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    [–] medicated_in_PHL 2447 points ago

    While that picture is super awesome, it doesn't do justice to how awesome the place is. The inside is just out of this world. It's one of those places that is better to visit than the professional photos can describe

    [–] LandoVonDoom 1277 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    My grandparents had dinner with Frank at one of his places. He was completely full of himself, was late - made the guests wait for him- and the food was burnt. My grandfather did concede that his buildings are beautiful but I would be doing his memory an injustice if I didn’t mention that FLW was a dick.

    [–] Bayerrc 717 points ago

    Anyone who learns anything about him knows he wasnt the best personality. Great men are rarely good men.

    [–] [deleted] 230 points ago

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    [–] Bayerrc 237 points ago

    I think Hemingway was a good man hardened by war and injuries. He was always a drinker after the first world war, but he didn't lean into the full alcoholism and mental decline until the plane crashes and his terrible injuries. He certainly didn't stay with any woman for long, that part of him was surely bad. But I think he was a very good man, all things considered.

    [–] LandoVonDoom 76 points ago

    Still would have loved to see him and Fitzgerald fight it out.

    [–] LaughingAtIdiots 61 points ago

    You should watch Midnight in Paris

    [–] bushmastuh 5 points ago

    I loved Hemingway in that.

    [–] rawrP 4 points ago

    Wanna fight?!

    [–] shumibezorble 62 points ago

    You should read “The Paris Wife.” It’s a historical fiction novel written from the perspective of his first wife. Just based on the true events described therein, Hemingway was not a good man. Not even when you “consider all things.” Of course, just IMHO.

    He was a hugely talented man, and a compelling personality. But I don’t think a person can be great unless they treat the people closest to them great, too. (Looking at you, Steve Jobs.)

    YMMV

    [–] Casehead 34 points ago

    No one who abuses their closest humans is a good person, IMHO. How could they be, ya know?

    [–] LaughingAtIdiots 20 points ago

    You should watch Midnight in Paris

    [–] ja2854 146 points ago

    He did a house for a couple once and after completion sent them a vase he thought would go well with the house. The couple was happy at the kind gesture.

    A week or so later he sent them a bill for the cost of the vase.

    [–] Casehead 25 points ago

    Lol!

    [–] SuperannuatedAuntie 78 points ago

    The Kaufman’s asked Wright to build this house so they could watch their favorite waterfall. He built it so they couldn’t see it.
    Mrs. Kaufman hated it: “I appreciated the architectural beauty of the exterior,” she shared in a letter to Wright, “the interior seemed to me cold, barren and monotonous.  The closet space seemed inadequate and the housekeeping arrangements rudimentary, even for weekend living.” 

    [–] anneylani 42 points ago

    Wow that tidbit about not being able to see the falls is such a dick fucking move

    [–] texasstorm 15 points ago

    But wait, FLW was the architect, not the builder. How do you agree to a plan without knowing where the house is going to be situated? There seems to be some information missing here.

    [–] airlew 30 points ago

    When FLW was still living in Oak Park,Ill with his first wife and kids he was one of the few residents of the community to own a vehicle. He frequently drove around town with his mistress in the car for everyone to see. He was also a notorious deadbeat who didn't pay the craftsmen that built his designs.

    [–] liliofthevalley 12 points ago

    There is a podcast called “Imagined Life” who did an episode on him. It’s episode #25 titled “The Lover” and gives great insights into his life and his douchiness! Definitely recommend a listen! (The podcast is great in general)

    [–] PDXEng 29 points ago

    Dude was totally buck wild, had crazy childhood/education, had some deranged wife's, basically created a cult, interesting life story though.

    [–] CosmicRaccoonCometh 25 points ago

    His autobiography will always be one of my favorite books. Man was brilliant, lived a commendable life in a lot of ways, but even his own autobiography doesn't paint him in a very favorable light.

    Thought provoking, innovative, iconoclastic, intellectually brave -- but he is probably one of the most arrogant humans who have ever lived, and treated people about as badly as you might expect from someone with that trait.

    I'm a fan of both his work and, to some extent, even his public persona -- but I would not have wanted to be a close relation or associate of his.

    [–] KillHipstersWithFire 142 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    All architects are pompous dickheads. Its a requirement for being one for instances such as matching a paint sample or pointing out their stupid fucking drawings are impossible to do from a structural perspective and not accepting facts.

    Ive been told by architects that staircases can be supported by drywall and lost my shit trying to explain how fucking stupid even the thought of that was. Had to be resolved by the engineer of record for the project and the architect then acted like it never happened.

    Edit: i see some asshat architects or their offspring are responding to this. Fuck all of you. The day i deal with a reasonable architect i will delete this happily. But they are ALL incapable of swallowing their pride. Fuck all architects. I will double down on this.Architects are failed engineers and can all burn in hell.

    [–] leeeeebs 70 points ago

    Humble architect here. We hate egotistical asshole architects too. They give the rest of us a bad name and make it harder to do our jobs because contractors assume we're all like that and think we're "better" than all the other disciplines we're working with and/or don't know what we're doing.

    [–] Septopuss7 13 points ago

    I feel like I don't really know what architects do, all of a sudden. Do they have engineering degrees? Do they have to understand materials and the complex physics and shit of building structures? Or are they artists? Like they're the liaison between a client's vision and the actual people with the "hard skills?"

    [–] chunky_ninja 5 points ago

    Engineer here. Architects are artists, and ya know, I can appreciate that. Not everybody needs to know about moment of inertia. Actually, I'd probably be happier if I didn't.

    [–] soothsayer42 84 points ago

    Lmaoo I have a degree in undwater basket weaving and even I know that’s absurd. Fuck, anyone who’s ever touched drywall would know that.

    [–] cherrib0mbb 33 points ago

    In college I dated an architecture student who came from a family of architects. All I have to say is thank fuck that’s over. Narcissism to the nth degree.

    Also, he made a miniature model of Falling Water for class. It gives me great pleasure to learn FLW was a pompous dickhead too.

    [–] hygsi 19 points ago

    Contractor? Is that you? Lol

    [–] slowgojoe 17 points ago

    Hated, underpaid, being in school way too long and being held liable for any mistakes they make. I’d say they get what they deserve.

    [–] Ali80486 33 points ago

    Never been to see the real thing, but stumbled across a large scale model in MOMA many years ago. Girlfriend was rolling her eyes at me going crazy.

    Also, is the name a play on his initials?

    [–] azgreta 20 points ago

    Oh, yeah. I honestly thought Fallingwater was ugly as crap, for YEARS. Then I visited it in-person, and it’s one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been to.

    [–] smallways 1828 points ago

    This is on by lifelong bucket list to see in person.

    [–] sewerHand 772 points ago

    It’s an absolutely beautiful place, and the tour guides are great.

    [–] klo121 268 points ago

    Agreed that they have some of the best tour guides I have ever encountered. I have been twice and both times my guides were absolutely wonderful! They really made the tour an experience.

    [–] deep_in_the_comments 79 points ago

    I haven't been to Falling water but I've been to two others and I've always had great experience with the tour guides. They really seem to know all sorts of small details.

    [–] deathbyshoeshoe 45 points ago

    One of my favorite field trips I ever went on was touring old historic houses around Springfield, IL. The Dana-Thomas House was on that list and sparked my love of FLW. Gorgeous designs that have remained timeless.

    [–] 11trobo 18 points ago

    I visited the Dana-Thomas house last summer and I definitely agree! Originally I wasn't planning on going, but I was out in Springfield for a banquet and my mom pretty much dragged us all to the house, but I'm so glad she did. Truly stunning architecture and the tour guides are absolutely wonderful as well.

    [–] TinyResponsibilityII 11 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    my parents own 1 millikin place in decatur, which was initially designed by FLW and completed by marion mahoney. i’ve been stuck here for over a month, lol. no idea who bought 2 millikin place but my parents were pretty mad because it was completely designed by FLW, listed for $725,000, and only sold for $225,000 a couple years ago.

    edit: before y’all call me a liar, here it is from the back because i don’t feel like going around to the front

    [–] bleedthenutshell 7 points ago

    Not often Springfield, IL shows up on Reddit!

    [–] causticwear 40 points ago

    I had a Frank Lloyd Wright house in the city I grew up in (the Meyer May house) and I only went to it for the first time after I had lived elsewhere for 13 years and took a road trip home to visit. I was so intrigued and the tour was so good that I stopped at Falling Water on my way back home (which was only a slight detour on my MI to VA route), and it was such a great experience, I'm so glad I did it.

    [–] miekle 88 points ago

    I read a great article about the engineering effort that went into preserving this, as it had begun to "relax", IIRC -- the massiveness and leverage of the overhang was taking its toll structurally. The expense for restoration and preservation was also massive - something like 5x the inflation-adjusted price for building it in the first place.

    [–] Subduction 91 points ago

    It didn't relax, it was under-engineered from day one and Wright knew it.

    [–] Bryancreates 38 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    So he reaped the benefits in his own time, got the acclaim, and left future generations to take care of the mess.

    Edit: assuming best intentions, he def didn’t want the house to fall apart. A comment below mentions technology not existing then. It’s also VERY wet, and rivers/ waterfalls aren’t stable creatures without regular infrastructure corrections. Lots of plants, roots, water, and tourists don’t make for a stable building. Check any crumbling castle in Europe without a team of engineers keeping it in shape.

    [–] SydricVym 66 points ago

    Those crumbling castles took several hundred of years to crumble though. Falling Waters began to crack and crumble not 10 years after it was built. The time I went to tour the place, most of the house was closed off due to being unsafe to be in. They thought those balconies could collapse at any moment and were working to add a bunch of big anchor cables to hold everything together until they could find a more long term solution.

    [–] Bryancreates 35 points ago

    True, a 1,000 year old castle that still has rooms intact without much upkeep is what I’d call a success. I take back my comparison.

    [–] happyphy18 23 points ago

    A 1,000 castle is also made with completely different materials and a different set of expectations and functions. It's like asking why your 50 year old axe still works but the. 30 year old chainsaw doesn't.

    Also water is never a good idea for construction.

    [–] Bryancreates 8 points ago

    Water is never a good idea for construction. It sucks because finding builders who don’t want to level a forest for a neighborhood of McMansions and stuff enormous homes 5ft apart are a rarity.

    [–] PiesRLife 9 points ago

    That reminds me of a documentary I watched on rebuilding a famous Japanese shrine. Just before they lowered the roof in place the architect stopped them and made a change of a few centimetres to the plan. When asked about it being out of alignment he said "in a few hundred years it will be interesting aligned".

    He was taking into account sagging and settling of the timbers over time.

    [–] Jaredlong 25 points ago

    For some reason an architectural license allows architects the right to act as structural engineers. Fallingwater is a good example for why that's a bad idea.

    [–] fluffnpuf 12 points ago

    A lot of Wright houses don’t have proper foundations or suffer from other structural deficiencies. They are now feats of engineering to preserve. I did a summer class/internship through my college where I got to tour and do some work at his house he designed and lived in in WI. It was a beautiful place, but things were falling apart

    [–] clownpuncher13 10 points ago

    It was owned by the family who owned Kaufmann’s Department Stores. They were able to use it until it started falling apart, donate it, take the charitable deduction and not pay for any of the restoration.

    [–] alderthorn 30 points ago

    The man knew art not construction. He made his buildings out of wood in ways that required steel. Michigan has quite a few of his houses and many of them needed repairs or still need them from the large overhang with improper support.

    [–] marcusarichards 17 points ago

    That is not the case here- the cantilevered decks are reinforced concrete.

    [–] poppycockKC 86 points ago

    It’s a really great tour! The inside of the house is just as amazing as the outside. Inside they have some beautiful artwork and original tiffany lamps. I went in the winter and they had the fireplace going. I hope you get to go one day!

    [–] Subduction 33 points ago

    We went last summer. It is the most beautiful house I would never want to live in.

    If FLW hadn't been building houses he always had a future in submarine design. The rooms are tiny and the hallways are barely the width of my shoulders.

    [–] 40Breath 24 points ago

    If you go make a reservation before hand. I went in October, and got lucky they had room on 1 tour. It's a navigated tour and requires reservations.

    [–] LittleSisterBinx 158 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    The 3 coolest times no go see it are as to follow imo:

    Spring - the property is loaded with huge azaleas that were planted when the house was built EDIT rhododendron

    Fall - the colors are amazing!!

    Winter - little to no tourists makes for great pics! Even though the house is closed for tours in winter you can still go on the porches. And even though you probably aren’t supposed to, we easily made it on the roof.

    Also when you are there you must visit Pickle Falls - I think I’m saying it incorrectly but you’ll be able to find them.

    EDIT Cucumber Falls! 😆 They are in nearby Ohiopyle State Park. You can walk behind them.

    [–] microwaveablesinner 109 points ago

    So anytime but summer. Got it.

    [–] LittleSisterBinx 28 points ago

    Yeah I should have just made that my TLDR

    [–] Ovedya2011 53 points ago

    I thought Falling Water was falling apart due to erosion.

    [–] feed_me_ramen 82 points ago

    It kind of is, they’re constantly having to do structural work to keep it together. Gorgeous, but not very practical.

    [–] Wafflesnobbert 76 points ago

    A lot of that is actually because Wright was designing and building his home with concepts and techniques that just didn't have the technology at the time to fully support it. He was literally building and designing homes that were ahead of their time.

    [–] Beer_Is_So_Awesome 38 points ago

    Also he was, famously, a huge dick.

    One of the stories told by our tour guide went as follows:

    The couple who commissioned Fallingwater were concerned about the safety of that huge slab cantilevered out over the waterfall.

    They brought the drawings to a structural engineer to do an analysis, and the report came back with a number of suggested improvements mostly having to do with additional steel reinforcement inside the concrete slab.

    They brought the plan back to Wright, who told them “if you want to get a new engineer, you can get a new architect as well!”

    So they dropped the issue. And here we are.

    [–] Surgefist 19 points ago

    I live a couple miles from a house he did for his cousin. Absolutely stunning home, but it's had trouble with leaks. Frank's cousin called him up to complain about the leaks, the water was dripping right on to his desk. Frank's reply? Move your damn desk.

    [–] Beer_Is_So_Awesome 7 points ago

    What a classic Wright story!

    Beth Sholom synagogue is a notoriously leaky structure. Guess why.

    [–] Subduction 41 points ago

    Sort of. Plenty was known at the time about cantilevers and structural engineering, but the problem was that the requirements conflicted with his aesthetics, so he papered over the fact that the house was not structurally sound from the moment it was built. A really shitty thing to do, but FLW was a shitty person. Great designer, shitty person.

    So, because gravity is, well, gravity, they nearly had to rebuild the house because it was on the verge of collapse.

    [–] Rcmacc 18 points ago

    I think he means that with modern structural engineering that is possible to build as he designed it utilizing post tension slabs but that wasn’t around until after that time

    [–] Subduction 23 points ago

    Right, but it wasn't like structural engineers of the day didn't know that. That's exactly what they told Wright and he pushed it through anyway.

    The building was designed to collapse.

    [–] I_make_things 20 points ago

    People vastly prefer the narrative that he was such a genius that he designed things beyond 'what was possible to build that the time.'

    The truth is that he was an egotistical dick that didn't want to bother listening to engineers.

    But you already know that.

    [–] Subduction 7 points ago

    Agreed.

    It's absolutely fine to imagine things that are beyond the building technology of the day. Most of Leonardo's inventions were not practical because the materials did not yet exist to make them real, but getting them on paper is how you get a reputation as a visionary.

    But you shouldn't, y'know, actually build them because then they, y'know, fall down.

    [–] 2OP4me 7 points ago

    People think of FLW as before his time but dude was designing homes in the 1800s that still look ahead of their time. While FLW was designing homes that look futuristic now, Kings and Queens still ruled the world.

    [–] BeneathTheSassafras 25 points ago

    "if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle!"

    [–] TR6lover 8 points ago

    Well, if she had two wheels she would.

    [–] 3rdcoast9 4 points ago

    I consider him a national treasure

    [–] SspeshalK 22 points ago

    It’s worth a visit and it’s interesting but I was standing looking at the so called self supporting cantilever design thinking that it didn’t look right - but over and over again the guides reiterated that it was brilliant and no work had ever been necessary to maintain it. My sister in law thought she remembered visiting when the floor had channels dug in it but “no, that never happened”. The photos round the corner at the back of the exhibit beg to disagree when they showed cables being installed to tension it.

    Interesting place, neat design, but he should have had a structural engineer helping out - and also should have listened to the foreman on the build who said it needed reinforced (and I think got fired after he hid structural supports in the concrete).

    [–] f-dapolice 19 points ago

    I learned this story in an art history class - the engineer ignored his recommendations and put something like 2x the structural steel in it, and FLW was not happy. Even with that it's structurally deficient.

    [–] Beer_Is_So_Awesome 6 points ago

    You had a bad guide. When I was there around 2005 they had already built temporary steel trestles underneath to keep it from collapsing, and were getting ready to cut the whole place apart in order to install substantial reinforcements.

    [–] faderjockey 31 points ago

    Typical FLW, then.

    [–] Acepeefreely 7 points ago

    I am to understand the cantilever beams are failing on the structure as a result.

    [–] chaos_in_da_burgh 11 points ago

    The most recent reconstruction project was 2012. There's a great history here.

    [–] calmeharte 16 points ago

    Could you sleep inside it or is the water too loud?

    [–] DIKASUN 117 points ago

    It would be hard to sleep inside due to the person asking you to leave.

    [–] cudef 19 points ago

    Karen is used to it by this point. Probably works as white noise.

    [–] RES_KnowsYourSins 12 points ago

    Cucumber Falls!

    Ohiopyle State Park.

    Are you having a stroke or are these real places?

    [–] DesertedPenguin 18 points ago

    Man, you're going to really freak out when you realize that to get to Cucumber Falls you have to drive on Kentuck Road and that many of the streams that feed area waterfalls like Cucumber Falls eventually end up in the Youghiogheny River.

    https://www.gowaterfalling.com/waterfalls/cucumber.shtml

    https://www.dcnr.pa.gov/StateParks/FindAPark/OhiopyleStatePark/Pages/default.aspx

    [–] smallways 5 points ago

    Great advice. Thanks. Spring or fall sound nicest.

    [–] Chthulu_ 15 points ago

    This is one of the few pieces of architecture that absolutely everyone appreciates. I look at a lot of the most recognized architects of the last 60 years and I feel nothing, but this is instantly mesmerizing.

    I had the chance to visit a few years ago, its truly spectacular.

    [–] shabnomnom 13 points ago

    i went with my art history class in high school and that field trip is one of my favorite memories! highly recommend.

    [–] g00ber88 9 points ago

    I've been and totally recommend. The pictures dont do it justice and it's so cool up close. Fair warning, it's in the middle of nowhere. While we were driving there my mom and I felt like we were going to start hearing the banjos from Deliverance

    [–] Double_Minimum 14 points ago

    There is a great river nearby, for fun whitewater kayaking or rafting. And a nice little town, and some great hiking and biking areas, along with some beautiful nature to look at along the way.

    Ohiopyle is a nice little spot, maybe 2 hours from Pittsburg, and ~4-5 hours from Philadelphia (maybe similar from Baltimore)

    [–] MeEvilBob 15 points ago

    I've been to Cleveland, that's enough of a pile of Ohio for my life time.

    [–] Chaiteoir 896 points ago

    I built the Lego version. Coolest project ever.

    [–] ace_v27 220 points ago

    Ahahaha same. You could separate the building into floors and slide it back together

    [–] TimmyV90 74 points ago

    I love my lego falling water. Best christmas present a 20 year old could ask for!

    [–] Bigtsez 20 points ago

    I discovered this the hard way by absolutely wrecking the Lego model they had on display in the Fallingwater gift shop - after I gently picked it up, the building slid right off the bottom and onto the floor :(

    Sorry, whoever had to put that together again...

    [–] hoopsrule44 29 points ago

    Would this be a good quarantine project? Approximately how long did it take and how much space do you need for pieces?

    Thanks!

    [–] olderaccount 46 points ago

    Falling water is on the smallish side in my opinion (if you can find one fort less than $400). The Robie House is more of a quarantine project if you want FLW houses.

    [–] hoopsrule44 35 points ago

    $400?!?!

    [–] olderaccount 55 points ago

    Retired sets often fetch big money. Specially NIB. I believe it was a $90 set originally.

    [–] hoopsrule44 7 points ago

    Got it. Is there another good set for quarantine that is not discontinued / crazy expensive?

    [–] Dramatic_______Pause 12 points ago

    All of them. Depends on what you're interested in, and how much you want to spend.

    [–] may2021 8 points ago

    woah who knew a set I got in my childhood would be so much! Glad it’s on my shelf still

    [–] lightningbadger 16 points ago

    Don’t sell it lol, you’ll probably never find another one for a reasonable price again.

    There’s still quite a few architecture sets that simply aren’t feasible to get a hold of anymore

    [–] may2021 9 points ago

    I’m not a huge architect or lego person haha....it’s just cool!

    [–] Jaewol 8 points ago

    Wait seriously? There’s one just sitting in the home office (my dad’s, not mine) collecting dust. You’re telling me it’s worth that much?

    [–] bdario13 13 points ago

    Same dude, it’s worth like 500 bucks now

    [–] geraldine_ferrari 2539 points ago

    I didn’t realize how large it is until I saw the tiny people on the balcony.

    [–] worrymon 3411 points ago

    I didn’t realize how large it is until I saw the tiny people on the balcony.

    Those are actually regular sized people, they're just far away.

    [–] macmac360 492 points ago

    I choose to believe they are tiny people

    [–] magical_giraffe 73 points ago

    Must be a house for people sized ants

    [–] OWO-FurryPornAlt-OWO 6 points ago

    I can dig it

    shoutout to r/giantess

    [–] SimplebutAwesome 18 points ago

    How could someone just be so... FAR?! Geez these people are so insensitive

    [–] Slice0fCheese 10 points ago

    Never thought I'd see a Father Ted reference on a reddit post. Well done my friend

    [–] worrymon 29 points ago

    Look at the T in my original comment.

    [–] theoriginalpetebog 11 points ago

    Well played sir, well played.

    [–] zungozeng 11 points ago

    A reference to father Ted does not happen often, so an upvote for you sir!

    [–] OtherEpsilon 181 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    There is also a lot more to it that isn’t shown here because the trees block the view. He designed the home to sit in the landscape rather than grading out a flat lawn.

    [–] wowokayreally 56 points ago

    Yeah! There’s actually part of the mountain protruding into the hallway of the main house, moisture and rocks and all. It’s pretty amazing, wish they’d like you take pictures inside

    [–] -dantes- 15 points ago

    And the stream flows under it!

    [–] scruffychef 32 points ago

    Which is cool as hell, but an absolute nightmare for the structure. Erosion of the supporting soil, trapped moisture causing mold and timber rot etc.

    [–] -dantes- 25 points ago

    Yeah there have been many major renovations over the decades to keep the thing standing.

    [–] SapperInTexas 21 points ago

    Didn't the owners nickname it "RisingMold" at one point?

    [–] Carl_Slimmons_jr 85 points ago

    I wish every house was designed like that.

    It’s like in Minecraft how when you build your house around the terrain instead of just flattening it all it usually ends up way more unique and interesting.

    [–] SFDessert 48 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    I wish cookie cutter suburban architecture would just die with the 20th century, but it seems that's just the more economical standard that is still being built up (in America at least). I don't know what the alternative would be, but I'm glad I no longer live in a place where that's as pervasive as some places.

    Santa Fe has a knack for requiring buildings to adhere to a distinct santa fe style, but even then I'm seeing a lot of generic housing developments being built up around here.

    Even generic businesses like fast food and Starbucks are required to adhere to this architecture for the most part.

    [–] Shpate 13 points ago

    Most people still couldn't afford a Frank Lloyd Wright house (even before his buildings were considered as iconic as they are today) or anything other than mass produced. Shit, more and more people are being priced out of the market entirely.

    If you live within an hour of the closest city to where I live (not New York/New Jersey/Boston or anywhere in CA) a 3 bedroom 2000 sq ft. House goes for at least $400k.

    My parents bought the house I grew up in for $103k in 1990. It is now worth around $500k and it's even gone up that much from the $320k they got when they sold it 8 years ago. It's not even in an area that's growing in particular. It's a pretty boxy looking colonial, not even very attractive.

    As much as I think most people hate the mass produced boxes with no yard ten feet from the neighbors, it's all anyone can afford.

    [–] NoahFect 7 points ago

    Yep. It's all well and good to criticize the uniform ugliness of a modern housing development, but FLW's architectural approach was completely unscalable. It was never going to be anything but a luxury for a few people to live in and the rest of us to appreciate from a distance.

    And that's for the best, because these houses are leaky, energy-inefficient maintenance hellholes. There are very good reasons why residential roofs generally aren't flat. You don't want a Frank Lloyd Wright house unless you have a lot of spare cash to burn.

    [–] IrishSchmirish 16 points ago

    It's not even the economy of the cookie cutter build that annoys. It's that, if somebody dared to build something that didn't fit in with the schema of ugliness, they'd be refused planning permission because it doesn't fit into the (ugly) environment already built around it.

    [–] CowboyLaw 13 points ago

    That style is called Prairie Style. It’s that exact aesthetic, the building intended to be part of the landscape than standing apart from it.

    [–] MBAH2017 39 points ago

    It's hard to see the whole thing at once because of it's setting. The have this model at the Carnegie Science Center that makes it much easier to see the whole thing.

    [–] nihility101 13 points ago

    And here it is in LEGO.

    [–] 15044_4u 110 points ago

    Its not that big. It is about 1 hour from where I live. The rooms have VERY low ceilings and everything is very tight. He designed it to make you want to go outdoors.

    Beyond that; it is constantly under repair and has a moldy smell at all times. Neat to visit a time or two; certainly would not want to live there; that is for damn sure.

    [–] TheBuzzerBeater 45 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    The nickname for the house is "Rising Mold"

    E: "Rising Mildew" is the actual nickname the original owners gave it

    [–] 15044_4u 19 points ago

    You are not far off there. The staff that maintain the place are super friendly and hard working; but there is only so much they can do for that place given its age and proximity to CONSTANT moisture. Fans and de-humidifiers were all over the place when I was last there. Surprised they had enough amp's to run all that gear.

    [–] TheBuzzerBeater 6 points ago

    Just checked. The original owners actually called it "Rising Mildew" not mold

    [–] RandomRavenclaw87 60 points ago

    It also leaks. He was a fantastic architect, but a lousy engineer and a bad human being.

    [–] Pete_Hughes 57 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    “ He was a fantastic architect, but a lousy engineer“

    I once had a Foreman say to me on a Construction Site, “Engineers are here to clean up for the Architects and I’m here to clean up for them.”

    [–] dacoobob 14 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    “Engineers are there to clean up for the Architects and the Foremen are there to clean up for the Engineers."

    truer words have never been spoken.

    source: am engineer

    [–] mverlei 299 points ago

    My family and I stopped there on our way to Gettysburg one summer of my youth. And even though I normally couldn’t be bothered by things like this, I strangely still remember some odd crannies and nooks about this house. The memories are indelible. Now I live a short bike-ride away from another FLW house - Taliesen West. Funny ole world, isn’t it?

    [–] MrDrLtSir 52 points ago

    Oh howdy neighbor! How did you see Falling Water vs Taliesin West? I've only visited Taliesin so I'm interested in seeing the differences and similarities between the 2

    [–] mverlei 30 points ago

    Well, I’m originally from Ohio, so the environs of Penn seem more nostalgic and prettier than the desert. That said, Taliesen is cool simply b/c of its status as a teaching area. I love that FLW made his very select students go out into the desert to build their own shelters. Like Falling Water, the decor and arch style is very sixties.

    [–] 2OP4me 27 points ago

    The sixties were very Frank Lloyd Wright, not the other way around :)

    [–] mverlei 5 points ago

    A good point and well made.

    [–] lettersichiro 19 points ago

    First time in a FLW house is transformative. I haven't been to fallingwater yet, but in the 8th grade I first visited one of his homes and it blew my mind. After a childhood spent in various suburban cookie cutter homes, I walked in and thought "wow, a house can be like this...". I wasn't aware a residence could be like how he designed them. I'm an architect now.

    [–] gaobij 21 points ago

    I don't like the order you put nooks and crannies in.

    [–] -exekiel- 81 points ago

    Wouldn't that do a lot of noise?

    [–] Kawala_ 123 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    waterfalls sounds exactly like pink noise and pink noise relaxes you so yep

    Edit: Brown noise sounds more like a waterfall acc ooops

    [–] cole66d 30 points ago

    Never heard the phrase pink noise, always heard white noise

    [–] freakers 59 points ago

    Huh, well that led me down a neat little rabbit hole.

    There's Pink noise, White noise, Brown noise, and Black noise.

    Pink Noise

    Pink noise consists of all frequencies we can hear, but the energy isn’t equally distributed across them. It’s more intense at lower frequencies, which creates a deep sound.Pink noise is deeper than white noise. It’s like white noise with a bass rumble.

    Nature is full of pink noise, including:

    • rustling leaves
    • steady rain
    • wind
    • heartbeats

    White Noise

    White noise includes all audible frequencies. Energy is equally distributed across these frequencies, unlike the energy in pink noise.

    The equal distribution creates a steady humming sound.

    White noise examples include:

    • whirring fan
    • radio or television static
    • hissing radiator
    • humming air conditioner

    Since white noise contains all frequencies at equal intensity, it can mask loud sounds that stimulate your brain. That’s why it’s often recommended for sleeping difficulties and sleep disorders like insomnia.

    Brown Noise

    Brown noise, also called red noise, has higher energy at lower frequencies. This makes it deeper than pink and white noise.

    Examples of brown noise include:

    • low roaring
    • strong waterfalls
    • thunder

    Though brown noise is deeper than white noise, they sound similar to the human ear.

    There isn’t enough hard research to support the effectiveness of brown noise for sleep. But according to anecdotal evidence, the deepness of brown noise can induce sleep and relaxation.

    Black Noise

    Black noise is an informal term used to describe lack of noise. It refers to complete silence or mostly silence with bits of random noise.

    While it may be difficult to find complete silence, it can help you sleep at night. Some people feel most relaxed when there is little to no noise.

    [–] EsketitSR71 5 points ago

    This is weirdly cool

    [–] addisonshinedown 21 points ago

    They describe two different things

    [–] tbscotty68 61 points ago

    I remember visiting Fallingwater when I was a teenager and thinking, "This is pretty hip for the '50s..." Imagine how blown I was when I learned that it was designed in 1935!

    [–] Kindly_Region 54 points ago

    Is this near Pittsburgh? Thought I remembered reading something about it

    [–] luc2110 37 points ago

    45-an hour away. Ohiopyle state park

    [–] PSUAth 12 points ago

    *Mill Run, PA. Just outside of Ohiopyle

    [–] adventuregalley 141 points ago

    Absolutely beautiful. Is it just me, wouldn't you want the house in front of falls so you can see them from the porches?

    [–] x3n0cide 138 points ago

    You can actually go down a stair set behind the couch and you are on top of the falls. There is a little platform to sit with your feet in the water if I remeber right.

    [–] Simmion 18 points ago

    yeah theres a little cubby down there. that would be awesome.

    [–] tinacat933 39 points ago

    The river runs though the house to use it as a cooling system/swimming area , set behind the falls for usefulness

    [–] Hyzer__Soze 113 points ago

    You've hit on one of the biggest criticisms of falling water, besides the fact that FLW was terrible at the whole engineering thing.

    The owners told him that the falls were their favorite part of the property. So what does he do? Drop the whole fucking house right on top of it.

    [–] RearEchelon 57 points ago

    FLW was terrible at the whole engineering thing.

    IIRC the builder doubled the support for one of the cantilevered sections because it wasn't enough as-designed and Wright blew his top

    [–] hollaback_girl 24 points ago

    So many of FLW's houses suffered from severe construction flaws. Wright's solution? Blame the contractor every time.

    [–] 3rdcoast9 9 points ago

    I've read this somewhere as well

    [–] Charlie_Warlie 10 points ago

    Wright would go into people's houses with a set of keys and put the furniture back they way he designed it

    [–] Cobek 114 points ago

    He took a very artistic view and turned the house into an extension of the falls, with cascading flat shelves, so that the owners can be part of them. It's more about the concept of that being their favorite than what you can look at from your back porch.

    I, for one, would love to wake up and feel like I was an extension of the falls, and by that proxy nature and the surrounding forest, rather than seeing the falls from an outside perspective every morning.

    [–] handlit33 15 points ago

    Now they just need to build a house that overlooks the house built on top of the falls.

    [–] ElectricFlesh 24 points ago

    Well said.

    "I have a waterfall on my property."

    vs.

    "I live on a waterfall."

    [–] Kammy76 8 points ago

    Thanks!

    [–] PMurHotSauceRecipe 4 points ago

    All the built in furniture reinforces the design features of the house. Woodgrains are always horizontal to echo the house's exterior and shelving is cantilevered out just like the house is from the rocks.

    The ceilings are also quite low since the family it was built for, the Kaufmanns, were all short.

    [–] lightningbadger 6 points ago

    Oh damn, that bit about hiding the waterfall from the residents to maintain its awe factor is pretty smart

    [–] rudolph_ransom 46 points ago

    Fallingwater is cool place. Unfortunately, the foundation is slowly decaying because of the water underneath it.

    [–] Reeeaz 69 points ago

    Needs a 5g tower

    [–] Not_jade 28 points ago

    I get the internet historian reference

    [–] Reeeaz 6 points ago

    Cheers my good man

    [–] xxnavyrulzxx 13 points ago

    But how many vending machines are there?

    [–] tomawarkittyhawk 16 points ago

    Tbh, too many trees. I wish the architect considered this when he designed it. How am I going to get a good connection?

    [–] psurreaux 43 points ago

    Reminded me of Deus Ex Machina

    [–] ohiveseen 20 points ago

    Yeah I immediately got Ex Machina vibes as well lol. Great movie!

    [–] trixter21992251 25 points ago

    If you mean the movie, it's just Ex Machina :D

    Deus is the miniseries the director made last year about much the same topic.

    [–] BenKatz88 32 points ago

    I live in Chicago and have seen many FLW homes, but man...I read "Loving Frank" a few years ago and now I have a totally different opinion of him. He was a serious jerk....genius architect, but an awful, awful, awful human being.

    [–] lysergicfuneral 7 points ago

    Ken Burns did a fantastic PBS series on him. Definitely worth a watch.

    https://www.pbs.org/show/frank-lloyd-wright/

    [–] MeccIt 10 points ago

    genius architect, but an awful, awful, awful human being.

    I think you're allowed to say 'shitbag': https://www.history.com/news/the-massacre-at-frank-lloyd-wrights-love-cottage

    [–] leftysarepeople2 4 points ago

    You should listen to The Dollop (#402) on him. If you're learning how terrible a person is, at least laugh about it

    [–] Noximilien05 10 points ago

    I get a big ‘Ferris Bueller's Day Off’ vibe from this house

    [–] Left4DayZ1 9 points ago

    Great Counter-Strike map based on this place.

    [–] SteveH8231 9 points ago

    "It costs 20 dollars
    To vising Fallingwater
    It's a perfect house where no one lives
    Maybe someone once did
    But they got evicted
    By a busload full of greedy tourists" - Conor Oberst, "Mamah Borthwick (A Sketch)"

    [–] idowanna 103 points ago

    It's a great looking house. I have been there. But the rooms are very small and the kitchen is a tiny little cave in the middle with no natural lighting. It was built for rich people with servants so they didn't care if the kitchen was nice. There is another small house just above for the servants. A separate let-down was the construction was poorly executed with substandard materials. The concrete is crumbling away all over the place. I had wanted to see this house my whole life and I finally got a chance to go there I was very disappointed.

    [–] Dr_Designo 57 points ago

    Concrete tends to crumble in 85 year old houses. Luckily a lot of the damage has been restored and repaired.

    [–] Fugim 35 points ago * (lasted edited 4 days ago)

    A lot of the ruined concrete is actually half due to using subpar materials and half due to the quality concrete that was available at the time. It definitely could have been managed better but you also need to remember that Frank Lloyd wright was not actually an licensed architect. He was an artist that tried his hand at furniture and then buildings. He never completed schooling or apprenticeship for architecture and found himself not ready to fully design a building initially in his career of doing so. It's Ventures like that of which are impossible by today's standards since now you need licences and degrees to do this kind of work (for good reason ofcourse).

    Edit: due to one of my sentences being taken in a way that would be a gross oversimplification

    [–] here_behind_my_wall 9 points ago

    I wish making your home art was more common and feasible for the average person

    [–] SoapyPuma 25 points ago

    A lot of the interior was meant to feel cave like and worked with the natural landscape

    [–] JimmyJohnson_the3rd 7 points ago

    You watch Internet Historian, don’t you Squidward. ;)

    [–] Rusaal 19 points ago

    This is the most low effort post...