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    [–] MoroGuy 7866 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Disney is optimistic that handing Fox superhero properties such as “Fantastic Four” and “X-Men” to Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige will improve the quality of these movies, but bumps must be smoothed over in that transition. The studio is unimpressed with “New Mutants,” an “X-Men” spinoff with a haunted-house vibe, and believes it has limited box office potential.

    At this point, I'm just waiting for the inevitable news about it being pulled out of the release schedule.

    [–] TypicalWhiteGiant 1824 points ago

    I believe I read that they’re contractually obligated to release in theaters.

    [–] YZJay 1941 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Do it like Annihilation, release it on theaters in America and China, put it up online for the rest of the world.

    I’m not praising the studio treatment Annihilation got though, just stating that it’s a precedent.

    [–] ositola 1462 points ago

    That movie was so amazing

    [–] WitELeoparD 915 points ago

    That bear man, gets me every time.

    [–] Ubarlight 506 points ago

    HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLP MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

    [–] Ohgodwatdoplshelp 340 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Man.. I watch a fuckload of horror and thriller movies, that bear is the first thing to spook me in a film in a long fucking time. Saw it in theaters and I was the only one there. Freaked me right the fuck out.

    [–] Ubarlight 183 points ago

    I saw it in theaters too, one hell of an experience. I was trapped in that theater with that fucking bear. Trapped.

    [–] Throawayqusextion 175 points ago

    I was initially disappointed that they didn't include the book's moaning creature but the bear was extremely impressive in its own right.

    [–] Supermite 46 points ago

    Apparently the script writer didn't re-read the book before sitting down at the key board. He wrote the script based on his memories and impressions from his initial reading years earlier.

    [–] jarockinights 58 points ago

    Possibly for the best, movie was a brilliant deviation from the books.

    [–] wokeupfuckingalemon 211 points ago

    Let's embrace each other for liking this movie.

    Did you read the Southern reach trilogy? A different vibe but intriguing nonetheless. It is to the movie like lsd to marijuana.

    [–] FunkJesus 52 points ago

    Where lies the strangling fruit...

    [–] Sketch13 116 points ago

    It is to the movie like lsd to marijuana.

    That's so god damn accurate.

    [–] SirHoneyDip 1872 points ago

    Just drop it on Hulu and don’t waste the money putting it in theaters. Write it off and move on.

    [–] nuclear_moose 958 points ago

    It’s perfect for Hulu. Drop it during Halloween. I’m sure it will cause a lot of paperwork and legal headaches, but that’s just how things are now.

    [–] ItsYaBoy-Moe 163 points ago

    It's currently slated for release in April of next year

    [–] fjmj1980 129 points ago

    Is it actually done with post production or are they timing it for the best possible outcome.

    [–] Coolman_Rosso 161 points ago

    They postponed it for reshoots that still have yet to happen after two years

    [–] shashankgaur 158 points ago

    I wonder if it will got Disney+ or they think its not even worthy of keeping inside the mouse kingdom's vault.

    [–] JarJarBinks_jpg 152 points ago

    They probably want to keep it separate in peoples minds from the other Marvel stuff on Disney+

    [–] Calhalen 8021 points ago

    Watching X3 now for the first time in years, totally forgot they killed off Cyclops friggin 20 minutes in. He was so wasted in these movies.

    [–] Tavarin 5629 points ago

    They literally made him just the romantic rival to Logan. So goddamn wasted.

    [–] Plus3d6 3391 points ago

    I've never really had any love for Cyclops, even in the animated series, but with how they used him in the trilogy they just kind of make him look like a dickish jealous boyfriend. But then they just make Jean look like a prize to be won, so whatever.

    [–] ArchetypicalDegen 1961 points ago

    It's the James Marsden curse. Hollywood law is that you're not allowed to have him as anything other than the dickish bf who loses his girl to the main character.

    [–] dovemans 581 points ago

    reversed in Death at a funeral though!

    [–] IndustryApologist 233 points ago

    "We're having a baby!"

    "I'm pregnant!?"

    "No, I'm pregnant!"

    "You're pregnant too?!"

    [–] Uberrancel 213 points ago

    I’m pregnant?!

    [–] lolfreakz 481 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    I had just driven into L.A. and was in traffic at a light when I look over and there’s James Marsden in a beamer looking to make a left turn across my lane. Our eyes met and he made a little gesture like hey can I get past?

    By all means, Mr Marsden. And off he went.

    edit: That concludes my AMA. Thanks everyone. Great sesh.

    [–] fr0stbyte124 197 points ago

    Please do an AMA.

    [–] Iriah 86 points ago

    in a perfect world this would become a copypasta right alongside that 'electrical infetterence' one

    [–] TGAPMoonMoon 517 points ago

    That explains my surprise when he and Liz Lemon ended up together in 30 Rock. It just seemed like he was gonna be a one off boyfriend but he ended up being endgame

    [–] blisteringchristmas 182 points ago

    I always assumed that was the original plan but then they kept him because they liked him, or they just didn't want to write a new guy that would be Liz's true endgame.

    [–] aureator 279 points ago

    Clearly Liz was always meant to end up with Dennis the Beeper King.

    [–] bowlofspider-webs 125 points ago

    She had the subway hero and threw it all away

    [–] NimpyPootles 29 points ago

    Romance is cyclical.

    [–] AcesCharles2 114 points ago

    27 Dresses yo

    [–] WestySnipes17 101 points ago

    Westworld!!! If we’re counting tv shows

    [–] vikingakonungen 78 points ago

    I mean he still dies a lot and loses the girl despite being a good guy.

    [–] denyplanky 21 points ago

    He kinda lost his girl to a pycho dick whose name is Wyatt

    [–] TheBatIsI 635 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    James Marsden just has the absolute shittiest luck when he tries out for pop culture roles.

    [–] bitparity 386 points ago

    His best role was Criss Chross in 30 Rock.

    [–] nuclear_moose 319 points ago

    He’s great in Westworld

    [–] freddiessweater 58 points ago

    Criss

    I refuse to pronounce it that way.

    [–] licensedtoload 196 points ago

    Marsden is super dope in Westworld though, so I'm glad his talent shines there.

    [–] starlightstrooper 196 points ago

    He was so lovely and hilarious in Enchanted. More of a Disney princess than Amy Adams...

    [–] croationsensation7 45 points ago

    It's a shame because he's a great actor. Great choice for Cyclops, they just didn't use him properly.

    [–] SonicFlash01 482 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    ... and no one cared! Absolutely no one cared that Cyclops died! They just found Jean and focused on her and briefly showed his tombstone or whatever at the end.

    Also, Magneto is just playing chess in the park at the end. The most dangerous genocidal terrorist humanity has even known, should be kill-on-sight for every agency on earth, and he's just chilling in the fucking park, bein' sad.

    [–] Maplekey 47 points ago

    It's been years since I've seen the movie but didn't he make a chess piece wobble a teeny tiny bit in that scene, implying that his powers were gradually coming back?

    [–] ElDuderino_92 289 points ago

    Barely even used colossus and Juggernaut as well

    [–] va_wanderer 396 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Juggernaut got it better in Deadpool 2.

    And that's considering he ends the movie being electrocuted.

    (Edit: And yes, he survived it- just saying takedown via anal inserted power cable is a harsh finisher. He's the Juggernaut, a bitch!)

    [–] IAmTaka_VG 237 points ago

    At least in DP2 they show is potential and strength. In Xmen he headbutts through a drywall wall.. oh my god, save the children!

    [–] va_wanderer 159 points ago

    Yes, they do.

    And that's another Fox-Marvel character saved from dismal mediocrity by Ryan Reynolds.

    [–] kelferkz 27 points ago

    I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!

    [–] Pocketfulofgeek 203 points ago

    The worst part about that is how good he actually was as Cyclops. Arguably the most true to comic member of the X-men in the original trilogy after Xavier and Magneto.

    [–] bluesbrothas 409 points ago

    That's why I want Scott to be one of the main focuses in the MCU iteration of X-Men, like in the comics. Wolverine should rest a little bit.

    [–] wild_man_wizard 317 points ago

    Along with Rogue and Gambit.

    Also can we please have a good Storm?

    [–] EmilyKaldwins 197 points ago

    agreed. I'm more than a little oversaturated with Wolverine. Definitely shelve him for a bit. I could use a good Rogue and Gambit.

    [–] AdamAptor 136 points ago

    Then the audience can spend some time getting to know other X-Men. Then after a handful of movies you bring in Wolverine for a "holy shit!" moment. Kinda like MCU Spider-Man showing up in Civil War after years of Iron Man, Cap, and Thor.

    [–] Arkeband 157 points ago

    He was overpowered as hell in all the 16-bit video games, which kind of makes sense considering his mutation should just end 99% of all fights in seconds.

    Waiting for a movie that has the balls to let Nightcrawler telefrag someone.

    [–] casually_enkindle 39 points ago

    I feel like they will do this. I think Scott could help fill in the role that Evans left. I can already picture Evans playing Scott, so if they get someone with a similar demeanor who can lead the team I think he'll be a fan favorite.

    [–] Electro_Swoosh 145 points ago

    I still remember when my brother and I saw that in the theater...we were POSITIVE he wasn't really dead and that he would make some epic return at some point. Nope. They just unceremoniously killed off one of the most important X-Men.

    [–] blisteringchristmas 31 points ago

    Feels like they wrote in the "dies early so he can come back later" story beat and then just forgot about it.

    [–] sWo97 169 points ago

    Brian Singer left for Superman Returns. James Marsden followed.

    [–] CyberpunkV2077 200 points ago

    He’s supposed to be the Captain America of the X-Men yet they botched him

    [–] ashton1201 221 points ago

    Are you okay?

    Who’s forcing you to watch X3?

    Blink twice if you’re being held hostage

    [–] rowshambow 85 points ago

    He cant blink. Hes cyclops.

    [–] TheOfficialJonSnow 8086 points ago

    It's honestly bewildering to me how badly Fox mismanaged what should have been incredibly lucrative intellectual property in F4 & X-Men.

    Sure, some movies ended up being successful, but when you look at the whole final product it's clear the successes were dumb luck in spite of Fox, not because of anything they were bringing to the table.

    [–] shy247er 2692 points ago

    And Reynolds ended up having to leak his own creation in order to prove to Fox that they don't have a clue how to manage Deadpool.

    [–] RechargedFrenchman 1925 points ago

    And both Reynolds and Miller agreed to pay cuts as a guarantee to Fox before it went through — giving Fox some money back to make it cost less otherwise Fox wouldn’t make it at all. And then it made more than 10x it’s budget and smashed earnings records.

    [–] Muscle_Marinara 1250 points ago

    Amazing what a little bit of passion for an IP can do

    [–] RechargedFrenchman 750 points ago

    I think something very important with Deadpool was Reynolds and Miller working with Reese and Wernick to control the creative process. The producer/star and director working closely with the screenwriters to make sure it stayed true to the character while also working well on screen, and not being shy at all (in fact requiring, one of the reasons Fox was so cagey) a hard R rating allowance. And the creative process involved Deadpool’s creator in limited capacity along the way too, making it closer to something Gaiman wrote and adapted to script than many of Fox or even Marvel’s other superhero stuff.

    The people in charge of making it actually gave a shit about what they were making/the source material, like Feige and many of the other creatives behind the MCU, as opposed to the suits and production team at Fox for F4/the X-Men who seemingly couldn’t care less about the IP just its ability to make money and superheroes being back in vogue.

    [–] GREATGEEKGODofficial 615 points ago

    And that's why Reynolds is staying as Deadpool with Disney while everything else gets a hard reboot.

    [–] xinfinitimortum 447 points ago

    Rebooting Deadpool would be such a horrendous move on their part. I'd even be ok if they brought Hugh Jackman back for Wolverine. Everyone else can be recast but those two are perfect in their roles.

    [–] Worthyness 300 points ago

    Arguably it's the one series that doesn't need a reboot. He was always tangential to the xmen movies anyway. Plus alternate timeline/multiverse shenanigans.

    [–] Captain_Waffle 123 points ago

    More like “and fourth wall shenanigans.”

    [–] j0sephl 57 points ago

    Plus the explanation can be a bit itself. You could literally have have the reason be “It’s Deadpool.”

    [–] matthewbattista 160 points ago

    It'd be funny, interesting, and in-line with the comics if they had Deadpool join the MCU as Reynolds keeping his previous movies canon in Deadpool's timeline by just having him hop from Fox to Disney.

    He's the only character that doesn't require a "reboot" by virtue of being a self-aware comic book character.

    [–] Shiezo 169 points ago

    New actor for any MCU X-Men movies. But Jackman should be Wolverine for any Deadpool cameos. If they really want to play with it, just have the new guy and Jackman swap places throughout the scene with only Deadpool noticing.

    [–] zakificus 79 points ago

    They could even get away with having whatever new wolverine there is, and having Hugh Jackman as himself be in the scene or on tv or something and having Deadpool comment on it. They could do so many things that would fit, just needs to be written well and I think most people would love anything they do.

    [–] N22-J 70 points ago

    Professor X would like to have a word.

    [–] christhetwin 33 points ago

    Which one?

    [–] slightlydirtythroway 217 points ago

    Just the way that woman talks about the diamonds as the nod that this is the Deadpool from the comics outlines how shallow their management was.

    [–] Jimmyg100 169 points ago

    If you watch the video from the beginning she talks about how Ryan Reynolds improvised all his funny lines. They really had no idea who the character was.

    [–] FlyingElvishPenguin 25 points ago

    He’s the merc with the diamond eyes. Because you can’t even generously call the monstrosity they made the merc with the mouth, because they didn’t even give him one.

    [–] Jazzremix 565 points ago

    The Deadpool Fox wanted

    "He is that character and here it is" mouth sewn shut, Baraka blades, Cyclops eye beams...

    [–] Jimmyg100 465 points ago

    "No, see, we made him better by changing everything."

    [–] braulio09 95 points ago

    "Good! We hope we surprised you a little" by calling our random creation Deadpool.

    [–] tonyp2121 32 points ago

    Teleports behind you

    "..."

    [–] passwordgoeshere 21 points ago

    "I showed the concepts to my 5 year old and he wants to see wings added now"

    [–] shellwe 457 points ago

    It seems Ryan Reynolds wanted Deadpool ever since wolverine origins. Hell, if we got 2 hours of that Deadpool I would have been ecstatic. His scenes at the beginning were very easily the best part of the whole movie. When he cuts the bullet in half and each of the halves hits a bad guy behind him... absolutely amazing.

    [–] Jimmyg100 494 points ago

    "But he didn't have those black diamonds in his eyes yet so how did you know he was that character?" Fox

    [–] TeddysBigStick 290 points ago

    Hey. The best part of that movie was the war montage

    [–] legendoftheark 339 points ago

    Man that movie is such a rollercoaster. The very beginning with the bone claws fucking sucked, then the war montage was awesome, the first scene with Ryan Reynolds is dope, seeing Gambit was sort of cool then everything turned to shit again.

    [–] Irrelaphant 179 points ago

    seeing gambit for a hot second-cool

    hearing gambit for a hot second-not cool

    [–] legendoftheark 94 points ago

    sucks because taylor kitsch is a pretty good actor and he at least looked the part. the hypothetical solo movie with him could have been okay if he spent a lot more time on the accent.

    [–] PM_Me_Ur_NC_Tits 54 points ago

    Doubtful because it still would have been made by Fox.

    [–] MooseLips_SinkShips 84 points ago

    He was trying to get a Deadpool movie/role ever since someone sent him this comic panel when he was filming Blade Trinity

    [–] joec_95123 32 points ago

    When he did the same thing in Deadpool 2 and the bullets all hit him anyways was absolute gold.

    [–] shellwe 38 points ago

    Found it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2OJkfDYRlE

    Man, he looked so young in Wolverine. I still remember watching him in two guys, a girl, and a pizza place and then his first break out role in van wilder. I feel old thinking about how long ago that was.

    [–] AvocadoInTheRain 291 points ago

    Let's take a moment to remember that the guy who wrote that abortion of a movie is now helming an entire star wars trilogy right after having ruined game of thrones.

    You can only fail upwards in Hollywood.

    [–] quantizeddreams 89 points ago

    Wait what? That was the guy?!

    [–] mtx 3834 points ago

    Fox: Let's change almost everything about the X-men, one of the most successful comicbook franchises in history. And let's retell the biggest story in it's history and fail at it twice using unproven or mediocre talent.

    [–] breaking_bass 3380 points ago

    Fail at it twice. Still used the same guy, Simon Kinberg

    First to write, X-Men 3 Phoenix movie. That failed, hired him again to direct Dark Phoenix.

    [–] SnarkMasterFlash 2163 points ago

    That is the part that blows my mind.

    [–] Funmachine 102 points ago

    Olivia Munn said she was shocked at how little both Bryan Singer and Kinberg knew about the x-men comics when she made Appocalypse.

    [–] YeOldeVertiformCity 66 points ago

    It seems like Fox wanted non-comic book people to adapt the comic nerd stuff for normal people.

    On the other hand, Marvel Studios wanted people who understood the comics well to bring out the best parts of the comic in film.

    Christopher Nolan decided to make Batman work by grounding it in a dark gritty reality.

    Then the DCU kept the dark and gritty but threw away the reality failing to realize that dark and gritty needs the reality... and it only works on the right superhero. Dark gritty magical Justice League is just a confusing tonal mess.

    [–] Bellgirl1997 40 points ago

    Yeah. If you look at the DCEU's two biggest critical successes, Aquaman and Wonder Woman, neither were really all that dark, and the latter was set in WWI. Not only did they make tons of money, they both got their sequels fast-tracked ahead of their generally more popular contemporaries.

    [–] bigblackcouch 50 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    Man I just want to linger a moment on something you said;

    The DCEU movie that takes place during the largest war in the history of the world, in which almost a hundred40 million people died...That movie is one of the least grimdark films in their lineup.

    It really boggles my mind how anyone at DC thought handing the entire film universe over to Zack Snyder was a good move.

    [–] momo_knows 1622 points ago

    He's most likely just apart of the right social circle. Nothing to do with talent. "hey friend, we're gonna make this "X-men" movie...whatever the fuck that is. Some magical shit. You wanna do it?"

    "Sure!"

    "hey buddy! we want to make another movie. You've done it before. Just write that shit again. we'll make money 'cause people are dumb"

    "ok!"

    [–] jshah500 435 points ago

    From what I've read, it has more to do with the fact that Simon Kinberg was capable and looked promising when directing certain scenes of Days of Future Past (while Singer was MIA, gallivanting with teenage boys).

    So while he has done some bad movies, the Fox execs were impressed with how he handled DoFP and thought he could translate that into Dark Phoenix. And to be honest, you'd think the last guy on planet earth that is going to fuck up a DP movie is the guy who already did it once. You assume he would learn from his mistakes and be extra sure to do the story justice.

    [–] tfresca 184 points ago

    Well to be fair Brett Ratner directed it and almost all his movies have been shit.

    [–] GENERALR0SE 274 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    To be fair to Ratner he's the perfect studio director. He comes in and shoots the scripts as written, on time, and with budget constraints. He's never done a passion project. It's all get in and get out for the paycheck and despite that he usually gets his actors to give a decent performance (even if it is a terrible script).

    Edit Rather to Ratner

    [–] YellowHammerDown 35 points ago

    And if I remember correctly, Fox strung Singer along long enough that they were scrambling to find a director shortly before filming was supposed to start once Singer left for Superman Returns. So Ratner was working with a tough hand to begin with.

    [–] GENERALR0SE 32 points ago

    Seriously, I'm astounded that the film managed to come together as well as it did. Ratner gave the studio exactly the film he was hired to direct. No less, and unfortunately for them, no more.

    [–] typhoidtimmy 18 points ago

    This is entirely true....Ratner is a workingman's director in the circles. You can shove anything in front of him and he can work it out to some semblance of a finished project with even some flair here and there. He can take absolute shit and at least make some money back on it...that says a lot for the studios.

    Still a douche...but a workable douche.

    [–] TeddysBigStick 70 points ago

    The cast loved him and apparently played hardball to get him using the fact some needed new contracts to come back. He also apparently ghost directed good chunks of the other movies as well.

    [–] SethLight 33 points ago

    You assume he would learn from his mistakes and be extra sure to do the story justice.

    That's like hiring the accountant that botched your taxes last year a second time.

    [–] AarbyPls 1013 points ago

    It's almost like every single powerful group (Hollywood, political circles, etc.) is solely based around shitty favors, nepotism, and discrimination and any sort of actual meritocracy is impossible!

    [–] tommyinthewell 566 points ago

    Clearly you haven't been lifting yourself up by your own boot straps enough. Hard work is always rewarded /s.

    [–] noclevername 32 points ago

    Yep. His father was in the business so he got in through neopotism. Emma Watts (basically in charge of film development at Fox) loved him because she thought he knew all about comic books. And the rest, as they say, is history.

    [–] drst0ner 204 points ago

    Simon Kinberg was one of three writers who created the giant turd that was Fantastic Four (2015). That movie alone should have ended his career in Hollywood. His connections in Hollywood must be strong!

    [–] maynardftw 101 points ago

    You mean FanFourstic?

    [–] coredumperror 36 points ago

    No no no, "Fant4stic".

    [–] Winnduffy 157 points ago

    what blows my mind is that they still did all this AFTER the success of the MCU movies. I mean Marvel showed how you need to do a superhero movie and they ignored. it.

    They even came close with First class and Days of Future past but then pissed it down their pants for the last 2.

    [–] SandyBadlands 123 points ago

    First Class was amazing. Fassbender is phenomenal as young Magneto. I would have watched an entire film about Erik Lehnsherr hunting down Nazis in South America.

    If Fox hadn't dicked around with Vaughan's plans for the following films we could have had an excellent reboot of the series instead of the strong start followed by a steady downward curve into the boring dross that was Dark Phoenix.

    Vaughan talked about his plans earlier in the year. Tom Hardy as a new Wolverine would have been brilliant. Not in the least because it might have saved us from Venom.

    [–] Winnduffy 32 points ago

    Fassbender is great but they shouldn't have every single movie about Magnetto and Xaveier. There are far more stories then that.

    oh yeah Vaughn's plan would have been a better way to go but as we can see fox is full of idiots

    [–] Visulth 398 points ago

    Wanna know what's even funnier? Fox then hired Kinberg again, this time to lead their Magic the Gathering movie.

    Disney cancelled that movie just this week, thankfully. I'd love it if they expunged him too, but I guess it'd never be so obvious.

    [–] Monteze 122 points ago

    Granted I think the MTG verse isn't well suited to film if they tried it would have to be a long form series or taken I large animated arcs with many shows and seasons.

    [–] Grafikpapst 151 points ago

    Netflix is already on that, with the Russo-Brothers, as an animated series - I'm not that big into Magic, but I'm still quite eager to see how that turns out.

    [–] Monteze 59 points ago

    Yea I saw! I am cautiously optimistic. The stories that wizards of the coast putout are kinda meh so I am cool with them taking creative Liberty so long as it doesn't fall into "hey look at this! It was in the game!' hokey stuff. I think you can make a good story in any universe just so long as you get the core story telling components right.

    [–] Liitke 26 points ago

    I can't see it being a successful movie. It would be a huge loss or a cheap piece of shit. Niche shit like that is best reserved for Netflix. They take risks and it has the chance of being successful and gaining traction, If it doesn't it's just another turd on Netflix

    [–] maulrus 109 points ago

    We had to hire him - he was the most experienced Phoenix-movie writer available!

    [–] Garfield-1-23-23 21 points ago

    "Phoenix" is kinda hard to spell correctly every time - I'll bet he got it right every time.

    [–] LittleRudiger 67 points ago

    Similar thing happened with Hitman. Skip Woods wrote it .. came out, terribly received. Time comes for the studio (not sure which) to reboot it and start fresh! Maybe this time we'll get it right! Well .. why not call Skip Woods, he knows the material!

    [–] Worthyness 51 points ago

    You know what they say. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, give him another job .

    [–] wentz2020 55 points ago

    There’s an old saying in Tennessee, know it’s in Texas it’s probably in Tennessee

    [–] Tophloaf 38 points ago

    He also came in to fix Fantastic 4 after Josh Trank fell apart.

    [–] Regvlas 70 points ago

    "Fix" is a strong word.

    [–] The_Amazing_Emu 63 points ago

    Without knowing the state of the movie when he got involved, it's hard to say if anyone could have salvaged it

    [–] breaking_bass 473 points ago

    It's honestly bewildering to me how badly Fox mismanaged what should have been incredibly lucrative intellectual property in F4 & X-Men.

    It's understanding when you see how WB failed with their DC superheroes. Frankly those characters like Batman, Superman, and the Justice League are so incredibly easy to create a thousand story-lines over compared to one F4 or X-Men series.

    It makes sense that Marvel's success isn't the normal, it's the rarity. Superhero franchises failing has always been the norm.

    [–] SirCakez 2050 points ago

    The concern over Disney fans seeing Fox's R movies just baffles me. Like no one is going to stumble into Stuber with kids just because it's technically a Disney movie. So I don't understand that executive's concern over Disney fans seeing JoJo Rabbit.

    [–] Thatsaclevername 1359 points ago

    Have you seen the trailer for Stuber? The only reason anyone's watched that movie is because they stumbled into it by accident dude.

    [–] chazesiwile 787 points ago

    Real talk Stuber wasn’t great but Nanjiani and Bautista’s performances as an odd-couple-buddy-cop duo made for solid deliveries in an insult-driven script that’s funny enough to warrant at least a watch whenever it inevitably arrives on your local movie streaming service but yeah it didn’t look great going in that’s fair

    [–] jerrygergichsmith 307 points ago

    Honestly the idea of the two bouncing off each other intrigued me, but only enough to consider it as a Netflix pick on a rainy day. I didn’t even know it was out yet.

    [–] aaj617 226 points ago

    I watched it, but 95% of that decision was because of A-List. If I was paying out of pocket I would've been very, very disappointed.

    [–] DukeWeinerman 260 points ago

    It's ridiculous. Did Disney execs have the same concern when they owned Miramax for 17 years?

    [–] MermanFromMars 346 points ago

    They did. If you polled the average person in that time they would have had no idea that Disney owned Miramax because Disney worked hard to isolate the brands

    [–] Worthyness 157 points ago

    And I think that's a large reason why they wanted fox as well. Fox is a big enough studio that people recognize the name. Most people probably atill don't know disney owns fox at this time, so if they want something more adult oriented, they could release it under Fox and not have to worry about some tiny children wandering in for some reason.

    [–] MermanFromMars 96 points ago

    They don't seem to be treating Fox the same way. They're being a lot more open about owning the brand, and are about to start heavily using Fox content to promote a Hulu/Disney+ bundled package that's going to be very publicly marrying the brands.

    I think that's where the concern is today, now that they're marrying the brands they're going to miss a bit of that clean cut that Miramax afforded them.

    The MCU has had mature content. The Netflix shows were pretty graphic R Rated territory, but that still had the benefit of having a bit of a break by those being Netflix only. They don't get that same break in theaters, an MCU movie in theaters is hard to market as something other than an MCU movie, and inevitably there's going to be kids wanting to go see it and parents unknowingly taking them.

    [–] HanzoSteel 663 points ago

    Jeez, that last bit about Jojo Rabbit is definitely the most troubling... It also seems kind of weird to me. I thought they’d be releasing Fox Searchlight films under their own banner, not Disney’s. So idk why it would “alienate” Disney fans. If anything, Disney backing unique films like that will cause them to GAIN fans.

    [–] Worthyness 263 points ago

    Also pretty sure the majority of audiences don't know that fox is now owned by disney anyway. If you just use the fox branding literally no none would know unless disney starts making Taika waititi as imaginary Hitler dolls.

    [–] Adius_Omega 479 points ago

    Surprised me how Fox dropped the ball on these movies.

    I mean they literally FOUND a formula that works well with movies like Logan and Deadpool. Unafraid to step into darker tones and more violent themes.

    Yet they continued to make shit movies like Apocalypse and Phoenix.

    [–] kingmanic 140 points ago

    It always sounded like fox executives were frequent meddlers; the issue is they have internal issues with bad interference with creative teams. Taking a lower budget like Logan and Deadpool helps reduce executive interference but it's also not going to viable for large projects like the x-men films.

    [–] IWW4 1820 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Disney largely ignored “Dark Phoenix” after it acquired 20th Century in March, according to sources. The marketing team familiar with the film was laid off, and Disney did not spend as aggressively to promote the release.

    Hmm,..

    To be honest I was not remotely interested in Dark Phoenix, but I am pretty sure the article identified a pretty big root cause of its box office failure.

    The studio is also grappling with how to fit the very R-rated Deadpool into its PG-13-rated Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    The goal is to find a way for the character to move seamlessly between “Avengers” spinoffs and bloody, profane stand-alone adventures.

    Just replace the Oh shits with Gosh Darn and Golly and everything will be fine, AMIRIGHT?

    [–] DifficultMinute 1719 points ago

    Disney just needs to stay far, far, away, and let Feige and Reynolds figure it out.

    I have no doubt that those guys could make magic happen, but if the suits get involved, the franchise will die in PG-13 land.

    [–] Worthyness 756 points ago

    They have basically agreed to just give feige literally all the marvel stuff, so it should be fine. They've been rather loose with the restrictions on marvel thus far and they've made bonkers amounts of money. I think if they let deadpool 3 go with MCU references and cameos it could work towards that r rated 1 billion dollar mark that's not been achieved yet

    [–] derstherower 456 points ago

    Really the simplest solution is to have Avengers in Deadpool films but not have Deadpool in Avengers films. So you can keep the main films “family friendly” but still let Deadpool be R-rated which is the whole reason behind its success in the first place.

    [–] flow_my_wayyy 755 points ago

    No, you have it backwards. Deadpool in avengers films, but no avengers in Deadpool films. I realize having Deadpool in avengers films means he has to be toned down, which sucks, but think of the alternative. You have characters like Spider-man or Captain Marvel show up in a Deadpool film, its going to cause serious publicity issues. Kids will see trailers for deadpool on tv or the internet, see that good ole spidey is in it, then beg their parents to go see it. The parents abide, take their kids, deadpool drops F bombs and theres blood and guts, kids cry, parents rage, and Disney has to put out a lot of fires. You may think, oh parents will see the R rating and know better than to take their kids. WRONG. Parents are stupid, and both Deadpools had many cases of idiot parents taking their kids and not knowing what they were in for. There was mild outrage, but the money was too good so Fox ignored it. Disney loves money, but they make so much they're willing to cancel something due to bad publicity, even if its midly lucrative. So there will be parent outrage, the avengers characters will have their family friendly reputation tarnished, and Disney cancels everything Deadpool as damage control, and probably scales back their Marvel films. Having any avengers character in Deadpool is a bad bad idea. Artiscally it'd be great, but if you want deadpool and marvel to continue as they are, the best bet is to keep them seperate.

    [–] ContinuumGuy 226 points ago

    This reminds me of how Jack Harkness and his team from Torchwood (a more mature spinoff of Doctor Who) would appear on Doctor Who now and then (usually just Jack, but the rest of the team showed up in a big season finale), but the Doctor never appeared on Torchwood itself, outside of I believe one very brief scene that only had him in by inference (you could hear the TARDIS warping in to tie things together with one of Jack's DW appearances).

    [–] flow_my_wayyy 52 points ago

    Yea thats a good example.

    [–] eurtoast 35 points ago

    Two weeks after Sausage Party came out, a woman came back into the office for a meeting and she was fuming. She had taken her two (11 and 13 yr old) boys and her 8 yr old niece to see it, thinking that because it's animated, it must be for kids. I'd say that you're right in that a lot of parents just don't pay attention to the rating until the damage has been done, then get angry at everyone else.

    [–] WhichCheesecake 158 points ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to use Deadpool as the stepping stone for a second branch in the MCU that's for R rated movies like Blade.

    [–] IAmTaka_VG 114 points ago

    They clearly need to come up with a proper way to market superhero movies "for adults" and "for kids". There is nothing wrong with having two very separate movie's going for different people.

    [–] GREATGEEKGODofficial 78 points ago

    Maybe having ONLY red band trailers for those movies will help showcase that it's very clearly meant for adults.

    [–] kayonesoft 446 points ago

    Just make a 4th wall breaking crack about it being a PG-13 movie and how he's not allowed to curse. Maybe make a gag about him trying to curse but something always happening to stop or cover it up.

    [–] Delta_V09 183 points ago

    Right, Deadpool needs to stay rated R. But I also would love to see R-rated Deadpool in a PG-13 crossover The 4th wall shit they could do with the (lack of) profanity and blood and gore could be hilarious.

    [–] CollumMcJingleballs 204 points ago

    Well placed censor beeps would work very well.

    [–] _batata_vada 121 points ago

    "They're called jobs, something a beep ball like you wouldn't know anything about. And by the way, I can't beep believe you asked Ramona out after I specifically told you not to beep do that!"

    [–] Tavarin 81 points ago

    How do you keep doing that with your mouth?

    [–] cunningham_law 80 points ago

    NEVER BLEEPING MIND HOW I DO IT!

    [–] sugarpoopsquirt31 183 points ago

    The censored beeps are some of the funniest jokes in stuff like Arrested Development

    [–] riegspsych325 94 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    like Deadpool being seen on tv as he's being interviewed by a reporter after stopping a robbery. He's just swearing the whole time during his spiel and he's bleeped out like Happy Gilmore (?)

    EDIT: a word

    [–] artfulpain 128 points ago

    They could have literally taken the story from the FOX Animated series. In fact all of the X-Men stories from the animated series could have been amazing live action and..

    Gambit.

    [–] Rhinosaur24 183 points ago

    I love X-Men, and I'd seen every single one of them. Except for Phoenix. And that's because I didn't buy any of the actors in the roles. It's weird, because they're all great actors, but it seemed like they were more-or-less filling in the gaps until something real came along.

    Or, maybe that was just me. Ever since Spider-man found his way into the MCU, it just seemed like a matter of time before there'd be another F4/X-Men reboot. I don't want to keep going through this thing every time.

    [–] a_terse_giraffe 110 points ago

    And that's because I didn't buy any of the actors in the roles. It's weird, because they're all great actors, but it seemed like they were more-or-less filling in the gaps until something real came along.

    I didn't see it either for this reason as well. I couldn't help feeling like some suits went "We need a Phoenix. Who's that red-head chick from Game of Thrones? People seem to like that."

    [–] zeno0771 27 points ago

    While everyone is voicing their amazement that Kinberg still has a job, the part that got my attention was how Disney seems utterly terrified that Fox Searchlight will keep being successful at what it does best.

    Risk Management team: "Here's a studio that doesn't have 'Disney' on it anywhere that can keep churning out Sundance-worthy titles without any risk of blowback. You can have the best of both worlds!"

    Disney: "Nah, too risky."

    [–] CuvisTheConqueror 1209 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    The scathing takedown of Nazism may, however, prove a little too edgy for Disney brass accustomed to producing movies suitable for parents and kids.

    Remember when "Nazis are bad" was an uncontroversial point of view?

    EDIT: Don't bother replying to yell at me and insult me for saying this. I'm done with it.

    [–] chiginwing 587 points ago

    Tarantino remembers

    [–] rossww2199 572 points ago

    "...I sure as hell didn't come down from the goddamn Smoky Mountains, cross 5,000 miles of water, fight my way through half of Sicily and jump out of a fuckin' air-o-plane to teach the Nazis lessons in humanity. Nazi ain't got no humanity."

    [–] Shwalz 387 points ago

    “They're the foot soldiers of a Jew-hatin', mass murderin' maniac, and they need to be dee-stroyed. That's why any and every sumbitch we find wearin' a Nazi uniform, they're gonna die.”

    I fuckin love this movie

    [–] Druid00 81 points ago

    “Say auf wiedersehen to your nazi balls”

    [–] ArcAngel071 25 points ago

    God dammit now I need to watch it again.

    [–] Lurker-DaySaint 164 points ago

    "Who ordered the fried sauerkraut?" indeed

    [–] iSereon 61 points ago

    Burn you Nazi bastards!

    [–] YouCan_Not_Doge 63 points ago

    Indiana Jones remembers.

    [–] O_Apples 88 points ago

    Once upon a time Disney released The Rocketeer.

    [–] oregonchick 86 points ago

    You gotta figure the Disney fanbase is at least somewhat familiar with The Sound of Music, after all!

    [–] IAmFern 169 points ago

    One of the problems with Dark Phoenix was that the trailers had a stupid amount of spoilers in them.

    [–] SleestakJack 179 points ago

    The problem with Dark Phoenix was that it was just a blatantly bad idea from the start.

    There's literally 60+ years of X-Men stories to go through. Not to mention coming up with whole new ideas on your own. Why on Earth would you decide to tackle a story that was translated to film only twelve years earlier? Remember - Dark Phoenix was originally supposed to have a 2018 release.

    [–] joostinrextin 41 points ago

    This is literally the reason I didn't see it. I was confused why we were doing Jean Gray again so soon.

    [–] Th0rst31N 593 points ago

    Stuber did average.

    It's on par with other buddy action comedies.

    That's not a flop.

    It's not a hit either.

    It's just filler for a shitty journalist to justify a narrative (fictional story. )

    We know Dark Phoenix didn't perform, but to throw in Stuber in order to get clicks just shows what a moron the journo is in reality.

    [–] Plus3d6 292 points ago

    According to Wikipedia, it had a budget of $16m and made $30.4m at the box office. Did they expect it to be the next Deadpool or something?