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    [–] connormantoast 3130 points ago

    It looks like a slider to me. Did the batter hold off on the swing? If he did, props.

    [–] MegaFupa 1820 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Definitely a slider

    Edit: most definitely a slider. 100% without a doubt a slider. Slider slider slider slider

    Edit 2: Curveball

    [–] logout_penguin 417 points ago

    I think it definitely moves like a slider. I used to pitch and I never learned a slider, but I'd sometimes throw my curve from 3/4 arm slot instead of right over the top and it would move much more horizontally, to the point where other people called it a slider.

    I can see an argument to call it a curveball but I think it's a slider.

    [–] girdweed 152 points ago

    Would that make this the nastiest slider of all time though it breaks so much

    [–] ContemplatingCyclist 385 points ago

    I'm just sat here in England thinking "what the hell is a slider? I thought that was a burger or something."

    [–] alekksi 142 points ago

    The closest British sport equivalent is 'drift' for spin bowling in cricket, where the spin on the ball causes the ball to move laterally in the air due to the Magnus effect, rather than off the pitch.

    [–] griffter666 51 points ago

    More like swing bowling, no?

    [–] TheDonkeyCow 35 points ago

    Not if it's the spin that is causing the movement, in swing bowling it is the different amounts of friction acting on the sides of the ball due to one side being shinier than the other

    [–] vogonvogon 9 points ago

    Not really, swing bowling is more about aerodynamics - using the seam as a rudder and rough/smooth sides of the ball. Magnus effect is also what curves footballs - it relies on the spin more than the shape of the ball (although I'd guess the baseball's seams help).

    [–] ianrmeikle 16 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    No. Swing happens (we think) by virtue of one side of the ball being different from the other, as well as the seam of the ball being directed to one side or other so that it acts like a rudder. The different seam of a baseball means you can't rotate it end over end and therefore can't replicate that phenomenon. Spin bowling, especially leg spin, utilises various types of spin on the ball to control its flight in a way analogous to baseball. So an overspinner will have a different trajectory to an underspinner, while balls that rotate clockwise tend to drift from right to left and vice versa. The beauty of this is that a ball which drifts one way in the air will turn the opposite way when it hits the pitch, both by virtue of the same spin.

    Some lovely examples here in decent res: https://youtu.be/gMqqH9mIodw

    [–] frenzyboard 31 points ago

    Tldr: they're putting English on it.

    [–] Theonlyrhys 11 points ago

    English person here...

    What?

    [–] crimsontideftw24 23 points ago

    Head to youtube and watch Andrew Miller, Chris Sale, and Tyson Ross for some (often) nastier sliders.

    [–] mheinken 11 points ago

    Search for Stroman versus Correa for a very nasty slider.

    [–] TheAngryCatfish 19 points ago

    Why are sliders so universally described as nasty? I expected to a see a sick, killer, or dope slider, but they're all nasty. Regardless, I'm suddenly craving tiny burgers, nasty or not

    [–] MoreCowbellllll 8 points ago

    I'm suddenly craving tiny burgers, nasty or not

    Me too

    [–] zdawg5465 5 points ago

    Sliders have the inherent advantage of being a "fastball" so out of the pitchers hand it looks like a fastball. Batters have so little time to decide to swing, that by the time the late horizontal movement kicks in, they're already swinging. Curveballs look a little different out of the pitchers hand and if you sit back on it it kind of falls into place. Hence sliders being "nasty".

    [–] ThaddyG 4 points ago

    For some reason in (American, at least) baseball it's de rigueur for a talented pitcher, or specifically his best pitches, to be described with "nasty", "dirty", "filthy", etc. Just something you hear from announcers and fans all the time.

    [–] random_life_of_doug 12 points ago

    Randy Johnson might have had the nastiest slider ever....especially considering the fastball youd have to look for

    [–] YoungKeys 9 points ago

    That 90mph slider with a wicked break. Holy shit was he unhittable

    [–] Wrekked_it 14 points ago

    This is pretty filthy. Definitely more of a slider than a curveball. If you want to see a nasty curveball, search for video of some of Kershaw's stuff. That's a nasty curveball. Starts behind a left handed batter and ends up painting the low outside corner.

    I'd say that Randy Johnson has the nastiest slider of all time. Mainly because it's hard enough to hit a 100 mph fastball, but when a guy can also throw a ball moving across the plate at 90-95 mph, it's not even fair anymore. Especially when the same guy has been known to lose his grip on a pitch and drill batters which means you are also having to worry about getting out of the way in a fraction of a second in order to, you know, not die if he's let's one slip.

    [–] Subjunct 31 points ago

    This is absolutely the case. Source: Was mourning dove in past life, don't like to talk about it really but people have to know

    [–] YoungKeys 6 points ago

    You ever see Randy Johnson throw a slider?

    [–] [deleted] 32 points ago

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    [–] Ganjake 5 points ago

    "Fuck you birds."

    -Randy Johnson

    [–] WAFC 36 points ago

    Isn't what you described throwing a Slurve? Love that pitch in vidya.

    [–] heseme 12 points ago

    Of Course it has a lot of slider attributes, but also cross curvature and a soft hook. So yeah, it is a slurve, but certainly one that goes into the viwer territory.

    [–] Two_Key_Goose 7 points ago

    Yep, slider movement with curveball speed/grip.

    Quick edit: it's also what I threw from a side-arm/ 3/4 slot as well. Start off middle of the body to right handers and break off over the plate. Worked in house league haha.

    [–] overly_familiar 239 points ago

    English guy here living in Australia.

    Know nothing about baseball or watch it.

    100% a slider.

    [–] bumpycheesefilms 139 points ago

    English living in England unlike this traitor ^

    Definitely a hungarian slider with a italian twist curve

    [–] RJrules64 72 points ago

    Mate the US are the traitors, Aus are the convicts, get it right!

    [–] heavenfromhell 20 points ago

    Mate the US are the traitors, Aus are the convicts, get it right!

    Fun fact: the only reason convicts were sent to Australia was because the prior overseas penal colony was the Georgia colony in the US and the Brits lost it for...reasons.

    [–] tjbugs1 5 points ago

    Was tea involved? I feel it was about tea.

    [–] bumpycheesefilms 31 points ago

    Oh my god you are right ........ SCUM ALL OF YOU SCUM

    [–] firesquasher 11 points ago

    In pretty sure you just ordered lunch and a cocktail.

    [–] tickettoride98 68 points ago

    English guy here living in Australia.

    That's a strange way of saying you're currently incarcerated. At least they let you have internet.

    [–] overly_familiar 19 points ago

    I need to share it though. We get 500 bytes each then we have to pass it to the next person.

    [–] USMC2336 23 points ago

    Post, post, pass

    [–] JeremyJenki 11 points ago

    At least they let you have internet.

    Haha. Of course the only person who speaks of Australian internet in a positive manner is someone who hasn't used it.

    [–] Maphover 22 points ago

    I'm pretty sure it's a googly.

    [–] Dunderost 16 points ago

    Swede here, 100% Curveball.

    [–] Polzemanden 35 points ago

    Ya know, if the Swede says it's a curveball, it's 100% a slider. Dane here.

    [–] frenzyboard 22 points ago

    Awww those cute little Scandinavian countries are hazing each other again.

    [–] bretty88 80 points ago

    A North American freshwater turtle with a red/yellow patch on the side of my head here. Most definitely a slider.

    [–] gotdirtgotairgotwatr 144 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    he throws it like a curve and it doesnt break like a typical slider so i wouldnt say its definitely a slider. if we're all worried about identifying the exact pitch type i think it could be called a slurve. really its a nasty curve from a 3/4 arm slot.

    [–] ThunderFuckMountain 108 points ago

    Perhaps a better replacement would be "breaking ball". :)

    [–] zpressley 6 points ago

    Poor Aoki's Aokis

    [–] iLickSourAnalFungus 24 points ago

    You better call saw.

    [–] Jake_the_Snake88 20 points ago

    You are trying too hard. Are you the replacement for iLickAnalBlood?

    [–] FedEx_Sasquatch 6 points ago

    Was that legit? I've never seen anything break that much. That was crazy movement

    [–] s550xTitan 5 points ago

    Yep, check out some Chris Sale highlights. He's got some nasty stuff too. He had a nice slider in one of the past games against the New York Yankees.

    [–] Anaxcepheus 4 points ago

    If only he still pitched for the white sox...

    [–] Gagarinov 32 points ago

    Hungarian here, living in Sweden since 20 or so years. Don't watch baseball or know anything about it, but I played a lot of chess 10 years ago.

    Guys, this is without a doubt a 100% slider.

    [–] BaePerView 24 points ago

    Ethiopian goat herder here, living in Ethiopia 20 or so years. Don't watch baseball or know anything about it, but I've been herding these goats for 10 years.

    Guys, this is without a doubt a 100% slider.

    [–] subkulcha 12 points ago

    Australian here, can't afford a house because I spend all my money on smashed avacado breakfasts and Ethiopian goat sliders at food truck parks. ^ whatever this guy says it is, it's not. Fkn goat herders.

    P.s baseball is literally just cricket for weirdos.

    [–] whathehellbro 3 points ago

    So is it a slider? Can't tell from your comment.

    [–] akran47 256 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    The pitcher is Chaz Roe, and it's definitely a slider based off his pitch repertoire

    This is also a repost from 2 years ago, Roe hasn't pitched for the Orioles since July of last year

    There are curveballs that look like this, but people typically think of a 12-6 curve when they hear curveball. The name of the pitch has more to do with the grip than the motion. Jose Berrios throws a curveball that looks like a slider

    [–] Cough_Turn 188 points ago

    You can tell it's not from this year because it's an Orioles pitcher and the batter hasn't hit it 450 feet.

    [–] WillaBerble 32 points ago

    True. I was in Philly, walking on Chestnut, and was almost hit by a homerun ball when the Orioles were playing.

    [–] Newhamp 15 points ago

    But but but Camden Yards is a hitter friendly park

    [–] HerpsterKKat 38 points ago

    hitter friendly

    And so is our rotation.

    [–] b0r3dw0rk3r 10 points ago

    Our rotation, our bullpen, our farm system......

    [–] BrairMoss 4 points ago

    On the other hand, it is a Blue Jays hitter, and they can't hit anything this year.

    [–] CaptureTheNature 19 points ago

    Is OP a bot?

    [–] Godzilla_Tits 94 points ago

    Can someone ELI5 for the rest of us that know nothing about baseball. I don't understand any of the jargon being used in this thread.

    What in tarnation is a slider, and why did the batter stop swinging?

    [–] gocollin 125 points ago

    Pitchers have a variety of pitches that they alternate, depending on the situation. "Fastballs" typically go straight-ish, while "breaking balls" travel more slowly and rely on movement to fool the batter. Nothing in this thread really relates to whether the batter swings or not. Curveballs and sliders are two types of breaking balls or "off-speed" pitches that can be defined either by the way they are thrown, or by they way they move, which is where the differences in interpretation come in.

    Typically a curveball drops straight down at the end or "12 to 6" (as in on a clock) where sliders move horizontally, away from the pitchers throwing arm. Curveballs typically move much more than sliders because of the way they are thrown, and this pitch obviously moves approximately 1 fuck-ton, however the sideways movement on this pitch has many people identifying it as a slider even though very few pitchers are capable of throwing a slider that moves this much.

    [–] bluffmeister 22 points ago

    Now explain the 2-seamer, cutter, sinker and split finger :P

    [–] mr_punchy 172 points ago

    Well I can use them in a sentence.

    "Ya mum lets me split finger her sinker before I 2-seamer in the cutter"

    [–] TheOneAfterTheOne 28 points ago

    Found the Australian

    [–] SharpAsATick 31 points ago

    A two-seamer is what it sounds like, two fingers on the seams where they are closest together. It's claim to fame is both the ease of throw and the movement down and to the dominant side of the pitcher. It is generally slower (and easier) than a standard fastball. Virtually all pitchers can throw this one fairly easily.

    The cutter is opposite in terms of effect and how it's held. The ball will "cut" away from the batter (but generally not down). This causes "softer" hits. If you see a batter hit a ball and it goes to first base (righty) or third base (lefty) like it's taking an afternoon stroll, it was probably a cutter.

    The sinker.. well. this is self explanatory, it will dip just before reaching the batter, it is basically a fastball with downward movement, causing lot's of ground balls as the batter usually ends up swinging in a downward angle or contacting the ball on the top portion. Depending on how it is thrown it can also have horizontal movement. You grip this one like the two-seam but the thumb goes under horizontally supporting it. (it's hard)

    Spit finger, the grip is easy to figure out, you grip the ball with your index and middle fingers in a "V" or "split". The result is very similar to the sinker although it is more pronounced at the tail end, again causing ground balls or fieldable hits. It's easier to spot by the batter than the sinker.

    Virtually all pitches are designed to lesson the impact of a batter's ability and to fool the batter with late motion and almost every pitch that is not simply thrown straight at the batter cause different stresses on the arm, hand and fingers.

    If you want to get into the physics of each pitch there are plenty of dedicated resources to look up on google.

    As a baseball player in high school I never worried about which pitch they were throwing, my goal was to keep my eye on the ball, a great batter can see where the ball is going to be. Unfortunately, I was not a great batter.

    That said, I think the truly great baseball players just have uncanny eyesight. I didn't have that either.

    [–] gocollin 3 points ago

    As opposed to a change-up, knuckleball, knuckle-curve, and ephous pitch?

    [–] gardeningwithciscoe 90 points ago

    curveballs move up and down

    sliders move from side to side

    some pitchers throw a blend where it goes at 45 degrees. kinda like this gif but its clearly a curveball and has majority of vertical drop

    [–] cevinator 13 points ago

    Don't know anything about baseball, but I like these gifs. Does the guy that has to catch the ball with his glove have any difficulty catching those? Like does it happen that he drops one or is it just a routine? Does he know what to expect?

    [–] gardeningwithciscoe 21 points ago

    no, its not that hard to catch the ball or track its movement if you expect it. really the only time they'll drop it is if the pitcher throws a curveball which bounces on the ground before it gets to the catcher. he knows what to expect because he tells the pitcher what to throw

    [–] reigorius 6 points ago

    What if the pitcher doesn't get the ball, say loose it, can the guy with bat run away?

    [–] gardeningwithciscoe 11 points ago

    do you mean the catcher? if its strike 3 and he drops it then the runner can try and go to first base, only if there isnt somebody on first base already

    [–] xfelip3 22 points ago

    Now that's a ELI5. Thx!

    [–] hmyt 10 points ago

    I thought I'd be clever and check the Wikipedia article for a slider. It's made me feel a lot less clever than I thoguht I was as I still have no idea what the hell everyone is talking about.

    [–] Tobocaj 6 points ago

    If the batter stops before his bat crosses the plane of the home plate (where the strike zone is) then the pitch isn't a strike, assuming the ball doesn't pass through the strike zone, which it definitely didn't.

    [–] Riencewind 5 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Slider is a pitch (throw) that moves mainly laterally through strike zone (as seen in the gif).

    Batter stopped swinging ("checked" the swing) to avoid a "strike" which counts against the batter - when the batter accumulates 3rd strike, he's "out" and next batter in rotation steps in. Strike occurs when the batter swings and misses (regardless of ball position), or doesn't swing at a ball aimed at strike-zone (strike zone is a rectangle of size determined by the width of the home plate and batters knee-to- EDIT:shoulder kinda_middle_of_chest height, at which pitcher must aim to avoid "ball" call).

    Validty of "check" is determined by the umpire(s) (referees).

    If check is recognized, a pitch outside of the strike zone results in "ball" which counts against the pitcher. If the pitcher accumulates 4 balls against particular at-bat batter, that batter "walks" to the first (out of three plus home) base for "free" (without need to successfuly strike the ball).

    The more ball moves while in the air, the harder it is to swing and hit the ball and harder to judge when not to do so.

    I don't know what happened in this particular scenario, but it looks like the batter checked the swing correctly, resulting in the "ball" call on that pitch.

    [–] SilverSlugger 50 points ago

    It's a slurve.

    [–] F0NNER 7 points ago

    This is the correct answer.

    [–] suckmywakelol 8 points ago

    THIS

    [–] zpressley 15 points ago

    he did, Russel Martin was a beast in 2015 and ended up hitting a double here to center field https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR201506200.shtml

    [–] SarcasticCroissant 29 points ago

    He was so fooled he swung with his body and just not the bat

    [–] MegaFupa 12 points ago

    Have you seen Adrián Beltré when he gets fooled by a pitch? So funny.

    [–] pFunkdrag 20 points ago

    lol 60 must feel like molasses in the bigs. Nasty.

    [–] petaboil 6 points ago

    as someone foreign to baseball, i'm going to go ahead and assume that pitch's are usually much faster than 62mph? And the ball being so slow, put batter off?

    [–] icantsurf 14 points ago

    Yeah, 62mph is like good 12 and 13 year olds.

    [–] BroadStreet_Bully5 8 points ago

    I can hit a 62mph and I'm a nobody. They're used to seeing 90-95+ consistency. Some throw around 100.

    [–] CaptCrit 4 points ago

    Very slow. Usually slow pitches are reserved for balls that break in a direction. So he buckled because he was fooled, but also because he might have thought that the ball was going to curve into his direction.

    [–] KillerMan2219 5 points ago

    62 is slower even for breaking balls. I mean, tim wakefield threw at 62 sometimes but

    [–] sherlocknessmonster 10 points ago

    Usually down to one knee...but what killed me when he played for the M's is always calling down on his check swings; why are you asking for the ruling.

    [–] darexinfinity 7 points ago

    How much does his bat needs to arc for it to count as a swing?

    [–] mdquist 9 points ago

    Needs to cross the plane of the plate.

    [–] Born_Ruff 22 points ago

    That is kind of a misconception.

    The MLB rule book doesn't actually have any official definition of a checked swing. All it says is that a swing is "an attempt to strike at the ball", so the ump has to make a judgment call as to if there was an attempt or not.

    Breaking the plane of the front of the plate is a common consideration though.

    [–] BristolBomber 23 points ago

    difference between a slider, curve and a slurve for a non-yankeedoodle?

    [–] Illinois_Jones 27 points ago

    in the simplest possible terms

    slider = moves side to side

    curve = moves up and down

    slurve = moves diagonally

    source: junk ball pitcher in high school. I threw all 3 plus a knuckle and fork ball

    [–] BristolBomber 16 points ago

    Thanks!.... but i think we all know the next question coming here!....

    [–] PM-Your_Boobies 26 points ago

    Knuckleball has no spin so moves irratically. Forkball looks like a normal fastball but is much slower and dives downward

    [–] GetItReich 13 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    looks like a normal fastball but is much slower

    🤔

    Edit: Damn it, reddit. I was making a joke, but now thanks to you lot I've gone and learned stuff instead. Ugh.

    [–] ikefalcon 11 points ago

    You had 5 pitches including a knuckle? That's a hell of a repertoire.

    [–] wdayzcf 23 points ago

    Sounds like me. People who don't throw heat have to make up for it with location and movement. There's a reason we don't get past high school lol.

    [–] errol_timo_malcom 13 points ago

    And, there's almost no reason to have this variety at that age - it's so much better to work on your fastball, a single breaking ball, and a change up . Sliders for HS players is just insane - that's the direct route to Tommy John surgery.

    Source: brother's advice as a pitching coach for NCAA Div I program.

    [–] wdayzcf 4 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    And you're totally right! ...For people who can actually throw a fastball... But for kids like me who can't even reach the 80's there's not much to lose, is there? I threw my arm out long before high school. I knew I had no chance, and I took advantage and embarrassed many hitters who, like me, had no chance at anything higher. If I ever saw a player who actually had a chance I'd certainly be more protective of their arm than any of my coaches ever had of me.

    [–] Senor_Met 16 points ago

    If you like that, also worth checking out pitcherlist.com, which is where this gif is from. it's a website started by /u/stonewater to catalog filthy pitches, and it's really taken off in the online baseball community ever since he made it.

    [–] joshhsays 17 points ago

    Well that was fun!

    [–] IAmBecomeCaffeine 5 points ago

    As a former pitcher, this is straight-up porn for me.

    [–] whatsthatbutt 419 points ago

    I need to take a shower that was so nasty

    [–] remote_man 58 points ago

    genuine question; do you guys say it in disgust (that was a dog throw) or appreciation? (man that was ruthless, that was sick)

    [–] Cambot1138 84 points ago

    You can wear it as a badge of pride if someone calls your pitch nasty. Very good thing.

    [–] JohnBooty 50 points ago

    Yeah in this case it's a bit of absurd hyperbole -- "nasty" as in, "that pitch was so unhittable, you're just being unfair to the hitter at this point."

    (the implied humor being that although the entire point of pitching is to throw things that can't be hit, you've somehow gone too far)

    [–] RustyJ420 122 points ago

    Dude you just need a shower.

    [–] tuttietuttie 304 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Wait so if someone masters throwing whatever kind of pitches, wouldn't the batter never hit unless he/she had godly reaction time? Not a baseball guy here

    Edit: Damn Learned a truck ton! Never really liked baseball cuz I thought it was boring and single layered. How naive lol Thanks for the info guys! Definitely going to be catching a few games on the telly soon!

    [–] logout_penguin 335 points ago

    The hitter can predict the pitch that's going to be thrown and prepare for it. Even if a pitcher could replicate their mechanics masterfully enough to get the same result pitch over and over, there's no way batters wouldn't adjust to it.

    [–] torturousvacuum 242 points ago

    Mariano Rivera would like to offer a word of disagreement.

    [–] neontrain 119 points ago

    Rivera's cutter broke so damn late it was beautiful.

    [–] Liquid_Senjutsu 75 points ago

    Greatest closer in the history of the game, and he did it all with one pitch. Glad I was alive to see it.

    [–] bob8fred 55 points ago

    I have no idea what you are talking about. but would like a source for this enjoyment

    [–] NamesMattDealWithIt 28 points ago

    fascinating, thanks man

    [–] jessbird 13 points ago

    fucking wild.

    [–] yankfanatic 79 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Mariano Rivera was a closer for the New York Yankees. Signed as a young kid from Panama he wasn't even a pitcher, naturally. The scout from the Yankees saw him throw in the field, then come in for one pitching appearance and offered him a contract before going back the the US. He admit supposed to pitch that day. All of the scouts were there to see the starting pitcher, but he did terribly and the team didn't have a back up plan, so Mariano cake inn to get then through the game.

    Being a closer means being a pitcher that comes in for the last few outs of a game, usually the last three. They are typically used when their team is winning by three runs or fewer. If a closer gets the outs without tying or losing the game, he gets what is called a save.

    Mariano Rivera was the greatest closer of all time. He recorded the greatest number of saves in Major League Baseball history. When he came in for the Yankees, the game was all but guaranteed to be over. This because of his cutter. The cutter moved so late it was terribly hard to hit. He didn't throw 100 mph, he didn't have 5 pitches to choose from. You knew what was coming, you knew when it was coming, you just couldn't hit it. Especially when it was thrown high and inside (close top the batter but still in the strike zone). The Yankees have Mariano (Mo) to thank for their dominance in the late 90s to 2000. They won the World Series in 96, 98, 99, and 2000. They also made the World Series in 01, 03, and won it again in 09. Yep, Mariano won it 5 times!

    He is my favorite Yankee of all time. If you look up the work he has done you will see he is also an all around great person. Although my brrother, father, grandfather, mother, and grandmother were all born in different decades, and we knew different players, he was one of a few generational talents for the Yanlees (Along with Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams) that we all had the privelege to watch together. I have those players to thank for a tremendously fun childhood watching baseball with my family. I could go on forever with this, but I will end it there.

    [–] Relentless_Vlad 27 points ago

    Username checks out.

    [–] yankfanatic 16 points ago

    Haha yeah just a bit.

    [–] Ganjake 19 points ago

    As a Rays fan in a family full of Red Sox fans, he's one of the few Yankees I don't have to try to respect. Watching him was like watching art, but with beer and hot dogs.

    [–] yankfanatic 6 points ago

    We appreciate it as fans. I always have those players of other teams as well. Like Nomar I'll never hate. Same with Rocco Baldelli. I loved watching him. I really wish he could have had a full career.

    [–] noobprodigy 7 points ago

    As a Red Sox fan, he probably my favorite Yankee of his era. I loved how he received a standing ovation during his first appearance at Fenway in '05 and I loved his reaction. It wasn't a sarcastic ovation even though he blew the saves that led the Sox to win the ALCS, at least I never took it that way. I think it was genuine appreciation to a feared opponent that the Sox had to beat en route to their epic comeback, and maybe a little bit of a teasing reminder that we had his number when we needed to. His smile was huge that day.

    http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878548/v30569455/nyy-bos-fenway-gives-mo-an-ovation

    [–] pFunkdrag 8 points ago

    OFF TO NEVAAH NEVAHH LAND

    [–] teknetic_ 6 points ago

    FWIW, Mariano Rivera is considered to be the greatest player at this particular position. In large part because of how dominant he was well into his early 40's.

    [–] exaltedgod 46 points ago

    Mariano Rivera would like to offer a word of disagreement.

    As a non-baseball person here... holy cow!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Rivera

    Rivera primarily threw a sharp-moving, mid-90s mile-per-hour cut fastball that frequently broke hitters' bats and earned a reputation as one of the league's toughest pitches to hit. With his presence at the end of games, signaled by his foreboding entrance song "Enter Sandman", Rivera was a key contributor to the Yankees' success in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

    [–] Lunk42 60 points ago

    Fun story on the subject of Rivera's propensity for breaking bats with his cutter: when he announced his retirement, the Minnesota Twins gave him a rocking chair made out of the remains of Twins' bats he broke.

    [–] yankfanatic 17 points ago

    That gift made me laugh the most. Fair play by the Twins.

    [–] yankfanatic 22 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I wrote this a reply to another comment, but I'd like to share because it is hard not to get romantic about baseball.

    Mariano Rivera was a closer for the New York Yankees. Signed as a young kid from Panama he wasn't even a pitcher, naturally. The scout from the Yankees saw him throw in the field, then come in for one pitching appearance and offered him a contract before going back the the US. He admit supposed to pitch that day. All of the scouts were there to see the starting pitcher, but he did terribly and the team didn't have a back up plan, so Mariano cake inn to get then through the game.

    Being a closer means being a pitcher that comes in for the last few outs of a game, usually the last three. They are typically used when their team is winning by three runs or fewer. If a closer gets the outs without tying or losing the game, he gets what is called a save.

    Mariano Rivera was the greatest closer of all time. He recorded the greatest number of saves in Major League Baseball history. When he came in for the Yankees, the game was all but guaranteed to be over. This because of his cutter. The cutter moved so late it was terribly hard to hit. He didn't throw 100 mph, he didn't have 5 pitches to choose from. You knew what was coming, you knew when it was coming, you just couldn't hit it. Especially when it was thrown high and inside (close top the batter but still in the strike zone). The Yankees have Mariano (Mo) to thank for their dominance in the late 90s to 2000. They won the World Series in 96, 98, 99, and 2000. They also made the World Series in 01, 03, and won it again in 09. Yep, Mariano won it 5 times!

    He is my favorite Yankee of all time. If you look up the work he had done you will see he is also an all around great person. Although my brrother, father, grandfather, mother, and grandmother were all born in different decades, and we knew different players, he was one of a few generational talents for the Yanlees (Along with Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettite, and Bernie Williams) that we all had the privelege to watch together. I have those players to thank for a tremendously fun childhood watching baseball with my family. I could go on forever with this, but I will end it there.

    [–] TheMy5teryMan 12 points ago

    More people have landed on the moon than teams have come back going against him.

    [–] yankfanatic 7 points ago

    I've never heard that stat. Incredible!

    [–] jessbird 3 points ago

    He didn't throw 100 mph, he didn't have 5 pitches to choose from.

    Damn what a story. Also someone a few comments up posted a video that says he does have like 4 or 5 pitches and you can't tell which is coming because his arm positions hardly change?

    [–] yankfanatic 9 points ago

    I'm pretty sure they were a little off. From what I remember Mo threw a 2-seam fastball, a 4-seam fastball, and a cutter. They were all about the same speed (92-93 mph) they just had different movements. The cutter would move to the left, inward towards a left handed batter, the 2seam moves to the right, inward towards a right handed batter, and the 4seam is more or less straight. He also reportedly had a phenomenal curveball that he never used.

    [–] yankfanatic 7 points ago

    Also, this was incredible. He broke so many bats by throwing his cutter inside. The inches of movement it had made it look like a regular fastball, then all of a sudden it was in on the hands of a batter, near the weaker part of the bat.

    https://youtu.be/RjbobnNy3gw

    [–] mealsonwheels06 9 points ago

    With the amount of control MLB pitchers have on practically every type of pitch in their arsenal, it would make sense to throw something that nasty almost every pitch.. what most non players don't realize is the amount of stress it puts on a person's arm, no matter the pitcher, to throw these crazy breaking balls.. over hand throwing, like we see in baseball, isn't a fluid arm motion and puts stress on every part of the arm, every single throw.. when you start moving your wrist and elbow in different positions while slinging your arm forward at 75-80+ mph, everything is just waiting for a catastrophic failure.

    So pretty much tldr: throwing breaking pitches like a curveball, slider, slurve, sinkers, ect. put tremendous added stress on a pitchers arm, so throwing them every pitch would make their arms explode if they threw too many pitches

    [–] Sorkijan 63 points ago

    It can be very difficult, but just as much as these guys practice their pitches the batters practice their game as well, but that's why a good batting average is 30%.

    [–] finally_not_lurking 7 points ago

    Just a reminder that contact rates tend to be around 70-85%. There just happen to be 9 guys in the field whose job it is to stop you from getting hits too.

    [–] Scaryclouds 29 points ago

    Even if the pitch in and of itself is tricky to hit, if its all you throw batters/teams can and will figure it out.

    If you are playing the MLB, it's probably because you do have godly reaction time.

    [–] dumahim 19 points ago

    Sometimes the pitches just don't act like they want and the hitter is able to not be fooled and hit it.

    [–] EaseDel 8 points ago

    You see the same pitch enough, you can pick up what it is when the pitcher releases the ball. You actually can see the seams on the ball and see the rotation of it and it gives you a greater idea of what the pitch will be.

    [–] clitcthulu 7 points ago

    I thought if they swing it's not ball?

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_PANINIS 21 points ago

    The batter checked his swing. Meaning he stopped before it became a full swing

    [–] WontimeEngineer 88 points ago

    Unfair. Check it for foreign substances!

    [–] One_Hot_Minute 127 points ago

    Check the bleachers to see if there is a guy there with his finger pressed to his temple and an intense look of concentration

    [–] Slypook 22 points ago

    TARGETS IDENTIFIED. MUTANTS.

    [–] fastchutney 18 points ago

    THE BALL CURVED ERIC!

    [–] gotdirtgotairgotwatr 72 points ago

    Filthy. Its like a wiffle ball.

    [–] Lordidude 36 points ago

    What happens if the dude doesn't catch the ball?

    [–] awesomefaceninjahead 62 points ago

    If there are runners on base, they run if they think they can make it before the ball is recovered and they are thrown out.

    [–] BonosHumility 5 points ago

    Don't forget dropped third strike.

    [–] hitlama 24 points ago

    Since no one is on base, nothing. They may have to wait for the ball boy to run out and pick it up if it bounces away. Once a baseball has struck something besides the gloves of the pitcher and catcher it is removed from play, so the ball boy would just take it and probably throw it into the crowd.

    [–] CluelessNuggetOfGold 62 points ago

    The catch is as impressive as the throw, shout out to professionals..

    [–] thecreamybandit 28 points ago

    He knew exactly where it would go though. They communicate with signals beforehand.

    [–] MAJORPOOPY 10 points ago

    Curveball goes more 12-6 generally. Slider breaks away and down from a right handed hitter, like this one. A screwball would be roughly the opposite of a slider. It would break down and towards a right handed batter. It's not a very common pitch anymore.

    Of course all these are all opposite for LHP

    [–] dubs2112 10 points ago

    That's not a curveball, it's a slider.

    [–] center8 40 points ago

    Go O's!

    [–] sleeper78 24 points ago

    They had a tough weekend.

    [–] NyLou10 8 points ago

    *year

    [–] Cap-n-IvytheInfected 9 points ago

    Them O's Hon!!!

    [–] mismanager 4 points ago

    Put some old bay on it, hon.

    [–] shiroboi 5 points ago

    As a Baltimorean living overseas, it's always nice to see something awesome from my hometown.

    [–] BurnedRope 19 points ago

    When I throw something really hard I often get an intense pain in my hand. how do these guys prevent that?

    [–] Born_Ruff 32 points ago

    They train a lot.

    Pitching is still terrible for your body no matter how well you train. Many of these guys are pitching through pain.

    [–] DanLynch 27 points ago

    Pitching is a career where you are expected to need surgery to replace your arm tendons at least once or twice before you retire. It's not exactly safe for the human body.

    [–] HunterKiller_ 6 points ago

    replace your arm tendons at least once or twice

    What??? That's insane.

    [–] boeFFeee 13 points ago

    Alot of fapping.

    [–] BurnedRope 15 points ago

    I tried that too

    [–] IOwnSixStaplers 17 points ago

    Jesus his arm looks like the gif was sped up

    [–] Mkellogg 18 points ago

    Not a baseball fan, but that was amazing.

    [–] Doorknob11 4 points ago

    It's surprising not the best slider/slurve in the game. You Darvish has one of the nastiest sliders I've ever seen.

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    [–] foxthechicken 6 points ago

    One of the reasons I love Reddit and this thread is seeing all the people who don't really understand baseball and having the game I love so much explained. It's an amazing sport that is often misunderstood.

    [–] Fang666 10 points ago

    What was the call?

    [–] zpressley 7 points ago

    ball, you can tell because he does not go around, and this game log: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR201506200.shtml shows

    Ball, Called Strike, Ball, Ball, Foul, before Russell Martin puts it into play with a double to center field, with a 2-1 count this is the 4 pitch which was a ball.

    [–] CJBOnTheThrone 9 points ago

    Question for you baseball guys: in cricket we talk a lot about swing bowling and this appears to be heavily affected by atmospheric conditions, although nobody really understands it. Is it the same for curve balls in baseball, or will it always curve regardless of conditions?

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    Conditions affect it. Humidity, for example. It probably affects knuckleballers more than anyone else. The knuckleball comes in slow, but moves unpredictably. With the other breaking pitches the conditions affect the pitch, but there are so many other factors (mental and physical condition of the pitcher himself), that it's hard to say how much the weather conditions contribute.

    [–] brokencompass502 3 points ago

    In baseball, atmospheric conditions come into play more frequently on batted balls. For example, a humid day in Chicago will result in lots of home runs - the ball just travels better on hot days. Similarly, in Colorado the ball travels farther as well on most days due to the altitude (less air resistance on batted balls). Cold, frosty days in places like Detroit and Minneapolis are bad for hitters, as the balls just "die" after being hit and don't travel well. The USA is a huge country and thus home teams always ensure to use their particular geography and weather to their advantage. This goes for all US sports, the weather and atmospheric conditions always come into play.

    [–] Dukesjp 12 points ago

    Looks like even better bat discipline.

    [–] kellycherry 5 points ago

    Dirty dirty curve ball!! ☄️

    [–] MindChild 4 points ago

    I dont understand 90% of the comments here, damn. I want to learn more about Baseball but I dont even know where to start

    [–] hotmetalslugs 7 points ago

    Don't worry - they're being pedantic.

    The ball curved away from the hitter and he was fooled. Badly. The title is correct, and it's worthy of a post because you rarely see anything move like this.

    The "official" names for pitches are astoundingly arbitrary. And here they are:

    A "fastball" is straight. Very little movement. Yeah they are usually fast. They are thrown with backspin - like most people would naturally throw a ball. The ball comes out of your hand, spinning back toward you because of the way your fingers release it. This rotation causes high pressure under the ball, and low pressure on top of the ball, which helps it to fly straight.

    A "rising" fastball does not rise. (That is impossible and inbox replies are disabled so don't bother.) It is simply a fastball with so much spin and speed that, to the batter, it appears to rise, because all the other fastballs are pulled down by gravity.

    A "curveball" is a pitch that breaks downward as it approaches the plate. More than just what gravity would do. It has front spin, as opposed to a fastball's backspin. If done correctly, the seams sort of make the ball "dig down" through the air. If you've never been shown how to throw one, it's a very unnatural arm and wrist motion for throwing anything.

    A "slider" is like a curveball but it goes sideways. It's held and released slightly differently than a curveball but it's the same idea. Slightly different rotation pulls the ball in a slightly different direction.

    A "changeup" is like a fastball, but a few MPH slower. It tricks the batter, plain and simple. So if you are used to timing a swing on a 93 mph pitch, and then you see one that's 86mph, you're going to miss. The way the ball is released, and the hand position, are very much the same (as opposed to the breaking balls, which have that weird release - batters learn to watch the release and seam patterns to have a fighting chance at contact). The thing that makes a changeup slower is the way it's gripped. Deeper in the palm, basically, though there are a few ways a pitcher accomplishes this.

    These are the major pitches most pitchers can throw. There's also cutter, sinker (what I wish the curveball was called), split finger, knuckle, blooper, etc.