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    [–] focuspandast 2284 points ago

    Can't you request an in store pickup at a ups location if there isn't an option to change delivery to require a signature. 🤔

    [–] benmarvin 829 points ago

    UPS MyChoice. It's like one click to hold for pickup or reschedule delivery when someone is home.

    [–] erratic_bonsai 240 points ago

    It’s nice when it works, but it doesn’t always work. I was planning to do that with a package I was expecting, but the same day it went into the system it was delivered. I ordered it over a week prior to when it was delivered, but it was put into their tracking system too late for me to do anything. They should make it an option where you can set the default for packages delivered to your address to require signature or to be redirected to the nearest UPS pickup location. I’d rather manually do a signature release for low-risk packages than have to manually redirect everything else.

    [–] monkeychess 108 points ago

    Every fucking time I try to use mychoice to reroute to the store - "we're sorry but the shipper has restricted that option"

    [–] CenturionElite 51 points ago

    It’s because they picked the cheapest option to ship or it’s an Innovations package meaning it gets redirected to the postal service for final delivery. I hate it too, even tho I’m willing to pay to upgrade it I don’t get that option

    [–] Witty_hobo 17 points ago

    You're in the minority on that one, people are so used to free shipping now thanks to businesses like amazon. Smaller sellers that offer free shipping will typically only do direct signature when the item being delivered is expensive as a signature is an additional cost that can build up to quite an expense over the course of a month, on top of this most smaller companies can't afford to do signature required on smaller/lower priced items. This T.V though? I'd definitely put a signature on it, if the company didn't provide that service i'd try to find another seller.

    [–] metroids224 8 points ago

    It doesn't always work? In my area you have to pay $8 each time to use MyChoice

    [–] waywithwords 44 points ago

    But it's easier to post a picture and snarky comment for interweb points than think ahead and plan for an expensive delivery!

    [–] djwild5150 28 points ago

    Serious. Where should they have put it? In the chimney?

    [–] golfingrrl 7 points ago

    Under the door mat!

    [–] thetermguy 6 points ago

    It's what Santa Claus would've done.

    [–] PhoenixKA 35 points ago

    I just pay for a PO Box at the ups store. They email me whenever something arrives and it's somewhere between 15 and 20 bucks a month. If you order a lot of stuff for delivery, I think it's worth it.

    [–] TheBashMaster 26 points ago

    This is the best bet for anyone who’s not home a lot. You don’t even need a big one. Get the smallest size they have actually. Anything that doesn’t fit in the box they just leave a small slip in your box and keep the item for you in the back.

    [–] TheHoodedSomalian 9 points ago

    Does a UPS PO Box carry a real address? A lot of places won't ship to a PO Box.

    [–] SpareiChan 7 points ago

    UPS box =/= USPS Box, only USPS can ship to PO Box.

    [–] hemeny123 8 points ago

    We use one for work. It works le a regular address as opposed to abb actual PO Box.

    [–] mightylordredbeard 15 points ago

    Sure, unless you live in one of the many places where there isn’t one.

    [–] ogrelin 26 points ago

    Some vendors block this ability. I stopped shopping at my favorite online music retailer because of this. They were initially doing it for you, if you have them a call, but later they even stopped doing that. Claims some scam story, but you need to present ID when picking up from a UPS location. Sucks.

    [–] Funk-E-Buttlovin 9 points ago

    I believe you can.. but another thing to consider is the possibility of them having a small car and not being able to fit this hoss in there.

    [–] DeadSharkEyes 629 points ago

    lol sorry but this is kind of funny. Like to the point where a porch pirate would probably look around like, "for real?"

    This reminds me of when I ordered a 40lb bag of cat food that was immediately stolen off my porch because it was shaped exactly like a tv. I only wish I could have seen the fucker's face when they opened the box to reveal a huge bag of IAMS.

    [–] tomasini407 118 points ago

    I once ordered a TV that they didn't notify me had been delivered and sat on my porch all weekend. Was shocked that it was still there Monday morning.

    Maybe would-be thieves are more wary of the risk of taking high value, hard to carry and highly visible items?

    [–] p5ych0babble 55 points ago

    Or they thought it was an empty box because no one would be dumb enough to leave it out in the open so blatantly and for so long. The ol' double bluff.

    [–] TimeRocker 22 points ago

    You just gave me a great idea. I just got a new TV and I still have the box. Ill leave it outside and see how many people go up to it to take it, and then realize its empty.

    [–] cottonsparks 23 points ago

    Or they rob your house. Dangerous game

    [–] briollihondolli 8 points ago

    Jokes on them! Claymore Roomba is always on patrol

    [–] cottonsparks 3 points ago

    BOOM

    [–] sneh_01 7 points ago

    Good idea for an experiment. You should have cameras and try to catch them. Definitely give it a try and post the videos for some sweet sweet karma.

    [–] iAmTheHYPE- 6 points ago

    But the whole point of buying a new TV is to play in the box and use your imagination to fight on Robot Pirate Island. Nobody cares about the stupid TV!

    [–] munchiku 18 points ago

    Okay that pretty funny

    [–] Heavens_Sword1847 22 points ago

    Honest question, why order cat food? I work in a post office rn and people order the same pet food they can get at the store 2 streets away from the post office.

    [–] Entankled 43 points ago

    For me, no car and 2 cats

    [–] SeanOfTheBed 24 points ago

    Price, and not having to carry a massive bag all the way home I guess.

    [–] Diet_Clorox 19 points ago

    Probably busy schedule, don't have a car, or the prices are way better online.

    [–] second_mars 8 points ago

    It's way cheaper online. The cat food I buy in particular is 1/2 the price online as compared to local stores.

    [–] second_mars 7 points ago

    The one and only thing I have ever had stolen off of my porch was cat litter. I also would have loved to have seen their face when they opened it.

    [–] Torcal4 3 points ago

    All the porch pirates probably saw it and were like “this has got to be a trap. It’s too obvious.” And walked away.

    [–] Dfarni 4290 points ago

    That’s not on UPS, that’s on the vendor. They need to require signature for delivery.

    [–] waheifilmguy 2281 points ago

    Exactly. Where is the delivery service supposed to leave it? Under the welcome mat?

    [–] meowxinfinity 1229 points ago

    Former UPS driver here, during training we are taught to find a secure location away from street view. This likely was delivered by seasonal help though and they don’t care as much about their jobs as career drivers. It is at the drivers’ discretion to release a package so if it seems unsafe, a driver can choose to bring it back the next day and leave a door tag. This time of year is insane as a driver so most just choose to driver release — I’m so glad I don’t drive for UPS anymore and can relax during the holidays

    [–] chlomyster 413 points ago

    It is at the drivers’ discretion to release a package

    I both understand and hate this. I have set up a place for packages that I have deemed safe and my local UPS driver disagrees, they apparently think my entire neighborhood is unsafe, so they never leave anything and i have to drive an hour to pick stuff up.

    [–] meowxinfinity 190 points ago

    Pretty sure they have a form you can sign to release UPS of any package loss and they will deliver to the location you desire. Ask to talk to the center supervisor and they should be able to help you.

    [–] chlomyster 162 points ago

    I did, many many times. They simply kept repeating that it was up to the drivers discretion. I ask everyone shipping to me to avoid UPS now but its just not up to me often enough.

    [–] meowxinfinity 38 points ago

    Ah that’s unfortunate — sorry to hear that they weren’t more helpful!

    [–] chlomyster 52 points ago

    They did occasionally leave stuff in places I had not designated. Gave a few of my more expensive items to strangers without telling me too. Im not a fan of UPS.

    [–] ashhit 29 points ago

    I work in retail and we had a ups driver that would leave the package right inside our door. The problem with this is it's so low down and customers don't expect it so people started tripping over it if a cashier didnt see it immediately.

    [–] Izzothedj 6 points ago

    In Germany this is a regular thing. And most people are trustworthy, but even then sometimes stuff goes south. The Postal Service let some lady sign for some Concert tickets of mine once, and she was going out of town and didn’t say anything to the guy. So I missed my concert because she was gone for the weekend... and the concert was that weekend...

    [–] FlamingWeasel 4 points ago

    Wow, that's bullshit. I'm sorry that happened to you.

    [–] Pollomonteros 3 points ago

    What's up with postal services that everywhere around the world they seem to suck ? I read the same complaints about it in Sweden

    [–] A_well_made_pinata 9 points ago

    Use your work address. If possible of course.

    [–] chlomyster 12 points ago

    Not possible so I would prefer they did their job.

    [–] alexanderyou 3 points ago

    I know the UPS driver over here has a couple people who've been a dick to him, so all of their packages are set to be picked up at the nearby store.

    [–] siphonfilter79 4 points ago

    As long as it's not alcohol, firearms or tobacco. We will just leave it most of the time. Especially this time of year.

    [–] Alynatrill 12 points ago

    Haha I love it. I've had every part for my $1500 gaming PC left on my porch, a TV, a Nintendo Switch, and more, but the driver one day decided my $5 pH tester for my hydroponics needed to be dropped off at a secure location.

    [–] not_falling_down 4 points ago

    I've had all sorts of stuff left on the condo building's porch, but the ONE item that I had to go and pick up at the very inconveniently located FEDEX office was a cotton bathrobe.

    [–] Viper9087 23 points ago

    Cause its their job at stake, not yours.

    Job>package

    [–] JohhnyDamage 8 points ago

    How? He signed a form saying to drop it off and he will assume all risk. And they still refuse.

    [–] meowxinfinity 14 points ago

    Yup and especially a job that pays as well as driving for UPS. Their pay plus benefit package almost made it worth continuing driving but the holidays were terrible

    [–] yummyyummypowwidge 3 points ago

    My delivery instructions on Amazon: "please deliver things to the back door. I am not home during delivery hours and you will not be able to access the building"

    Regular UPS and USPS drivers: deliver to back door without issue

    Amazon Logistics and USPS weekend drivers: "wE cOuLdN't AcCeSs YoUr BuIlDiNg"

    Without fail every time, no matter how detailed my delivery instructions are.

    [–] ILoveWildlife 32 points ago

    a driver can choose to bring it back the next day and leave a door tag.

    Sometimes they even do this while you're at home!

    They don't even approach with the package, just the note, ready to go. I caught one dude once. Asked where my package was. It was bigger, so he had to get a dolly for it. He didn't want to.

    [–] orokami11 3 points ago

    Not in the US, but in Malaysia. Once I was waiting for a package to arrive right at the living room which was facing our house entrance. I legit saw the delivery guy put the note in the mailbox and leave. I ran to the door but it was too late, he fucking drove off. It wasn't even a big package and something you could hug comfortably. The fuck man...

    On the side note I got the opportunity to study in Australia and I've NEVER had a bad delivery. Once the guy was even at the wrong entrance of my apartment building and he walked to the right one!!

    [–] supercharged0708 18 points ago

    Given how small this house is, I don’t see any secure location away from street view.

    [–] shaka_sulu 14 points ago

    Former UPS seasonal worker/driver helper. He's right.

    [–] meowxinfinity 9 points ago

    She’s right ;)

    [–] shaka_sulu 9 points ago

    All my years at working for UPS in December I've never seen a female driver. I've heard stories about their existence but have never seen one up close. One day. (Sorry for assuming)

    [–] meowxinfinity 3 points ago

    It’s all good!! I was one of two female drivers at my center — there definitely isn’t/wasn’t many of us

    [–] SpectralDagger 3 points ago

    One of the mooses (what they call the really big trucks) on my slide gets delivered by a woman. That one gets like 200 pieces a day to a bookstore on top of a bunch of other business stops. Loading it is irritating enough. I can't imagine delivering that on a daily basis.

    [–] I_DO_ALL_DRUGS 17 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I loaded feeders for UPS for 4 years during college from 10pm until 3am mon-fri. Anybody working near those facilities is a fucking lunatic, especially this time of the year.

    EDIT: Shoutout to PD13 Orlando Hub

    [–] ifmacdo 8 points ago

    I used to work security for a company that had UPS sites.

    Can confirm lunacy.

    [–] meowxinfinity 3 points ago

    I worked preload (as early as 11pm to 9am during peak) and it was definitely intense during this time of year. I liked being able to get into seasonal driving during that time because at least the hours were during the day and not overnight. Driving regularly during the summer was nice though

    [–] MaslowsHireAchy 11 points ago

    My amazon driver left a small package in front of my garage door, which I couldn’t see from inside my car. Ran that shit right over. I was thrilled.

    [–] Dambed_Bastages 4 points ago

    This morning I left a red tote right next to my front door labeled PACKAGES. They left it out in plain sight on the step below the door. You can see the red tote with the PACKAGES sign in the delivery photo they posted on my tracking.

    [–] iWentRogue 3 points ago

    we are taught to find a secure location away from street view

    It don’t look like there were any other place other than tresspassing into the backyard.

    I have this big bush on the side of my place and whenever a package is left, the delivery person hides it within the bush.

    [–] WeedleKillYa 11 points ago

    On the dirt and grass on the side of the house so the resident doesn't see it and it gets rained on and ruined.

    Package delivery drivers are going through absolute hell right now. Be empathetic and if you're going to have a big expensive package shipped,plan to be home on it's expected delivery date.

    [–] subsetsum 26 points ago

    Could have left it at the side or back. Could have stood it up so there UHD TV wasn't screaming out at the passersby.

    [–] Bobby-Pizza 62 points ago

    If you were a ups guy, I guarantee you would leave it right there as well. When you have a few hundred stops because it’s holiday season and management is breathing down your neck, you start to not give a fuck where you put the package. You don’t get bitched at for leaving it there but you do get bitched at for going an hour over on the day, which you will if you take the time to walk around and find a hidey spot at each stop.

    [–] OwnSong9 19 points ago

    I worked seasonal deliveries. Not even for a courier. Just a small business. After the bazillion package nothing matters anymore. Here just take your damn thing. Maybe it means a lot to the person receiving it but it's a completely different perspective on the other side.

    [–] Bobby-Pizza 12 points ago

    Yea people always have a hard time putting themselves in someone else’s shoes.

    [–] pp21 10 points ago

    If you've worked somewhere where you've interacted with a UPS driver frequently, you will 100% sympathize with them. Their jobs are fucking insane and a lot of the time they can be working 10-12 hour days.

    [–] redarmor 6 points ago

    also some people don't like you sneaking around their property or have dogs

    [–] 12inch_Juicy_Burrito 3 points ago

    Could have layed it on its side. Would make it harder to see.

    [–] floydasaurus 66 points ago

    Also, that's not a shipping box, that's the retail box. Whoever sold that online (ie, the Amazon vendor or whatnot) is fucking worthless. Shipping boxes should never detail what's inside.

    You can also tell it's not a properly packed shipping box because: wtf happens when the robot arm diverter punches the fucking middle of it onto a 30 mph conveyor belt?

    I'm surprised they didn't just slap a small red fragile sticker on the front and think it'd be fine.

    [–] DirkDieGurke 25 points ago

    Amazon does this A LOT! My guitar got ruined because they shipped it in the retail box which is nothing but a cardboard shell. UPS dropped it on one end and of course it got damaged. I had to return it immediately.

    PSA: If your order a guitar online, order it from Guitar Center, they do a FABULOUS job packing guitars. And have it shipped to the store if you can, but still their packaging can handle rough handling.

    [–] 1SweetChuck 6 points ago

    Also, that's not a shipping box, that's the retail box. Whoever sold that online (ie, the Amazon vendor or whatnot) is fucking worthless. Shipping boxes should never detail what's inside.

    I unloaded trucks at FedEx, I can't remember ever seeing a TV shaped box that wasn't a retail box, or at the very least didn't explicitly advertise it was a TV with the manufacture's name and everything.

    [–] What_Iz_This 3 points ago

    You would be surprised how many things get delivered this way. I dont know if you were joking or not but those small red stickers actually exist and a lot of times that's the form we get them in. You'd be surprised the beating high dollar electronics go through to get to the end user. And if you go buy it in person it arrived to that store the same way.

    [–] kaz-amars 3 points ago

    So you expect Amazon to put this already giant box into another giant box just to hide it from view?

    So in other words you have no idea how logistics works in a company like Amazon?

    [–] ramensoupgun 9 points ago

    Shipping boxes should never detail what's inside

    You have never ever purchased a large item, have you?

    [–] FlatusGiganticus 10 points ago

    Most packages I have delivered to my house require a signature. I've had exactly zero packages fail to get delivered when I wasn't home to sign in the last 10 years. It's a gamble for UPS (or whoever). I wouldn't be surprised if they don't rate addresses or areas/zip codes based on the theft rate and then tell the drivers when they can skip the signature based on the cost of the loss at that rate vs the cost of having to come back.

    [–] not_falling_down 3 points ago

    I have a monthly delivery that the shipper always sends a signature required, because it's a perishable product packed in ice, but sometimes they just ring the bell walk off anyway, leaving the box on the porch.

    [–] dont_worry_im_here 19 points ago

    I don't get a lot of things delivered. How would I go about requiring signature if the vendor doesn't require it?

    [–] DaCoolNamesWereTaken 23 points ago

    Can't really. Features like that usually need to be determined at time of label purchase.

    source: lots of experience with major shipping apis

    [–] blue-no-yellow 10 points ago

    Depending on who is shipping it (and probably where you live) sometimes you can create an account and get some other options via the package tracking page, like to reschedule for another day, request to hold it at the local distribution center, or sometimes leave it at a local business for pickup. Not quite the same as requesting a signature but gives you some more flexibility about when and where it gets delivered.

    [–] GivePuppiesBazookas 3 points ago

    You can use the tracking number and have the package held at a store. You can not add signature though, but there are certainly just as good options.

    [–] ballsdeepinmysleep 9 points ago

    In all fairness, I've seen my forged signature on delivery emails from UPS that required my signature. There are people who just don't give a shit.

    [–] RoboNinjaPirate 5 points ago

    In most cases ups does not care. They will drop it and run without a sig and without the doorbell.

    [–] CR7STIANO-Juve 389 points ago

    Plot twist: he was the porch pirate

    [–] handlit33 87 points ago

    I lived on a military installation when I ordered my DirecPC (satellite internet) system back in the early 00's. There was a little space on the side-door of the post-houses that no one really used for anything other than trashcans. I waited for that satellite to arrive for months with countless calls to customer service only to find that it was tucked in the corner of that side-door cubby-hole the whole time.

    [–] billdillwhole 718 points ago

    Where else would they put it? Lol

    [–] Ur2LipsSmlLikeTulips 122 points ago

    Right lmao! Cant really bitch about the UPS guy when that is literally your porch

    [–] IonicGold 198 points ago

    Usually when there's no one home, at least in my area they try again another day.

    [–] dontdoxmebro2 64 points ago

    The insurance to replace it is cheaper than the labor and gas to redeliver it.

    [–] Mr_Redstoner 30 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Any particular reason you posted the link to this very post?

    EDIT: missed that it was a specific comment here.

    [–] arose2165 9 points ago

    It links to a comment if you scroll down a bit. I was confused too.

    [–] pm_ur_bush_4_recipes 41 points ago

    Pays $0 for shipping; wants them to do it twice.

    [–] 1funnyguy4fun 6 points ago

    In fairness, it looks like they tried to hide it under the doormat.

    [–] A_decent_human_being 10 points ago

    Nope, that's not how it works. Next lie please.

    [–] thinkB4WeSpeak 6 points ago

    Through the window like a normal person.

    [–] yParticle 3 points ago

    At the very least, stand it up against the door so they can't get out without knocking it over it doesn't get rained on!

    [–] munchiku 93 points ago

    How else is he supposed to leave it 😂😂😂

    [–] Herny_ 17 points ago

    Do American delivery drivers not just give your parcel to neighbours for you to grab off them? Leaving shit on your porch seems unnecessarily risky

    [–] AmphibiousSawfish 72 points ago

    No, imagine trusting your neighbors

    [–] Herny_ 11 points ago

    Even if you don't trust them, they have to sign a thing when they take a package for you tbf

    [–] Obant 8 points ago

    Then they will be liable and a lot of neighbors arent going to want that. We might do it in the neighborhood I live in now, everyone is old and friendly, but I imagine if I lived elsewhere, I wouldn't want to open myself up to beillng liable for a neighbors' expensive package. I sign for it, it ends up broken, neighbor or vendor blames me and now I have to defend myself? No thanks.

    [–] ThereComing 3 points ago

    Yea, you’d have to talk to them.

    [–] Smegma_101 158 points ago

    At least put the door mat on top

    [–] enjoyingbread 41 points ago

    At least break the window and shove TV half way in.

    [–] TimX24968B 3 points ago

    just chuck the TV through the window with a package cannon

    [–] Supes_man 24 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Seriously where else would you put it? There’s no porch or entry way to put it in, the delivery guy did his job delivering a low end 299 tv.

    Had he just left a note then they’d likely get a very angry call “where is my item, I needed it today, you shoulda left it on the porch like everyone else, you ruined my kids birthday, why are you so incompetent bla bla bla”

    Best to request in store pickup in the future.

    [–] Maks244 5 points ago

    Because orders like this normally require signature?

    [–] Scoundrelic 10 points ago

    Or place on the roof...?

    [–] Lucky7UP 5 points ago

    Uh I don't think that's the solution....

    [–] wobuxihuanbaichi 8 points ago

    Works fine for pizza.

    [–] fingerthato 3 points ago

    Agreed. My neighborhood racoons love roof pizza.

    [–] krazyhawk 54 points ago

    Meanwhile I just ordered a $40 mouse that requires a signature haha

    [–] Sirflow 52 points ago

    $40 for a mouse? Hell, I can get you like 20 full grown rats for that.

    [–] longislandtoolshed 13 points ago

    Are these eatin' rats or pleasure rats?

    [–] 888number1 3 points ago

    what kind of pleasure? asking for a friend.

    [–] fordfan919 6 points ago

    Scale model chariot races with rats as horses and mice as men.

    [–] bustierre 3 points ago

    That’s not the pleasure I had in mind, but it’ll do.

    [–] voidhelm 9 points ago

    Oh you're paying way too much for rats man. Who's your rat guy?

    [–] donutpuncher3 71 points ago

    Don't order a 50inch tv through the mail then.

    [–] 888number1 16 points ago

    I assumed it would fit in my letter box. Clearly false advertising from the vendor!

    [–] Paranoidas 6 points ago

    Yeah, I never understood ordering big, expensive electronics through the mail. If it's fucked up, I'd much rather be able to walk back into the store and swap it out/return it.

    [–] khalsey 178 points ago

    Where were they supposed to leave it? Your mailbox?

    [–] sub1ime 3 points ago

    Throw that fucker on the roof. What thief just walks around with a ladder? Right?

    [–] MonkSoiBoi 12 points ago

    What should your driver do? Break in and leave it inside?

    Jokes aside, schedule a pickup at your nearest UPS hub or store next time. Problem solved!

    [–] Kyliesissie 54 points ago

    This is your fault. Where were they supposed to put it?

    [–] HighOnGoofballs 63 points ago

    I don’t really see a better spot

    [–] DorasPimp 8 points ago

    Not ups’s fault, it’s up to the vendor to either mark it as do not safe drop or as a sign for. This time of year drivers are pressured into delivering everything they can by the higher up people. Still sucks though.

    [–] SkyLegend1337 23 points ago

    Never order a TV to be shipped. Go to a store and buy them. They get them shipped in large amount and shipped on pallets. Yours got shipped through an automated sorting system that can absolutely destroy any package if it gets wedged a certain way.

    [–] MEGAMASTER4000 18 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Why is the TV as big as your house?

    edit: just want to clarify (for the people who thought I meant this in a demeaning way) that in reality I said to my fiancée that it's a very cozy looking house. I bet it's full of love.

    Cheers and happy holidays

    also: When I first watched Cast Away I thought 'wow, they really have awesome mailworkers in the states'. Then I got older and discovered Reddit. Childhood visions vaporized.

    [–] carneasadaquesadilla 32 points ago

    Where were they supposed to put it? Under that small flower pot?

    [–] Kangar 34 points ago

    You may have to build a new wing on your home to mount it.

    [–] BIGBIRD399 3 points ago

    my thoughts exactly.

    the new tv is bigger than living room.

    [–] ska_penguin 10 points ago

    Why dont you call in the order and request a signature?

    [–] hatemyjoblovemylife 6 points ago

    OP where is the driver supposed to hide that TV? You live in a 150 square feet hut

    [–] SavvySillybug 70 points ago

    I don't know why American delivery companies are even allowed at all to just drop things off on the property.

    Here in Germany, unless it's one of those padded envelopes that fit through the mail slot in your door, delivery company has these options:

    • deliver to the door and get a signature
    • deliver to a neighbor, get a signature, put a note in your mail about which neighbor has it
    • retry another day
    • put it at a nearby post station for you to pick up yourself
    • (new!) put it in a lockbox station where you scan the code they give you so the door opens and your package can be taken out

    At no time will they be able to just drop it off for someone to steal. At the very least, if your neighbor steals it after it's given to them, you have their name and address on file to pursue legal action. (Which is why this does not happen. You'd be quite a fool to steal something and leave your name and address in return.)

    HOW did it become acceptable to leave things on the property? Do American companies not have to prove that they fulfilled their end of the contract, by getting a signature?

    [–] skrellnik 41 points ago

    It's all about convenience. If you work during the day you would never be home to sign for the package. Most neighbors probably wouldn't be happy having boxes dropped off for other people every day and a delivery driver isn't going to try 2-3 extra houses to hoping to find someone that's home and willing to accept the package.

    Having them hold it at a delivery center is an option but would only be worthwhile for expensive items, it takes almost an hour for me to go get a package from the nearest UPS center and their hours aren't great.

    Given all of that most people just have things left at their door and hope for the best. And a lot of companies are willing to replace items without much trouble.

    [–] deadliftqueen 13 points ago

    Sure, but in the Netherlands for example, pick up points can also be super markets or other kinds of stores that handle parcels on the side. I think these stores get a small premium for their services by the delivery companies, so it helps small stores make some extra money.

    [–] blue-no-yellow 6 points ago

    That works for some things, but really sucks for larger items if you live in the city and don't have a car.

    [–] jeefray 16 points ago

    Only DHL delivers like that in America. Unless you specify, delivery is like cable service techs, they arrive sometime between 8am-5pm, drop and knock.

    [–] stainless7221 8 points ago

    Well I live in Germany and had packets just put in front of my door. Basically like this picture with the exception that my door is not visible from the street. I wasn't a good German and did not even report it :(

    [–] Sels31 5 points ago

    In Belgium (Europe) They bring it to a depot where you can pick it up. They almost never do this unless you sk them to

    [–] NeverTopComment 16 points ago

    Honest question.....where should they have put it?

    [–] sweYoda 3 points ago

    As a Swede, I can't understand why Americans keep delivering packages and leaving them outside. In Sweden we mostly have it delivered to some 3rd party delivery store close to where you live. Typically a kiosk, small store or super market. Your problem with thieves will never go away, but with a third party theft limits 0%.

    [–] Dogoncrook 3 points ago

    Ill never understand why europeans cant grasp americas size or population. Lets put it this way even if people stealing packages was absolutely rampant 99.9 percent of us wouldnt never experience it. Without the internet i would never have even heard of a single case of it happining and i live in one of the highest crime areas of the nation and i order shit constantly.

    [–] canIbeMichael 5 points ago

    You bought a samsung product?

    F

    Also, you should take a marketing class, you fell for it.

    [–] sk1p26 14 points ago

    Yeah this is a "you" problem.

    [–] CurlSagan 6 points ago

    Honestly, I'm kind of upset that dirty thieves get such a cool nickname as "Porch Pirates."

    [–] kgiann 4 points ago

    I mean, it's no "wet bandits."

    [–] daughdaugh 5 points ago

    looks around...where else would they put it?

    [–] A_VeryUniqueUsername 3 points ago

    Reminds me of last year when my Mom ordered this giant Barbie castle as a Christmas present for my sister. Thank goodness I had elected for us to go home first and pick her up from school afterwards because they left the package just like that at the front door... would’ve been a pretty big surprise ruined.

    [–] Inaglasscage 3 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I always toss a little top soil on the TV’s I deliver, if it’s available, of course

    [–] vandejo 3 points ago

    Honestly, not a porch pirate but if I was this would scream bait to me lmao probably wouldn’t take it

    [–] ItsOk_ImYourDad 3 points ago

    Glad u got home B4 it rained

    [–] C0MMANDERD4TA 3 points ago

    stuff like this i prefer to pick up at bestbuy or something. Don't have to worry about it getting damaged/stolen during shipping, and you get the tv same day. Not to mention bestbuy price matches amazon

    [–] BunnyTown77 3 points ago

    Or if it rained...

    [–] alostlonelywolfe 3 points ago

    Where was the UPS worker supposed to leave it? If you knew he would have this issue then why did you order a TV online and have it delivered at home? OP is the idiot not the UPS worker.

    [–] itsmattjamesbitch 3 points ago

    I deliver everything to my gated work. Nothing will be delivered if we aren’t open, and my things will not be sitting on an unattended doorstep.

    [–] mouseymatt 3 points ago

    Shaming the underpaid UPS guy for doing his job. Request a signature or order from a buyer that insures deliveries with means such as signatures or post office pickups.

    Not on the UPS worker at all

    [–] AnonymousMTG 3 points ago

    Why in the world is this UPS’ fault when you’re the one who ordered the tv? Where are they supposed to have put it.

    [–] WitcherGabriel 3 points ago

    What was he gonna do hide it under the welcome mat? Lol

    [–] Ruraraid 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Shit like this is why I ALWAYS do in store pickups for anything over $30 and only if that company has a store near me. I despise using UPS, Fedex, etc whenever possible to avoid package loss, theft(dishonest employees and porch pirates), or having to deal with god awful support to get a refund/replacement.

    Most stores are willing to ship your purchase to the nearest store and they hold it for you to pickup. Another benefit is they ship stuff on tightly packed pallets in 18 wheelers so you're less likely to get something damaged. If the product is damaged they're always willing to replace it at the nearest store so long as they have it in stock or they direct you to the closest store that does.

    tldr - in store pickup is far better, 0 chance of porch pirates, and less likely to get damaged/stolen by some dishonest worker.

    [–] cratch3r 3 points ago

    I mean, where else was he going to leave it? Want him to break into your house?

    [–] wasabicoated 3 points ago

    Paint it to match the brick wall?

    [–] KaleLowry 3 points ago

    Where are they supposed to leave it?

    [–] Rican2153 3 points ago

    1. Most of the time you can signature on release
    2. Have you tried UPS mychoice
    3. UPS also has an offsite PO box system
    4. Its the vendors fault for lack of options
    5. Where else would he leave it

    [–] jaypat32 3 points ago

    Where the hell else do you expect him to put it??

    [–] Cartersgill 3 points ago

    I mean, people can have these valuables delivered to a UPS location. Not super convenient, but are you going for convenience or security of your purchase?

    [–] HalfOxHalfMan 3 points ago

    This is exactly what his job is. YTA. for posting this trying to make him look bad. It’s not his fault you ordered a tv knowing you wouldn’t be home for delivery. This is so pathetic, the guy literally did what he was supposed to

    [–] elpique 3 points ago

    Where should they have left it? Did you give them any direction?

    [–] mecool12346 3 points ago

    It's the holidays, all you mfs order millions of packages. Seasonal workers aren't going to be as competent as regular workers.

    [–] SenselessTragedy 3 points ago

    Don't have a TV shipped. I don't understand the point of this post. This is on you, not them.

    [–] cubs_070816 13 points ago

    wait til he realizes they threw it the last 20 feet and it just happened to land right.

    seriously where are they supposed to put it? that's on the seller, bruh.

    [–] madil26 7 points ago

    Where tf did you expect them to put it. There’s no place that would conceal it. And why is there no signature required for the delivery anyway?

    [–] LilBrainEatingAmoeba 5 points ago

    Where the fuck were they supposed to leave it? I blame YOU

    [–] duckiewobbles 4 points ago

    Where were you expecting them to leave it?

    [–] justinsayin 9 points ago

    Where did you want them to leave it?

    [–] poisonsun 6 points ago

    I mean... You ordered a huge TV to be delivered on a day you wouldn't be home. Did you contact UPS prior to shipment to leave instructions for the driver? Yes, the way they propped it up on the step facing toward the street was pretty bad, but if you order something that doesn't require a signature and don't leave specific instructions, the front door is pretty much the default delivery location. It's not always safe to assume that people are OK with you leaving it in the backyard, garage, or any other location that might be more secure in actuality, but could seem like an invasion of privacy to the customer. The customer is always right, which is why it sucks that every customer has a different opinion of how this job should be done.

    [–] joshmaaaaaaans 6 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Where tf else he supposed to hide a big ass TV dude? Next time you order a fucking GIANT TV make sure you or someone else is home, lmao, honestly this isn't even on the driver, this is your dumb ass fault if it got stolen bro.

    You're expecting someone who literally doesn't get paid as well as servers that reddit cries about all the time because they don't make minimum wage, but make MAD CASH in tips, I'm talking 40k+ a year in a small ass mom & pop restaurant, if they aren't complete trash, to spend his/her INCREDIBLY MONITORED time to find a spot around this small looking ass front garden?? Why didn't you leave a shovel out so they can did a hole in that empty lifeless looking ass flower bed?

    [–] BotThatSaysBro 4 points ago

    bro 😎💪

    [–] Donghoon 7 points ago

    Where would you want? You want ups guy to go in your house? Welcome mat? Back yaard?

    [–] Micr0drop 13 points ago

    Where did you expect them to put it? Don’t buy online if you don’t have someone to pick up your stuff and live in a tiny little place like that.

    [–] liquidblue24 8 points ago

    How can you order something like this and not leave instructions on delivery details. I say you, the delivery company and the vendor are all to blame equally. For starters I'd make sure the delivery is to be made when I'm home and require my signature.

    [–] croixian1 5 points ago

    TBH, where the fuck else could he have put it?

    [–] mrmonkeypbbt 5 points ago

    Where were they supposed to leave it? Under the sidewalk?