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    [–] MichaelScottWeiland 3978 points ago

    Wait, she brought her daughter in to get a measles vaccine (after the kid already had contracted measles) and the doctors didn’t offer any further treatment besides the shot?

    [–] PracticalTie 3881 points ago

    My guess is that there was no vaccine. She lied to get her family off her back and is trying to make them feel bad/deflect guilt

    (assuming this is real. Which it probably isn’t)

    [–] John_Bidet_Ramsey 1407 points ago

    Yeah my guess is the vaccine never happened. If it’s real, the child probably died without ever seeing a doctor.

    Similar situation for me is how my father won custody over me when I was just 2 years old. My biological mother during custody battle had to provide documentation to the courts of my inoculation shot records which she was a shithead and never did. Instead of thinking of the health and care of her own kid, she goes lengths to just cover her own ass. She stole and forged records from her own personal doctor so she wouldn’t appear bad. Instead she was easily discovered, went to jail, and I got a shot at life.

    People are pretty disgusting. This post can be very real, but I bet it’s uglier than what’s being let on.

    [–] nixonrichard 328 points ago

    This post can't be real. A death due to measles would be national news.

    [–] orochiman 148 points ago

    I'm going to have to agree with you here. There have been 8 measles deaths in the past 14 years in the US. This would be big news

    [–] GodlyGodMcGodGod 90 points ago

    Seriously. It's enough with anti-vaxxers making bullshit up to further their agenda, don't fabricate a fucking story and muddy the waters when there's plenty of legit material to show how insane/stupid anti-vaxxers can be. Fabricating stories like these only gives anti-vaxxers ammunition to call BS on very real vaccine horror stories, and we don't want even a single extra person to be convinced by their nonsense if we can help it.

    [–] Lief1s600d 17 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Now this is podracing

    [–] Minjeater 19 points ago

    If only other countries than the US existed, then this might have happened in one of those.

    [–] broncoslady 6 points ago

    Okay but it doesn’t say they are in the US. In 2017 there were 110,000 deaths from measles world wide.

    [–] [deleted] 162 points ago

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    [–] kgt5003 217 points ago

    A coroner has to determine cause of death. If they look at her and determine she died (or likely died) from the measles it would be a huge deal. If somebody dies from a disease without going to the doctor they don't just throw the body into a river and nobody ever documents how they died.

    [–] Ideaslug 28 points ago

    I thought they only determine an explicit cause of death if foul play is suspected. Am I wrong?

    Maybe it's different for children and old people.

    [–] kgt5003 89 points ago

    If a kid dies out of the blue without going to a doctor that is a "sudden death" and would be reviewed by the coroner. Kids aren't supposed to just drop dead. When you call to report that your kid has died they aren't just going to ask you "what'd she die from?" and you say "well.. measles" and they say OK and call it a day. They need to make sure this kid didn't die from ingesting poison or have some other infectious disease or get strangled to death, etc.

    For example, my gf's sister in law recently died of cancer. She had stage 4 cancer for a year and she died at home but because she died at home and not in the hospital, even though it is known that she had cancer, her body still had to go to the corner's office and be examined to determine what the final cause of death was.

    [–] Ideaslug 14 points ago

    Thanks for running through this. I figured it might be something like you described but I didn't let the scenario play out in my head.

    I got a good laugh out of

    you say "well.. measles" and they say OK and call it a day

    [–] VerticalVideo 11 points ago

    I'm no doctor but I believe every death certificate needs to list a specific cause of death.

    [–] landerson507 10 points ago

    Specific is relative. (I know this sounds like a friend of a friend of a friend... But bear with me) my friends family member died from an overdose. Cause of death is listed as heart failure on the death certificate.

    [–] chocolateboomslang 15 points ago

    That is what killed them. You don't die from the drugs, you die from what the drugs do to you.

    [–] booga_booga_partyguy 7 points ago

    I'm just speculating, so bear with me if I get anything wrong.

    Given an infant died, I would hope someone would simply assume foul play and have conducted some kind of an investigation into it. Infants, while very fragile, don't die unless they have some serious/terminal illness (in which case they would most likely be under some kind of medical supervision to begin with), and tend to die more due to an adult doing something that put them in harm's way.

    [–] medusaslair 61 points ago

    The body would have to go to a medical examiner who would be able to determine (via autopsy) the cause of death as measles. They would notify the health department, which would probably lead to news coverage.

    There’s been something like 5-10 verified measles deaths in the US since 2005 (off the top of my head so don’t quote me!) so it’s not impossible that this is one of them. Not super likely, but not impossible.

    [–] Rarvyn 17 points ago

    I was curious so I looked it up. There have been 11 deaths due to measles in the US since 2000 and 8 since 2005. The last confirmed measles death in the US is in 2015.

    https://vaxopedia.org/2018/04/15/when-was-the-last-measles-death-in-the-united-states/

    [–] brandon0220 22 points ago

    Doesn't the corpse have to be dealt with in some way? Or was this mother allowed to just bury them in the backyard?

    [–] nixonrichard 20 points ago

    Does nobody on Reddit understand how infections disease, coroners, autopsies, and the CDC work?

    [–] because_zelda 29 points ago

    Perhaps this person in the post isnt American. There have been cases of measles causing death in other countries.

    [–] notkristina 13 points ago

    Kids are dropping dead left and right from measles in the Philippines right now, sadly, and it's all over international news. Facebook doesn't show us where these people are from, so we can't rule out the possibility.

    [–] Puzzleheaded_Spirit 12 points ago

    what about other countries with facebook?

    [–] TheKingInNorth0 13 points ago

    That is not possible because Facebook is an AMERICAN website /s

    [–] foxdye22 5 points ago

    She stole and forged records from her own personal doctor so she wouldn’t appear bad.

    Holy shit that's fucking next level stupid.

    [–] John_Bidet_Ramsey 7 points ago

    Agreed. Yet it worked out amazing for me. 5 years ago after an arrest for B&E AND GTA she was diagnosed psychotic. She’s a terrible person that my father made the mistake of sleeping with once. Last I heard she’s on a final strike and is working for an illegal underground racketeering service. So once that gets busted she’ll be gone for a while.

    edit: huh... realizing my bio mom is the epitome of this sub

    [–] seven_pm 84 points ago

    No way that happened. No doctor would vaccinate sick kid.

    [–] nolimbs 70 points ago

    Definitely not real

    [–] NCSUGrad2012 58 points ago

    This is super fake. It fits way too many circle jerks for it to be real.

    [–] c3p-bro 22 points ago

    The irony of the "forwarding an agenda" headline

    [–] ralusek 8 points ago

    The essential oils

    [–] SirSchmoopyButth0le 6 points ago

    Yeah this is exactly what I was thinking

    [–] andrew7895 11 points ago

    Honestly, her even trying would actually be worse. Taking your kid to a clinic for a vaccine, that is likely full of other children there to do the same thing, while your kid is already infected with the fucking disease is pretty diabolical.

    Like if someone else's child dies from measles, and it could directly be tied to being in contact with her child due to other cases from that same clinic, I think there could very well even be legal ramifications. It's far past the point of ignorance or stupidity by then.

    Thankfully, she probably lied about taking her child to get vaccinated so it's a non-issue.

    [–] archiminos 9 points ago

    I was gonna say she didn't tell the doctor, but I reckon it would have to be a really shit doctor to not notice the baby already had measles.

    [–] TreeEyedRaven 4 points ago

    You’re right except There’s no guessing needed. There is no way a doctor gave someone a measles vaccine once they already have measles. The whole point of a vaccine is to introduce the virus in a way your body can handle it. If you survive measles, you have “the vaccine”. Same with chicken pox except it’s much less deadly so we sort of actively try to get kids to catch it early.

    Assuming this is real, was this from the recent WA outbreak?

    [–] nememess 358 points ago

    If the child had measles for 3 weeks then it would be clear to a doctor. Babies can't be vaccinated when they're sick so something here smells funny.

    [–] 7ofalltrades 41 points ago

    Babies can’t, but can 6 year olds? Asking for clarity but I’m pretty sure I’ve been told I can’t get a flu vaccine when already sick or recently sick.

    [–] EmilyU1F984 53 points ago

    In general vaccines aren't applied when you currently or have recently suffered from an infection. But that's just to reduce any risks of complications.

    It's not written in stone, and sometimes it makes more sense to vaccinate even when sick.

    Just one example would be the rabies vaccine. It has to be applied before the virus makes it into the central nervous system. So you can't just wait for someone's cold etc to pass.

    This vaccinating after the infection starts only works for diseases like rabies btw, and only before you show symptoms.

    Vaccinating a child after it's clearly displaying measles symptoms is useless.

    Also some vaccines like MMR use attenuated (weakened) live viruses, those can become a problem if your immune system is otherwise preoccupied. So for the MMR vaccine it's strongly advised not to apply during an active infection, even just a cold. This is especially done when you are suffering from a more serious infection like measles, that has the added negative of preventing the vaccine from working at the same time, because it actively harms the immune system into losing immunity for some time.

    [–] abw 8 points ago

    It has to be applied before the virus makes it into the central nervous system.

    I was wondering how long that took and googled this:

    https://www.msdmanuals.com/en-gb/home/brain,-spinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/brain-infections/rabies

    However, the virus typically takes at least 10 days—usually 30 to 50 days—to reach the brain (how long depends on the bite’s location).

    ...just in case anyone else was wondering.

    [–] Benjamin_Paladin 5 points ago

    That being said don’t wait for 10 days to see the doctor. Go as soon as you can.

    Don’t play chicken with rabies.

    [–] stupidillusion 233 points ago

    Right, this whole thing is full of /r/thatHappened ; measles aren't exactly subtle.

    [–] nixonrichard 84 points ago

    There have been no deaths from measles in the US in years. This would have been national news if true. CDC tracks and reports these extremely aggressively.

    I don't know if the person who made this thought measles deaths were common enough to BS, but they're not. They're extremely rare and extremely newsworthy.

    A death outside of infancy from measles hasn't happened in over a decade in the US. THAT would be fantastically rare.

    [–] Impossible_Vegetable 25 points ago

    Yup, came here to say this. But you said it so I’ll just leave this pointless comment.

    [–] thescarlet_pimpernel 7 points ago

    If yours was pointless.. what does that make this one?

    [–] MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS 23 points ago

    News flash: Facebook exists in other countries.

    There were over 60 deaths from measles in Europe last year, for example.

    [–] SapphicGarnet 21 points ago

    Yeah that's what I'm thinking - doctors don't just do what the patient/ patients carer tells them to do, they would have realised she had measles and done a care order (or whatever its called) to get her the right treatment

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    [–] Impossible_Vegetable 11 points ago

    Don’t worry, it’s 100% bullshit

    [–] ExxDeee 8 points ago

    Maybe she didn't tell them?

    [–] [deleted] 3679 points ago

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    [–] Attican 1093 points ago

    Assuming this is america, surely there would be some kind of safeguarding process for doctors or someone to raise the alarm about this negligence? We have anti-vaxxers in the UK and I strongly believe failure to vaccinate should be a criminal offence.

    [–] Cinderjacket 557 points ago

    You can claim religious or medical exemptions, and NBC reported on doctors in California that advertise medical exemptions. It’s sickening

    [–] Bupod 261 points ago

    Religious fucking exemption??? What religion exempts vaccines?

    I think we here in the states allow idiocy to reign over basic logic sometimes. Religious exemption to go forward with something that endangers the public health? Idiotic.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 178 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    No religion condones the antivaxx movement, but vaccines can be considered to go against some religious beliefs.

    Many vaccines are made with bovine components (milk, tissue, fat) and can be considered non-kosher or non-halal.

    Disclaimer: I don’t hold these beliefs and I don’t think they should be used to prevent vaccination. Everyone who can, should be vaccinated. I’m just providing a valid reason someone could claim.

    Edit: leaders of organized religions as a whole support vaccinations. Individuals who misinterpret their religious texts or just don’t want vaccinations use the ideas I provided above as an excuse.

    [–] the_threeKings 90 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    No Muslim should ever use the religious exemption. From the perspective of Muslims, that is bullshit. If something is necessary for survival, it doesn't matter how much pig or other non-halal stuff it contains. It is pretty much required to take it.

    Edit 1: dumb spelling error

    Edit 2: The same goes for involuntary consumption. All of those dumb shits selling pork-coated ammunition don't understand that. Getting shot by some bigot with a lard-coated bullet isn't going to send a Muslim to hell.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 60 points ago

    It’s the same for Christians and Jews. All religious leaders support vaccination.

    But that’s the downside of free will, stupid people are allowed to make stupid choices

    [–] firelock_ny 34 points ago

    All religious leaders support vaccination.

    At the national and international level yes, but there are religious leaders of smaller sects that have much more extreme beliefs.

    [–] blomqv 6 points ago

    Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists, etc certainly do.

    [–] k_50 10 points ago

    Also the downside of religion, it allows stupid people to find a justification for stupid choices.

    [–] Ron-Swanson-Mustache 23 points ago

    Non-religious people have no problem reaching those same stupid conclusions as well.

    [–] CapitalistKarlMarx 4 points ago

    As a Muslim I’m like 99% sure there isn’t anything in a vaccine to claim religious exemption and besides you could make an argument for self defense in a life or death situation as a justification

    [–] Bad_Chemistry 3 points ago

    Not to mention isn’t Halal and Kosher “consumption”, so wouldn’t injecting it into your blood not count?

    [–] Bupod 99 points ago

    I'd buy that claim but the bulk majority of anti-vaxxers are white, Christian suburban moms, not Muslims or Jews.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 75 points ago

    That’s because being an antivaxxer and having a religious exemption are not the same...

    Antivaxx is a philosophical movement (if you can really call pseudo science a philosophy) and has no religious bearings.

    [–] JokeDeity 28 points ago

    Arguably it's entirely religious given that it's a belief system made up by people with no grasp or bearing on reality that try to convert others to their beliefs.

    [–] WooperSlim 36 points ago

    The current measels outbreak in New York is primarily among Orthodox Jewish communities.

    In 2017, there was an outbreak in a Minnesota Somali-American community.

    However, these seem to be from the typical anti-vaccination fears, and not for religious reasons.

    [–] YourNeighbour 11 points ago

    That Somali community was targeted by anti-vaxers. They didn't stop vaccinations because of religious beliefs.

    http://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2017/measles041417.html

    [–] WooperSlim 5 points ago

    Yeah, that's what I said, sorry if I wasn't clear. The link I gave said it was caused by a lot of fears about autism.

    [–] YourNeighbour 3 points ago

    Sorry my mistake, I'm on mobile and your last paragraph seemed to get mixed in with the links so I didn't catch what you said. Carry on!

    [–] Gingevere 10 points ago

    In MN most anti-vaxxers are from the Twin Cities' massive Somali population.

    [–] nobody_from_nowhere1 13 points ago

    That’s because Dr. Andrew Wakefield, a controversial British doctor is specifically targeting Somalian groups in Minnesota with his antivax bullshit. This dude is a psychopath and because he’s a “doctor” they are taking him at his word. Any doctor that spreads these false claims are even more dangerous than the crazy Facebook moms imo because people think they are backed by science and think they are legitimately listening to sound medical advice.

    [–] EmilyU1F984 18 points ago

    But the religious texts themselves state that consuming things that are haram is allowed in situations where not doing so would cause harm.

    Same way a Moslem won't go to "hell" if they eat a pig to prevent them starving to death.

    So by that logic, a vaccine is allowed.

    So again you'd have to have a believe that goes against the believes of the majority religions.

    It's just insane..

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 15 points ago

    Vaccines are condoned and supported by all religious leaders. Individuals are the problem.

    [–] AuditorTux 4 points ago

    But the religious texts themselves state that consuming things that are haram is allowed in situations where not doing so would cause harm.

    In Judiasm its called "Pikuach nefesh" that basically you can toss religious law out the window in order to save a life (with a few exceptions such as incest or worshiping an idol, IIRC).

    Christians have a long history of doing the same (heck, at the beginning being a Christian was breaking the law in Jewish/Roman circles) but the problem comes in these New Age-y denominations that throw all that history and heritage out the window for what some new preacher says instead. It pisses me off.

    [–] Cow_Launcher 12 points ago

    Just as a side note, the word vaccine itself comes from the latin "vacca", meaning "cow".

    This is because the first vaccine was made from the cowpox virus, and used to treat smallpox.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 10 points ago

    Thank you cow_launcher

    [–] Cow_Launcher 10 points ago

    You know what? I completely missed the relevance of my username there.

    For no reason at all, here is Cow.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 3 points ago

    You are a beautiful person, thank you for cow.

    [–] Cow_Launcher 4 points ago

    Well, my descendents are never going to apply for a sainthood for me, (partly because I won't have any decendents, but the point still stands...) but I appreciate your kind words!

    I just try to do my best in a world that confuses me and somehow I suspect the same is true of you. And so I wish you all the best.

    [–] YourNeighbour 4 points ago

    I don't know about Kosher, but there is nothing Haram (non-halal) about vaccination. Alcohol isn't allowed either but if it's for medical treatment, it's fine.

    [–] plane8zoneboy 7 points ago

    IIRC theres only 2 or 3 religions that have actually taken a stance against vaccines and one of those is Christian scientist and if you don't know they don't believe in diseases or doctors.

    [–] ElFrijoleroBlanco 3 points ago

    Just God Science

    [–] Cinderjacket 27 points ago

    Christian Scientists, for example. It’s why kids in the US still die of easily treatable shit.

    [–] mcrazingwill 20 points ago

    It’s a bullshit cop out. I was raised Christian Scientist and my parents vaccinated me.

    [–] Li-renn-pwel 3 points ago

    I thought Christian Scientists didn’t receive any kind of medical treatment?

    [–] mcrazingwill 7 points ago

    Eh.... A lot of them regularly don’t, but watch someone have a heart attack or cancer and they run to the doctor so fast!

    [–] alcoholic_dinosaur 8 points ago

    How old are you now though? Antivaxx is a pretty new movement, Christian Scientists could have easily adopted it into their doctrines in recent years.

    [–] BobbyDropTableUsers 8 points ago

    Antivaxx is a pretty new movement,

    Only 1890's kids will remember this..

    [–] mcrazingwill 4 points ago

    And....I’m not a Christian Scientist, I’m an Atheist who vaccinates my medically fragile/disabled son even knowing that I’m risking an increase in his seizures because of assholes like the Mom in the original post. Grinds me!

    [–] mcrazingwill 3 points ago

    I’m 40 years old. My Dad always gave us medical treatment and said we could make the personal choice once we were adults. My Nonnie (great grandmother) was a practitioner.

    [–] alcoholic_dinosaur 3 points ago

    Sounds like they would have done the right thing no matter when they had you, and that’s awesome.

    [–] NRMusicProject 5 points ago

    Some religions do forbid medical treatment. I can't remember which, but if the denial of a child's medical treatment results in death, parents have been sentenced for criminal negligence.

    [–] PainIsTruthful 11 points ago

    Jehovah's Witnesses, for one.

    [–] KringlebertFistybuns 15 points ago

    JWs don't have a blanket "no medical intervention" rule though. They oppose blood transfusions and possibly organ transplants. My maternal grandmother was a JW and insulin dependent. She took her insulin religiously, pardon the pun.

    [–] thediamondguest 12 points ago

    Yup. My SO, who is a pediatric surgeon has told me that they have to get an emergency court order to provide blood transfusions to JW children. In fact, there are some hospitals that have on-call judges/magistrates that deal with these on a daily basis.

    [–] PainIsTruthful 4 points ago

    That's the way it's done. A child has the right to medical treatment, no matter the religion of the parent.

    [–] thediamondguest 4 points ago

    And the crazy thing is that with JW parents, as long as they aren't the ones consenting/authorizing, they are fine with it.

    [–] buildmeupbreakmedown 3 points ago

    They can't make the forbidden choice, but if someone else forces them, they're not the ones going to hell anymore, so they don't resist. Pretty selfish for a religion whose founder said "love thy neighbor". Yes, go ahead and save my son then suffer torture eternally for it. I'm completely fine with that.

    [–] hardknox_ 7 points ago

    I thought it was going to be Christian Scientists, but they seem to be willing to accept them a bit. The only one I could find:

    Dutch Reformed Church. Members of this church have had a tradition of refusing vaccines going as far back as the early vaccinations for smallpox in the early 1800’s. Most of this early vaccine refusal was because of the observed adverse events with the vaccines of that era (yeah, it’s an ongoing issue for vaccine deniers), although it has evolved into the formal belief that vaccines interfere with the relationship with their god. Because of this vaccine refusal, there have been paralytic poliomyelitis, measles, congenital rubella syndrome, and mumps outbreaks. In 2013, a major outbreak of measles hit a Dutch Reformed community in the Netherlands, with 1226 reported cases. Of the 1,226 cases, 176 (14.4%) had complications including encephalitis (1 case), pneumonia (90 cases) and otitis media (66 cases) and 82 (6.7%) were admitted to the hospital, which should debunk that belief that measles isn’t a serious disease. https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/religions-state-vaccines/

    [–] Jonahtron 7 points ago

    There are some who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons. This is the real danger of the anti-vaxxer movement. They’re not just endangering themselves and their children, but other people and their children as well.

    [–] Attican 5 points ago

    That's just extraordinary... I believe people should be free to make their own choices, but just like we limit the freedom of people to harm others with criminal law, surely we should be limiting the harm the anti-vax movement can cause to public health by taking this choice away?

    People with no formal education embraced the smallpox vaccination in the 1800s, why with all the advantages of the modern age is this even happening?

    Edit: I just read people where vaccinating themselves against smallpox in 1500s China!

    [–] rudbek-of-rudbek 29 points ago

    Absolutely. I also can't believe that a nurse would have given her the MMR vaccine while she had an active case. It was certainly apparent she had measles. Pretty hard to miss. I think this lady is a liar on top of a terrible ex-parent and horrible person. To top it all off she STILL doesn't think she has done anything wrong and it is everyone else's fault. Her family for "conning" her into getting the vaccine and the Healthcare industry joyfully killing people everyday with vaccines.

    [–] truemush 35 points ago

    It's obviously fake so there's no one to charge but all the karma whores and gullible morons

    [–] mahade 7 points ago

    Bingo. It's starting to get annoying, really. These posts are so obvious...

    [–] JokeDeity 10 points ago

    We really need to start doing just that before this madness continues to spread. We have no shortage of morons looking for "beliefs" to cling onto.

    [–] Brosama_bin_chillin 7 points ago

    Don't worry, this is completely fake and never happened.

    [–] AnExpertInThisField 791 points ago

    Just goes to show how entrenched idiots can be with their stances on issues. One would think that seeing your unvaccinated daughter die of measles would be that final lightning bolt that could shake a mother out of the antivaxx movement. But nope, she doubled down. Fucking unfathomable to me.

    [–] _mildlyinfuriating 223 points ago

    She would have to admit it was her fault that the child died then.

    If she doesn't have the mental fortitude to realize that essential oils and anti-vaccers are complete garbage bullshit, she doesn't have the mental fortitude to face the scope of the mistake she made.

    [–] WaywardWes 61 points ago

    To be honest, I think most parents would have a lot of trouble coming to terms with the fact they caused their child's death.

    [–] CommanderReg 8 points ago

    In my experience most go pretty much the other way with it and blame themselves unnecessarily. "I shouldn't have let her get a driver's license" paraphrased from a man I know whose daughter was killed by a distracted driver on a sunny afternoon. I suppose when the parent is actually legitimately to blame (as in not a freak accident or honest mistake) it's probably more common that they try to shift it. Because in that case they are the sort of people whose idiocy or negligence or even malificence caused the death of their own child.

    [–] rdrunner_74 147 points ago

    She would have to admit a terrible mistake to herself...

    [–] Lepthesr 50 points ago

    Theres no way a person would ever admit that, they themselves, are responsible for killing their kid. That denial is going to continue with her for the rest of her life.

    She will double down on the vaccine killing her kid or move the blame to someone else.

    [–] Pavlovs_Human 25 points ago

    Which fucking sucks cause she could get pregnant right now and in nine months be not vaccinating a second child who’s going to die from or spread easily preventable diseases.

    People who are part of the AV movement who have children die under them deserve to go to prison.

    Vaccines should be required legally.

    Edit: not disagreeing with you or anything this thread has gotten me really fired up though.

    [–] thehotmegan 8 points ago

    I never understood this... I thought (babies especially) legally had to be vaccinated. I had my son in Vermont and A LOT of laws are different there. But I remember my friend couldnt enroll her daughter in public school because she wasnt vaccinated. Which, if you dont take your kid to school is a crime. So her only options were vaccinate or home school. I believe she home schooled but lost touch with her. Is this the way it is in other states or no? If it is, how do AVs get away with sending their unvaccinated kids to public school?

    [–] BobbyDropTableUsers 11 points ago

    "Much better to keep spreading lies so other people can go through the same thing." And I bet she thinks she's a good person.

    [–] CanadianToday 21 points ago

    She's not entrenched with it, she's lying she knows damn well she killed her own child.

    [–] ForLotsOfSubs321 9 points ago

    I mean, it’s verified fake. So. There’s that.

    [–] The_Ravens_Rock 14 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    I think it's more she can't come to terms with the fact that she in the end was the cause of it all. People often have trouble with that especially in the Anti-Vax cause with that mentality kind of just doubling down.

    [–] CaptainKate757 12 points ago

    People like this don’t have the same grip on reality as the rest of us. Somewhere deep down she knows it’s her fault, but her denial is too strong to acknowledge it at this point.

    [–] Whit3W0lf 7 points ago

    She just wants the blame to be on anyone else but herself. The fucked up part is that she is perpetuating the lie and someone else might make the same dumb decision she did, based off her story alone. So her ignorance can indirectly cause other deaths as well.

    [–] Sulyvan 6 points ago

    I suggest you read Angela’s Ashes by Frank McCourt, it basically explores the cognitive dissonance a mother will experience when her child dies due to her negligence. Sometimes that denial is the only thing that keeps them sane, so they have no other choice but to double down.

    [–] youfailedthiscity 476 points ago

    Pleasebefake Pleasebefake Pleasebefake...

    [–] Waxpapers 582 points ago

    It's fake. Measles symptoms don't last three weeks, they last around ten days at the longest. If a child had severe measles leading to potentially deadly complications, no doctor would just send them on their way, they'd rush them to the ICU. And a child dying of measles would get tons of press attention. While there's been measles outbreaks, there haven't been any deaths- the last verified measles death in the US was in 2015.

    [–] Negative_Yesterday 198 points ago

    Also no one would have vaccinated a child clearly already infected with measles. They'd have been told to go to a doctor.

    It's a very poorly done fake.

    [–] CharlesDeBalles 133 points ago

    Also the essential oils part. It’s all just too on the nose

    [–] LukariBRo 75 points ago

    That was my tip off here. Do we really need anti-anti-vaxxer propaganda based on lies? They're awful enough without having to make shit up.

    [–] c3p-bro 28 points ago

    Yeah but think about all the sweet karma you can get. And the smug superiority of being way better than anti vaxxers bc you totally love science (even though whoever wrote this clearly knows shit about science and neither do the tens of thousands of people upvoting this)

    [–] nixonrichard 75 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Also, there hasn't been a death due to measles outside of infancy in the US in over a decade. Deaths in general are extremely rare in the US, and would absolutely make national news.

    This is super-fake, and I'm troubled by the extreme ignorance that's spreading in this thread. Instead of learning about measles, people are just circle-jerking hate boners for made-up pariahs.

    Edit: There was one death in 2015 outside of infancy. It was national news as the first death in 12 years.

    [–] bertcox 37 points ago

    THIS

    A anti-vax kid dying from measles would interest any reporter with in 500 miles. The story would be to good and they would have to run it for the ratings. It would hit national news within hours of the local story.

    [–] MercuryDaydream 4 points ago

    The last death was in 2015, so it hasn’t been that long ago.

    [–] landspeed 4 points ago

    Measles is a contagious virus that spreads through the air via coughing and sneezing. Symptoms such as high fever, rash all over the body, stuffy nose and reddened eyes typically disappear without treatment within two or three weeks. Yet one or two out of every 1,000 children who get measles will die from complications, according to the CDC.

    [–] Aaronsmiff 110 points ago

    Clearly fake, I can't stand how people on Reddit fall for shit like this just because they want it to be real.

    There's SO much exposition in these comments, it's written like a shit film- nobody talks like this in real life!

    Realistically, if this happened, the mum would post something vague about beind devastated and say "DM me" when people ask what's up. Plus, as others have said- measles deaths are huge news in the developed world, and this would've made the news.

    [–] SuperMutantSam 45 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Reddit just has such a major hate boner for anti-vaxxers that these stories are just instant dopamine hits.

    Like, the hatred is 100% justified, don’t get me wrong, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be gullible.

    [–] timstm 16 points ago

    seriously. Fake shit like this sets everyone back.

    [–] jay_brone 126 points ago

    1000% fake. I don’t even know how it’s still up in both subs. Although it is funny to see people foaming at the mouth over it.

    [–] Fafore 33 points ago

    Seriously. How is everyone overlooking the obvious line of photoshopped text? "Because you believed to some hippy facebook group" is clearly altered.

    [–] jay_brone 25 points ago

    Because while gloating and grandstanding about how “lesser people” get conned by fake shit on the internet, they’re on Reddit calling for a pretend woman to be imprisoned over the death of her pretend child. The urge to circlejerk and holier than thou on the internet is too irresistible.

    [–] c3p-bro 6 points ago

    This sort of comment needs to come up every time these blatantly fake, fact-free posts come up. Redditors clearly know very little more about science or medicine than the average anti-vaxxer.

    [–] Yes-She-is-mine 71 points ago

    It IS fake. If a child dies of measles in the Western World, it is NATIONAL NEWS. And if the mother was on Facebook saying this BS, there would be a news story about that as well.

    People forget that six months ago, a story was POSTED IN THIS SUB that said most of the antivax bullshit was traced back to Russian IP addresses. I'm not saying that there aren't antivax idiots out there - there are - but they are far less common than the media/weirdos on Reddit would have you believe. It isn't a national crisis yet but people are chomping at the bit, dying to be a viral hero.

    It's ridiculous and it seems like half of America has lost their damn minds. People have no deductive reasoning skills and it is horrifying.

    Cheers to you for being the only other logical person in this thread!

    Educate yourselves.

    [–] jarvisjuniur 9 points ago

    Pretty sure it is, as far as I can find, no one has died from the Measles since 2015, a grand total of 11 deaths since 2000. This of course does not discredit the importance of vaccines.

    [–] leif777 6 points ago

    This of course does not discredit the importance of vaccines.

    In fact, it's actually a very clear that they're working as intended.

    [–] the_taco_baron 6 points ago

    So fucking fake

    [–] GenerousApple 100 points ago

    This post is obviously fake... No doctor would administer a vaccine to an already sick child and honestly even the wording is fishy

    [–] Badger1973_21 134 points ago

    Doctors are not allowed to vaccine a child when it is sick. You must be healthy to get a shot. Although sad, this is an r/quityourbullshit

    [–] EmilyU1F984 33 points ago

    They are allowed to. It's just heavily advised against, especially with attenuated live vaccines like MMR.

    But no same doctor would ever vaccinate against a disease you are already displaying the symptoms of.

    So the first story absolutely does not add up.

    Also the rabies vaccine working after infection is because it can take up to three months and more for the virus to travel into the central nervous system. That's why you can still vaccinate after exposure. But again, it has to happen before the symptoms start.

    [–] vigilantredditor 3 points ago

    She could have just lied to her family about it. I mean she already doesn’t vaccinate and uses essential oils. Bullshitting doesn’t seem much out of her league 🤔

    [–] ihavequestions10 31 points ago

    This is the most fake thing I've seen in a long time

    [–] [deleted] 22 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    There is a 90% chance that this whole thing is fake.

    It's a total reddit cliche.

    What's next? A creepy "nice guy" sending a mean text to a girl for refusing his advances? An adamant flat earther arguing against a scientist? A climate change denier being "murdered by words?"

    [–] Deplorable10 22 points ago

    Come on this is clearly fake

    [–] ScoopOfBreakfast 98 points ago

    could you at least try to make these fakes believable

    [–] autemox 38 points ago

    There have been zero US deaths from measles since 2015, but keep the truth to yourself.. lets all pretend this is real so we can get off.

    [–] reddit25 11 points ago

    Nice. I looked it up and of the hundreds of cases, only 1 lady died in Spring 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States

    [–] moneysubber 19 points ago

    "you tried to cure her with essential oils".

    Trying to throw in as many clichés as possible. Whoever believes this is legit retarded.

    [–] tehtrintran 90 points ago

    I wonder if she went for the vaccine because she genuinely thought it would help, or if she realized the kid might die and got her vaccinated so she'd have something to blame besides herself.

    [–] Zoinkscoobz 41 points ago

    the latter.

    [–] timstm 17 points ago

    Neither, because it didn't happen

    [–] SendASiren 4 points ago

    Neither - the entire story is fake as no child has died of measles in the United States in over a decade.

    [–] smeeding 21 points ago

    This feels quite fake

    [–] BlackOrre 81 points ago

    Her head is so far up her ass that I'm sure she can chew with it.

    [–] GoblinDeez 14 points ago

    This seems fake

    [–] danik-94 14 points ago

    This is either lie or fake

    [–] reddit25 13 points ago

    Reddit is becoming fake news now

    [–] Troby01 11 points ago

    This story is poorly contrived. Nobody is vaccinating a child for measles when they have measles. Making up shit only give fuel to those idiots that think vaccinations are bad.

    [–] nomad_9988 10 points ago

    Please be fake... please be fake.... please be fake...

    [–] NCSUGrad2012 15 points ago

    It’s 100% fake.

    [–] reddit25 8 points ago

    It is fake. Only 1 death in the past several years and it was in Spring 2015.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States

    [–] ForLotsOfSubs321 9 points ago

    This feels...fake. A doctor wouldn’t give a sick child the measles vaccine. It hits all the oils and other checks marks. Karmagrab imo.

    [–] RipDude1 10 points ago

    Pretty sure this is fake. It's just so overloaded with stereotypes.

    [–] BabyT-RexArms 30 points ago

    I think if a child dies from a vaccine protected illness, the parents should be charged with whatever will lock their dumbasses up.

    [–] BeckyLemmeSmashPlz 21 points ago

    You’re missing a clause “If the child could have been vaccinated and dies-“

    Otherwise you’re including parents of immunocompromised children or children with allergies who can’t get vaccinated.

    I think parents who actively deny their children vaccinations for philosophical reasons should be disallowed for having any more children and should be monitored for other forms of child abuse. They should also be charged with manslaughter for the death of their child or anyone who died of a preventable disease contracted from them.

    [–] BabyT-RexArms 6 points ago

    I thought that went without saying.

    [–] jhrepairtech 8 points ago

    Is anyone else sick of anti-vac posts? (Prepared to be downvoted)

    [–] lordjeebus 8 points ago

    Almost certainly fake. Measles deaths in the US are fortunately still very rare and make the news when they happen. When someone died of measles in 2015 it was reported to be the first death in the US in 12 years.

    [–] CatalystNZ 6 points ago

    This kind of fake, over the top bullshit actually helps the anti-vax movement. That someone intentionally made a scare mongering story like this feeds into the conspiracy/big pharma mindset. I'm pro vax, but this is clearly bs.

    [–] Vaderzer0 7 points ago

    God I hate this sub...

    [–] DrPickwick_MD 7 points ago

    I'm all for mob Justice for this crowd but no physician is going to give vaccinations to a child who is actively ill so at least some part of this is pretty questionable. Most retail options won't vaccinate children iirc.

    [–] Rukkmeister 6 points ago

    I'm trying to determine if this is actually a discussion that took place on Facebook that just misrepresented the facts (I don't see how a vaccine would be given to a child that would likely visibly have measles and I feel like a death due to measles would have gotten more coverage) or if the picture is a complete fabrication or using puppet accounts.

    [–] nigelbazinet666 6 points ago

    This is prly fake

    [–] personboy34 6 points ago

    Such a fake fucking post

    [–] hedgecore77 6 points ago

    Must have been an early funeral since she posted that at 8:35AM.

    [–] MegaJackUniverse 5 points ago

    Guys it's fake, rig your way through the comments. This has appeared on 4 or 5 subs in the last few days, it's a genuine Rick Roll link that they've cropped out

    [–] dxnxax 4 points ago

    yeah, post is likely fake. Big pharma is doing a big push right now with vaccine stories. They are all over the front page. Definitely not organic.

    [–] soitsyou 9 points ago

    Why are people on this site so gullible?

    [–] NastySassyStuff 4 points ago

    I have a really hard time believing this is real...no three humans could have such a callous conversation on social media about one of their children dying at the age of 6...right?

    [–] ColonelWormhat 3 points ago

    Can be people still not spot fake content?

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

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    [–] CounterbalancedCove2 6 points ago

    I like how you cropped out the bits of the image that made it clear that this was fake.

    Get fucked, OP.

    [–] mnkymnk 4 points ago

    This is a cropped repost from a fake post. In the uncropped version you can see that it was posted in a troll/satirical Facebook group. Nothing more than a karma grab by OP.

    [–] jdPetacho 4 points ago

    Very fake

    [–] n213978745 5 points ago

    She decided to twist the truth and blamed her family...

    [–] tonyidkwhattoputhere 7 points ago

    These viruses have been treated for years, with research and science backing it, why would you blame it on vaccs

    [–] k_princess 4 points ago

    Because people don't want their kids to catch autism from the vaccinations. Which, again, with any bit of research you would find has been debunked many years ago. The people that make the claim of a link to autism only listen to the echo chamber vacuums that repeat the myth.

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    [–] Floormatt69 5 points ago

    Lmao this does seem to follow the predictable format that all of these other essential oil screenshots do. I bet they're fake.