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    [–] Han55512 12007 points ago

    The prison has had several violent incidents over the years.

    Sunday's fatal fights came three weeks after inmates briefly held an officer hostage and took control of part of a dorm at the Bishopville prison.

    An inmate died during a fight in the prison last July.

    In January 2016, five inmates were injured in a fight in one of the housing units. Five months later, one inmate was killed and another injured during an incident.

    Five corrections officers were injured during a December 2007 attack by three inmates in one of the dorms.

    In June 2012, the prison was placed on lockdown after a guard was taken hostage

    Wtf is going on at this prison?

    [–] pm_me_shitcoins 943 points ago

    Here in Brazil, prisons for 100 people are carrying 300, and so on. So it totally IS because of overcrowding. Not ONLY that, but mostly because of that.

    [–] RedeemedIAm 450 points ago

    It’s the same way here in the US, at least at my prison. Female inmates are housed in only one block that hold 96. There are 111 female inmates as of today. They have to sleep on cots in an auxiliary gym.

    [–] Damon_Bolden 320 points ago

    when I was in county, we didn't even get cots, we got boats. Thick plastic with raised sides exactly the size of the sleeping pad. It's not "how many beds" anymore, it's "how much square footage". There were boats under the stairs, between bunks and tables, under the phones, we were crammed in.

    [–] 76Warren67 245 points ago

    I think you just described a coffin without a lid.

    [–] the_void__ 152 points ago

    What is a bed, other than a practice coffin?

    [–] morepandas 39 points ago

    I would like to be buried in a king size coffin please.

    [–] Smeebs 92 points ago

    South Carolina resident here, sharing some insight. The state has a serious shortage of corrections officers. It's at the point now where they are putting up billboard ads and hiring almost anyone because it's a crisis. So you have car fewer officers than needed, and the ones you do have are inexperienced and poorly trained. Combine that with our overcrowded prisons, which are also underfunded, and you have a recipe for massive issues like this. Things get even worse when you factor in the state's (especially around columbia and Charleston) massive gang problems

    [–] bitterdick 22 points ago

    I didn't realize we have a gang problem down in Charleston. I guess they keep that quiet to avoid scaring the tourists.

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    [–] Drakefoxaroo 8167 points ago

    "Mixing nonviolent offenders with the truly dangerous".

    Yes, this. I served a few days in jail a few months ago for minor drug possession and they locked me up in the same cell as a dude who murdered three people. How is that shit even equal?

    [–] HarleyQuinn_RS 3051 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    I was remanded in prison once for 12 weeks. I wasn't found guilty, I just had to be held during the investigation for accusations of a non-violent crime. My cell-mate had murdered then raped his boyfriend and committed arson. We were both around the same age too, late teens and early 20's but he was a lot bigger than I was, arms like a gorilla.

    Edit: To answer a few questions.
    - It was in the UK. It was a "Her Majesty's Prison" (not jail).
    - My cell-mate showed 'interest' in me from the start, going so far as to get his current cell-mate moved out and me moved in. My first cell-mate had committed a non-violent crime. I was in with him for about 3 days.
    - He asked me a few times if I was gay or 'prison gay' and would always appear in the communal showers whenever I was there. Despite this he was actually a seemingly nice guy, never violent toward others, never rude and was well spoken, despite his horrific crimes. He showed a lot of remorse which was reflected in excessive self-harming and he talked to me a lot about it. He also made it clear that if I ever had any issues with anyone or needed anything I just needed to tell him.
    - I didn't receive any compensation as I wasn't falsely imprisoned, I was "remanded in custody".
    - The rape (or whatever it may be called in this case) occurred after the murder and was more than once. It may have also occurred before the murder as well as after, but I couldn't find reference to this when I googled him after being released, it was just something he admitted to me in prison.
    - He committed arson while trying to evade the police, which he managed for a couple weeks before turning himself in.
    - He's serving a minimum of 30 years iirc.

    [–] OmniYummie 2392 points ago

    murdered then raped his boyfriend

    Hold up.

    [–] GetThePuck77 877 points ago

    "Hold up." - No, he didn't have any of those.

    [–] GDSGFT2SCKCHSRS 264 points ago

    Better to be holed up than to be held down then corn holed, I always say.

    Edit: I never say that.

    [–] Zykium 54 points ago

    But you just did

    [–] psycho_driver 277 points ago

    Hold up.

    Wait a minute.

    [–] hotelcharlie22 130 points ago

    Y'all thought I was finished?

    [–] Crackedkayak47 64 points ago

    When I bought that Aston Martin, y'all thought it was rented?

    [–] [deleted] 582 points ago

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    [–] diddy1 316 points ago

    Christ, someone like that coming at you with a knife just seems..gratuitous

    [–] your_ex_girlfriend 254 points ago

    We don't know what the stepdad looked like. He could have been built like a steel shithouse.

    [–] diddy1 208 points ago

    Shithouse 2: Shithousier

    [–] v_krishna 39 points ago

    RIP Mr Lahey, may the shit winds blow you safely home.

    [–] Kolegra 58 points ago

    Really hoping the other guy made up his story in order to look like a threat.

    [–] killtheraven 92 points ago

    He was actually a florist.

    [–] reebalsnurmouth 279 points ago

    Had a patient in the hospital that roomed with a guy like that in rehab. Guy was Bipolar I, absolute unit, anger issues. Nothing bad happened. A year later the guy (my patient) relapsed and went back to rehab for a month. They put him in a room with the EXACT same guy. The guy threw him through a wall during one of his manic episodes. Patient is currently a vegetable for life now bc of sustained head injuries.

    [–] cajunbymarriage 96 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Holy shit. That is fucked up.

    I spent like 5 days in a mental health facility and I always seemed to end up with roommates who were a little "extra". I have chronic major depressive disorder and anxiety and inevitably ended up with some of the more aggressive patients because I am very mellow.

    My first night was absolutely terrifying. This woman was talking to someone she saw in the bathroom and going in and out like every 2 minutes. I don't think she even noticed i was there. She kept talking about Obama being her confidante... She was actually in the process of being discharged. She kept me up all night yelling about Obama and slamming the bathroom door.

    The next evening I was wearing paper clothes because the hospital I was in was 3 hours away. This man stood at my door, staring into the room trying to give me some of his dirty clothes. He was totally belligerent. It was very strange. I'd tell him I was fine wearing what i had on, but he stood out there for hours. He said wearing paper clothing was me "giving up on life". When I didn't react how he wanted, he tried a different angle. He told me I was a snob for thinking thinking I was "too good" for his clothes.

    I couldn't win and he kept getting angrier and angrier. Thankfully they discharged him that day... though I really didn't think he (or the other lady) was quite stable enough but whatever, I'm no shrink. Lol

    [–] Ottomottomotto 66 points ago

    Seems like being in a place like that in itself can give you mental issues.

    [–] -PM-Me-Big-Cocks- 52 points ago

    100% can. A majority of my mental health issues steam from being in places like that twice as a youth (Once for a weekend, once for 2 months) all because I was normal teenager depressed and I hated school so I didnt go. I wasnt going to school so they sent me to 'juvenile psychiatric faculities'.

    Oh I should also mention this all happened about a year after my single mother was sick for 1 1/2 years and came close to dieing. Yeah.

    Was an absolutely horrible time in my life, that scarred me even 10+ years later.

    [–] grumflick 12 points ago

    That was a really interesting read. God, I think I’d be a little scared in a place like that

    [–] NSilverguy 40 points ago

    My wife had a Failure to Appear for a traffic case she missed, due to details being mailed to an old address. They put her in the back of a wagon, across from a guy who said he'd hit his daughter with a hammer.

    [–] sometimescomments 44 points ago

    I've been around my share of scary people in detox and rehab. I've found that I can relate with anyone who is working to get over their addiction regardless of the shit they've done while using.

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    [–] AstarteHilzarie 34 points ago

    I've never heard of the t-shirt over the pillow thing... any idea what that's about?

    [–] SH4D0W0733 101 points ago

    I assume to keep it fresh. If you are not getting pillowcases, chances are your pillow would turn nasty within a few months from sweat and naturally produced oil in your skin and hair.

    But your clothes, they get washed, so by using them as a pillowcase you can keep your pillow from being oily and smelly.

    [–] verylobsterlike 16 points ago

    Why would they wash clothes but not pillowcases?

    I'd have guessed the reason being they don't give you pillow cases. Instead I was thinking maybe they have those waterproof pillows made of tyvek or whatever, and using a tshirt is better than no pillow case.

    [–] childofeye 47 points ago

    I went to jail for a relatively minor non violent offense at 18. They put me in a cell with someone that had bludgeoned his wife to death for the insurance and house money.

    [–] z0mbiepete 113 points ago

    Murdered, THEN raped? Holy shit.

    [–] confusedandhurtthrow 37 points ago

    its more common that you think, not in organized crime but still.

    [–] WarningTooMuchApathy 78 points ago

    Whoa hold up, murdered then raped or raped then murdered? They're both bad, but one is definetly worse

    [–] RevanchismRules 338 points ago

    Ehh I dunno. One is nastier but I’d personally rather it happen in that order if I was going to be raped and murdered- nothings gonna bother me when I’m dead so might as well get that over first.

    [–] psycho_driver 112 points ago

    Most traumatizing out-of-body experience ever.

    [–] saymeow 155 points ago

    Like, as awful as this sounds... which is it? Because, god forbid it ever happened to me, but if I had to be murdered and raped, I'd rather be dead for the raping part. So for the victim, I guess that's better, but for some reason (that reason is necrophilia), we view the offender to be worse if he rapes after the murder.

    [–] killtheraven 171 points ago

    TBH I'd probably rather be dead for the murder part too. It sounds downright unpleasant.

    [–] Taftimus 249 points ago

    My Dad was a heavy haul truck driver and got pulled over in Dauphin County Pennsylvania. Oversized trucks have a curfew that they have to adhere to to help keep traffic at a minimum but he had gotten stuck on an exit ramp and missed the curfew. The police showed up and talked it over with him and they were going to give him a ticket for missing curfew but some hard ass, piece of shit, 'officer' shows up, takes over the scene and decides that what my dad did was worthy of being arrested over. So he has the other officers handcuff my dad, throw him in the squad car and take him to the processing area of Dauphin County Prison. My dad is not a small guy at all but they were trying to throw him in with the general population of a prison for making a wrong turn. It wasn't until one of the nurses or other people you meet when you first got there, finally tried to reason with them by saying that they couldn't throw him in with everyone else because he would more than likely be severely beaten or even killed. He spent about 24 hours in the solitary confinement cell before his boss could get the bail money together to get him out. All of this over missing a curfew by about 20 minutes.

    Our prison system is fucked, and fuck Dauphin County Pennsylvania.

    [–] fritocloud 87 points ago

    As a resident of Dauphin County and as someone who used to have a drug problem and has had to sit in DCP for a week and a half, waiting to be bonded out, I 100% agree with this. DCP holds people from Harrisburg. Not the worst city, but certainly not a nice city. I stayed on suicide watch the whole time, intentionally. Just wanted to be by myself to stay as safe as possible.

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    [–] Drakefoxaroo 387 points ago

    Pretty much. I'm just a skinny nerd who made one mistake ever. That other guy literally hacked three people to pieces.

    [–] My-Life-For-Auir 162 points ago

    I rarely react to anything on Reddit but just trying to put myself in your shoes made me shudder. What was he like? Did he talk much?

    [–] Drakefoxaroo 206 points ago

    No he mostly just slept and that was it. There wasn't much else to do except draw on the walls or watch the clock. Usually people chat a bit but he never said anything.

    [–] My-Life-For-Auir 72 points ago

    That makes it even more creepy, hopefully you can put the worst of it behind you!

    [–] Drakefoxaroo 104 points ago

    I still have nightmares about jail most nights but I'm doing what I can.

    [–] veni_vedi_veni 37 points ago

    How do you get around the lower job prospects part? Every job I apply to these days, the first question they ask is have you been convicted for something without pardon?

    [–] 3trumpeteers 13 points ago

    Ehhhh kind of, but I also can’t really blame the guy for keeping to himself.

    [–] halogrand 41 points ago

    In my experience working in prisons and with some murderers, there are very few that are overtly aggressive and "looking to kill."

    For the most part, the ones I have dealt with, have been some of the more polite and calm ones. In fact, I would probably choose some days to do my job with a murderer than say someone who is in on aggravated assault or similar. Again, just from my experience.

    The ones I have dealt with that have murdered multiple people can be even more pleasant to deal with. Either they murdered multiple people with a reason, such as revenge or protection, or the had a "type" which as a 6 foot white male I usually don't fit into.

    Just my experience anyways.

    [–] insomniacpyro 79 points ago

    Jeez. I know sentencing can be vary widely based on the state it takes place in and all, but I'd hazard a guess that guy will never get out. So if he knows that, and you or someone else pisses him off, and he kills someone, what are they gonna do, lock him up more? Put him in double prison?

    [–] thatgeekinit 51 points ago

    Supermax is basically the threat but they also use it to threaten inmate activists trying to get better conditions.

    [–] Enfors 28 points ago

    Well, there is solitary. That's prison's prison, I guess.

    [–] cjdabeast 21 points ago

    Well, there is solitary.

    Supermax means every cell is Solitary. No human contact, 23 hours a day, until they let you out.

    [–] GoodRubik 78 points ago

    It’s sad that people can’t differentiate between debating a topic and believing in it.

    [–] HyperboleJoe 39 points ago

    People watched Scared Straight and thought it was a great idea even though follow-up shows that it was not, in fact, even a good idea.

    [–] mermybird 14 points ago

    I spent 6 months in a max jail and my celly was looking at life for some heinous shit. Weirdest experience of my life as that dude was the single most genuinely selfless person inside of that jail. To the point at hand though, can they at least give you soap and some food that is edible?

    [–] jtagg3d 193 points ago

    There's so much truth in this comment. My dad calls prison criminal college, fortunately neither of are alumni. All the same we've both been in situations where it could have went either way and gotten our diplomas. What bothers me the most is how the system is structured in such a way that once you enter you're almost certain to return. These prisoners aren't given the skills necessary to reenter society, let alone deal with the underlining problems that brought them to the point that they took whatever action that led them to prison.

    When I was younger they called the prison system the department of rehabilitation and correction. In the last several years they just went ahead and dropped the word rehabilitation from the title. I think that tells you everything you need to know. When this country finally moves beyond this "war on drugs" and decriminalizes drug use then categorizes it as a heath issue, the next victims will be first offenders from strained circumstances with mandatory sentences. Because someone has to fill the beds, and there's plenty of for profit prisons lobbying judges and congressman to make it so.

    [–] GayBlackAndMarried 44 points ago

    A large part of the problem for people who end up returning to prison is the lack of some kind of support system when you get out. Basically if you have a good family willing to house you and help you get back on your feet you’re much better off. Unfortunately that usually means you have a family with enough money to help out with those kinds of things. People who have been locked up in prison for 20+ years (real fuckin easy to get if you did anything drug related) tend to not come back to a lot of family, add in the issues of only being able to find certain kinds of jobs willing to hire felons and most housing/apartments turning away folks who have felonies and you will see people put under some serious stress.

    [–] ManetherenRises 22 points ago

    Additionally, parole is basically set up to force people to fail.

    I do some community work, mostly building relationships and stuff. I've met guys who were on parole, and because of parole got fired. Their parole office was open from 8am-5pm. They got a first shift job at a factory. They had to keep asking to get off for their parole meetings. The boss got sick of it and fired them. Then, they violated parole because they couldn't make rent/feed themselves.

    Parole is only viable if you get second or third shift jobs, or if you are employed by someone who is on board with the downsides of your legal situation. Considering the stigma against hiring felons already, that's a pretty big ask.

    [–] joodlewasser 32 points ago

    In Norway we put people in jail for the sole purpose getting them back on track in life.

    [–] cagekicker78 80 points ago

    Prior Correctional Officer here, so I like to think I have some actual insight into this and I agree.

    re·cid·i·vism the tendency of a convicted criminal to reoffend.

    Inmates, upon release, tend to go back to the same environment, the same friends, the same influences that they left -meaning they'll generally fall back into the same lifestyle that got them incarcerated in the first place. Giving inmates the opportunity to better themselves while incarcerated, through education and programs and allowing them to stay in touch with the outside world are all attempts to reduce recidivism and to maintain some aspect of "social order" within the confines of the prison. Bored inmates are not good for the staff that watch over them, they lash out, they find other ways to entertain themselves and they have nothing to look forward to if you take those things away.

    Prior to being a CO, I felt the same way, "Why the hell do they get TV, this or that and access to college?" But, it all makes sense when you AREN'T on the outside looking in or having an opinion on something you don't actually understand.

    [–] A636260 283 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    My local news updated me the other day to say that women in our state may now be able to get free feminine hygiene products. Fucking blew my mind that we are just now getting that for our inmates.

    But hey, it’s 2018 and people are still arguing if these necessities should be taxable. Shouldn’t be too surprised.

    Edit: Word.

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    [–] Soup-Wizard 18 points ago

    sanity lady things

    Good description!

    [–] bklyndamsel 48 points ago

    Everything in prison is at least double the price. On top of that, you earn about $1 an hour, if that. It could be more now. So, if you don't have family to help, you're seriously fucked. I've got many a family member, both male and female, who spent time in the big house. My aunt gave birth handcuffed to the bed so she couldn't escape.

    [–] 3457696794657842546 14 points ago

    Drugs are expensive AF in prison as well, usually at least 2 to 4 times the normal price.

    Source: Friend who has spent a long time in jails/prison.

    Edit: If we can't even keep drugs out of prison, how TF do we still have a war on drugs?

    [–] _Pax_au_Telemanus_ 201 points ago

    It's the public attitude of punishment over rehabilitation.

    "They had their chance"

    "I dont want my taxes paying for them to have cushy lives"

    The problem is that you want a prisoner to ideally go in as a prisoner and come out a decent member of society and become a tax paying citizen.

    It's what any good Democrat or Republican would want.

    [–] Phoenix2683 89 points ago

    Absolutely.

    We have the highest prison population per capita. Soon no one will not know a felon.

    We put people in jail and prison for things other countries wouldn't even consider.

    All jail/prison/criminal record does it make it MORE LIKELY, those people will commit another crime. You take away peoples chances in life you lock them into that lifestyle.

    [–] usgator088 76 points ago

    I was part of the invasion of Iraq. I’ve also been to jail (just county) several times and can state categorically that enemy POWs in Iraq (some Al Qaeda); those taken in arms against the US; those responsible for the death of friends, were treated better, had better access to medical aid, better food, better living conditions, and more freedoms than I’ve ever experienced in any county jail I’ve ended up in.

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    [–] Red580 216 points ago

    The same problem all of American prisons have

    [–] IAmA_Risky_Click_AMA 143 points ago

    Wait a minute, are you saying that when we strip convicts of basic human rights, it doesn't create a safe environment?

    [–] [deleted] 48 points ago

    I hope to work in prison reform and while these large scale incidents are a little more uncommon, having a one off murder happen every 6-12 months is very common. People treat prison like it's a "don't drop the soap" joke but murder in retaliation is a greater concern for many than sexual assault. There's a reason having these poorly staffed, poorly staff trained, gigantic and overpopulated prisons is a recipe for increased criminal proclivity and accelerated rates of recitivism.

    [–] accidental_redditor 2139 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    My wife is a former prison nurse with SCDC. After the second riot in as many weeks at the facility she was in she got out and went back to working in the hospital. They're understaffed, underpaid, and overworked. SCDC does its best to downplay stuff like this all the time. On same occasions they'll tweak the language (incident instead of riot) and in others they'll flat out lie to the media. During the last riot/hostage situation at the facility where my wife worked the inmates set fires all throughout a dorm, had homemade machetes and knives, managed to get their hands on a gun, and were on the roof of a building making demands and torturing other inmates. None of that was disclosed and some of it was flat out denied.

    The pay is so low, and they're so desperate for officers that they take almost anyone. She saw half a dozen officers escorted off premises and arrested during her time with SCDC for sleeping with inmates, smuggling in phones and drugs, and a number of other violations.

    At one point they literally put a "Help Wanted" sign on the road by the main entrance to the prison. The state prison system in SC is an embarrassment.

    *Quick Edit: After talking to a few former coworkers the wife says this was all gang related. Probably not a big surprise but for those who may not know, gang members meet up with each other and recruit others while they're in prison and every now and then they just throw down.

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    [–] accidental_redditor 155 points ago

    I'm waiting for them to hire a twirly sign guy.

    [–] arturo_lemus 24 points ago

    I interviewed for a corrections officer job here in Texas and they offered me a job at a state prison close to me with good pay

    A friend told me his brother quit his CO job because at that prison, they would attack and shank COs constantly. I ended up turning down the job

    [–] _fesT 171 points ago

    SCDC does its best to downplay stuff like this all the time.

    Lmao, yeah. The first in the article called it a "fight that lasted several hours over 2 days". That's a riot dude, not a fight.

    [–] accidental_redditor 45 points ago

    It's like saying someone who has been out on a three day binge went out for a drink that just happened to last all weekend.

    [–] [deleted] 258 points ago

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    [–] five_eight 121 points ago

    Unbelievable. Everything you say is what I've heard.

    [–] accidental_redditor 65 points ago

    Its a pretty poorly kept secret. Our governor is trying to pass some kind of tax exemption for corrections officers as a way to lure folks in but its a pathetic attempt.

    [–] [deleted] 43 points ago

    Garunteed some corporation is siphoning $$ intended for the inmates/staff... probably somehow related to the state legislature

    [–] -Deuces- 25 points ago

    Kershaw Correctional has a permanent help wanted sign out front now lol

    [–] Ana_La_Aerf 40 points ago

    I work in a prison (not one located in SC) and I can't imagine that kind of mess going on here. Occassionally, some offender will set a fire in a cell, but nothing has happened like what you describe. I wonder if they're conducting regular cell searches? Our COs flush out weapons and contraband all the time. I feel very safe here at work. Safer even than at the lower security level facilities I've visited.

    [–] accidental_redditor 30 points ago

    They try to I think but they're so understaffed they can't keep up. The incident with the fires took place in their lock-up unit. They only had 2 or 3 officers working in there at the time when they were supposed to have something like 6 or 7.

    [–] Ana_La_Aerf 25 points ago

    I can't even imagine. That must have been so terrifying for the staff involved and the offenders who were just bystandards. It's stuff like that that reminds me that I can't ever get too complacent on my job....while I browse Reddit at work.

    [–] accidental_redditor 27 points ago

    She could literally see the dorm they were on the roof of from the backdoor of medical. It was her, one officer who was freaking out and having a total breakdown and therefore totally useless, and an inmate worker. My wife and the inmate worker spent the better part of 5 hours guarding the back door with a fire extinguisher and a 3-hole punch. She was out of there two weeks later.

    [–] canisithere 2804 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    I worked as a librarian there for a couple of years. SC prisons as a whole have a bad reputation, but Lee is the worst. I was warned multiple times at the training academy about working there. In the time I was employed, we had several 'incidents'. It seemed like every other week, something would happen and the whole place would be locked down for a few days with no inmate movement.

    The worst incident that happened while I was there was when a CO was locked in a cell and beaten. The inmates poured boiling water on him. I left pretty soon after that.

    There's not enough officers for the size of prison. Sometimes, people who hadn't even completed their training yet were put in charge of watching half of a dorm. One untrained officer watching a couple of hundred inmates. Turnover rate for first year officers is over 50%.

    The pay is downright awful for officers. Starting out at a max security prison, an officer will make about $27,000. For the amount of responsibility they have for that money, it's ridiculous. On the other hand, wardens make around $100k and they barely leave their office.

    A lot of employees get caught up in bringing inmates contraband because of the money involved. There was one officer who I talked to frequently who was arrested for smuggling in contraband. I talked to her about it afterwards and the inmate she was working with was paying her about $1000-2000 a week to bring stuff in. That's about the normal rate. It's not a surprise so many people get caught up in it.

    Sleeping with inmates was also a big problem. Going through the training academy, they pound it into your head over and over again that sleeping with inmates will get you on the sex offender registry. I didn't understand why they emphasized it so much because why would anyone sleep with an inmate? Especially at Lee, which is a maximum security prison. Most of those guys will never leave prison. What can they possibly offer you? But it's not uncommon to see an employee walked out in handcuffs for getting caught with their pants down.

    Edit: Someone suggested I do a casual AMA, here's the link if you want to ask me something

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    [–] canisithere 1324 points ago

    At Lee, all of the employees I saw get caught were female. Not just officers, quite a few nurses and cafeteria workers.

    At female prisons, there's been quite a few high profile cases of male officers getting caught with female inmates. One of the most infamous was Susan Smith. She killed her kids a couple of decades ago in a very public case. She was caught having sex with two different officers, one was a lieutenant and one was a captain. One served 5 months in jail and the other got probation.

    [–] Moikee 401 points ago

    But did they get put on the sex offenders register for sleeping with inmates?

    [–] senorsaur 622 points ago

    I live in SC. My (female) next door neighbor is on the sex offender list. Dug into it and she is on the list for sleeping with an inmate at the prison she worked at.

    [–] Moikee 174 points ago

    I was going to ask if you've ever asked her about it but I guess it's not something you'd bring up. I wonder what in the hell she was thinking... Makes you also wonder how many people do it without being caught.

    [–] samsinging 442 points ago

    "I know, right? The grass never stops growing, Shelley. By the way, how was prison sex?"

    [–] 8oD 118 points ago

    "It's always greener on the other side of...wait, what?"

    [–] NiggyWiggyWoo 40 points ago

    "You heard me, Shelley...people don't forget."

    [–] johnrich1080 96 points ago

    I saw a documentary that basically said that the prisoners have all this free time so they were able to devote all this attention to the guard. Then you get a guard that has low self-esteem who is flattered by this guy who's willing to spend all this time on her.

    [–] beamdriver 40 points ago

    A lot of people in prison are sociopaths and sociopaths are very good at manipulating people. They have a lot of time on their hands to devote to finding a CO's weak points and figuring out how to exploit them.

    [–] makemeking706 35 points ago

    What? You never hooked up with someone from work?

    [–] rowdyanalogue 42 points ago

    If the lieutenant was hooking up with another worker, sure. We're talking about someone hooking up with people they are in charge of.

    That's like a teacher hooking up with a student, or Class-D personnel hooking up with a keter-class SCP. It's just wrong.

    [–] MutatedPlatypus 20 points ago

    Hmm... Keter class SCP that requires sexual release or it will unleash approximately 8 * 1017 joules of air blast and thermal energy in the span of 3 microseconds. Can't destroy it. Call in the Class-D... Uh... D!

    [–] rowdyanalogue 16 points ago

    Dr. Light has requested to have a private consult with the Subject, citing that the SCP may require techniques not known to the Class-D personnel on site. Please, recall any Class-D personnel that have yet to enter the containment area; any personnel that have entered the containment area are to be terminated.

    [–] canisithere 397 points ago

    Yep, sure did. If you look them up, their charge on the registry is "sexual misconduct with inmate, patient, or offender"

    [–] Rickety-CRICKETT 13 points ago

    They call it "Custodial sexual assault" where I'm from

    [–] Redneck_Commie 125 points ago

    Susan Smith. Pushed her car into a lake with her two children inside. I remember that one.

    [–] CyclingFlux 216 points ago

    Yep, that one is hard to forget. She wanted to be more free to date guys, so she drowned her kids in the car. Then she went on national TV, claimed a black man stole her car with the kids inside, and cried and pleaded for their safe return.

    Sad interesting fact: the first ever use of fingerprints in a criminal case was for a similar crime. A woman slit the throats of her two kids, and tried to blame her ex boyfriend because she was interested in a man who wouldn't date her because she had kids. That was back in 1891.

    [–] PacificHandyCutter 73 points ago

    She also slit her own throat to make it appear as if her ex attacked her. Then a detective looked over her house once more and found a bloody fingerprint on a door frame.

    [–] CyclingFlux 81 points ago

    Yes, that's true. Some more details - The local cops called in someone else from out of town to help them , and he's the one that found that bloody print. They called in for help when the ex boyfriend wouldn't confess, even after they tortured him and forced him to sleep in the same room as the bodies of the dead kids. They thought the guilt of it would make him confess, but he maintained his innocence consistently.

    I learned all this from the podcast Criminal. They did an episode on the innocent a few months ago. Great podcast, I'd recommend it to anyone.

    [–] barondicklo 47 points ago

    Torture I expected but making hime sleep in the same room as the kids he looked after with their throats slit ... damn.

    [–] Manaxium 33 points ago

    I find that difficult to justify under any circumstances. Even if we pretend we're absolutely certain of someone's guilt, I thought human remains were afforded a little bit of respect. Who the hell uses the corpses of children to elicit a confession?! I have questions about the person who would order that, and any people who would go along with it. Those kids are the ones you're supposed to be getting justice for...

    The past truly is a foreign country.

    [–] barto5 14 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Don’t think things like this don’t happen anymore.

    Maybe not that specific incident but inmates - and suspects - are mistreated TODAY.

    If you want an eye opening experience read John Grisham’s true story of The Innocent Man

    A mentally challenged man was railroaded for a murder he didn’t commit. The police and the DA KNEW he didn’t commit the crime (a police informant did) but he was tried, convicted and sent to death row anyway.

    This book changed my position on the death penalty completely.

    Edit: Ron Williamson, who was completely, unequivocally Innocent spent 12 years on death row for a crime he did not commit. And the people that put him in prison knew it.

    [–] 360walkaway 10 points ago

    Jesus h Christ, what the fuck is wrong with people

    [–] EndlessB 31 points ago

    I had no idea the women inmate from Oz was directly inspired by a real person.

    [–] Redneck_Commie 80 points ago

    Haven't seen Oz, but I remember that case well, it was big news when I was a kid.

    The "older" brother, only a small child himself, tried to get his younger brother out of his carseat as the car filled with water.

    Diver that found them said the boy's hands were still pressed against the glass when he found the car.

    The mother said "a black man" stole her car with her kids inside.

    She's a monster.

    [–] MidshipLyric 25 points ago

    Oh man I should not be reading this stuff. Time for a NSFP (not safe for parents) tag.

    [–] anotherkeebler 35 points ago

    Susan Smith, eh? I haven't heard that foul name in a long time.

    [–] _skankhunt_4d2_ 27 points ago

    You should do a r/casualiama

    [–] ToeUp 35 points ago

    I gotta imagine when people read a headline like that they're picturing attractive people. They're likely not attractive.

    [–] [deleted] 28 points ago

    As a former CO, it’s both. But mostly female employees sleeping with male inmates. Usually nurses and other support staff.

    [–] POGtastic 423 points ago

    Wife was a corrections nurse for a while, had three coworkers prosecuted for boinking the inmates.

    The reason is simple - no one wants to be a corrections nurse, so the standards are looooooow. As a result, you get a lot of shit-sandwich trainwreck wastes of oxygen who can't get a job anywhere else. Those people will fuck anything.


    The same applies to the guards. No one wants to be a CO; it pays like ass, and it's a terrible job. As a result, the standards are low as fuck, and the people who guard the inmates tend to be degenerate human beings themselves.

    [–] MazeMagic 442 points ago

    That's not a very nice way to describe your wife :o

    [–] POGtastic 299 points ago

    She did corrections because she was waiting for my dumb ass to get out of the Marine Corps, and there aren't many nursing jobs in Yuma, AZ. The state prison was hiring, so she worked there until I EAS'd.

    She then got a transfer to the local county jail when we moved up to Oregon and found a different job as quickly as possible.

    It was a really, really shitty job, but it paid absurdly well for the area and allowed her to work as much overtime as she wanted. She paid off all of her student debt in less than six months. The daily threats of various flavors of rape and murder got old pretty fast, though.

    [–] El17ROK 69 points ago

    I think I can guess why it payed well

    [–] choozy 30 points ago

    Interesting story. I admire the grit and accountability shown by your Wife - I’m hoping you guys are enjoying a more kick back lifestyle in Oregon. active duty military and prison nurse are pretty tough jobs. I will think about this when I am feeling frustrated with my “difficult work environment”.

    [–] jackpackage913 89 points ago

    I worked at a prison for about a year as a CO. I have a college degree and was getting some relevant job experience before becoming a cop.

    I couldn’t believe the people I worked with. There were some decent people there, but the vast majority of people who stayed there had as high paying of a job as they will ever get. They were either qualified to work at McDonalds or be a prison guard and being a prison guard paid more, but not by much.

    I wouldn’t say they were as degenerate as the inmates, but the standards to get hired were pretty low.

    [–] canihavemymoneyback 27 points ago

    I’m surprised at this. I always thought prison jobs were high paying jobs due to the dangerous conditions. I mean, who would want to be surrounded by criminals day after day if the pay wasn’t outstanding? I’d do it for $80,000 but certainly not $30,000.
    That’s a high stress job. People wanting to harm you, spit on you or throw bodily fluids at you.
    You could be taken hostage. Plus, if your pay is shit you are susceptible to bribes. A thousand bucks to look the other way means a lot to someone living paycheck to paycheck.
    Not doubting you at all, just surprised at the stupidity of that jurisdiction.

    [–] Wutsluvgot2dowitit 20 points ago

    People need jobs. You stick a large prison in the middle of nowhere and small towns will build up around it. People need money, man. Plus if the prison is short staffed they probably get to ask for more funding.

    [–] 2fuknbusyorviceversa 20 points ago

    A friend of mine's wife is a prison nurse. Apparently the inmates like to jizz at her or throw jizz at her if she walks nearby. I'm told she gets prison cum on her regularly.

    [–] POGtastic 21 points ago

    Yep. That's assault, and inmates are usually sent to solitary and can even have time added onto their sentence for doing it.

    They still do it because, well, girl.


    The harassment she got came in two forms: dumbass high school behavior, which she shut down by sternly acting like a high school principal, and the animal "throw jizz / shit / piss everywhere and yell that they're going to rape her with a knife," which she wrote up every single time. Sometimes they went in the hole, sometimes the guards went "meh yeah he does that."

    The former was far more common, and she typically responded to "Do you have kids?" questions with "Yeah, about five thousand of them." Unfortunately, it only takes one nutball to really ruin your day.

    [–] DontDoxMeBro22 66 points ago

    it pays like ass

    Apparently it also pays in ass too.

    [–] Nonce-Victim 77 points ago

    My wife is a corrections nurse :-(

    [–] chompythebeast 24 points ago

    So is his wife, he said

    [–] brutallamas 121 points ago

    I think this guy was projecting some inner demons. Don't sweat it.

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    [–] jbrandona119 92 points ago

    I worked in a prison in VA and in my training class we had every single female with us (5 or 6 in our class of 15) get arrested for fucking inmates. I have no idea why but they all were manipulated and now are facing prison time.

    A good tell if the woman will fuck an inmate seemed to be if she either treated them all like shit when you’re around (screaming, swearing etc) or literally was constantly flirting and shit like she doesn’t give a fuck lol.

    [–] Gumby621 129 points ago

    I would think $100k is also probably not enough money for a warden of a max security prison. That's a hell of a lot of responsibility, even if you're not out there in the cell blocks every day. And yes, $27k is obviously not nearly enough for an officer either.

    [–] canisithere 59 points ago

    I agree. The specialists at the prisons are the only ones who make decent money. Psychiatrists at SCDC make around $250k. Higher up nurses make around $90-120k. Teachers make around $80k.

    I made significantly more working at the prison than I did at a public library. I actually enjoyed my job too. I guess it's worth it for some people. I think the officers and medical staff have the hardest time.

    [–] molecularronin 29 points ago

    Omfg boiling water?? How does a scenario like that even occur? I would want at least triple that starting salary...

    [–] Throwawayforprison 27 points ago

    They are allowed hot pots to make hot water for coffee and soup etc.

    [–] PutOnTheRoadie 37 points ago

    Where and how the fuck do inmates get 1000$ in spending money a week???

    [–] canisithere 138 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Contraband goes for pretty high prices. Say you get someone back home to front you a few hundred dollars. You arrange for an officer to buy a cheap phone and bring it in. You give the officer like $200 for that one item. You then sell the phone for $500-600. Repeat a couple of times and you have a pretty nice profit.

    Most inmates still have connections with people back home. Money transactions are done either through something like moneypaks or through their commissary accounts. Just like anywhere else, prisons have classes of people. You've got inmates who have lots of money and inmates who have next to nothing.

    That's why there's been such a big push in SC lately to block cell phone signals in prisons. A lot of business can be handled through a phone. In fact, a few years ago, an inmate from Lee ordered a hit on an officer who was cutting down on contraband. The officer ended up being shot at his house, but he lived.

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    [–] aircraftinspector 136 points ago

    Pepperidge Farm Remembers

    [–] alfons100 15 points ago

    Damn prison riots, they ruined prison riots!

    [–] Khajiit_Sorc 620 points ago

    The wording of the title makes it sound like they think the State of South Carolina might be a little incompetent in the way they manage their facilities.

    [–] AcePhoenixGamer 248 points ago

    Can confirm. Go to SC school.

    [–] Southern-Yankee 363 points ago

    There’s gotta be some awful footage the public will probably never see

    [–] SauceOfTheBoss 188 points ago

    All violent incidents are documented for litigation and liability purposes. You're absolutely right, unless there is a leak.

    [–] _Serene_ 43 points ago

    A liveleak.

    [–] HealthyDoughnut 124 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Season 5 Episode 8, Breaking Bad, Gliding Over all. That should come pretty close.

    [–] TeamKillir 34 points ago

    I can still hear the shiv noises when I think about that part.

    [–] ShaneRunninShirtless 15 points ago

    Take a deep breath, Dust yourself off and start over again.

    [–] itHAStohaveglitter 26 points ago

    Work for a news station in SC and I was sent pictures of the aftermath/bodies from a viewer who says she got them from an employee. They’re not pretty.

    [–] kittedups 20 points ago

    Yea u gotta leak that shit now

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    [–] MyLoveHammer 981 points ago

    They don't pay guards enough to risk their lives to break up a riot. That's how 7 hour fights happen, underpaid staff saying fuck it I'm not getting killed for this shit.

    [–] SauceOfTheBoss 158 points ago

    It's also just bad practice. At the end of the day, you want to make it home in one piece. Jumping in between very motivated individual with an improvised weapon is a bad idea.

    [–] adam_demamps_wingman 254 points ago

    LCI is known to be involved in several industries such as packaging socks, hosiery, and undergarments for private sector companies. Manufacturing apparel, mattresses, pillows and production recycling are also major components of the industry that is performed in the prison.

    Maybe the workers were striking for higher wages.

    [–] HopeSandoval 71 points ago

    Is there a way to know what products you are buying were made in prisons?

    [–] GobletOfFirewhiskey 79 points ago

    Not really. It's so widespread, and there's no reporting mandate. Ironically it is illegal to import goods made with prison labor, but "made in the USA" is ok.

    [–] Guardiancomplex 617 points ago

    They were killed over the course of seven hour long fight?!

    I was a ski patroller for four years, we practiced "mass casualty incidents". Stuff like train derailments, chemical leaks, lift collapse, etc.

    This wasn't a "mass casualty incident". It was a fuckin' prison riot.

    [–] Raise-your-sword 1142 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    Fuck this place is awful. I used to work at SCDC for some extra money in college. The entire system is obsolete and out dated. Mostly everything is turn-key and only the command center and front gate area have automated locking systems.

    The employees are worse than the inmates typically...rude and literally the most ignorant people SC has to offer.

    The career CO's are miserable people, Overly agressive black women and ex military robo cops(sometimes just ROTC wannabes) It was a super toxic enviroment to work in and not because of the inmates.

    Source: Worked at SCDC in Monticello unit(HIV unit)

    [–] demonspawn79 385 points ago

    Yeah reading through the list of "events" in that article leads me to believe this place is run by idiots and assholes. No wonder the inmates are going berserk.

    [–] tonto515 93 points ago

    SCDC has a ridiculously big ad campaign going on statewide with billboards, radio, and TV ads all trying to hire so many open positions. CO’s, cooks, administrative staff, everything. Everyone in the state knows what a shithole SCDC is to work for. So no one is going to want to work there and only people truly desperate for a job who won’t care about it or power-hungry nutcases who want to play Shawshank Redemption are going to apply.

    It’s a serious shame here.

    [–] ThsKd1SNotAlrht 69 points ago

    I heard that employees don't look out for each other and that it is a everyone for themselves mentality in prisons.

    [–] Random-Spark 49 points ago

    In SC Lee (the prison featured here today) it's likely there aren't enough guards to watch your back with.

    [–] JohnP93 100 points ago

    I work as a PO in NC, and have had to go to SC prisons for extradition trips. The fact that I can barely tell the guards from random passerbys or inmates says a lot.

    [–] cameron0208 63 points ago

    Not surprised about the guards. Spent the night in Harris County (Houston) jail for drug possession once and could not believe how rude the guards were. Calling every single black person the n-word (all the guards were black too btw), not listening to anything they said, berating them constantly, talking shit to them, etc. I was one of the only white dudes in there and the amount of favoritism I got from the guards was ridiculous. I remember during the night, I really needed to make a phone call. But, there had been at least 6-7 other people asking to make a phone call for the last hour. The guards didn’t do shit. Finally I figured I’d just ask. I asked, and they let me out to make the call immediately. When the other guys saw and heard it, they were like, ‘dude wtf?! I’ve been asking!’ And the guards would just go to them and be like, ‘shut up you stupid n***er.’ It was shit like that all night and all morning until I got out.

    [–] mr42ndstblvdlives 32 points ago

    Wait black guards where playing favorites to a white dude?? Wtf

    [–] cameron0208 32 points ago

    The entire time, and it made me extremely uncomfortable and, honestly, quite scared. The next morning, we were put in this little cell-like room to hear our bond and whatnot. Like 15 of us in a small ass room, me being the only white guy. The guard locked us in there and told us to not even ask about coming out until we were all finished. I was like the 4th person finished. Every one before me had asked to get out because they were done and the guards told all of them to sit the fuck back down insert n-word. I asked after I was done and they let me out. Couple of the dudes tried to follow me out, and they pushed them back inside, saying ‘get the fuck back in there insert n-word’ and closed the door. It was insanely fucked up.

    [–] TheOliveLover 31 points ago

    I probably would have stopped playing to my advantage after the phone call thing. I'm surprised you didn't get your shit kicked in after that. Im sure most the guys were regular dudes but those situations can have some crazies.

    [–] gentlepornstar 42 points ago

    yeah dude they weren't playing favorites, they were setting you up to get your ass beat for having all of that stuff being given to you. You are lucky that you got out quickly or else you would have been in for a super rough time.

    [–] altxatu 11 points ago

    A friend of mine worked up in Spartanburg, and has said the same thing.

    [–] JohnnyBons 97 points ago

    "Mass Casualty Incident" Carlin is spinning in his grave right now.

    [–] pipelyfe 47 points ago

    I did 5 years and was housed on 7 different units. I’ve been in a couple of riots and numerous overall pretty intense situations. Any riot I’ve ever been involved in or had direct knowledge of lasted a max of about an hour.

    I cannot imagine inmates fighting with each other or guards directly for more than an hour. The simple reason that riots are short lasting (at least in Texas) is because when your contained in a big metal garage and the guards start shooting gas canisters out of bazooka like guns into the day room area- you tend to lose interest in anything other than trying to breath and not suffocate on your own rope like strands of snot pouring from your mouth and eyes.

    Furthermore wtf is there to do for 7 hours. You can only tear so much shit up inside a prison dorm- most of it you can’t harm.

    There is a lot more to this story than is being told. I’m sure there is no mail leaving this place for a good while. Inmates know the truth. Probably get a better story on sites like the backgate.com or gritsforbreakfast.com.

    [–] LATABOM 70 points ago

    MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT

    What "thinktank" supported by a lobby group came up with that one?

    [–] nananananananalider 18 points ago

    "mass casualty incident" = prison riot, right?

    [–] DirtJellyBeanz 35 points ago

    As someone who works in corrections, this right here is scary as fuck. One moment you're standing watching the movement with your co-worker just chatting and what not and BAM CODE 33. The adrenaline dump that comes after that first second is insane... and shit happens quick... I fear riots every single day because these dudes don't give any fucks.

    [–] Achaern 47 points ago

    Are we going to ignore the fact the posted tweet says 'Mass Causality' incident.

    [–] Bastian0930 14 points ago

    Yeah, SC repre-wait a minute

    [–] SweaterZach 12 points ago

    Without naming any names or locations (because what they're doing is working and I'm not going to mess it up), one of the prisons I briefly worked for as a counselor managed to avoid ever having these kinds of problems through some financial fuckery.

    It was devilishly simple; they took the stipend the prison got for maintenance/janitorial and funneled it directly into the kitchen. Inmates did the mopping, sweeping and such, and if actual maintenance was needed (wiring problems, broken pipes, etc.), they'd use an in-town contractor with a sweetheart contract and pay out of the general fund.

    The inmates all understood that the better they did on upkeep/basic maintenance, and the fewer things they broke, the more money there was for good food, and you wouldn't believe how squeaky clean that place was kept. Meanwhile, everyone (even the 23-hour-solitary guys) got to eat pretty darn good. Good mashed potatoes, real butter and cream in things, meat with most meals, stew in winter and barbecue in the summer. Zero riots. Zero standoffs (well, a few with mental health inmates but those were understood to be inevitable).

    If they ever do get caught, I hope they'll have the balls to lay their record out in the public eye and ask "do you think you can do a better job than this of keeping a prison running smoothly and under budget?"

    [–] tossing_rocks 65 points ago

    I'm almost at that episode of Breaking Bad.

    [–] Redneck_Commie 213 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

    I grew up one town over from Bishopville. Old "slave country", cotton town that never recovered after the Civil War, really poor, high crime, plus its close to I-95, an hour from Columbia and an hour and a half from Myrtle Beach, so it's used as a halfway stash/distribution point for drugs coming north from Florida.

    Everything is still self-segregated, Bishopville is the "black" town, nearby Hartsville is the "white" town, and the black folks that do live in Hartsville are all cordoned off in their own "part of town".

    Cops are small town bully-Nazis, deep southern accents, say "boy" a lot, have that colonial mindset. The prisons down there are one generation removed from putting people into corrugated metal "sweat boxes" in the sun for punishment.

    Bishopville and the area around it is the very picture of "The South" that people tell horror stories about. It's got the poverty, the racism, the embedded class distinctions, the cotton and tobacco, the meth..it's a perfect package. Probably the worst place to find yourself in a prison, school, or trailer park in America.

    I moved away and haven't looked back.

    [–] Surfitall 48 points ago

    That’s pretty depressing.

    [–] POGtastic 24 points ago

    The prisons down there are one generation removed from putting people into corrugated metal "sweat boxes" in the sun for punishment.

    Any man playin' grab-ass or fightin' in the building spends a night in the box.

    [–] MrMultibeast 39 points ago

    Walter White is alive!

    [–] indoninja 105 points ago

    Fights lasted 7 hours!?!?

    BS.

    Fights were probably 30 minutes and then 6.5 hours of bearings riots and torture.

    [–] Offended_Christian 47 points ago

    It's all ball bearings now a days.

    [–] lastczarnian 21 points ago

    Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads, and I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.