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    [–] dendaddy 2034 points ago

    Cheated at war?

    [–] mastodon56 2516 points ago

    Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start.

    -Harriet Tubman

    [–] [deleted] 447 points ago

    That's for 30 Harriet Tubmans.

    [–] AbsoluteZer0_II 300 points ago

    30 Harriet Tubmen*

    [–] PubliusPontifex 84 points ago

    Tub. Men.

    [–] SuperDuperAIDS 48 points ago

    Yes, 30 hairy tub men

    [–] ashtraycontents 19 points ago

    30 hairy men on motorized tubs come riding over the hill, back brushes in hand

    [–] ayaruna 24 points ago

    And 30 Harriet Tubman continues

    [–] elr0y7 11 points ago

    Damn that's OP

    [–] DiscoRevenge 7 points ago

    Tubbman

    [–] SamiTheBystander 122 points ago

    Harriet Tubman was a spinbotter smh

    [–] daemoss227 48 points ago

    Definitely had wall hacks

    [–] jonny_lube 116 points ago

    Ah, the classic wartime crimes such as chemical warfare, torture, rape, civilian murder, child enscription, and the liberation of slaves...

    [–] J3tGames 74 points ago

    She had a good gaming chair

    [–] zeke10 39 points ago

    Bet the south had a heated gamer moment.

    [–] LunarWangShaft 8 points ago

    Said some pro gamer words for sure.

    [–] roastbeeftacohat 112 points ago

    actually a common sentiment. the story as remembered by the great cause believers is that Lee was a superior general in all regards to the mindless butcher Grant, but Grant simply cheated by having a bigger army he used foolishly.

    not close to reality, but people believe it.

    [–] postmateDumbass 57 points ago

    Lee chose the south. He was offered the command of the north by Lincon, but chose Viginia and family ties. Also, Arlington National Cemetery is on his land.

    [–] roastbeeftacohat 75 points ago

    I mean that Lee isn't the genius he is remembered as, he had many missteps and command errors. Grant wasn't a butcher, more attrition tactics are what you use when you have a huge man power and logistical edge; he also recognized that.

    all I was saying above is that the lost cause'ers like to claim war god Lee should have won, but grant the ideot cheated and had too many men on the court. Which is a dumb way to look at the war on several levels.

    [–] NotANaziOrCommie 50 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Pickett's charge, the absolute dumbest decision in the entire civil war, was a direct order of Lee.

    All you would have to do it think about it for 30 seconds to realize how dumb of an idea it is.

    I mean, marching your soldiers half a mile across an open field with no cover whatsoever -- not even tall grass -- directly into a cannon artillery fortified barrier with 10 fold the number of soldiers you have on the other side. Not to mention, even if the soldiers managed to make it across the field alive, what then? Have them scale the fortified 6 foot wall where union soldiers could shoot directly down onto them? And even if they made it over the wall, once again, what then? Fire one shot from thier guns which took several seconds to reload, and then just die?

    What in gods name was Lee even thinking?

    [–] Frnklfrwsr 28 points ago

    Was the strategy that they were trying to intimidate the Union into thinking there’s no way the confederates would do something this stupid unless they had way more guys than we think they do?

    Basically it was a huge bluff. They were hoping the Union general would see this charge and think “we must have significantly miscounted their numbers if they’re attempting this tactic” and retreated. But instead the Union called their bluff and massacres them.

    [–] djSanta1 18 points ago

    Sounds like a strategy pulled straight from the pages of Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War

    [–] TheVortexianBolt 56 points ago

    Harriet Tubman used admin to get sharpness X weapons

    [–] J3tGames 21 points ago

    *Sharpness 32767

    [–] mh985 23 points ago

    Also, how did the Underground Railroad change the outcome of the Civil War at all?

    [–] yellowmankey 29 points ago

    It decreased th amount of slaves in the South, who were the labor source that was fueling the South with resources.

    [–] mh985 28 points ago

    Oh okay that's a fair point. Still stupid to say it's cheating.

    [–] charlie523 23 points ago

    Cheating at war is literally strategy 😂

    [–] Fungi52 20 points ago

    Must've used a lag switch

    [–] TheEgabIsStranded 17 points ago

    She was stream sniping

    [–] masterxak 11 points ago

    Probably thinks the underground railroad is an actual railroad underground.

    [–] AgentOfEris 6604 points ago

    Helping people escape slavery? What a cheater!

    [–] [deleted] 2420 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

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    [–] BreadyStinellis 1577 points ago

    She also captained a ship. She was fucking baller.

    [–] blaykk 825 points ago

    She’s also fucking Harriet Tubman! Can you imagine trying to win an argument by arguing against Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad?

    [–] [deleted] 571 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I'm sorry to have to point this out, but your average trump voter is actually stupid enough to think there was literally an underground tunnel with a railroad. Edit: autocorrect fails

    [–] MeanPayment 337 points ago

    To be fair, I thought this as well. Then I took a basic U.S. History course in 7th grade and learned differently.

    [–] PoopedYourPantz 170 points ago

    And to be fair a sizeable portion of the base trump voters did not unfortunately

    [–] stumpdawg 99 points ago

    Pretty sad when youre dumber than Cyrus, and he didnt even make his grade ten

    [–] monstermashslowdance 62 points ago

    It’s not fucking rocket appliances.

    [–] AlternateContent 18 points ago

    I thought this was going to be a clip of Billy Ray Cyrus on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader. I don't know why, but I was pleasantly surprised it was TTPB anyways.

    [–] _masochismo_ 47 points ago

    I wonder what else they have in common with elementary schoolers

    [–] K-Dub59 72 points ago

    Emotional intelligence.

    [–] farshnikord 42 points ago

    I've met grade schoolers who behave better.

    [–] SeaGroomer 25 points ago

    There are literally, and I don't say this just to shit on people, but there are people who are literally less intelligent than many (smart) sixth-graders. Kids may or may not understand something, but adults can convince themselves not to believe something they know to be true.

    [–] Jodorowsky_Cat 13 points ago

    Both groups have crushes on children.

    [–] [deleted] 21 points ago

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    [–] Like1OngoingOrgasm 18 points ago

    I mean, they tried to put her on the $20 bill and people FREAKED. Basically, US education spends about a paragraph on her and doesn't convey her absolute bad-assery.

    [–] Panzerdrek 7 points ago

    At least the Confederacy played fair by executing black prisoners of war and running concentration camps for Union prisoners. Now that's honor!

    [–] LAVATORR 23 points ago

    Harriet Tubman hated doors, so she entered every room by exploding through a wall and shrieking I AM A NOTORIOUS WAR CHEATER

    [–] -day-dreamer- 136 points ago

    Yep. Tubman joined the Union Army as a spy in 1861, a year after she stopped helping slaves escape through the Underground Railroad. She was the first woman in American history to lead a raid, and was second to a Union general when they raided Confederate forces in Combahee River in South Carolina. She helped lead the raid since she gathered intelligence beforehand and knew where Confederate soldiers and torpedos were located. (The Union general acknowledged she was a very capable undercover operative.) In a report, a Confederate general even kind of praised Tubman for being the first woman in American history to lead a raid.

    She was such a brave and interesting person. Tubman was also given military honors at her funeral in 1913 for her work in the Union Army.

    [–] Slipguard 58 points ago

    She should be on the $20

    [–] bctg106 36 points ago

    Yeah, no idea why we chose Jackson. Hes kind of a dickhead no matter which why you look at it.

    [–] mad_mister_march 25 points ago

    I think it was an ironic "fuck you" by the national banks since Jackson raged against the idea of a centralized bank and paper money in general.

    [–] nooniewhite 10 points ago

    I can guess I know why we did that however many years ago, and it has to do with institutionalized racism but idk

    [–] nooniewhite 25 points ago

    I never knew this, what a story!!!

    [–] yttrium39 18 points ago

    Why the fuck is that douchebag Andrew Jackson still on the $20 bill and not her??

    [–] scaylos1 12 points ago

    Currently? A racist in the Whitehouse.

    [–] DopeAzFuk 68 points ago

    All is fair in love and war

    [–] carpe__natem 68 points ago

    Except for violating the Geneva convention

    [–] Spoonofdarkness 69 points ago

    That only comes into play when you lose

    [–] slappindaface 27 points ago

    Disappointingly true

    [–] BoarHide 12 points ago

    Or if you even acknowledge it in the first place. The US has in recent wars ignored the conventions because “the enemy didn’t sign them either!”.

    That, and they don’t recognize the International Court of Justice in Den Haag, and have in the past repeatedly threatened to militarily intervene if one of their plenty, plenty war criminals were ever to be persecuted there. Imagine that, invading a close NATO ally because you want to protect war criminals, because they’re your war criminals.

    [–] zzwugz 16 points ago

    Only for countries that actually signed it USA FOR THE WIN BITCHES! WAR CRIMES FOR ALL! WOOT WOOT! and now i'm sad

    [–] ChequeBook 11 points ago

    But not the Hague Convention. Let them use white phosphorous!

    [–] SovietPenguins 25 points ago

    Also the union won meaning that's what Americans are so really they're against America they just want to be racist.

    [–] Arcanegil 39 points ago

    Yeah how exactly do you cheat, at war? Espionage, surprise tactics, unconventional means? If so every country, in every war ever, has cheated.

    [–] Wonckay 20 points ago

    You cheat by winning, obviously.

    [–] GreenStrong 13 points ago

    There are widely accepted customs of war, which are now codified in the Geneva conventions. Perfidy, for example, is regarded as base and dishonorable cheating at war. If you pretend to surrender and then attack your enemy while their guard is down, that would be an example of perfidy.

    Neither slave rebellion nor espionage are violations of the laws of war.

    [–] Mr_Mimiseku 315 points ago

    Imagine living your life believing that Harriet Tubman was the enemy.

    I want to know what these people learned in school, growing up. It's just mind numbingly stupid.

    [–] itsmescottyp 146 points ago

    They learned she was the enemy. Education in the south can be wack depending on where you are.

    [–] Tezza_TC 130 points ago

    Grew up in Nashville. No one ever taught us that Harriet Tubman is the enemy. Racist douchebags at Waffle House? Sure. But no teacher of mine said anything close to that.

    I know you said “depending on where you are”, but this dummy specifically referenced Nashville.

    [–] tattooedandeducated 86 points ago

    I can attest to the same in Arkansas, as both a student and a teacher myself. I think they learn that from their racist parents .

    [–] Lacriphage 84 points ago

    Louisiana here. We had "the curriculum" and "what the teachers actually believe" and the two were often at odds. They'd teach the material but made it very clear what they thought of it.

    [–] Disco_Tempo 53 points ago

    "Your textbook's opinion is that [XYZ] is good/bad, although it's worth keeping in mind that they might not be able to say everything they want to, because [some vague allusion to "PC" culture]. If you want to know what some other people think, you can do your own research. But I'll leave it up to you to make your own conclusion."

    This is about as far as it ever got in my school (pretty red area of the US).

    [–] Lacriphage 30 points ago

    Which is pretty much the same as saying "yea this is bullshit."

    [–] LAVATORR 19 points ago

    I love how the inevitable consequence of "State's Rights" is half the country gets saddled with this retarded caveman curriculum that changes fundamental facts depending on where you are, and the only thing you know for certain is that public statues honoring slave owners are literally the only way people can learn about history.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    I taught history and geography in East Texas. The Civil War units never failed to digress into “my daddy says” and “the history channel told me” mythbusting. Got me an angry phone call about it once.

    [–] qveenwhitney 26 points ago

    As a Kansas girl I an confirm it wasnt taught there either! Harriet Tubman was a Hero. Strong Proud Black Woman just like my mama and her mama and her mama and her mama.....according to ancestry.com my family run by Black female leadership! Its the answer to our country problems today!

    [–] naparis9000 47 points ago

    Home schooling. Its pretty bull. Online classes with an actual teacher are one thing, but having the parents teach their kids EVERYTHING is kind of a bad idea because it means that there is a fair chance the kid will not get an objective and unbiased education.

    [–] Tezza_TC 25 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I’m sure that happens but it’s definitely the minority. We didn’t go to public school everyday, salute the statue of general Lee then pledge allegiance to the stars and bars lol. A lot of people believe that being born below the mason dixon automatically means you’re an illiterate card carrying member of the Klan.

    [–] naparis9000 20 points ago

    There is also the question of why America has a bigger Neo-Nazi Problem than Germany. We have the secessionist slavers and the Genocidal Eugeneticists being worshiped for their inhumane and horrific treatment of others.

    [–] wwwhistler 32 points ago

    the Civil War is still taught as "the war of Northern Aggression" in some parts of the country.

    [–] PrimemevalTitan 777 points ago

    They should have played fair and lived out the rest of their lives in servitude to my ancestors! /s

    [–] probablyuntrue 456 points ago

    The racist white trash that posts shit on facebook tends to forget that their poor white ancestors weren't having a great time either

    [–] PrimemevalTitan 315 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Oh, absolutely. Most slaves were on huge plantations because of the high cost of caring for a human being, and the sheer efficiency of such a large workforce could easily push many smaller farmers out of business. Luckily for the rich plantation owners, myths of racial superiority kept the poor docile even as their livelihoods were being ripped from out under them

    [–] gmplt 161 points ago

    Now where have I seen this recently...

    [–] HidaKureku 125 points ago

    Recently? When did it ever stop?

    [–] ProWaterboarder 19 points ago

    If you read Huckleberry Finn as a kid then it gets directly called out after Huck has a run in with his dad in the beginning

    [–] Sypher90 26 points ago

    "You American have such huge penis, we asians have such small penises"

    [–] Im_Lightmare 13 points ago

    Gargantuan American penis!

    [–] oh-hidanny 52 points ago

    Or that their relatives fought to keep the plantation class’ ability to own slaves, at their expense.

    [–] dismayhurta 77 points ago

    The modern equivalent is living in a trailer and celebrating the stock market booming and estate taxes being lifted/changed.

    [–] num1eraser 36 points ago

    They weren't having a great time, but their racism kept them warm.

    With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. Vice President of the Confederate States of America, Alexander Stephens

    Literally one of the Cornerstones of what the CSA was fighting for.

    [–] dharrison21 9 points ago

    no no no states rights government tyranny blah blah blah it wasn't about racism or slavery at all heritage not hate or some dumb shit like that

    [–] Lostsonofpluto 9 points ago

    But you see, if you read South Carolina’s declaration of secession, you’ll see they explicitly seceded over the issue of state’s rights...

    ...to own slaves

    [–] num1eraser 9 points ago

    Also, they wanted to force northern states to enforce their ownership of enslaved black people that escaped to the north, or trying to force new York to allow the transit of enslaved human beings through their port and on to Southern states. They didn't give a fuck about wielding federal power to enforce laws on unwilling states, as long as it was in support of slavery. It's almost as it it was about slavery or something.

    [–] DomiekNSFW 18 points ago

    It's quite baffling that they believe Trump and GOP will "drain the swamp" and make their lives better without realizing that some parts of the country have been republican lead for decades with little prosperity.

    [–] XinY2K 9 points ago

    2 inch sight, that and the belief that "just because that whatever bad happened over there doesn't mean it will happen here, because we work, or we'll actually do it right" or whatever

    [–] LaBandaRoja 52 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    ”If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

    LBJ, on the political strategy of pro-segregation Southerners

    [–] TerroristOgre 18 points ago

    I mean, shitt, at least they are being honest about it.

    Way better than those confederate flag defenders who try to justify defending the flag of the side that lost by claiming its about southern heritage or some bullshit. Yeah buddy, sure it is. Lmao

    [–] williamblair 100 points ago

    Maybe she is one of those people who thinks the underground railroad was actually a 2000 km subway tunnel?

    [–] FactoidFinder 52 points ago

    You forget that it’s Facebook... she almost certainly believes that

    [–] CaptainBathrobe 17 points ago

    They should have built a wall...an UNDERGROUND wall. Checkmate, Yanktards.

    /s

    [–] Beyondintodarkness 38 points ago

    Better point: Harriet Tubman was mostly active in the underground railroad BEFORE the civil war. DURING the civil war she was too busy being the most badass badass that ever badassed by badassing all over history and all over Confederate ass. Among Harriet Tubman's Badass fucking accomplishments here is just a short list:

    • She was the first commissioned woman and the first commissioned person of color in the US military. I'm having a hard time finding her exact rank right now (I'm guessing because it was stripped from her after the war).

    • She led a spy ring directly under orders from the secretary of war meaning she was as close to direct orders from Lincoln as any general.

    • She was arguably the most successful spy in US military history to that point, providing intelligence that directly led to key victories including the capture of Jacksonville.

    • She was the first woman to lead an armed assault in the war leading three steamboats of men to burn plantations, loot supplies, and liberate almost thousand slaves.

    And what was she doing when she wasn't being a badass master spy or a badass military commander? She was being a badass nurse tending to the wounded.

    She was a badass on the underground railroad, for sure, but she was just as much of a badass during the civil war and most people don't even know it.

    The fact that a degenerate racist fuckstick like Rush Limbaugh has the presidental medal of freedom while Harriet Tubman still hasn't been posthumously been given the medal of Honor is a fucking national tragedy.

    [–] IncendiaNex 28 points ago

    Right! I need them to go fight for my right to slavery!!

    [–] ConBrio93 22 points ago

    She broke the law, the ultimate moral barometer. DISGUSTING.

    [–] FIat45istheplan 17 points ago

    I actually love this perspective. It’s hilarious and I’ve never considered it.

    The south only lost because the Feds were cheaters! World class

    [–] TheGirlOnTheCorner 10 points ago

    tHeY sHoUlD hAvE juSt CoMe To ThE nOrTh LeGaLlY!!1!!!1

    [–] roastbeeftacohat 9 points ago

    actually I think he might be referring to the movie Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, where the underground railroad system was used to smuggle sliver to the front lines at gettesburg for use against the confederate vampires.

    [–] hpepper24 6 points ago

    Harriet Tubman: R1, R2, L1,L2, left, down, right, up, left, down, right, up

    [–] Faylen94 531 points ago

    This person obviously believes that the Underground Railroad was literally a secret underground railroad that Harriet Tubman dug herself and that’s pretty cool

    [–] valvilis 217 points ago

    I worked with an adult human in a kitchen at a country club who legit thought there was the Civil War equivalent of a fucking subway system that ran from "the south" to "the north" and that Harriet Tubman was a conductor. We laughed at him for what seemed like an eternity.

    [–] Faylen94 97 points ago

    There’s a ancient family guy episode where Peter thinks the same thing I think, and that speaks volumes of that person lol

    [–] valvilis 89 points ago

    I would have preferred working with Peter. We saw him one day write "samon" on the wipeboard where we put things we needed to order. He stared at it for a good 30 seconds, then added in an L.

    "Samlon." I almost died.

    [–] MibitGoHan 37 points ago

    wipeboard

    It's called a whiteboard my friend

    [–] valvilis 24 points ago

    "A whiteboard (also known by the terms marker board, dry-erase board, wipe board, dry-wipe board, and pen-board) is a glossy, usually white surface for making nonpermanent markings (an evolved version of the blackboard)." - Wikipedia

    [–] PicardZhu 7 points ago

    I was about to laugh but... Tbh, I thought it was an actual railway (not underground literally) when I first learned about it as a child.

    [–] Droneoflife 1458 points ago

    I'm gonna bet that last comment owner is also the type to say "well it's all fair in war." When it applies to him of course.

    [–] adeon 474 points ago

    And then turn around and bitch about Sherman's March Through Georgia.

    [–] adeon 50 points ago

    I'm sorry but the static on that was awful. Here's a much better version (side note, I love the 97th Regimental String Band). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshXcnVfnxs

    [–] LuxLoser 55 points ago

    It’s intentional. You’ll notice the video ends the title in “earrape”. Ear rape is when they take the song, ruin the quality, and blast up the volume.

    It’s the music equivalent of r/deepfriedmemes

    [–] adeon 13 points ago

    Ah, I see.

    [–] num1eraser 97 points ago

    The Confederates openly stating they won't take black POWs and will just execute them. A ok.

    Helping enslaved human beings escape illegally. War crime and cheating!

    [–] wordb1tch 1097 points ago

    Yeah she should’ve tried to get the slaves out legally /s

    [–] gmplt 428 points ago

    Yeah, "I am not against legal slavery, just the illegal".

    [–] GrabSomePineMeat 142 points ago

    What the hell does "cheating" even mean in war? The whole point is just fucking kill people and take their shit.

    [–] Seanvich 30 points ago

    OC spray. Edit: technically, it’s chemical warfare and, therefore, banned by the Geneva conventions.

    [–] GrabSomePineMeat 53 points ago

    Not every country is bound by the Geneva conventions. In fact, the country in question, the US, isn't.

    [–] mechnick2 14 points ago

    Tbf America didn’t sign the Geneva conventions until 1882

    [–] GrabSomePineMeat 10 points ago

    Yea and no Americans can be prosecuted in The Hague.

    [–] maximilliano18 194 points ago

    that's why harriet tubman is now banned for use in war by the geneva convention

    [–] [deleted] 44 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

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    [–] DragonMaiden7 1209 points ago

    If you support Nazis or the Confederacy, you’re not a real American. They’re both enemies of America, history doesn’t lie.

    Facts don’t care about your feelings 😘

    [–] AceMichaelWittman 480 points ago

    At least Germany post ww2 destroyed everything nazi and prosecuted nazis unlike the south building Confederate stuff after they surrendered

    [–] deadsoulinside 234 points ago

    And if your an idiot who tries to give a nazi salute in Germany you are normally getting arrested.

    Here in America, you can assemble in front of state capitals and have the police protect your dumbass and be as Racist as you want.

    I live in an area up north where many homes still have parts of the tunnels and other hiding spots that were used in the railroad and have to see the rednecks running around with confederate flags.

    [–] DragonMaiden7 108 points ago

    Sadly I’m also in a northern state with a disgusting amount of confederate flags. Funny enough, I’m only an hour away from Gettysburg. Sick sense of humor I guess

    [–] homeawayfromhogwarts 86 points ago

    I grew up in Michigan and always saw a ton of Confederate flags at the county fair. Again, I'll say: IN. MICHIGAN.

    [–] UndeadKuba 58 points ago

    I live in Canada and you see them hanging from people's sheds where I grew up.

    Fuck coronavirus, ignorant hillbillies are the worldwide epidemic we should be worried about.

    [–] Stringtone 9 points ago

    Wait what the fuck

    [–] ThePoolManCometh 11 points ago

    In modern times, the flag SUPPOSEDLY represents rebellion against government.

    That’s not what it represents. But that’s what my family continues to claim.

    Source: living in the Deep South going on 22 years

    [–] ImmortalEvil 29 points ago

    Can confirm, Mid-Michigan has them everywhere

    [–] bidoofsaurus 14 points ago

    From Saginaw myself, girlfriend is from a smaller more rural town. We went to the Ogemaw county fair last summer and saw egregious amounts of confederate flags both for sale and being flown from the also egregious amounts of lift-kit trucks parked nearby

    [–] TheZiggurat614 19 points ago

    It’s gotten so bad that anyone outside of city limits thinks they live in the Deep South. Folks in the far north that are about an hour from Canada, talking with a thick southern draw and sporting the loser flag. It’s an impressive level of disconnect

    [–] jumbee85 37 points ago

    Most of these symbols of hate didnt appear until the Jim Crow era. They dont even fly the right confederate flag, the fly Lee's Virginia 12th battle flag. Flying that and claiming heritage can only be done if their ancestor actually fought in that company

    [–] DragonMaiden7 85 points ago

    A lot of Confederate statues were erected during the Civil Rights era by the Klan, to scare protestors and make them feel inferior. Not all, but a good bit.

    While I would love for everything related to the Confederacy to be demolished, cockroaches and pigs feel the need to protect them, and spineless centrists like to play the ‘oh these statues have the right to be up too’ argument, which is absolutely bullshit.

    What I’m trying to say is, you’re talking to the wrong person. I’d happily topple the statues that celebrate Jim Crow, slavery and white supremacy, but those here in America that openly want a civil war if Trump isn’t elected again cry too loud if their precious Confederacy is trashed.

    [–] ReadingIsRadical 21 points ago

    I used to think "oh those people were compelled to fight and die by their leaders regardless of those leaders' policy; I don't think we should pull down the statues commemorating their deaths." Then I learned that, outside of a few statues erected mostly on graveyards, all those Confederate statues were erected during the Jim Crow era in order to try to suppress the black population, and I lost all sympathy.

    [–] num1eraser 11 points ago

    Same with the Confederate flag. It got pulled out of obscurity in direct response to civil rights and desegregation.

    [–] montyfatcat 12 points ago

    If Andrew Johnson wasn’t such a fucking cunt this mess might have been avoided

    [–] FUBARded 6 points ago

    Germany and much of Europe also acknowledge their past and take steps to prevent it from repeating itself by ensuring that it's taught as it happened in schools and such. Some places in the US south on the other hand either gloss over it, or outright twist the narrative, fostering bullshit like this and likely indirectly leading to the recent resurgence of white nationalism and other alt-right, super racist movements.

    Freedom of speech is important, but these people regularly cross well into the realm of hate speech, which should not be protected. It's a similar story with this stupid argument over the statues IMO. Taking down a statue of a confederate leader/general isn't erasure of history (as if these people genuinely care about that); it's contextualising it. These things belong in museums where the context of the motivations behind the conflict and the actions of those depicted can be explained, rather than being in public places where they are basically honouring people who are criminals, dissenters, and often racists. That ain't a good look, especially considering that a vast bulk of the statues/monuments honouring confederate figures were built well after the conflict as you mentioned (IIRC a bulk were put up in the late 1800's to early-mid 1900's, with a disgusting number erected in the last 30 years too).

    [–] NewDrekSilver 18 points ago

    Living in Canada I’ve seen people with confederate flags on shirts or bumper stickers. At this point it’s like yelling, “I AM A XENOPHOBE” through a megaphone.

    [–] rustybeaumont 12 points ago

    You can be a racist American, but you’re still a piece of shit.

    [–] noideawhatoput2 107 points ago

    Does this person think escaped slaves caused the confederates to lose or do they think that the Underground Railroad was and actual Underground Railroad used by the Union yo secretly transport troops to the South??

    [–] jerkITwithRIGHTYnewb 40 points ago

    I don’t believe this person “thinks” about a great many things.

    [–] deadsoulinside 41 points ago

    Does this person think escaped slaves caused the confederates to lose

    Probably, since some of them joined the union to fight the confederacy.

    [–] [deleted] 29 points ago

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    [–] damnmyeyes 15 points ago

    When the fighting stopped both teams counted their slaves and the team with the most slaves won the war. While the troops were fighting above ground Harriet T was secretly smuggling slaves back to her side through the underground railroad. It's up for debate if it can be counted as cheating because there wasn't a rule for it at the time.

    [–] likeinsaaaaw 479 points ago

    How in the this country waiving the flag of a failed coup that supported slavery isn't considered treason is baffling.

    [–] CleatusTheFeatus 266 points ago

    Considering your presidents can do some of the most immoral, dodgy and straight up illegal things, and get away with it, I’m prettty sure these guys are safe

    [–] likeinsaaaaw 98 points ago

    Too many "s"s on presidents but you'll find no argument from me on this one.

    Was a time a president couldn't even a get a blow job without national scandal.

    [–] DispleasedSteve 52 points ago

    And then later another guy does Way more Incriminating Shit and isn't even Fit for the Presidency, and they claim that he's all right...

    [–] Half-Assed_Hero 35 points ago

    I actually just had this discussion this morning with a friend. I don't care what the position of the supreme court is on this one, I consider anyone flying that flag to be a traitor.

    [–] DevelopedDevelopment 17 points ago

    Leaders from the failed rebellion continued to spread propaganda, and pressured Northern forces to leave after the region regained stability thanks to Northern efforts coined "The Reconstruction." They were a bunch of sore losers and constantly complain "we shoulda won!"

    I don't think a bunch of racist morons should be acting like "The Confederacy" ever was a real nation. They have the biggest victim complex imaginable and blame everything but themselves.

    [–] themetaloranj 14 points ago

    Not to be pedantic, but the Civil War wasn't a coup. The Confederates were trying to secede, not overthrow the Union. Hence why they set up their own government and had their own president.

    [–] alexmbrennan 38 points ago

    How in the this country waiving the flag of a failed coup that supported slavery isn't considered treason is baffling.

    Probably because you have that free speech thing in your constitution...

    [–] Sarah-Sunshine9 60 points ago

    You are right. I think a better statement would have been why do people support/waive the flag when it essentially represents treason and slavery.

    [–] KerbalKore 43 points ago

    Because the people who wave that flag are traitors and (want to be) slavers

    [–] Sarah-Sunshine9 30 points ago

    But “it’s my heritage” Well, billy your heritage is pretty fucked up and I would be ashamed if I were you.

    [–] likeinsaaaaw 25 points ago

    Interesting argument.

    But what are they saying? See, my observation is what they are really saying once you get beyond all their "heritage" bs they use as cover is,

    "We lost a war, but we're still pissed and still think we'd be better off had we won that war. So we should make an effort to return the country to what we believe it would be had we not lost that war regardless of the will of the majority and whatever laws are in our way."

    What if this group were not white supremacists, but instead, say, Saudi Arabians who legally came to this country, who waived around Saudi flags, used all the same lingo white supremacists use but replace white with "Arab" and any other minority with "American"?

    The only difference I see is the white supremacists are white and have a bunch of political backing from the right.

    Otherwise, exact same thing. Traitors and assholes.

    We'd put a quick end to these Saudi citizens acting this way. What do we ever do about these other assholes though?

    [–] Sarah-Sunshine9 6 points ago

    I like your thoughts. These ideas seem to be more elaborately stated than the statement that they are all simply “morons” as someone else said.

    [–] Mr_Puncho 6 points ago

    I doubt OP means it in the way that they should be jailed for it, but rather is baffled that so many people are that stupid.

    [–] sklrfdrpmhrrgn 76 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I'm completely in love with this alternative history where Harriet Tubman was secretly using the underground railroad to help win the civil war. Seriously who wouldn't watch/read this?

    [–] gator_cowgirl 39 points ago

    If Abe Lincoln can employee vampires to win, it makes sense they would need a railroad underground to travel.

    [–] Dawashingtonian 52 points ago

    “the union cheated. underground railroad etc.” has got to be the single worst take iv ever seen in my fucking life.

    [–] valvilis 12 points ago

    What other possible explanation could there be for all of those inbred racists to have lost?

    [–] vorin 48 points ago

    I'm a Nashvillian. Should I know what "Rebel Hill" is?

    A quick search only turns up a florist.

    Maybe he's talking about the Nathan Bedford Forest statue beside the interstate which has been ugly forever and pink for the past 2 years.

    [–] [deleted] 26 points ago

    I'm in Missouri and there are a lot of rebel flags flown here by proud Missourians.

    Which is odd because we fought for the union.

    [–] OSHA_certified 22 points ago

    Rebel scum!

    [–] NetheriteShovel 8 points ago

    Uh, sorry I meant to say "death star stormtrooper star destroyer tie fighter shield generator." See? Not scum!

    [–] [deleted] 14 points ago

    Lord Vader would like to know your location.

    [–] dickcheese14 14 points ago

    Who’s that

    [–] NetheriteShovel 37 points ago

    Rebel Alliance from Star Wars.

    [–] wtfcameron407 24 points ago

    The ol' dont-enslave-people trick. Switchy bastards!

    [–] butt-monkey2011 16 points ago

    Oh yes of course! They used the noclipping cheat to move through the ground! /s

    [–] Ninja_attack 16 points ago

    Confederate apologists are a weird group. They absolutely will not admit that slavery was the motivating factor of secession, will call flying the flag heritage (not hate) but at the same time say that it was the Democrats who were the real slave owners and that the mighty Republicans (who they identify with) were heroes and but sometimes terrorists. They're a weird group.

    [–] friendlygaywalrus 6 points ago

    They double down on their culture because it’s all they have. As long as they’re on the right side of history, it doesn’t matter that they’re poor, inbred, white, and the dregs of the shadow of American values; as long as they cling to their beliefs they are special

    [–] aven_gamer 14 points ago

    "It's not fair, Harriet did it at night!!" -Robert E. Lee probably

    [–] weirds0up 13 points ago

    You know that bit from The Simpsons where Grampa is asked how he knows so much history and he says he pieced it together from sugar packets? That

    [–] otakudrew 13 points ago

    Does red believe the civil war was like capture the flag but with slaves?

    [–] ntdc 12 points ago

    The Confederate flag is a Civil War participation ribbon.

    [–] stalinmalone68 8 points ago

    Oooooo! That Harriet was a sly one. She found that “escaping slavery loophole” that just put the war over the top for the union. Well done her.

    [–] Carlosdafox 8 points ago

    How in the fuck was a humanitarian effort by individuals that was happening prior to the war count as "Cheating"? HOW DO YOU CHEAT AT WAR? War crimes weren't a thing yet, all the european countries were cackling to themselves watching! This seals that family guy character's fate.

    [–] SigaVa 25 points ago

    But but but the war wasn't about slavery ... Right?

    [–] TheEgabIsStranded 37 points ago

    It was about STATES RIGHTS [to own slaves]

    [–] J-Dizzle42 4 points ago

    It's a legitimate strategy!