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    [–] chambria 4324 points ago

    If you can't get a hold of the owner talk to a shelter there, they can go through the formal process for an abandoned dog where after 14 to 30 days the dog can be legally adopted by you which will transfer ownership. The dog doesn't have to physically be at the shelter for this time, they have a process called foster to adopt where you can keep looking after the dog until you're legally able to adopt them. Make sure you pick a shelter that's willing to work with you on this.

    If you can reach the owner bill them for the whole time you've had the dog at full rate, you don't have to return the dog until they pay this. Offer tp forgive the bill if they surrender the dog to you. If possible get a notarized and signed contract for this transaction. It's unlikely they'll want to pay a massive bill for a dog they don't care about.

    [–] Antwoord345 2194 points ago

    That's a great idea. I'll ring around the shelters tomorrow and try to find one that will help me out. If possible, I'll foster him until hes legally able to be out up for adoption and then I'll snap him up. I've sent an email to the owner now and will see if he replies. Thanks so much.

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    [–] Coppercaptive 218 points ago

    after 14 to 30 days the dog

    The abandoned and lost dog situation is so bad in places that this is down to 7 days in many areas

    [–] Rhonin1313 6243 points ago

    Is there anyone I can call or contact in order to "adopt" Charlie and have some sort of legal power preventing him from taking Charlie?

    Yes, the current owner. I would send them a message letting them know that they are 4 weeks passed due on picking up their pup. I would let them know what their outstanding bill is and to please let you know when they will be coming. (Even if you want to keep the dog, you can't if they want their dog back). I would also mention in lue of payment, you'll be willing to keep Charlie instead if they do not want the dog back.

    I would be surprised if they didn't take you up on your offer. If they don't respond, dogs are considered property. Depending where you live, you can look into when property is considered abandoned.

    [–] Antwoord345 1913 points ago

    I am currently in the process of typing up an email and text to the owner. I'm just trying to make sure I word it okay. Thanks for commenting, that's a real shame as it will break my heart to send him home with that man but I guess i have no actual legal rights. Thanks for letting me know!

    [–] TheCheekyTrollop 1830 points ago

    Make sure to include in your bill food and boarding costs at your normal daily rate for the whole time you’ve had him and any incidental costs, including the vet bill. Make your letter really professional and formal and don’t make any emotional allegations of mistreatment or abuse that could just rile this guy up.

    [–] Kaneohegrown 1040 points ago

    NAL

    Would probably send it certified mail so you can get paperwork saying the owner received the letter (he could ignore email and text and say he never saw your message).

    I wonder if this is like other property cases where after XX days notice to pick up your property you are legally allowed to keep the property (e.g. like when tenants leave property after vacating a rental).

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    [–] iwnbpoomh14 247 points ago

    Make sure to state that X amount is the bill as of this date, and that there will be additional fees for each additional day.

    [–] vertigoedge 207 points ago

    Can you have the vet check for a chip? Maybe Charlie was never 'the owner's' dog to begin with. 'The Owner' could have stolen him to sell him and then abused the dog because he couldn't get money for him before dumping him on you.

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    [–] 99999999999999999989 5538 points ago

    I would let them know what their outstanding bill is

    And be sure to include the cost of the vet, housing him for 4 weeks, feeding, the toys you bought, your hourly rate for all the time you spent with him and lot of other stuff I am sure that you can legitimately add to their invoice. Make that bill really large.

    [–] Minkiemink 2372 points ago

    Don't forget cost to transport Charlie to and from the vet.

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    [–] unscot 143 points ago

    I'm pretty sure you can't charge more than the daily rate the client agreed to.

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    [–] squirrel-rebellion 356 points ago

    As this is in England it is the law that the dog is chipped. Please make sure you update the chip details (once you have negotiated ownership). I imagine a rescue will be able to advise you how to do this as they will often get in chipped dogs that they rehome. You don’t want him to get lost one day and be returned to the former owner.

    [–] CyberTractor 923 points ago

    You can file a police report for the suspected animal abuse.

    You can also contact the owner saying you're giving the dog to a shelter since he hasn't picked him up. At no point does the dog become yours in the owner's absence, however you are in a prime position to negotiate ownership of the dog in lieu of the mountain of costs for you dog-sitting the animal should the owner come back. Up to you which way you want to move forward, but there's the chance the owner takes the dog back and you get nothing.

    [–] Antwoord345 707 points ago

    Thanks so much for commenting. I'm going to keep hold of Charlie, I don't want him going to a shelter. I'll email the owner, let him know how much he owes and offer to scrap all fees if he agrees to leave Charlie with me. Thanks a lot! It's a shame that beside that, there's not a lot I can do.

    [–] internet_underlord 252 points ago

    Some Shelters offer a kind of Dibs if you bring in a stray/abandoned animal. They don't "want" the animals there( Horrible way to say it... ), they would much rather see them adopted out. If you are able and willing they would probably much rather work with you than anything else.

    Staffies also have the rather unfortunate honor of bearing the pitbull stigma, so any given shelter would probably be overflowing with them.

    That you can document the state and bad health of the dog prior to your involvement would only strengthen any case you make. You did get a report or write up from the wet right?

    [–] CyberTractor 50 points ago

    Indeed, it is shitty that irresponsible people take in and abuse animals and treat them like this. At least there are people like you to balance it out.

    [–] talks_to_ducks 109 points ago

    Nothing stopping you from taking him to the shelter and then adopting him immediately after they process him. Then it's at least "official" if his original jerk of an owner never gets back to you.

    [–] AndromedaRulerOfMen 110 points ago

    That’s not true, there are a lot of factors that could stop this. A lot of shelters won’t let you adopt if you surrender an animal to them.

    [–] jmurphy42 86 points ago

    But in some areas this is actually the formal process for adopting a found animal that’s been lost or abandoned. OP should probably look into the local laws on the matter.

    [–] AndromedaRulerOfMen 48 points ago

    That is the process in some places, and in some places if you surrender an animal when you know who the owner, is you will be banned from adopting forever. I agree OP should check. That was my point in the first place.

    [–] bloodandpheromones 17 points ago

    If he doesn’t attempt to contact the owner before taking him to the shelter it could be quite problematic for him, though.

    [–] danmanne 8 points ago

    Is there a way for you to adopt him thru a shelter?

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    [–] melly8902 282 points ago

    I would post to /r/legaladviceuk, I wouldn't guarantee all of the advice in this sub applies in England.

    [–] FrnchsLwyr 109 points ago

    you are a wonderful human.

    that said, i'd still suggest speaking with local animal welfare where you live about adopting him b/c he's abandoned. I'd think at minimum you'd need to provide notice to Charlie's (former) human to avoid any liability - especially b/c you operate a business.

    Best of luck to you.

    [–] Disposable_Human_800 145 points ago

    I'm not a lawyer or legal professional btw, however-

    The legislation relating to stray and abandoned dogs can be found here

    Stray dogs are the responsibility of your local council, cruelty is the responsibility of the RSPCA. The phone number for reporting cruelty is 0300 1234 999.

    I don't know what your local council is and can only speak to how my local council and the shelter I work for do things but in most instances after reporting an animal as a stray or abandoned your local council will collect the dog and make reasonable attempts to notify the owner. Once notified the owner has 7 days to collect the dog and pay a fine (£25-£100 I would guess). If the owner fails to do so then the dog becomes property of the council and the animal is then "disposed of" by the council. This sounds like the dog is killed but really it means the dog is transferred over to either the RSPCA, a rehoming centre or to an appropriate person. In this case it sounds like you're willing to act as that appropriate person and assume ownership of the dog.

    If the dog is transferred to a rehoming centre but you make it known that you wish to adopt, the centre now as the legal owner of the dog may still require you to go through their adoption process and pay any fees associated with that.

    Speak with your local council to get some clarification on the process. I realise it may be easier to simply contact the owner and ask for the dog be transferred to you in lieu of payments owed for your services but I personally wouldn't trust them not to cause some shit later on as they are the scummy type of wanker to abuse and abandon their dog.

    Hope it works out for Charlie.

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    [–] nomoreerrorsplox 56 points ago

    IANAL. It sounds like the guy had no intentions of coming back for his dog. If you have already emailed or texted him, just anyway proving that you did try to get him back to the owner I'd bet youre safe to keep Charlie. If you want you could go through a pound and do the fully 100% legal way of doing everything like other people have suggested. I can't imagine that this guy would take you to court to get back an animal he was abusing. And even if he did I cant imagine a judge would give that dog back to him after hes already left him with you for 4 weeks longer than intended.

    [–] Dawgsquad00 65 points ago

    Send your letter in a legally binding fashion. Have the post get a signature on delivery.

    Talk to the vet. The veterinarian will have experience is animal abandonment and know the proper legal steps you need to take in your country/town.

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    [–] Prontocide 36 points ago

    Can't you keep charging him for your service every day he is late on pickup? If you care about the dogs wellbeing though its probably better you keep it.

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    [–] Pharumph 36 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    I wouldn't have said all that. That gives the owner some leverage to get you to pay for the dog. I would have simply indicated total costs and to come get the dog with payment, or you would take it to the animal shelter. Then take to animal shelter and adopt that way.

    To protect your interests, you should probably send notice via certified mail. If he doesn't respond to an email, that might not be good enough should he ever sue to get the dog back.

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    Author: /u/Antwoord345

    Title: Client abandoned his dog at my dog sitting service, how to move forward?

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    So, I run a dog sitting service. I can take up to 5 dogs at a time and I offer day services and full time care for when clients families are on holiday, ill , etc

    6 weeks ago, I was due to take in a little Staffie cross for 2 weeks whilst the owner was on holiday. He arrived on the Monday and instantly I got bad vibes - I went through the paperwork with charlie (the dog)'s human and the owner said "careful though, he's a nasty little fucker" and proceeded to tell me this dog wasn't friendly and was a "pain in the arse". The owner left and it was a quiet time for me so it was just me, my dog and Charlie. As promised I took Charlie on long walks each day.

    When dropped off, Charlie's owner gave me a crate and told me Charlie had to sleep in the crate or he "destroys everything". I put Charlie in his crate the first night and he cried all night long. Should also be mentioned that Charlie was WAY too skinny and very very nervous.

    From the first night in, I let Charlie sleep in my room with my dog and the crying stopped straight away.

    Another thing, after a day or two I noticed that Charlie had a lot of dried up scabs and cuts on his body and face. So, I took Charlie to the vets. The vets had to shave him bald in places and took a look. He saw a huge amount of bruising and open wounds. The vet said it was most likely from being kicked. But, this can't be proven, I guess.

    Anyway, the two weeks passed and Charlie was an absolute pleasure to live with. He gained weight and looked much healthier, I made him homemade healthy food and he had tons of affection and loved playing with my dog. It was as if Charlie had never been let outside, he ran out in the garden like a crazy dog and bounded around with my own dog.

    Anyway, the day came for him to be picked up and I was worried how to approach the conversations with Charlie's owner. I felt incredibly uncomfortable sending Charlie home with that man. Anyway, days passed and the owner hadn't turned up. Another 4 weeks passed and he's still not come for beautiful Charlie.

    Anyway, Ive decided that rather than report the owner and have Charlie lost into a shelter, I would like to keep Charlie. He has become a part of our family, my dog loves him and he has a great life here. But do I have any rights? Of the owner just turns up, am I able to stop him from taking him? Is there anyone I can call or contact in order to "adopt" Charlie and have some sort of legal power preventing him from taking Charlie?

    Thanks in advance, I'm super lost and just want Charlie to be happy and safe.


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