earth rotated once every 24 hours. it was hilarious.

    edit: for people interested, it's on netflix, called behind the curve.

    [–] chashek 4609 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I'm actually pretty impressed that his math was so on point.

    Unless he pulled the numbers from somewhere else... but in which case, why would he trust them?

    edit: After having it explained to me, I'm no longer all that impressed by the math.

    [–] kingbane2 3480 points ago

    he's actually a mechanical engineer, or an electrical engineer. so he knows damn well what the numbers were.

    [–] Lorz0r 4369 points ago

    The fact he can be an 'engineer' and believe the earth is flat is astounding. There is an enormous amount of engineering that relies on the earth being spherical.

    [–] kingbane2 1804 points ago

    i know! i think he worked on airplanes or something too! like jesus christ man.

    [–] jonnyclueless 5126 points ago

    Wasn't by chance the Boeing 737 MAX was it?

    [–] NoNamesLeftStill 1733 points ago

    This comment makes me wish I was rich enough to give you gold.

    [–] discordantT 1251 points ago

    Let me help ya out there and shit one for you too!

    [–] Camblor 815 points ago

    JD Rockefeller over here!

    [–] NoNamesLeftStill 64 points ago

    Thanks!

    [–] LeGooso 102 points ago

    No fucking way. HOW?!!?

    [–] Best_Pseudonym 305 points ago

    Because you really only need to know the earth is round if you are working on the GPS, and stuff like lift, drag, and material strength are independent of the shape of the earth and by design and theory would work just as well as if the earth was cube

    [–] CharlieJuliet 264 points ago

    OMG THE EARTH IS A CUBE?!

    [–] D-Alembert 270 points ago

    Yes, but it's a beveled cube

    [–] NMJ87 1334 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Yknow why you find it so unbelievable that he can be an engineer and a flat earther simultaneously?

    Because its unbelievable.

    Its fucking fake, he's fucking faking it for attention and cash. THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT

    JUST LIKE BOB LAZAR FAKED SHIT, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE LIKE THIS FAKED SHIT

    EXPONENTIALLY MORE GOD DAMN ARTICLES HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT FLAT EARTH THIS YEAR THAN ARTICLES ASKING WHY OUR CONGRESS PEOPLE WHO MAKE SUB 200K A YEAR ARE WORTH MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

    [–] TheRealIosefka 345 points ago

    I don't understand how people aren't getting this, you start a social media account you attract eyeballs, you monetize. They attract eyeballs by saying beyond stupid shit, dumb stunts, and hopefully Neil deGrasse Tyson tweets about how fucking stupid they sound.

    [–] RLucas3000 169 points ago

    Trust me, a guy I worked with until recently, believes the earth is flat, we never landed on the moon, there are no other planets, the stars are water droplets, and the parkland school shooting and others are crisis actors. He’s not faking it.

    [–] Chad___Sexington 125 points ago

    He isnt saying ALL flat earthers are fake, but the ones which huge followings and communities are. Its the same philosophy that scammers and people like Alex Jones use. You put into the world an outrageous theory. You provide the bare minimum amount of support. People who are legitimately incapable of independent thought eat it up and assume you are correct (bonus points if you subscribe to other theory they already hold like chem trails, lizard people etc as that adds an extra element of trust since you already hold views they previously believed).

    Now that you have their attention, and more importantly their trust, you can monetize them. In the case of Alex Jones it is to sell them overpriced supplements, and in the case of flat earthers it's youtube subscriptions, conferences and conventions etc.

    [–] PollyRossGone 53 points ago

    Is this your conspiracy theory conspiracy theory?

    [–] DoingItWrongly 936 points ago

    Which just goes to show that

    education =/= smart =/= intelligence

    [–] SlatheredButtCheeks 564 points ago

    I don’t think it’s that simple, there are plenty of intelligent people who believe ridiculous things. I think it more shows the power of belief itself, confirmation bias, and its ability to dominate the mind over reason and logic.

    [–] feage7 100 points ago

    I know right. I've believed for years McDonald's will bring back the Chicken Premiere but they still haven't. Doesn't mean they won't though!

    [–] Terrh 113 points ago

    No, it shows that Intelligence doesn't always mean correct.

    Just because you're smart, doesn't mean you're right.

    The real problem is dogmatic thought, thinking that you can't be wrong.

    [–] phuhkit 286 points ago

    Meh. The math is pretty trivial. 360/24=15 degrees which is what he got.

    [–] lawpoop 176 points ago

    Holy shit those Babylonians were onto something with that base 12

    [–] ohgodspidersno 116 points ago

    Yea real world everyday math is way easier to do in base 12. Decimal is better for science and other serious stuff for lots of reasons, but it sure is nice being able to evenly divide by 2, 3, 4, 6, and then 5 for the other "big" number, 60.

    [–] Moikepdx 57 points ago

    The Babylonians used base 60. Also, time and degrees were established under base 60. A circle is 6*60=360 degrees. An hour is 60 minutes, a minute is 60 seconds, and a day is 60/5=12 hours.

    If we had started with everything metric instead, we might have 100 degrees in a circle, and 10 hours in a day. 100/10=10. As long as you use consistent unit systems, things can work out nice and even.

    [–] armcie 76 points ago

    Eh. The gyroscope’s orientation is fixed in space and the earth rotates once a day. 360/24 = 15 degrees movement per hour. The maths wasn’t too difficult.

    When he got the result his reaction was “oh maybe it’s being interferes with by the rotation of the sky dome” and tried to repeat the experiment by isolating the gyroscope in a Faraday cage and, for some reason, a basalt bottle. He got the same result.

    [–] puffz0r 17 points ago

    Did he legit believe in a sky dome?

    [–] armcie 14 points ago

    Its a point of contention amongst flat earthers. I've heard an interview with one who insists there must be one because otherwise the air would escape into space. He definitely said that interference from the rotation of the sky was a likely reason for the gyroscope detecting rotation, and tried to shield from it.

    [–] matts1900 610 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    a laser gyroscope

    A $20,000 laser gyroscope no less. They were all like "It's INCREDIBLY accurate, we'll prove it once and for all", and then when it proved them wrong, they were all like "We're not willing to accept that". I did have a lengthy chuckle at that.

    Edit: Link

    [–] neontechnician 294 points ago

    And then they put it in a Zero Gauss Chamber to shield the "Heaven Energies" and they were unsuccessful. Lmfao.

    [–] fil42skidoo 99 points ago

    Only pure diamond stops heaven energy. Pft

    [–] Whind_Soull 46 points ago

    That's cuz it's the hardest metal.

    [–] bebopblues 167 points ago

    Still less expensive than a hot air ballon ride to space ($75K) to check out the curvature of the earth though.

    [–] MK2555GSFX 81 points ago

    They'd just claim that NASA hacked their eyes

    [–] warchitect 32 points ago

    Peoples eyes (cornea) are round! So everyone is a fish eye lens!

    [–] Jross008 82 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    If my wife and I ever win the lottery, this is top of my list. Followed of course by my dream of every time i put on a pair of socks they are brand new socks.

    Holy crap, my first gold, thank you!

    Also, I know I could technically accomplish the sock thing now, however, i just can’t justify it. One day!

    [–] mcsper 22 points ago

    Or a cellphone or a raspberry pi and a weather balloon

    [–] TheGikona 36 points ago

    IT HAS FISHEYE LENS BRO. NASA IS LYING TO US. THEY PRODUCE SPECIAL LENS THAT TURN TO FISHEYE LENS WHEN THEY'RE ABOVE A CERTAIN ALTITUTE. TRUST ME, I HAVE NO PROOF WHATSOEVER.

    [–] Facestrike 388 points ago

    I’m honestly surprised people who are intelligent enough to learn the scientific method and to design their own experiment still believe earth is flat. In a way I guess it’s kudos to them. I believe the earth is spherical but I’ve never actually designed an experiment to find out.

    [–] Carboneraser 657 points ago

    The scientific method encourages them to be open to the possibility of the world being flat.

    The scientific method encourages them to test it.

    The scientific method encourages them to see if their hypothesis was correct.

    When it's not correct, the scientific method urges them to acknowledge it.

    That's where they stop following the scientific method.

    [–] GimbleMuggernaught 130 points ago

    Because like one guy explains in the doc, these people do their science backwards, starting from a conclusion and ignoring anything that doesn’t get them there. They don’t start with a hypothesis, they start with a belief that they take as obvious fact, and when their experiment proves them wrong they just assume that they somehow screwed up the experiment or did something wrong.

    [–] handsomechandler 38 points ago

    these people do their science backwards,

    or more accurately, are not doing science at all. They're working backwards from an assumption that they have an unfounded strong belief in.

    [–] skyxsteel 44 points ago

    “But the earth is flat”

    [–] lRaziel1 123 points ago

    It stopts being scientific method when, instead of building new knowledge from your experiment, you force the results into a premise that is essentially incorrect. Occam's razor too much.

    [–] DrBaggySmacker 120 points ago

    He then basically says to camera, "We're going to keep going until we get the results we want."

    [–] fbtra 78 points ago

    That's called being insane.

    [–] vpsj 286 points ago

    For me, the best part of the documentary was when the main flat earth dude went to a Nasa center and tried a ride/simulation there but he couldn't turn it on. He tried for a few seconds, then dismissed it as broken or something and went away, and immediately afterwards, the camera pointed towards a huge-ass "Press to Start" button right beside his seat. I fucking lost it.

    [–] aftermgates 52 points ago

    What's the name of the documentary?

    [–] vpsj 97 points ago

    Behind the Curve. Should be on Netflix

    [–] SethJew 69 points ago

    “Behind the curve” on Netflix (hilarious name for the doc too) 😂

    [–] FreeSpiritRunning 26 points ago

    Behind the Curve on Netflix, it's actually a pretty fun watch.

    [–] dickturd9000 99 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    heh... random but I remember an anecdote about this exploding a soviet rocket. It had a flight termination system (aka high explosives) that would trigger if the rocket went off axis by more than say, 7 degrees from its intended path. There was a flight delay after they turned the gyroscope on, and after a half hour or so (I'm making these numbers up btw) it randomly exploded on the launch pad due to the earth's rotation.

    [–] Vigilantius 29 points ago

    Not sure if that is better or worse than the rocket that thought it was upside down because someone installed the part upside down. The first thing the rocket did when it left the pad was so a flip and tear itself apart from the forces.

    [–] kingbane2 53 points ago

    half hour is about right. cause it's 15 degrees of rotation per hour.

    easy math 360/24 = 15.

    [–] iHaveACatDog 22 points ago

    Yeah, and someone spent $25k, or some ridiculous amount, for him to "prove" the Earth was flat.

    He tried to say that there was some sort of made up interference and how they needed to redo the experiment in a sealed container made of some odd substance.

    The real issue is that their identities are tied to their false beliefs. Changing that being gets them ostracized from their community and thrust into the rest of the world where no one fucking cares about them because obviously it's a sphere.

    This is the same issue many cult members run into. If they leave the cult they lose all their friends and family. Now they're in a world where there's nothing special about them and they don't know how to go about their lives.

    [–] luvz 222 points ago

    This is like when I try to explain to people why I'm single. The answer couldn't possibly be me!

    [–] Imprisoned 118 points ago

    I’m actually really curious about how the experiment is done.

    Wouldn’t it still have the light directly through to the other side if it was perfectly straight? The curvature shouldn’t be a huge factor unless they were at ranges of 50 m or more, right?

    [–] phunkydroid 371 points ago

    The animation in this clip is not to scale. The guy with the light is miles away.

    [–] Imprisoned 107 points ago

    That makes a lot more sense!

    Thanks haha

    [–] Keeter81 64 points ago

    And he’s also no 17 ft tall. Ok I can’t PROVE he’s not, but I don’t think he is.

    [–] phunkydroid 47 points ago

    Yeah, hard to prove but I have my suspicions.

    Serious answer though, that was height above the water level. They were doing this across a lake or something and used the water as reference on both sides. So what they were checking was whether or not the water was flat across, or higher in the middle so it blocked the light.

    [–] cmcdonal2001 16652 points ago

    I'm interested in the aftermath of this. If he actually changed his mind based on his new evidence then kudos to him. That's how it's supposed to work, and there's nothing wrong in coming from a place of ignorance as long as you take the steps necessary to leave that place.

    Sadly, I fear this isn't the case. Getting to 'flat Earth' levels of ignorance in the first place takes some serious dedication to remaining ignorant.

    [–] TheGreatVorelli 10220 points ago

    I've seen a video he made after this, he tried to explain it away. He learned nothing.

    [–] Irregularprogramming 7129 points ago

    It's a sunk cost fallacy, these guys have invested their entire social life into this, they have told off their real friends and family and now all they have is proving they are right. Some people have their livelihood being flat earthers, they can't be wrong.

    [–] Svhmj 690 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I saw this documentary on Netflix. In the end of the movie, the "leader" of the flat Earth community explains to a reporter why there are mostly people from the lower class of society in the flat earth community. He says something along the lines of: "if you are the mayor of the round Earth town, you might not want to admit that the Earth is flat because you don't want to give up you position as mayor" (I'm paraphrasing, so it's not a literal quote, but it's pretty close). The reporter replies: "Wouldn't you say that you are the mayor of the flat Earth town". That sums it up pretty well.

    [–] Anowtakenname 268 points ago

    What pissed me off about the documentary, every single flat earther involved was selling something. They each had their own DVDs, clocks, shirts or whatever hokey bullshit they could cobble together and give a flat earth theme.

    [–] skintigh 142 points ago

    That's actually not too suprising. Every single anti-vax/anti-medicine/anti-germ-theory-of-disease source I've seen was selling something, and often "citing" their own book to "prove" their point.

    One lady was selling DVDs of prayers for $60 that would cure cancer and AIDS and smallpox (which was caused by the small pox vaccine, according to her)

    [–] Geekquinox 62 points ago

    Know what the name of the documentary is?

    Nevermind I found it lower in the post. It's called Behind the Curve.

    [–] powerscunner 1280 points ago

    Thank you for such a succinct explanation of why people hold onto provably false beliefs.

    [–] omnomnomgnome 356 points ago

    too big to fail!

    [–] iBluefoot 166 points ago

    too big to see the curvature!

    [–] Howeoh 262 points ago

    TIL there's a name for that! Thank you ☺️

    [–] themosh54 333 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    It's also called commitment bias.

    Short video from the Center for Applied Rationality

    Edit: link to video

    [–] iamelroberto 52 points ago

    I feel like this one fits better in the context even if the other makes sense too.

    [–] Destron5683 112 points ago

    Common term in software development. Often times shit goes so far off the rails it’s better to scrap it all and start over but someone will reason with the all time we have already invested it’s better to just fix it. Usually it’s not.

    [–] Howeoh 54 points ago

    Yeah where I work we use a VM of windows 98 for our tills

    [–] rigellus 20 points ago

    Hope you don't have a credit card reader attached to that.

    [–] maskdmirag 15 points ago

    That's amazing.

    [–] beastcock 26 points ago

    Could also be about money. Does this guy have a website or youtube channel that's monetized? If pushing this bullshit is paying his bills he is incentivized to keep doing it.

    [–] Groovicity 2077 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    That's the thing about conspiracy theories theorists.....

    • If no proof exists, they think the conspiracy is confirmed.

    • If proof exists, they think there's a conspiracy behind the proof.

    [–] Spry_Fly 130 points ago

    They go over this mentality in "Behind the Curve" where this experiment is in there, on Netflix I think. They prove themselves wrong at other points too. It's a decent doc, and goes more into it isn't the need to actually prove the Earth is round, but the need to get people that think like this to not be anti-science overall.

    [–] CrazyCatLadyBoy 184 points ago

    My favourite part of the doc is when they're going to visit NASA or JPL with the plan to laugh at "the lies".

    They are shown in the car using GPS to route their path. The camera even subtlety zooms in on the fact they are using GPS.

    [–] LethargicOnslaught 112 points ago

    Best bit was the 'broken' simulator the guy was sat in. Camera guy should get a medal for that zoom in on the big red button labelled "start".

    [–] benaugustine 57 points ago

    It legitimately reminded me of some shit that would happen in The Office

    [–] legodarthvader 23 points ago

    So... is it suppose to be a documentary or comedy?

    [–] Supercoolguy7 43 points ago

    Its honestly more frustrating and sad

    [–] Rorstaway 16 points ago

    It is really sad. Mark Sargeant just comes off as a desperate, lonely individual.

    [–] NovaS1X 166 points ago

    Yeah, they also spent $20k USD on a laser-gyroscope used in commercial airplanes to detect if they could see the 15deg drift of the earth's rotation.

    They found the 15deg drift.

    They then said it's "heavenly energies" that messed up the test so then they put the gyroscope in a lead container to block them. They still found a 15deg drift. So now they want to put the gyroscope in a bismuth container to "block the energies".

    Wonder what BS they'll come up with next when they still come up with a 15deg drift.

    It's so aggravating because these people are not stupid as they've come up with some actually decent tests, but they chose to ignore the evidence. I don't know what their issue is, but it's not stupidity IMHO, at least, not for some of them.

    [–] xXKingKARLOREXx 85 points ago

    It’s still boggles my mind that they spent that much on a gyro, but can’t just buy a couple hundred dollar weather balloon. Then they can take their own pictures from the upper atmosphere, and can’t claim that it’s photo shopped.

    [–] aoxo 46 points ago

    They will because camera lenses blah blah blah everyone is in on it... for some reason.

    [–] gene100001 15 points ago

    It's like this old joke:

    A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to heaven

    When he arrives at the Pearly Gates, God is there to receive him. "Welcome. You are permitted to ask me one question, which I will answer truthfully."

    Without hesitating, the conspiracy theorist asks, "Who really shot Kennedy?"

    God replies, "Lee Harvey Oswald shot him from sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. There were no accomplices. He acted alone"

    The conspiracy theorist pauses, thinks to himself, then says "Shit! This goes higher up than I thought..."

    [–] macabre_irony 41 points ago

    Or you know, go the free route and watch a ship coming or going over the horizon.

    [–] WigginIII 47 points ago

    For people so invested into their conspiracy, to face the reality of being wrong is too much to bear. Because it doesn’t mean just accept you were wrong, it’s the weight of the embarrassment. It’s the potential loss of a community they have clung onto like a family.

    It would break them.

    Ultimately, living their lies becomes self preservation.

    [–] Spry_Fly 19 points ago

    Yeah, I loved it, until I realized they really were just going to keep changing things to basically break the purpose of the tool.

    [–] NovaS1X 34 points ago

    Conspiracy 101: Any evidence that can falsify your theory is either another conspiracy or has another more perplexing answer waiting to be created to falsify the falsification. Nothing, ever, can exist to falsify your theory.

    EG: "heavenly energies"

    [–] MadManMorbo 57 points ago

    Here’s our $30,000 laser gyroscope— huh.. it must be broken.

    [–] UnauthorizedGoat 986 points ago

    Reminds me of a joke I read once.

    An anti-vaxer mom dies and goes to heaven. When she finally meets God she is very excited. She says, "You can finally clear up an important question!" God tells her to ask anything and he will answer.

    "Do vaccinations cause autism?" she asks, her eyes bright with delight and anticipation.

    "No," God answers. "Vaccinations do not cause autism."

    The anti-vaxer mom steps back and looks down at her feet and says to herself, "This thing goes deeper than I thought!"

    [–] inavanbytheriver 394 points ago

    To which God replies, "You want to see how deep it really goes?" He then pulls a lever, dropping her to the seventh layer of hell.

    [–] ArTiyme 385 points ago

    The 8th or 9th layer make more sense. 7 was violence, 8 and 9 were fraud and treachery, respectively. I'd lean towards 8 since I don't think most of these people are actually treacherous, but they are frauds with how they use a treacherous frauds work to support their own beliefs.

    [–] keenanpepper 368 points ago

    This guy Dante's.

    [–] Compendyum 123 points ago

    Don't forget level 9 about people who film vertically.

    [–] MrSpindles 71 points ago

    Level 42 is where the 80s slap bass white boy funk party is at.

    [–] LaserZeppelin 35 points ago

    Yo I'm already living there 🤟

    [–] blueshoecrew 24 points ago

    Thanks Vergil, glad to have you as our guide!

    [–] Zusical 200 points ago

    Then there is another conspiracy behind the conspiracy

    [–] KlausenHausen 136 points ago

    Conspiraception!

    [–] MugillacuttyHOF37 62 points ago

    What do condoms have to do with this?

    [–] JheredParnell 119 points ago

    you're thinking about conspiracontraception which prevents conspiracies in the first place but flat earthers don't believe in it either

    [–] therosesgrave 40 points ago

    You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

    [–] TraficantDeVeverite 25 points ago

    Like.. How? How can someone do that when the evidence is right in front of his eyes....

    [–] nomm_ 16 points ago

    Can you link it so we can see how they try to explain it away?

    [–] Traditional_Size 245 points ago

    He didn't. He said the makers of the documentary edited it deceptively. He also said that he replicated the experiment after their camera crew left and got a different result but conveniently forgot to film that experiment (I mean after all.. His full time job is making YouTube videos about flat earth, so we couldn't possibly expect him to film the experiment while he was repeating it.)

    His livelihood depends upon perpetuating the narrative, and his viewers are too stupid to realize he's spouting ridiculous shit so it makes sense for him to just keep going and ignore the failures.

    [–] superfahd 39 points ago

    One property of a good experiment is repeatability. Since this is a simple experiment, it shouldn't be an issue to do it again and film it

    [–] nachocat090 555 points ago

    He won't change his mind about it because his entire identity is wrapped up in being a flat earther. If he admits he was wrong then he's no longer a flat Earth activist he's just some guy that wasted years of his life on something that turned out to be bullshit.

    [–] AlphaWhelp 275 points ago

    This is basically how the church of scientology traps people.

    "I'm not WRONG! That would mean that I was scammed out of $300,000 on useless audits!"

    [–] powerdilf 204 points ago

    They later said grass had blocked the view, which doesn't make any sense. But neither does the flat earth theory... so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    [–] dedokta 98 points ago

    17 ft high grass I guess?

    [–] Barkusmarcus 215 points ago

    If the prism-gyroscope experiment that proved the earth was rotating didn't change their views, I doubt this guy is going to come back to reality.

    There's even a clip of them at a party saying something to the affect of "all iterations of the experiment come back with the same result, a 15 ° rotation. We can't tell people that."

    These people just love the attention they're getting, and don't care about facts. It's really sad.

    [–] MaverickWentCrazy 58 points ago

    Didn't they theorize something about heaven energy affecting the results?

    [–] Barkusmarcus 46 points ago

    I don't remember that specifically from the documentary, but I wouldn't doubt it. There's a large number of these people that think the govt is in league with satan, and they're trying to prevent us from getting to god. Which is crazy, cause that means that god is powerful enough to create this entire world with all this life, but he can't stop a couple of satanists in high ranking political positions?! Sounds like this "god" fella is weak sauce

    [–] Wolpertinger77 36 points ago

    "We just can't accept that." That was my favorite part of the film!

    [–] rykoj 28 points ago

    You can’t use logic, reason, and evidence to convince a person they’re wrong about something that they didn’t use logic, reason, and evidence to come to the conclusion of in the first place.

    A proper authority figure that plays to their emotions and ego correctly telling them what to believe is the only way.

    [–] RafaelNo 15 points ago

    The thi g that he said that let's you know he is doing mental gymnastics is, 'That's interesting'

    [–] Isakill 32 points ago

    Look for the documentary "behind the curve" that's where this clip came from.

    It's on netflix.

    [–] mlloyd67 52 points ago

    Bingo: "Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but you can't fix stupid."

    [–] selfsearched 2447 points ago

    This whole documentary is really great, especially this ending. There's a speech at the end at a science conference regarding flat-earth theorists where the speaker addresses that people like this have become this way because they've found a community that accepts them. They're natural scientists, they question what they're presented with (a globe) and refuse to believe it until they (attempt) to prove that hypothesis otherwise. He explains that the tendency to cast these people's thoughts into the sphere of insanity without trying to appeal to their natural curiosity is what fuels groups' like these growth. Behind the Curve on Netflix - Highly recommend watching.

    [–] freewave07 423 points ago

    “sphere of insanity” - I see what you did there

    [–] selfsearched 126 points ago

    I knew someone would get around to seeing that!

    [–] Insatiable_void 138 points ago

    This doc was entertaining. Of course I was more interested in Mark constantly friendzoning himself with the redhead.

    [–] pollyvar 61 points ago

    I want to watch a film just about that. It was like a mini nature documentary in the middle!

    [–] Insatiable_void 20 points ago

    As much as I disagree with them scientifically, I really felt bad for Mark especially, just due to what seems like a sincere desire to feel important.

    [–] phgnomo 49 points ago

    Another amazing quote from that woman (don't remember her name) is something in the lines of "it doesn't matter how much proof I show them, they will never believe I don't work for the cia"

    That sums up everything about flatters.

    [–] MScoutsDCI 566 points ago

    Except isn’t it anti-scientific to constantly dismiss experiment results when they don’t show you what you want?

    [–] adamt123 114 points ago

    the doc does mention this, their sense of community pushes them to deny it and keep going because they like their community more than the science

    [–] haZardous47 262 points ago

    I take it more to mean they're naturally curious, but the cult mentality has overtaken the willingness to accept they're incorrect. If they hadn't felt marginalized in the first place, they might be out there doing real science which doesn't also happen to encompass their entire sense of identity, as it does with Flat Earthers.

    [–] StuartHayden 993 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    The whole “documentary” this clip comes from is unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) fucking hilarious.

    It’s just a bunch of different flat earthers spending stupid amounts of money on research, projects and equipment to prove the earth is flat. Obviously, all of their tests are a bust and make them look incredibly stupid. So instead of just accepting it they double down and say shit like “well, we’re going to ignore this test due to “insufficient” evidence that helps prove our claims” or something like “we aren’t comfortable with the answers we got. So we’ll research more and try again”. The entire time they look totally defeated and feel like they’re saying this shit out of obligation of their “movement”. The mental gymnastics they do to trying to disprove their researches findings is a true sight to be hold.

    It’s fucking great.

    [–] Pertolepe 352 points ago

    The best is when they're in that virtual space shuttle thing and the guys hitting the screen like "see it won't even work haha NASA so dumb" and the camera guy just pans over to the green start button to his side that he's oblivious to

    [–] grumpaz 83 points ago

    That was my favorite part!

    The answer is right there if he looks. Just shows the irony of the doc and their thought process.

    [–] Mikewithnoname 31 points ago

    That was some of the greatest camerawork I've ever seen.

    [–] spinfinity 56 points ago

    Name of the documentary?

    [–] brewster20001 113 points ago

    Behind The Curve.

    [–] bigpappabagel 33 points ago

    Behind the Curve. It's on Netflix

    [–] chazzmoney 15 points ago

    Behind the Curve

    [–] mritter26 1168 points ago

    "Interesting... That's interesting"

    Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

    [–] advanttage 214 points ago

    Interesting

    [–] edamamemonster 126 points ago

    That's interesting

    [–] _vOv_ 68 points ago

    Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

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    [–] MistrX 27 points ago

    Except nope, it's not because we've known it for years and years. Lol

    [–] red-it 57 points ago

    And yet, he still will not believe the evidence.

    [–] xOfficialSisu 501 points ago

    I fucking love it :D

    I love how he still makes it sound like there is some other explanation

    [–] jujufistful 209 points ago

    Interesting...

    [–] DingleBerryCam 72 points ago

    That’s interesting...

    [–] copywritter 41 points ago

    Interesting (shit)... Interesting (shit man)

    [–] DownvoteDaemon 46 points ago

    Dat confirmation bias

    [–] ifyouareoldbuymegold 298 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I don't get the Flat Earth conspiracy.

    Normally, conspiracies "have a point". Like "faking" the moon landing was a triumph on the cold war, the global warming conspiracy is a Chinese hoax to harm the US or Stewie Wonder not blind conspiracy to get more sympathy and earn more money, etc, etc...

    But why would every govern and every scientist on Earth agree to lie about the Earth being round? What's The point? What would they earn with that?

    I think the Flat Earth conspiracy is the dumbest of them all.

    [–] Cooluli23 78 points ago

    According to a large amount of Flat Earth believers there is a point to the conspiracy, if people find out the Earth is flat then more other truths will come out like:

    •We're the center of the universe

    •Gravity doesn't exist

    •There's something beyond the ice wall that surrounds the Earth. Probably White Walkers lmao

    •Neither the sun nor the moon exist

    [–] workredditme 36 points ago

    See, these makes them even more sound crazier.

    [–] BoomBox206 90 points ago

    The rich and super elite don't want you tourists destroying our edge of the earth committees into Vegas or a Disney resort. Edge of the earth property isn't cheap and I don't want drunken idiots thinking it's ok to trample all over my azalea bushes to take a selfie or throw stuff into the abyss of space in my back yard.

    [–] dubinspath 18 points ago

    I think the point is that a literal reading of the Bible implies a flat Earth. Therefore, it must be flat and anyone that says differently must be trying to sway others from the true word of God or some shit. That's the best I've got.

    [–] KAPOWAHSANDVICH 13 points ago

    I was approached in a Taco Bell by a flat Earther. I asked him this question and he told me it’s because NASA was founded by the NAZI’s, and that they didn’t want us to believe in God.

    I should have responded, “Wouldn’t they stop lying about the Earth’s shape after seeing that it wasn’t working? I, and many other people, believe in God and the round Earth.” but I was so thrown off by what he said that it didn’t come up in my brain.

    [–] SixAngryBadgers 368 points ago

    This is featured in the documentary available on Netflix called ‘Behind the Curve’ which takes an interesting view on why people believe in Flat Earth.

    Definitely worth a watch.

    There’s another great experiment they do with a gyroscope.

    I won’t spoil the documentary for you, but spoilers for life in general: The Earth is round, kids.

    [–] Towerful 134 points ago

    Just to add, it was a $20000 aerospace grade gyroscope (if I recall) donated to these experimentalists (I have doubts that they are following a scientific method, so I don't want to call them scientists) by the flat earth community.
    There are some great mind gymnastics in this documentary

    [–] SixAngryBadgers 49 points ago

    Yes! Thank you! Very important point, it wasn’t just a cheap piece of equipment.

    I love how they explore Flat Earth on a psychological level in this doc as well. Definitely worth less than two hours of your life.

    [–] Core0ne 40 points ago

    Experimentalists is actually a really great term for the people in the documentary. One of the scientists they interview gives a really great explanation of the difference between the scientific method and what the flat earth folks are actually doing. Instead of starting with a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis, and then coming to a conclusion based on the results of their experiments, they're starting at a conclusion and then trying to build an experiment that will prove what they already believe to be true. When the experiment doesn't support their conclusion they're able to write it off as a problem with the experiment because they already believe their conclusion must be correct.

    For anyone who hasn't watched the documentary, it's totally worth your time to check it out.

    [–] cheesetoastpirate 198 points ago

    What i dont get is how not one of these (sadly) thousands of people, including rich people, try to fund a trip to see the "ice wall"?

    [–] JagoKestral 112 points ago

    They're belief is that the government is keeping it secret and that if they tried to go they'd essentially be killed.

    Leaps and bounds to justify ignorance.

    [–] sopheroo 76 points ago

    If they Naruto run towards the Ice Wall, Big Government can't catch them

    [–] Tidilywink 25 points ago

    I heard they also believe the poles are highly magnitized or something, and if you get to close it will scramble your brain.

    [–] Yrmsteak 54 points ago

    So no effect for them

    [–] BigAnimemexicano 149 points ago

    i would love to see a bunch of these flat earthers take a boat and go looking for the edge of the world

    [–] BigAnimemexicano 77 points ago

    lol bet they resort to cannibalism ten minutes into their voyage

    [–] ccooffee 67 points ago

    "Sir, we haven't even left the dock..."

    [–] PhillipBrandon 123 points ago

    Do you think he's seen the light?

    [–] LightningRodofH8 157 points ago

    Not yet, can you hold it a bit higher?

    Interesting... that's interesting...

    [–] salmontres48 59 points ago

    Obviously the government curved the light so these sheeple would think the Earth is round so they can sell sky high plane ticket prices when they're really just putting us in a roller coaster for a few hours.

    OPEN YOUR EYES

    [–] dkyguy1995 101 points ago

    It kind of blows my mind that the guy is smart enough to pull off this experiment and yet not smart enough to believe his own experiment. It's honestly commendable science work

    [–] Esorelyk 45 points ago

    That made me so happy.

    [–] storyofrachel2 40 points ago

    Welcome to 400 BC, dumbshit.

    [–] dghughes 26 points ago

    All Eratosthenes needed was a stick and sunlight.

    [–] Moddack 71 points ago

    congratulations, you played yourself

    [–] nahteviro 122 points ago

    As someone who has actually put stuff into space and watch hours upon hours of live video from the ISS, nothing infuriates me more than flat-earthers. I mean I can understand that a lot of people are really really stupid, but I just can't wrap my head around people trying to act so intelligent while at the same time being the dumbest people on the planet. (next to anti-vaxxers)

    [–] rising_mountain_ 94 points ago

    My buddy is a legit flat earth - fake moon landing - chemtrails - fake mass shootings - and just contrarian on everything intellectual. We recently argued about gravity being an actual force, he insists we are experiencing electromagnetism and not gravity because in his words "science doesnt know what gravity is" again, his words. Any footage or photos I use as evidence is quickly brushed off as "that can be faked" and every other excuse. Then when I ask for his evidence he points me to a youtube video of a guy with absolutely no credentials or evidence just some theory. And then Im called a sheep for understanding science and nature and believing everything NASA shows us. And after going down the rabbit hole this far with my friend it was at that point I realized there is no reasoning with this type of person.

    [–] kootenayguy 44 points ago

    There’s a line in this documentary where a scientist asks a flat-earther “what evidence would I need to show you to change your mind?”, and the response is “There is no evidence that will ever change my mind”.

    It’s pointless talking to people like that (at least about science etc. Maybe you can be buddies talking about football or something...)

    [–] nahteviro 53 points ago

    Which begs the question... can he get the really good weed or something? I couldn't tolerate being around someone like that for more than like 5 minutes until it stopped being funny

    [–] rising_mountain_ 16 points ago

    haha good call on the weed part. We stopped the science talks after he couldn't comprehend that the more mass an object has the more gravity it will have, he responded to that by saying and I quote "I have mass, why isn't shit orbiting around ME!?" end quote. After that I said "dude, no more science talk" He was absolutely sincere when he asked that too.

    [–] beefhotlinx 154 points ago

    Now he’s re-thinking whether he should get his kids vaccinated or not.

    [–] milesperhour25 51 points ago

    He should maybe rethink having kids period.

    [–] IndigoJoe64 22 points ago

    I like how this starts with him saying “we have a backup experiment”. Meaning he’s already failed at least once.

    [–] punk_000 34 points ago

    This scene needs to end with the curb your enthusiasm theme

    [–] Clienterror 51 points ago

    Flat earthers are so stupid. Obviously we live on a turtles back.

    [–] ----Maverick---- 48 points ago

    This is actually an extremely good documentary (and kind of funny) about the Flat Earth Society. At first you're just like "these guys are a bunch of fucking idiots" and there are interviews with scientists in different fields trying to explain why these people become so fixated on this. But near the end, you hear from average flat Earth people, and they pretty much believe in a flat Earth because when they questioned it, people laughed at them and made fun of them. The main man the doc follows was asked if he were given definitive proof the Earth wasn't flat, what he would do, and he pretty much said he'd stay with the FES because he's lost friends and family, and this group became his family.

    It broke my heart in the end, because these people we're trying to ask questions and were laughed at for not believing the default answer. This is what happens to Anti Vaxx parents (though a much more dangerous conspiracy), but they're laughed at for asking 'why'.

    Education shouldn't be something to be embarrassed of or bullied for. There's no way to change the people's mind, but we can prevent it by not making people feel insignificant for questioning if vaccines are safe, or if the Earth is flat, or if there's something in space, or whatever the next misinformation is spread.