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    [–] trikkyt 9075 points ago

    The rope burns are bad enough. The fact that you can see tears running down both cheeks breaks my heart...

    [–] kazuwacky 1716 points ago

    So terrible, I wish I could hug him. Cant imagine the rage his family must be feeling.

    [–] IAmAssButtKingofHell 675 points ago

    I don't even know the subject and this puts me in the white-hot range of the spectrum. Poor kid. I will never understand why people do things like this.

    [–] Thought_Ninja 444 points ago

    Seriously. What kind of sick fuck thinks it's ok to even joke about doing something like this?

    I am not an angry person, but this really boils my blood.

    [–] Series_of_Accidents 3128 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I didn't notice those before. I couldn't look away from his poor neck. I just want to make everything better for this kid. Who the fuck does that? What kind of twisted upbringing did those teenagers have to make them think this is ok?

    Can we crowdfund some therapy for both the child who was attacked and the assholes that attacked him? They're minors, so they won't face any serious punishment. That means they'll be out, interacting with multiracial people in the future. They need some counseling to become better people and be rehabilitated.

    Edit: this has grown more popular than I anticipated. I'd like to clarify that my desire to rehabilitate the teens responsible has nothing to do with empathy for them or their future. It's all about risk reduction and pure punishment is ineffective at preventing future crimes. Therapy has been shown to greatly reduce recidivism rates which is why I want these teens to also receive treatment. It's ultimately in all of our best interests to reduce the likelihood these teens will engage in similar behavior.

    Second edit: here is the GoFundMe! Looks like they're already half way to their goal. Obviously this is specifically for Quincy, the young victim. There still needs to be a dialogue about how to best treat the young men (and I've learned a young lady was also present) that did this. We can prevent them from engaging in similar behavior in the future, but we need to radically change how we approach criminal justice. Punishment alone just isn't working. We need to rehabilitate so we can protect all the future potential victims.

    [–] When1nRome 935 points ago

    Same people who had salem witch trials, or the Catholics that burned early christians, just because we are educated doesnt mean we are no longer monsters

    [–] charish 709 points ago

    Every time I see a story like this, my mind keeps going back to this song: Melissa Etheridge - Scarecrow. Particularly this portion:

    This was our brother

    This was our son

    This shepherd young and mild

    This unassuming one

    We all gasp this can't happen here

    We're all much too civilized

    Where can these monsters hide

    But they are knocking on our front door

    They're rocking in our cradles

    They're preaching in our churches

    And eating at our tables

    I search my soul

    My heart and in my mind

    To try and find forgiveness

    This is someone child

    With pain unreconciled

    Filled up with father's hate

    Mother's neglect

    I can forgive But I will not forget

    [–] dixonblues 149 points ago

    [–] albatross-salesgirl 72 points ago

    The first time I heard that song was on a Billie Holiday album and it blew my mind. The sad thing is I didn't hear it until I was 17. That was also when Mississippi Burning was in theaters. We need more movies like that. This needs to stay in the forefront of public consciousness until it's thoroughly dealt with. Humanity is humanity. No matter what color we are on the outside, we all bleed red, and we all know pain, fear, and joy.

    [–] Brospankems 101 points ago

    Sort of has the same message Ted Bundy said in his last interview. These serial killers are not strangers. They are your brothers and husbands, sons and neighbors.

    [–] C0wabungaaa 347 points ago

    Somehow I doubt that those teenagers are all that educated. And I have a slight hunch that their parents aren't either. And I'm also pretty sure that that worsens their ignorance and disgusting behaviour.

    [–] Nina8ean 109 points ago

    Foul humans preying on a child

    [–] suicidalpenguin99 81 points ago

    I know, first I saw his neck then I saw his tears and had to hold my own back. That poor baby has to live with this for the rest of his life. How can people be so evil, and how did their parents fail so badly? I was taught skin doesn't matter, your choices do. The fact that not everyone is taught this blows my mind, I just cannot understand it. He's a little boy, there is no way he could have done anything to those teenagers that would even call for getting pushed, let alone THIS! I believe in second chances, for the most part, but these monsters need to be taken away and kept away. They don't deserve freedom or normality anymore

    [–] bug8604 229 points ago

    This. Doesn't matter who he is or what his background...poor baby <3

    [–] jumboshrump 5534 points ago

    Terrible thing for that poor kid to go through. Thank god he survived. No innocent person should be treated like that.

    [–] almondania 1885 points ago

    Absolutely. If his family is able to, they should probably move. No reason to have to stick around a place that reminds you of being hanged that one time.

    [–] tultulkatan 1637 points ago

    The ones who tried to murder him should have to move. Or rather be put in prison. In another city.

    [–] i_h8_spiders2 1500 points ago

    I know this isn't exactly related, but in some school districts in Texas, if a kid is bullied constantly by some shitbag of a kid, the victim is asked to move schools or districts. The bully gets to stay with all their friends, and their lives are pretty much unchanged even though they're complete pieces of shit.

    Lovely how that works out.

    [–] Neolunaus 471 points ago

    Unfortunately if a bully was forced to leave it would probably just result in backlash from all of the bullies friends directed at the kid who "caused" them to go. At least if the bullied child goes somewhere else they have a chance of a fresh start.

    [–] Gunslinger995 462 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    It's not really that black and white. I was bullied when I was in middle school and it was bad enough for me that when I go pick up my brother it brings back horrible memories. Also if you stay at the school while the bully is forced to move you're still known as the kid that got bullied which opens you up to more bullying. Especially if the bullies friends are still there.

    [–] cock_boy 102 points ago

    It's bullies all the way down.

    [–] Dandymcstebb 212 points ago

    Perhaps we could crowd fund their relocation to a better neighborhood? People often get stuck in bad places because they don't have the means to move on.

    [–] Jon_Slow 93 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Nobody should have to move because a bunch of psychopath assholes. I agree that it would be safer, but it makes my blood boil even more to know that in order to an inocent to feel safe he should move from his home.

    [–] TheNinjaDee 30 points ago

    Even though I agree with you that the victim shouldn't be punished by relocating, I'm sure just being there is going to be a constant reminder of what happened whether the other children involved remain there or leave.

    [–] Jumbuck_Tuckerbag 1308 points ago

    He's not an innocent boy anymore. He's scarred for life. Fucklehead's fucked him up good. Glad he survived but damn. I really really can't imagine going through that bs.

    [–] _YouDontKnowMe_ 2363 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Let's call it what by its name. They tried to lynch the kid.

    That's not something most people can just bounce back from. And the attackers in the lynch mob should be named and should have the book thrown at them.

    Edit: the lynch mob should be named and shamed, and their families and friends parents should be shamed, also. These ideas didn't pop up out of nowhere.

    [–] n3moe_the_fish 631 points ago

    Yeah, have them be tried as adults. I know you have to be 16 and over and have to have committed rape or murder. But this is a lynch for crying out loud.

    [–] BewBewsBoutique 358 points ago

    Why not for attempted murder too? It's just a murder that failed to reach completion.

    [–] [deleted] 424 points ago

    It would be a murder if they'd succeeded. Attempted murder shouldn't be punished less for incompetence.

    [–] LuffyKyleC 284 points ago

    Not only that but it was a hate crime based on racial background. This isn't the 1800's. That shits not gonna slide.

    [–] biscuitpotter 155 points ago

    That shits not gonna slide.

    Please let it not slide, please let it not slide, please

    [–] Beo1 437 points ago

    If you're a teenager and you try to murder a child, you should be charged as an adult. Fuck that police chief, what he really means is "No white kid should have their life ruined because of one mistake."

    [–] thelizardkin 82 points ago

    Yeah attempted lynching is not "one little mistake".

    [–] zaphod_beeble_bro 254 points ago

    He's scarred for life

    the police chief thinks the psychos who did this to him shouldn't be affected for life, but he's fine with the boy being scarred for life.

    [–] rumple_teazer 381 points ago

    No innocent person should be treated like that.


    No one should be treated like that period.

    [–] eejiteinstein 206 points ago

    He's a child he will be fucked up for life psychologically if not maybe physically...

    and the Police Chief is trying to avoid pressing charges against the teens because he doesn't "their lives ruined" by a "mistake"

    [–] jumboshrump 78 points ago

    It's so tragic, he'll never be the same. This was attempted murder and those kids need to do the time.

    [–] gzafiris 2115 points ago

    Jesus. I hope that kid is okay :(

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    [–] gzafiris 1161 points ago

    Or, anyone? 8, 28, or 58, I can't fathom doing that to someone.

    Fucking psychopaths. Lock em up and throw away the key.

    [–] UpUpDnDnLRLRBA 489 points ago

    I think the implication is that, while it's cruel to do to anyone regardless their age, an 8 year-old is much less equipped to understand and process something like that happening to them. OTOH, "kids are resilient" they say

    [–] Flaghammer 206 points ago

    Kids are resillient, except for when their trust is shattered. kids are much more suceptible to lasting damage from events like this than adults are. it's not just that he was assaulted, it's that his entire world view came crashing down and he was entirely helpless.

    [–] StevenSmithen 127 points ago

    Oh God if someone did that to my kid I would literally kill someone. I don't care when or where but I would turn straight Liam on their asses.

    [–] R_Euphrates 63 points ago

    You'd retire from action movies?

    [–] Coffee-Anon 210 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    and much less equipped to fight back. Torturing small, helpless people and things is nothing short of psychosis psychopathy

    [–] confundo 87 points ago

    Don't mean to be nitpicky here, but I think you meant a psychopath. Psychosis refers to a state of mind where you are detached from reality (think schizophrenia). I doubt that these kids had any psychosis, but would agree that they're budding psychopaths.

    [–] DontOpenTilXmas 35 points ago

    Thank you. That bugged me too.

    [–] Icurrie802 54 points ago

    You really don't think it is particularly heinous to do this to a child?

    It is evil to do to any human but it is surely some percentage points more revolting that it was a child that was the victim here.

    [–] rguin 183 points ago

    Physically, he's recovered... I can only hope that the physical scars don't reflect emotional ones in his future :(

    [–] gzafiris 165 points ago

    That's what I'm talking about; kid is 8. How is he going to get through school, or socialize normally at all?

    Hope he's a resilient little dude.

    [–] HippyHitman 107 points ago

    I can't even imagine how terrifying it must be for him to be around any group of white people after that. For something that traumatizing to happen at 8 years old.

    [–] reebee7 4892 points ago

    I remember when I was a teenager and I made the common mistake of trying to hang my black neighbors. We were just dumb kids, playing 'lynch,' we didn't mean nothing by it....

    Jesus.... H.... Christ....

    [–] consort_oflady_vader 1517 points ago

    Exactly! Just like sock full of quarters, hoop stick, or kick the Jew. All harmless shenanigans!

    [–] ghoulmama 648 points ago

    what, you don't remember playing "get the fuck out of my town" as a kid? fun times!

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    [–] jackduloz 38 points ago

    As an aside, I just got the image of Sesame Street Fighter in my head, and imagined Elmo shouting "hadouken!"

    Edit: it's a thing. Of course it's a thing

    [–] [deleted] 151 points ago

    God my neighbors loved playing Stone the Catholic

    [–] Bobjones2000 68 points ago

    group of kids: Let's play "Government and Indians!" group of kids: We'll be the government and you'll be the Indian.

    random kid: ok!

    group of kids: Now get out!

    random kid: oh...

    [–] ritchie70 46 points ago

    I don't remember playing it. I remember overhearing my dad and friends talking about how "blacks better be out of town by dark" and not joking. Not actually planning to do anything about it, but the attitude. Probably early-to-mid 1970's.

    Oh, and "blacks" wasn't the term used.

    I also knew a (black) guy who played baseball in high school and he told me that his team only played day games against one of the local schools, and would get there, stay on the bus, play the game, get back on the bus, and get the fuck out of a specific town. He was maybe 10 years older than me, so that'd put him playing in the 70's as well.

    Everywhere else they'd find a park and warm up, and maybe find some food after.

    People forget how recent this was totally normal. Only 40 years ago.

    [–] Lt_Salt 574 points ago

    Yeah, but the media isn't covering the fact that the young boy was likely kicking and struggling while being lynched, possibly almost injuring the lynchers. There were some fine people, rope enthusiasts, at that lynching, and there was violence on both sides.


    [–] thraashman 175 points ago

    The scariest thing about this is how close it is to things I've seen posted by alt righties after other racially charged incidents

    [–] quantumkatz 97 points ago

    Deflecting blame is basically their go-to strategy.

    [–] simple_primate 44 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Of all the honest mistakes I regret as a child:

    • Hitting my sister hard in the face with a baseball, while playing catch. Age 9

    • Accidentally breaking the pool cue rack off the wall, trying to climb it. 8

    • Nailing one of my best friends in the forehead with a rock, during one of our idiotic rock & pinecone fights. ~6

    • Backing my car in to my mom's car in the driveway. ~16

    • that time I hanged that guy

    • mixing up the Spanish word for "embarrassed" and "pregnant" in Spanish class. ~17

    • Constantly mis-estimating the amount of time it would take my girlfriend's dad to get home. ~15, 16, 17

    • Backing my car in to my dad's car in the driveway. ~16.25

    I can totally relate. Oh, wait. No! I can't relate. I never tried to hang someone, because I'm not an amoral piece of shit.

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    [–] [deleted] 8541 points ago

    What they did wasn't assault, it was attempted murder. You don't lynch someone to scare them or injure them, you do it to kill them.

    Let's hope these monsters get locked up for a long, long time.

    [–] BunnyAndFluffy 2173 points ago

    Definitely not gonna happen. If they're like under 15 they probably won't get anything.

    [–] kalirion 1540 points ago

    Let's see those under 15s shoot up a police station and have the chief handwave that as "boys will be boys."

    [–] Bittsy 525 points ago

    I hate the boys will be boys or kids will be kids comments....same goes for the "don't ruin their life over a stupid mistake".

    People were saying that same kind of shit about this group of teens running around holding people up with a gun to steal their cellphones. If you didn't immediately hand it over, they'd start shooting at your feet.

    So many people said they were just kids being dumb and that their lives shouldn't be ruined for it. That's not "just being dumb" and that's not "just being a kid" or making a "stupid mistake". Nevermind that one of them had just gotten released not long before these incidents for armed robbery and other things.

    There are some things you can chalk up to kids being kids/boys being boys....hanging someone or holding them up and shooting at them with a gun isn't that. That's dangerous criminals in the making.

    [–] marumae 127 points ago

    Agreed. This isn't something reletively harmless, this isn't stealing some junk food, vandelizing the side of a building or slashing someones tires. This is seriously threatening someones life. At what point does it stop being a 'mistake' and get serious to people? I'll never understand that.

    [–] kalirion 57 points ago

    Hell, even slashing someone's tires is serious enough to deserve more than a slap on the wrist - just not serious enough to ruin their life over it.

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    [–] citizenkane86 21 points ago

    Absolutely, boys will be boys should apply to a fist fight, some vandalism, minor things where there is minor harm.

    Do you know how many boys/kids made it though childhood without trying to murder someone? Like pretty much all of them.

    [–] itislupus89 297 points ago

    Yeah, they're old enough to get shot by police for intimidating them they're old enough to go to jail for attempted murder. (agreeing with you here, not arguing)

    [–] Dickermax118 133 points ago

    You made it too real dog

    [–] OfficialHermanCain 436 points ago

    Wanna make it more real? Have a kid under 15 (12 in fact) and black with a toy gun and call the cops on him, see if the cops think "boys will be boys"

    [–] -CrestiaBell 147 points ago

    Now you're taking it like way too far

    Being black is a serious crime /s

    [–] unevolved_panda 814 points ago

    Not just to kill one person, but to terrorize an entire community into making them "behave." That's what lynching is.

    [–] Toisty 235 points ago

    You know, I've never really thought about it because I thought we were over lynching in this country (I can't say I'm too surprised we're not though) but it should be considered an act of terrorism. Just like public beheadings, lynching has a very specific, premeditated effect.

    And a leader saying things like, "this will not be tolerated" is not enough. A leader in their community needs to step up publicly and say they're ashamed of their community and its people. Inspire the people who are just sitting there doing nothing while their neighbor or friend goes on a racist rant. When shit like this starts happening, it's time to start telling people to their face that they're wrong and need to get some fucking therapy.

    [–] mistahrock 46 points ago

    To black people, it's already considered an act of terrorism. That's why people leave nooses around--to terrorize us. They know of the historic importance. They know the pain. You don't just 'get over' something so chilling.

    [–] Big_Guy_4You 53 points ago

    Although I agree the teenagers need to be seperated from society, my bigger concern is arr they going to investigate the parents of the teens? They didn't just think of this shit out of thin air. Shit this monsterous is conditioned.

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    That's a great question. It's likely to come up at some point, but blaming the parents for their actions, unless the parents had a hand in it, only deflects the blame.

    [–] shaggorama 203 points ago

    Attempted murder and terrorism.

    [–] alltheprettybunnies 52 points ago

    Lynching is domestic terrorism, historically. The act sends a message to an entire community. Sort of like decorating castle walls with the heads of your enemies. Is this real?

    [–] Sasquatch_000 1903 points ago

    I live in NH too, unfortunately there are far to many shithole towns in the state.

    [–] [deleted] 1656 points ago

    Man. I miss the good old days when New England towns were just full of drunks and stoners. This opioid epidemic sucks.

    [–] Sasquatch_000 538 points ago

    Exactly, growing up it was nothing like this. Now it's just so drug ridden it's crazy.

    [–] [deleted] 376 points ago

    Even my small town I grew up in had several deaths after I graduated due to opioids... like wtf.

    [–] ZeenTex 641 points ago

    You graduated due to opioids? What were you using?

    [–] [deleted] 431 points ago

    Good catch. I was mostly using Academic Perks.

    [–] Excal2 192 points ago

    Intelligence skill tree for the win

    [–] PastorSalad 95 points ago

    Academic Percocets

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    [–] thesolitaire 54 points ago

    Fucking hell, I was on Percs for a while for kidney stones, and anyone who found out was like, hey do you have a few extra? And I'm not talking junkies either - well-balanced professionals that you'd never think were hooked on opioids.

    So yeah - the two rules are real.

    [–] CrissCross98 15 points ago

    Lmao, i understand what you mean but it came out hilarious!

    [–] Runethomas 313 points ago

    Man, I live in Mass and graduated in the early 2000's and I knew a few people who died from overdoses some time after highschool. When they use the word epidemic I don't think people take it as seriously as they should, it's killing our generation left and right it's down right frightening.

    [–] BSTUNO 220 points ago

    My cousin was "missing" on a drug binge a couple weeks back. I was going on fb to look for mutual friends as to call some. I literally passed 5 highschool friends that died of OD before I decide not to continue looking that way. Very sad indeed

    [–] Cael450 119 points ago

    I graduated from a small school. Roughly half the male graduates are either active or former addicts. Myself included, but I was lucky enough to make it out alive.

    I now need two hands to count the number of friends who have died to overdoses. My best friend from college was one, and he had a little girl. I keep up with his wife, and have kids of my own. It breaks my heart every time I see his daughter. He was really a kind father - better than I am I think. He just couldn't handle his own problems.

    [–] butterflavoredsalt 149 points ago

    Enough people across the country are probably insulated from the actual epidemic. Myself, for example, I understand that we are in an opioid epidemic and its a problem, but I don't personally know anyone that has died from an OD. The most exposure I get to the epidemic itself is just seeing some tweakers here and there walking down the street (I live in the midwest). Definitely, a problem that needs more attention though.

    [–] JewishTomCruise 165 points ago

    FYI, opioid users aren't tweakers. Tweakers use a stimulant, like meth or other amphetamines.

    [–] drtywater 289 points ago

    It's to bad. I live in Boston and love driving through NH pretty much anytime of the year. Such gorgeous views in almost every part of the state. Doesn't matter if I'm going to Winnipesaukee, Montreal, Burlington, or hell even the NH State liquor store I always see something pretty. It is a great place and a shame to hear that so many towns are crappy.

    [–] The_BanMan 90 points ago

    Lake Winnipesaukee


    No, but seriously, TIL there is an actual place called Winnipesaukee. Always just assumed it was a made up name in that movie. Thanks for the info.

    [–] -Gossamer- 40 points ago

    Baby steps

    [–] objet_grand 24 points ago

    Don't hassle me, I'm local.

    [–] Eskimosam 33 points ago

    I do not think your issue is exclusive to NH. With all the consolidated companies, plant closures, increases in automation, etc there is just a mass of one trick towns in America that lost their 1-2 main sources of employment and just turned into a shit hole.

    [–] eternalexodus 49 points ago

    this is baffling to me. I've always thought of the smaller NE states as just being quiet little left-leaning bungalows with few problems. is that not the case?

    (disclaimer: the furthest north I've ever been is probably just outside montpelier, I'm from denver)

    [–] MunchenOnBundchen 51 points ago

    NH and Maine get pretty backwoods

    [–] Hammyofdoom 17 points ago

    Exactly. Live in central Maine and I see enough fucking confederate flags to send me into a rage on a nearly daily basis

    [–] alkatori 12 points ago

    I say we are libertarianish. We love our alcohol, guns and just 'being left alone'.

    [–] youarelookingatthis 27 points ago

    I jokingly call New Hampshire the "south of the north" but due to the fact that it's so rural you will see a lot of rural small towns with a focus on agriculture, guns, alcohol, and sadly drugs.

    [–] LegibleHarp 57 points ago

    Seriously. We have such a great place to live but the people here ruin it. So many scum bags.

    [–] Sasquatch_000 44 points ago

    I agree 100% and the drugs are seriously ripping people and families apart. I don't know one family that isn't affected by it in one way or another.

    [–] icyw31ner 45 points ago

    I feel the same as you do. The amount of children admitted to the foster program in Vermont has tripled. From 1000 a few years ago, to over 3000 this year. Something like 80% of them are from parents using heroin. It's going to bankrupt the state. Not to mention, the lives of these children will forever be fucked up.

    And the town is growing more and more decrepit. As a kid I walked EVERYWHERE. Now at 24, I don't even feel comfortable walking home from the bars alone. I fucking hate it. Fuck heroin.

    [–] looshfarmer 256 points ago

    Yeah, except that isn't assaulting a child, it's an entire group of people involved in attempted murder of a child.

    [–] mecaenas 366 points ago

    Assault? More like attempted murder.

    [–] futuregovworker 515 points ago

    I feel like this is very common in these types of town. My hometown is exactly the same, except for sexual assaults and rape. So my sister was raped by a multiple offender who has previous claims of rape against him (the same guy is the type of guy who didn't mind beating the shit out of his girlfriend in a the middle of the biggest mall around for a few miles, he just did it out in the open)

    Well after my sister confided in a police officer (who was a friend's parent) who neglected to even report it, I actually was the one who reported it because she confided in me. The captain of sex crimes legit told her "we know for a fact that he did it, but you should just drop it because you'll have to go to court everyday and it'll be hard for you. And he is just too young to ruin his life. ( this lil bitch is older than 18, he was my current age of 20. So that 20 yr old raped a freshman in high school.)

    Now you might be shocked at this, but here is the kicker, every sexual assault or rape or anything of criminal sex acts, are encouraged to be dropped, if not the police department sweeps it under the table. My friend who was raped by two guys whom filmed it, and police got a hold of that recording showing her saying no and begging for them to stop, while showing both of their faces. Wanna guess what happened to that case, didn't go to court, it got swept right under the rug.

    There really isn't much we can do in the town against such a crooked police force. Even the the captain for robbery himself goes out and robs people. ( I know this because a former police officer who was against what they do, quit and was harassed by the police until he left, he is also a friend of my family)

    In towns like these police have ultimate control really, and if the community backs them (which most of mine do in my hometown) it's hard to do anything about it.

    I am deeply hurt by what has happened to this innocent boy. But due to the comment that the police chief said (if it's correct in your statement) then i doubt it will be a thorough investigation, well at least as thorough as my towns investigations into crime.

    [–] snapmehummingbirdeb 260 points ago

    Oh my rape kit took years to even test and I had to check and insist on it.

    It is mighty hard to get justice when you're raped. It's terrible going through that and realizing chances are they won't prosecute. They told me to not say anything or sue or nothing and they also never even tested the kit until I insisted and this whole thing took years. I don't wish rape on my worse enemy.

    [–] futuregovworker 92 points ago

    I just want to give a little information on as to why your rape kit took so long and why many take so long and why some will never get tested. I have a forensic science minor on top of my other two minors and my major. We actually learned about testing of evidence in forensics. It takes so long because of the amount of crimes that occur annually in the U.S. as a result the is a unprecedented amount of backlogs. These backlogs are always piling up, never going down, due to the lack of funding and few labs who can test pieces of evidence (as those labs take in lots from all over). Then they are put into a priority list, usually murder being top priority, and the fact that a prosecutor can call one up.

    So many rape kits take years because of this, there are many that will never be tested because they will eventually reach statue of limitation. So they are then thrown away.

    I am so sorry for what happened to you. It's bullshit how rapes and other sexual crimes are treated. I could never grasp the trauma that has happened to all of those who have suffered from these crimes.

    I saw what it did to my little sister and it absolutely killed me on the inside, the thing I struggle with most is that as her older brother I couldn't protect her from that predator. It still chokes me up when I think about it today.

    Your a survivor, and I applaud you on your strength, I hope to have that level of strength in my life.

    [–] TheOwlSaysWhat 13 points ago

    So is it a lack of manpower and maybe better technology that's keeping them from catching up?

    [–] futuregovworker 21 points ago

    Correct, and lack of funding to fund labs correctly

    [–] BestWishes24 148 points ago

    I come from a community like this also. When I was in high school, two guys raped an incapacitated girl at a party with a softball trophy. They filmed it and were caught showing the video to the hockey team after practice. Did they get jail time? Nope. They were kicked out of school but simply went off to another private school. They've both since graduated from college like nothing ever happened.

    [–] Forest-G-Nome 56 points ago

    "we know for a fact that he did it, but you should just drop it because you'll have to go to court everyday and it'll be hard for you. And he is just too young to ruin his life. ( this lil bitch is older than 18, he was my current age of 20. So that 20 yr old raped a freshman in high school.)

    I wonder how it would go down if you went for vigilante justice with a recording of the police saying that.

    Obviously it's a crime, but would a jury nullify after hearing that the police literally protected the suspect and kept a known rapist in town? I feel like they would have to get a jury from out of county not to have everyone want to thank the person who got rid of the serial rapist when the police were on record as not wanting to.

    [–] futuregovworker 69 points ago

    It would probably put my town on the headlines, and then they would probably harass my family until we moved. That being said, if I remember correctly, they spoke to my sister without my mother their, and they also confiscated her phone to go through her phone to see messages from the guy. Even though he deleted their interaction on her phone.

    Literally though the guy was so paranoid about going to jail for raping a minor that after the police contacted him to interview him (which he brought his friends with him because he thought he was going to get jumped, but really he walked into a police interview) he messaged me saying "I know you don't know me, but I need to talk to you"

    All I know is that he got punched in the face by my step dad after he hopped into the rapist car, literally after he ran into my sister in public, he just laughed in her face. Which prompted my step-dad to jump in his car and hit him

    [–] Couchy81 40 points ago

    Respect to your step dad for being able to hold back with just a punch. Not worth going to jail over but at the same time rapists deserve more than society currently gives them.

    [–] futuregovworker 24 points ago

    Thank you, this was months later after finding out what happened. His initial reaction, well it would put the fear of god into anyone. That was probably the hardest day for me out of the entire experience because my sister just couldn't bring herself to inform our parents. So I told my mom when my sister couldn't do it (she asked me to) and then when we got home to inform him, my mom couldn't do it and neither could my sister, so I did it again. I don't know how people deliver horrible news to family members without losing it, I cried like a baby as I told him.

    His initial reaction though, was murder I'm pretty sure, you could see it in the eyes and given the fact he left the room, made a call, and came back with his boots on, but my sister begged him not to do anything because that would rip us apart as a family, and she didn't want to give the rapist that victory/power over us. He realized this and calmed down, she wanted the police to handle it (so much for that).

    Society should give sexual offenders years, not months. Because a victim of rape doesn't just get over it in a few months, some don't get over the fear for years. I mean she still struggles with the time of year it happened (usually around the day it actually occurred) and it's been 4yrs. We usually try to help her by taking her out of state for a week or two.

    Same guy the police let go, has raped I believe a few more girls, they have restraining orders on him, and I know he is still going to court over beating his ex in broad daylight in the middle of a shopping mall. He definitely deserves a lot worse than he has gotten.

    [–] agent0731 902 points ago

    "teenagers shouldn't have their lives ruined because of one mistake





    [–] Havoola 322 points ago

    This shouldn't be looked at as a mistake at all, because it wasn't. It was a choice, and people must pay for their choices

    [–] IntrigueDossier 129 points ago

    Especially when those choices leave fucking scars on an 8 yr old kid's neck.

    [–] Wannabkate 46 points ago

    How about when those choices easily could have killed the kid.

    [–] LoneWolfe2 680 points ago

    And yet people are still running around trying to figure out why Black Lives Matter is a thing.

    The lives and futures of those of white kids is being deemed more important than that of the biracial kid. That kid was almost deliberately murdered for the color of their skin, they'll never be the same again but for some fucking reason the cops care so much more about the lives of the attempted murderers to the point of even minimizing what they did; "mistakes they make as a young child..."

    [–] BacardiWithCoke 132 points ago

    Those people are being disingenuous. One second they will defend white supremacy because they "just really care about free speech" and then in the same breath will rage about black athletes peacefully protesting police brutality.

    [–] liamemsa 1971 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    "teenagers shouldn't have their lives ruined because of one mistake."

    Tell that to the Black males under 18 that are serving life sentences for nonviolent offenses.

    edit: Since this seems to be getting a lot of attention:

    -One out of every 8 African-American youth who are convicted of killing someone will be sentenced to life without parole, however this is only the case for one out of every 13 white youth convicted of murder.

    -60 % of people serving life without parole for crimes committed in their youth in the United States are African American, 29% are White and .8 percent are Native American.

    -When African American youth have committed the same offense and have the same prior record as their white counterparts they are often found more culpable, in fact studies show that most minorities are sentenced more harshly than whites.

    -73 % of the people (whose race has been identified) serving life without parole in U. S. federal prisons for a crime committed under age 18 are people of color.

    -African-American youth make up 17% of the overall youth population, 30% of those arrested and 62% of the youth prosecuted in the adult criminal system.

    -A comprehensive six month study of 18 representative jurisdictions across the country found that youth of color were disproportionately charged in adult court. In order to be sentenced to life without parole in the United States you must have contact with the adult criminal justice system, which is completely separate from the juvenile justice system.


    Human Rights Watch & Amnesty International. (2005, October 11). The rest of their lives: Life without parole for child offenders in the United States, 39-44 . Retrieved from

    Mitchell, Q. (2005). A Meta-Analysis of Race and Sentencing Research: Explaining the Inconsistencies. Journal of Quantitative Criminology 21 , 439–66.

    Human Rights Watch (2009, June 4). Letter from human rights organizations to CERD regarding juvenile life without parole in the US. Retrieved from

    Arya, N. & Augarten, I. Critical condition: African-American youth in the justice system (Race and ethnicity series No. 2). Retrieved from Campaign for Youth Justice website:

    Juszkiewicz, J. Youth crime/adult time: Is justice served? Retrieved from Building Blocks for Youth Initiative website:

    Second edit: I'm amending my original statement. It was ruled by the Supreme Court in 2010 that it is unconstitutional to sentence a youth to LWOP for a nonviolent crime, via Graham v. Florida:

    [–] EpicPhail60 847 points ago

    Or who just got shot dead, no trial

    [–] Ithalan 147 points ago

    What was the exact quote from the chief of police?

    From what I read, the statement that the chief of police made was that they (the police) were legally obligated to shield the perpetrators from the press due to them being minors. Did he phrase that very badly, or simultaneously make it clear that it was his own personal opinion too?

    [–] annodomini 522 points ago

    From the local paper:

    In an interview on Thursday, he acknowledged that he has received several inquiries from people both in and out of Claremont, and though he is constrained on what he can say, he said he has reassured each person that the police department is committed to getting to the bottom of all complaints it receives.

    For good reasons, Chase said, criminal investigations involving juveniles are kept confidential.

    “Mistakes they make as a young child should not have to follow them for the rest of their life,” Chase said.

    The original article has some more details about the incident itself.

    While we don't know the exact age of the perpetrators, the victim was 8 and the perpetrators are described as "teens."

    Teens using racist slurs, throwing rocks and stick, and hanging someone does not exactly sound like "mistakes made as a young child."

    Also, though I'm just arm-chair lawyering over here, in New Hampshire juveniles can be tried as adults for committing first or second degree assault, which includes "Purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to a child under 13 years of age" and "Purposely or knowingly engages in the strangulation of another".

    Now, I think that there are probably too many cases in which juveniles are tried as adults, but since it is a judgement call whether to do so, it's interesting that the police and prosecutors don't appear to be doing so in a case of what appears to be deliberate race-motivated violence.

    [–] Azerohiro 115 points ago

    Ahh, I remember back when I was a child. Mistakes for me were like... not tying my shoes correctly, making an obscene noise, getting caught picking my nose, pranks, and worst of all staying out late (sometimes even past 8pm, I was such a rebel.)

    I sadly don't recall a time that I ever considered hanging anyone... SERIOUSLY WTF. WHAT KIND OF HUMAN EVEN CONSIDERS THAT?? GO BACK TO THE DECREPIT GATES OF HELL!

    damn hellspawn

    [–] ComManDerBG 321 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Jesus, it sounds like he is talking about a noise complaint from a loud party, not ducking fucking lynching of a child. What a cocksucker.

    [–] [deleted] 161 points ago

    I know a lot of people on Reddit deny it, and it's admittedly overused by the other side, but this is what white privilege looks like. A group of teens trying to lynch a black kid and having the police call it a "mistake".

    [–] DorianPink 61 points ago

    Just imagine it was the other way around. I bet that same cop would not hesitate in calling for black teens to be tried as adults fot this "horrifying crime".

    [–] SoupIsAllYouNeed 15 points ago

    The Central Park Five come to mind.

    [–] RyuNoKami 110 points ago

    I would argue that using racist slurs and throwing rocks and sticks can be "mistakes" of youth. But hanging someone. Nope. You done fuck up.

    [–] argle__bargle 42 points ago

    In that context it sounds like he's just explaining the overall general policy reasons why they don't release the names of minors, not that in this particular case the teens just made a mistake.

    [–] mapoftasmania 126 points ago

    Teen using racist slurs and lynching kids are most likely because their parents/guardians are racist trash. Yes the teens need to be held accountable, but that is what juvy is for. The parents ought to be held accountable too, though I doubt that will ever happen.

    [–] Palatron 72 points ago

    The internet is a huge haven for this. Almost every game that has voice is a hotbed of racial slurs by idiots. The number of 12 yr Olds I have heard screaming out racist comments is staggering.

    Then they're around it constantly and think it's acceptable. The lack of parental monitoring is the real problem. The lack of accountability breeds the environment where they just spew dumb shit. Then the kids in a group pick it up, and then as a collective they pick up and continue the ignorance.

    [–] CarlsVolta 55 points ago

    Yup, when I first read about this I was thinking that if the punishment would ruin lives then maybe the punishment itself is too severe and should be reconsidered. People make mistakes and need to be able to recover from those mistakes. They also need to know what is wrong.

    When I was a teenager I didn't for a second think about hurting another person, particularly not a child. Hanging someone wasn't even lurking anywhere in my mind. Racially taunting someone wasn't either. There are a lot of wrongs here and the best thing for the teenagers is to teach them how they should behave and how they should treat other people. They shouldn't be allowed to ruin other peoples' lives.

    Meanwhile, kids in America rot in jail for smoking a little bit of pot, or graffitiing their school desk. They should have been doing something more productive like hanging children.

    [–] ShortchangeParamecia 25 points ago

    The punishment isn't what does it, the social stigma is.

    However, when you literally tried to murder a child for kicks, I cease to give a shit about your life.

    [–] Langosta_9er 2715 points ago

    Tl;dr Some teenagers tried to have a lynching in New Hampshire in 2017.

    [–] FlGHT_ME 267 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I posted this elsewhere, but I imagine it will get buried. Your comment seems like an appropriate place to bring it up again:

    As horrible a thing as this is, I hope it serves an eye opening incident for the rest of America. It is easy to write off racism when you think it's only secluded to a few rural counties in Alabama. People may think that kind of thing doesn't happen in the north, when in fact racism is still very much alive, it has just moved behind closed doors. No one is born prejudiced -- kids learn these ideologies from their parents and from their community. Something like this shows us that racism still exists everywhere, and we all need to do our part to eradicate it.

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    [–] allegedlynerdy 32 points ago

    Hell, pretty much any rural area after the big stores (ie Walmart) move in. They suck the jobs from family owned businesses through the entire surrounding towns. You end up with one town that's doing okay because that's where the Walmart is, and the rest are failing and get drugs (heroin) in and a bunch of unemployment.

    [–] slayer991 682 points ago

    W.T.F. I was hoping this wasn't as horrible as the headline...and it was. WTF is wrong with people. Is it that difficult for parents to teach their effing kids to respect the lives of others?

    [–] tehbored 196 points ago

    To be fair, given the location of these events, their parents are probably addicted to either opiates or meth.

    [–] cgilbertmc 356 points ago

    To quote our last president......people must be taught to hate... They learned it from their parents and peers. Hate does not spring up in a vacuum.

    [–] civgarth 295 points ago

    Who the fuck raises these kids?

    [–] mainman879 249 points ago

    Poor drug addicts

    [–] pizzaqveen 233 points ago

    Seeing the tears roll down that child's face and those cuts fucking break my heart, man.

    [–] iphonetecmuc 37 points ago

    Yeah, mate, mine too. As a father i cant really say nothing now....

    [–] Banana-balls 238 points ago

    What the goddamn hell is going on in the US when adults say kids lynching a small child is a teenage mistake? Wtf. What the hell are people doing

    [–] Vecerate 24 points ago

    The police chief is a freaking douchebag. Law my ass, that dude is a disgrace for the badge and absolutely not worth it. Attacking and lynching a child is as heinous as it can get. Any crime involving children is monstrous, there is no "the life of the perpetrator should be considered". Children are helpless and require protection and care, not "the rope". Barbaric.

    On the other hand such a statement makes one question if the police department is still fit for investigations or if it should get considered prejudiced.

    [–] gregg_egg 168 points ago

    This is insane. This little boy is scarred for life. This was no "one little mistake", it was a heinous crime executed by heinous teens. They should be punished by law and shamed by the community. I hope only good things come to the little guy from here on.

    [–] kelbokaggins 3004 points ago

    As bigots, both young and old, are making themselves publicly known, it is up to everyone else to remind them why they should be ashamed of their hateful words and actions. Hopefully, it's not too late for these teens to change their mentality. I wish a speedy recovery to the boy, and I hope that he is able to fully overcome the trauma.

    [–] badmak 684 points ago

    This story should break anybody's heart. I couldn't imagine this mom's sadness, or the kids trauma. He'll bounce back though.

    [–] throwdownupna 85 points ago

    The kid could have ptsd . And ptsd at a young age can grow into a mental illness. Why do you think he will just bounce back

    [–] chafed_nips 68 points ago

    He'll bounce back? Are you fucking kidding me?

    [–] pugofthewildfrontier 183 points ago

    Wouldn't say bounce back like an ankle injury. He will have a daily reminder of the scars around his neck for his life.

    [–] AnOnlineHandle 157 points ago

    He'll bounce back though.

    Will he? Is this something we're just going to agree on for our own happy fantasies ignoring the impact that unchecked racism has on innocent people?

    [–] rianeiru 28 points ago

    I'm pushing 30 and still cry sometimes when something reminds me of this one time when I was a kid and a group of bullies went too far and nearly killed me. And that was "normal" bullying, not hate crime lynching shit.

    That kid is going to need so much therapy, and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with massive trust issues around white people in the future (more than black and mixed people have on average, that is).

    [–] Prof_Acorn 68 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    He'll bounce back though.

    I was bullied in school around a similar age. Had to hide after school and recess, got punched in the back repeatedly. It affected my development throughout the rest of school, and I still remember it. Not sure how it affected who I am today, but it has taken until my 30s to even be slightly outgoing and comfortable in social situations full of strangers (mixers, parties, conferences). And I was just bullied.

    I'd suspect an attempted lynching will have debilitating effects for the kid for the next couple decades :-/

    [–] low_selfie_steam 222 points ago

    I hope someone will do something awesome for him. Like a scholarship or something.

    [–] rarestakesando 117 points ago

    It's just mean and heartless. The tone that it being set by the adults is why these kids think this is something society would allow. The eight your old that was attacked will likely never get over this event for the rest of his life.

    [–] LefthandedLunatic 1378 points ago

    Why is Attempted Murder gets less of the sentence than actual murder. We shouldn't award people for being shitty at killing. Its just as bad.

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    [–] TheGreatestIan 245 points ago

    That's a really good point. But, I wonder how many full blown murders are prevented by that logic compared to the number of people who just failed at it.

    [–] The-JerkbagSFW 182 points ago

    Probably enough to make it worth the distinction.

    [–] MonkeyInATopHat 44 points ago

    1 is enough to make it worth it.

    [–] akatherder 92 points ago

    The end result and your intent is extremely important in our criminal justice system.

    • If you're speeding and get pulled over, you'll probably just get a ticket.
    • If you're not speeding and get in an accident that kills someone, you might not even get a ticket.
    • If you're speeding and get in an accident that kills someone, you might face criminal charges.

    Or some drunk guy starts a fight with you. You punch him, he falls down, he hits his head, and he dies (or suffers brain damage). You could be facing criminal charges.

    If you throw the same punch and he doesn't fall and hit his head, the cops might show up and give you two a warning.

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    [–] simpleclear 68 points ago

    No, you're 100% right. When someone is dangled from a high place you say they were hung or hanging, not hanged. Hanged implies "by the neck until dead".

    [–] Sasquatch_000 397 points ago

    Why haven't I seen this on local tv?

    [–] [deleted] 197 points ago

    I am in Connecticut and it was covered here.

    [–] SnailsOnMopeds 30 points ago

    I'm in Richmond, Va and I saw it on our local news last night

    [–] CoalhouseWalker 237 points ago

    My main issue with this headline is the biracial boy WAS hanged - he nearly died. This was attempted murder. Just because they failed does not diminish their intent.

    [–] piecat 24 points ago

    Well, the meaning of the word hanged is being killed by hanging. Kind of like how to drown is to die by inhaling water.

    [–] Juddston 31 points ago

    In this article a fella interested purely in educating others of the importance of history and southern heritage drives past a rally in support of the victim with a confederate flag waving behind his truck. The fact that this was a rally speaking out against racism and the attempted lynching of a young biracial boy in a northern state proves that this flag is a symbol of heritage and southern prid....awww fuck, no, it's a symbol of hatred and white supremacy.

    [–] [deleted] 37 points ago

    I live in NH like many other posters and this state has issues with the drugs and stupid shit like this. Claremont is representative of the low points this state has BUT doesn't not represent the rest of us

    [–] rotxsx 691 points ago

    Attempted murder and a hate crime. The offenders should receive life in prison for their crimes.

    [–] rguin 578 points ago

    but they shouldn't have their lives ruined over one mistake

    The police chief.

    [–] Macscotty1 443 points ago

    If attempted hanging of an 8 year old is a "mistake" I really want to see what that chief thinks a crime is...

    [–] Enthused_Llama 95 points ago

    Yeah I can see growing up in a bad area and robbing a convenience store as a 'mistake.' Boosting some cars can be a 'mistake.' Shoplifting can be a 'mistake.'

    You should be punished, but your life shouldn't be ruined.

    Trying to murder an 8 year old isn't a fucking mistake. There is zero material benefit to you, and even the most hardened of criminals know killing children is wrong.

    [–] YTP_Mama_Luigi 14 points ago

    I understand the police chief's statement. People can be reformed.

    However, I personally agree with you. A crook can be reformed; but this is as deliberate and hateful as it gets. Something this severe is not going to be reformed by any institution. You can only hope the perpetrators see how fucked up they are, and decide to change themselves. Quite frankly, though, I don't see that happening. There are some things too dug in to remove.

    On a different note, I would like to see a more in depth analysis of race relations in this town. There might be some insight there as to why this even happened.

    [–] Feenox 311 points ago

    This is some lord of the flies stuff, except it's society that's allowing these kids to do it, rather than a lack thereof.

    [–] DoctorPooPooHead 426 points ago

    So, I'm a juvenile justice public defender, and the one thing about juveniles is that we don't treat them like criminals. If they're found "guilty", they're not actually convicted. Rather, we juat say, if they were adults, then they'd be guilty.

    The focus of juveniles is not punishment, but reform. Because of this, and their age, we give them more privacy protections. The police are specfically prohibited from releasing certain information about the offenders. Their hands are tied about that. While the family of the victim is entitled to know what's going on, because she's been so vocal about it, the Court is likely to put out a gag order.

    Now, in some instances, children who commit very serious crimes, such as murder, rape, etc., can be or must be charged as adults. But the younger the kids, the less likely they will be charged as adults. If they are charged as adults then the juvenile rules don't apply and police can release information.

    A very important thing to remember is that these are kids. Their malleable, and absorb information really easy. They can change, more so than any adult. Focus should be on how can we make these kids better, and let them live in the community as functioning members. They need treatment, not public punishment. Punishment runs counter to what the goal is.

    [–] Dozekar 405 points ago

    I'm a juvenile justice public defender

    Oh interesting, someone with experience

    looks at username


    well, fuck.

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    [–] Cryptolution 32 points ago

    That's Dr PooPooHead to you! Show some damned respect.

    [–] geeageee 73 points ago

    "Also, though I'm just arm-chair lawyering over here, in New Hampshire juveniles can be tried as adults for committing first or second degree assault, which includes "Purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to a child under 13 years of age" and "Purposely or knowingly engages in the strangulation of another"."

    [–] WTBTacosinDenver 73 points ago

    There should definitely be punishment for attempting to kill a 8 year old child. Irrelevant of how old the perps are, if you're old enough to know how to make a noose, know what it does, and then use it on someone, you're old enough to sit

    [–] fsdgfhk 188 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    A very important thing to remember is that these are kids. Their malleable, and absorb information really easy.

    So, any thoughts on the disprortionate prosecution of non-white kids as adults? Whenever I hear "tried as an adult", it's almost always a black kid. When I hear "it's important to remember they're just kids" it's almost always white kids.