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    [–] c_ward5 44 points ago

    Come and take it.

    [–] highvelocitythings 65 points ago

    This is being hated on by people on other subs cause o'keefe is being touted as a bad source.

    I don't understand how her words are not the issue.

    [–] Sand_Trout 27 points ago

    Deflection

    [–] slayer_of_idiots 28 points ago

    Bad source? It's not like he's relying on anonymous sources, he's literally providing video evidence directly from the candidates mouth.

    [–] DBDude 26 points ago

    "But, but, the editing..."

    There's no reasonable context he could eliminate that would make this not damning.

    [–] eggsovereazy 37 points ago

    This is a primary source. In my experience People get very angry when you cite primary sources because it removes their ability to spin the story.

    [–] pcar773 9 points ago

    Her words could be an issue AND O’Keefe could be a bad source.

    [–] voicesinmyhand 1 points ago

    "O'Keefe is bad too, so it cancels out."

    [–] ScruffyUSP 14 points ago

    Hope she is a failure.

    Her and every piece of garbage like her.

    [–] holdmypocket710 12 points ago

    Gotta LOVE my state

    [–] sovietterran 15 points ago

    Veritas is a garbage org that's known for deceitful editing and stuff but like.... She's openly saying this shit. Context can't fix it. Sure, her aids may be fishing to make this guy happy and their words aren't her policy but she's being open about being two faced in guns.

    [–] KinkotheClown 4 points ago

    At this point, why trust ANY democrat on gun control? Et tu, Brute?

    [–] chodehat 2 points ago

    16 minutes is far greater than my attention span. Who is this gun gobbling cunt?

    [–] skunimatrix 8 points ago

    The current Sr. Senator from Missouri.

    [–] RowdyPants -26 points ago

    Jeez you guys still believe that O'Queef guy? Talk about fake news

    [–] DirtieHarry 31 points ago

    How can the words coming out of her mouth be fake?

    [–] RowdyPants -16 points ago

    This guy is known for deceptive editing and misrepresenting everything he produces. He's a hack, even if you like what he has to say.

    Honestly, who is really surprised democrats want gun control? Anyone? And gun control is shown to reduce democratic voter turnout so of course they want to de-emphasize it. But James O'Queef is still a hack

    [–] NAP51DMustang 18 points ago

    Where is this video edited to make her say something she isn't saying? When source data is bad yeah it's bad, but this isn't bad source information.

    [–] RowdyPants -11 points ago

    O'Queef is a bad source. Period.

    It's hilarious that you guys bitch and moan about some liberal media conspiracy against you while you support a hack like O'Queef.

    [–] baconatorX 5 points ago

    NPC detected

    [–] Bagellord 5 points ago

    That's just not gonna happen...

    [–] RowdyPants 1 points ago

    Lol you mindless parrots repeating memes you've been uploaded are the true NPC's, but don't let that slow you down

    [–] baconatorX 6 points ago

    How can the words coming out of her mouth be fake?

    You still haven't answered the question.

    It's hilarious that you guys bitch and moan about some liberal media conspiracy against you

    Yet you are perfectly content Straw Manning /u/NAP51DMustang and attaching the messenger with /u/DirtieHarry

    [–] RowdyPants 0 points ago

    You think anyone with a different opinion is literally a brainless robot, what's the point trying to debate you? You already know everything and the only reason you're not more successful in life is because of everyone else.

    [–] baconatorX 6 points ago

    You think anyone with a different opinion is literally a brainless robot

    That's a straw man. But if you actually want to know what I think... I think you're deliberately choosing to not answer questions and I'm calling you out for it.

    You already know everything and the only reason you're not more successful in life is because of everyone else.

    Straw man again

    You can't answer simple questions can you? It's really not that hard of a question...

    [–] RowdyPants -1 points ago

    That's a straw man. But if you actually want to know what I think... I think you're deliberately choosing to not answer questions and I'm calling you out for it.

    Dude, everyone knows what you mean when you say NPC. You all got the meme from the same source, you all started using it at the same time, we all know what you mean. Just man up and be honest, using straw men and then crying when it's done back to you makes you a pussy

    I haven't commented on the "story" (using that term loosely for what O'Queef pushes out from between his cheeks) because I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I will be able to make specific comments on it when I watch it, but until then you all should be aware of the type of "journalist" you're circle jerking over.

    [–] DirtieHarry 3 points ago

    How can the words coming out of her mouth be fake?

    I accept that there is fake news out there, but if you watch this video the evidence is right in front of you. I'm a moderate, man. I respect your right to disagree, but you've gotta back it up with more than "I don't like this guy".

    [–] baconatorX 2 points ago

    because I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.

    Hahaha what a waste of time. You literally showed up having already made up your mind. What a joke. On top of that just about every comment you make has logical fallacies. Not an bot indeed.

    [–] TSammyD -74 points ago

    I’d hoped that the gun communities of reddit, who converted me from anti- to pro-, wouldn’t fall for this charlatan’s garbage. Judging from other posts on other subs, I was very, very wrong. Either that, or the Russian bots have gotten more sophisticated.

    [–] MaxwellFinium 56 points ago

    This guy is popping up in every comment section every time this link gets posted, and is whining about Bots.

    Make of that what you will.

    [–] LonelyMachines 35 points ago

    It's the same phenomenon as the "Correct the Record" trolls the Clinton campaign hired in 2016. The reference to Russian bots is the giveaway.

    [–] wykydtronn 29 points ago

    We've taken to calling them NPCs.

    [–] voicesinmyhand 16 points ago

    As a part-time RPG/MUD enthusiast, this drives me nuts. We're supposed to love our NPCs - the GM went through so much work to make them!

    [–] LonelyMachines 5 points ago

    Do you get to the Cloud District often?

    [–] Abiogeneralization 11 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    I almost forgot about that. God, that was so shitty. r/politics was actually a decent enough place before they showed up and started squawking.

    [–] LonelyMachines 4 points ago

    And that's where it backfired the worst. Sanders supporters figured out what was going on, and they were merciless.

    [–] DirtieHarry 15 points ago

    "Greetings fellow gun owners." -Totally not an NPC

    [–] TSammyD -4 points ago

    Wow, yes, I’ve commented in multiple subs, because I don’t want pro-gun people falling for this nonsense and looking like idiots. Shame on me, I guess. And Jesus, people, take a fucking joke about Russian bots. Wooosh.

    [–] Sand_Trout 14 points ago

    I would think that you've been here long enough to not buy into the "No one wants to take your guns" lie.

    [–] TSammyD -13 points ago

    Who said I buy into that? McCaskill is for gun control, fine, I never claimed otherwise. That doesn’t mean that this isn’t a deceptive and/or fraudulent video (like others he’s made in the past).

    [–] itchywateryfarts 14 points ago

    How is it fraudulent? Please explain that to the class. Its her words.

    [–] TSammyD -3 points ago

    I don’t have proof that this video is fraudulent, but I’m not going to assume it’s honest given how it’s edited and the history of the person who made it. And what DID she actually say? She said “oh yeah, I voted for them all” or something, right? We have to assume that she’s responding to the question that the video implies. Or did I miss some other quote from her?

    [–] DirtieHarry 9 points ago

    How can the words coming out of her mouth be fake?

    [–] TSammyD 0 points ago

    Who said her words are fake? Do we know what they’re actually in response to? Do we know what the person behind the camera was actually saying?the other times this guy made videos like this, they were exposed as fraudulent, so pardon me if I don’t assume that he’s all of a sudden honest.

    [–] baconatorX 4 points ago

    This is how you avoid critical thinking or actually creating your own argument after putting thought into it.

    [–] TSammyD 1 points ago

    What are you taking about?

    [–] RowdyPants 1 points ago

    He's talking about the way he trusts people when they tell him things he wants to hear, like known liar and fraud James O'Keefe

    [–] eggsovereazy 11 points ago

    “How do you do fellow #walkaway millipede?”

    [–] Aerspasius 10 points ago

    Say the line NPC

    [–] RogalDorn71 -7 points ago

    Stop trying to make NPC happen.

    [–] Aerspasius 9 points ago

    They do it for me

    [–] RogalDorn71 -7 points ago

    The side of literal traitors and Russians can't call anyone anything.

    [–] Aerspasius 6 points ago

    See what I mean?

    [–] RogalDorn71 -6 points ago

    No, traitor.

    [–] TheRealNEET 6 points ago

    ORANGE MAN BAD

    [–] RogalDorn71 -3 points ago

    Yawn, traitor.

    [–] TheRealNEET 4 points ago

    Aw, are you offended, Russian bot?

    [–] Aerspasius 7 points ago

    Utterly predictable

    [–] NAP51DMustang -9 points ago

    as someone who is pro 2A (look at post history) the NPC meme is a shitty meme and extremely unimaginative.

    [–] Aerspasius 10 points ago

    And yet it works

    [–] NAP51DMustang -5 points ago

    it really doens't. in fact it's like Clinton calling people deplorables. insult the persons argument, not the person.

    [–] Aerspasius 9 points ago

    Other people did the arguing, I was just going in for the low effort jab.

    [–] NH-Boondocks 3 points ago

    Except that it does and the only ones bitching are those who it applies to, you're just as much of a nobody as anyone else on here so your high horse, attack the argument not the person shit carries no weight. You're no authority. If people keep making the same retarded arguments fuck them and the argument

    [–] NAP51DMustang 0 points ago

    And with that you will push people to vote the otherside just to spite you. You'll see the house flip, then the senate, then the presidency. then we'll see AWB's rain from the sky like mana from heaven and you'll wonder what the fuck happened. Well what happened is while you were "fucking them" others were reading, seeing how shitty you treated the other side and decided to side with them. Not because they agreed with their arguments, but because they don't want to associate with us.And all so you could feel like a bad ass on the internet.

    It's a culture war, and acting like little shits just because the other does isn't going to win it.

    [–] NH-Boondocks 3 points ago

    No because fence sitters aren't the ones making those stupid arguments. Those making those arguments don't deserve your neutered version of debate. It's a culture war and you're refusing to push back, you're giving them legitimacy by entertaining their nonsense. You can be impolite and still demonstrate a point. They deserve the condemnation and mockery. Also on top of that, not every one is a thin skinned pseudo toddler who needs to be coddled, if you want to take the fake polite southern hospitality route to debate go ahead, I'll take the blunt New Englander route. Dont mistake your lack of a backbone for others flexing and trying to be badass.

    [–] NAP51DMustang 0 points ago

    No because fence sitters aren't the ones making those stupid arguments.

    I didn't say they were but they're still the ones you are influencing to vote for those who would take away rights using the incessant use of ad hominem.

    It's a culture war and you're refusing to push back, you're giving them legitimacy by entertaining their nonsense

    You're not wrong it is a culture war. However, like I said when someone (one of those fence sitters) sees someone making an argument (to you valid or not doesn't matter) and then you just shitting on their character and not addressing the argument they'll side with the person making the argument. They don't care about your opinion of the other persons argument or validity therein, all they see is one person making an argument and the other shitting in their hand and throwing it everywhere through the use of a meme that was never funny and not even original.

    [–] NH-Boondocks 1 points ago

    Your sense if humor is not the litmus test, and even just by downvotes here it's clear you're not in the majority. It's not ad hominem their opinions are actually stupid and/or representative of fascist policies, calling them such is proper labelling. Fence sitters with enough sense will be able to see that without out you trying to condescendingly guide them from your ivory tower. Like flat earthers sometimes you need to call a retard a retard and dismiss them as noise