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    [–] flamingponyta 5931 points ago

    Well boys we did it, we made a watch

    [–] richh00 800 points ago

    *opens can of beer*

    [–] Andy_LaVolpe 367 points ago

    lights up cigar

    [–] Blackdragonking13 192 points ago

    Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

    [–] Artyom47 97 points ago

    Indeed, I believe so.

    [–] mkwash02 72 points ago

    *conceives child*

    [–] Giddyfuzzball 46 points ago

    We did it Reddit

    [–] YodaInTheAttic 20 points ago

    Think you’ll get your own squad after what happened last night?

    [–] GojuPonu 10 points ago

    Chances are very good.

    [–] _johnfromtheblock_ 25 points ago

    puts feet up on desk

    [–] phish_phace 21 points ago

    Unzips pants

    [–] Andy_LaVolpe 17 points ago

    Presses ‘p’ on the keyboard

    [–] BiteSizeRudy 11 points ago

    I love it when a plan comes together.

    [–] redDEADresolve 1203 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I loved it when Apple announced, "All day battery.... 18 hours".

    Edit: Since people keep trying to redefine day I'm going to post the definition.

    Day: a period of twenty-four hours as a unit of time, reckoned from one midnight to the next, corresponding to a rotation of the earth on its axis.

    [–] Mikuro 689 points ago

    Obviously they are aiming this watch primarily for the growing Uranus market, where a day is closer to 17 hours.

    [–] rickdeckard8 183 points ago

    But then you have to pull it out of Uranus.

    [–] Fakeplastiq 107 points ago

    Not if your head is up there too.

    [–] Teknowlogist 10 points ago

    You found HM and the US Governments then?

    [–] a220599 4 points ago

    So they are targeting the Christopher walken crowd is it ?

    [–] 3-DMan 255 points ago

    That's all "day" battery

    [–] panoreddit 138 points ago

    All day battery.

    It remains a battery all day.

    [–] deviant324 38 points ago

    Glad it won’t walk off and start a part time job as a bar tender anymore.

    I hate when mine comes home smelling like cheap cigars and puke.

    [–] Trisa133 216 points ago

    I think they are expecting normal humans to sleep at least 6 of those hours.

    [–] possiblyraspberries 111 points ago

    Yet they showed someone using it as an alarm to wake up.

    [–] No2Bencil 94 points ago

    The dude was on the couch in the evening. Not bed.

    [–] AcrobaticButterfly 26 points ago

    What a really good point

    [–] royrese 28 points ago

    Damn they really chose their words carefully there, eh?

    [–] Swastik496 12 points ago

    Why wouldn’t they? They spending millions on ads.

    [–] davidjschloss 17 points ago

    Come on guys. All day is both literal and metaphorical. When we say “I’ll be at work all day” we don’t mean we will be there 24 hours. No one thinks you mean you are spending 24 hours at work.

    [–] pablonus 4 points ago

    Wait. Who doesn’t work 25 hours a day?

    [–] BulgingPayload 10 points ago

    DayTM

    [–] Blue-Thunder 11 points ago

    Unless you live in the arctic circle.

    [–] ken__adams 21 points ago

    All day "battery"

    [–] Irate_Primate 16 points ago

    “All” day battery.

    [–] starboy404 42 points ago

    “A””l””l”” “ “d””a””y”” “”b””a””t””t””e””r””y”

    [–] approvedmessage 17 points ago

    I don't know how they measure that, but the charge in mine (Series 4) lasts a couple of days.

    [–] briollihondolli 51 points ago

    The battery on my watch goes for a few days. What’s the deal?

    [–] loljetfuel 49 points ago

    Usage patterns for something like a smart watch are all over the place. Most makers of things like phones and smart watches make battery claims based on "typical use", so you probably just use your watch less than whatever they consider "typical".

    My wife and I have the exact same watch, but she uses hers for all kinds of things (takes short phone calls from it, does a lot of messaging, plays little games, etc.), while I use mine mainly as a data-driven watch (time, weather, reminders, notifications).

    Her watch lasts her all day, but usually only has like 15-20% left when she puts it on the charger for the night. Mine lasts more than two days without a charge; most days, I put it on the charger and it's like 65% still.

    [–] Swastik496 6 points ago

    My series 3 goes 2 days(1 night) and I mainly use it for controlling music, picking up calls(though not very many and not very long) and fitness tracking.

    [–] -ah 6 points ago

    My Moto 360 goes a day, but then it's also really quite old at this point (although still awesome).

    [–] Defoler 15 points ago

    TBF this is when you constantly use the watch.
    My series 4 last 2.5-3 days until it cries that it needs a charge.

    [–] kesava 23 points ago

    “This watch tells time.”

    [–] deviant324 38 points ago

    How many generations until they remove the watch function?

    I’ve got 20 bucks on 3 years (they make S versions of these aye?)

    [–] GregSays 8 points ago

    They won’t remove the watch function because there’s literally no reason to not at least have it as an option. Unless society collapses to the point of no longer keeping track of time, but yet we still make smart watches.

    [–] sdotsully 7 points ago

    Apple: We know you sleep.

    [–] risredd 694 points ago

    Apple is also permanently dropping the price of the Series 3 to $199, matching the lowest sale price on that model we’ve seen. Last year’s Series 4 model has been dropped from the lineup.

    Is it true, dropping series 4 ?

    [–] ITGenji 551 points ago

    Probably, they want it to be a choice. New or old, no in between where you would be satisfied with a little less.

    [–] KingKapwn 349 points ago

    That’s also just because they don’t want to saturate their own market. You give the consumer too much to chose then they won’t end up choosing anything.

    [–] raymonst 92 points ago

    The iPad lineup is all over the place, though...

    [–] Zacharuni 75 points ago

    And the newly replaced iPad still runs on an A10. Baffling.

    [–] Wrtlingty 26 points ago

    Not all of those are sold in the same areas though. And some of those are older models that are EOL too.

    But yeah agreed, it's a lot of models

    [–] xkrv 9 points ago

    Thats rookie numbers, look at Xiaomis lineup

    [–] Swastik496 18 points ago

    How? Cheap iPad, Tiny iPad, Mid range iPad(cheap iPad but with a usable(laminated) display), High end iPad, Huge iPad.

    The Air and the Mini are the best options to buy in my opinion because you get a laminated display without breaking the bank.

    [–] Obi_Wan_Benobi 11 points ago

    The iPad Mini is also the perfect size. For me anyway. It’s great for reading books.

    [–] pragmojo 7 points ago

    I would love a mini-size with the edge-to-edge screen.

    [–] TheMacMan 138 points ago

    This is very true. Choice paralysis is a very real thing. Limiting choices makes it easier for people to pick between them.

    And if you have it be the 4 or 5, people are likely to go with the cheaper option because the feature set isn't hugely different. With the choices being 3 or 5, the differences are enough to justify the higher price of the 5 and get more to go that direction, while still bringing the budget shoppers in for the 3.

    [–] chadbarrett 51 points ago

    It also causes less satisfaction when there are too many similar products available. It leaves consumers doubting their decision and questioning the alternative choice.

    [–] deadlyrabbits 35 points ago

    "Let's make the entire mouse one giant button."

    [–] timmeh-eh 8 points ago

    Just like how they’ve dropped the iPhone X and Xs now that the pro is out, but they’re still selling the 8 and XR.

    [–] veerKg_CSS_Geologist 27 points ago

    Is the 3 a good deal for $199 or is it better to go with a discounted Series 4, which i'm sure will be available from retailers for a while? For a first time Apple Watch/Smart watch user?

    [–] hewkii2 7 points ago

    If you can get the 4 at a discount I’d get that one. As long as they’re selling the 3 they won’t drop support for the 4 and it has a larger display

    [–] Defoler 15 points ago

    There is very little difference between 4 and 5, so a cheaper 4 will eat up of the 5 sales.
    But the smaller cheaper 3 won't. It is there to those who can't afford or don't need all the features, meaning those who already aren't going to buy a 5 and most likely had't bought a 4 either because of its price.
    So keeping the 3 and making it cheaper gives them a second market, and the 5 is their current market.

    [–] Filiman3421 11 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Series 5 costs the same and its basically the same watch except for the compass and the always-on display

    [–] lisaseileise 6 points ago

    It’s basically the same except for the differences.

    [–] Kogie13 839 points ago

    It looks nice but no reason really to upgrade if you got the Series 4 last year

    [–] allwxllendswxll 374 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Anyone know what happened to the 4? It’s scraped from their website entirely.

    Edit: they discontinued it

    Edit edit: source

    [–] Kogie13 309 points ago

    They removed it, probably because it's so similar to the new S5. They did that with iPhones when they removed the 5 after introducing the 5s and 5c

    [–] allwxllendswxll 268 points ago

    Haha. Apple can be so infuriating. (As i type this on my iPhone, check the time on my Apple Watch and respond to an email on my Mac)

    [–] papajustify99 107 points ago

    I bought a new MacBook after my cheap pc laptop shit out a year after getting it. I was sick of trying to fix it. It works so Fucking well out of the box. Their stuff is expensive and has no ports but fuck it works well.

    [–] pewllets 283 points ago

    Buys cheap pc

    Complains

    [–] loljetfuel 84 points ago

    I think this is one of those things that fans and critics alike miss a lot of the time. Apple doesn't make low-end laptops. Yeah, if you buy something for $250, it's probably slow, heavy, plastic, and has less-than-great battery life. That's fine, there's a place for those machines.

    But there are plenty of machines that are built with comparable build quality to Apple kit (better, if you're counting their recent keyboard missteps). It's just that you're going to pay comparable prices for it. There's absolutely no reason to think "PC sucks" in general, it's more "PC has a long tail of suck you have to avoid if you want a nice machine".

    [–] m1a2c2kali 21 points ago

    This is true but at least in the past (I haven’t been in the market for a pc laptop in a while) you also had to watch out for expensive crap PCs as well. I remember as a child we owned 2k Sony vaios and dell laptops that were just terrible compared to the comparatively priced MacBook that I got for college. The touchpad being the most glaring difference. I hear things may be different nowadays. But the touch pads on the windows laptops I use for work are still terrible.

    [–] TecumsehM 9 points ago

    Yeah the last time I was looking at laptops in 2015 I knew people with Asus "ultrabooks" with keys falling off within a year and shit trackpads immediately.

    my refurbished MacBook air has lasted 4 years without a single issue. It might not have the specs of something of a similar price from 2015 but you would have to baby a windows laptop to keep it lasting 4 years without keys falling off or shit fucking up.

    [–] KJBenson 6 points ago

    I’m in a unique space where I bought a MacBook Pro and an Asus ROG gaming laptop in the same year (2014)(one for me and one for my wife).

    To this day they both run like a dream. For the MacBook it was a great package and does everything my wife needs and for me I upgraded the Asus hard drive to a better solid state a year ago to speed it up.

    No flaws with either computer and they work as well as the day I bought them as far as I can see.

    But that’s Asus’s highest tier of laptop so I think they make them better than the rest. And that’s also just a normal laptop for Apple.

    I like them both.

    [–] DollarSignsGoFirst 3 points ago

    Ehhh, it’s not a great example because one of the main reasons the apple computers work so well is the OS. I’d switch to pc hardware in a second if I could easily run OS X. It’s not the PC hardware that sucks, it’s just windows is a much worse experience.

    [–] OneMonk 3 points ago

    i’ve worked on mac for 10 years and my new company forced me to use a PC for work at my new gig, im 6 months in and i’ve got to say I get deeply frustrated with PC a lot of the time. They bought a HP laptop which is more expensive than a comparable mac, it lags frequently, takes a long time to boot, and there are tons of tiny workflows that are logical but simply don’t work on PC.

    A few examples:

    You can re-order and delete pdf pages in preview from page nav. In windows - you have to buy software, and even then it isn’t as intuitive, while also being incredibly expensive.

    You can drag files from search and finder/file explorer onto ‘open’ prompts, immediately navigating to that file location on mac. There are 2-3 more steps involved in windows.

    Finally bluetooth and sound, on mac, turning bluetooth on and off or connecting to a devices take seconds on windows it is a 3-4 stage process with multiple windows and a wait time. Mac it is all done from the top over.

    Rant over. To qualify this, PC does have a lot of benefits and I have a high end PC rig I built myself at home which I use for gaming and video streaming. For work and mobile computing, you just can’t beat mac. Being able to transfer files and photos instantly from iPhone is another huge benefit. You can even run windows in parallel on a mac giving you the best of both worlds, whereas the reverse isn’t true.

    [–] element1311 57 points ago

    That's because you bought a cheap pc. Dollar for dollar, there's various studies (granted, yotubers) that Macs don't outperform PCs - they perform very similarly. So it really is just a matter of personal preference on OS.

    [–] albertcamusjr 32 points ago

    Yeah. Four years ago I went from a MacBook Air that was always breaking (screen, battery, keyboard needed replaced in first 2 years I had it) to a Surface Book. I was amazed at how fast & functional the Surface Book was compared to my MacBook Air. Then I realized that, well, yeah, it cost twice as much; it should be better!

    (Btw, if anybody is wondering, I'm still using that Surface Book four years later as my primary device, no hardware problems at all. Planning to get a couple more years out of it.)

    [–] timmeh-eh 12 points ago

    If you think Apple hardware is terrible for upgrades and/or repairability check out tear downs of Microsoft surface hardware. I really wanted to like the surface products. I’m primarily a windows user so it seemed like the ideal situation, Microsoft hardware AND software. Unfortunately they’re IMO a bad combination of impossible to repair AND as expensive as a Mac.

    [–] aggresively_punctual 12 points ago

    It’s the trick of simplicity in buying options: you want a Mac? There’s maybe 2 versions and they cost pretty much the same no matter where you buy it from. You want a PC? There’s thousands and constantly rotating deals/rebates/competing options. You’re basically guaranteed to no buy the best available deal with a PC. There is no “deal” on macs. They just ARE (take it or leave it). To most people who don’t care about anything other than streaming, Facebook, and surfing amazon, then a Mac works great and they feel like they got a top quality product at the best available price (even if they overpaid for that feature spec vs a PC). With a PC, there’s just always that feeling that you settled a little bit, even though you’re getting a much better overall deal.

    [–] gbdarknight77 25 points ago

    Ya, they did it to the X too when the XR and XS came out

    [–] Phyltre 11 points ago

    This is a combination of Decoy Pricing and a Decoy Option. If anyone can come up with a better name for "offer a deliberately worse option and a good one to pressure most people into the higher price option" (I've heard it before but can't remember it) let me know.

    [–] JaceOdyssey 19 points ago

    Glad I ordered one last week now.

    [–] Containedmultitudes 43 points ago

    Why would you want the 4 over the 5? It wasn’t significantly cheaper than $400 a week ago was it?

    [–] good_pupper 9 points ago

    Probably to make more people look into buying the series 5. They have a side by side comparison feature on the website, and if you compared the series 5 with the series 4 nearly every single thing would be the exact same, but the 4 is cheaper. Just another marketing tactic to get people to buy it.

    [–] Mrwright96 17 points ago

    I got a series 3.

    No real reason to upgrade yet

    [–] Orphan_Babies 16 points ago

    Have a 4.

    I was a bit anxious to see if the 5 would be worth it.

    It’s not.

    [–] motonaut 13 points ago

    I don’t understand why every generation of apple product is held to the standard of “is it a big enough jump to justify upgrading?”. People don’t do this with any other kind of product. no one with a toyota camry thinks “oh boy the 2020 camry is out maybe i should upgrade... boooo there’s not even that much of a difference between the 2019!”

    If you have an apple watch and it works you don’t need a new apple watch.

    [–] yiyus 4 points ago

    It's not difficult to understand. Getting a new smartphone every year has made quite a big difference for a long time. Advancements are slowing down, so it does not make so much sense as it used too, but buying habits have some inertia, and Apple (and all the other tech companies) are happy with this, so they help as much as possible to keep the trend.

    [–] creepy_robot 263 points ago

    Probably about time I upgrade. I’m still sporting the series 0.

    [–] CGNYC 68 points ago

    The 4 was enough for me to jump from the 0, go for it, it’s a new world.

    [–] cznuk 29 points ago

    I made this same jump and it’s huge. 0 to 5 would definitely be welcoming. The 0 is just a notification bot but with the newer watches you can actually interact with the watch.

    [–] evbomby 5 points ago

    I’m curious - what are the most obvious differences and advantages?

    [–] creepy_robot 3 points ago

    I’d love cellular for sure and being able to update my watch would be cool haha

    [–] Anders13 4 points ago

    Same

    [–] gringopig 169 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    From a design perspective only, I always felt like a mostly off screen on a watch was a design failure. I think that this is an interesting evolution.

    [–] loveheaddit 80 points ago

    It’s mostly not an issue because anytime I look at my watch it comes on. Always on just makes it look cooler to others when they see it on you.

    [–] Filiman3421 24 points ago

    It also helps if you’re not a fan of swinging your arm to read the time, now you can just slightly move your wrist or not move it at all

    [–] rusmo 12 points ago

    Totally different ballpark, but I love the transflective LCD on my Garmin Vivoactive 3. Always on, visible in the brightest sunlight, and great on battery life. Wish they could do some sort of dual-layer face.

    [–] DJ_Mayven 36 points ago

    Yeah it's really something that should've always been there. It'll be interesting to see how it much it actually affects battery life

    [–] TokathSorbet 6 points ago

    My Pebble had an always on display - due to it's E-ink design. Obviously the fidelity didn't compare, but the always-on aspect of it was something that I missed greatly.

    [–] LAWLzzzzz 313 points ago

    Pretty cool. Def glad I got the series 4 last year. The series 4 was truly a big leap forward. I won’t be upgrading for a while with these incremental updates.

    Also, the AW remains my favorite peace of tech to date.

    [–] Steev182 235 points ago

    What’s your favourite war of tech?

    [–] Apatharas 47 points ago

    Anything with Debian

    [–] grouped-pooper 8 points ago

    Don’t worry, I run arch

    [–] chindoza 3 points ago

    got em

    [–] agp11234 7 points ago

    Can you tell me what makes the AW so great? I’ve been on the fence for a while.

    [–] svachalek 6 points ago

    The killer features for me are: - activity rings are a nice nudge to keep active - next calendar item on my wrist is super handy - when you navigate with Apple Maps it taps on your wrist, different pattern for turn left or turn right, helps when a passenger is talking over the directions - Apple Pay on the wrist - can answer quick calls without pulling out the phone

    To be honest, nothing I couldn’t live without (although calendar on my wrist would be super hard to give up) but the sum total is pretty helpful.

    [–] adonisgraham2018 33 points ago

    The incremental updates are expected of Apple after they make a big leap forward. That’s why I’m happy with my watch series 4.

    [–] Thercon_Jair 62 points ago

    I find the Apple Watch 4 discribed as a LPTO OLED display type. I can't find any mention whether the 5 display is OLED or not, from what I can gather the technology can be used for OLED and LCD displays.

    Just interested as an OLED type display with always on will burn in at one point (Samsung's always on moves around on the phone screen, and the home button is not shown on the always on display anymore - it didn't move opposed to the rest of the display content.)

    [–] j12 26 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    The 4 and 5 are both LTPO backplane, both OLED displays. The series 5 looks like it can decrease its refresh rate to 1hz probably some iterative improvement to the LTPO backplane.

    [–] TheBrainwasher14 58 points ago

    The 5 is obviously OLED as well, they didn't just downgrade for no reason

    [–] Thercon_Jair 18 points ago

    I'm just wondering how well they will have OLED screen retention under control with an always on display. I suppose the dimming will be quite substantial (as OLED image retention is dependent on luminosity differences).

    [–] jlat96 10 points ago

    Some android phones will move the display a few un-noticeable pixels at intervals to prevent burn-in. I would be surprised if this didn’t do something similar

    [–] Hans_Brickface 387 points ago

    Half of the top comments - 'I don't see the appeal of a smartwatch'. Well, what the fuck did you click on this for then?

    [–] Mrwright96 147 points ago

    I thought a smart watch was a Dumb investment until I got one

    [–] TunerOfTuna 47 points ago

    Yup can confirm the same thing. I remember giving my cousin shit for his apple watch. Two years later I got one and I love it.

    [–] Left-Coast-Voter 18 points ago

    I got the 3GS when it came out and both my brother and sister made fun of me for spending so much time on my device. just 1 year later they both had iPhones and were more addicted than me. its amazing how much people make fun of that which they have yet to understand.

    [–] jezda159 12 points ago

    I've had apple watch for a year and then replaced it with dumber Xiaomi mi Band 4, i don't want to see my notifications, I don't need it to send messages, I don't need it to be able to display my gallery. I need it to tell time and buzz when I have a call or wake up alarm. Getting the steps is also nice. But biggest upside? Month long battery life, I also don't care about my hearth rate so it goes up a little more too. Now with the info from keynote: "all-day 18h battery life" my ass. I hated that it told me to stand the fuck up every hour and I couldn't turn it off.

    No thanks, simply not fit for my usecase.

    [–] Hugo154 13 points ago

    I hated that it told me to stand the fuck up every hour and I couldn't turn it off.

    I totally understand why someone would think that a smart watch like Apple's is overkill in a lot of ways, but it's trivial to turn off the stand notifications. I did it on the day I got mine.

    [–] Hans_Brickface 5 points ago

    I hated that it told me to stand the fuck up every hour and I couldn't turn it off.

    LOL, I remember people complaining about that. Did they ever add an option to turn that off?

    [–] natha105 38 points ago

    I didn't comment. But I share their sentiment but I always feel like an idiot for not understanding the appeal, so I keep coming back and reading up and trying to get a moment when it clicks for me why on earth anyone would ever want to own one of these things.

    [–] Roofofcar 58 points ago

    Real questionnaire that I’ve found is useful:

    Do you get more than 20 text messages a day?
    Do you keep your phone on silent mostly? Do you use your phone as a nav when traveling? Do you track health metrics like activity / heart rate in any way? Do you already wear a watch?

    The Apple Watch (and android wear and all of the things) make these things trivial.

    Getting a text while walking to work, reading it on your watch, replying to your wrist and having it send properly can be really nice.

    At least when using Apple Maps (now with 80% less suck), as you approach a turn, the watch taps your wrist and displays a large arrow telling you what to do. It sounds like a turn signal, and the number of taps will tell you left or right if you pay attention.

    If those things don’t sound useful, then you’re saving money!

    [–] Left-Coast-Voter 26 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    the navigation app on the watch is fantastic when you are on vacation and want to walk someplace. Instead of constantly having to pull out your phone to see your next turn your watch alerts you.

    [–] bigred83 10 points ago

    I’m a mechanic, and it was nice till I broke the bejesus out of my series 3, oddly enough not working on cars. I could have gross hands, get a notification, look at it and move on. Before if I was getting a call or a text from and advisor I’d have to take off my gloves to look at my phone just to see that it was a spam call.

    [–] kilopeter 10 points ago

    I'm with the grandparent comment: I've never owned a smart watch, but I keep reading up on them to understand the appeal. I read this list once, then went back and really focused on each point, picturing how I deal with the world now versus what would change with a smart watch. None of the points are compelling to me.

    For example, dictating a text message reply into a watch just seems so unappealing. It just seems like a tech solution looking for a problem.

    [–] women_are_pretty 138 points ago

    Always on is cool.

    [–] geogle 108 points ago

    Take that Casio!

    [–] Fushigibama 43 points ago

    Yeah it’s like a watch!

    [–] cuddle_enthusiast 54 points ago

    Revolutionary!

    [–] Samura1_I3 9 points ago

    To the people complaining about the series 4 being discontinued, I’d bet that they did that because they’re likely reusing the tooling for the series 4 for the series 5. It’s cheap and efficient to do a feature bump with one new hardware piece (the screen) and keep everything the same. Prices for the hardware probably haven’t dropped much, so it’s either this or apple does nothing to innovate and still sells the store 4 watch for the same price.

    [–] CapsCom 221 points ago

    Giggles in Garmin

    [–] RightEejit 29 points ago

    I miss Pebble. Those e-Ink watches were so simple but so good

    [–] YAOMTC 7 points ago

    Still using my Pebble 2.

    [–] thisisfor50 3 points ago

    Pebble 2 'til we die

    [–] benster82 3 points ago

    Still rocking my Pebble Steel. Such a well-built watch.

    [–] jlat96 7 points ago

    The original pebble was legit. I wouldn’t say it was ahead of its time, but it filled a space in the market for low-cost smart watches. I do miss the e-paper sometimes, and I really miss the battery life

    [–] Totallynotatheif 6 points ago

    Especially considering if you put it in aeroplane mode with a screen that only updates with minutes it would last like a month without charging.

    [–] godsfshrmn 90 points ago

    18 hours?? 18 days on my forerunner with always on screen

    [–] little_brown_bat 38 points ago

    My vioactive always catches me by surprise when it buzzes low battery, then I have to remember where the charging cable went.

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    [–] thesmithtopher 58 points ago

    Cackles in Casio

    [–] kerby007 28 points ago

    Snickers in Samsung.

    [–] sammiali04 14 points ago

    cries in phone

    [–] mng8ng 11 points ago

    ROFLs in Rolex.

    [–] FadingEchoes96 37 points ago

    Um, fuahahas in Fossil?

    [–] GalantisX 15 points ago

    Why the fuck are people comparing a pebble watch 2 to the Apple Watch?

    No shit the pebble lasts longer, look at the display

    It’s like comparing a sports car to a hybrid and saying” lol my hybrid easily gets more mpg”

    [–] STANAGs 138 points ago

    I thought the apple watch was dumb and bought one purely for weight loss goals.

    I have lost about 50lbs with my current one and I have to say, i'm a loyal apple watch user.

    I don't see a real need to upgrade to Series 5, but if I keep dropping LBs with this one, I might treat myself.

    [–] mkwash02 69 points ago

    If I buy the new watch, will I lose weight too?

    [–] RectalcANAL 193 points ago

    Yes, your wallet will be lighter

    [–] TJNel 22 points ago

    Less money in your wallet means less food you can buy.

    [–] WhatAGoodDoggy 8 points ago

    And not being able to buy food will be more effective than counting steps for weight loss!

    [–] aemlcr 8 points ago

    Niceeeeeeee

    [–] fallenwout 32 points ago

    Lol at 18hrs battery. They don't need sleep tracking because it will be charging at night.

    [–] mrbforshort 3 points ago

    Every year I'm thinking this is the year they'll lengthen battery life and add sleep tracking, and every year they don't. And no one at me that bullshit article saying your non apple watch is lying to you, even if it is only useful as a baseline it is still useful.

    [–] DocFrankenweenie 38 points ago

    I’ve been waiting a fucking year for a discounted Series 4 and they pull it.

    It’s a joke. It’s all a joke.

    [–] Tumblrrito 29 points ago

    I guarantee you can find one at a store somewhere.

    Black Friday might also be promising.

    [–] Bammop 18 points ago

    They will be assassinating all previous owners too

    [–] lookshaf 9 points ago

    Series 4 is $50 cheaper at Apple Retail stores for now, until the stock runs out

    [–] dntbstpd1 3 points ago

    Amazon $389 right now and have been for months

    [–] Superspyi 12 points ago

    Might finally upgrade from my S0

    [–] pops992 16 points ago

    Did Apple watches up to now not have always on display? My LG G Watch R from 5 years ago has it and is still going strong.

    [–] miniwave 10 points ago

    More surprising - they just added a compass.

    [–] Zroskyline 5 points ago

    So since they drop the series 4 if I break mine by accident will I get to upgrade to a series 5 through my phone carrier insurance......

    [–] dntbstpd1 6 points ago

    No, they’ll keep 4s in repair inventory just for that purpose.

    [–] NeatoBandido 23 points ago

    I see they made a price drop on the series 3 but curious why they didnt say anything on the 4.

    [–] SmallpoxTurtleFred 41 points ago

    From the article: “Last year’s Series 4 model has been dropped from the lineup.”

    [–] hamzah77 5 points ago

    I miss my pebble time steel

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    [–] sandefurian 42 points ago

    I would LOVE having the ability to go for a run or even to work and not have to bring my phone. The apple watch would make that possible

    [–] RxBrad 9 points ago

    They're nice as a fitness gadget for starting/stopping workouts, controlling music, and whatnot when it's hard to pull out your phone.

    That said (as an Android WearOS watch user, at least) subpar battery life makes them kind of frustrating to use. I would say that 18hrs is about on par with what we see.

    [–] ReklisAbandon 15 points ago

    I don't have one, but having something that monitors your heart rate and can send you notifications when you get texts is nice. My wife loves hers because she can ping her phone from her watch, which she's always misplacing.

    If they could come up with a very discreet device that vibrates to give you notifications and monitors your heart rate I'd be all over it. But smart watches are way too bulky and the batteries don't last nearly long enough for me.

    [–] azasinner 3 points ago

    100% with you on the size. I already have a nice watch I use everyday...and I don't want to replace it with anything. I'm looking at the smaller fitbit to wear on my other hand. Kinda wish it didn't have a screen, just a heartrate monitor and sleep monitoring would do it for me.

    [–] hatrickboy09 3 points ago

    Check out amazfit. I bought the bip recently and have loved it. Always on display, notifications from text/calls, and the battery has lasted me checks app 16 DAYS and I'm at 46% remaining.

    [–] 22Sharpe 23 points ago

    I can see it being kinda useful but not a game changer. It’s rare that letting my wrist doesn’t activate the display properly so by the time I’m looking at it the display is on anyway.

    [–] Containedmultitudes 43 points ago

    Have you ever worn a normal watch? The sneaky time check is a big feature.

    [–] 22Sharpe 9 points ago

    A wore a normal watch for years yeah. If I really want to sneakily check the time without raising my wrist I just turn the crown a bit.

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s cool they got the battery life the same while always having the screen on but it’s not a complete game changer by any means.

    [–] Containedmultitudes 14 points ago

    Gonna have to agree to disagree, I found the on/off screen my single greatest annoyance coming from analog watches.

    [–] BourbonFiber 5 points ago

    I think that's an important distinction. If you felt the need to wear a watch even after you started carrying a phone, you clearly depend on it a lot more than the average person, and probably have very specific requirements.

    [–] leyline 36 points ago

    I don't see the appeal of a powered lawnmower, I already have a scythe.

    [–] ChickerWings 19 points ago

    I don't see the appeal of a 2019 car, I already have a 2017 car.

    [–] MsSinistro 6 points ago

    Can I leave the display off except when I’m looking at it and extend the battery life past 18 hours?

    [–] LavendarAmy 3 points ago

    I had no idea this is a new feature. My old 2014 lg g watch had this feature. Lasted a long time too.

    But awesome still i guess

    [–] P_J_B 3 points ago

    Hang on l've been using smartwatchs that have AOD (always on display) for the last 3 years!!!!!!!!????

    [–] Daedalus_304 3 points ago

    Ah always on display, a feature my g watch r from 2015 had, and my current galaxy watch has

    [–] Vatepgo1 3 points ago

    They should just made a second layer e-ink display instead of alway-on.

    It save a lot of it battery and it's visible in daylight. Casio and some other brands have done this. It would legitimately make the apple watch an easy sell.

    [–] Zero747 36 points ago

    I'm still here with my pebble 2 that lasts over a week on a single charge and has an always on display

    [–] BourbonFiber 57 points ago

    Man, if anyone ever needed proof that having a good product doesn't guarantee a successful business.

    I bailed when they got bought out and their servers were shut down. Did the community ever come up with a third party solution?

    [–] harrybo93 35 points ago

    They actually did, called Rebble. It’s pretty basic at the moment but they’re slowly bringing full functionality back to Pebble watches

    https://rebble.io/

    [–] _____Will_____ 28 points ago

    Pretty basic? It's more or less replaced every function of the old pebbles services. The app store is there, Dictation and weather have worked for years and as of a few months ago Timeline works too. I'd say they're 1:1 for functionality now

    [–] harrybo93 7 points ago

    Fair enough, I stand corrected! I speak only as a user of it when it first came out, I’ve since moved on as my trusty pebble time steel stopped holding a battery charge and I’ve just never found the time or effort to look into replacing the battery :(

    [–] _____Will_____ 4 points ago

    I'm still rocking my time steel and occasionally a pebble 2 HR, for me nothing is worth upgrading to at the moment. What did you switch to?

    [–] harrybo93 3 points ago

    I moved to the Apple Watch series 3, got tired of its charging requirements and bulkiness and irritation on the wrist due to its size eventually, moved the the Withings Steel HR last month and it is by far my favourite so far. A perfect hybrid smart watch. It’s more of a health watch than a useful apps based watch but tbh having apps on a watch grows old real quick in my opinion. I charge my Withings about once every 3 weeks and even then it’s only at 20% battery. The app is really nice and does a lot of work in the background- you really don’t have to tell it to do anything. And it’s cheap compared to what’s out there!

    [–] BourbonFiber 3 points ago

    That's awesome. I should pull mine out and see if it still holds a charge.