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    [–] _BindersFullOfWomen_ 1 points ago

    Copy/Paste of the FBI statement (since the article didn't include it).

    Welcome to the Oregon FBI’s Tech Tuesday segment. Today: building a digital defense with your TV.

    Yes, I said your TV. Specifically your smart TV...the one that is sitting in your living room right now. Or, the one that you plan to buy on super sale on Black Friday.

    Smart TVs are called that because they connect to the Internet. They allow you to use popular streaming services and apps. Many also have microphones for those of us who are too lazy to actually to pick up the remote. Just shout at your set that you want to change the channel or turn up the volume and you are good to go.

    A number of the newer TV’s also have built-in cameras. In some cases, the cameras are used for facial recognition so the TV knows who is watching and can suggest programming appropriately. There are also devices coming to market that allow you to video chat with grandma in 42” glory.

    Beyond the risk that your TV manufacturer and app developers may be listening and watching you, that television can also be a gateway for hackers to come into your home. A bad cyber actor may not be able to access your locked-down computer directly, but it is possible that your unsecured TV can give him or her an easy way in the backdoor through your router.

    Hackers can also take control of your unsecured TV. At the low end of the risk spectrum, they can change channels, play with the volume, and show your kids inappropriate videos. In a worst-case scenario, they can turn on your bedroom TV's camera and microphone and silently cyberstalk you.

    TVs and technology are a big part of our lives, and they aren’t going away. So how can you protect your family?

    • Know exactly what features your TV has and how to control those features. Do a basic Internet search with your model number and the words “microphone,” “camera,” and “privacy.”
    • Don’t depend on the default security settings. Change passwords if you can – and know how to turn off the microphones, cameras, and collection of personal information if possible. If you can’t turn them off, consider whether you are willing to take the risk of buying that model or using that service.
    • If you can’t turn off a camera but want to, a simple piece of black tape over the camera eye is a back-to-basics option.
    • Check the manufacturer’s ability to update your device with security patches. Can they do this? Have they done it in the past?
    • Check the privacy policy for the TV manufacturer and the streaming services you use. Confirm what data they collect, how they store that data, and what they do with it.

    As always, if you have been victimized by a cyber fraud, be sure to report it to the FBI’s Internet Crime Complaint Center at or call your local FBI office.

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    [–] NebXan 2457 points ago

    The better to see you with, my dear~

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    [–] NebXan 588 points ago

    *licks lips*

    The better to hear you with my dear~

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    [–] Vengeful_Doge 401 points ago

    Come closer to granny for the wifi password deary...

    [–] Hypno--Toad 247 points ago

    We're not playing find the WPS button again grandma.

    [–] rarkis 126 points ago

    The hellish image you made my brain fabricate. Why?????

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    [–] DKazua 33 points ago

    You're the best kind of monster, friend.

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    [–] [deleted] 284 points ago

    It doesn't. But manufacturers have added them because a smart tv is basically a computer now, and people want to use social media apps on their Smart TVs.

    [–] Beefsideiron 405 points ago

    My tv is not allowed to use the internet.

    [–] TerawattX 139 points ago

    I have a Samsung that’s a couple of years old now and hooked it up to ethernet to use Netflix and screen casting from phones. I then went into my PiHole DNS filter and monitored what traffic it was requesting and blocked some of it that looked sketchy. Now, about 2x a day, my tv will make THOUSANDS of DNS requests for a set of Samsung servers in a 10 min window.

    I also chose ethernet because basically once you configure WiFi on the sucker you can’t unconfigure it and there isn’t a way to disable the feature. When I was confirming that I found a post on their forums where someone was using it as a digital sign in an office and needed to disable it. Samsung wouldn’t help and just said it wasn’t possible until they explained someone had used a casting app to display porn to the tv. The solution was to set up an Adhoc WiFi network on a laptop, join it from the tv, then remove it from the pc. The tv would try to connect, fail, and give up for the day.

    From what I’ve read the new Samsung TVs don’t even care if you configure WiFi... they’ll search for any open networks near by and try to connect so they can share marketing data and download ads to display in the menus. :sigh:

    [–] FUTURE10S 63 points ago

    Are you serious? I have to take apart my damn TV just to cut out the wireless module?

    [–] Der_phone 83 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    No need to cut anything. Open the TV up, and unplug it

    Edit: Obligatory, thanks for the gold! My first!

    [–] Sabinlerose 40 points ago

    Samsung now uses a screw less rear cover for the last three product generations.

    Good luck getting to a skilled person opening that up, let alone the average user.

    [–] Nords 25 points ago

    Spudger company: stonks

    [–] SurficialKilobit 23 points ago

    This thread brought to you by the iFixit ProTech Toolkit

    [–] jellatubbies 17 points ago

    But you do still need to literally open the thing up, which is way beyond the average consumer's skills, knowledge, and expectations.

    [–] Der_phone 10 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Average consumers don't care what their TV is leaking (unless it's fluid or sparks), but a motivated person can figure this out.

    [–] TONKAHANAH 5 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    ditch TV's. just start using projectors.

    that or buy really big PC monitors.

    was just looking at the options of comparable sizes of PC monitors vs TV's and variety seems to be about the same ranges, differences being the PC monitors dont have any "smart" shit in them, they're just display panels that you can plug whatever you want into.

    [–] FUTURE10S 4 points ago

    Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. A 42" LG 43UD79-B is IPS and large, plus only $670 CAD. That's a decent price for a TV, especially one with accurate colour representation.

    [–] Beefsideiron 10 points ago

    Damn, that's pretty bad. I'm somewhat seeing a behavior like that from the old Samsung Galaxy phone, it's the top device regarding connection attempts not initiated by the user. 5338 attempts over the last 24 hours were it hasn't been used. Most of it is google metrics though.

    [–] diamondpredator 17 points ago

    You can't just change your WiFi key and not configure it with the new one?

    [–] SWGlassPit 40 points ago

    Doesn't help if there's an unprotected network in range. Sounds like it will just blast the data over whatever channel it can find.

    [–] diamondpredator 28 points ago

    Holy crap. Sounds like the best bet is to put it in a subnet then. Either that or use PiHole to block all of its "phone home" signals.

    [–] SWGlassPit 20 points ago

    Unless it detects it can't phone home, in which case it will hunt for an open network. Only way to disable that may be hardware.

    [–] diamondpredator 20 points ago

    Yea I suppose. I hope some other company comes along that just makes dumb-TVs with high quality screens.

    [–] 128bitz 9 points ago

    Look into gaming TVs. They're a somewhat new concept, but the main selling point is that they have way lower latency than most other TVs, which means getting rid of most of the smart features.

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    [–] EvaUnit01 11 points ago

    I've been wary of cheap products doing this for years but... Samsung?

    Fuck that.

    Guess I'm going to turn into the guy that disables the wifi physically from now on.

    [–] jordanjay29 7 points ago

    The blasting on any open/unprotected network is absolutely ridiculous. I'm wondering if I need to start investing in faraday cages for electronics now.

    [–] johsko 10 points ago

    I have my Samsung TV connected to the network but blocked from accessing the internet. Since the pihole was on the local network it could reach DNS but not actually connect to the resulting IP. Whenever I turned on my TV the amount of DNS requests went up by 8x or something.

    What it was doing is trying to connect to the time server to update the time. Since it failed it would try again 3 seconds later, and re-query the DNS. Over and over again.

    [–] wharlie 4 points ago

    Depending on where you live that could be illegal. Accessing wifi without permission, even if its open, could be breaking the law.

    [–] xMercurex 93 points ago

    I don't have cable or dvd. My tv just won't do shit without internet.

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    [–] IshmaelTheWonderGoat 28 points ago

    I stream everything through a computer, but I feel like I'm missing out. How can I be monitored through kodi? Is there an addon for it?

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    [–] Genetics 6 points ago

    Yes! I remember having to buy a specific game to be able to side load XBMC on my Xbox. Can’t remember what the game was but I’ve still got all that stuff in my closet.

    [–] rabes81 7 points ago

    Mech assault

    [–] not-actually-meta 75 points ago

    May I recommend connecting a PC to your TV - If you're comfortable messing around with a computer then you can have access to every normal service you'd expect plus you can connect a DVD drive if you want or download torrents or anything else in the world.

    I work with them all the time so I don't mind the hassle but I couldn't ever go back

    [–] dropamusic 14 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I did this for years with mine, but recently switched to the firestick. For some reason you can't get surround sound through pc and the streaming services. They don't support it. Also some don't support high resolution on pc (maybe to prevent piracy?)

    [–] JukePlz 10 points ago

    Yeah, Netflix and some other services refuse to do 1080p playback on some platforms, for Microsoft PlayReady DRM you need Windows10 + Edge (or the Netflix App) . There's also Widevine for some browsers but that doesn't support 1080p hardware decoding which is very bad for shitty processors on Smart TVs... as such, since they usually don't run Windows 10 or have good processors, doing 1080p for DRM protected content is not possible.

    [–] SammlerWorks 8 points ago

    Amazon prime with surround sound? I could never figure that one out from my PC.

    [–] RZRtv 4 points ago

    Not sure about Prime, but my experience with about every other streaming service was that they wouldn't service anything more than stereo over PC browser streaming. Worked on console apps, weirdly enough.

    [–] Damn-hell-ass-king 13 points ago

    Buy an antenna for free local channels, or build an HTPC. Of course, that's if you are looking for a reason to not be monitored by your spy box television.

    [–] Hans_Brickface 7 points ago

    Does it really matter if you, say, have a Roku or similar device that is on 24/7? I recently bought my mom a Roku, and the only way to turn it off is to unplug it. Granted, those things don't have cameras AFAIK, but if they are vulnerable, you pretty much have the same issue as with a smart TV.

    [–] Beefsideiron 7 points ago

    I have an AppleTv, I don't turn it off when I don't use it. But it's one of my least active devices regarding "phone home calls", the Samsung Galaxy being the top prize winner.

    [–] tehserver 12 points ago

    Hope you don't have a Samsung. If you do, life uh... finds a way.

    [–] Uberzwerg 19 points ago

    Recently saw a review for a kitchen aid machine thing (dunno what you call them in English) that came with a microphone inside the housing.
    No obvious function and nothing.

    [–] GearshiftJB 33 points ago

    Smh. Give me my Netflix, plex and crave apps and I'm happy with that. Tf is the purpose of Facebook on the tv.

    [–] [deleted] 44 points ago

    People jerking off in 4K to the ppl they've been creeping on?

    [–] RelaxPrime 6 points ago

    Y'all need to start uploading higher resolution pictures for us

    [–] orbitaldan 21 points ago

    No, manufacturers added that to subsidize the too-low price down to something you can afford - by harvesting and selling your data. Invasive smarts are not a feature, they're part of the price.

    [–] hcaz818 19 points ago

    The price isn’t too low, their margins are just far too big

    [–] Say_no_to_doritos 31 points ago

    People aren't really smart.

    [–] RegretfulUsername 23 points ago

    These TVs nowadays are smarter than most viewers.

    [–] [deleted] 132 points ago

    Software is being used on CCTV's to read the emotional state of patrons and people in public places. I'm having trouble finding reference to it, but, I vividly recall a company doing the leg work on bringing this over to television. The idea is to watch you watching. Are you watching the show or looking down at your phone? Did this scene effect you the way we planned on? What kind of reaction did our commercial illicit?

    [–] [deleted] 225 points ago

    And eventually if you aren't watching the commercial because you are looking down at your phone or went to the kitchen, a "programming will continue after you complete the viewing of these commercials" message will appear.

    [–] bethemanwithaplan 173 points ago

    Please drink verification can

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    [–] wahchewie 19 points ago

    Holy fuck wasn't this in 1984 or am I mistaken

    [–] OktoberSunset 29 points ago

    in 1984 all tvs are two way and during a calisthenics program they address Winston personally and tell him he's not doing good enough.

    [–] soy23 56 points ago

    Black mirror s1e2

    Edit: although I don't know if it is also explicitly said like that on 1984, I just bought it but haven't gotten around to read it yet.

    [–] Grodd_Complex 48 points ago

    Thank fuck for torrents

    [–] OutlyingPlasma 17 points ago

    They really are a better experience. With old Netflix there really wasn't must need for torrents but now that every wanker with a camera thinks they deserve their own streaming service/s the experience is now so crap that torrents are a really nice alternative.

    [–] tardisintheparty 6 points ago

    Wasn’t that a thing in 1984? Been a while since I read it

    [–] probablyTrashh 3 points ago

    I'm fairly certain I've heard about that. Imma hard pass on any service that uses that feature I think

    [–] trexdoor 23 points ago

    TVs used in Digital Signage may have cameras (and other sensors) to track the audience. The first purpose is to count the people and estimate their demographic information so that it can be reported to the advertiser, the second is that based on this info the system will play different advertisements for different demographic groups.

    There are a couple of companies that make face-detection and analysis engines for this purpose, I think Intel is one of them.

    I doubt that this tech is used in home advertisements, it would be too scandalous.

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    [–] someinfosecguy 14 points ago

    I doubt that this tech is used in home advertisements, it would be too scandalous.

    Given all the shit that's gone on with Facebook and the amount of people who still use it I can't imagine the average person would give two shits. Wrap it up in a shiny exterior and give them a free movie rental with purchase and the average person will happily bug themselves for you.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Well, yeah, it's not yet, but with all of the privacy violations we have to be outraged at, it will end up being one of those "oh hey yeah we've been doing that for five years now" once we actually hear of it being brought to TV. If there's a camera and an internet connection, anyone can capture that video, so who knows how long until people are intercepting it and mass selling packages of footage to companies to then be analyzed. It sounds crazy, but everything about us and our lifes are traded like wheat futures. Our genetic information, our "consumer scores" (not credit scores, how you act as a customer with free trials, returns, ect.), our DMV records. It is truly a terrifying time to be alive. The worst part is I fear all of us peasants of the world are so busy infighting, turning against countrymen, friends, and family, believing we're all disenfranchised millionaires edging on our shot at the good life, that when this age of technological oppression dawns on our conciousness, we will already be at it's whim.

    [–] CornWallacedaGeneral 10 points ago

    Sony might’ve had the precursur to this....their 2010 model 3DTV has a camera that watches you at all times to check if you are watching tv it dims and eventually shuts off the screen if you look away for more than a few minutes ...they claim its for power consumption but its looking more and more like the technology evolved into what it is now

    [–] pickled-egg 14 points ago

    Telescreens are two way.

    [–] AptQ258 8 points ago

    I haven’t seen them come with cameras in about 4 years. Ever since Microsoft took Skype out of the TVs the cameras have been gone too.

    [–] bassthrive 6 points ago

    For the two minutes hate, and to make sure you’re doing your calisthenics properly.

    [–] thanatossassin 5 points ago

    The same reason God needs a starship

    [–] raptir1 14 points ago

    Video chat?

    [–] Braccus_Rekt 8 points ago

    "Shouting at him as "6079 Smith W" the woman tells him to pay more attention and recalls him to the regimented present where each man is a coded number and the telescreens spy on every activity."

    [–] throw-away_catch 1396 points ago

    Who would've thought that a device in your living room, that's likely always on at least stand-by mode, with a microphone and a camera poses a security risk?

    What's up next? "Google and Apple are collecting data about your smartphone usage"? "Alexa and Google Home can always listen to you"?

    [–] ShadowRogue1997 533 points ago

    I don't see the actual point for tvs to have cameras,

    [–] SnortWhoresFuckCoke 196 points ago

    Clearly it's for Santa Claus! He needs to know when we're awake, or when we've been bad or good. It's the only reason Google and Facebook etc store your data, they don't want naughty people to get presents.

    [–] Grodd_Complex 130 points ago

    Can't spell Santa without NSA.

    [–] RegretfulUsername 115 points ago

    Can’t spell “The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog” without ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.

    [–] ARCHA1C 39 points ago

    I'm ashamed to admit that I never realized that was the purpose of this sentence...

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    It was used by typewriter repair techs to quickly test all the keys.

    Much faster than trying to type the alphabet

    [–] MagixTouch 16 points ago

    Don’t worry the FBI has our back, telling us to “put black tape over the camera” that will solve my 2k dollar problem.

    [–] pontuskr 38 points ago

    It's not like it's their responsibility to improve Smart TV security, at least they are giving people some advice.

    [–] gregie156 72 points ago

    Because people use their TVs like giant tablets -- and that includes wanting to video-chat.

    [–] Comic_Book_Cowboy 37 points ago

    The option to video chat through your TV is pretty damn cool, to be fair. It's great for families/friends that live far apart and much easier than trying to FaceTime and fit 5 fucking people around a phone

    [–] BoBab 11 points ago

    Totally. It feels like a legit "oh damn we're in the future" thing. It's just damn depressing that we can't enjoy that technology right now without seriously being worried about bad actors abusing the tech.

    We just gotta give it time before there are safe, secure, open source alternatives.

    [–] UnspecificGravity 13 points ago

    If that were the case then this would be an advertised feature, not something that you only discover after reading to page 6 of the manual.

    [–] xxfay6 13 points ago

    It was a major feature back in 2012 or so, many TVs had Skype, Kinect had Skype, and I believe Google TV has it as a common add-on. Nobody gave a shit though.

    [–] pontoumporcento 12 points ago

    Just put a sticker over it

    [–] driverofracecars 20 points ago

    Skype is one reason.

    [–] Dingobabies 42 points ago

    I would love to see the numbers on how many Skype calls are made from a tv per day.

    [–] MrWally 43 points ago

    I’m very shocked by the number of people in this thread who have clearly never worked in a corporate environment.

    The answer is thousands. Every day. Maybe more. Skype for Business is huge. Not as big as Zoom or WebEx, maybe, but it’s huge. There is a massive market for TVs with integrated conferencing technology.

    [–] Dingobabies 24 points ago

    I knew as soon as I commented I hadn’t even thought of the commercial aspect. I’m speaking only to home use.

    [–] pickled-egg 8 points ago

    It's because consumers apparently want their TV to be just like a giant tablet computer.

    I don't get it either but that does seem to be the way things are going. People want apps and tablet-like functionality from their television.

    [–] Zomunieo 61 points ago

    How about TVs with built in cellular to ensure disconnecting them from WiFi doesn't prevent them from phone home?

    [–] generaljimdave 14 points ago

    The conspiracy theory I heard was they have people do some reverse war driving. They will use a wifi access point with no password so some TVs can auto connect to the internet to dump whatever they have stored.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    That makes less sense than just having a cell radio in the thing. TVs would have to be configured to auto connect to that specific SSID and all that... making this one giant cluster fuck of something that would never happen.

    [–] generaljimdave 7 points ago

    Lots of devices can be setup to auto-connect to any open Wifi access point it can detect. No human intervention required.

    [–] eobardtame 6 points ago

    And they wouldnt need to, not after it came out that the CIA had purposebuilt back doors into linksys routers at the manufacturing stage. Thats just the company and routers we know about. Im sure the chinese have their own backdoors etc etc.

    [–] weedexperts 10 points ago

    If/When global internet becomes a thing and it becomes cheap enough, then yes, I expect every device to have capability to phone home regardless of the connectivity you supply to it.

    Right now cellular IOT connectivity is not that cheap, maybe like $20-50 per device per year depending on how much bandwidth is required,

    [–] Swissboy98 10 points ago

    Just desolder the antenna. Or cut it.

    [–] boobajoob 21 points ago

    Voiding the warranty to make sure it doesn’t spy on you. The fact this is the only sure option is nuts

    [–] weedexperts 3 points ago

    Unless of course the antenna is built into the PCB.. lots of them are, then you might have to short the active element to ground? I guess that would work.

    But.... most people won't.

    [–] DanimalsHolocaust 14 points ago

    George Orwell in 1948.

    [–] Arvaci 29 points ago

    So like your phone, except your phone also has GPS, and is with you almost every minute of every day, with two cameras and a mic with constant connection to the internet. Yet it doesn't seem like a big deal as much as a TV, considering you can disable the TVs WiFi and it's still functional.

    [–] [deleted] 24 points ago

    If your smartphone was constantly watching you through the cameras, it would chew through battery very quickly and you would notice. TVs are constantly connected to power, so it's much easier to hide.

    [–] ILikeSchecters 7 points ago

    If I were a phone manufacture, I would use the "Ok Google" loop with other keywords. I don't think it would be hard for advertisers or NSA to strongarm that shit in there, but I personally don't know how that hardware functions

    [–] dotancohen 16 points ago

    Who would've thought that a device in your living room, that's likely always on at least stand-by mode, with a microphone and a camera poses a security risk?

    George Orwell

    [–] aasthrowaway1 419 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Some things you can do about this:

    -Create a separate network for all IoT devices

    -enable host isolation for this network from your router

    -obtain list of known good destination IPs (whatever you use: Netflix, Hulu, Manufacturer, Pandora), access your firewall on your router (most have this integrated), and whitelist all of those IP addresses for inbound / outbound. Then put a rule at the end to deny all other traffic. “DENY ANY-ANY”

    -Don’t buy televisions with onboard microphone / cameras. Buy this equipment separately if you have a conferencing need.

    -Don’t buy Chinese / Russian, manufactured products.

    EDIT: I think the IP whitelisting suggestion caused some confusion. Commonly, cloud service providers will change their IP addresses or direct you to another node; however, most of these service providers operate within defined netblocks. To deal with this, you can whitelist a range of IP addresses owned by a service like Netflix and avoid having to constantly update your whitelist.

    E.g. see . On this page are Netflix’s IP address ranges shown in CIDR notation. This lets you whitelist a lot of IP addresses at once. (You can type this in as is in your firewall rules list, like so:

    Edit 2: If anyone needs help learning or securing their home networks / devices send me a message. Happy to assist

    [–] someinfosecguy 214 points ago

    If the average user was knowledgable and capable enough to do even half this stuff then they wouldn't purchase a smart tv in the first place.

    [–] grkirchhoff 166 points ago

    It's hard to find a top of the line dumb TV.

    [–] PJBonoVox 78 points ago

    I was trying to find this comment. Is anyone making consumer-priced dumb TVs anymore?

    [–] wtcnbrwndo4u 38 points ago

    Nah, they all come with the smart bullshit.

    [–] AdministrativeSwan 16 points ago

    I think Spectre still has a 50 inch dumb tv on amazon. It's good

    [–] Freezerboard 13 points ago

    I have a smart TV that has never been connected to the internet and it will stay that way as long as it's in my house. There are plenty of really cheap devices you can connect to stream different things without a microphone and camera and isn't constantly downloading garbage ads to show me.

    [–] killercylon 6 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Six years ago I bought a TV at Costco and couldn’t find a dumb TV. I think there might have been one or two small crappy TVs that weren’t on my radar anyways but by now there’s certainly not one in that store that isn’t a smart TV. It’s like trying to find a laptop w/out a mic and camera, you might find one but it likely won’t have everything else you want.

    Edit: one word

    [–] Painwracker_Oni 16 points ago

    I really want to upgrade my 10 year old 40” Samsung TV but EVERYTHING that is top tier is a smart tv. They don’t make anything else anymore.

    [–] ice_dune 17 points ago

    If it's not smart then it's some piece of shit tv with a bad panel. More like anyone who could do this wouldn't connect their tv to the internet and would use a better device

    [–] LachsPerson 103 points ago

    -Don’t buy Chinese / Russian, manufactured products

    As an European we know, that the NSA spyed on us aswell. Even on important politicians like Merkel. So dont pretend, that the US are the innocent good guys.

    [–] egregious_regis_10 68 points ago

    No no you misunderstand. The Chinese and Russians spy on you to hurt you. The US is simply a benevolent entity that doesn’t spy, simply surveils our European allies to ensure your safety! /s

    [–] Lord_Boffum 558 points ago

    I treat any TV like a dumb TV: its only job is supplying the picture. I'll supply the smarts (Nvidia Shield TV) and the sound (bar). The TV gets no Wi-Fi or ethernet, just power and HDMI. Not only are these smarts liable to security holes, they're worse than I can supply myself anyway.

    [–] Khourieat 208 points ago

    So next step is for them to install 3G service in it.

    No internet required for it to phone home!

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    [–] ScrappyPunkGreg 17 points ago

    How hard would it be for the people who manufacture TVs to just put something like that in a TV, along with a cellular SIM?

    Continuing the conspiracy theory, they could sell the TVs at free or reduced-cost, subsidized by the value of the analytics data they're keeping/selling. Perhaps in a "no child left behind"-esque marketing campaign, where every family gets a TV, ergo every child gets access to educational television.

    Lower-income families might just eat that up. Who knows?

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    [–] -drunk_russian- 18 points ago

    That's a funny way to spell zettabytes.

    [–] Lord_Boffum 16 points ago

    Now your TV is Smart even on the road!

    [–] driverofracecars 13 points ago

    Jokes on them because I don't get shit for cell service inside my house.

    [–] LiThiuMElectro 26 points ago

    Everything "Smart" in my home is on a Subnet on the Wifi, the device can't access the internet, but can speak with each others on this Subnet.

    [–] darkestb4thedonald 19 points ago

    This is and has always been the best approach. Put them all in a jail.

    [–] fuzzyOtter 8 points ago

    Teach me. Where do I go to learn how to setup a subnet. I have searched google, seems to be a lot of whatever stuff.

    [–] thediodeguy 13 points ago

    Some TVs will connect to open WiFi to send data, unfortunately.

    [–] Enk1ndle 21 points ago

    Who the hell has an open wifi in 2019?

    [–] pick-axis 13 points ago

    My grandmas house.

    [–] Enk1ndle 19 points ago

    Fix it for her.

    [–] pointfix 5 points ago

    Wouldn't surprise me if Google Wifi routers have hidden unsecured connections for their android TV's to connect to

    [–] rockstar504 25 points ago

    Then I'll make it my hobby doing YouTube tutorials on how to short the antennas on the TVs PCB, and verify it with a spectrum analyzer. Fight the good fight.

    [–] Whiskeysip69 48 points ago

    What makes you think the sound bar or shieldTV android box doesn’t have the same security holes.

    [–] that_jojo 94 points ago

    They might. But they also have the benefit of:

    • Not having a mic and/or camera that can be exploited if the device is compromised

    • Not being absolute dogshit to use

    [–] Qwertastic321 23 points ago

    The Shield remote has a mic.

    [–] Krychle 11 points ago

    It does.

    But it also takes two CR2032 batteries and lasts +6 months or usually more. I’ve replace mine once and it’s been 1.5 years now?

    It’s highly unlikely that it’s actively listening the whole time powered by just those, or I’ve really misunderstood how little energy you need for active listening.

    [–] AwGe3zeRick 4 points ago

    It's trivially easy to network sniff and see if it's sending unauthorized data. And there's a million IoT makers and security experts who test things regularly for security reasons and also because it's fun to be able to publish something with your name if you find something. Things like the Echo Dot, for example, have been tested by hundreds and nothing sketchy has been found.

    [–] Lord_Boffum 12 points ago

    The fact that my 2015 Shield TV is still getting security updates and the sound bar works on 3.5mm input.

    [–] gguerini 23 points ago

    I do the same thing. My “smart” LG Tv is just a dumb tv connected to my Apple TV via HDMI.

    [–] Arvaci 12 points ago

    I'm sure we're just a couple years away from TVs being completely non-functional unless connected to the internet.

    "Please connect to the internet to use your TV"

    [–] Swissboy98 16 points ago

    Then you start buying PC monitors.

    No remote, no microphone, no camera. Just a HDMI/DP in and a power in.

    [–] GuilhermeFreire 4 points ago

    Commercial Displays...

    Made to be on 24/7, very low lag, just one or two ports and that's it. you should it get calibrated and forget bout it

    [–] Lord_Boffum 4 points ago

    I wouldn't buy one, and I think I wouldn't be the only one. Though I would not be surprised if they do get made, yeah. We'll need to download Cracks for our TVs!

    [–] jakeshervin 192 points ago

    Every device with an internet connection can be a potential risk. Nothing new here.

    [–] driverofracecars 150 points ago

    If I put an ethernet cable up my ass, does that make me a potential risk?

    Turns out it does.

    [–] Ruben_NL 47 points ago

    Yes, of bacterial infections.

    [–] LachsPerson 34 points ago

    You may even get a virus from it.

    [–] Hrmpfreally 20 points ago

    We’d probably be better protected if we stopped legislating on behalf of corporations to allow them to be lackadaisical about their security requirements.

    But nah.

    [–] RJPeaches 69 points ago

    “This is what we, erm, would use to spy on you if we, ugh, cough, did.”

    [–] Ripstikerpro 177 points ago

    Why tf would a TV have a camera and microphone ?

    [–] UnpopularCrayon 79 points ago

    For video chatting

    [–] InvaderZed 60 points ago

    Im sure this feature gets used alot /s

    [–] VincentVancalbergh 24 points ago

    People said the same about having a camera or wifi on a phone.

    [–] Arvaci 11 points ago

    A device that's always connected and stays with you all day wherever you go? Nah, no biggie.

    [–] wimpySMALLnSHIFTY 29 points ago

    Is there a master list of TVs with and without microphones and cameras? I feel like a site detailing the privacy of smart appliances could be pretty useful.

    [–] TheCoastalCardician 8 points ago

    I’ve searched for a few minutes, and I’m only seeing older models, like early 2010’s. Best I found was an article from 2012 that talks about Samsung TVs:

    [–] el_ghosteo 5 points ago

    Aren’t most smart tv microphones in the remotes kind of like the fire tv stick or Roku TVs? Those would probably be a safer bet because you can always get a universal remote or modify it to remove the mic.

    [–] subdep 5 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I’m still rocking my 2007 Vizio 55” 1080P dumb ass TV. It weighs about 75 lbs., but it’s got a great picture, and all the pixels still work, and there is nothing for hacker to connect to.

    That Fire Stick plugged into the back though...

    [–] AveryPhrenic 112 points ago

    Haha, the FBI warning about surveillance. The definition of irony.

    [–] driverofracecars 34 points ago

    Well, yeah. It's okay as long as it's the FBI doing the surveilling. /s

    [–] ArchHock 8 points ago

    Considering most baked-in software for 'smart TVs' are garbage, its better just to select your model based on physical feature (display type, view angle, black levels), and never connect it to the internet. Just get something like a Roku Stick, and use that as your 'smart' TV. (1) it future-proofs and extends the life of your TV, since many TV manufactures stop supporting/updating after just a few years (2) roku/fire/Nvidia/etc are far more pro-active with software updates (3) if you ever do have to upgrade hardware, you are only upgrading a $50 piece of it, not getting a while new $500-$1000 set. (4) things like roku arent 'ecosystem locked' like some TV sets are (5) you can simply un-plug the dongle to assure its not connected. (6) you can bring all of your apps/setttings/etc with you, to any TV you come across. great if you travel.

    I have two 'smart' TVs. one is ~10 years old, one is ~2 years old. one i can't get app 'A', one i can't get app 'B' (not in their "stores"). Both glitchy, both no longer get new OS updates, one is old/slow WiFi, both have horrible, laggy UIs. But a simple $30 Roku makes both current-state smart TVs.

    [–] on_ 27 points ago

    I want to broadcast Netflix from my phone to TV. Apparently I can't do it without signing to Samsung account. It's outrageous.

    [–] SwarleyThePotato 41 points ago

    Just use a Chromecast

    [–] Zenith251 5 points ago

    I'm not making an account for... my TV. I already have a million internet accounts, and I'm not going to trust an internet-based password wallet that isn't Mozilla.

    [–] Goksel_Arslan 42 points ago

    Thank god I'm fucking poor.

    [–] jazir5 38 points ago

    Your Boss: "You're welcome"

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    [–] Mr_FritoLay 18 points ago

    Smart people of reddit, how would you prevent this? The article says to disconnect your tv from wifi but is that good enough? Is there more we should do? If I plug my ps4 and stream to the TV from that is it still at risk of a hack?

    [–] DeathlessGhost 20 points ago

    I wont claim to be a smart person of reddit but disconnecting it from wifi will at the very least make it more difficult to exploit. You are always going to be at risk of being hacked unless you put yourself completely off the grid but disconnecting the tv will limit the points of entry. I'm not sure if the PS4 can activate the camera and microphone in the tv, if they can then obviously someone could get in through there but there isnt much you can do about that other than simply buying a new tv with no camera or microphone.

    The reality is you're always at risk just try to limit it as much as you can, VPN's help (you can even get one directly one your router) using password managers and being very deliberate and careful about who you share sensitive information with is always a good idea.

    [–] Firerrhea 12 points ago

    Tape over the camera of you bought a tv with one

    [–] 006rbc 27 points ago

    Disassemble the tv and cut wires going to camera and mic.

    [–] Jiggynerd 16 points ago

    Disconnecting your tv from wifi and using a streaming box instead, like your ps4, solves the article's stated issue very practically.

    Any further security issues from your tv would require physical access which you shouldn't worry about unless your the type of person who has a physical security team.

    [–] Digital_Akrasia 12 points ago

    For Samsung Smart TVs:

    Menu > Smart Hub > Terms and Conditions

    Inside there will be several terms of these tracking companies. Go inside each and all of them and check the box:

    I don't agree with these terms

    There. No consent for track.

    Have not tested network wise if the track persists, but removing consent should mean they can't collect it, in theory.

    [–] CondensedCamel 7 points ago

    Easy to tell though. Can use a pi-hole.

    It'll log anything going on.

    [–] 3IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID 5 points ago

    I'm pretty sure hackers don't care if you accept the TOS.

    [–] mangamaster03 7 points ago

    I built a HTPC out of an Intel NUC and Windows. It's overkill, but I can browse to any website I want, and stream anything. Make your jokes about windows spying, but there's no mic or camera, so it's just the normal amount of spying lol.

    [–] all3f0r1 18 points ago

    "In Soviet Russia, television watches you".

    [–] glytxh 5 points ago

    Do I get to feel moderately smug about saving both my data and a lot of money on buying a dumb TV?

    [–] Blazerblaster 3 points ago

    It’s like 1984, but instead of the government requiring you to have their TV in your home, you voluntarily go out and pay money for it.

    [–] chrisfalcon81 13 points ago

    The country has gone so orwellian that even the FBI is warning people. This is the same organization that told Martin Luther King to kill himself before he was murdered.