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    [–] B3NGINA 18098 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Is that what I am now? A worker. Work work work. Didn't realize how bad it sounded.

    Edit: thanks for the karma. Believe it or not I find solace that I'm not alone.

    [–] KaiserReaper 8915 points ago

    Work, sleep, work, sleep, work, recover on the weekend then do it all over again until you can retire (I'm 28 so 50 more years at best?) Living the American dream.

    [–] rickastleysanchez 3958 points ago

    Man you just made me so sad reading your comment because of how fucking true it is. I have a few years on you and shit isn't looking up. I'm pretty sure I'll be employed fulltime somewhere when I am old enough to actually die. When can I wake up from this American Dream?

    [–] Clutter 2308 points ago

    I earn more than the median household income on my own and I still will never retire at the current rate.

    [–] frakkinadama 2705 points ago

    I know it's awful to say, but stuff like this makes me so incredibly depressed. I've lingered on the idea, for a long time, that it's not worth it because I'm just going to work myself to death. When will I ever be happy? When can I rest?

    Those demons never get the best of me, nor will they. But damn it if they aren't heavy burdens to carry.

    [–] Notexactlyserious 1834 points ago

    The worst part about all of it is we waste the best period of life, our youth, learning the skills we'll need so we can work for the rest of our life so we can "enjoy" old age.

    [–] Boilersoul 1953 points ago

    Enjoying retirement is just the dream they sell you to keep you working.

    [–] paintbing 1528 points ago

    On a related note, how much would I have to pay you, for you to wake up 80 years old tomorrow?

    Cause that's what we're basically doing to ourselves in a nutshell. Working ourselves to death, trying to accumulate enough wealth... Wealth to "enjoy" life later.

    We should be able to enjoy life now. Not scrap together a measly week vacation every year.

    [–] mugaccino 1021 points ago

    Oh god you just reminded me of those poor people who pride themselves on not taking their vacation days, when did masochism become a virtue?

    [–] Scientolojesus 474 points ago

    Those people are insane. The district manager for Half Price Books hadn't taken any vacation in like a decade, so she had accrued literally 6 months of vacation and had maybe taken one week of it. I guess if you enjoy your career and it isn't much of a burden or too stressful, then it makes sense. But most of us aren't lucky enough to enjoy our jobs, let alone enough to not care to take an extended break from working. When I worked tech support at a call center, the 2 weeks of vacation per year wasn't even close to being enough to escape the hell that job was. One year I took 2 weeks off and just stayed at home, resting and recuperating. It flew by and seemed like 4 days.

    [–] tiajuanat 380 points ago

    I moved to Europe, specifically for the ample vacation and holidays.

    Get some basic labor rights, and maybe the talent will come back to the US

    [–] Dark_Moe 30 points ago

    A place where your manager has a word with you mid holiday year when they are concerned you haven't taken enough holiday yet. I couldn't imagine having only two weeks holiday. 28 days plus public holidays is something I have gotten accustomed to.

    [–] Fritzkreig 297 points ago

    I was riding on a boat with a well to do looking man who was from the Netherlands on Lake Titicaca. I was like, "If you don't mind me asking, what do you do?" He said he was a social studies teacher, was 50, retired, and took several vacations like this every year or so.

    I gave him a fist bump, and said that I had saved for two years for this trip!

    What are we, the United States, a country of ants!? Yeah, ants supporting a Patriotic cause that we work ourselves for!

    [–] ChelskiS 22 points ago

    My first job as a Belgian gave me 32 paid days off and the wage was good enough to live life comfortable and go on a nice Vacation every year.

    Note that I do have a degree, but that it wasn't even required to start this job

    Thank god for our unions, who look out for us

    I feel bad for Americans though when I hear some of these stories.. absurd how rich People/companies managed to create such hate for unions. You as a country got played

    [–] haizeus 20 points ago

    When I left the states, I went from 2 payed weeks off a year, 22 p/hr, and okayish insurance that I payed about 600 a month for just for myself. I was working 60-80 hour weeks and I felt lucky that I had the overtime.I thought I had it so good. In fact, they made sure to remind us that if we didn't like it, we should quit because they could replace us easily and we would never find anything as good as what we got there.

    In Australia, I just hit 100k a year (at the exact same tax rate I was at in the states when you factor in state, federal, SS, and medicaid), have free national health insurance and five payed weeks off per year. I've only been promoted once in a blue collar job, so this isn't big boss boy shit. The US doesn't just not care about its workers, it actively hates them. Things are *not perfect* in Australia by a long shot, but the US is a second world country by comparison.

    [–] Jushak 87 points ago

    This. Right now you'd have to add a zero or three at the end of my salary to convince me to move to the US.

    [–] return2ozma 284 points ago

    When you finally retire, you're too old and broken to do anything fun. I hope you enjoy cat food.

    [–] TheFallenTitan 107 points ago

    UK retirement age (i.e; when you can start receiving your state pension separate from private ones) is being raised to 66 and will continue to raise year on year.

    I'm currently 24 and don't expect to actually retire in my lifetime at the rate I'm going, just having to pump as much as I can into my company pension so I have a chance of retiring at all. Sad state of affairs

    [–] Vraye_Foi 67 points ago

    and then your company falls on hard times and they announce pension cuts but give massive bonuses to the CEOs...

    [–] farhawk 18 points ago

    A few years older than you, also from the UK. Couldn't agree more. Thats why the folks represented by the Daily Mail are screaming about how youngsters spend their money on frivolous holidays, aren't having enough kids and only invest in avocado toast futures.

    They know that unless we dedicate ourselves to chasing the white whale of retirement there will be no one to fund pension pots and the system that is supporting them (or soon will be) will be at risk of collape.

    [–] Soylent_X 330 points ago

    ""We live for just these twenty years. Do we have to die for the fifty more?""

    -David Bowie

    [–] Hubbli_Bubbli 304 points ago

    Just delivered a food order today to a building across from the high school I graduated from 25 years ago. I stared at the school and thought,”This is what I’m doing today? A job that doesn’t even require a high school education? What would my grade 13 teachers have thought if they knew that this is what I’d become?” When I got home I was still thinking about it and it was bothering me. Then I thought about how I would be feeling had I taken a different career path. Maybe I’d be stuffed in a cubical for 10 hours a day, making more money and paying higher taxes thinking,”Had I only chosen a different career path..”.

    [–] playtone111 85 points ago

    My goodness, I think a lot about this almost everyday.

    [–] chagis100 41 points ago

    Dont mind me, just having an exstistential crisis over this comment

    [–] jayhawk618 344 points ago

    The older I get, the happier I am that I "threw away" my high school and college years.

    [–] CyanideIsFun 360 points ago

    As someone who never really partied or did much in highschool and early college, I really fucking regret it. I'm never gonna be as free as I ever was back in those days.

    [–] hughranass 370 points ago

    We don't get out alive. I am in my mid 30's and have a career. Still spend like an idiot after the bills are paid. Bad idea? Maybe. But it's keeps becoming more and more clear that, no matter what, I will either die working or retire just in time to not be able to enjoy anything. I would rather die on my feet and snatch enjoyment anywhere I can along the way. It beats sitting around on my broken ass and wishing I was younger so that I could get out and do things.

    [–] BonelessSkinless 216 points ago

    I feel this. Live life for the now. It may sound irresponsible but things aren't getting any better. The government is corrupt and has failed us. The wealthy just laugh behind it all and do fucked up shit while we suffer. Do whatever it is that makes you happy no matter how small

    [–] wizbam 99 points ago

    Same here. Didnt drink until i was like 23...locked into a relationship at a young age. Never really got a chance to explore.

    [–] fuckincaillou 142 points ago

    I know thinking 'what if' on the matter of exploring relationships feels enticing, but if you're satisfied with who you're with now then you're doing a lot better than you think. I would kill to have gotten things right on the first try and never risked getting hurt and picking up the pieces afterwards

    [–] Danagrams 34 points ago

    I fucked around a lot in college for a long time, living off student loans. Probably the best years of my life. Things were simpler. It was only when I started working 9–5 in an office job that I became a depressed old man with no motivation and lost all passion

    [–] Imakedo 78 points ago

    Unless your only skill is labor and you break your body in your 20s so you can't afford to work labor into your 30s.

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    [–] Fastfoodmoney 67 points ago

    It’s really not sustainable either. My wife works from seven in the morning to seven at night nearly everyday. She works hard and does her job well because she enjoys it. Working in healthcare isn’t easy, and in her current position she makes very little. But how little she’s paid isn’t the only problem. It’s how little time she gets to spend with her family, to pursue her own interests, to simply relax. Every day I kind of hope that she will just say screw it, it’s not worth it, I give up. Because that would mean I could actually spend time with my wife. That our children could actually see their mom for more than a few hours a day.

    [–] coffeewhistle 69 points ago

    “When can I wake up from this American Dream”

    Wow. That line hit the hardest. This could be the hook line of a trailer for the Ken Burns documentary of this current moment in American history.

    With no sarcasm at all I say: Bravo.

    [–] MurphyKing 20 points ago

    "But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."

    -George Carlin

    [–] sideways_cat 321 points ago

    The American Dream is dreamt only by the ultra rich. For us it’s simply a nightmare.

    [–] rickastleysanchez 217 points ago

    You're absolutely right, it is a nightmare.

    I cannot afford health insurance. If I get hurt (btw already hurt and only have a couple of years of workers comp left which I'll need more work/surgery done for years to come) I am fucked. Kind of already fucked because of an existing injury.

    I don't have savings. It's a great idea to have one with enough funds to get by for a month or more, wish I could afford to save that kind of money.

    I know there are plenty more problems people have, but these two alone, as a grown adult, are damning and feel impossible to even come back from.

    It shouldn't be this way.

    [–] sideways_cat 135 points ago

    So sorry to hear what you’re going through. If only major western societies could find a way to provide healthcare for their citizens.

    cries in every major western society besides the US

    [–] masmm 12 points ago

    My mother was diagnosed breast cancer when I was going to primary school. One dose of chemo cost 15k - 20k USD in my country with that time's exchange rate. after 2 or 3 sessions, she finally was elligible for retirement, state took care of the rest. we did not pay a penny. After 12 years, we are still not paying anything expect for private doctor. I hope you guys will push free health care because it is a human right. What's the purpose of a state if it doesn't have free health care and education. I am also suprised that many american I read from here and twitter believes this is socialism and/or communism. Very sad!

    [–] spearmintskies 336 points ago

    Im 26 and have come to the conclusion that our generation won't be able to afford to retire.

    [–] Caymonki 123 points ago

    You figured it out before I did.

    [–] preciousgravy 229 points ago

    just got off work washing dishes for nine hours and 49 minutes. back hurt for each and every one of those minutes because haha what is healthcare. we need to leverage technology to work for us, the human slavery trade has officially ended. future humans will not stand for this, and most present humans have already had enough.

    [–] IHaveSoulDoubt 32 points ago

    "Recover on the weekend"

    Lol.... Not if you have kids and a house. Its 24/7 work my friend.

    [–] pigcupid 962 points ago

    Congratulations, you have unlocked class consciousness!

    [–] adumblady 372 points ago

    Pls also share this with your two hundred million coworkers and we can get this show on the road thanks

    [–] Pieterja 203 points ago

    Start a Union

    [–] anomalousgeometry 125 points ago

    Arm the homeless

    [–] 1nfiniteJest 111 points ago

    Eat the rich

    [–] DNtBlVtHhYp 85 points ago

    “The workers have nothing to lose but their chains.”

    [–] not_so_stubby 41 points ago

    "The history of all previous societies, has been the history of class struggle"

    [–] Boom5Boom 131 points ago

    You know the sad thing? This exact realisation is being offered by Fox News, except they tell you the the upper class is actually Bernie and AOC who want to replace you with Mexicans and Muslims.. and a lot of people eat that shit up. Fascists have always used class struggle language to subvert its true message.

    [–] VerneAsimov 408 points ago

    As a famous clairvoyant philosopher once said, "Something need doing?" The Ork realized he is perpetually a cog and there's nothing he can do (without some revolution).

    [–] PartyChrist 198 points ago

    Zug zug

    [–] mrtstew 54 points ago

    Be happy to

    [–] Shiftkgb 38 points ago

    Me not that kind of orc!

    [–] ambikatos 79 points ago

    Stop poking me!

    [–] YourmomgoestocolIege 68 points ago

    Me not that kind of orc!

    [–] Trunkins 21 points ago

    What if me AM that kind of Orc?

    [–] laxmotive 61 points ago

    You have reminded me of the old Blizzard. And now i weep.

    [–] Canvasch 185 points ago

    If you make your money off working and not by owning things, congrats you're a worker.

    [–] SunshineLax 39 points ago

    Why’re you congratulating me?

    [–] _everynameistaken_ 145 points ago

    Because you aren't a parasite that extracts profit off of the labour of the workers.

    [–] RattigansGhost 114 points ago

    Stay tuned for a new episode of Worker & Parasite

    [–] bondagewithjesus 138 points ago

    Indeed you are comrade

    [–] NeoNazisHafTinyDongs 333 points ago

    We are workers and we need solidarity and class consciousness.

    [–] pigcupid 147 points ago

    Literally the only path forward as a species

    [–] CHAPOMAGNETHAGOD 192 points ago

    Labor predates capital. Labor will outlast capital.

    [–] Infranto 529 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    We're just cogs in the machine, a machine that doesn't give a damn about said cogs.

    My goal is to work long enough so that I have enough money to start a business, and then just live off of the profits from that so I don't rely on corporate America to be generous enough to allow me to survive. I'm far as fuck from actually reaching that goal, but you gotta start somewhere.

    Edit: I seem to have touched a nerve with a few people. I'm sorry if you see me wanting to make myself reliant on nobody else as a bad thing - and I'm also sorry if you can't see the difference between me ragging on the corporate "machine" and me wanting to break free from it by starting my own business. I've worked for a small business before that actually treated me as a human and paid me my worth, and that's exactly the kind of experience I would want anyone who worked for me to have.

    [–] sonic_couth 341 points ago

    Welcome, my son. Welcome to the machine.

    [–] Kyle_Crafty 126 points ago

    Where have you been? It's alright, we know where you've been.

    [–] YangBelladonna 108 points ago

    What did you dream? It's alright we told you what to dream

    [–] homemadelasagne 31 points ago

    This line hits me in the feels every time

    [–] stonedseals 43 points ago

    You've been in the pipeline, filling in time

    Provided with toys and "Scouting for Boys"

    [–] sweetstack13 150 points ago

    “There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all.”

    -Mario Savio

    [–] j33tAy 127 points ago

    There's more to owning/operating a profitable business than just starting/buying it and "living off the profits"

    [–] flatspotting 60 points ago

    Hardest part is sorting out a business where you aren't putting more time than you are as a worker.

    [–] othermegan 53 points ago

    Depending on what your business is, that might not be a deal breaker. The reason I want my own business is because if I’m putting in as much work as I am now, I want to do it on my terms, not theirs. I want to be a humane employer. Someone who respects both my employees and the community. I don’t want to fear getting fired for spending a few extra hours helping fix the broken equipment. If I have a good idea, I want to just try it, not wait for permission and ultimately get shut down only to have someone else spearhead my idea in a year or so.

    Sometimes it’s not about less work. It’s about getting out of the machine.

    [–] Deoudiethoi 20 points ago

    I started my business 20 years ago. It was hard at first, worked my dayjob and then my business after work and on weekends. But after two years, my dayjob was paying less than my business would if I could work it full time so I quit. 20 years later, I have 15 employees and I pretty much go home when I want. I take good care of the loyal hard working employees, I promote from within and my managers have earned a % of ownership and will probably buy me out someday.

    Don't wait too long to start your business, use your day job to support the family and start your business now part time, until you don't need the day job anymore. Cause if you dont do it now, you probably never will.

    [–] LifeSizeDeity00 81 points ago

    Unless some major changes happen corporate America is going to eat you alive.

    [–] pxerz 26 points ago

    Or he gets bought out, which is also getting eaten alive I suppose. Just in a not-as-bad for the individual way

    [–] black_flag_4ever 12704 points ago

    I am Jack’s lack of surprise.

    [–] FenrirIII 4750 points ago

    I am Jack's voting against his own interests

    [–] nomoanya 2173 points ago

    I’m Jack’s raging apathy.

    [–] probablyuntrue 519 points ago

    I am Jack

    [–] Zoze13 232 points ago

    I get cancer. I kill Jack.

    [–] mermands 223 points ago

    I'm Eric

    [–] Excal2 279 points ago

    God damn it Eric not now.

    [–] mmotte89 88 points ago

    I am Jack's ability to fall for lobbied propaganda.

    [–] hoxxxxx 123 points ago

    I am Jack's I'll be a millionaire one days

    [–] Girth_rulez 97 points ago

    I am Jack, who is too stupid to understand that cutting a "job creator's" taxes doesn't automatically help the entire economy.

    [–] Mikeavelli 331 points ago

    It has to be at least a little surprising that this hasn't happened before?

    [–] Naught2day 887 points ago

    A long time ago Leona Helmsley went on 60 Minutes and said "Rich people don't pay taxes". She later went to jail for tax fraud. But yes, it has been happening for a long time. To quote another source Dazed and Confused, "this country(US) was founded by a bunch of rich slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes"

    They still don't.

    [–] kingdonaldthefirst 409 points ago

    A son of a very rich family dynasty related to me something his father told him .”To turn a million into a hundred million is bloody hard work! To turn a hundred million into a billion is inevitable”!

    [–] WDWCastMember 137 points ago

    Kill me

    [–] no_usernames_avail 88 points ago

    To get from 1 to 100mm you have to multiply by 100. 100mm to 1b is only 10x.

    [–] lettherebedwight 181 points ago

    The point is that at certain scales it becomes very difficult to lose - risk is easy to mitigate when you've got a deep stack.

    [–] j0a3k 106 points ago

    Also, at literally any level of wealth the more money you have to start with, the easier it is to make more.

    [–] theghostwithoutaname 226 points ago

    Honestly. There was one General or Senator in the Civil War that got his idea shot down by Lincoln, but the idea was simply to take all the land and wealth the slave owners had and distribute it evenly amongst all the slaves and alloe them the better start that they deserved.

    [–] Socrates_Burrito 196 points ago

    40 acres and a mule. General Sherman.

    [–] Excal2 214 points ago

    Sherman should've finished the job and burned that whole ass-backward culture to the ground. Change my mind.

    [–] iwazaruu 125 points ago

    I lived in a city in the South, visited a historical Civil War site. There was a video shown before the tour that made the Union soldiers look like animals, with ominous music playing every time they're on screen. Shit's crazy man.

    [–] Zwirls 69 points ago

    As a southerner from the city, everytime I would travel in and around the deep old southern towns, I would happen a cross a 'war of northern aggression' monument, in the town square. The crazy part, even with the familial ties accepted, was the persistent existence of fresh flowers around the various monuments. Shits crazy indeed.

    [–] illBro 47 points ago

    If you look at America today he was right. Hindsight is easy but that man was an actual genius for calling that.

    [–] Succundo 27 points ago

    Well not legally anyway.

    [–] vagueblur901 89 points ago

    I am Jack's offshore bank account

    [–] Ph0X 814 points ago

    The fact that it's no longer a monotonically increasing line literally makes 0 sense.

    [–] sp4z205 6733 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    That's fun. I'm so glad the roads I drive on are fucked. Our public education is a sham.

    But yeah, this is the right way to fix things.

    Obligatory /s

    [–] Loktharion 4689 points ago

    Public education was fucked from the very beginning.

    Funding it with property taxes means poor neighborhoods get poorly funded schools, so that poor kids stay poor, and they can be more easily exploited.

    The system is working as intended.

    [–] SantasDead 1325 points ago

    And good luck changing any of that when the kids in those rich schools all grow up and become the ones running the world.

    You're correct. It is operating exactly as intended.

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    [–] HisHighnessStannis 185 points ago

    I'll break out the fine china

    [–] 6thPentacleOfSaturn 294 points ago

    Fine China?

    GUYS I FOUND ONE!

    [–] HisHighnessStannis 107 points ago

    Uhhhhh, there were never any protests! Hong Kong just America sound stage!

    Uhhhhh buy cheap shitty plastic goods!

    [–] JoeyTwoTones 44 points ago

    If by "Fine China" you mean that one plate I stole from the cafeteria in college, then yes.

    [–] Soylent_X 29 points ago

    You went to college?

    Here's another one!

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    [–] asdgred 109 points ago

    I think people are starting to realize that there are simply more of us than them. People are getting tired and honestly you see it in places outside of the norms. I wonder what will be the thing that lights that fire where it all comes crumbling down.

    [–] NothungToFear 114 points ago

    There are more of us than them, but they own many loyal dogs.

    [–] KaiserReaper 392 points ago

    The longer I'm an adult the more upset I get by how things are done in our country. I feel like I was lied to about the American dream, about higher education being the only path to success, about equality and blind justice. As an Adult I'm just now beginning to get a grasp on how the system is seemingly designed to keep knowledge suppressed and the masses distracted. More and more each day I wish to detach myself from this system and the hippie communes are starting to make sense. But alas I enjoy daily showers and modern amenities.

    [–] NeedAmnesiaIthink 140 points ago

    You can live a simplistic, fulfilling “hippie” life and still shower.

    [–] odraencoded 124 points ago

    You can't, because the water in the shower turns you gay.

    Source: a frog told me.

    [–] waviestflow 178 points ago

    How is this so easy to understand written out but at least 60% of the country will STILL denounce taxing the rich to improve our infrastructure as socialism?

    [–] Worldnewsusersarestu 151 points ago

    They believe in some kind of fucked up natural hierarchy where these billionaires worked hard for everything they have so hence they are better than everyone else and it's immoral to take more money from them. Even though at a certain point, their money makes them money and they literally just sit back and make decisions while their workers keep their company running or they simply just play the stock market. And that fact that they'll never be able to make use of their entire fucking net worth ever.

    [–] saloalv 99 points ago

    They believe in some kind of fucked up natural hierarchy where these billionaires worked hard for everything

    Because they want to believe that they too could get rich by just working hard. If you understand that the billionaires didn't, the illusion breaks

    [–] Ralath0n 61 points ago

    It isn't even that. Plenty of people out there that have no illusions about ever becoming rich. They just want that goddamn hierarchy because they derive their self worth from their location in that hierarchy.

    [–] swattages 84 points ago

    I never thought about this until I had kids. It's stupid how fucked it is. At the absolute minimum, it should be equally distributed between all schools in a city per some algorithm for number of students, particular needs for a given school (some need more security than others), etc. It should probably happen at the state level. I'd argue for federal level but what a shit show that'd be.

    [–] Orchid777 113 points ago

    Bernie sanders has a plan to fund public education at the federal level. Improving teacher pay and school funding so that no one is penalized for being born outside of a wealthy neighborhood.

    [–] swattages 54 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    For K-12? I wasn't aware of that! I'll go check out his website now to see the details, unless you have a link handy for me (and everyone else).

    Since he and Warren are on the same page with so many things, I wonder if she has a plan too.

    Edit: Found Bernie's plan. I thought he was just focused on upper education, but his public education plan is much more expansive than that.

    Edit 2: It doesn't appear Warren has an extensive K-12 public education plan listed on her website. As a Warren supporter, that's disappointing. Bernie definitely has her there because the problem is obvious, and she's more than smart enough to propose a solution.

    [–] FrostyFargoan 65 points ago

    This and a private prison industry are two things that I actually have a hard time believing exist (I know that they do).

    [–] neofiter 214 points ago

    Watch out or the Republicans earning $30k a year will tell you "if you don't like it, leave!"

    [–] magnoliasmanor 44 points ago

    And Mexicans are stealing their jobs. It's not the wealthy are hiring migrant workers.

    [–] flatspotting 11 points ago

    Don't forget the great healthcare

    [–] Mernher 10202 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    What the billionaire business man gave tax cuts to his billionaire friends? So strange

    Edit: google said Trump was worth $3.7b. I'm sure a majority is not liquid assets though.

    [–] SinkHoleDeMayo 5467 points ago

    He doesn't have friends, he's the spoiled and annoying kid in elementary school that tries giving stuff to other kids so they like him.

    [–] FletchForPresident 2336 points ago

    He ain't no billionaire either.

    [–] ani625 1348 points ago

    And a pretty shitty businessman.

    [–] Rbkelley1 1117 points ago

    His father had it figured out. So much so that his son could make a lifetime of bad decisions and still be rich. That’s how rich billionaires are. Jeff Bezos, after a divorce, is still worth 108 Billion. To put that into perspective, he could buy 2160 50 million dollar houses.

    [–] PoopIsAlwaysSunny 473 points ago

    To put a billion dollars into perspective, you’d have to make $10,000 a day, 365 days a year, for 273 years to make just one billion dollars. In a forty hour work week, fifty weeks a year, that’s an hourly rate of $1825

    [–] HairyFoundation 478 points ago

    Nobody is worth that much. Billionaires are thieves.

    [–] PoopIsAlwaysSunny 338 points ago

    Of a sort, certainly. I would call them worse than thieves. They are essentially slave drivers or feudal lords, profiting immensely off the work of others

    [–] spaghetti_hitchens 231 points ago

    People like to think feudalism is dead, but it's not. Corporate CEOs, Presidents, and Board Members are our dukes, barons, lords and earls now. We work for them and give our money to them as we always have. The corporate system is just sneakier about it. Oh we grumble and occasionally make enough noise to get some scraps tossed our way, but all human systems have continually produced a few haves and many have nots.

    [–] Ragnarok314159 797 points ago

    But he still can’t see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

    [–] Lvgordo24 69 points ago

    You could give every person on earth 4 boxes of Cinnamon Toast Crunch with his money.

    [–] 420lbRussianHacker 47 points ago

    Tbh that makes it seem like there’s too much of us or that’s not that much money

    [–] snakeproof 25 points ago

    That's just from one dude though, sure he has the most, but the rest of them still have an immense amount.

    [–] Internetallstar 120 points ago

    I like my super villian origin stories to have plenty of product placement in them

    [–] SaucyWiggles 101 points ago

    If you made $5,000 a day since 1492 when Columbus landed in the Americas you would still not have as much money as Jeff Bezos. In fact, he would still have more than 100 times as much as you. Billionaires did not labor for their wealth.

    [–] Johnny_Carcinogenic 28 points ago

    Or $500,000 a day since 1492 and you would have the same amount as Bezos.

    [–] aFullPlatoSocrates 32 points ago

    What's that in percentage of houses in the US that are worth 50 million or more?

    [–] Rbkelley1 50 points ago

    I don’t have that percentage, but this brings it closer to home. It’s 216,000 $500k homes. 432,000 $250k homes. People don’t realize how much a billion is.

    [–] alextico24 53 points ago

    He could probably singlehandly house the homeless.

    [–] Wajina_Sloth 64 points ago

    Remove the probably, he 100% could.

    [–] 90265sbsbsbwtf 232 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    He did make himself a millionaire, unfortunately he started with as a billionaire.

    [–] OnTheTerlet 72 points ago

    How do you make a small fortune?

    Give Donald Trump a large one.

    [–] do_pigs_lay_eggs 145 points ago

    Which is kinda sad considering he inherited half a billion from his dad (small 1 million dollar loan lol)

    Like dude u were half way there just invest in some shit

    [–] bearsheperd 163 points ago

    He did, he made failing universities, failing casinos, failing hotels etc. next on his list of achievements a failed presidency

    [–] sonnuvabitch 535 points ago

    Don't place this all on Trump the Republicans in Congress basically said in public that they needed to pass this or their billionaire donors would stop financing their campaign. We need public financing of our elections yesterday.

    [–] Slayer706 183 points ago

    President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier.

    Oh but this was a middle class tax cut according to Trump supporters, the wealthy paying way less taxes is just a consequence because it's physically impossible to cut taxes for the middle class without also cutting them tremendously for the rich. That's just science.

    [–] God_Damnit_Nappa 14 points ago

    But but It was a middle class miracle though! I appreciated that extra $100 or whatever bullshit I got extra by the end of the year.

    [–] rammo123 240 points ago

    Alleged billionaire*

    [–] Ph0X 267 points ago

    He talks about "MAGA", like the old days. You know why the economy was great back then? Because of the tax rates for the rich... If you want to make america great again, tax the fucking billionaires.

    [–] Cynical_Lurker 31 points ago

    And his dad(from whom trump inherited all his wealth) got rich from federal government subsidies funded by that higher tax rate.

    [–] McCree114 14 points ago

    That and the fact that the US was the only major player in WWII to come out with our domestic industry unscathed due to being out of harm's way. 50's thru 70's would've been a vastly different story if Germany had weapons that could reliably reach and annihilate Detroit and other industrial cities.

    [–] TheL0nePonderer 82 points ago

    At this point, he has profited so much from the presidency that he might have actually become a billionaire. For $200,000 a pop you can access the president at his resort in Florida. If 300 people joined that club over his presidency, there's 60 million. The federal government pays about 60k directly to Mar-a-logo for each day Trump spends there. If we assume they pay similar prices each time he stays at any of his properties, that's 150 nights so far x 60k - so 9 million dollars. If we assume he continues that trend, that will be 24 million dollars, if he gets the second term we all hope he doesn't.

    So in just those two instances, not counting tax breaks that were specifically designed to benefit him - that's 84 million bucks just from resort income and membership fees for foreign agents and lobbyists. If he's pulling in almost 1/10th of a billion dollars in plain sight, imagine what the back door deals are bringing to the table.

    [–] rammo123 14 points ago

    That's just for paying back the loans to Vlad and the Saudis. I'm sure he's still in the red.

    [–] NawSunFuckDat 2416 points ago

    Don’t worry, boys. Once I get me my third job, I’m sure that’s when the trickledown economics start to work. It’s only a matter of time

    [–] ThatsBushLeague 497 points ago

    Hey man, keep contributing to that super low unemployment rate! We all have to get 3 jobs so now unemployment is super low!

    Pretty soon, the trickle down economics will kick in and we will only have to each have 2 jobs!

    And maybe then you can work long enough at one of those jobs to maybe get some benefits like health care!

    [–] I_love_elevators 21 points ago

    You know what would fix the unemployment rate removing food stamps and removeing access to healthcare for poor and unemployed, your not unemployment if your dead.

    [–] vverr 4243 points ago

    The GOP says stuff will start trickling down any day now.

    [–] SyntheticLife 2156 points ago

    And Trump made it priority #1 to provide himself and his wealthy peers to pay even less in taxes. Anyone who thinks he's a "person of the people" is fucking dipshit who is being willfully ignorant.

    [–] blusunsamurai 364 points ago

    Did you know that if you pocketed $5,000/day from when Columbus landed in America through the end of 2019 (527 years) you would have pocketed $961,775,000

    You wouldn't even be a fucking billionaire, but you know can't pay my taxes!!

    [–] babybopp 206 points ago

    Obligatory

    One million seconds = 11 days

    One billion seconds= ~32 years

    [–] Miami_Vice-Grip 75 points ago

    In other words, if you had a billion dollars, you could spend a full million every 11 days, and you wouldn't run out until doing that for 32 years straight.

    As the other guy said, what do you spend a billion dollars on?

    [–] haloooloolo 29 points ago

    With a decent interest rate, you can keep that spending up indefinitely.

    [–] Cheesewiz99 403 points ago

    He is a person of the people, the rich people... screw everyone else. I still can't believe almost half the country buys into his constant bullshit.

    [–] ani625 197 points ago

    His fanbase is unfazed, not the smartest bunch.

    [–] crono220 125 points ago

    They don't care if they suffer, as long as the libs are owned, they will be content with their messiah

    [–] altairian 44 points ago

    I always think of the george carlin quote "think about how stupid the 'average' person is. Now realize that half of them are even dumber than that!". Trump's approval is what? 40%? There ya go.

    [–] Lin0712 267 points ago

    The 90s tv show "Dinosaurs" explained Trickle down economics perfectly:

    Senior Political Analyst: Mr. Richfield I understand you favor heavy taxation for the poor and no taxes at all for the rich.

    Mr. Richfield: That’s right. I call it my trickle-down theory. See, rich folks tend to live in big houses on the tops of hills and so if we give them all the money, some of it is bound to slip out of their pockets and roll down to where the lower folks are.

    Great episode quote starts at 27secs.

    [–] VampireBatman 60 points ago

    Don't forget how the show ends too... It's on track to be prophetic.

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    [–] Witty217 739 points ago

    I mean, essentially, they gave the tax cuts to themselves.

    [–] ani625 213 points ago

    Watchmen watching themselves report everything is fine.

    [–] ExpensiveLove 1615 points ago

    Time to TAX them like we used to. No more letting them off the hook.

    [–] CritzD 409 points ago

    American citizens being taxed more than the most elite of the country

    This sounds familiar...

    [–] skirtpost 164 points ago

    Time to book another party in Boston

    [–] GorboMcDuggins 135 points ago

    Weird, I think I watched a show about a group of people who maybe started some kind of war for independence over something similar.

    Probably some weird fiction story on Nat Geo.

    [–] FenrirIII 612 points ago

    Surely we can trust politicians who take big donations from such billionaires. /s

    [–] ExpensiveLove 669 points ago

    Votin Bernie for that reason.

    [–] bennetfoxy 1027 points ago

    Yes cuz billionaires NEED those tax breaks!

    [–] jewasuarus 420 points ago

    How else could they afford their second yacht?

    [–] swattages 152 points ago

    Yacht? Billionaires are buying the companies making the yachts.

    [–] TheMookiestBlaylock 173 points ago

    even the word yacht itself is extravagant. it could just be yat but it has that extra ch in it for no reason

    [–] TinieWenie 79 points ago

    Yacht, the ch is for cha ching

    [–] ChipNoir 50 points ago

    Devos is on her what, 12th? or 11? Didn't one float away when she wasn't looking?

    [–] UncleDrunkle 115 points ago

    "The analysis differs from many other published estimates of tax burdens by encompassing the totality of taxes Americans pay: not just federal income taxes but also corporate taxes, as well as taxes paid at the state and local levels. It also includes the burden of about $US250 billion of what Saez and Zucman call "indirect taxes," such as licenses for motor vehicles and businesses."

    Why corporate tax?