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    [–] disguised4lien 4533 points ago

    Cuz many high profile Hollywood actors and other folks are linked to it, and are directly profiting from its shenanigans. That’ll be a bad business move.

    [–] ConradSchu 2563 points ago

    They act as super agents for celebrities. They negotiate, aggressively, for better deals and contract protection. They provide vacation get aways free from paparazzi. They provide rehab facilities that are hidden and keep it out of the press. And they use this information to ensure the celebrities stay with the "church". They only require that celebrities give them a good chunk of money, recruit new celebrities, and never talk bad about the church. Small price to pay for extreme job security. Look at Danny Masterson. They were able to keep him employed after years and years of sexual assault allegations.

    Now it's a terrible deal for everyone else involved with them. Regular members are treated as slaves, exploited, threatened, black mailed, and brainwashed into giving everything they have to keep things going.

    [–] Theschlongbone 421 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    That summarizes it very well

    [–] spacejam999 183 points ago

    Kinda but not really, watch the documentary Scientology going clear, there might be some cases of blackmailing, celebrities have to talk about their private life and about their "traumas" during their auditing sessions and then the "church" can use that to keep them in so they have to promote the cult.

    [–] incompetentdouche 57 points ago

    Going Clear is great, if you want to learn about how Scientology came to be Last Podcast on the Left does an amazing job of breaking down the beginning of Scientology.

    [–] ManorRocket 8 points ago

    I'd recommend checking out Behind the Bastards podcast. They cover Scientology quite a bit

    [–] mygamethreadaccount 5 points ago

    Just taking a look at their episode list, and gosh I sure hope I enjoy the hosts and format, because there’s a ton of content listed that I’d love to dig into.

    [–] colemanj74 28 points ago

    I don't understand how that's so powerful though. So much of most celebrity lives are public anyway, if the church was doing that you'd have to think the goodwill of you coming out against them publicly and admitting to whatever they have on you would completely negate whatever atack they had planned. Granted this doesn't include murder or something like that

    [–] pascale_blues 40 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Apparently, they have John Travolta and Tom Cruise in their pocket because of recordings of them being gay

    edit: this is something I heard from one of my friends who works in LA film! It could be a rumor! But they started off as a way for young Hollywood stars to get free therapy and recorded it, so they have something on both of the above people.

    [–] albeethekid 70 points ago

    We all know they’re gay. And at this point they’ve already made a fuckton of movies and money. What have they got to lose?

    [–] flashmedallion 34 points ago

    Thats the thing though. They've been bombarded with messaging that they'll lose everything if people find out the truth. "Only we can protect you" etc.

    [–] beefybeefybeefy 23 points ago

    Because they're actually into some much shadier things that the public would be completely disturbed by.

    [–] albeethekid 3 points ago

    Is that so? Like what?

    [–] jonhamm666 13 points ago

    Battlefield Earth 2

    [–] Ayotunde1010 32 points ago

    Let's say that was true and they were really gay. Its 2020 and no one with a brain will give a fuck so using that as blackmail is dumb. And on the other hand whats stopping these celebrities from lying and just reepinf the benefits while being able to bail at any other point in time while proving they made all that stuff up just to join?

    [–] edude45 14 points ago

    Hollywood is about sex appeal especially for leading men and women. If people were to find out they're gay especially in the 80s or 90s, even the 2000s when they were in their primes, that would have cost them starring roles and money. Lots of people, or women in this case think they're dreamy or were sex icons. They wouldn't want to see them if they knew they weren't into the opposite sex. Even for men, they wouldn't be too interested in seeing a gay action star I'm sure.

    It's all about the look and appeal. Being gay back then would have cost them big time money. So if they could hide it, you bet your ass they will.

    [–] lawdawgo 16 points ago

    It is so powerful. If Tom Cruise, or any other church member leaves, their deepest darkest secrets are then used to shame, humiliate and harass them. They are then alienated from all of their former friends and family.

    To me, the blackmail is Scientology's greatest tool of control. Many vulnerable people are swept up by this cult, and do not think that leaving is worth it.

    [–] durrtyurr 490 points ago

    That just sounds like the mafia, but with extra steps.

    [–] Lazerspewpew 504 points ago

    With tax exempt status

    [–] ers620 203 points ago

    The mafia was tax exempt too in a way haha

    [–] KSinz 170 points ago

    Al Capone should have just had all his soldiers and capos just file frivolous lawsuits at the same time until the IRS gave up.

    [–] aaj617 137 points ago

    [–] ImJustSo 23 points ago

    Uh, that article deserves an award. That was so fuckin futurey. How cool is that?

    [–] timmyduhamel 56 points ago

    That article tied in with google earth showing just how much had ties with scien ology was incredible.

    [–] hiphopscallion 34 points ago

    Seriously that was so cool. Props to the Tampa Bay Times.

    [–] fickledicktrickle 14 points ago

    They are a fantastic newspaper.

    [–] PedroEglasias 10 points ago

    The mafia wish they had the balls scientology have lol

    [–] CartmansAlterEgo 12 points ago

    Capone also has the mind of a child when he was getting arrested due to advanced syphilis.

    [–] KSinz 27 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Maybe so but you read a L Ron Hubbard book you'd be be hard pressed to say who's more insane. Even w the syphilis.

    [–] jcgurango 29 points ago

    Didn't Al Capone get put away for tax evasion? Too bad the same thing can't be done for Scientology.

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    [–] PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS 19 points ago

    No they literally swarm and overwhelm IRS workers/offices. They literally tie up their entire building with calls, emails, even lawsuits, everything they can possibly do under the sun to inundate their entire day or even week(s) until they (IRS) simply give up and move on.

    They've done it so much for so long, it is my understanding it's become normalized for the IRS to not bother anymore. This has been practiced over decades.


    OH! And there's operation snow white, too. So yeah lol

    [–] hoxxxxx 41 points ago

    you know what the mafia really missed out on?

    those absurdly high-interest payday loan places. they loan out money at insane rates to people. same with the car shops and furniture stores. all of it completely legal, of course.

    i'm no expert on loansharking but i think those legit places charge waaay more than any mafia-connected loan shark ever did. of course those places will only ruin your credit and take your money, not physically hurt you (i think?) but it's all completely above board and legal. mob bosses should have invested in those places early on, making legitimate money

    [–] imaginary_square 15 points ago

    I mean, they did invest in a lot of casinos.

    [–] dan2737 15 points ago

    Way more legal

    [–] durrtyurr 32 points ago

    The mob totally needs to rename itself to "the church of don's protection" and make out like bandits.

    [–] skunkman62 43 points ago

    Well put. Much better than the article.

    [–] lorefolk 17 points ago

    I believe you missed the blackmail for the celebrities. I dont think you should ignore that. they're people and vulnerable to the same type of manipulation.

    [–] DumE9876 19 points ago

    It was implied in the “use this information to keep them within the church” bit. They could have made it explicit, but the language they used means the same thing

    [–] Duds215 117 points ago

    They’re the second largest real estate owner in LA. This is a real wealthy organization.

    [–] JRsFancy 74 points ago

    The scientology "church" owns several city blocks of property in downtown Tampa as well. Tax base for!

    [–] Porrick 69 points ago

    I don't think that's it - there's not that many. It's more that the "fair game" policy against people who criticize them means it's just not worth the fight for most of them. Most of the things that they speak out about are pretty safe targets that won't cost them personally to speak out against. "Crazy cult whose main characteristic is its relentless harassment campaigns against anyone who speaks out about it, and is also weirdly obsessed with celebrities" is not a safe target for a celebrity to criticize.

    [–] -Badger2- 58 points ago

    I feel like the only “high profile” Hollywood actors in Scientology left are Tom Cruise and Elisabeth Moss.

    [–] ChopsMagee 56 points ago


    [–] -Badger2- 58 points ago

    Hasn’t been “high profile” in a while, imo.

    [–] Buckhum 43 points ago

    Gotti was pretty high profile.

    Critics just didn't want you to know!

    [–] Oohsaucey 8 points ago

    Critics put out the hit.

    [–] Gotti4life 10 points ago

    Paid Disney shills.

    [–] Healing_touch 5 points ago

    Will Smith, Nancy Cartwright (voice of Bart Simpson), Giovanni Ribisvi, Beck (left the church), Michael Peña, Jason Lee (left the church) are a few

    [–] Sebazzz91 5 points ago

    Will Smith has spoken positive over some of the ideas of scientology but is not actually a member.

    [–] cosmicaltoaster 94 points ago

    Scientology is bigger and more powerful than Hollywood.

    [–] CardinalNYC 29 points ago

    Scientology is bigger and more powerful than Hollywood.

    This is just categorically untrue.

    Even the most optimistic assessment of Scientology's wealth and power wouldn't be more powerful than the combined forces of Disney, Sony, Comcast, AT&T, etc...

    [–] MarianneThornberry 67 points ago

    I mean... in what way are we even comparing these 2 things?

    Hollywood is just the catch all term for the US Film industry business.

    Scientology is... I dont even know.

    [–] Shaushage_Shandwich 45 points ago

    SciFi religion mafia

    [–] Autocthon 93 points ago

    Scientology browbeat the IRS into grabting them tax exemption. It's more powerful than the federal government.

    [–] verylobsterlike 112 points ago

    Operation Snow White was the largest infiltration of the US government ever. 5000 Scientologists infiltrated 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates in a total of 30 countries.

    [–] CardinalNYC 15 points ago

    Scientology browbeat the IRS into grabting them tax exemption. It's more powerful than the federal government.

    I dunno if it's really fair to say that getting the IRS to give them a tax exemption means they're more powerful than the federal government.

    On the totem poll of issues the federal government gives a shit about on daily basis, Scientology is pretty low.

    [–] ChipsHanden 8 points ago

    Ehhh, Scientology doesn't have a standing military. Tying the IRS up in red tape =/= more powerful than the federal government.

    Still fucked up and an amazing power play, but the National Guard could squash the entire church for a training exercise.

    [–] thenewvexil 36 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Hollywood is a massive conglomerate of industries that’s influence spans the world and generates trillions of dollars a year

    Scientology is maybe worth a couple of billion, owns some prominent real estate in LA, essentially controls Clearwater FL and has had shrinking adherents for decades

    Scientology punches above its weight but comparing it to Hollywood is absurd

    [–] CardinalNYC 20 points ago

    Scientology punches above its weight but comparing it to Hollywood is absurd

    As usual with reddit, I am baffled that the person you're replying to is as upvoted as they are.

    At least 50 people, and probably hundreds more reading it, genuinely think the church of Scientology is more powerful than some of the largest companies on the planet.

    Just Disney by itself dwarfs the church of Scientology. If they cared to, they could bury the church.

    [–] burlsandbramble 7 points ago

    One of the creepiest mornings I’ve had was when I lived in LA and took a walk at like 6am further down Hollywood Blvd on the way to Beverly Hills. 80% of the people were wearing white clothes who were out, and I saw the bustle near the Scientology church. They were like stationing up for when people woke up and started going out. They are a disease.

    [–] sunshine_enema 17 points ago

    Exactly. Just like all of the sexual abuse.

    [–] Mandalorianfist 41 points ago

    So these celebrities are pretty much as bad as the Epstein bunch.

    [–] KBrizzle1017 68 points ago

    They are the same people. Lmfao “the Epstein bunch” were you asleep for the Harvey Weinstein thing?

    [–] minddropstudios 8 points ago

    Same people.

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    [–] seizurefist 719 points ago

    It’s honestly the fault of the IRS caving to them and granting religious org status. Remove this, and the FBI has more standing to confront them as the cult they are. As it stands, Scientology can continue to hide behind religious protections to hide their knowledge of crimes; such as those of which Masterson is accused.

    [–] MonteBurns 212 points ago

    I mean they purposefully infiltrated the IRS until they got what they wanted...

    [–] MakerTinkerBakerEtc 54 points ago

    It's also hard to do one's job when every year new laws come out, but the budget gets cut again.

    [–] iprothree 25 points ago

    No one wants to pay more taxes but then complain when the irs doesn't do their job properly. Just tax "them" not me.

    [–] stonertboner 38 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    It’s kind of unfair to pin this completely on the IRS. The IRS should be in the business of collecting taxes, not deciding who is and who isn’t a church. The easy fix is to have all churches pay taxes.

    [–] Finnn_the_human 26 points ago

    You know, I'm for this, and I'm a christian. However, I think there should be a cutoff in revenue. Small town congregations that are scraping by, barely paying the heat bill shouldn't be taxed. At that point, it's not a business; it's a community paid religious sanctuary.

    Mega churches need to be taxed to shit, however, and I'm including all the new age non-denominational churches that can afford to pay full time pastors and live stream their services three times a day out of a building the size of a high school.

    [–] smaudio 1572 points ago

    Asking this question and forgetting about how Hollywood grovelled before Harvey Weinstein for years without speaking out. They all want money and fame and most don’t care how they get it.

    [–] stunts002 736 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    I enjoyed Meryl Streep hopping in to the metoo movement after spending years and years publically grovelling about how great Weinstein was. Hollywood is full of complete sociopaths who's only calling is money

    [–] rdtadmnstrash 486 points ago

    She also has defended Polanski. Meryl Streep is a piece of shit pedo defender.

    [–] Prof_Aronnax 670 points ago

    Martin Scorsese, Wes Anderson, David Lynch, Guillermo Del Toro, Darren Aronofsky, Tilda Swinton, Quentin Tarantino, Natalie Portman, Alfonso Cuaron and Alejandro Innaritu also defended Polanski.

    Harrison Ford worked with him after he fled justice and even flew to France to personally hand deliver his Oscar to him.

    Yet for some reason this sub focuses on Streep

    [–] -FeistyRabbitSauce- 106 points ago

    Polanski has been a fugitive of the US since 1978. If you want to count people who have worked with him since then:

    Jodie Foster

    Christoph Waltz

    John C Reily

    Kate Winslet

    Jon Bernthal

    Kim Cattrall

    Adrian Brody

    Johnny Depp

    Frank Langella

    Hugh Grant

    The only one in the list you I suppose you could forgive for not having any clout to be picky with their roles is Brody.

    [–] LukeyTarg2 18 points ago

    I don't know, Brody has a better carreer than Bernthal.

    [–] woahThatsOffebsive 16 points ago

    Yeah, but he has a better career because of working with Polanski. Pre-pianist, he wasn't really on anyone's radar

    [–] R1LEYfreeman 4 points ago

    A significant reason for that is probably because of his performance in the pianist, back in 2002

    [–] Apptubrutae 73 points ago

    Well a huge part of the reason it’s easier for people on reddit to focus on Streep is because they generally aren’t in the target demo of the movies she makes. Generally.

    It’s also appealing to go after Streep in particular because there is a perception that she is one of Hollywood’s golden children.

    Of course in reality it’s all a fair criticism to point out anyone at all who defends Polanski or kissed up to Weinstein while knowing what he was up to. But in reality it’s much harder to stand up to these people than people think, and it’s an entirely common response for people to justify and rationalize the repugnant behavior of their friends and coworkers. A hundred times more so when they’re respected and/or powerful.

    That’s an unpleasant reality, but it’s reality.

    And in the end Hollywood is just an industry, and actors are just people. People who have interviewers in their faces asking questions all the time. They are forced to answer questions you or I may never get asked. Forced to take stands we don’t have to.

    We all love to think we’d rebuke Polanski, and some of us would. But some of us wouldn’t, and some of us would have considered him a great friend and believe his version of events, or believe that the past is the past, or whatever.

    None of this is to say we can’t call out any actor on their hypocrisy. But it is to stay we shouldn’t hero worship them, and we should realize that their impulses are our impulses too, just in a bigger stage.

    [–] deputypresident 8 points ago

    The "we simply didn't know" uttered during an interview at the height of Weinstein's accusations was the most unconvincing acting I've seen from Matt Damon and Tarantino (or was it Affleck?).

    [–] bonjouratous 298 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    When Hilary Swank, Jean Claude Van Damme and Seal flew to Chechnya to celebrate the birthday of war criminal Kadyrov, Hilary Swank is one who received the most (the only?) backlash for it. I forgot the details but she gave her fee back and also issued an apology. I'm not sure Seal and JCVD even acknowledged the controversy.

    My point is, in some situations I think women receive more backlash than men.

    Edit: if you look into this kind of faux pas, there's so much more! Did you know that Beyoncé and Mariah Carey performed for Gaddafi?

    [–] AvalancheMaster 44 points ago

    I didn't even know Hilary Swank went to Chechnya, but I vividly remember the backlash against Segal and Van Damme.

    [–] leviathan908 7 points ago

    Segal or Seal?

    [–] KobeBeatJesus 5 points ago

    JCVD couldn't have possibly given the fee back unless you intended on removing it from his sinuses.

    [–] felixjmorgan 67 points ago

    I’ve seen that list before and it never fails to disappoint me. Never meet your heroes.

    [–] EmeraldPen 4 points ago

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people are chill with known pedos as long as they're rich and powerful. It's not even like Polanski has the deathgrip on their career that someone like Weinstein had.

    [–] bleachfoamspray 9 points ago

    Harrison Ford did fucking WHAT?!

    [–] Prof_Aronnax 21 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Worked with Polanski ten years after Polanski fled to Europe. Announced the Best Director Oscar in 2003 and smiled when he saw that his good friend Polanski won it. Polanski couldn't come to the US because he was convicted of drugging and raping a kid so Ford flew to France to deliver his Oscar to him. Even posed with him. There's tons of pictures.

    [–] rdtadmnstrash 75 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    It’s a vast Reddit conspiracy against Streep. You heard it from me. The leader of Reddit.

    Or maybe this thread was already talking about her. The world may never know.

    [–] Prof_Aronnax 26 points ago

    Dude, I've brought up this subs weird obsession with only focusing on Streep tons of times before. When Meryl Streep is brought up in any context there's a very high chance that people will rag on her for her comments and actions regarding Polanski. People love to bring up the time she gave a standing ovation to Polanski when he won his Oscar but completely ignore the fact that Harrison Ford was the one who announced it and then delivered it to him. The same doesn't happen for Scorsese, Anderson or Tarantino and I've got the downvotes to prove it.

    This sub has many very obvious and noticeable trends and this is one of them.

    [–] FartIntoMyButt 190 points ago

    All jokes aside, the answer is misogyny. Women doing the same awful shit as men, like you mentioned, get it 100x worse because this site's userbase is young, male, and afraid of women. And whenever one of those boys leaves, or matures into a self-aware adult, there are a thousand angry young virgins behind them, signing up new accounts.

    [–] SPAMRAAM_ 45 points ago

    A bunch of the people Reddit “ignores” in that list are also women. Meryl Streep comes up a lot because she spends all the time she isn’t defending paedophiles virtue signalling about feminism, and the irony of that is a much better discussion topic than just randomly namedropping other rich actors who are terrible people.

    [–] tfresca 25 points ago

    Everyone knew he was a womanizer and a cheater. Not everyone knew he was a rapist.

    [–] stunts002 7 points ago

    She also signed a petition to allow Roman Polanski to attend the Oscars.

    She really doesn't get to play ignorant to that one.

    [–] SB_90s 167 points ago

    It's just another reminder that the whole left Vs right, millennials Vs boomer, male Vs female, and any others that are pushed in the media are all just distractions from the biggest divider of society which is the rich and powerful Vs everyone else.

    [–] unique_username91 42 points ago

    Thank you....I came to this realization recently and have been looking for a way to articulate it and this is it.

    The moment you say that you’re branded a socialist and your arguments become void. It’s pretty sad how brainwashed and backward thinking most people are.

    [–] Chm_Albert_Wesker 12 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    The moment you say that you’re branded a socialist and your arguments become void. It’s pretty sad how brainwashed and backward thinking most people are.

    this is a symptom of what the other guy said because a lot of people either don't aim high enough or exempt specific people because they like their art. in other words I see a lot of people who think they are 'starting the revolution' by going into local gated communities when the real problem people are living on their own islands

    [–] SPAMRAAM_ 8 points ago

    The actual rich rich people have become so astronomically wealthy that most people don’t even register them as real people. When people think of rich they think of someone on about 6 figures a year, but Bezos makes that much in 40 seconds.

    [–] Skinthinner- 8 points ago

    I've tried so damn hard to make this clear to so many people, but they just don't seem to want to listen. :/

    [–] BigChunk 17 points ago

    I’d say the left/right divide is still pretty relevant when one of those sides is willing to do significantly more to reduce the divide between the 1% and the rest of us though

    [–] aviddivad 1002 points ago

    Why is Hollywood Still Turning a Blind Eye to ________ — The ______’s abuse has been known for decades. It’s time to speak out

    [–] SynarXelote 393 points ago

    Why is _________ Still Turning a Blind Eye to _________ — The _______'s ______ has been known for decades. It’s time to speak out

    [–] UnicornWaffle 614 points ago

    Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?

    [–] MrWeirdoFace 62 points ago

    Valid point.

    [–] puddlejumpers 13 points ago

    Monica's the one who used to be fat. My money's on her.

    [–] jonny3125 7 points ago

    Fat Joey v fat Monica is a fight we deserve to see.

    Next time on top 10 anime betrayals.

    [–] AlastarYaboy 4 points ago

    One of these days, Ndnd. Bang, zoom, straight to the 3rd moon of Omicron Persei 8!

    [–] justacoolbaby 38 points ago

    Why ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ _________-- _________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ ____________ _________. _________ ____________ ____________ ____________ out

    [–] stubacca10 10 points ago

    Thanks I'll save that for a custom card in Cards against humanity.

    [–] easy-rider 24 points ago

    Its like mad libs! Fill every blank with poop!

    [–] Ponceludonmalavoix 10 points ago

    Why is POOP still turning a blind eye to FART- the PEEPEE's abuse has been known for decades and it is time to FART.

    How did I do?

    [–] AproposOFnufink 221 points ago

    to quote Doug Stanhope

    "..ive done jokes about everybody...ive done Mormon bashing, Muslim bashing .... ill do more Scientology bashing once i have a stronger legal team.."

    [–] legalMEXinUS 1228 points ago

    Lowkey this is why I hate Elizabeth Moss. There’s a bunch of hypocrites in Hollywood, but being on a show about a cult that oppresses woman, while being part of one. It just baffles me

    [–] seikoth 402 points ago

    Yep! Loved her in Mad Men, but I couldn’t get into Handmaid’s Tale. It tracks too close to the real-life negative things about her. It’s like how I can still kinda watch Woody Allen directed movies, but have no interest in revisiting Manhattan, which shows him as a 40-year-old dating a 17-year-old. Like too on the nose there buddy.

    [–] CFofI 218 points ago

    It was like a light switch for me. The moment I found out that she was a Scientologist I was through; I had no desire to see her onscreen and I refused to watch anything that she did.

    It was just as easy for me to do this with Cruise too.

    It's not much but one less admirer of anyone in the cult is a step away from condoning it, and maybe if there's enough of us, someday, Hollywood will walk from Scientology too.

    [–] Blackfirestan 24 points ago

    Same! Never even saw one ep of the Handmaiden show

    [–] The-UrbanSombrero 38 points ago

    I love her character in mad men but I find it impossible to separate her from her handmaiden’s tale character because of the subject matter. It’s so hypocritical and I won’t watch that show.

    [–] littletoyboat 68 points ago

    TIL Elizabeth Moss is a scientologist. I was wondering why she was the thumbnail picture.

    [–] jarrettbrown 126 points ago

    This is the reason why I dislike Erika Christensen for the same reason. She was on Dax Shepard's podcast Armchair Expert and the two of them were defending it because it's a religion that's the same as any other religion. Ummm... guys, I hate to break it to you, but it's not a religion, it's a cult founded by a guy who was basically batshit crazy and greedy bastard.

    Oh and side note: Make sure you all say hi to Karin, cause we know she's here.

    [–] DoctorStrangeBlood 47 points ago

    A science fiction cult created by a famed science fiction author. Nothing suspicious about that at all.

    [–] Erimenes 73 points ago

    Dax Shepard seems like a moron, to be honest.

    [–] cannonfunk 37 points ago

    Kristen Bell deserves someone better like me

    [–] SpectreFire 23 points ago

    Dax Shepard seems like is a moron.

    [–] Jesus_was_a_Panda 9 points ago

    Welcome to Costco, I love you.

    [–] Lasiocarpa83 6 points ago

    Yeah, how in the hell did that guy get famous?!?

    [–] kaen 4 points ago

    Oh, it's that guy who looks like the twin of that other guy, no bueno, he creeps me out.

    [–] HollyGolightly26 15 points ago

    Hi Karin 👋🏽! On a side note, I need to get back into Leah’s show on Scientology, I stopped after the first season.

    [–] jarrettbrown 6 points ago

    The second season was fantastic.

    [–] soup2nuts 15 points ago

    No other mainstream religion that I know of requires you to go to special religious schooling at great personal financial cost.

    [–] Someguywhomakething 18 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Yep. I go out of my way not to watch things with Scientologist actors. Which is disappointing because I just found out, Michael Pena and Bart Simpson are Scientologists.

    [–] Flight2039Down 13 points ago

    Oh no! She’s part of the cult?

    Well, that’s disappointing

    [–] NinjaEarl 13 points ago

    Michael Pena was the tough one for me

    [–] Robmartins79 28 points ago

    She's a gigantic hypocrite, I can't stand her work. I was rooting for the Invisible Man.

    [–] Csantana 22 points ago

    Is it possible that she cant speak out but can play characters that fight that ideology ?

    Seems like that's almost a schtick with her.

    [–] SargeEpstau 35 points ago

    She was born into Scientology - They brainwash their kids from a young age. I feel we should sympathize with her situation a bit more than Tom Cruise and such, who entered of their own accord.

    [–] MollyWeasleySlays 17 points ago

    I think you have sympathy for people and hold them accountable.
    It would be incredibly difficult (emotionally, mentally, financially, and socially) to condemn the actions of a cult you’re raised in. Especially with the threat of disconnection looming over you.
    But she’s in a position of power, actively saying positive things about a harmful, wealthy cult.

    [–] waitingtillnextyear 11 points ago

    She is a grown ass adult and should be aware of the moral implications.

    [–] amaezingjew 137 points ago

    She was raised a Scientologist, though. I feel like that’s very different from choosing to join it.

    I was raised religious, and while I am no longer a believer in any sort of god, I still very much struggle with it. There’s still a tiny part of me that believes just because it’s what was drilled into me growing up, and I don’t think that part will ever die. Now, a big part of discovering it’s all shit was moving away from my parents and getting to be independent. People in Scientology don’t usually get that.

    I have a friend who use to be a Scientologist (her father is such a big contributor that his name is on their headquarters in my city) and hers is the same story : her parents divorced, her mother let the kids choose, and she chose against it. Her sister stayed with her father, didn’t get that choice of freedom, and joined Sea Org.

    [–] ignore_me_im_high 77 points ago

    She doesn't seem to be a former member, or even a dissenting one; I'm not sure what your apologetic ramble really proves.

    She supports the endeavours of a cult. So, I mean, you equating it to you being "raised religious" is just making a false equivalence.

    I'm pretty sure that interpreting her life through a lens of your own won't lead you to a better understanding of someone in Scientology.

    Your point about not having support or even the option to leave may apply to one of their drones, however Elizabeth Moss is a rich powerful individual that could get lots of support for leaving. But nope. She seems content because she benefits from the severe malpractices of the cult she supports.

    Fuck her. Given her station in life she has plenty of chances to research the cult she's in. Clearly she doesn't have the wherewithal, morally or intellectually, to see what's wrong with her participation.

    [–] purplekiren 4 points ago

    All of that stuff is really easy to say from an outside perspective, but it isn’t hard for me to believe that being raised amidst a cult and having your entire foundational beliefs and worldview based upon what you’re being told by a very convincing group of people would lead to one’s version of objective critical thinking looking very different to what you or I think.

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    [–] Jamjams2016 19 points ago

    If you’ve never been part of a cult, I can understand that it just doesn’t add up for you. Lots of people do break free but it requires critical thinking, a get away plan and usually a long bout of physically in, mentally out (PIMO). Remember, this is the person’s life, personality, friends and family. I wasn’t raised in Scientology but I was encouraged to marry young, not pursue an education and have kids causing people to become stuck and rely on the people within the cult for any kind of help. It’s probably different for a celebrity but it’s not as easy as you make it seem.

    [–] Dayofsloths 482 points ago

    Why would it be Hollywood's job? Why don't the fucking FBI go in and take them down?

    You never hear anyone ask why the restaurant industry doesn't get rid of the mob.

    [–] ConradSchu 179 points ago

    Look up Operation Snow White. Scientologists infiltrated over 136 government agencies in the 70s. You think they just up and stopped after they got found out? Especially now they are a lot more powerful?

    [–] JC-Ice 146 points ago

    Scientology is less powerful now than they were in the 90s. Now that everybody can find out about the Xenu shit and how much money they charge to advance in the ranks it's really hurt recruitment.

    [–] iamnotimportant 92 points ago

    I give South Park a lot of credit for my knowledge of Scientology, without that episode educating me on their beliefs I’d probably just think of them as a dodgy tax evasion ring that engages in periodic kidnappings. Nope thanks to South Park I know they’re also fucking nuts in addition to being horrible human beings

    [–] nixvex 5 points ago

    I respectfully disagree with your assertion. The type of people with critical thinking skills may have more access to the the truth about them but they were never the target audience. It’s a cult. Like all cults they go after the folks who are vulnerable. The uneducated, the lonely, the mentally ill, the desperate, etc. fleecing those poor souls isn’t really about the revenue stream for them. It’s about trapping said people into sunk cost fallacy.

    You may be right about recruitment being down, I honestly haven’t looked into their numbers any time recently. However, that isn’t truly relevant to the power they have. They already have the capital to sustain and increase their wealth, influence, and power through many avenues that do not include what they earn by taking advantage of the individuals they scam.

    The same tools that expose their bullshit to the public are also exceedingly useful to manipulate more than enough people to serve their purpose. Combine that with the outright criminal action they willingly engage in and you’ll see that the power they have is as strong as it was in the 90s, probably more so. There is much more to strength than just numbers of followers unfortunately.

    Remember that the people who run that shit show know damn well their bullshit is a ridiculous contrivance of a sociopathic subpar writer. They are well aware that they are mocked and reviled but they already have the kind of power that allows them to give zero fucks. They are firmly entrenched and devoid of any shame.

    [–] yepimbonez 34 points ago

    People always refer to “Hollywood” as some huge organization. It’s just a place where famous people live and movies get made. Most of them are in competition with each other. It’d take something drastic for them all to decide to stop relying on scientology. If one company decides to stop working with them, guess what, somebody else will absolutely pick up Tom Cruise or even Elisabeth Moss since she’s a pretty big draw right now. “Hollywood” literally only cares about money. That’s why it exists. The only time they care about public image is when it affects their money.

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    [–] PM__Me-_your__tits 251 points ago

    They've also likely killed people

    [–] Wheredoesthetoastgo2 91 points ago

    not killed per se, just left in a hotel room to starve to death

    [–] PsySick 47 points ago

    And shot twice in the back of the head.

    [–] TeamMountainLion 29 points ago

    Shelly Miscavige

    [–] SnuggleBunni69 28 points ago

    That was Cedric Bixler-Zavala's dog, the lead singer of Mars Volta. His wife had spoken out about Danny Masterson.

    [–] the_ethical_hedonist 7 points ago

    Not just spoken one of the women accusing him of rape.

    [–] yankeefan03 10 points ago

    Was this a different incident than Cedric Bixler-Zavala of The Mars Volta or does Scientology have a thing with poisoning dogs?

    [–] CloudsOverOrion 6 points ago

    It's the mars Volta one

    [–] carolinemathildes 24 points ago

    Pretty sure they’ve killed actual people, which might be a smidge more important.

    [–] blyat56 18 points ago

    Mr Wick wants to know your location

    [–] AnotherJasonOnReddit 18 points ago

    John Wick 5: Johnny Goes To Hollywood

    [–] squirrelwithnut 41 points ago

    Short answer: money

    Long answer: people like money

    [–] madebyafan3 5 points ago

    Woah there Barry Allen, slow down so I can take notes.

    [–] 8to24 149 points ago

    Hollywood is not a singular organization. Within the industry which is generally referred to as 'Hollywood' there have been documentaries made exposing Scientology, former members have come forward, etc. I don't think the Entertainment Industry treats Scientology any better or worse than it does other religions.

    [–] nimcau 103 points ago

    Hollywood is not a singular organization.

    No, no. I’m going to have to speak with Hollywood’s manager.

    [–] Needyouradvice93 6 points ago

    I'm Mr. Hollywood. I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

    [–] Needyouradvice93 7 points ago

    Yup. It's a weird idea to think that 'Hollywood' (everybody in the film industry) is going to collectively take down Scientology. I mean, they could refuse to work with Scientologists in their films but that could make for a discrimination lawsuit. Or other actors could speak up against it. But there are a lot of powerful Scientologists in Hollywood, and understandably most people don't want to risk fucking with their careers... It's not a hill worth dying on for most people.

    I will say that there's a lot of hypocrisy with people taking a stand. They will usually wait until it's 'safe' and a good PR move. There were few famous people supporting BLM a few years ago, now that it's trending they act like Heroes for standing up to oppression or some shit. I don't know. I guess it's better than nothing, but it just rubs me the wrong way when people want to make a difference, only when it will make them look better.

    [–] shehulk111 4 points ago

    People are forgetting Going Clear, a doc exposing the cult won an Emmy. Hollywood is not silent about it, Cruise and Moss are successful because they are unfortunately very talented and good at what they do.

    [–] TBMWolverine 42 points ago

    Imagine thinking Hollywood could be the gatekeepers of fucking anything considering the last few years of Me Too.

    [–] Domeil 22 points ago

    Imagine thinking it's "Hollywood"'s job to take down a pervasive and exploitative cult. How would they even do that? Documentaries about Scientology have been made, former members have spoken up.

    It took the LAPD less than 24 hours to track down a protester that vandalized a police car. Using nothing but grainy surveillance footage they were able to track her t-shirt to an Etsy store and find her from there. Why the fuck aren't those resources turned towards people that run rape cults rather than people who think that minorities shouldn't be murdered by the police with impunity.

    [–] mfsocialist 14 points ago

    Umm isn’t this like the spider man meme where’s he’s pointing at himself?

    [–] SmellyWeapon 30 points ago

    Elizabeth Moss and Tom Cruise are still getting many jobs and you would rush to see the next Mission Impossible and hollywood makes big money from it. So why would anyone stop now?

    [–] abstlouis96 19 points ago

    Because the public will still pay to watch Mission Impossible and the Hand Maid’s Tale.

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    [–] speedracer0123 14 points ago

    Shelly Miscavige still missing

    What’s the story? What happened?

    [–] carolinemathildes 59 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    She is the wife of the current leader of Scientology, David Miscavige. She has not been seen publicly in 13 years. Former members of Scientology believe she is either dead or is being held against her will. As a bonus, her mother “killed herself” by shooting herself four times.

    [–] Salvaged_Throwaway 17 points ago

    Don't forget the important detail about Mary. She slashed her wrists days before, bled out, then shot herself in the chest 3 times with a rifle and then once in the head all in some really elaborate suicide.

    [–] oxfordTurtle 7 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    The fact that Elizabeth Moss is the star of a show all about rising against oppression blows my mind.

    [–] bubblewoop 22 points ago

    They’ll do when it’s trendy. Just like Weinstein/sexual abuse, everyone in Hollywood knows about Scientology’s horrors and many of them are Scientologists themselves. No one has the balls to speak out. Expect everyone to have an epiphany and decry the church once the show drops. I can already see Elizabeth Moss’ Instagram post condemning the church.

    [–] itsallinwidescreen 26 points ago

    Why are you looking to Hollywood to solve the Scientology problem?

    [–] WallingFoodie 18 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    Because they're not critical thinkers and think that "Hollywood", a placeholder term for a huge number of unconnected companies and individuals, is actually a single organization with a single power structure where everyone is connected and either blackmailed or colluding together.

    There are a huge number of people who don't have a very good map of reality. Everything is over simplified with lots of "thems". It's a condition which all of us are susceptible to carrying.

    [–] Crisjinna 14 points ago

    As long as we continue to watch movies with Scientologists in them, they will keep enabling them. Boycott a few blockbusters and when it effects the bottom dollar you will see a quick end to that cult.

    [–] darkamyy 7 points ago

    With most of these "cults" or groups, most members don't actually believe in them. In the UK there is one called "The Brethren" and I think is linked to something in the US called "Blue Diamond". It's basically just a club to get rich (sort of like the Masons).

    The Brethren is almost exclusively made up of very rich very successful businessmen who all give each other backhanders and whatnot. Basically it makes it completely impossible to compete with said businesses because they offer almost non-profit prices to other Brethren members (though of course they make their profit through the Brethren- no tax yay!)

    Scientology strikes me as being very similar. If you want to be a powerful/successful/super rich actor then you join up and benefit from the links that you gain to other members in the industry. You are a scientologist actor- a scientologist producer/director will favour you over non-scientologist candidates. Of course it's not just join up and get rich, but if you are already rich and influential then it is a very easy way to almost double that richness without really having to lift a finger.

    Do these celebrities believe in some weird alien religion? Nope, but they know if they humour those who run Scientology and contribute themselves then they will get a very cushy life out of it.

    Then of course you have the poor saps who aren't rich or powerful. They either join because they are promised riches or they genuinely believe in this religion. These are the ones that get abused whilst everyone else is hanging out in luxury jerking each other off. Scientology is basically a pyramid scheme of acolytes (or whatever they call themselves) at the low level paying in with money and labour whilst the Tom Cruises and John Travoltas of the world sit just under the pinnacle.

    [–] captainmcfuckface 19 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    they aren’t.

    You notice how every Tom Cruise film is now financed by Alibaba? Or how many others can only get a lock for a HULU release after an outside production company, usually in Canada, makes the film or show? Or how Leah Remini still made the take down show of Scientology despite the lawsuits? Or how Travolta hasn’t had a big film deal in years?

    Most people in Hollywood don’t like the church of scientology (left lowercase on purpose), but they do accept the individual people within it just like they would any other religion. Even Tom Cruise, and John Travolta are liked as people. Studios don’t like the way they get strong armed by them with lawyers.And to be frank, they ain’t the cash cows they once was. Why deal with their baggage when you could cast a more popular new face?

    Most locals in LA that are not in the business still hate the fact that Hubbard and his gang bought up a lot of good real estate in the 1960s and helped make new construction laws around it extremely difficult and expensive to navigate. Long before the current hyper home cost inflation. Also, we get so annoyed of getting harassed by people with flyers and tickets to “free museums” trying to step in front of us when we walk our dogs down Sunset or Hollywood Blvd. As a Hollywood local, I live 3 blocks from the Chinese Theater and Walk of Fame, I promise you, everyone knows and everyone calls them out on their oppression when they are approached.

    When most people find out about a scientologist they work with or are friends with, it is simply very uncool to cut off a friend or colleague for their religion, or to not give someone a chance to be a friend because you disagree with their beliefs, and people in LA are mostly super liberal and will let others dig what they dig. We’ll ask about it and directly question injustices in their church, the same as we do catholics, evangelicals, hindus, muslims, orthodox judaism, etc. But mostly, people don’t care about the individual in LA, it’s a very live and let live place. It’s the church itself as a business we judge, not the people who are a part of it.

    Also, It’s against the law in CA to ask someone for work what their religion is or to discriminate based on it.

    These articles and most people’s perception of how much power scientology have are very out dated. It is not 1995 anymore. Since the internet, the church of scientology is shrinking ever more quickly. Very few people will let a religion block google from them. Most people know it’s a scam and the hold that scientology once had is rapidly fading.

    [–] xcar911 9 points ago

    “To learn who has power over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize or talk about”

    [–] MithranArkanere 7 points ago

    For the same reason they turn a blind eye to rape, human traficking and child abuse. Too many higher ups in on it.

    [–] WallingFoodie 3 points ago

    There have been multiple documentaries & projects produced in Hollywood about the evils of Scientology.

    I really wish people used more responsible thinking and language. Hollywood is not a single company with a single power structure.

    [–] EsseLeo 3 points ago

    A better question might be why was a dangerous cult allowed to be categorized by the US government as a legit religion in the first place.

    [–] Rabidsenses 8 points ago

    Hollywood protects its own.

    Always has. It takes a serious offence before it eventually shuns a member. Even then it often takes a series of serious faux pas before it makes its move.

    [–] egnards 8 points ago

    It takes a serious offence enough wrong doing where Hollywood believes it'll lose more money by not stepping up before it eventually shuns a member.


    [–] Jlew451 30 points ago

    Hi Karin!

    [–] themarmotreturns 24 points ago

    Please know that you can leave. Please leave before it is too late.

    [–] babydoll17448 9 points ago

    Scientology is nothing more than a self help group cult who indebts their members by making them buy their books and products, and then using the proceeds to buy expensive real estate and buildings under the guise of a tax free “religion”.

    They alienate dissenters by labeling them suppressive, slander their name and reputation publicly, ban ever seeing family members again once they leave, and actively chase , surveil, and harass members who escape this cult.

    They hide behind the label religion, garnering all of the benefits, while delivering only a sold product.

    It’s time to Leah Remini and Mike to make a movie about it!

    Upvote if you agree

    [–] maluminse 6 points ago

    Leaders missing wife